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Title: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 01, 2009, 03:16:15 AM
Folks,

I thought I'd start this month off with a nice form of Arum dioscoridis that I obtained with the name 'spectabile'.

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: galahad on November 01, 2009, 06:15:14 AM
Very nice.  I have yet to flower the one I have (from you I believe)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 01, 2009, 07:44:35 PM
I have some young ones from you Andrew, not flowered yet but years ago when my mother grew it (I think we imported it from Col. Mars in Surrey) the ground colour was light yellow and the spotting black. Seems it varies therefore. What I chiefly remember was the stench, and the fact that neighbours complained about the drains when it was in flower. Like Schultz, my mother and I "knew nothing."
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 02, 2009, 06:06:31 AM
Wachendorfia thyrsiflora, is quite easy to grow, smetimes it can be too easy, forming large clumps and producing numerous self-sown seedlings.
It flowers for a long time from spring until summer, producing an abundance of golden yellow flowers on erect stems.
Do you still grow these Wachendorfias en mass along your drive Paul?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 02, 2009, 06:44:59 AM
Just a few more close-ups of those spidery Hippeastrum named  hybrids between H.cybister, H.aulicum and H.papilio.
Quite spectacular when in flower, a very welcome, and beautiful additions for the hippy addict.
Hippeastrum La Paz
Hippeastrum Rio Nigro
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 02, 2009, 07:09:23 AM
Another beautiful tree flowering at the moment is our own native Kowhai the exquisite Sophora tetraptera.
Regarded as our national flower, the beautiful golden-yellow flowers can be seen troughout the country.
Tuis and other native birds love the nectar. Kowhai are easy to grow, being tolerant to most conditions.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 02, 2009, 07:27:07 AM
Oooh, Bill.  I have been looking for those for ages.

Ross, depending on their increase, (recently imported) we might be able to organise something, keep reminding me.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: galahad on November 02, 2009, 07:31:57 AM
Will do
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 02, 2009, 08:05:54 AM
Sorry about the last few postings, they are still stuck in the October folder/forum. (senior moments :-[ :( >:()
Is it possible to put them in the "November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere" forum Maggi please?  Thanks.


Otherwise go and have a look, will post here from now on, must remember next time.

edit by maggi: you're welcome!
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 02, 2009, 08:55:11 AM
A dainty, dwarf, double Rhodohypoxis flowering at the moment, something different from the normal single flowering plant.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 02, 2009, 09:17:23 AM
As I mentioned before, I am really getting interested in the Irises, but hate when people give/swap me bulbs or rhizomes with no names.
Could someone please identify these irises? Thanks,
Bill
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 02, 2009, 11:41:44 AM
Sorry about the last few postings, they are still stuck in the October folder/forum. (senior moments :-[ :( >:()
Is it possible to put them in the "November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere" forum Maggi please?  Thanks.
Otherwise go and have a look, will post here from now on, must remember next time.

I thought you southern hemisphere folks were AHEAD of us, Bill, not behind??? ;) ;D ;D

I've rounded  up your stragglers! ..... and now, some time later... I've rounded up my own!  :-[Sorry, Bill and John W, for isolating your Wachendorfia pic and comment!
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: johnw on November 02, 2009, 11:52:59 AM
Wachendorfia thyrsiflora, is quite easy to grow, smetimes it can be too easy,

Bill - I have tried to grow this one on countless occassions. It grows well but dies in the cool greenhouse during the winter - every time.

Have tried drier and moister - and intermediate -  in the winter but down they go.  Lovely red roots though before they rot.

Any suggestions?

johnw

Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 02, 2009, 07:10:28 PM
Bill, the iris is I. foetidissima and is actually a prohibited plant, i.e. you aren't allowed to have it on your property (but many of us have!) because the beautiful opened seed pods full of large bright red seeds, are highly toxic. There is a perceived danger to children in particular. Grow it but be discreet about it. :-\ Having said that, it is probably the least attractive of all irises.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: galahad on November 02, 2009, 08:44:50 PM
Trillium erectum
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 03, 2009, 01:17:00 AM
Some flowers now out:
Ornithogalum arabicum, with sage
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A white moraea which is possibly M. cedarnontana,
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The dazzling Genista lydia
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A Western Australian shrub, Verticordia (not sure of the species, possibly chrysantha)
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Triteleia hyacinthina can spread a bit, but looks lovely this time of year,
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A new one from seed (thanks to Jane McGary) is T. bridgesii
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An old favourite is the yellow T.ixioides, just starting here,
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 03, 2009, 01:39:22 AM
I already posted these on the Calochortus thread, but in case you haven't read that here are Calochortus luteus
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and C. superbus
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 03, 2009, 05:34:21 AM
Great stuff, Fermi.  I love the Verticordia.  8)

Bill,

The double Rhodohypoxis is different isn't it.  I must say I rather like it.  I've seen pics before of doubles up in the northern hemisphere, but not anywhere down south.  The single ones are doing brilliantly here at the moment, although not on the display of yours en mass of course.  ;D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lvandelft on November 03, 2009, 07:15:06 AM
I already posted these on the Calochortus thread, but in case you haven't read that here are Calochortus luteus
cheers
fermi
Fermi, another new topic I missed already again. ::) ::)
Love these Calochortus flowers!
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 03, 2009, 07:49:18 AM
Ross and Lesley both said something along the lines of...

> I have some young ones from you Andrew...

I have 3 or 4 different clones (of A. dioscoridis).  My Arums have had a bad year though so I suspect 'spectabile' will be the only one to flower.  I plan on doing a major re-pot of my Arum spp/forms once they go dormant.

As far as Iris foetidissima goes, I saw some at work today. People have been planting odd things in to the garden there for years, there's mostly natives but with some nice clumps of Clivia and so on (including some Dracunculus vulgaris) scattered around the place...

PS:  Lesley, I still have at least one pot of Weldenia doing well. :)

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 03, 2009, 10:01:41 AM
Bill - I have tried to grow this one on countless occassions. It grows well but dies in the cool greenhouse during the winter - every time.
Have tried drier and moister - and intermediate -  in the winter but down they go.  Lovely red roots though before they rot.
Any suggestions?  johnw
John, I am not sure what you are doing wrong, I am not doing anything special, We grow our Wachendorfia thyrsiflora, in a sunny, well drained spot in the garden, with plenty of seedlings coming up everywhere, not always were we want them.
Perhaps you should try our fertile, free flowering seeds next time, I will have about a million seed to spare later  ;D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 03, 2009, 07:44:34 PM
Is the Wachendorfia hardy Bill, say to -6 or -7C?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 03, 2009, 07:45:10 PM
Your white Moraea is a lovely thing Fermi. :)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 03, 2009, 07:52:48 PM
Paul, the double Rhodohypoxis are all, (I believe) bred in New Zealand, or were in the first place. There may be northern forms now. They came from Terry Hatch (now retired) at Pukekohe near Auckland. His 'Kiwi Girl' is a good red and at least a few people in the UK have it but I've never seen it here. 'Bright Eyes' (which I think is Bill's) doesn't always perform well, the buds refusing to open properly. It may be a climate thing, and Bill's warmer climate (than mine) has produced a better result.

Terry had some odd notions about plants, including the plants he bred himself. The double Rhododhypoxis were mostly sent to the NH and not made available here. The fabulous dwarf Nerines which came from my friend June Keeley of Timaru, were sent to Terry on June's death. But he was breeding bigger and bigger forms and, I was told, couldn't be bothered with the smaller forms and dumped the lot. A lot of angry southerners over that, having watched June's work over many years.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: johnw on November 03, 2009, 09:16:12 PM
But he was breeding bigger and bigger forms and, I was told, couldn't be bothered with the smaller forms and dumped the lot. A lot of angry southerners over that, having watched June's work over many years.

And now more than a few northeners can be added to that list.

Just out the door to hear our guest lecturer from Vancouver, Philip MacDougall on The Fractured Garden - Asian plants and their North American counterparts.  Hope to see shots of the many great plants he collected seed of in Hokkaido and Taiwan this past September, some new to cultivation.

johnw
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 04, 2009, 10:23:32 AM
Is the Wachendorfia hardy Bill, say to -6 or -7C?
Lesley, I am afraid you'd be struggling; Wachendorfia thyrsiflora do best if grown frost-free but can withstand light frost of short duration, but not the heavy -6 or -7 C or more frosts you do experience down south.
You'd be more than welcome to some seed later, if you're willing to take the risk.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 04, 2009, 10:58:28 AM
While Fermi has mentioned the Triteleia, we have a Brodiaea elegans and Dichelostemma multiflorum in flower at the moment.
The genus Brodiaea, mainly native to North America, has undergone considerable revision by the botanist over the years, and many species previously placed under Brodiaea are now regarded as belonging to other genera such as Triteleia, Dichelostemma  and Ipheion.
Dichelostemma multiflorum
Brodiaea elegans
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 04, 2009, 11:40:56 AM
Nice colours, Bill.  Looks like the Dichelostemma multiflora has good sized flowerheads?  I must check up on my ida-maia, which is the only Dichelostemma that I grow.  I haven't noticed it this spring, so that doesn't bode well for it.  :o  I like the Brodieas, Tritelias and Dichelostemmas, but only grow a few (but I grow lots of different Ipheions).  I think more a case of not seeing them available rather than avoiding them or anything.  Thanks for the pics.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 04, 2009, 07:26:58 PM
Well sure, I'll take the risk Bill, if you have plenty seed. The whole of life's a risk, it seems to me. ;D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 05, 2009, 10:55:44 AM
Wurmbea recurva is an attrative South African species which flower in spring.
It has recurving leaves about 15 cm tall and flower stems 15-20 cm tall.
These carry up to 40 dark purplish black flowers, which are vanilla scented.
The second picture is a Spiloxene capensis, which makes a stunning show on a bright day when the flowers open in the sun.
The flowers usually have iridescent dark brown/purplish or peacock-blue central eyes.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 05, 2009, 12:46:17 PM
The Spyloxene is awesome Bill !!  :o :o
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 05, 2009, 05:50:25 PM
Both look fascinating Bill
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Gerdk on November 05, 2009, 07:07:02 PM
Bill,
Im so fond of the Spyloxene. Never saw a living plant here in Germany. Is it an easy growing plant? How long does a single flower last?

Gerd
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Armin on November 05, 2009, 08:21:14 PM
Bill,
the Spyloxene is mouthwatering. Certainly it has genes of Crocus mathewii ??? ;D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paddy Tobin on November 05, 2009, 08:32:06 PM
Bill,

You are really treating us to some fabulous plants. It is a great joy to view them even if I don't grow them. Many thanks, Paddy
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Roma on November 05, 2009, 08:55:12 PM
Lovely Spiloxene, Bill.  I am so envious when I see so many wonderful southern hemisphere plants you can grow.  I used to grow a few at work but did not take many home when I retired.  Partly due to lack of space and partly due to insufficient heat for winter growers.
I grew Spiloxene capensis for many years.  It flowered twice with many years in between.

Gerd, I found the flowers lasted a few days but only opened a few hours per day - maybe 10am till 2pm. 
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 06, 2009, 02:35:26 AM
Well sure, I'll take the risk Bill, if you have plenty seed. The whole of life's a risk, it seems to me. ;D
Lesley, would you like a couple of seedlings of the Wachendorfia's packet in damp moss?
Could send them next Monday if you like Fast Post.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 06, 2009, 03:11:08 AM
That would be nice thanks Bill.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 06, 2009, 05:36:48 AM
Lesley, is this still your current postal address? How old is this label?
Drop me a PM for your current postal address please?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 06, 2009, 08:33:31 AM
Bill,   Im so fond of the Spyloxene. Never saw a living plant here in Germany. Is it an easy growing plant? How long does a single flower last?    Gerd
Gerd, good to hear from you and show an interest in these beautiful species.
As far as the cultivation of the Spiloxene species is concerned, most grow naturally in milder climates (like New Zealnd, Australia and South Africa), in slightly damp areas in full sun or semi-shade.
The flowers of the sun-loving species close each night and open before noon on warm, sunny days, they generally last for a few days, but are replaced on a regular intervals for the next few weeks.
The peacock colours of the Spliloxene capensis flowers, (sometimes called golden stars) can vary in colour, including white, golden yellow and rarely pink.
In the more colder climates, growing in a glass or greenhouse is perhaps the only way to grow these beautiful plants.
I will post a few more Spiloxene species pictures of the ones we grow.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 06, 2009, 09:10:12 AM
I am also pleased everyone is enjoying the rare and unusual flowers we grow in the SH, and get as much satisfaction posting them.
Much appreciated  :) :) :)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 06, 2009, 09:42:33 AM
Iris chrysographes (the black iris) is another stunning plant and one of my favourites.
Today the first flower opened up from seed planted 2-3 years ago.Probably the prettiest species of the subseries.
Needs sufficient moisture in the soil during the growing period.
Full sun and plenty of room are essential for good development.
A rich, slightly acid soil is ideal, but it will also grow in a slightly alkaline soil.
Basically, I. chrysographes grows better in more humid regions than in those with a dry continental climate.
Not easily photographed, hopefully will show the very dark almost black colours.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 06, 2009, 10:52:14 AM
Lesley, is this still your current postal address? How old is this label?
Drop me a PM for your current postal address please?
Sorry Lesley, just discovered your postal address in your posting last month, my apologies  :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Gerdk on November 06, 2009, 06:34:01 PM
Bill, Thank you for showing all these stunning Spiloxene species.
New to me that the genus is found in Australia and NZ also.
Do they need a dry resting periode?

Gerd
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 07, 2009, 07:36:52 AM
Lovely, Bill!  Great pics. 8)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 07, 2009, 07:51:20 AM
Quote
Iris chrysographes (the black iris) is another stunning plant and one of my favourites.

Bill, this iris is absolutely stunning, so dark, so full of deep colour but with higher tones still retaining the wonderful flowing shape - a a solitary specimen its fantastic and I wonder how effective it would be in a group?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 08, 2009, 09:01:16 PM
Lesley, is this still your current postal address? How old is this label?
Drop me a PM for your current postal address please?

I guess the label is about 12 years old Bill and though we live in the same place, the road number is different. I'l email you. Wow! did I charge $12 for a weldenia back then? A bit less now. :)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 09, 2009, 07:12:08 AM
Bill, Thank you for showing all these stunning Spiloxene species.
New to me that the genus is found in Australia and NZ also.
Do they need a dry resting periode?  Gerd
Sorry about the delay Gerd, have been away with the campervan for the weekend, fishing ann relaxing along the beach.
Anyway, we normally dry the Calochortus off, tip the containers, sort, clean and store the corms in a cool and dry place, and plant them again in the autumn when the soil cools down.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 09, 2009, 07:40:42 AM
I guess the label is about 12 years old Bill and though we live in the same place, the road number is different. I'l email you. Wow! did I charge $12 for a weldenia back then? A bit less now. :)
Don't worry about the price Lesley, must have been worth that 12 years ago, I was just joking and reminiscing with the old label.
BTW: send off your little parcel with a few small plants of Wachendorfia thyrsiflora, by fast post
Should arrive tomorrow or Wednesday. Please let us know when they arrive safe and in good health.
Price-list is coming, my wife broke her wrist, and is still in plaster, and I am hopeless in the office  :( :( :(
No jokes please  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 09, 2009, 08:16:44 AM
Its that time of the season when the calochortus are flowering again.
There is considerable diversity among the species, and most have exacting requirements for succesful cultivation.
It is important to know the natural habitat of a particular species, so that its cultural requirements may be determined.
Calochortus venustus, sometimes called the mariposa tulip is diverse and beautiful species.
The range of flower colour includes shades of pink, red, cerise, scarlet, gold, cream, lavender and bronze with various markings.
Calochortus luteus, is known variously as gold nuggets and yellow mariposa.
It is similar to Cal. venustus and has similar requirements.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 09, 2009, 08:22:12 AM
OK, two more, beautiful, not so well known Calochortus species.
Calochortus tolmiei and Calochortus momophyllus.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 09, 2009, 08:33:31 AM
Bill, this iris is absolutely stunning, so dark, so full of deep colour but with higher tones still retaining the wonderful flowing shape - a a solitary specimen its fantastic and I wonder how effective it would be in a group?
Robin, a group of these magnificent black iris I imagine would be spectacular, I will have to wait till they clump up.
Thanks for your interest, most appreciated.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: angie on November 09, 2009, 08:35:00 AM
Bill
Thanks for sharing more of your amazing plants, How I would love to live in New Zealand and be able to grow all of your plants.
Sorry to hear your wife has broken her wrist :(
Angie :)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Gerdk on November 09, 2009, 09:10:21 AM
Bill, Thank you for showing all these stunning Spiloxene species.
New to me that the genus is found in Australia and NZ also.
Do they need a dry resting periode?  Gerd
Sorry about the delay Gerd, have been away with the campervan for the weekend, fishing ann relaxing along the beach.
Anyway, we normally dry the Calochortus off, tip the containers, sort, clean and store the corms in a cool and dry place, and plant them again in the autumn when the soil cools down.

Bill, that doesn`t matter -  unbelievable during our cold and foggy november days - I would like I could change hemisphere for 3 months.
Although your Calachortus are just as nice and interesting as the Spiloxene please let me know whether the last ones need a resting periode too.

Gerd
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 09, 2009, 09:27:05 AM
Your Calochortus' look just as stunning as all your other postings Bill !
 8)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 09, 2009, 09:00:06 PM
There's no doubt that Calochortus with their often tall, thin stems, look best en masse. :)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 09, 2009, 09:34:27 PM
Four pics this morning, the first a Miniature Tall Bearded iris (Table iris) called 'New Idea' and I think this will be a very good variety as in the first place the foliage is very healthy, and the two stems on this new plant will have about 10 flowers. The foliage is short so the flowers are well above it and the flowers have something of the look of the regelia hybrid 'Vera' though I don't think there is any aril breeding here.

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Something completely different. This little plants hangs on year by year but tends to die off in small patches. It is lovely though, Asperula nitida puberula.

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And the annual pic of Ranunculus parnassifolius, a few more blooms each year. I'm hoping for some more seed as well. The first is in flower still in its seed pot, from 2007. Just one came through then a lot more came up in 2008 which is why I didn't disturb the first one.

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Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Stephen Vella on November 09, 2009, 10:47:07 PM
Lesley nice Ranunculus parnassifolius :)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 10, 2009, 08:49:55 AM
:P
And the annual pic of Ranunculus parnassifolius,


We shall never get bored of it Lesley ... and I bet Mr Buttercup won't either !  8)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 10, 2009, 10:19:18 AM
Bill, Although your Calachortus are just as nice and interesting as the Spiloxene please let me know whether the last ones need a resting periode too.   Gerd
Gerd, wheather they are the winter or summer flowering Calochortus species, I treat them the same as most other bulbs, as a rule they all appreciate a dormant dry, cool storage spell during the hottest part of the summer, before planting again in the autumn when the soil cools down, after which the cooler soil will trigger the bulbs in making rapid root growth again.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 10, 2009, 11:04:12 AM
And the annual pic of Ranunculus parnassifolius, a few more blooms each year. I'm hoping for some more seed as well. The first is in flower still in its seed pot, from 2007. Just one came through then a lot more came up in 2008 which is why I didn't disturb the first one.
Lesley, seeing your Ranunculus picture reminded me when I walked the famous, most beautiful track in the world, the magnificent Milford track, 3 years ago with my brother in November.
Has anyone on this forum ever walked this spectacular scenic rich track? A once in a lifetime experience.
Anyway here are some pictures I snapped while walking along this track.
Lesley, with your alpine knowledge, you could perhaps mention a few of the plants in the pictures. Thanks.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 10, 2009, 11:11:37 AM
Just a few more of those spidery hybrid Hippeastrum crosses between H.cybister, H.aulicum, H.papilio, and H.vittatum, flowering today.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 10, 2009, 11:37:49 AM
BTW: this is where I went for a shower, after a long exhausted 8 hour walk, cool and refreshing  ;D ;D ;D
I was standing back at least one kilometer when I snapped this picture.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Gerdk on November 10, 2009, 01:09:40 PM
Thank you for the advice Bill!

The Milford track must be dreamlike!

Gerd
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 10, 2009, 07:38:53 PM
Bill the Celmisia is perhaps C. verbascifolia and the Ourisia may be O. macrophylla but I'm NOT sure and David or Dave will know better than I. The Ranunculus is, of course, R. lyallii.

Gerd, the Milford Track is billed (sorry) as "The Most Beautiful Walk in the World" and I doubt if many would disagree. It's a stiff walk over, I think 3 days or maybe 4, staying in very good huts at night and you can either take a large back pack or have it taken for you (more expensive). Nowadays it's necessary to book maybe 2 or 3 years in advance if you want to do it at the most popular time, through late spring/summer. Fabulous plants and utterly magnificent scenery. You need to be fit but small children have done it and adults in their nineties.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Gerdk on November 10, 2009, 08:28:51 PM
Gerd, the Milford Track is billed (sorry) as "The Most Beautiful Walk in the World" and I doubt if many would disagree. It's a stiff walk over, I think 3 days or maybe 4, staying in very good huts at night and you can either take a large back pack or have it taken for you (more expensive). Nowadays it's necessary to book maybe 2 or 3 years in advance if you want to do it at the most popular time, through late spring/summer. Fabulous plants and utterly magnificent scenery. You need to be fit but small children have done it and adults in their nineties.

Thank you Lesley - I really would like to do this trip. Please remind me in 2032 when I am in my nineties - hoping I am somewhat fitter then as in my sixties.  ;)

Gerd
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 10, 2009, 09:09:01 PM
I know the feeling Gerd. Looks as if I'll need to join you in 2032. :D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Rogan on November 11, 2009, 08:16:56 AM
Lesley, I'm amazed how similar your Ranunculus lyallii looks to our Ranunculus baurii - perhaps not the flowers so much as the leaves - both are amazing plants! R. baurii grows in moist, elevated sites in the Drakensberg.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 11, 2009, 08:36:56 PM
You're right Rogan, the leaves are quite similar. In R. lyallii they are very thick and almost leathery and they hold a lot of water from which deer have been known to drink - before munching them to obliteration! Ours too, comes from moist, elevated positions over the Southern Alps and the wetter side of the main divide.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 12, 2009, 04:43:28 AM
It was Remembrance Day here yesterday, so I took these poppy pics this morning!
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cheers
fermi

Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 12, 2009, 10:38:25 AM
Fermi, what a great thing to do, your poppy photos are wonderful.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: cohan on November 12, 2009, 06:27:16 PM
Bill the Celmisia is perhaps C. verbascifolia and the Ourisia may be O. macrophylla but I'm NOT sure and David or Dave will know better than I. The Ranunculus is, of course, R. lyallii.

Gerd, the Milford Track is billed (sorry) as "The Most Beautiful Walk in the World" and I doubt if many would disagree. It's a stiff walk over, I think 3 days or maybe 4, staying in very good huts at night and you can either take a large back pack or have it taken for you (more expensive). Nowadays it's necessary to book maybe 2 or 3 years in advance if you want to do it at the most popular time, through late spring/summer. Fabulous plants and utterly magnificent scenery. You need to be fit but small children have done it and adults in their nineties.

looks lovely! but 'booking' for a hike is shocking enough for me, 2-3 years in advance is mind-boggling.. is it private land or a park with restricted access? of course no point letting so many people in that all you see is hikers, rubbish, and trampled plants...
there is a hiking trail apparently in southern alberta in Dinosaur Provincial Park which must be paid for, but that's because of fossils; the plants can be seen elsewhere for free...
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Susan on November 12, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
Accommodation is very limited on the Milford track.  It is administered by the Dept of Conservation and goes over some quite high alpine passes - overseas visitors often underestimate the rapid change of weather in New Zealand in alpine areas, with often disastrous results.  There have been a number of deaths this year.  It is within a National Park, and unlike places in Europe there are no chairlifts or cafes along the track.  The only way out if you injure yourself is by helicopter - weather permitting!

Check out the following site: www.milfordtrack.net/


Susan
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: David Nicholson on November 12, 2009, 07:39:07 PM
.........there are no chairlifts or cafes along the track. 


WOT! no cake!!?????? ;D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Susan on November 12, 2009, 07:48:53 PM
Of course there is cake - but you have to carry it in yourself ;D

When we did the Routeburn track, we had to carry our own food and take out our own rubbish.  This meant no cake, but had the whisky in a flask and (close your eyes if this is offensive) wine in a can.  It was an Australian red and I have to say, you had to be pretty desperate to drink it.  It was on a special and I have never seen it since, obviously not a great hit, even with trampers!

Susan
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 12, 2009, 08:24:24 PM
Thanks Susan, for supplying the required culinary details. You're right, it ain't no walk in the park, even though it's a National Park (and World Heritage area now?)

If you're at the OFM on Saturday, call at the caravan, I have a page that may amuse you. :D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: David Nicholson on November 12, 2009, 08:25:46 PM
..........This meant no cake, but had the whisky in a flask and (close your eyes if this is offensive) wine in a can.  It was an Australian red and I have to say, you had to be pretty desperate to drink it.  It was on a special and I have never seen it since, obviously not a great hit, even with trampers!

Susan, I think they sold the last vat for paint stripping 8)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: David Nicholson on November 12, 2009, 08:26:22 PM
It's not a cake walk then Lesley ???
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lori S. on November 12, 2009, 08:33:49 PM
there is a hiking trail apparently in southern alberta in Dinosaur Provincial Park which must be paid for, but that's because of fossils; the plants can be seen elsewhere for free...

The charge is actually for a narrated bus tour on a narrow dirt road loop into the dinosaur-dig area of the backcountry, not for access to any hiking trail.  (I have never taken the public tour but have driven along the same route and gone into the backcountry in a few places while on a specially-arranged geology field trip.)  The bus tour does not involve any hiking opportunities beyond walking a few steps to the odd lookout point though.

The only publicly-accessible hiking trail in Dinosaur is a loop from the campground through the sagebrush flats down to the cottonwood groves along the Red Deer River - a couple of kilometers long -  which is part of the reason why we don't go there often... though the scenery, bird-watching and plant life are otherwise alsolutely fascinating.  (Of course, if there was normal access to the backcountry, it would be stripped clean of fossils in no time!  This area is actually the field research area for the Royal Tyrrell Museum of Palaeontology in Drumheller, Alberta.)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 12, 2009, 09:03:15 PM
Definietely not a cake walk David, and I don't believe they let golliwogs go on it either. :)

Oh God, is someone going to upbraid me for being politically incorrect, or for racism?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: David Nicholson on November 12, 2009, 09:05:33 PM
Lesley, when people get to our age they'r entitled to be as un-politically correct as possible just to annoy the ranks of the politically correct ;D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Susan on November 12, 2009, 09:20:34 PM
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I think they sold the last vat for paint stripping

David, I wish I could get some now.  I am currently stripping window frames and the "eco friendly" stuff is worse than useless.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 12, 2009, 09:44:06 PM
Lesley, when people get to our age they'r entitled to be as un-politically correct as possible just to annoy the ranks of the politically correct ;D
I'm relying on it David.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 13, 2009, 07:09:16 AM
Flowering for the first time from seed (NARGS 2007 coll: Utah) Penstemon palmeri
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On a slightly smaller scale, P. pinifolius "Mersey Yellow"
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Moraea gracilenta, continuing to flower, with "King's Spear", Asphodeline lutea in the background,
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Sprekelia formosissima (growing with Siberian Iris "Sapphire Rose" in second pic)
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: cohan on November 13, 2009, 07:53:11 AM
there is a hiking trail apparently in southern alberta in Dinosaur Provincial Park which must be paid for, but that's because of fossils; the plants can be seen elsewhere for free...

The charge is actually for a narrated bus tour on a narrow dirt road loop into the dinosaur-dig area of the backcountry, not for access to any hiking trail.  (I have never taken the public tour but have driven along the same route and gone into the backcountry in a few places while on a specially-arranged geology field trip.)  The bus tour does not involve any hiking opportunities beyond walking a few steps to the odd lookout point though.


last i looked at it (not in person) my understanding was that you had to pay even for that short loop you mention, and at least sign up or register or something similar; i certainly understand why they need to have some control over the area, but not a place i'd go under those circumstances, unless you could pick a really offseason time when it was still open and worth going.....we passed by the tyrell museum last year, in early july, i think, and the parking lot was so busy we didnt even stop--ditto lake louise this year!
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 13, 2009, 10:14:12 AM
Crinums are becoming increasingly popular with gardeners and collectors, and are the focus of much breeding work.
Typically the species produce large beautiful flowers, extremely large bulbs and strong bold foliage.
The first one is Crinum macowanii a native to South Africa and east Africa to Ethiopia. This species rarely offsets and is usually grown from seed. The sweetly scented flowers open in the evening and last for two to three days.
Crinum 'Monterey Delight' is a C. × powellii (C. bulbispermum × C. moorei) hybrid with of a delicate pink colour, and sweetly scented flowers .





Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 13, 2009, 12:42:52 PM
Your Penstemon palmeri is so charming, Fermi, I love the soft colour and growth habit, congratulations you must be very happy with your first flowering  ;)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 13, 2009, 12:44:41 PM
Bill, both Crinums you have grown look wonderful and it's good to know the native one is scented - is it very perfumed?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lori S. on November 13, 2009, 02:58:58 PM
Be sure to sniff the Penstemon palmeri, Fermi! It's one of the very few fragrant ones, so a bit of a novelty there.

What lovely plants and photos all!

(Cohan, there are no charges for using the trails in Dinosaur, only for the bus tour (and the campground, of course - see the website)... I forgot that there are a few other little trails around the entrance/visitor center too, but nothing that gets you into the backcountry.  Access to the backcountry is not allowed, in other words.)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 13, 2009, 06:20:15 PM
Bill, both Crinums you have grown look wonderful and it's good to know the native one is scented - is it very perfumed?
Robin, yes the Crinum macowanii has a delicate perfume, not to overpowering, but mainly noticeable at night.
With the hybrids, breeders when crossing the various species/cultivars are also aiming to breed back the old fashion perfumes.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 14, 2009, 01:20:28 AM
Oh God, is someone going to upbraid me for being politically incorrect, or for racism?
What's good for Hone Harawira is good enough for Lesley. Yeah right!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: cohan on November 14, 2009, 07:33:32 AM
bill, great stuff-- the Crinum macowanii has a really pretty 'striping' effect...
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 14, 2009, 11:05:37 AM
Something different this time, the magnificent Puya alpestris   Although this is an extremely vicious barbed plant and not recommended for planting close to paths or where anyone is likely to brush past, the flowers are incredibly beautiful flowering in the spring.
Nearly 3" long, very heavily waxy and the most unbelievable shade of dark turquoise, they force you to stop and admire them.
Best planted in full sun. Drought tolerant.  Native to high slopes in the Andes of southern Chile  
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Onion on November 14, 2009, 06:57:42 PM
Oh Bill,

what a dream at this rainy day in the northern hemisphere.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 14, 2009, 08:54:08 PM
Oh God, is someone going to upbraid me for being politically incorrect, or for racism?
What's good for Hone Harawira is good enough for Lesley. Yeah right!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Don't mention that man to me Bill, a real chip of the old (maternal) block. Likewise a national disgrace. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 16, 2009, 02:16:10 AM
Great pics, Bill and Fermi.  I sowed seed last year of the Puya, but no germination unfortunately.  I was hoping.  ;D  I just love the colour.  8)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 16, 2009, 04:43:24 AM
OK, two more, beautiful, not so well known Calochortus species.
Calochortus tolmiei and Calochortus momophyllus.
Hi Bill,
I was looking in "Calochortus: Mariposa Lilies & Their Relatives" by Mary E. Gerritsen and Ron Parsons and I think your C. monophyllus is more likely to be C. amabilis or C. pulchellus. It does cross with C. albus to produce a pendant hybrid but the type is upward facing.

The first flowers on Alstroemeria hookeri are appearing,
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This Triteleia ixioides appeared quite attractive and dwarf, perhaps because of the drought?
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Another yellow flowerer is our native "Lemon Flax Lily", Thelionema umbellatum "Yellow Rush Lily", Tricoryne elatior
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Another native is "lambs-tails", Ptilotus exaltatus,
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 16, 2009, 05:31:30 AM
Nice, Fermi.  I don't think I've ever seen a yellow Thelionema before.  :o
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 16, 2009, 07:00:39 AM
Nice, Fermi.  I don't think I've ever seen a yellow Thelionema before.  :o
Whoops! Corrected the name to "Yellow Rush Lily", Tricoryne elatior! The lemon flax lily is much lighter in colour and mine didn't survive it's first year here - must try it again!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: t00lie on November 16, 2009, 08:59:48 AM
Phlox adsurgens Wagon Wheel hanging over the edge of a concrete trough.Enjoying the cold wet wet wet   >:( conditions of the last few days.

Cheers dave.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 16, 2009, 09:30:09 AM
Puya alpestris from the Andes is so unusual, Bill, it certainly turns heads with that incredible turquoise flower - is each stem growing by itself as a one off?

Fermi, lovely Alstroemeria hookeri against the dry grass - Alstroemeria are native to south America too aren't they?

Lovely Phlox adsurgens Wagon Wheel, Dave, the flowers look quite big...
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 16, 2009, 12:07:48 PM
Dracunculus vulgaris, sometimes called the Dragon Arum, or Voodoo Lily
The very striking deep purple-black spathe sends upward a shimmering purple-black "jack" which can grow to as long as 50 cm, though 20-30 cm in  length is more likely & still mightily impressive. This black spadix extends from the rather vaginal spathe, leading this aroid to be called "amorphallus" in form.
The eerie erotic beauty of this plant can be a little shocking. If this plant is not widely popular, it is because it needs to attract carrion-eating pollinators, so will briefly smell bad,
Fortunately the dungy rotten meaty odour only occurs when the inflourescence is mature & lasts only long enough to attract a few flies, then the plant is satisfied & ceases to stink. Generally the bad odor only lasts one or two days. Best planted far enough back in the garden
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 16, 2009, 12:34:50 PM
Puya alpestris from the Andes is so unusual, Bill, it certainly turns heads with that incredible turquoise flower - is each stem growing by itself as a one off?
Robin, the stamens form dense panicles up to two meters tall at the ends of long stems.
The plant with the rosette of leaves dies after flowering, leaving offsets to carry on.
The fruit are capsules that enclose winged seeds.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 16, 2009, 12:57:54 PM
Hi Bill,
I was looking in "Calochortus: Mariposa Lilies & Their Relatives" by Mary E. Gerritsen and Ron Parsons and I think your C. monophyllus is more likely to be C. amabilis or C. pulchellus. It does cross with C. albus to produce a pendant hybrid but the type is upward facing.
Fermi, in hindsight, I am inclined to agree with you, I do grow both species but it definitely looks more like Cal. amabilis.
Thanks for the correction.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 16, 2009, 07:51:33 PM
Bill, forgive me for not mentioning it before, your little parcel arrived safe and well on Thursday. They're potted up and looking just fine. Thanks very much. I'll be interested to see how it goes on as ultimately, it will live outdoors here.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: kiwi on November 17, 2009, 06:54:43 AM
Divine.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: David Nicholson on November 17, 2009, 10:10:11 AM
They are Doug, I only wish I could grow them :(
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paddy Tobin on November 17, 2009, 01:47:53 PM
OK Doug, I'll sell my soul for those. It is not so long ago when we grew these but with the passing of years we found it more and  more difficult while friends in north of Ireland continued to succeed with them. Their conditions were a bit cooler and wetter than ours.

Great plant. Paddy
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 17, 2009, 01:54:59 PM
Great photo and the blue is outstanding  8)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on November 17, 2009, 04:17:32 PM
They are Doug, I only wish I could grow them :(

.... sigh..... I know the feeling David !

Gorgeous flowers Doug !!
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: kiwi on November 18, 2009, 05:16:30 AM
A beautiful little NZ native all rounder, Carmichaelia nana. (was C. enysii)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 18, 2009, 05:31:03 AM
Here is another nice blue coloured Iris sibirica "Over in Gloryland" that I picked up at the last local Iris show in Tauranga.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 18, 2009, 05:37:07 AM
And another nice white Watsonia "Frosty Morn" suitable for the borders and makes good cut flowers.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 18, 2009, 06:08:25 AM
Nice Watsonia, Bill.  Nice to see the red stems with the white flowers.... most of the whites I have seen previously lack the red pigment in the stems.

Doug,

The Carmichaelia nana is a cutie.  How big?  I'm assuming it looks to be a groundcover type?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 18, 2009, 06:19:44 AM
While on the subject of Tropaeolum species seed, I have just finished harvesting fresh seeds of Trop. azureum and Trop.brachyceras and perhaps Trop. tricolor later.
Anyone interested in exchanging seed especially the tropaeolums just send me a PM at daffodil@xnet.co.nz
I prefer exchange for obvious reasons, (eg. Narcissi miniature species, Trillium, Tropaeolum.  Hippeastrum ) but If you have not got anythings to swap, (or have some seed available perhaps later in your NH season) don't worry, you're still welcome to some seeds.
Cheers,  Bill
BTW: there could be a few seeds with some minor interesting variations and colours of the leaves and flowers of the Trop.azureum.    
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 18, 2009, 02:05:49 PM
NOTE: Bill has also been posting on "Trops" in the Tropaeolum thread:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1463.345
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paddy Tobin on November 18, 2009, 02:19:34 PM
A beautiful little NZ native all rounder, Carmichaelia nana. (was C. enysii)

Doug, I grew this from seed many years ago and have the plants growing still - well, they are very small and growth is hardly noticeable. However, I have never had a flower on any plant - very disappointing. Also, your plants seem far fresher than mine, a much brighter green on the 'foliage'. Perhaps mine are a little starved or might benefit from growing inside. The flower is very like our native Restharrow, Ononis sp.

Paddy
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Ray on November 20, 2009, 09:56:42 AM
A couple of plants flowering now. bye Ray


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Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 20, 2009, 05:03:06 PM
Your raised beds certainly produce some wonderful plants, Ray  :D

Romneya coulteri is something I've always admired - it's really lovely!
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Onion on November 20, 2009, 07:51:27 PM
Ray,

have you some information about Urcelonia peruvianna? Look's like a bulb.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: maggiepie on November 20, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
Bill, can Watsonia be somewhat invasive?
The reason I am wondering is that I have seen it growing wild in areas in Oz, am not sure if there had homes at some of these places that had disappeared over time.

Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paddy Tobin on November 20, 2009, 09:21:01 PM
Helen,

It would be hard to complain about that white watsonia, even it was running a bit wild. I grow several species and cultivars here and have always found the white ones to be the slowest to bulk up.

Here some cultivars bulk up into good sized clumps with reasonable ease but do not seed about.

Bill's is an especially good plant.

Paddy
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lvandelft on November 20, 2009, 09:31:22 PM
Ray,

have you some information about Urcelonia peruvianna? Look's like a bulb.

Uli, have a look on this site. It is in more languages and German too.
http://de.gardening.eu/Pflanzen/Zwiebeln/Urceolina-peruviana/2520/ (http://de.gardening.eu/Pflanzen/Zwiebeln/Urceolina-peruviana/2520/)

Urceolina peruviana is beautiful!
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: maggiepie on November 20, 2009, 09:33:26 PM
Paddy,

I wouldn't complain if there was a big clump of Bill's white watsonia out in my garden either. ;D
I doubt the ones I remember from my childhood were anywhere near as nice.
Actually, I never knew what they were, we used to call them wild gladioli. ::)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 21, 2009, 01:31:54 AM
Bill, re: Drac. vulgaris.

> ...rather vaginal spathe, leading this aroid to be called "amorphallus"

I'm not sure that anatomically 'vaginal' and '...phallus' are equivalent. :)

(hopefully that's not offensive to anyone here).

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 21, 2009, 01:46:13 AM
Arum dioscoridis.

This is the form that I consider to be 'typical' in cultivation in NZ.

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 21, 2009, 01:49:15 AM
Folks,

Iris nelsonii, a personal favourite.  Given to me by a friend but apparently originally from southeast of Abbeville, Louisiana.

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 21, 2009, 01:54:55 AM
Folks,

Ornithogalum dubium.

I have *no* idea how to grow this.  I bought it flowering about 6 years ago as one plant.  The next year it came up but didn't flower.  The intervening years it never even came up but I couldn't throw it out as there was a healthy bulb in the pot.  This year, 9 plants came up and they're all flowering.  Weird.

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 21, 2009, 01:56:56 AM
Folks,

Romulea rosea.  I know it's a weed but if it did the decent thing and was difficult to grow and didn't reproduce so easily then everybody would want it.

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 21, 2009, 02:33:17 AM
Folks,

A 2nd attempt at this one, sorry if it turns up twice.

Arisaema ciliatum.  I don't know if this is the ssp liubaense or not.  It's always hard to get a decent photo as the flower is typically hidden between two leaves...

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 21, 2009, 02:36:21 AM
Folks,

Disa tripetaloides 'white - Sielmar'.

For some reason after sitting around for years both my Disas are flowering this year, D. uniflora isn't far away...

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 21, 2009, 02:39:33 AM
Folks,

Stylidium graminifolium, the only species of one of favourite genera that we're allowed in NZ.  I have to go to Australia to see other species...

I'll post photos of the flowers once they open but I'm rather excited to see this flower after almost losing it.

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 21, 2009, 02:45:19 AM
Folks,

Phaedranessa cinerea, it never opens up to be the umbel I'm expecting from the photos I've seen (the bracts seem to get in the way).  Still, a nice thing that sets seed...

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 21, 2009, 05:11:03 PM
Folks, do you remember some discussion of Autumn flowering Camellias in the October Flowering Now thread?  
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Thanks so much Paul for giving an overview of Camellias through the months - very good news and I shall do some searching to see what I can grow  


Look at this in Jim McKenney's Blog.......   http://mcwort.blogspot.com/       lovely big plants, full of flower!
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 21, 2009, 10:11:33 PM
I looked at May, being equivilent to our November. Poor, beautiful little bird. :'(
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 21, 2009, 10:16:12 PM
Here is Iris kamaonensis which opened yesterday, I bought this just 3 or 4 weeks ago from Louise and Peter at Hokonui. I'm not sure but it is probably from seed and the likely source would be Josef Halda. It is quite different from Bill's shown on a previous page. This is a combo of lavender, deeper purple, whitish and a tawny ginger colour and I think is very beautiful. The deeply recurved falls are strongly so, and when I straightened out one to photograph, the fabric creased.

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Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: galahad on November 21, 2009, 10:34:23 PM
That is beautiful, Lesley
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 21, 2009, 10:42:50 PM
Helen, some Watsonias can be very invasive indeed, from tiny stem bulbils I believe as well as many cormlets and perhaps seed too. Some Auckland cemetaries are totally infested with them and DOC (Dept of Conservation) is trying to have the whole genus prohibited from being grown. Stupid though, as so many are already well established and at least one nursery is breeding new forms. Most are perfectly well-behaved anyway.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 21, 2009, 10:45:21 PM
Andrew you're right about A. ciliatum - and others - being difficult to photograph well. Here is one I prepared earlier (last year). :)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: maggiepie on November 21, 2009, 10:46:24 PM
Lesley, I couldn't agree more.
Do you also have huge expanses of freesias  growing wild in paddocks and along roadsides?
I really miss freesias.

Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paddy Tobin on November 21, 2009, 10:53:58 PM
Lesley,

Iris and arisaema - two beauties.

Paddy
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: galahad on November 21, 2009, 11:12:25 PM
Dactylorrhiza and Roscoea cautleyoides
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 22, 2009, 12:10:18 AM

Do you also have huge expanses of freesias  growing wild in paddocks and along roadsides?
I really miss freesias.

Well I certainly don't but a friend has the old Freesia burtonii growing en masse in a paddock and another which is a rather muddy cream colour likewise. The scent is incredibly good. I came home from my son's house a couple of days ago with a flower of the rose 'Mme Alfred Carriere' in the car. It wilted badly but even so the scent was amazing. Old fashioned rose which is superb anyway, overlaid with ripe pasionfruit and lemon verbena. I've ordered one for next winter.

Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 22, 2009, 08:16:01 AM
Thanks Lesley and Paddy for answering Helen's concerns regarding the Watsonia "Frosty Morn" while I was away.
I'll do the same for you next time.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 22, 2009, 08:34:53 AM
Here is Iris kamaonensis which opened yesterday, I bought this just 3 or 4 weeks ago from Louise and Peter at Hokonui. I'm not sure but it is probably from seed and the likely source would be Josef Halda. It is quite different from Bill's shown on a previous page. This is a combo of lavender, deeper purple, whitish and a tawny ginger colour and I think is very beautiful. The deeply recurved falls are strongly so, and when I straightened out one to photograph, the fabric creased.
That's a very nice Iris kamaonensis Lesley, what a gorgeous colour combination, another one for the wanted list.
Does this Josef Halda have a price-list? Have you bought seed from him before?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 22, 2009, 09:10:09 AM
Two more Hippies flowering in the nursery at the moment, one of them a rather nice dark seedling flowering for the first time.
The first one a rather excellent colourful species,  ideal for breeding with other species/varieties.

Hippeastrum blossfeldiae
Hippeastrum dark red seedling
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 22, 2009, 09:26:52 AM
Arisaema ciliatum.  I don't know if this is the ssp liubaense or not.  It's always hard to get a decent photo as the flower is typically hidden between two leaves...   Andrew.

Thanks for showing your beautiful Ariseama ciliatum Andrew, now I know what what Arisaema species I've got.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 22, 2009, 10:33:08 AM
Dietes bicolor is a very easy, rewarding South African species, just starting to flower, with a long flowering season.
Better in half shade, it grows to a large clump with time.

Dietes bicolor.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ashley on November 22, 2009, 10:40:58 AM
Fine hippeastrums Bill, grown & photographed to your usual high standards 8)

Once an attractive seedling like this is identified, how would it be bulked up for commerce? 
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 22, 2009, 11:01:00 AM
I do so love this combination of colouring - a beautiful flower on your Dietes bicolor Bill  :)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 22, 2009, 10:14:38 PM
Josef Halda is in the Czech Republic and so far as I know, does an annual seed list. I've not bought from him myself, but I know others who have done and still do, a mixed bag so far as satisfaction with the seeds is concerned. I have no address but try Google.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 22, 2009, 10:22:04 PM
But you already have it Bill. You posted a pic maybe last month, as I can't find it here, or on the Iris page.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 22, 2009, 10:23:29 PM
Hippeatrum papillio and some of those odd spidery species are available now in our garden centres as bulbs ready to pot. But upwards of $20 each.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 22, 2009, 10:52:39 PM
Strong nor'wester today and the temp is 33C at 11am. Hot for us. Taking pics is just about impossible in the wind but if I don't get this one now it will be shredded and smashed.

Tall bearded iris 'Old Black Magic.' REALLY black and I love it. :)
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Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Armin on November 22, 2009, 10:57:09 PM
Lesley,
your "Old Black Magic" TBI is a stunner. Wow! 8)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paddy Tobin on November 22, 2009, 10:57:59 PM
Wow, Lesley, what a stunner.

Paddy
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fermi de Sousa on November 23, 2009, 12:12:29 AM
Tall bearded iris 'Old Black Magic.' REALLY black and I love it. :)
It's certainly got me under its spell! I wonder if it's in Oz?
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 23, 2009, 06:29:17 AM
Tall bearded iris 'Old Black Magic.' REALLY black and I love it. :)

Where have you been hiding this one Lesley, I'll be after this black beauty. 8) :o ;D

>But you already have it Bill. You posted a pic maybe last month,<

Yes but your Iris kamaonensis is different in colour and always more desirable when you haven't got it. :( :(
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: maggiepie on November 23, 2009, 12:07:09 PM
Lesley, your Iris is an absolute stunner. ;D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 23, 2009, 08:47:28 PM
My kamoanensis came from Hokonui Alpines at Gore, Bill. You could ask there.

We had dreadful hot winds here yesterday so I cut the stem of OBM, to stop it being quite shattered. This morning in a jar on the table, the falls were deep purple as the sun shone through them but the falls were still black, so I moved it into the shade.

Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 23, 2009, 09:05:09 PM
'Old Black Magic' came from Mossburn Iris Gardens, PO Box 96 Mossburn, Southland 9747. Sorry, I thought you were asking about I. kamaonensis. Other great blacks are 'Anvil of Darkness,' 'Before the Storm,' 'About Last Night.'
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Rogan on November 24, 2009, 06:42:57 AM
My Australian trigger plants (Stylidium graminifolium) have been keeping me amused for the past week or two. In addition to their rather interesting 'trigger' action, they make very colourful spikes of pink flowers rising from firm rosettes of linear leaves. Once triggered the trigger (column) resets itself within five minutes - ready to 'dust' the next unweary insect visitor. This came as a surprise to me as I thought they could only be triggered once.

The second picture is a detailed shot of a single flower with its trigger in the 'cocked' position (arrowed).

I'm sure our Oz members (PaulT?) can tell us much more about this plant than I can.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 24, 2009, 08:14:38 AM
Rogan,

They're brilliant plants, aren't they?  The little trigger mechanism is so cool, and you can literally watch it reset itself slowly.  I could find you assorted bits from reference material, but I haven't yet managed to succeed with the trigger plants.  I love them and would love to be succesful, but as yet I haven't managed it.  I really need to do some more research and try again after working out the right conditions.  How are you treating yours?

Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 24, 2009, 08:51:11 AM
I've lost mine now. I think it just got overgrown but it was fine for several years in a dampish, gritty trough. I had seed on it too. Might have a poke around in the undergrowth in case there's something still tthere. Mine was a paler pink but still very nice with reddish leaves.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 24, 2009, 10:59:58 AM
My Australian trigger plants (Stylidium graminifolium) have been keeping me amused for the past week or two. In addition to their rather interesting 'trigger' action, they make very colourful spikes of pink flowers rising from firm rosettes of linear leaves. Once triggered the trigger (column) resets itself within five minutes - ready to 'dust' the next unweary insect visitor. This came as a surprise to me as I thought they could only be triggered once.

The second picture is a detailed shot of a single flower with its trigger in the 'cocked' position (arrowed).

I'm sure our Oz members (PaulT?) can tell us much more about this plant than I can.

Rogan, your trigger plant sound like a lot of fun, fascinating, and a nice colourful plant to show off as well.
BTW: your Tropaeolum seed have been posted today, good luck, hope they do well for you.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 24, 2009, 11:07:08 AM
OK, one more exquisite, nicely scented Crinum macowanii hybrid flowering for us for the first time. Not bad don't you think?

Crinum macowanii hybrid.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 24, 2009, 11:18:05 AM
Beautiful, Bill.  Just beautiful. 8)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 24, 2009, 11:23:26 AM
Iris gracilipes I think, one of the last smaller, charming irises to flower in the nursery.

Iris gracilipes.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Tecophilaea King on November 24, 2009, 11:41:01 AM
Fine hippeastrums Bill, grown & photographed to your usual high standards 8)

Once an attractive seedling like this is identified, how would it be bulked up for commerce? 

Ashley, I am not sure if this Hippeastrum hybrid is good enough for the trade, just one of many hybrids released every year.
If it got potential, the bulbs can either be chipped or tissue cultured in large numbers in very short time.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 24, 2009, 08:25:58 PM
A couple of weeks ago I posted a pic of this super little Glad, but in bud, for possible ID. It seems it's likely to be G. carneus and I'm in love with it. It may grow taller though in the garden, just 35cms in the pot. No idea where it came from though ???
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Iris setosa hookeri (or s. nana or s. dwarf form etc). Grows to just 15 cms with me.
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Iris barbatula. The group of 3 are about to be planted out, the other (a 2007 pic) is in a raised bed, not blooming yet in shade.
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A lovely South American is Ourisia coccinea. But I find it very sensitive to lack of water, much more so than the reputedly difficult O. microphylla.
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I really like this yellow form of Primula cockburniana, normally a harsh orange. Apparently it comes true from seed though as I plan to plant them out side by side, this may not continue. The first pic is in shade with others waiting for a big planting over the next couple of days and the second in the sun.
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And finally, last year I mentioned some hybrid seedlings from Saponaria lutea. I didn't think to take a picture then until the flowers had gone over but have caught them this time though there aren't so many. Also awaiting planting out. The seed was collected from S. lutea, a soft straw yellow and the other parent is pumilio, behind the seedling, for comparison. The colour is very pretty and I may name it and propagate by cuttings. From the batch of lutea seedlings, there were 5 like this, all identical.
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Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lvandelft on November 24, 2009, 08:47:00 PM
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The seed was collected from S. lutea, a soft straw yellow and the other parent is pumilio, behind the seedling, for comparison.

Lesley, this seems to be a very good and rich flowering hybrid. You really should name it!
I wonder about your S. pumilio with so many flowers.  ??? Here it is only known as very shy flowering.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 24, 2009, 10:53:16 PM
Luit, S. pumilio flowers very well for me, outside on a raised bed. Here is a pic of the original on top with the lower plant a seedling from it. I get a lot of seed and quite a lot of self-sown seedlings. The colour is a little richer than the picture suggests.
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And this little patch is made up of seedlings from my own seedling S. 'Gala Day' ('Olivana' x ocymoides) insect-pollinated with pumilio. You can see the pumilio in some of the flowers. There are perhaps half a dozen seedlings here and all are very tight little pads of foliage, lovely plants for troughs or pots.
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I was a bit annoyed that the seedlist (SRGC) just received, listed S. pulvinaris and said go to S. pumilio. They are NOT the same plant, but are quite different and distinct. I used to have pulvinaris and lost it so would like to replace it but didn't order the pumilio as I had donated some of that.

Would you like some seed of pumilio and some of what will be assorted seedlings, later in the summer?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lvandelft on November 24, 2009, 11:23:40 PM
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Would you like some seed of pumilio and some of what will be assorted seedlings, later in the summer?

Yes  please! :D
But your S. pumilio is really a wonder to me Lesley, so many flowers.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 25, 2009, 12:34:32 AM
Like 'Olivana' it makes a halo of flowers, around the outside. Older plants have the flowers sprinkled over the top as well.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Rogan on November 26, 2009, 06:10:26 AM
"...but I haven't yet managed to succeed with the trigger plants.  I love them and would love to be succesful, but as yet I haven't managed it."

I grow my Stylidiums as I would a carnivorous plant - in a gritty / peaty soil standing in a few mm of rainwater, and a little afternoon shade. Thus far they are thriving and flowering well.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 26, 2009, 07:11:52 AM
Thanks Rogan.  Wouldn't have thought of treating them like that.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 26, 2009, 03:56:32 PM
Bill was making posts here that I though worthy of a move to the Trasvel and Places to Vist area, so you'll find his thread : Te Puna Quarry Park in Tauranga there.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4576.0
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: ajbroome on November 27, 2009, 03:11:47 AM
Folks,

My Stylidium graminifolium flower buds are still a wee way off opening but I did notice a second spike coming on the other day.

I grow mine much like Rogan (in fact, in an outdoor tray that I used to use for Sarracenia before I got my glasshouse).

Information on the various species can be found at: http://www.triggerplants.org/ or via the YAHOO group that I run (PM me for details if you're interested).

Andrew.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: rob krejzl on November 27, 2009, 04:17:53 AM
Try looking out for Stylidium armeria, the tetraploid form of S. graminifolium. It makes floral spikes so rigid that they can hardly be bent, with each spike so thickly clothed with flowers that there is no stem visible between them. Much greater presence in the garden.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 27, 2009, 04:52:08 AM
That sounds exceiting Rob. Is there a picture anyehere?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: rob krejzl on November 27, 2009, 05:01:50 AM
Lesley,

Try here:
http://www.utas.edu.au/dicotkey/dicotkey/OTHERS/sStylidium_armeria.htm

Garden-grown specimens are that bit better furnished of course.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 27, 2009, 05:44:11 AM
I hadn't heard of that one before, Rob.  Thanks.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 27, 2009, 09:12:59 AM
It's very nice indeed Rob and one can imagine that a well grown garden specimen could be very spectacular. Might have to sprinkle a little salt?
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: fleurbleue on November 27, 2009, 02:29:03 PM
Hi Lesley, very beautiful your G. carneus  ::)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Maggi Young on November 27, 2009, 08:22:29 PM
A reminder of another thread, also from the Southern Hemisphere:

http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=post;topic=4576.0;num_replies=11
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: t00lie on November 28, 2009, 09:24:35 AM
A few NZ natives in the garden here .

Bulbinella rossii - although getting bigger each year ,(has 3 stems this season ),no where the size they reach when really happy in their natural environment of New Zealands sub-antarctic islands.

One of the grassland Celmisia sps --i presume it is a form of C.gracilenta --interestingly i remember  :-\   it in previous years as having brown mottled leaves ,if that is correct why does it have plain green this season. ::)

Finally Celmisia bellidioides --hasn't flowered for a number of years so obviously has enjoyed the wet cool conditions of late.

Cheers dave.
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 28, 2009, 09:47:11 PM
These are nice Dave, especially the Bulbinella rossii. I'd love to grow that but would be too hot and dry for it here. There are some advantages after all, to a bottom-of-the-South-Island climate and garden. ;D
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: t00lie on November 29, 2009, 12:27:21 AM
Of course Lesley it has its benefits . 8)

Such as being able to move these near flowering Arisaemas to a new area earlier today  :o    ---They were starting to become a weed in one of the Trillium beds.
They should do okay being moved so late ,as last year i transplanted a number of different A. sps in mid summer and they are flowering currently.

Cheers dave.

Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Paul T on November 29, 2009, 05:18:00 AM
Nice, Dave.  8)
Title: Re: November 2009 in the Southern Hemisphere
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 29, 2009, 09:23:05 PM
I'd probably risk it Dave. In fact, I'll have to as I want all the ciliatums together and all the consanguineums and at present they're mixed. So I'll lift them and replant separately elsewhere, as they begin to flower. I've put coloured wool round a couple that are out but I dont want to wait longer. If they're moved early in the flowering, they can still set seed whereas they don't if the flower is well on. For me anyway. All they need is a good watering on moving.
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