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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Maxime_P on October 19, 2009, 09:13:52 PM
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Good evening Pleione lovers !
This isn't really about Pleione but almost ;D
Joining Mr Ian Butterfield seems to be a little bit difficult for foreigners ... I just found the phone number but I don't want to call i the UK (for 2 reasons : the price and my accent which is incredibly atrocious :-X )
So I was wondering how could we get his catalogue ?
Thanks for the answer(s) :)
Maxime
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I can mail you last years catalogue if it's any help
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Hi Maxine
If you write to Ian I"m sure he will mail you one. ;)
Address - Yaffles
Harvest Hill
Bourne End
Buckinghamshire
SL8 5JJ
UK
If you just would like any up to date prices in particular PM me.
Eric
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Thank you Mark and Eric !
@Mark: would you mind sending me the former catalogue please ? ;D I would have an idea about the prices and the (surely huge) list of Pleione he sells.
@Eric: thanks I totally forgot I could send mails to the UK ::) Is the catalogue free ? ???
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Thank you Mark and Eric !
@Eric: thanks I totally forgot I could send mails to the UK ::) Is the catalogue free ? ???
Hi Maxime
Catalogue is free, but Ian does usually ask for a couple of stamps to cover postage for new customers.
As this would not be possible for you I am sure he will still send you a copy.
Eric
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Thank you Mark and Eric !
@Eric: thanks I totally forgot I could send mails to the UK ::) Is the catalogue free ? ???
Hi Maxine
Catalogue is free, but Ian does usually ask for a couple of stamps to cover postage for new customers.
As this would not be possible for you I am sure he will still send you a copy.
Eric
Well, I can put several stamps on the mail but they will be useless for him except if he collects them or if he goes to France then ::)
I have chocolate scent stamps ... maybe I could ask for a free Pleione in exchange ;D
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Maxim, if you want, I could send you this year's Ian's catalogue by e-mail.
Karel.
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I need some help :'(
I received the catalogue and i built up a short (lol) list ... but now comes the problem of the payment !
How do foreigners pay orders ? I mean giro cheque is mentionned but I don't have the slightiest idea of what could this be ... is that only british ? ??? Furthermore I don't know any british bank (at least I ignore they're british) so I can't ask any to draw a £ cheque; and they won't do so if I am not owning an account in one of these bank, will they ?
I was thinking about paying by bank transfert (what I did the last time I paid an order to the UK) but there is no sign of IBAN/BIC (SWIFT) codes ... should I ask Ian Butterfield by mail ? (this is going to take time, although I would like to order some winter-flowering hybrids)
:-\ :'(
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Hello Maxime !
Ian Butterfield has no computer and therefore no e-mail address.
I usually simply post my order - including the money in cash - I know it sounds a bit risky but that's what I do.
Paying by banktransfer is enormously expensive and more looks like bank robbery >:( >:( ... but the banks are the robbers.
Good luck
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Well, bank transferts are free for me if I do it by my bank's website. ;D
Do you send the cash in a normal mail ? In the catalogue, it's written "use registered post" .... what does that mean ?
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Well, bank transferts are free for me if I do it by my bank's website. ;D
Do you send the cash in a normal mail ? In the catalogue, it's written "use registered post" .... what does that mean ?
Hi Maxime.
Registered post is post that can be tracked .
Ian will have to sign for this to prove it has been delivered.
Eric
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Hi Maxime.
Registered post is post that can be tracked .
Ian will have to sign for this to prove it has been delivered.
Eric
Oooh ! Many thanks !
It's "un recommandé" !! :P 8) lol
Poor bank account ... ;D
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Most people can send money around the EU for free via bank transfer but you will probably find if you send to the UK you will be charged as its not mainland Europe.
I have received money in the past and then found some very unhappy people when they see their bank account and a charge for 20euro!!!! just to send.
When buying Cyps from Germany I send money via Paypal to a German friend who then sends direct via bank transfer. It costs me about 2.5% more but is still far cheaper than sending via my bank and less risky than cash.
Dave
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Paypal is very useful, I find. I think more places will begin to accept it and make it worthwhile for more of us to use. If I'm looking for some thing online and I see they take Paypal then that is my preferred method of paying for goods.
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Hi Max,
Ian Butterfield is a friend of mine and he lives very close by. If you wish to order from him you can pay me via Paypal and I'll give him the money. Paypal charges the recipient a percentage, so you should add 4.5% to your payment or I shall be out of pocket (it's happened before).
If you want to try this, send me an email (mtalbot@talktalk.net) and we can discuss off-line. Alternatively I can ask for his bank details and email them to you. You would have to make the bank transfer in Pounds Sterling. Looking at his current catalogue, he says: Orders to EU countries add £3 for postage. Orders over £50 postage and packing free.
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Thank you for answering. I tried Paypal once, but my credit card wasn't compatible so I left that idea behind as I did not want to attach my bank account directly to the Paypal account.
I sent my order by mail today with the cash inside, I hope it will come overseas well. The order is far from £50 (so much more :-X ) but i still added £3 (not £2 since i'm living in a foreign country) for the winter flowering package.
I do not know if I order enough for this season ... I guess so but my mind is in the blur ... I don't know, why not 2 or 3 more ... ::)
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Please be aware that sending cash by post - even registered post - IS NOT SAFE. In fact registered post seems least safe; you are making a statement that the envelope contains something of value. The addressee signs for the envelope not the contents. This year we have received 3 air mail registered letters that had cash removed, these looked perfectly intact ie they had been resealed without obvious evidence. It is not nice to be accused by your customer (the sender) of stealing his money and it is impossible to defend yourself.
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A bad experience for you, Rob. >:(
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My catalogue hasn't arived. Do I need to ask for it every year?
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Ian sends out his catalogue each year without having to request it.
Possible that if you did not order last year this is why it hasn"t arrived, as many nurseries these days only re-send if a purchase has been made from the previous years issue. This can be very annoying if you only order occasionally, but I guess these are not cheap to print and mail.
Eric
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Please be aware that sending cash by post - even registered post - IS NOT SAFE. In fact registered post seems least safe; you are making a statement that the envelope contains something of value. The addressee signs for the envelope not the contents. This year we have received 3 air mail registered letters that had cash removed, these looked perfectly intact ie they had been resealed without obvious evidence. It is not nice to be accused by your customer (the sender) of stealing his money and it is impossible to defend yourself.
Oh please don't scare me ... I know it's always dangerous to send things of value by the post office.
I put so many adhesive tape and staples that if someone open the mail, it will be difficult to make it look like nothing happened
The order was 'stapled' to the cash poket, in a big brown mail,i tried to hide what was inside the more i could ... I hope it will be fine.
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I apologize to squat a bit maxime's topic :P but it was just to say that Maren's been kind enough to order some plants from Ian for me, and I found it quite convenient (and fast).
thx again ;)
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thanks, Julien,
I just want to make it quite clear that I did this as a favour. I'm not Ian's agent and there is no money in it for me. Just as we say in Germany, one hand washes the other, I hope you know what I mean. One must look after one's friends. :) :) :)
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Hello, Maren,
I can confrirm that you are doing this merely as a favour both to Ian and to Julien..... and very kind of you it is, too, thank you!
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Maxime, i wouldn't worry too much about sending notes in an ordinary letter. I've received payment this way several times without problems. Sending it was registred post is probably increase the risk.
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I've sent many orders to I.Butterfield and sent the money by ordinary mail - never any problems :D
Just once, I sent it by registered mail and he never received it... >:(
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Maxime,
I have a bank account attached to PayPal, never had any problems. As a security measure this account never has too much money in it. If I know I'm going to make a purchase using PayPal I move money into that account from another account via telephone banking services.
Regards
Chris
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Hi,
with his permission, I have scanned Ian Butterfield's catalogue and put it on my website (Heritageorchids etc.). Just look at the Links section where you can browse or download it. It's a .pdf file, ready to be printed as a booklet. Choose landscape in your print options and it will turn out as a double sided A5 brochure.
Cheers. ;D
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Maren, this is very kind of you.... but I do not seem able to see a "links "section/heading? :-[
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Maggi on the side
above below contacts You will see links and by pushing this You get the to the links and there You will find the one for the catalog.
Maybe You do not see it due to browser issues.
Hope You find it
Joakim
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Yes, must be a browser issue, this is what I see ......
maybe I need to change browser, as has been suggested for others eleswhere?!!
click the photo to enlarge....
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Yes, must be a browser issue, this is what I see ......
maybe I need to change browser, as has been suggested for others eleswhere?!!
click the photo to enlarge....
I can only see the same too.
Eric
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Maggi if You as I meant and not as I said ::) :-* You would probably find it it is below contact and I think You will need to scroll.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Sorry, link removed as requested by Mr Butterfield.
David
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That's a nice idea Maren ;)
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Burnham Nursery have Pln. humilis and Pln. praecox at £7.00 each and will be getting Pln.hookeriana and Pln. maculata in soon probably at the same price.
Bargain prices.
David
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Hi Maggie,
just scroll down a little and you will see Links in the left margin of my home page.
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Hi Maren
There is no scroll for that section of your page. The only way I can see it is by reducing the screen size to 75% instead of 100%. The right hand side that has your picture on scrolls up and down but has no effect on the left menu panel. At 100% screen size on my laptop monitor the last thing that can be seen on the menu is 'contact'.
Regards
David
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Yes, David, that's my problem... no scroll bar and so page "stops" at "contacts" ... off now to try reducing it as you say, but thanks for the info... and for the pdf !
M
edit some moments later.......
Ah. yes, I see the Links section now, and this is the page:
[attchthumb=1]
Click to enlarge the image.....
Now , Maren, you can likely guess what I'm going to say now.........???
Would you like to add a link to the Forum on your site? http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php 8) ;) :)
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Maggi
If your using vista it should say 100% in the bottom right and corner of the screen. You just click this and change.
David
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Thanks again, David, I must have been posting my "edit" above as you wrote. :D
I'm on XP, which has that doofer too, but I recently got the hang of the Ctrl/ scroll thingy!! ;D
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Big apologies everyone who has been struggling to find Links on my website. I shall have to do something about that.
Had a chat with Ian Butterfield yesterday and he told me that, on reflection, he didn't want to have his catalogue on the web. He prefers that people contact him personally and directly. It's his call and I didn't argue. So I'm afraid I had to take it down. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Never mind. :'( :)
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Yes it would have been good and would cut out the cost of a paper catalogue
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Hi, Maggie,
I have put the link to the SRGC on my website, and I have added a scroll bar so that people can get to the Links section. Thank you for pointing this out. On my screen the home page looks like this and it never occurred to me that it might look different on other peoples' screens. This is getting a bit OT, I'm afraid, but if anyone can suggest how I can format my homepage so that it appears like this to everybody, I would be most grateful and will never speak of this again, promise. ;)
(http://heritageorchids.co.uk/Maren%27s%20homepage.jpg)
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Thanks, Maren, that's very good of you.
I think the scroll bar will do the trick... I'm just off for a look.......
....... yes. now I can see all the sections listed.... even without the need to scroll, actually.
Easy to use .... and some super links!!! ;D
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Maren
That works fine. The reason I could no see the links and shows attended before was the fact I have more toolbars at the top of the screen like google toolbar and windows live toolbar which take up more space.
Regards
David
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A story from the real life about sending money in an ordinary letter. Today i received letter from England. It had been delivered to a wrong address a couple of days ago. The perso who received it apparently didn't know where he or she lived or knew their own name and had opened the letter, cutting it up on two sides. After opening the letter they realised the mistake, wrote a note on the letter to the post to redeliver it on the correct address and returned to the the post(office?). Naturally, they didn't tape the letter. It came through the door with the rest of the mail. The notes was half out of the envelop, but they were still there, all of them. There are still honest people around.
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Good to hear that, Lars, isn't it?
My late Father was a terrible man for opening letters then discovering they had been wrongly delivered....
:-X I often had to tape them up and write apologies. :-[
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A story from the real life about sending money in an ordinary letter. Today i received letter from England. It had been delivered to a wrong address a couple of days ago. The perso who received it apparently didn't know where he or she lived or knew their own name and had opened the letter, cutting it up on two sides. After opening the letter they realised the mistake, wrote a note on the letter to the post to redeliver it on the correct address and returned to the the post(office?). Naturally, they didn't tape the letter. It came through the door with the rest of the mail. The notes was half out of the envelop, but they were still there, all of them. There are still honest people around.
That"s a relief, all seemed to be gloom and doom. ;)
Eric
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I found an unopened paypacked stuffed with cash a few years ago( when you used to get payed with cash) and when I brought it to the local police station still unopened, the policeman at the desk seemed quite shocked that I actually handed it in .
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Hopefully honesty is still living in this weird world ... not everywhere but it's all around us ! I have never opened a mail without getting authorized (even my parents' )
Last friday a friend of mine found a purse in the bus, he opened it of course .... so as to know who was the owner ... and he tried to call her (he let a message presenting himself and noticing he will visit her to give her purse back and so she wouldn't have to block her credit card) What an exemple 8) 23 y-o and honest .... the youth is not that bad finally :P
I am not sure I will pay this way again but ..... I received a package from England this morning ;D Strangely I did not get any confirmation from the post office to tell me the mail arrived well in the UK .... Nevermind I'm very happy this morning 8)
I'll open it on friday evening ... as I'm not living at my parents' home anymore ;) (I don't have garden or balcony here)
Next time I will ask Maren to help me with the order .... and order some plants from hers too :)
Anyway I spent enough money for this season :-X (not only into buying Pleione .... ::))
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Max, if you had autumn or winter flowering ones in your order, I'd suggest you to not wait till friday to open the box... Some of mine were already almost in bloom in the package when it arrived on monday (7 days of travel...) ;)
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Max, I agree with Julien. Open the package now. It is not fair to any seller to have the item forseveral days before opening. If there is any problem in the package, how can you complain when you have had the chance to open and remedy any bad conditions for several days? That would be most un fiar to the seller, when the fault could be the time the package spent with you, unopened!! :P
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I can ask my parents to open and look inside .... but they won't be able to tell me if everything is fine, I am not going to pay the train just for a package, I will wait 1 day for my mother to pick me up where i'm living (I don't need a car here)
Fri the 4th : back home, eveything's ok, 3 bulbs 4 buds (but they will shrivel for sure)
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Hi
just asking iff someone is willing to send the Ian catalogue to my e-mail on a attachment
thanks
aldo
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Welcome, Aldo! I haven't the list myself but I'm sure one of the Forumists will be happy to help you. 8)
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Hi Aldo,
Welcome to the Forum !
I'll see if I can scan mine tonight and mail it to you.
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Hi
thanks
and happy to be a member
by the way Paul the airplant display in Wisley new greenhouse
guess who made it
yes
but i am since two years a pleione freak aswell
so iff any one hass some spare to sell
please let me know
aldo
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Hi Aldo,
Welcome to the world of Pleione obsession. Just a warning but Ian will hold over any orders received now until autumn 2010.
I guess you could go and visit Yaffles in Buckinghamshire, I never have, but I am sure Maren could paint a picture of the nursery that would make us cry! Forumists in the SRGC and the Terrestral Orchid Forum have swap lists / sale lists you could look at.
This is the link to the index page of the Terrestrial Orchid Forum
http://forum.terrorchid.org/index.php?sid=02041cfe50cc7c8f8ad0fe14fce56045 (http://forum.terrorchid.org/index.php?sid=02041cfe50cc7c8f8ad0fe14fce56045)
Regards
Chris
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hi
thanks everybody for the cataloges
will have a decent look in it
see you soon
aldo
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Has Ian Butterfield still got no email address? Paul Phillips mentioned his name to me.
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No he hasn't Fan and I don't think he ever will.. ;)
Snail mail or telephone are the only options...
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Thanks Luc. Would you know whether he would export to us?
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Hi Faan
I doubt Ian is Cites registered and therefore will not export outside the EU. To be honest it's too much hassle. In his catalogue it only mentions UK and EU orders.
Sorry
David
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I have read somewhere that Ian is very experienced at shpping internationally and ensuring the paperwork is appropriate.
Having said that for me no email=no order or no response to email=no order
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Hi Faan, I asked him and confirmed that he doesn't ship to countries outside the EU.
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Faan, I must agree with David and Maren, Ian doesn't send plants outside EU.
You can try any New Zealand or Australian contacts - You'll find them on Paul's websites www.pleione.info.
Or somebody here has a contact to Chen Yi from China - but I'm not pretty sure if it is 100% legall.
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Chen Yi is 100% illegal as far as Orchids go. No Cites and false Phyto certificates listing plants as something else other than orchids.
Your choice.
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Chen Yi is 100% illegal as far as Orchids go. No Cites and false Phyto certificates listing plants as something else other than orchids.
Your choice.
Not a choice as far as I and the SRGC are concerned! Illegal is illegal.... end of story!
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Maggi, I agree - it isn't a choice of mine, I've only found this name on 2006 SRGC forum.
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Hi,
Ian's new catalogue (2010 - 2011) is out. Here is a brief synopsis of the latest additions:
Species:
Pln scopulorum
Hybrids
Pln Lascar 'Dipper' (Fuego x limprichtii) Reddish pink flowers with brown and yellow spots on lips.
Pln Lhasa 'Blushes' (Britannia x Eiger) Large very pale pink flowers. Inside the lip is yellowish with strong red spots.
Pln Lyn Butterfield (Adams x Katmai) Mostly dark mauve pink flowers, lips are yellowish and heavily spotted with red.
Pln Novarupta 'Goshawk' (Versailles x Soufriere) Sepals and petals dark mauve pink,Lip is creamy yellow wit red spots.
Pln St Helens (Keith Rattray x Kenya) Dark flowers in shades of cyclamen purple. Most have dark red on lips.
I had a basket full of Lhasa 'Blushes' on my display at the RHS London Orchid Show last weekend (for which I won a Silver Medal), and they looked stunning. Haven't seen the others yet, probably flower later. I will take piccies when they're in flower - as one or two are likely to end up in my collection.
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I had a basket full of Lhasa 'Blushes' on my display at the RHS London Orchid Show last weekend (for which I won a Silver Medal), and they looked stunning. Haven't seen the others yet, probably flower later. I will take piccies when they're in flower - as one or two are likely to end up in my collection.
Oooh, Maren....pictures, please, when you can!
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Will I automatically get it?
I saw this week my Pleione growing in the peat bed have survived -11oC during the winter
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I don't know, Mark. I don't work for Ian, just happen to talk to him a lot as he lives in the next village and his place is on the way to my nursery. Temptations galore. But I do believe, that he sends catalogues to all his recent customers. Cheers.
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Ian does send it out automatically if you've bought from him the previous season, if you haven't you might have to ask for one.
I normally get Ian's catalogue in September for ordering before the end of the year...
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Hi, for those who are not aware of this, Ian Butterfield will be exhibiting at the Malvern Spring show http://www.threecounties.co.uk/springgardening/admission.html.
I like to go on the first day (Thursday) but am busy so will go on Friday. Yesterday I took a friend to see his nursery and Ian was busy putting together his display on his garage floor, just the bare bones and infrastructure, strategic dwarf trees. There were large rocks he made himself many years ago. They are light to handle and yet they look as if they had just come out of a river bed. He uses old wire bread baskets that he adapted to fit together and make a pretty solid base, hills and valleys, for his pleione landscape.
One learns a lot from watching him do things.
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...and this was the outcome: Gold Medal (I believe his 14th at this venue) and Best In Show. HRH Princess Anne presented him with his medal and had a few nice words to say.
I think it was the best display he has ever produced, and he agreed. It was mainly his son's design, but the execution and plant material were exquisite. Here are some pictures, not my best, I'm afraid, only small camera, no tripod, dodgy light and people jostling, anyway, that's my excuse.
1 Best in show
2 another view of his stand
3 and another view
4 Pln Tolima 'Moorhen'
5 Pln Caroli 'Robin' More detail in the next post.
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Here are a few more:
Pln Gerry Mundey 'Tinney's Firs'
Pln Tolima 'Moorhen'
Pln Alishan 'Merlin' and others
Pln Lascar 'Purple Finch'
Pln Shantung 'Silver Anniversary'
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and just a few more
Pln El Pico 'Pheasant'
Pleione group
Pln Lascar 'Dipper'
Pln Kenya 'Bald Eagle'.
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A truly lovely display of Pleiones, amply rewarded by the best in show award. Cue happy Butterfields all round, I'm sure! Well done on their effort.
Thanks, Maren for these photos..... a super range of colours to tempt anyone to these orchids, I'm sure.
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Thanks for showing these Maren.
It really is a wonderful display.
It's a long time since I last saw a nursery display of Pleione. Probably nearly 20 years ago at a garden show in Glasgow.
Perhaps I will have to put Malvern on my list of 'must attend'. Perhaps next year! Will have to make sure Ian is exhibiting first though!
Graham
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Wonderful pictures Maren ! Thanks so much for showing them !!
What a formidable display !!! :o :o :o
I had the pleasure and privilige to visit Ian's nursery about a month ago and was flabbergasted by what I saw ! :o
I'm still recovering from "Pleionitis" ;D ;D ... a wonderful desease by the way, one I can recommend to anyone ! :D ;)
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thank you for your appreciation of my modest reportage. I believe anyone who has been to Ian's nursery will know that a display like this is just a small 'extract' of what's there.
I feel very privileged to be able to pop in there practically every week on the way to my own little nursery; there is always something I just need to ask him ;) ;) ;). And every week, the picture is different as plants come into flower at different times. Seeing all this glory is good for the heart.
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Thanks for sharing Maren. I wanted to go myself but something came up at the last minute.
Does Ian do any other shows?
David
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Sorry David only this one :( - maybe next year.
K.