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SRGC Shows and Events => Events => Topic started by: Rob on April 21, 2007, 06:53:07 PM
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Hi All
I went to the Midland AGS show at Knowle, Solihull today.
Robin White of Blackthorn Nursery won one of the classes with a daphne, but when I took its photo the name isn’t visible so I was wondering why they don’t include the plant’s name on the card?
Also the sales area was up some stairs, which I’m too old to manage, so I missed out on buying any gems for the garden.
Some photos below:
Daphne
Anemonella thalictroides
Fritillaria liliacea
Iris reichenbachii
Iris suaveolens
Paeonia cambessedesii
Pleione britannia doreen
Pleione formosana
Primula wharfdale buttercup
Regards,
Rob
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Lovely pictures Rob, thanks for posting.
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Rob, the reason that the plant name cannot be put on the card is that most exhibitors do not know until the morning of the show which plants will be in which classes.... for instance, I might have two Daphnes and I don't know until the last minute which is the best, so I may have had a plan to put one in this class and one in another, say with two other plants to make a three pan entry....I want to decide which plant goes best with the others on the day, state of flowering etc. to make a balanced entry. That might be the case with other plants, too, so how would I know which name to put on the card? There is no way the show secretary could know which plants were going to appear in any one class in advance, so the name could not be printed on the card along with the exhibitor's name etc when the card is prepared. That would leave individual exhibitors to write the plant names on the cards before judging... there is seldom time to do that and I know from my own experience, that, while I might, taking time at home, make an effort to make the label legible, the chances of anyone being able to read a name I scrawled in haste on a show card are pretty slim! And what about the six pan classes, there would be no room on the card for all those names.
The rules are that a plant should bear a label with its name, on a label placed in the pot horizontally so as to be able to be easily read. Personally, I interpret this to mean that either the label should sit neatly at the front of the plant, for easiest access for the viewer to see, or, if one feels that that would spoil the look of the plant, then the label needs to be at the back of the plant, but raised up sufficiently to allow it to be read. A note to exhibitors failing to adhere to this seems reasonable. Incorrect naming, by the way, is no disqualification... if a plant has no name or if the exhibitor queries the name he has on the plant, the judges should try to give their opinion as to the correct name. This is quite often done.
Hope this helps you with your question and any others who might ponder the case if incorrectly named plants on the show benches.
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I'm so glad to see photographs, Rob. I had hoped to go, but the clutch pedal on my car went yesterday in the late afternoon, which scuppered all my plans :'( :'(
Chloë
temporarily in Kew
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Hi Maggi
Thanks for the explanation. I hadn’t thought about six pan classes. I expect the label on the daphne was at the back of the pot, I should have taken a notepad to scribble down names.
Here are some orchids:
Calanthe bicolour
Calanthe sieboldii
Cymbidium goeringii
Cypripedium formosanum
Pleione sp
Pleione tongariro jackdaw
Regards,
Rob
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Chloë, what bad luck, you must be rather annoyed!
I am very partial to Calanthes, they are super plants and I love to see these happy healthy show specimens. If I were going to mount a lightning raid to steal one of these plants, it would be for the Cymbidium goeringii.... I just LOVE this plant and I have never seen them offered... mind you, I am notthe expereinced trawler of plant lists that some of my chums are, so for all I know there are lots of nurseries out there offering it... I tend to wait till I see the actual plant... I am not a big mail order buyer of plants. Thanks for the pix, Rob, so enjoying my virtual visit south!
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Many thanks for the fine images Rob.
A very pleasant show at Solihull and so pleasing to see forum members doing so well on the benches.
You know who you are and many congratulations!!
Apologies for any repetition Rob....I will just troll through my batch of images until my poor index finger gives up the fight.
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Batch two...after a few sips of tea.....
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....Not enough sugar....post a few more....
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...And perhaps a tot of the amber nectar....
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....Might as well finish the bottle....
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....We mushhhhttt havv a botttle left from Chrissimassss.....Whoopppeeeee....
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...And finally, before I fall on the floor....
A wonderful Farrer Medal for Brian and Jo Walker with this magnificent Daphne petraea...
Congratulations to all the exhibitors (and yes Diane ....your prize winners were superb).
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Come on you AGS folk....let's have some more images from Solihull Show....please!
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Here are a few more
Arisaema Thunbergii Urashima
The Farrer Daphne Petrae Grandiflora
Rhododendron Dendrocharis a prize winner for Dianne Clement
Another prize winner and what I thought was the most stunning plant at the show Cassiope Lycopodiodes Gracilis Thousands of flowers not a dud in sight and more to come. Also a close up
Finally Rhodo Primuliflorum Doker La
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I love Diane's Rhododendron dendrocharis .
The Cassiope is a huge cracker, though I like to see the calyces showing red, this colour is lost quite quickly when the plants are under glass.
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Maggi I don't grow this Cassiope variety are you saying that outdoors the calyces are red on this one?
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Yes, Ian, outdoors the calyces are a nice red. There are some types that have paler calyces, with just a hint of red, there are some of those in Gothenburg that I've seen photos of, but most of the cassiopes with a red/bronze calcyx will fade it pretty quick indoors. The fabulous plant shown at Solihull has spent some time indoors, going by the very pale colour of the calyx. This was to protect it from the weather, I expect, unless the exhibitor always grows it under glass, which seems strange, since it is hardy enough. I would think it is a case of pre-show protection for safety!
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I hope last night's postings didn't leave you with too much of a hangover Cliff ! ;)
Thanks a lot to you and Ian for letting us be at the show !!! :D
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Many thanks Ian....I knew you were out there somewhere. Sorry we didn't get a chance for a proper chat at the show, so many photos to take and so many friends to catch up with and SO many plants, books and seeds to buy.
I appreciate the kind comments Luc.
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Maggie, I thought that this subspecies gracilis DOES have green calyces ???
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Maybe you are right , Diane, I certainly thought ssp.gracilis had the red also. Quite prepared to be wrong, it won't be the first time :o
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OK, I'll attempt to find some pics not previously shown. Firstly, thanks to all for kind words about my Rhododendron. I was actually a steward in the hall and desperately trying NOT to look like I was trying to hear the judges and surreptiously count all those hands going up in the air to vote. I was so excited about the award, I haven't really recovered yet. Oh dear, must get a life I suppose ::) ::) ::)
Oh, some pics
Cyclamen rhodium vividum
Cyclamen creticum
both shown by Ian Robertson who brought a truckload of superb cyclamen
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To continue ...
Daphne cneorum pygmaea album
Daphne petraea Lydora
Pieris japonica Sarabande (a super garden plant with me, this one grown by Harry Roberts)
Viola dephinantha (one of these made its way from Robin White's stall back home with me, not for the first time, will try and keep it alive this time)
a 3-pan from John Dixon including Primula bracteata and Dionysia diapensiifolia
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And a few from behind the scenes
Setting up the show the day before
and waiting for the plants ...
general view of the show
and my car waiting to be unloaded with now famous rhodie front right of pic. Caption competition this week for this one. OK, I've already had "a Safe-way to transport plants to the show" you got to do better than that ;D
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How about.....
'Car boot sale....returns department'
Sorry Di....you can kick me on Saturday at Harrogate!!!
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The piccies are excellent (and congratulations again on the adulation that Saturday inspired)>
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Cliff
I'm surprised that there were any piccies left for us to show after your gargantuan efforts. Just goes to show how many plants were on display in spite of a major AGS conference weekend clashing with the Midland show
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Cliff and Diane,
An excellent report on the show and fabulous photographs. Indeed, viewing online has the great benefit of being able to view the plants at great leisure and to return to them as often as required. Many thanks for such a thorough photographic report.
A question/comment, if I may:
I find it difficult to see why plants which can be better grown in open ground in the garden are so regularly given awards when presented pot-grown at a show.
For example, I'm sure many have seen a pot of daffodils given an award at a show and realise that this is quite an ordinary plant to grow and indeed this is especially so when the pot looks like the bulbs could have been bought the previous autumn, potted up and presented at a show the following spring. Growing them and presenting them was hardly a challenge to the horticultural abilities of the grower so I fail to see why an award should be given to such a plant.
Perhaps I have oversimplified my comment yet I am convinced that I have seen many plants receive awards when the plants would have been better grown if planted in the garden and not in a pot and feel that growing them in a pot does not in fact show them being grown well.
On the other hand, I have seen many exceptional plants presented at shows and appropriately recognised and awarded. These for me are the plants which could not have been grown other than in a pot and in the shelter of a glasshouse or bulb frame and would no thrive in the open garden. Success with these difficult to grow plants certainly deserves recognition.
Hopefully, I shall be able to attend the show in Dublin on Saturday next and expect to see many exceptional plants and unfortunately others which do not deserve bench space not to mention an award.
Paddy
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Hi
I’d like to add my thanks to Cliff for his fantastic show reports.
I found three last plants which I don’t think have been posted yet
Arisaema sikokianum
Leucojum nicaeenis
Sedum humifusum
Following from Paddy’s comment, is there any etiquette about posting pictures.
Not being a regular at the shows, I don’t know which the exceptional plants are, from those which do better in the garden.
Regards,
Rob
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Paddy, In some ways I agree with you, and in some ways I don't (that's a classic bit of fence sitting ;)) I think there are a number of different aspects to Shows. Firstly for the experts able to show their skills with difficult to cultivate plants and thereby for us novices to aspire to those skills. Equally there does seem to me to be a need for a venue where, allbeit with easier plants, the novice can practice his or her skills and allow those skills to develop. To-days novice, tomorrows expert!
Perhaps the second aspect of Shows, and arguably of equal importance, is the "Public Show". Clubs such as ours and the AGS would find it very difficult to continue solely on the basis of member's subscriptions. Shows do bring in the general public, and revenue, and it is important that they are able to see a wide range of plants, rather than sparse benches with plants they would rarely be able to see or obtain outside the Show Hall. I still like to think, when I have been to a Show, that " I have one at home better than that" or indeed one in the garden better than that. I still think there is room for a pot of well grown Daffs as there needs to be for a fiendishly difficult Androsace.
Rob, I don't think there is an etiquette about posting pictures, apart from conforming to size norms, and this Forum would not be as successful, or indeed pleasant to be a member of if there were. Most of us like to see a wide range of Show plants if only to compare them with our own stuff. Also it's of great benefit to those who, for reasons of geography, work requirements, lethargy or age are unable to get to many Shows.
Here endeth the Epistle!! ;D
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Goodness Rob,
Don't be put off by my comments. I am delighted to see all the photographs and I'm sure the other people who use this forum are also. What a convenience it is to be able to see photographs from the various shows around the country without leaving the comfort of home. Of course, the plants would be better 'in the flesh' but I, for one, am not able to travel to see them and am most grateful to have yourself and the others post the photographs here. It is a great way to see many many plants I would never otherwise see.
My comments are just my wondering how the plants are judged. It baffles me first of all why people grow plants in pots when they would grow perfectly well in the garden and it also baffles me why such plants would receive awards at the shows when their growing was no particular achievement.
I don't begrudge the exhibitors the awards; it's just that I don't understand the standards which apply.
Please keep posting your photographs. I certainly enjoy looking at them all and many thanks for going to the effort.
Paddy
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David,
Your epistle has been read and has been met with general agreement. I understand that the novice needs to be encouraged and there is no doubt that I would fit into that category and without such encouragement no club or society would develop. Equally, your comment re raising funds makes perfect sense and is a necessity.
It is the judging and the bestowing of awards which mystifies me.
Rushing off now to do a bit of work elsewhere.
Many thanks for your reply.
Paddy
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Rob, you post away with whatever plants you like. If you find a plant attractive or interesting in any way, then the chances are that other folks do too, so that is a valuable contribution to the forum, thank you!
While we are only too pleased to have pages filled with the rare and difficult alpines, you will see that such pages are not too plentiful on this forum... by this I mean the "classic" "alpines" like Eritrichium nanum, the Ranunculus (with leaves like a tiny caulifower, whose name escapes me) or the most difficult cushions, like Dionysias....while we get occasional pix, mostly from the shows, it seems that the folks who grow those to the wonderful standard of the shows are singularly backward in coming forward to display the plants and their skills and secrets, to a wider audience. That is the point, I suspect, there are many who , having found the "secret" are bound and determined to keep it a secret!
All the more reason to applaud and encourage those experts who do share their experiences freely on this forum, to the benefit of all others who care to read it.
I would second David's comments pretty wholeheartedly, but, since there is room on his fence, (even after most of it blew away in the winter gales, if you remember!) I will say that I understand Paddy's view, but I believe David hits most ofthe nails on the head as regards show and their place in the club.
To emphasis D's point about the need to bring on new exhibitors: it would be very discouraging for those folks if they had to leap into showing only with the rare and difficult... not only might they not have the expertise as yet to grow these plants, but, in most cases, how/where would they have obtained such gems? Also, it MUST be remembered, and this point is important to be remembered by judges, also, that in MOST classes, there are very few points available for rarity or difficulty in cultivation.Except in the special classes for those categories, the percentage of points that make up the total awarded are vastly in favour of health, character and CONDITION of the plant. There are, of course, also classes for plants grown in/ lifted from the open ground... this is to even the playing field a bit for those without glass houses etc. and to allow for a natural effect in a plant.
Hope some of this is helpful reading to someone!
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I was chatting to an old chap at an Auricula Show last Saturday (forgot to take my camera-again!!) who told me that in his early growing days all of his Auriculas were grown in open ground and potted up for showing-" and they were better plants for it than some of the weak stemmed things you see on the benches today" he said.
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I can well believe that from the point of view of sturdy plants, David, but how did they keep the farina on the plants?
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Hi Maggi
‘All the more reason to applaud and encourage those experts who do share their experiences freely on this forum, to the benefit of all others who care to read it.’
I agree with your comment.
Seeing Anthony Darby share his experience on Cypripediums has encouraged me to get some of my own.
Coming back to judging, would a plant grown from JJA seed get more points than one from the garden centre?
Regards,
Rob
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a plant grown from JJA seed get more points than one from the garden centre?
Well, Rob, subject to the criteria I listed above, no, it shouldn't... but Judges are only human and some suffer a little from plant snobbery, so the chances are that yes, it would! A good show secretary should be on the lookout for signs of bias etc and, while "the judges' decision is final"... that is supposing they are sticking to the rules, too!! I can hear sharp intakes of breath as some folks read my comments... I'll be getting "drummed out of the Brownies" for exposing secrets of the shows! Too bad, I believe in
open-ness and explanation... the "freedom of information", if you like!
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Paddy,
I managed to enter 10 plants at Perth Show, they were all dug from the open garden and potted up between 1 and 7 days before the show. Admittedly they weren't as pristine condition as those grown in pots so I think I will be struggling when I have to move out of the novice classes. The rules do state that the judges should not discriminate between those plants grown in the open ground and those grown in pots, I don't know how they can tell though.
The problem is judging when to dig them ???. But a lot easier to grow them this way for most people.
Rhododendrons and conifers I would be easier this way.
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I'll throw in my thoughts on this one. As Maggi says, there are classes for easy plants and classes for difficult plants, and classes for combinations and groups of plants. That makes it more fun as lots of different people can have a go and enter. I don't think an easy pot of hybrid narcissus or similar would often win an show award. Of course, it might win a class for hybrid narcissus, but it would probably not win a class for narcissus which included species narcissus, all other things being equal! A mixed pot of Fritillaria meleagris lifted from the ground (where they doubtless looked superb) would not beat a pot grown single clone which had been painstakingly bulked up for years. The big awards are voted for by all 12 judges so at least you should get a fair decision.
I agree that shows are the shop window of the big societies and other specialist groups and they do show the public and non-showing members what is possible to grow and also what is impossible, although the general public do not know the difference and go round with their notebooks, carefully writing down Dionysia and Eritrichium ...
Pots versus open ground is a matter of choice and personal situation. Some excellent showers do grow entirely in pots, but there's no way I could manage that. So, I grow quite a lot of my show plants, including all my rhododendrons, in the garden. I try to lift them a fortnight or so before the show to get the best results. As Susan says, the timing is difficult and a lot of care is then needed while they are in pots to keep them looking good. Many times I have looked at a plant in the garden which looks superb and so I lift it with the intention of showing it. But when it's in a pot, many leaves and flowers have blemishes which are not obvious in the open ground but would be on a show bench. It's not easy!
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I think there is a point in that it should not be possible to "buy" a trofy by "filling a pot with expensive bulbs" that might not be hard to grow just to come by.
A good looking pot of a spices narcisus of 20 bought for 10£ each should maybe not be granted a big trofy just by being exclusive (acording to a fair game). If I understand the rules that Maggi explained then they should not be treated better than the more comon things, but then again, they look good due to the good material bought. That is a tricky one.
For orchids they have rules that the orchid showed must have been grown for x month and that the flower must have come during Your care and hence You are supposed to be involved in the growing. For many bulbs it is the last years grower that should have the price rather than the one putting them in a pot and just "go with the flow".
Then again people might like to see somthing different so it is not easy. Many of the double hybrids of narcissus looks more "exclusive" then some of the spieces to a beginner (me) even if the fisrt can be bought in a good gardencenter and the second only at specialist nurseries.
I love seeing pretty flower and I myself would love to go to a show and see what they have.
There are very few plant shows in Sweden and even fewer participants in the show so maybe one should try to enter one????
Sorry for the too long talk but it is a tricky subject wit many different parameters
Joakim
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David, Maggi, Diane, Susan,
Many thanks for your replies, greatly appreciated and I am now far better informed than I was earlier today. I am not really familiar with the show rules and regulations and find an interpretation of the awards somewhat challenging when I see them.
Regarding the plants, I enjoy seeing a well grown plant whether is it an everyday one or a rarity, a readily available narcissus cultivar or a rare species nurtured over years. Of course, the rarer plants do have the attraction of novelty and attract great attention at a show as is only to be expected.
Also, I admire the lengths you all go to when preparing plants for display and thank you for it.
Keep showing and keep showing your photographs on the site. Both activities bring great enjoyment.
Paddy
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In line with Joakim's comment, last weekend I was in a local 'Homebase' store and saw the most fabulous pots of Iris winogradowii, with up to ten fully open blooms in each pot and this priced at €14. If there had been a show the following day I reckon I would have won some award or other. I imagine the occasional (sorry, very rarely) plant appears at a show which came from this type of cultivation.
Paddy
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Homebase selling Iris winogradowii?! :o There should be a law against that! ::)
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Anthony,
Hard to imagine it but that was the case.
Paddy
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In line with Joakim's comment, last weekend I was in a local 'Homebase' store and saw the most fabulous pots of Iris winogradowii, with up to ten fully open blooms in each pot and this priced at €14. If there had been a show the following day I reckon I would have won some award or other. I imagine the occasional (sorry, very rarely) plant appears at a show which came from this type of cultivation.
Paddy
There is a rule that you have to have owned the plant for 6 months prior to the show.
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Paddy, I hope you bought some!
There is a rule that all plants shown must have been grown by the exhibitor for at least six months prior to the show. In practice very few people do cheat by using the dubious methods Paddy fears to be rife... we judges might sometimes appear blind, but we're no' daft a'thegither! Occasionally, of course, someone might show a young seedling in a "difficult" class.... seldom seen one younger than six months, though, and one hardly ever sees the annual versions of any of the mountain flowers on the show benches, either, so that's not a problem.
To an experienced eye, it is easy to spot a plant which is not "kosher", so to speak.... the rhodoendron in a class for "grown in the open ground" which has the telltale faded colour to its flowers from having been indoors for a fortnight! (Some shows have a rule which states that plants in such classes must have been lifted within ten days of the show.) The few bulbs, all to neatly arranged in the pot.... that is why many judges like to see evidence of offsets, frit rice, or seedlings in a pot of bulbs to show it is an established pot. Others, of course, prefer the evenly spaced, ultra neat look, so there is opportunity for all to try and to succeed!
If , for instance, Paddy, you had tried to pass off a bought pot of Iris winogradowii ina show, you would likely have been found out... if you did not repot the plant, then it would bear the characteristic, "nursey pot2 look... hard to explain, but tangible, none the less..if you re-potted it, it would look like you had just repotted it, it is well nigh impossible to do that without upsetting the flowers and no-one who had grown the bulbs would repot before a show, so again you have given yourself away! I'm not saying no-one ever cheats, but when they do they are mostly found out and those who indulge in any shady practices are known and just quietly despised for their poor behaviour. The vast majority of exhibitors are working like dogs day and night to perfect their plants and put on a super display, we must not be put off by the odd pot-hunter with a fetish for silver polish... for sometimes they are the ones with the best plants, so everybody wins!!
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Oh Maggi,
PLEASE, you have taken my up incorrectly - or I should say that I haven't expressed myself clearly. I most certainly do not think that cheating is rife within the show scene. For that matter, I don't imagine it is a common occurrence. My posting about the Iris winogradowii was only in follow up to Joakim's comments. I didn't buy the iris by the way.
My original posting was along the lines that I have seen plants at shows which in my mind did not deserve to be given any recognition for their cultivation - the pot of narcissus cultivars which bear the hallmarks of being put in as a pot of newly purchased bulbs the previous autumn or plants which had failed to grow well in a pot as they were plants which really needed to be grown in open ground to be seen at their best. This had made me wonder what the guidelines on judging were or what standards were applied.
Why did I say anything? I feel that I have trodden on toes here and that wasn't my intention at all. Apologies to anyone with bruised corns. I shall come and massage them, pour soothing oils on them while on obsequiously bent knees, all the time begging for forgiveness.
Paddy
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Worry not, Paddy, no harm done, is there? I think you raise points that are interesting to many people and I trust that some light has been shed on the workings of a show. I have often heard comment such as yours made and they are worthy of comment.
Can't think why you didn't buy some of the Iris at that price... such a bargain!
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Firstly, wonderful pics from everyone, almost a marathon effort. And the subsequent discussion is very interesting indeed. Worth another read, and taking on board by exhibitors, organizers, judges etc.
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Absolutely wonderful pictures of all the plants. Congratulations to all growers (and photographers)!! I will pour over them at greater leisure when I get back to Portugal and don't have to share an internet connection with my sister.
I think I am almost more annoyed at having missed out on the wonderful opportunity to have seen these plants in the flesh (let alone seed/book/plant temptations) than at having had to fork out a decent amount of pounds on a new clutch :'( Having been carless for 4 days has rather cut down on my garden visiting, but I'll try to fit in a few more things until I leave on Sunday.
Chloë
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This group of threads about shows is terrific. I'm learning so much about what makes a good plant and am getting so much pleasure from growing plants and sharing experiences. A real buzz 8)! Role on Milgavie. :)
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I most certainly do not think that cheating is rife within the show scene. For that matter, I don't imagine it is a common occurrence.
Cheating!!! At national shows??
Thought I might enter this in the New or Rare Class at Harrogate this weekend....Anyone put a name to this gem please?
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Ah, Cliff, a rare gem indeed... I don't know anyone else growing the fiendishly difficult Gentiana rhodoflora... what is your feeding regime for this excellent flowering? I have heard that danish pastries are beneficial ?
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Cliff,
Definitely worth a Farrer Medal, great plant.
Paddy
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I thought it was called Cliffia ridiculosa! Now don't forget you owe me a little seed, Mr Booker. :D
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Proof everybody.....you can't fool these judges!! Though it wasn't a particularly SERIOUS attempt.
Lesley, Lesley, Lesley....would I EVER forget you or your generosity? I am just waiting for a reply from a more southerly grower about some seeds and I will be in touch......please watch this space.
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Now don't forget you owe me a little seed, Mr Booker. :D
I thought Lesley was after some seed of the cross generic Gentiana rhodoflora ;D
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I was Diane but I suspect he'll be keeping that all to himself. Let's face it, it will be worth a major fortune!
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Major seed houses have already been in touch, but they all want something with a little more colour!
By the way.....(Isn't it annoying when a spell check underlines a word like COLOUR....even when you KNOW it is right).
Hope to see some of you at the AGS Show at Harrogate tomorrow...might take the camera.
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We all pray that you do take the camera Cliff !!!! ;D
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I shall be there Cliff. The first show I've been to. Camera at the ready.
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Oh, Mick, are you in for a treat!?! Have a great day and we'll look forward to the photos.
I'm off up to Inverness tomorrow, for a day out by train, to judge the local Inverness Group show with Mike Hopkins. Perhaps therewill be some pix from there, too... and maybe some from David Shaw later, too. This isn't a "full" SRGC show, it has been run as a purely local show for some years tho' I believe other garden groups are invited to enter. This will be my first visit, so I am eager to get there.
The Inverness Show will be held in the Old High Church, Academy Street, Inverness on Saturday 28th April, open from 12.30 to 15.30pm.
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Hope you have a superb day Mick. The weather looks good so the crowds should be huge. Just a note of warning sir for when you take your images in the alpine marquee....the show benches bounce, the floors bounce, the pots bounce and the foliage and flowers shake like aspens in the fall. Every shot has to coincide with a lull in foot traffic...you could be there for WEEKS! Hope to spot you in the melee....it will be like the January sales at Edinburgh Botanics!! No doubt young Diane Clement and old Martin Rogerson will be there so please introduce yourself to us all.
Thanks Luc....I will take some shots just for you...though they may well be blurred (see above).
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I'm quite confident your steady hand will do the trick Cliff... ::)
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I'll keep an eye out for you all. It will be nice to meet people off the forum face to face.
Will try and move in time with the foot traffic and click at the suitable moment.
Wife and I are looking forward to a good day and all the best if you are showing something tomorrow.