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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: Sinchets on March 01, 2009, 09:59:07 AM
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Narcissus cantabricus in the bulb frame.
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Narcissus alpestris ms842 in flower.I got one bulb from Mike Salmon about 14 years ago and it is now up to three.
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Narcissus alpestris ms842 in flower.I got one bulb from Mike Salmon about 14 years ago and it is now up to three.
This is really one of the most beautiful trumpets - unfortunately the narcissus fly admires it just as I do.
Gerd
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Narcissus alpestris ms842 in flower.I got one bulb from Mike Salmon about 14 years ago and it is now up to three.
You're a patient man Tony - but it's a wonderful flower !!! :o
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Tony, have you ever try to increase any buld by splitting it in half? maybe is it too risky?
I would like to ask if any body could explain and illustrate this method, I am not sure how to plant the bulb after cut it.
Thank you in advance.
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Luc you always hope you have another year.
Rafa
no I have never tried cutting one up.I did give another species to a person who does twinscaling which I understand works on narcissus quite well. I have flowering size bulbs of other clones of alpestris and these set seed and I have lots of seedlings coming on. I am thinking of trying it with hyacinthus this year by scooping out the basal plate,I have found instructions on the web.A bit risky when its my only bulb.
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Rafa, to cut a bulb but not to go so far as to twin-scale it, I would suggest cutting the bulb in four, not half. Then plant, not so deep as for a whole bulb, so the pieces are in warmer level of soil in the pot..... this should be less of a a problem for you in Spain! Cut just after the bulb has gone dormant.
Good luck!
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Rafa,
My Narcissus alpestris was affected by a larva of the greater narcissus fly.
There was only a third of the bulb left. I found the rest at repotting time in summer. I dusted the remaining rest with sulphur and obtained a good plant in the next year although no flowers.
So it seems Maggi's method will work fine. But don't forget to add some kind of fungicide.
Gerd
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Thank you very much for the information, it could be very useful as Gerd comment when you have a problem with any species you haven't too much bulbs, or if you want increase it but you haven't seeds.
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Brian - clutter away, we want to see your babies.
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I ordered alpestris from a supplier a couple of years ago. The bulb flowered yellow. To be fair, they offered to replace it, but I forgot at the appropriate time. :-[
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Anthony
some of them are yellow and these occur amongst the white ones in small numbers.
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Anthony
some of them are yellow and these occur amongst the white ones in small numbers.
It was the wrong plant totally. The flower was 90o from the stem so was just a yellow daffodil.
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Anthony
some of them are yellow and these occur amongst the white ones in small numbers.
It was the wrong plant totally. The flower was 90o from the stem so was just a yellow daffodil.
What a nuisance.I will send you some seedlings or possibly an off set in the summer.
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I should have added when posting the yellow alpestris that at Cerler there are thousands of plants which are yellow. In other locations they are white with an odd cream/yellow mixed in.
After my visit I corresponded with Dr.Norman who had written an article in the AGS journal on the question of whether they were alpestris or as had been decided,naturally (sorry for the sarcasm) a new species. We concluded they were in fact just a colour variant of alpestris.
I have raised some from seed and they are all the same.I will post pictures when they flower in a few weeks.
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Anthony
some of them are yellow and these occur amongst the white ones in small numbers.
It was the wrong plant totally. The flower was 90o from the stem so was just a yellow daffodil.
What a nuisance.I will send you some seedlings or possibly an off set in the summer.
That's very kind Tony. I like the demure attitude this plant has. I have moschatus, but some(?) of the bulbs seem to be virused. I'm going to try to get seed before I burn them. :(
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I'm trying a few Narcissus species for the first time this year and quite a few of them are in bud now. Here are a couple which were open enough to picture Narcissus jonquilla var. henriquesii and N. assoanus. Also pictured is a pot of N. 'Little Gem'.
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David your assoanus could be 'Mite'
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Pass! It came from Rob Potterton as N. assoanus. Having Googled N. assoanus mine looks nothing like it!!
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I agree with Mark David, your N. assoanus is quite different from the true species ;
Here in the Gard, with Iris lutescens
(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/84/35/03/img_5711.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=446&u=11843503)
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I. lutescens in flower in February!?
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No Mark, pic is from last year, it was just to show N. assoanus in the wild, but they will be in flower in 1 or 2 weeks in the south of France, then I'll post some pictures with N. dubius in the same place.
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Very beautiful Fred very familiar sight to me. Are they currently in bloom in France?
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No Mark, pic is from last year, it was just to show N. assoanus in the wild, but they will be in flower in 1 or 2 weeks in the south of France, then I'll post some pictures with N. dubius in the same place.
Yes, p l e a s e - with Narcissus dubius!
Gerd
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No Rafa, same as for Iris, still have to wait 1 or 2 weeks !
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Most beautiful Narcissus/Iris in the wild. Nothing can beat that. :D
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Fred - really lovely. Like Gerd, I'm looking forward to seeing N. dubius in the wild
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Just ask and make a wish ;D
With 10 days early, and to help you to wait until the new ones, somes 2008 pics of Narcissus dubius
(http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/11/84/35/03/img_5723.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=447&u=11843503) (http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/84/35/03/img_5610.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=448&u=11843503)
I hope to send better ones this year.
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I love these N. dubius..... we really do need to find a way to have the scent with the pictures :D
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Fred - beautiful! Many thanks for posting
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Fred - beautiful! Many thanks for posting
Thank you Fred! If this will not be immodestly - please let some pics from 2009 follow - this species is very interesting!
Gerd
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Lovely Narcissus spp. everyone! :D
It's always a great treat to see non-native plants in their natural habitats, and also so well grown in captivity. Daffs, for many reasons, are not "big" in this country and the true species are even less well known. I will continue in my endeavors to build up a small collection of species thanks, in large part, to your continued inspiration.
Strangely, the species that does the best for me in my warm climate is N. viridiflorus - it obviously realises that I enjoy the strange and patently whacko in addition to the common and just plain pretty! Does anyone have a picture of this species in the wild?
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Here are a few pics from the species in southern Spain - the surroundings of
the few remaining wild growing N. viridiflorus sometimes is rather disappointing.
If you can grow viridiflorus the other autumn flowering daffs from southern Spain/North Africa might do well also. They are all from lower elevations and experience a lot of heat and drought.
Gerd
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Spring arrived for one day - according the weather report tomorrow it will rain again
Here are some daffodils
1. Narcissus asturiensis
2. Narcissus cantabricus from a region near Madrid - unusual form - tinged a
little bit ivory (not visible in the pic)- a gift from a nice formist
3. same species from Ronda - Andalucia
4. Narcissus hedraeanthus - white form from the Sierra Morena
Gerd
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Thank's gerd for N. viridiflorus in the wild !
I've never seen the white form of N. hedraeanthus : very pretty !
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I don't know N. dubius at all, but I'm in no doubt that it is an exquisite plant. Especially it is lovely Fred, in the wild as photographed. Thanks for the introduction.
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One from Harlow - pictured back home.
Narcissus jacetanus. 3rd generation from Mike Salmon seed. One of my favourite narcissus.
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I understand now that I only know a very few species in this great genus !
One more new for me, thank's Tony.
Does someone know if a revision of the genus is in preparation somewhere in the galaxy ??
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I believe there is a paper by B. J. M. Zonneveld : The systematic value of nuclear DNA content for all species of Narcissus L. (Amaryllidaceae)
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Thank's Maggy,
and,.... something readable ?? ;D
a monograph !
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and,.... something readable ?? ;D
a monograph !
Fred - the only monograph I know is Narcissus: A Guide To Wild Daffodils by John W Blanchard. This was published by the Alpine Garden Society in 1990. I'm not aware of anything more recent.
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Pity :'(
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It's still available Fred - I saw it on the book stall at the AGS show in Harlow last Saturday..
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Thank's Luc, I'll try to get it !
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I don't know N. dubius at all, but I'm in no doubt that it is an exquisite plant. Especially it is lovely Fred, in the wild as photographed. Thanks for the introduction.
I have a couple of bulbs of Narcissus dubius in a pot, but only three leaves this year, which is one more leaf than last year. Hopefully I am now doing something right and it will eventually flower. It's a lovely wee species. Thanks for posting the pics Fred. 8)
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Anthony - I'm planning to get a bulb or two of N. dubius this year so I've trying to find out something about it. According to John Blanchard, it only flowers after a thorough baking during the summer. So, I'm planning to treat it as I do Sternbergia. How do you grow it?
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and,.... something readable ?? ;D
a monograph !
Fred - the only monograph I know is Narcissus: A Guide To Wild Daffodils by John W Blanchard. This was published by the Alpine Garden Society in 1990. I'm not aware of anything more recent.
This is a super book which has lots of good information and some excellent photographs. Blanchard was clearly sceptical about the numerous new species being named by Spanish botanists at the time it was written and with the splitters having been hard at work since it is not really adequate now as a reference book.
Gerry,I can scan the page for you if you would like it.
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Gerry, I should have seeds of N. dubius and I think some bulblets, so if you can wait untill summer, just remind me ;D
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Anthony - I'm planning to get a bulb or two of N. dubius this year so I've trying to find out something about it. According to John Blanchard, it only flowers after a thorough baking during the summer. So, I'm planning to treat it as I do Sternbergia. How do you grow it?
I grow it like my sternbergias in the greenhouse, but reckon last summer I'd have needed to put them in the oven to bake them. ::)
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Gerry,I can scan the page for you if you would like it.
Tony - Many thanks for the offer. I'm sorry, but I don't know to which page you are referring.
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Gerry, I should have seeds of N. dubius and I think some bulblets, so if you can wait untill summer, just remind me ;D
Fred - many thanks for the offer. I'm certainly interested in the bulblets (I'm getting too old to start from seed!).
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Narcissus fernandesii
N. jonquilla var. henriquesii (apologies for poor focus)
henriquesii (left) & fernandesii (right)
Although they are sometimes sunk together the differences are striking , at least in these forms from Brian Duncan under my growing conditions. Relative to fernandesii, jonquilla var. henriquesii is:
Earlier by 1-2 weeks
Taller (20+ cm v. 15 cm)
More slender in leaf & stipe
Smaller & fewer florets (1-2 v. 3-5)
Non-overlapping tepals
(Slightly) shorter corona
Scent of each has a musky undertone, indistinguishable to me (& not entirely pleasant at close quarters!).
Both are new to me and I like them very much.
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Gerry,I can scan the page for you if you would like it.
Tony - Many thanks for the offer. I'm sorry, but I don't know to which page you are referring.
Gerry the page in the narcissus book relating to Narcissus dubius
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Gerry,I can scan the page for you if you would like it.
Tony - Many thanks for the offer. I'm sorry, but I don't know to which page you are referring.
Gerry the page in the narcissus book relating to Narcissus dubius
Tony - many thanks but I own Blanchard's book. And I agree with you that it is very good, even if slightly dated.
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Here's one that must qualify for the longest label ever! Now, have I got this right? Narcissus romieuxii ssp mesatlanticus x bulbocodium forma 'Anne' from, and you guessed right-Anne Wright, and a pretty little thing.
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Nice one David - Have you not thought of renaming it into Narcissus "Anne" - would save you a lot of work writing labels... ::)
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That's exactly what I have written on the label Luc but decided to give it it's full title here in case the shortened version prompted lots of Forumists to advise me 'Oh no it isn't, this is what it is...........................................................' ;D
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Actually, you missed a bit! It's Narcissus romieuxii var mesatlanticus x N. bulbocodium forma filifolius 'Tockwith Anne' (the cultivar name Anne was already taken, so the raiser put in the extra bit). Hopeless trying to fit it on a 4" label. :-X
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Anne,
Are hybrids between bulbocodium and romieuxi daffodils infertile?
This was stated by Michael Salmon, if I remember right.
I hope you know it because of your breeding activities with N. romieuxii var. x N. bulbocodium forma .....
Gerd
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And as you say David Anne is a pretty little thing. So is 'Tockwith Anne' :D
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Sounds good to me !! ;D
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Narcissus 'Tockwith Anne' it shall be.
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Tockwith Anne sets seeds, but I've never sown them. I've sent them to the exchanges. As for the compliments - I am little, but the rest is open to question! Very small avatars can be a jolly good thing.
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Thank you, Anne. This seems to indicate that the cross is fertile. Perhaps
there is a receiver of your seeds who can tell something about germination? ::)
Gerd
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Can some one help with the ID of this species.
It is another victim of the Black birds that enjoy throwing out the labels.
It was sown a few years ago and first time in flower.
[No fingerprints available ;)]
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One from the greenhouse and one from the garden today.
From the greenhouse Narcissus x incurvicervicus, another from the Anne Wright 'stable' and another pretty little thing. The one from the garden is Narcissus 'Topolino'
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Topolino looks quite nice David !
How tall is it ?
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about 20cm. Luc
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Think I'll add it to my (much too long) wants list... :D
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I have 4 Narcissus 'Jim Lad' in flower. Lovely wee thing. Thanks Anne.
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Oron,
look's like a form of N. bulbocodium ??
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Oron - I'm inclined to agree with Fred, but which form is anyone's guess. The fact that the style doesn't seem to be exserted ought to be a clue?
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Can some one help with the ID of this species.
It is another victim of the Black birds that enjoy throwing out the labels.
It was sown a few years ago and first time in flower.
Oron I was just writing this when Fred beat me to it but I would agree with Narcissus bulbocodium as well.
Difficult to put a supsp. on it but subsp. conspicuus is a possibility.
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Lots of narcissus opening now - first a watieri x rupicola marvieri cross (flowers about 1.75cm across), then N. hispanicus 'Patrick Synge', which I struggle to keep going. Finally a tiny N bulbocodium nivalis Briganza form from Brian Duncan - the flowers are only 1cm across maximum.
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Narcissus marvieri or maybe rupicola marvieri.
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I can smell it from here - mmm.
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Lots of narcissus opening now - first a watieri x rupicola marvieri cross (flowers about 1.75cm across), then N. hispanicus 'Patrick Synge', which I struggle to keep going. Finally a tiny N bulbocodium nivalis Briganza form from Brian Duncan - the flowers are only 1cm across maximum.
Great selection Anne particularly like the pleated flowers of the bulbicodium 8)
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Can some one help with the ID of this species.
It is another victim of the Black birds that enjoy throwing out the labels.
It was sown a few years ago and first time in flower.
Oron I was just writing this when Fred beat me to it but I would agree with Narcissus bulbocodium as well.
Difficult to put a supsp. on it but subsp. conspicuus is a possibility.
Ian, Gerry and Fred, Thank you for the ID.
oron
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Lots of narcissus opening now - first a watieri x rupicola marvieri cross (flowers about 1.75cm across), then N. hispanicus 'Patrick Synge', which I struggle to keep going. Finally a tiny N bulbocodium nivalis Briganza form from Brian Duncan -
Anne,
Nice N. watieri x N. rupicola marvieri seedling. I do not have the latter form of rupicola but I have made ths the cross with straight rupicola. Do you find they are mostly 'lookalikes' in an intermediate creamy/lemon colour, which many find most attractive.
Incidentally the little N. bulbo. nivalis seedling hails from BRAGANCA, there is a squiggle (someone will know the correct name for it) under the c that I think makes it sound a bit like like 'Braganza'. In labelling the z was probably my phonetic spelling mistake and I suspect you have substituted i for a. See map of North Portugal. I think it is best to put such names, which simply indicate origin, in brackets - to avoid possible confusion with named and registered clones.
If Ian reads this I can now say that crosses between N. asturiensis and N. cyclamineus X the white trumpets 'Cndlepower' and 'Camborne' result in about 50 % each of Yellow and White perianths, some are bicolours but few if any are intermediate in colour like in the Apodanthe cross mentioned above.
Brian
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Narcissus marvieri or maybe rupicola marvieri.
How does N. rupicola marvieri differ from straight N. rupicola? In this picture it seems to have a deeper more bowl shaped corona and is deeper yellow.?
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I can't download that pic Brian.
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The daffs are coming - slowly, slowly here
1. Narcissus cantabricus from Madrid - maybe the most northern occurence
- a gift from Rafa
2. the same plant
3.+ 4. Narcissus x susannae (after x munozii-garmandiae the second name,
there is also a newer one)
Gerd
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Such beauty is always worth the wait and these are very beautiful indeed 8)
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How does N. mavieri differ from N. rupicola? Blanchard says N. marvieri is supposed to be larger all over with green leaves and deeper colur flowers and then goes on to say that he has plants with more glaucous leaves, he has seen larger and deeper flowered N. rupicola..so it seems they overlap in appearence. These were from Buried Treasure I think so I would expect them to be correctly named.
Narcissus romieuxxii rifanus? grown from AGS seed. This seems one of the few Narcissus I can keep, which is nice but I'd like to grow some of the others successfully.
Narcissus watieri. This was a nice suprise. I bought one in flower 30 years ago and since got seed, bought bulbs, never another flower and all quickly died. This one is form seed! AGS seed to boot!!
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Lovely Narcissus Gerd and Mark. I have to say that after my own meagre attempts with Narcissus this year I'm totally hooked.
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Anne,
Nice N. watieri x N. rupicola marvieri seedling. I do not have the latter form of rupicola but I have made ths the cross with straight rupicola. Do you find they are mostly 'lookalikes' in an intermediate creamy/lemon colour, which many find most attractive.
Incidentally the little N. bulbo. nivalis seedling hails from BRAGANCA, there is a squiggle (someone will know the correct name for it) under the c that I think makes it sound a bit like like 'Braganza'. In labelling the z was probably my phonetic spelling mistake and I suspect you have substituted i for a. See map of North Portugal. I think it is best to put such names, which simply indicate origin, in brackets - to avoid possible confusion with named and registered clones.
If Ian reads this I can now say that crosses between N. asturiensis and N. cyclamineus X the white trumpets 'Cndlepower' and 'Camborne' result in about 50 % each of Yellow and White perianths, some are bicolours but few if any are intermediate in colour like in the Apodanthe cross mentioned above.
Brian
Noted, Brian! Yes the wat x rup hybrids are all pretty similar. The marvieri I had, correct or not, were slightly larger than rupicola and the corona wider and flatter. I can't open the luteolentus photo either, but I do have your plant in flower now. I also have one from Buried Treasure which looks completely different. I'll try and get photos tomorrow.
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Here is Narcissus cantabricus from Rafa. I think it is the purest, perfect little white narcissus I have ever seen. I love it. Another wee gem is Narcissus 'Jim Lad', a name I have often used for our son James.
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Two good 'uns there, Anthony.
The cantabricus is perfectly formed and who could believe that pristine crystalline white?
'Jim Lad' is so cute ..... Anne, you are a fine "Mum" ;D
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I'm glad to see the good result of these N. cantabricus.
Tony!!, some pictures from yesterday afternoon in Vitoria 8) in 100 meters far they were N. jacetanus, but absolutely covered by snow... :-\
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Rafa,
pictures look a bit sad to me. All the hanging flower heads.
I hope the snow will melt tomorrow.
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Oh dear, the narcissus don't look too happy with the weather, but look, an Erythronium !! Wild narcissus AND erythronium, wait till Ian sees this!! 8)
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Note: I forgot to say it is Narcissus pallidiflorus-
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What a beautiful spot Rafa. 8)
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Rafa you always come up with amazing "wild" shots for us, of so many flowers all in one place. Perhaps you could now go and live with irises?
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Magnificent Rafa. You braved some miserable weather, thanks!
Here is a new seedling of cultivation. Seed from Graham Fleming at Keira Bulbs a few years ago has resulted in this little chap. About 12cm tall and for sizing a comparison pic with Narcissus x Minicycla
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Very nice pic and spot rafa :o
I remember N. pallidiflorus in Spain, in the Pyrennes, a spot with thousand of them, with N. poeticus and hybrids between this 2 species.
Unfortunatly pics are on slides and my scanner is dead >:(
But they were growing in open situation, not in the woods like yours. Very strange.
Do you also have spots in open meadows ?
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Nothing exceptional, but a nice seedling from 'Mite' x cyclamineus. I was hoping to get something closer to cyclamineus than 'Mite' with the swept-back petals of cyclamineus but a bit bigger and stronger like 'Mite'. This seedling is looking good for that - taller than cyclamineus, more the height of 'Mite' but with the look of pure cyclamineus, a good strong colour and nice large swept-back petals too.
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Very nice result Martin !
About N. cyclamineus, does somebody know where to find this species ???
I'm looking for it for many years without success, although it's said to be very easy to grow, to propagate and to naturalize ... :o
It's totally missinf in the bulbs lists of suppliers >:(
I've got a few seeds last year for the very first time, but even seeds are difficult to find : why ???
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You have a nose for wonderful Narcissus sites Rafa ! Thanks for sharing them ! :D
Love all these N. cyclamineus hybrids - they're all very desirable wee gems !!
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Narcissus "gaditanus" (?) from Portugal - I was given a few bulbs of this purported species, but due to a lack of suitable literature, I cannot verify this name nor find (m-) any references to it on the internet. Can anybody help?
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Narcissus "gaditanus" (?) from Portugal - I was given a few bulbs of this purported species, but due to a lack of suitable literature, I cannot verify this name nor find (m-) any references to it on the internet. Can anybody help?
Rogan - N. gaditanus is a genuine species belonging to the section Jonquillae & native to Portugal & Spain. Have you tried Google? There seem to be plenty of references.
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About N. cyclamineus, does somebody know where to find this species
I got some bulbs from Pitcairn Alpines last year.
http://shop.pitcairnalpines.co.uk/narcissus-cyclamineus-928-p.asp
It looks like she starts taking orders next month.
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Many Thank's rob
I'll try 1st of April,... if it's not a joke ;D
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Fred ,I would be happy to send you half a dozen or so bulbs of N. cyclamineus now -
they are still dormant here in the Southern Hemisphere - if you can be bothered to turn
them around to the Northern Hem. growth cycle .If so , please let me have your address,
Otto.
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Here is a picture taken today of N. cyclamineus in my garden.
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Paul Christian's Rare Plants usually sells N. cyclamineus . His Autumn catalogue with narcissus, crocus etc. should be coming out and appearing on the website quite soon. Here's a link : http://www.rareplants.co.uk/search.asp?s=x36mzp296156&strKeywords=narcissus+cyclamineus&strSearchCriteria=all&CAT_ID=0
Broadleigh Bulbs also often have cyclamineus: http://www.broadleighbulbs.co.uk/
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That's a lovely hybrid, Martin. Maybe it'll be easier to grow than the species.
I took a picture of several of the small yellow trumpet hybrids side by side for comparison. There's not much to choose between some of them. Left to right:
Hummingbird, Douglasbank (I think), Bagatelle, my own hybrid shown earlier, Midget.
After that is Snook, one of Keira's daffodils, flowering at about 18cm.
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I can't open the luteolentus photo either, but I do have your plant in flower now. I also have one from Buried Treasure which looks completely different. I'll try and get photos tomorrow.
Here is a photo of the three pots I have of Narcissus hedreanthus luteolentus in flower now. Left to right: luteolentus yellow form, luteolentus (both from Brian D), luteolentus (Rannveig Wallis).
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Wonderful stuff Anne ! Beautiful wee treasures.
Here's flowering in my garden today - 20 cm high - it took me 20 pictures to get some in focus - the camera kept focussing on the Daphne arbuscula in the background... >:(:
Narcissus 'Engländer' - not sure about the 'umlaut' on the a ???
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Anne, is it possible your 3 pots of N hed. luteolents are all hybrids? or at least the outer two? None seems to have a typical hedraeanthus habit, and to be very tall for that species.
'Englander' is a little honey Luc. How tall is it?
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Narcissus "gaditanus" (?) from Portugal - I was given a few bulbs of this purported species, but due to a lack of suitable literature, I cannot verify this name nor find (m-) any references to it on the internet. Can anybody help?
Rogan - N. gaditanus is a genuine species belonging to the section Jonquillae & native to Portugal & Spain. Have you tried Google? There seem to be plenty of references.
I have two pots labelled Narcissus gaditanus. One is a very small rupicola with flowers ~ 1cm across, so I was sold the wrong plant. >:( The other is just leaves, although I suspect this is the real species?
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Didn't I read somewhere that 'Englander' is the same thing as 'Mite', just grown for a while under a different name?
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Englander, as it is known in the UK, has been variously thought to be Queen of Spain and who knows what else?! ;D All very confusing. :(
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That's a lovely hybrid, Martin. Maybe it'll be easier to grow than the species.
I'm hoping so, Anne. That was one of the aims of the cross. I've a couple of others flowering but none as good as this, more like ordinary cyclamineus. This one will be getting chipped this year, even though it's the first year of flowering. I won't see it flower again for 2 or 3 years at least. :-[
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Englander, as it is known in the UK, has been variously thought to be Queen of Spain and who knows what else?! ;D All very confusing. :(
The original bulb came from Ron Beeston many moons ago... ;D
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Here is a picture taken today of N. cyclamineus in my garden.
:o :o OMG i love it!!! My compliments for the nice display!
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'Englander' is a little honey Luc. How tall is it?
20 cm Lesley
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The original bulb came from Ron Beeston many moons ago... ;D
That's a coincidence, Ron is in this thread - last pic in first message
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3186.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3186.0)
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The original bulb came from Ron Beeston many moons ago... ;D
That's a coincidence, Ron is in this thread - last pic in first message
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3186.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3186.0)
These plantsmen get everywhere! ;) ;D
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Narcissus "gaditanus" (?) from Portugal - I was given a few bulbs of this purported species, but due to a lack of suitable literature, I cannot verify this name nor find (m-) any references to it on the internet. Can anybody help?
Rogan - N. gaditanus is a genuine species belonging to the section Jonquillae & native to Portugal & Spain. Have you tried Google? There seem to be plenty of references.
I have two pots labelled Narcissus gaditanus. One is a very small rupicola with flowers ~ 1cm across, so I was sold the wrong plant. >:( The other is just leaves, although I suspect this is the real species?
Anthony - you may well be right. Blanchard claims it is "unrewarding to cultivate". He states that the bulbs keep splitting & are difficult to get to flowering size. Apparently they also need a good baking.
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Photographing some Narcissus recently including Narcissus cantabricus var laciniatus below I was joined by my furry friend. He is always playful when presented with a dangling piece of string. On this occasion the narcissus leaves blowing in the wind (I gave up the photo-session because of the wind) must have reminded him of mouses tails ::)
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I see Timmy's still got his furry coat on! ;)
Thanks for all the info. and pictures re. Narcissus gaditanus and N. viridiflorus. My N. gaditanus used to flower with its previous owner, so hopefully it will do so with me - however, I do remember it being a little "underwelming" when I saw it in his collection. :) Time will tell...
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Lesley, I agree with you about the hedreanthus luteolentus, but that's what I got them as. I like the middle one best.
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A few more Narcissus, some of which I have posted before but they have opened more during the last few days.
The first came from Tony Willis as Narcissus cordubensis var. fernandesii, thank you Tony, but I see that the RHS Daffodil Register and Classified List has the name in reverse-Narcissus fernandesii var. cordubensis. Whatever it's very pretty. The second and third are Narcissus 'Tockwith Anne'; the fourth N. jonquilla var. henriquesii, and the final one N. x incurvicervicus.
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Lesley, I agree with you about the hedreanthus luteolentus, but that's what I got them as. I like the middle one best.
Ann, I believe all your hedraeanthus luteolentus shown are the real ones.
They are very variable and become quite large towards the end of the flowering stage.
Pic 1 - 3 are all luteolentus from different sites.
Pic 4 is the hybrid between luteolentus and triandrus.
Gerd
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David you are welcome.I am sure you must have added the fernandesii bit yourself I am not that good and mine at home are just labelled cordubensis
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Gerd that hybrid is lovely. 8)
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OOps! Thank you Gerd, I think I have some relabelling to do :-[ Who would think they were all the same species?
Does the hybrid reflex the perianth?
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I'm definitely going to have to look at the Narcissus hedraeanthus(?) I got from CGF anew. It looks very like these luteolentus?
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The first came from Tony Willis as Narcissus cordubensis var. fernandesii, thank you Tony, but I see that the RHS Daffodil Register and Classified List has the name in reverse-Narcissus fernandesii var. cordubensis. Whatever it's very pretty.
David you are welcome.I am sure you must have added the fernandesii bit yourself I am not that good and mine at home are just labelled cordubensis
According to both John Blanchard & the Kew Monocot Checklist N. cordubensis is a synonym for N. fernandesii. Kew also regards N. fernandesii cordubensis as a synonym for N. fernandesii.
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Does the hybrid reflex the perianth?
If I remember right the perianth segments are slightly reflexed - I 'll show a photo when the flower is fully expanded.
Gerd
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I crossed N. watieri with a dwarf narcissus in the garden several years ago. (? what - poor record keeping I know.) This is the first to flower & looks to be pure watieri. Still nice though.
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Still nice though.
Indeed ! Do you grow it outside?
Gerd
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Pete, after several years of trying, I've found this often to be the case. I think watieri automatically self pollinates because the stigma is right next to the stamens in the tube. Now, as soon as the bud breaks, I pull apart the tube to expose the style, leaving the unripe anthers connected to the two halves of the flower to use for pollen later. I'm hoping this will work, but haven't flowered any of the hybrids made this way yet.
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Wonderful plants everyone. Interesting David that your fernandesii looks more slender than mine (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2870.msg78683#msg78683).
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Gerd - It is in a pot but grown outside but under a roof cover. I havn't tried it in the open ground.
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Wonderful plants everyone. Interesting David that your fernandesii looks more slender than mine (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2870.msg78683#msg78683).
Yes, mine does look a lot more slender than yours. ???
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That there are varying forms of fernandesii will not surprise anyone who has read Ben Zonneveld's paper The systematic value of nuclear DNA content for all species of Narcissus L. (Amaryllidaceae) which can be viewed here:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/31v686343n0615t6/fulltext.pdf
This is not the appropriate forum to discuss such a complicated subject, but as I read this paper our little friend "Narcissus fernandesii" is not always what she seems.
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Thanks for the reference Jim. Undoubtedly N. fernandesii & N. 'fernandesii' comprise a complex complex ??? :-\ ;)
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Flowering outside through the recent snow- Narcissus bulbocodium x romieuxii
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That there are varying forms of fernandesii will not surprise anyone who has read Ben Zonneveld's paper The systematic value of nuclear DNA content for all species of Narcissus L. (Amaryllidaceae) which can be viewed here:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/31v686343n0615t6/fulltext.pdf
Jim - many thanks for the reference. It's very interesting. I suspect that the genus will provide material for PhDs for many years to come (finances permitting).
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I think watieri automatically self pollinates.
Anne - your thoughts would seem right to me. Another pot of seedlings, watierii x bulbocodium, has just opened & they all look like waterii again.
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2 Narcissus from me,
Narcissus calcicola,
Narcissus bulbocodium RRW88-36
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These are two pretty daffs!
Derek, is there some more information about the collecting no RRW 88-36?
Gerd
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Thanks for the reference Jim. Undoubtedly N. fernandesii & N. 'fernandesii' comprise a complex complex ??? :-\ ;)
Too complex for me anyway. I managed to get through the first couple of paragraphs without understanding much of it ;D
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These are two pretty daffs!
Derek, is there some more information about the collecting no RRW 88-36?
Gerd
I agree with Gerd that the bulbocodium from Bob & Rannveig Wallis is very attractive. It looks rather like the 'Moulay Brahim' form of N. bulbocodium subsp. praecox which has been posted two or three times recently.
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from Bob and Rannveig Wallis' last catalogue:-
"RRW8836-Narcissus bulbocodium Oukaimedon, High Atlas 2800m. Another of the spectacular Moroccan bulbocodiums with large flaring lemon yellow trumpets"
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Narcissus jonquilla blooming since one week in the greenhouse
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2 Narcissus from me,
Narcissus calcicola,
Narcissus bulbocodium RRW88-36
I must have done something wrong, because after one season I lost all my Narcissus calcicola. :'(
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I must have done something wrong, because after one season I lost all my Narcissus calcicola. :'(
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I have exactly the same problem Anthony - purchased from MB and planted in 2007 - flowered ok in 2008 - no sign of them in 2009... :'(
And the same goes for N. rupicola :'(
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....... and I lost my one and only bulb of N. calcicola bought last year. :(
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from Bob and Rannveig Wallis' last catalogue:-
"RRW8836-Narcissus bulbocodium Oukaimedon, High Atlas 2800m. Another of the spectacular Moroccan bulbocodiums with large flaring lemon yellow trumpets"
Thank you for clarification David! RRW = Robert & Rannveig Wallis and Bob = Robert (I got it - slowly, slowly)
Gerd
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I must have done something wrong, because after one season I lost all my Narcissus calcicola. :'(
I have exactly the same problem Anthony - purchased from MB and planted in 2007 - flowered ok in 2008 - no sign of them in 2009... :'(
And the same goes for N. rupicola :'(
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....... and I lost my one and only bulb of N. calcicola bought last year. :(
Interesting. I bought two bulbs of the Dutch N. calcicola cultivar 'Idol last year. Only one has appeared this year & that looks as though it may be virused. On the other hand, I have a potful of N.calcicola seedlings (from Mike Salmon seed) which reappears year after year. Unfortunately I cannot persuade them to flower.
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I ordered over 20 different Narcissus from MB in 2007, all flowered last spring but only two have appeared this year.
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2 Narcissus from me,
Narcissus calcicola,
Narcissus bulbocodium RRW88-36
I must have done something wrong, because after one season I lost all my Narcissus calcicola. :'(
Anthony The calcicola bulbs came from Tony Good 4 years ago and I have had no problems, now I will probably loose them. Derek
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Who is MB? I lost N calcicola 'Idol' after one season as well (twice!). I have some of the wild form kindly sent to me by Dominique flowering very prettily now. It will be interesting to see if these fare better.
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Miniature Bulbs. My plants of 'Idol' did not come from them. I have mostly bought narcissus species from them in the past & all these - so far - have reappeared in subsequent years. However, the virus in N. 'Little Soldier' is so severe it can be spotted at a hundred paces.
Addition: I wonder if these disappearing plants are microprops? I remember many people found micropropagated frits difficult or impossible to establish when they first arrived on the scene.
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new flower :)Narcissus scaberulus (Portugal)
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I ordered over 20 different Narcissus from MB in 2007, all flowered last spring but only two have appeared this year.
Heavens, that's not a good return Michael. :o
Once when I lost almost everything from a large Narcissus order, I had the cynical thought that the nusery had sprayed them with something nasty in order that they WOULDN'T come up again, so that I would reorder. In fact I did reorder most and found almost all were already infected with narcissus fly grubs by the time I received them. >:( >:( >:(
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Anthony The calcicola bulbs came from Tony Goode 4 years ago and I have had no problems, now I will probably loose them. Derek
Glad to know they are doing OK!
Mine were originally from AGS seed. The secret to keeping healthy stocks of most of the species bulbs is to raise some new ones from seed from time to time. They are susceptible to some viruses, I lost my original N calcicola that way (helped along by the fly :-[). Fortunately they usually make fat pods full of good seed - I may be asking you to send me some as I cannot recall if I still have it ??? (too dark to check now!)
MB = Miniature Bulbs a UK based bulb seller. Well known for their range of narcissus which seem to have serious health issues right now :(
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I showed a good grown pot of Narc. calcicola 'Idol' this week in Weekly Lisse Flower Show.
Did not realise it would be difficult to keep??
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Here is the N. 'Idol' from the Lisse show.... photo by Luit.....
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new flower :)Narcissus scaberulus (Portugal)
This is another one that came wrongly identified (not from MB), and is a lovely wee rupicola. I'll photograph it at the weekend. My other pot labelled scaberulus is just leaves, but I suspect it needs severe summer heat? 8)
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Narcissus romieuxii from Itzer, Morocco
-all from the same collection (received from a friend) - showing the variability
Gerd
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Here are a few new babies. Some are not beautiful, but are interesting (to me at any rate!)
First a real tiny one - mixed seedlings of rupicola x Fuco - each of the flowers would fit easily into a 2cm cube.
Second and third, one I like a lot - watieri x asturiensis, the flower is 2.5cm across - in essence a pale lemon Jim Lad.
Fourth, bulbocodium nivalis x triandrus, a curiosity.
Fifth, ostensibly the same cross, but resulting in a very peculiar little flower 1 cm at the mouth and facing straight up!
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Such cute babies, I love all of them! 8)
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Lovely set of N. romieuxii Gerd. I think they are all beautiful, quite my favourite Narc species.
What a brilliantly eclectic range Anne. The watieri x asturiensis has to be my favourite, what beautiful form and colour, how long before that one gets in the Catalogue? The rupicola x Faco is a little cracker too. I wonder if the nivalis x triandrus will be a stargazer next year.
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Gerd - many thanks for showing a fascinating & beautiful collection. Is the last one very small?
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here is Narcissis cantabricus ssp monophyllus from near Filabres Spain
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About N. cyclamineus, does somebody know where to find this species ???
I'm looking for it for many years without success,
Ashwood Nurseries were selling it at the February RHS Show. See the pots on the very corner of the table?
johnw
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Received from an Austrian friend:
Plain Narcissus cantabricus or Narcissus x susannae ?
Any help welcome!
Gerd
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I love your little stargazer Anne, Hope it stays that way in coming years, something really different without being bizarre.
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Received from an Austrian friend:
Plain Narcissus cantabricus or Narcissus x susannae ?
Any help welcome!
Gerd
Gerd - this is interesting. All the photos of N. cantabricus I have seen show the style to be exserted. Yours does not show this. Last year I obtained N. cantabricus ‘Antiquera’ from ‘Rare Plants’ & this form also does not have an exserted style. The picture of N x susannae on p 87 of Blanchard shows plants in which the style is not exserted which made me wonder whether my plants are in fact the natural hybrid rather than straight N. cantabricus.
Here is a very poor picture.
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Gerd, to me it is N. cantabricus. Last pictures in the wild
N. confusus.......
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Another classic....
N. cantabricus.......
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Beautiful Rafa, absolutely beautiful.
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Oh Rafa, I do hope that site is secret and protected. This, and the previous pics of confusus, show us how we should think of narcissi. In an untouched pristine natural setting. Thank you for showing us these. I feel privilaged to be able to share your joy in seeing them. 8) We have naturalised daffodils in the UK, but, if what I have been told is true, the origins go back to Roman times, when they carried a bulb or two to use in an emergency as a suicide 'pill', hence 'narcotic'.
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Uniquely beautifully narcissus, Rafa
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Breathtakingly beautiful.You are a lucky man, Rafa. Thank you for letting us share these wonderful places.
I will allow a decent period to pass before showing any more of my captive babies.
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It's no good, I've got to show you my favourite one so far. Narcissus triandrus x cyclamineus. This is a pot of a single clone, twin scaled 2 years ago.
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Well, Rafa' thousands of cantabricus is a sight to gladden any heart.... I can only imagine the excitement of seeing such a population...... Thank you , Rafa!! :-* :-*
Your captive bred babies are awfully cute, Anne.... this is a particular success, I think... the pale colour is so pretty and the shape is delightful. Need a Foster-Mother, at all???? ::) ;)
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It's no good, I've got to show you my favourite one so far. Narcissus triandrus x cyclamineus. This is a pot of a single clone, twin scaled 2 years ago.
Now that is special. You seem to have combined the star qualities of both species Anne. I think you are on to a winner there. Once you have named and registered, it I look forward to seeing it on your list.
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Superb Rafa.
The triandrus x cyclamineus is very like one of, I think, the same breeding, from Ann and Joe Cartman here in NZ. It won a prize several years ago at the annual NZAGS show but I haven't seen it since. I remember, EVERYONE wanted it.
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Superb Anne!
johnw
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Whilst I am not doing very well growing the romieuxii type narcissie in pots this year it was a nice surprise to find this fellow in the garden. He must ahve come out in some old potting compost. Maybe this is how I will have to grow them! The fingers are to try and hold him still in the wind.
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This yellow Narcissus rupicola came to me N. scaberulus. Clearly it's not. I took the pic with N. watieri for comparison. Here also is N. tazetta odorata and N. X macleayii. I think this last one is showing signs of virus? :-[
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This yellow Narcissus rupicola came to me N. scaberulus. Clearly it's not. I took the pic with N. watieri for comparison. Here also is N. tazetta odorata and N. X macleayii. I think this last one is showing signs of virus? :-[
I think I see streaky leaves - if so its heave ho :'(
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Thank's again rafa for this splendid wild pictures !
I love them and this Narcissus are stunning !
I know I could spend hours taking pictures in such sites :)
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This yellow Narcissus rupicola came to me N. scaberulus. Clearly it's not. I took the pic with N. watieri for comparison. Here also is N. tazetta odorata and N. X macleayii. I think this last one is showing signs of virus? :-[
I think I see streaky leaves - if so its heave ho :'(
Well, if this is virus, the symptoms are very different to the virus I recently spotted in N 'Little Soldier' - yellow streaks in the leaves. (In the days of National Service, conscripts used to be shown gruesome films warning of a somewhat similar fate for those who strayed). The problem with virus is that, once aware of it, one thinks one sees it everywhere. I certainly do at the moment.
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Here once again the hedraeanthus-triandrus hybrid from March 10 th and
from today - the petals are not reflexed
Gerd
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Here is a natural occuring sterile hybrid between Narcissus cantabricus and N. bulbocodium
Gerd
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Wonderful stuff everyone !!
Here's two more N. cyclamineus hybrids from my garden :
1) Narcissus 'The usurper' - what's in a name ... ???
2) Narcissus 'Mitzi'
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Gerd, your triandrus/hedraeanthus hybrid is lovely.
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Narcissus watieri x gaditanus from Anne's List. A lovely little thing.
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I don't think anything can beat seeing Rafa's wild narcissus, but some of the hybrids are amazing in their own way!
Lesley,
we'll have to introduce Marcus to Anne's list!
cheers
fermi
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Gerd, your triandrus/hedraeanthus hybrid is lovely.
It certainly is a little beauty. I like the way the petals curve inward towards the cup. Just something a little different.
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Lesley,
we'll have to introduce Marcus to Anne's list!
cheers
fermi
Let's do that. :)
Someone please? How do you manage to get two quotes in different parts of the same post?
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Someone please? How do you manage to get two quotes in different parts of the same post?
Lesley, click quote on one of the posts you want to quote, highlight the quote in the reply box, right click and copy or cut, then go back to the thread and click quote on the next post you want to quote, paste the first quote into the reply box along with the second quote. Like this:
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It certainly is a little beauty. I like the way the petals curve inward towards the cup. Just something a little different.
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Someone please? How do you manage to get two quotes in disserent parts of the same post?
Lesley, if you mean getting two different quotes both in the blue quotes box with details of who posted them, I think you can only do that by quoting a post where someone was already quoting someone else, if you see what I mean.
Unless you cut and paste a quote into another quote? I'm going to try that and see what happens.
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Someone please? How do you manage to get two quotes in disserent parts of the same post?
It certainly is a little beauty. I like the way the petals curve inward towards the cup. Just something a little different.
Actually, I think you just have to be careful to copy and paste the quote with all the details of who the author was as in "quote author= Lelsey Cox link=topi-2870...etc.
Like this? Hope that works.
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Done it! There you go, Lesley.
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THanks Martyn, I'll have a go at that next time. I know Maggi sometimes quotes two different posts within the same reply, showing them in separate boxes.
How about this one then? I printed out Paddy's rhubarb recipes but the whole thread was printed, not just Paddy's post.
Also, I could save the pictures in the Old Forum (I did some to use in a talk, with the owners' permission) but I can't do so for the New Forum pics.
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Some N. bulbocodium subsp. obesus that Gerd gave me some time ago (thank you again!)
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They look very much at home Rafa !
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two different species
Narcissus asturiensis var villarbildensis
N.dubius
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Great plants Rafa. Many thanks for such fine pics, especially from the wild.
Hybrids here:
'Segovia' left, 'Xit' right, 'Sabrosa' below
'Segovia' & 'Sabrosa', the latter with a wonderful scent of sweet violets
'Jack Snipe'
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Ashley,
Nice clump of Jack Snipe ! :D
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Rafa, looks like some lovely seed pods on the Narcissus dubius. I have two seedlings, which I hope one day will flower. I have tried bulbs, but I think I treated them wrongly so I lost them.
Here is a bulb I received last year as Narcissus pachybolbos. Well, it's not even close! ::)
I'm posting here because my computer at home forbids me to access the forum and the SRGC web site. I've try a system restore, but no dice.
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Your imposter is cute, though, Anthony!
We are at a loss to know why Anthony's home computer is blocking him from the site. If any of you Techno Boffins out there have an idea to help, please get in touch with me by email. :)
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My brother has made some suggestions which I'll try when I get home. I've got a yifty in Art just now. Took me a while to knit my way into the Forum as the computer didn't have a Google (or any other web) icon and had to go via intranet! ::)
Anyone know what my mistery narcissus is. You can see one of its flat leaves in one pic, and that's N. jonquila behind. The trumpet is not far off 1" in diam.
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A plant I received as Narcissus calcicola from Serras Caudeiros. Easy to grow and very floriferous.
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Ah, that's cute and looks a good doer. I lost mine. Another pot of imposters, and I'll take a pic tonight is one labelled Narcissus cuatrecasassii from SRGC seed. It's another pot of rupicola. I do have a pot of real cuatrecasassii, which I got from Fausto Ceni in Italy.
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We are at a loss to know why Anthony's home computer is blocking him from the site. If any of you Techno Boffins out there have an idea to help, please get in touch with me by email. :)
Are we sure Mrs Darby is happy with Anthony's frequent visits to the Forum ?? ??? ::) :P ;)
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;D ;D ;D
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A plant I received as Narcissus calcicola from Serras Caudeiros. Easy to grow and very floriferous.
Melvyn - that's really handsome. I wish mine would flower. How do you treat it?
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Gerry, no special treatment, it grows in the same mix that I use for Galanthus which tends to have a fair amount of coarse sand and leafmould so is open and probably quite acidic. Repotted every year in plastic pots standing on sand and kept just about frost free. I think I have more success with this than most other Narcissus species. I hope that helps.
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I think the secret may be the heat they receive in the summer? Where do you live Melvyn? Is this clone available from a nursery?
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I live in Surrey so most years its likely to be a bit warmer than your area! Its not available from any nursery, the friend from Denmark that gave it to me collected it many years ago in Portugal.
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Melvyn - thanks for the info. My plants derive from a Portuguese collection by Mike Salmon; some came from Peter Moore (Tilebarn) a few years ago & others I've raised from Salmon seed. I've managed to flower them just once. Brighton should be at least as warm as Surrey - maybe you have a particularly floriferous form.
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This miniature daffodil I received two years ago from a friend as N. 'Lady Skelmersdale' But there seems to exist no Narcissus with that name. Might it be 'Skelmersdale Gold', which is mentioned in J. Wells' book 'Modern Miniature Daffodils'? The short description there would fit quite well. It is very early, flowering with 'Rijnveld's Early Sensation' and N. asturiensis on a stem of 15 cm.
Cheers
Thomas
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This is the registration record of 'Skelmersdale Gold' http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/daffdetails.asp?ID=221071
Fits the rather scant description :-X
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It looks the same shape as Skelmersdale Gold on Daffseek
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?photo2=035c0b16a460fe5da8e84368d36f75e8&pagenum1=1
But yours looks much nicer!
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I'm on Vivienne's laptop a mine can't access the web site. Can't find my narcissus in Blanchard's book. :-\
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Thank you, Maggie and Anne, for these two valuable links. It really seems to be quite close to 'Skelmersdale Gold', though according to the photo on daffseek, perianth and corona seem to have two different shades of yellow, which my one does not have at all.
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'Segovia' left, 'Xit' right, 'Sabrosa' below
Does 'Segovia' xit left while 'Xit' xits right? (Sorry, :D)
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Ah, that's cute and looks a good doer. I lost mine. Another pot of imposters, and I'll take a pic tonight is one labelled Narcissus cuatrecasassii from SRGC seed. It's another pot of rupicola. I do have a pot of real cuatrecasassii, which I got from Fausto Ceni in Italy.
Anthony, when you are able, would you post pics of cuatrecasassii and rupicola side by side (or one underneath) please. I too, suspect that my cua... is rupicola and had it originally from SRGC seedlist, or could have been AGS. But it does flower nearly a month earlier than my rupicola. what real and visible differences are there?
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'Segovia' left, 'Xit' right, 'Sabrosa' below
Does 'Segovia' xit left while 'Xit' xits right? (Sorry, :D)
Believe me Lesley, as the father of teenagers I use the word 'xit' advisedly ::)
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Well I'm really trying to get a view on whether "Exit" is correct, or "Zit." Probably the former if one has teenagers.
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I zit xit or exit you mean? ::)
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Just noticed that imposter narcissus of Anthony's a couple of pages ago. Its very nice. How tall is it Anthony?
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Here is a drift of Narcissus cyclamineus seemingly happy in the garden
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Beautiful Ian ... beautiful!
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Ian, do you want to break my heart ??? ;D ;)
This is definitly a must !! a jewel !
And I still don't understand why this species is not more widely distributed and grown ::)
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Ian, do you want to break my heart ??? ;D ;)
This is definitly a must !! a jewel !
And I still don't understand why this species is not more widely distributed and grown ::)
Fred don't worry one or two already have your name on them ;) I find this one OK with me but it is the ones that need a good baking that I find so difficult to please . In fact this group have seeded themselves with little effort from me . I think that it does not like to be too dry in summer and needs an acid soil- mine has a PH of approx. 6.5
Cliff thanks for your kind comment
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Here is my one flower of Narcissus cuatrecasasii and the same flower with rupicola in the next pot. A wee bulbocodium seedling and asturiensis with burnt leaves compared with a dwarf rescued from a clump of brambles a few years ago.
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Thanks Anthony, It seems the cua... is a little more orangey, or richer coloured than rupicola. Mine are the same so probably both are rupicola. Next spring I'll try to photograph both in a vase at once if their flowering co-incides or overlaps.
Ian yours are so very happy but then, they keep such very good company in your garden. No wonder they look well and contented. :)
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Superb drift of N. cyclamineus Ian ! Well done !
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Just noticed that imposter narcissus of Anthony's a couple of pages ago. Its very nice. How tall is it Anthony?
I'll measure it tonight, if I get time. It's Lucy's 10th birthday and I forgot to cancel my tutoring at 7 p.m. :-[
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One of the few Narcissus that does really well here, N. Hawera.
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Ian - great clump of cyclamineus, which I find very difficult. Anthony, some nice dwarfs, but I think Mark would suggest your asturiensis have Stagonospora?? Oron, that is a very nice photo of Hawera. Thanks, all.
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Would anyone like to hazard a guess on this one? It was received as a Narcissus bulbocodium variant, and is obviously not that. The flower is about 2 cm across; the corona is 8 mm across. It has a strong scent of jonquil. It's about 12 cm high and the single flower faces upward (although that might be due to the earlier position of the scape).
All of these tiny jonquil types look alike to me. :o
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It looks very like what I received as N. cordubensis pale form from Rannveig Wallis. The deep lobing of the corolla looks the same.
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Thanks, Anne.
I know another gardener in this area who has cordubensis; if her plant is now in bloom, I'll compare them to see if we have a match.
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Unfortunately yes. I sprayed all my collection last week with a good fungicide
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Anthony, some nice dwarfs, but I think Mark would suggest your asturiensis have Stagonospora??
The leaves are burnt due to an encroaching plant that has been cut back. I will spray just in case.
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Unfortunately yes. I sprayed all my collection last week with a good fungicide
What would be a good fungicide in this case Mark ??
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One of the few Narcissus that does really well here, N. Hawera.
Ah Ha! A New Zealander in Israel. :)
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and its seems to feel at home here...flowering abundantly for about 3 weeks ;)
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Here are some more pics of the Narcissus ? that I bought as N. pachybolbus. It's about 20cm tall and looks like a bulbocodium with large petals.
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It loos like it might be a hoop petticoat of some kind crossed with some other section. Maybe Little Soldier?
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Little%20Soldier&lastpage=1
It's very nice.
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That's a close approximation you have pin-pointed there, Anne.
A very attractive little daff, indeed, Anthony.
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Very strange, as I came from a supplier wrongly labelled, but it is not in my niature to complain if the result, like this, is something interesting. It there is a mixup, they, or their supplier, must be selling it as something?
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some narcissus in flower atb the moment
Narcissus bulbocodium var citrinus
Narcissus rupicola
Narcissus nobilis
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N nobilis is very aptly named.
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That's a close approximation you have pin-pointed there, Anne.
A very attractive little daff, indeed, Anthony.
It would be very attractive if it was possible to get disease-free plants. I bought some last autumn & when they came into leaf the virus was the worst I've ever seen. They went straight into the dustbin. I wonder where Anthony's plants came from?
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There's always a clue Anne. ;D
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That's a close approximation you have pin-pointed there, Anne.
A very attractive little daff, indeed, Anthony.
It would be very attractive if it was possible to get disease-free plants. I bought some last autumn & when they came into leaf the virus was the worst I've ever seen. They went straight into the dustbin. I wonder where Anthony's plants came from?
I'm a bit confused, Gerry: do you mean that you bought bulbs of pachybolbus, the plant Anne cites, or Anthony's form? Which was virused ?
Looking again at the leaves of Anthony's unknown daff, I see that there are some suspicious looking blotches .... :P ???
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One from the greenhouse today-Narcissus tenuior
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That's a close approximation you have pin-pointed there, Anne.
A very attractive little daff, indeed, Anthony.
It would be very attractive if it was possible to get disease-free plants. I bought some last autumn & when they came into leaf the virus was the worst I've ever seen. They went straight into the dustbin. I wonder where Anthony's plants came from?
I'm a bit confused, Gerry: do you mean that you bought bulbs of pachybolbus, the plant Anne cites, or Anthony's form? Which was virused ?
Looking again at the leaves of Anthony's unknown daff, I see that there are some suspicious looking blotches .... :P ???
Maggi - I bought N. 'Little Soldier' (Anne's identification with which I agree) on the basis of its picture - its a very photogenic little plant as Anthony's pic shows. This is the one that was horrifically virused. So much so that I'm wondering whether I should have a check-up after handling it.
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Oh, crikey, Gerry, bad as that was it? :P
Anthony had better have a good look at the foliage on his then, becasue it does look rather blotchy..... though I do fear I see virus everywhere some days ??? :-X :-\
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The nobilis that Igot looks as bad, those that have come up. I wonder if we got them from the same place?
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Here are some narcissi from my greenhouse today:
Kenellis
watieri x gaditanus (not one of mine)
triandrus x pallidiflorus
rupicola x triandrus.
Sorry about taking the shots in situ, it's a drawback of growing in plunges - I can't really take them out without risking damaging roots that have come out of the bottom.
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I think they're very nice pictured that way Anne. Gives us a little taste of how things are in your glasshouse. The scent must be lovely when you walk in. :)
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Heavenly at jonquil time, which is now!
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That's a close approximation you have pin-pointed there, Anne.
A very attractive little daff, indeed, Anthony.
It would be very attractive if it was possible to get disease-free plants. I bought some last autumn & when they came into leaf the virus was the worst I've ever seen. They went straight into the dustbin. I wonder where Anthony's plants came from?
I'm a bit confused, Gerry: do you mean that you bought bulbs of pachybolbus, the plant Anne cites, or Anthony's form? Which was virused ?
Looking again at the leaves of Anthony's unknown daff, I see that there are some suspicious looking blotches .... :P ???
Maggi - I bought N. 'Little Soldier' (Anne's identification with which I agree) on the basis of its picture - its a very photogenic little plant as Anthony's pic shows. This is the one that was horrifically virused. So much so that I'm wondering whether I should have a check-up after handling it.
Anne and Gerry have solved my mystery. I bought Narcissus pachybolbus from Miniature Bulbs and it seems now that they sent Narcissus bulbocodium 'Little Soldier' in error (as I didn't order 'Little Soldier'). There are some dubious marks on the leaves, but I'm keeping an eye on it, as they only seem to apply to one bulb. I got them before last season and they only produced leaves last year, hence my surprise. Does anyone know the parentage?
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Anthony - according to 'Daffseek', N. bulbocodium subsp obesus x 'Chemawa' (whatever that is).
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I think they're very nice pictured that way Anne. Gives us a little taste of how things are in your glasshouse. The scent must be lovely when you walk in. :)
Heavenly at jonquil time, which is now!
Superbly grown plants as usual Anne. Shame we don't yet have smellyvision
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Anthony - according to 'Daffseek', N. bulbocodium subsp obesus x 'Chemawa' (whatever that is).
Again, according to Daffseek (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Chemawa&lastpage=1 (http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Chemawa&lastpage=1))a yellow/orange (2Y-OOY) large-cupped daffodil.
cheers
fermi
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Narcissus willkommii (?) in the bulb frame.
[Sorry the Scilla pic was there by mistake]
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I like the scilla :) Wonder if it would stay so dwarf here though ???
I have a few narcissus with a ? in their name. Will try and find a pic of what I grow as N wilkommii to see if it matches yours. (On wifes PC - no access to my images!)
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Thanks again Tony.
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Some narcissus in the greenhouse and garden now, and also the little native one which is in bloom all through the hedge banks here.
The first is N carzolensis ( is that the correct spelling cos the label's faded ) and close up on twin flowers, then N 'Hawera' cos its easy. Then outside N 'Mite', N cyclamineus and finally N pseudonarcissus.
Why do my bulbicodium baby's leaves turn yellow and then pull out ?
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Anne why do you grow Kennellis inside? Mine are outside and doing well as are my x cazorlanus
Anyone know this one? They were rescued from a very old local garden and I should get more.
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Jo. This happens here sometimes too. Some forms seem more susceptible than others. I think it is just rot around the neck of the bulb causing the top growth to die off. A bit like damping off in seedlings of all kinds. Caused by? Could be erratic watering, frost damage, disease. In large bulbs it can be a sign of narcissus fly :o and I would tip the pot out and remove such bulbs in hope of preventing future problems.
Mark - Annes' Kennellis looks great under glass even if it would do OK outdoors.
When you get more of that nice bicoloured narcissus you can get some for me too ;) :) :) It's a beaut!
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Jo, Tony - its happening here also with N. jonquilla. I don't know why. The flower scapes continue to look fine.
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I'll tip them out and have a look, they are in a frost free greenhouse but damping off could easily be the problem cos the house is quite shady, for Cyclamen, and air movement limited.
Mark, thats a lovely narcissus, does it have a scent ?
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It's a beauty, Mark. Re Kenellis, I had it in a pot to show it , but I'll probably plant some out. Some of my clumps of daffs in the garden are just 1cm stumps thanks to slugs. I don't want this to happen to special ones.
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OK Anne and Tony I'll go and rescue some more this weekend and also get some twinscaled. The garden has lots of the one shown, poeticus and lots of 'old' looking Narcissus with small cups. The sad thing is there are 100s of blind clumps
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Anne you were in the garden last year!
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Here's the bicoloured Narcissus again. Same camera but different light conditions
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Superbly grown plants as usual Anne. Shame we don't yet have smellyvision
Well Mr Admin is supposed to be working on that. Wonder what the holdup is? ;D
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Here's the bicoloured Narcissus again. Same camera but different light conditions
How tall is it Mark?
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Superbly grown plants as usual Anne. Shame we don't yet have smellyvision
Well Mr Admin is supposed to be working on that. Wonder what the holdup is? ;D
He's got a terrible cold, Lesley, can't do the testing....... Doc says it could be years before he smells good again.... at least, i think that's what he said.... :-\ :P ;)
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My Narcissus alpestris. This is a cream coloured form from near Cerler.There have been discussions as to it being a separate species which clearly it is not,just a colour form. This was discussed in the AGS Journal vol 71 page 124.
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My Narcissus alpestris.
Tony, it is absolutely beautiful, I love the colour.
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Absolutely beautiful, Tony, thank you.
And Mark, your bicoloured narcissus is a beauty as well.
Here comes what I grow as Narcissus pseudonarcissus ... quite an ordinary thing ...
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Absolutely beautiful, Tony, thank you.
And Mark, your bicoloured narcissus is a beauty as well.
Here comes what I grow as Narcissus pseudonarcissus ... quite an ordinary thing ...
Thomas there is no such thing as 'quite an ordinary thing' when it comes to flowers
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Tony - that's a very beautiful Narcissus. Lucky you!
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Superb, Tony - and I like yours too Thomas.
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Tony,
your Narcissus alpestris are splendid !!
I've never seen it in the wild but I really love this very special colour.
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Tony,
your Narcissus alpestris are splendid !!
I've never seen it in the wild but I really love this very special colour.
It is only just over the Pyrenees,can you not pop over and look at it?
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hi Thomas!
Lesley the bicolored Narcissus is 15 inches 38cm
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My Narcissus alpestris. This is a cream coloured form from near Cerler.There have been discussions as to it being a separate species which clearly it is not,just a colour form. This was discussed in the AGS Journal vol 71 page 124.
Wonderful plant Tony !!!!
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OK Anne and Tony I'll go and rescue some more this weekend and also get some twinscaled. The garden has lots of the one shown, poeticus and lots of 'old' looking Narcissus with small cups. The sad thing is there are 100s of blind clumps
Is this the poeticus type you referred to, Mark? I love it - it's so graceful, though how it would stand up to the gales we have here just now I'm not sure.
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I forgot about that one Anne. There are poeticus there also. I would love to try to organise people to do something about the garden. It was well maintained when I was pre or just into my teen. The Ash and sycamore really have to be removed and the knotweed.
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Here's a low shot through Narcissus 'QueenW.P.kennellis' showing some other yellows in the garden just now
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Narcissus 'QueenW.P.kennellis'???
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Sounds like my Nan trying to find the right name for the naughty grandchild ... JohnSteveChris ;D
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Yes Anne. I see very little or no difference between W. P. Milner, x kennellis and Queen of Spain.
The same goes for N. alpechatusbawn -moschatus, alpestris and Colleen Bawn
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Aaah!
I went up to our village shop today, which also rents out DVDs. When my husband came home, I said "Quantum of Solace is out" (a new movie), to which he replied "Is that a daffodil?".
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I'd bet it will be a daffodil name soon
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Aaah!
I went up to our village shop today, which also rents out DVDs. When my husband came home, I said "Quantum of Solace is out" (a new movie), to which he replied "Is that a daffodil?".
He knows you well of course Anne ;D
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"Quantum of Solace is out"
I love it ;D ;D ;D
Now lets hope it's (a) right and (b) not virussed.
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Great Anny !
This morning, one of my Tulips said me : 'My name is BOND, James BOND ! '
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;D ;D
Mark, WP Milner and Queen of Spain both have flanged trumpets, while Kenellis does not. It is quite distinct. I wonder if it was named after someone called Ken Ellis? The registration entry doesn't say.
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Sounds like my Nan trying to find the right name for the naughty grandchild ... JohnSteveChris ;D
My mother - nic-jon-anthony. Right third time! ::) The only name she doesn't include is my sister's! ;D
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;D ;D
WP Milner and Queen of Spain both have flanged trumpets, while Kenellis does not. It is quite distinct. I wonder if it was named after someone called Ken Ellis? The registration entry doesn't say.
I have a vague notion ( yes ,yes, I know most of my notions are pretty vague these days :-X) that I Read somewhere that Kenellis was a place, that is to say a house..... ???
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wind damage :'( Not many flowers left now. Many are flat to the ground caused by the wind dehydrating the leaves faster than they can take up water
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WP Milner
x kennellis
Queen of Spain
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two more narcissus in flower now.
The N. cordubensis is the same one shown by David Nicholson
Narcissus cordubensis
Narcissus wateri
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Yours do look pretty similar, don't they?
Nice pair, Tony!
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Yours do look pretty similar, don't they?
Nice pair, Tony!
Anne I was trying to say I sent David his,I did not express it very well.
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Here's a beauty that I saw today. rupicola x 'Hummingbird'
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WP Milner
x kennellis
Queen of Spain
All beautiful and subtly different. A bit like those white flowered things with the green markings - subtly different :)
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Anne I was trying to say I sent David his,I did not express it very well.
Sorry Tony, I was referring to Mark's Post. I should have quoted. :-\
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Anne no problem,I will just concentrate on the 'nice pair' then
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I should have said that the rupicola x 'Hummingbird' is small flowered, quite tall but still a lovely miniature
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These came out a while ago, but I've only just got round to compiling the montage. It's just to show the variation in a pan of seedlings of N. rupicola x marvieri.
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WP Milner
x kennellis
Queen of Spain
Mark,
thank you for the comparison - very helpful.
I'm afraid lost my W.P. Millner - no noses appeared yet. >:( :'(
I suppose lost them not by frost but by Narcissus flies... >:(
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Anne,
the variation of seedlings of N. rupicola x marvieri is impressive.
Very tiny beauties...
Which one will you select?
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Stunning Anne - 'just to show the variation' - should read just to show how beautiful the variation. You do produce some lovely plants, thanks for sharing them!
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Anne,
the variation of seedlings of N. rupicola x marvieri is impressive.
Very tiny beauties...
Which one will you select?
I'll take the others off your hands ;D ;D ;D
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Anne, it must be exciting to see such a batch flowering for the first time!
Is the nr. 3 in the upper row the same as the one in front (2nd pic) on the left the same?
Very handsome!
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Top left and bottom right were interesting bicolours. Some of the flowers had malformed or 'nicked' petals, so it depends on whether they do this again next year. A lot depends on personal taste doesn't it? Exhibitors at daffodil shows would go for a very full flower, while alpinists might like something more open and elegant. Hmmm ???
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Luit, you are right!
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I'm afraid I don't know the first thing about narcissi but I saw this one at an open garden yesterday and was bowled over by it. The owner has a collection of old-fahioned narcissi but could not name this one; he thought it came from Scotland. If it were a snowdrop, I would describe it as a virescent spikey double, but perhaps narcissus afficiandos use other terminology? Can anyone identify it for me?
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Alan
I believe 'weird & wonderful' is N. "Rip van Winkle", according to Google images.
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Yes, I think that is 'Rip van Winkle'... an old narcissus of Irish origin, known from before 1884.
Here is the page from the RHS register :
http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/daffdetails.asp?ID=220462
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Yes, I think that is 'Rip van Winkle'... an old narcissus of Irish origin, known from before 1884.
Here is the page from the RHS register :
http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/registerpages/daffdetails.asp?ID=220462
Although I professed to know nothing about narcissi I think I do know Rip van Winkle. Now my daffodil is certainly similar but it is a lot greener than the Rip van Winkle I remember. Perhaps it is a virescent form (if this is possible)? Maybe this is difficult to see in the first picture. Here is a rear view.
Please tell me if I am wrong and Rip van Winkel really is green.
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Unless there is a virescent form I know not of, then I do think it is just that this one is particularly green... maybe just weather conditions this year. I am aware of this being a daff which is prone to some colour differences, year to year, in gardens around here. Some I have seen coming out lately are pretty green.
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The WHOLE GARDEN was full of rare plants that you might never have seen before, mostly old "heritage" varieties. But Rip van Winkel must be pointing me in the right direction.
Are there any virescent narcissi in cultivation? I had never seen a green one before this; one reason why I found it so striking.
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Don't know what it is Alan, but it seems that several are affected! :o
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Here is my Narcissus perez-chiscanoi (or dare I say, Narcissus hispanicus ssp perez-chiscanoi ;) )
Maggi and Ian, it is distinctly different to the one Ian has shown on his blog as it has rolled over edge to the corolla. This is a constant feature
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Will show the BD this one asap, Diane ....what a cute rolled flare.
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That's a remarkable daff, Diane
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Diane, a bit dark to see tonight but yours does look like our "perez-chiscanoi".
I wonder if the others you are thinking of are some of those smaller types we have which Ian just calls perez-chiscanoi hybrids ? ( he crossed it with cyclamineus).
I'll check to see what he has pictured !
I see in Log 10 of 2009 he has pictured the hybrids but captioned the photo as perez chiscanoi ! ::) :P
More pix of both types in logs 15/06 , 9/07 and 12/07.
It seems that our p-c do have a similarly rolled trumpet, but this only shows when ours are very fully open or in warm sunshine. They don't get much of that when they're in a frame in Aberdeen.... I wonder if your better light is the difference. The funny little white tip-spots are the same, I see.
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More pix of both types in logs 15/06 , 9/07 and 12/07.
It seems that our p-c do have a similarly rolled trumpet, but this only shows when ours are very fully open or in warm sunshine. They don't get much of that when they're in a frame in Aberdeen.... I wonder if your better light is the difference. The funny little white tip-spots are the same, I see.
Thanks, Maggi, I looked at all your pictures earlier as I remembered last year they seemed different from mine. Yours don't seem to have the rolled corolla at all. Mine have it all the time, doesn't seem to depend on light, warmth or maturity of flower. Maybe mine is a funny one.
Better light?? My bulb house??? ::) ::) ::) (I need one of those rolling about laughing gifs here)
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I didn't realise Narcissus 'Rip van Winkle' was that old. I have it flowering in two pots in my frame at the moment. I think one lot was bought in Tesco a few years ago. The old variety Narcissus 'Van Sion' (or is it 'Telamonius Plenus' ?) often has green or greenish flowers but I don't know if this is consistent. The flowers on my own bulbs are usually yellow. The photo was taken about a month ago. I should really take some more now they are further on.
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Are you suffering from West Midland Murk, then, Diane?
Ours are quite tall, chunky flowers with trumpets that do roll, perhaps not as tightly as yours... will keep a close eye on them in the next while to see what they do and when!
I suppose these things are as variable as everything else? Must check the original source of ours tomorrow too.
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I didn't realise Narcissus 'Rip van Winkle' was that old.
It's all that good sleep that keeps him going, Roma ;D
P.S. 'Van Sion' or 'Telemonius plenus' is known from before 1620 !!! Now that's is pretty old!
Interesting that DaffSeek page shows condsdierable variation in forms of this venerable oldie.....
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Telamonius%20Plenus&lastpage=1&which=hist1
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Are you suffering from West Midland Murk, then, Diane?
We "suffer" from a north-facing garden, with the house to the south, trees all round the east and west and a wall on the north
But it does mean I can grow lots of woodsy things 8)
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The WHOLE GARDEN was full of rare plants that you might never have seen before, mostly old "heritage" varieties. But Rip van Winkel must be pointing me in the right direction.
Are there any virescent narcissi in cultivation? I had never seen a green one before this; one reason why I found it so striking.
The DaffSeek page says: " with margins tinged green, separated" which ties in with what I've seen.
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Rip%20van%20Winkle&lastpage=1
Most greenish narcissus are those with viridiflorus blood, I think. Not many real "daff" types green.
Janis Ruksans has/had a Section2 large cup with perianth wwg ( whit white green) corona gww ( green white white) . ???
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Thanks, Maggie, that's really helpful. I know the description for Rip van Winkle mentions green tinged margins but none of the actual pictures show anything like the amount of green that the daffodil I saw had. It would hardly be suprising if the older varieties had not managed to produce some interesting variants over the years so maybe I saw a selected extra-green variant of Rip van Winkle?
Does anybody specialise in older narcissi, say pre 20th century? I prefer the older forms.
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Interesting that DaffSeek page shows condsdierable variation in forms of this venerable oldie.....
http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=Telamonius%20Plenus&lastpage=1&which=hist1
Thanks for that link showing the range of forms Maggi. Previous pictures of Van Sion I'd seen didn't match the forms common here in hedgerows and around old gardens or farmhouses. The second pic top left is what we usually have here, and especially when peeping out among new growth in a hedgerow it can look lovely, even elegant.
However gourmand pheasants passing through the garden sample narcissus petals as they go, creating 'unique' new forms all the time :P
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I don't have N. rupicola but it really look's like N. assoanus except the foliage wich I found a bit large...
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i bought some bulbs last season as N.cyclamenius 'Mite' but they have flowered as another species, dissapointed of course as i awaited the reflexing flowers of mite (which could be a hybrid reading somewhere?) -
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/robsorchids/Picture001-1.jpg)
can anyone tell me what species it is? it has single flowers i know of N.rupicola and N.assoanus but i am unsure as to what species it is out of the two (both of which are for sale at the same nursery.
thanks
rob
Now isn't that odd. I bought some bulbs of Narcissus assoanus but they turned out to be Mite! ???
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I bought 'Mitzy' in 2007 but in spring 2008 all bulbs were different. When I pointed out the error the answer was "you mixed them up" I havent bought from her again
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Rob bought the Narcissus Mite from our nursery last September that are flowering as assoanus/rupicola. David, did you get the assoanus from us also?? I suspect we have mixed labels somewhere.
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I don't have N. rupicola but it really look's like N. assoanus except the foliage wich I found a bit large...
On the basis of flowers & the appearance of the foliage, I would guess N. rupicola, especially if the foliage is more-or-less glaucous. What I have as N. assoanus has slender, rounded, green foliage.
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Rob bought the Narcissus Mite from our nursery last September that are flowering as assoanus/rupicola. David, did you get the assoanus from us also?? I suspect we have mixed labels somewhere.
Yes I did Rob. I contacted you just to let you know but I was quite happy with the Mite.
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Some Daffodils from today
1. Narcissus bulbocodium ex Morocco - completely hardy outside
2. N. bulbocodium ex Morocco - a fine seedling
3. N. bulbocodium - a smaller Spanish form
4.+5. a hybrid found between N. asturiensis - father unknown ???
6. for comparism - the N. asturiensis mother
Gerd
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I suspect a bulbocodium type such as hedraeanthus. It's cute. :)