Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: johanneshoeller on April 14, 2007, 02:40:33 PM
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My first flowering Cyp (x ventricosum) in a pot and outside! Last year we had snow!
Hans
from Austria
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Hans it looks like You are doing well with Your Cyps :)
It seems to be 2 different plants one more red than the other. Both nice 8)
Are You generally growing cyps in pots? If so, why not in the gound?
Nice to have the Cyp seasong started ;D
Kind regards
Joakim
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I grow most Cyp in the grond. The photos are taken today.
Hans
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My first to open;Cypripedium 'Sabine' (a hybrid between fasciolatum and macranthos).
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Beautiful Anthony.
How about some details on your in-pot culture?
Carlo
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I'm sure Anthony will oblige, Carlo.... meantime, here is a reminder that in "The Rock Garden" SRGC Journal No. 109 (June 2002) ( Vol. XXVII Part 4) Anthony Darby contributed an article, "Cypripediums in the garden". Pages 319-324.
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Hi Maggi how can we get hold of the Journal. I bought yesterday some Cypripedium shanxiense and calceolus seedlings from Laneside alpines. They are a long way off flowering.
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They are a long way off flowering.
Well, Dan, luckily you are youthful so you have time to wait!
You can contact Glassford Sprunt at glassfordsprunt@aol.com He keeps the back issues of the Journal. He should have one in stock and will send you his postal address etc.
If you had been a member a year or so ago you'd have received a CD of all the SRGC Journals, (from the first up to no. 113, I think).
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Not necessarily so, Maggi. Despite hearing about the electronic (up to 113) and being a member for the past 4 or 5 years, I have not received it. AND WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT!
Carlo
(what, me winge?)
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Hiya, Whinger! Poor Carlo, I have a horrible suspicion that the CD may have gone to the NYBG ? ::) :-[ :-\ :'(
I'll look into it for you!
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Many thanks Maggi for your info. Dont know about youth being on my side.
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Oh, crikey, am I mixing you up with the other Dan, who has just turned 23? ??? But surely you worry about buying your girlfriend nice gifts, that doesn't suggest to me that you are 104, but who am I to suggest that romance is dead by that time, even if everything else is ?? :P!!
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Cyp from my garden: unknown (x ventricosum?), fasciolatum and japonicum.
Hans
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Hi all
As I have said before, you can add water but you cannot take it away. It can be wet, very wet, in Dunblane. That having been said, my mix comes from a recipe used in deepest Hampshire: 40% Seramis ®; 40% Perlite (both retain water but has air spaces and you can omit the former, or use Tesco's 'Finest' cat litter); 10% loam and 10% fine or composted bark. A handful of crushed oyster (not cockle shell) as used for chickens benefits some species. This mix is also used to prepare a hole for garden grown plants.
The pot of 'Sabine' has stood out all winter come-what-may on a bed of sand. With species, quarter strength liquid feed once a fortnight, ensuring it has 'washed through' in between times. With robust hybrids, same time scale, but full-strength feed can be used.
Anthony.
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I love that you make it sound easy, Anthony and Sabine is certainly a big strong girl! Do you use a "proprietary" feed? And if so, which?
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I just use the blue stuff, like 'Miraclegrow'.
Sabine got a first for section 59 at Perth, but I suspect a couple of yellow blemishes (half pinky nail size areas where there is no chlorophyll) on the lowest leaves caused, no doubt, by conditions beyond my control did for it?
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Anthony ,
Now two pics NOT from my garden - special for you .
Both are from different wild populations -one in Germany and the other in France
Greetings
Hans
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Be thankful Sabine didn't win a First in Glasgow, Anthony... there is a trophy for the best orchid in at the Glasgow show which, besides being pretty awful to look at has a marble base which weighs about half a hundredweight. Many apologies to the no doubt fabulous person for whom this trophy was commissioned... I merely give my personal opinion on its appearance!
I hope there will be loads of orchids of all sorts at the Glasgow show, delighting the eye and vying for glory! The Glasgow show, by the way, is on Saturday 5th MAY at the Milngavie Town Hall.
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Fantastic to see calceolus in the wild Hans. I have never seen any cyps in nature.
I will be going Millungavvy Maggi and hope to have another cyp ready? I suspect secret Cyril will have a better one though? :-\ This time I don't intend to have a broken collar bone!!! ::)
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Good luck, Anthony! I sincerely hope you do NOT have another broken bone, nor any of the other potential exhibitors, either... makes it so difficult to carry the show plants!
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Hans (Johannes) nice Cyps and pics 8)
How tall are Your faciolatum? and how big are the flowers? It is sometimes said that the flowers are big but the stem short and it would be nice to know if there is a combination of big flowers on tall or medium stems +35 cm.
Hans J Nice pics and nice to see cyp in the wild.
Nice to hear Your mix Adarby. I would think that You might need big holes if Your garden is clay even with this mix.
Nice big Sabine You got. Are You planning of putting it in the ground or are You going for shows next year?
Hope there will come more!
Kind regards
Joakim
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No plans to put 'Sabine' in the garden, Joakim. If it ain't broke, don't fix it is a good maxim. 8) I might repot it this autumn, though? It had two flowers last year and has seven this year. I bought is as a 'pot luck' £3 seedling from Paul Christian (who also sells Cymbidium goeringii Maggi) in 2001.
Anthony.
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Joakim ,
It is a missunderstanding -I grow not any Cypripedium in my garden -I saw this plants before some years in nature .
Sorry but I dont remember about the high of this plants .
Why you write C .faciolatum ? is calceolus wrong ? ( I'm not familar with this plants )
Greetings
Hans
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Hans J
Sorry I mixed the two Hans that posted. Hans J with the calceolus (correctly) in the wild and Johannes (Hans) with the orchids in the garden.
I will now Change the post above so that it will be less confusion. sorry :-[
Joakim
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No problem Joakim ....I know we have 3 "Hans" - if you look I'm from Germany
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Joakim, that Cyp f. flower is very big - 12 cm!! The whole plant looks like Cyp calceolus and is a littler larger than macranthum - so 30-35 cm. But I saw calceolus which are taller than 80 cm.
I am Hans from Austria.
Hans
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Thanks Hans (Johannes)
Then Yu have a great plant. I saw on a different webpage a Gabriella that is a mix with kentuckiense and that had an even bigger flower with twisted petals :o 8)
It is in the slipper orchid forum but one need to register to see the gallery (it is free)
I put the link so that people interested can look at it.
http://www.slipperorchidforum.com/forum/index.php
and for members You can go direct to http://www.slipperorchidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9093
There is also a lot of information about growing and even of flasking Cypripedium there.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Thanks Maggi i am Dan who is 26.
Great pics of all the cypripediums especially calceolus, i have not seen one in the wild (as there is only 1 in the uk as far as i am aware)
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??? Cypripedium pubescens or should it be Cypripedium calceolus var. pubescens.
Henk Westerhof
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The last of my flowering size Cypripediums
Cypripedium Ulla Silkens.
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Henk, Cypripedium parviflorum pubescens cannot be confused with C. calceolus. The former is North American and the latter Eurasian.
Derek, your 'Ulla Silkens' is much earlier than mine. If that is your last, do you have any pics of the earlier ones?
Hans (Austria), my 'Sabine' flowers are about 12 cm across the tepal tips. It is the biggest one I have.
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Derek is Your Ulla Silkens that Yellow?
If so then You are one of the luckt ones since it is more often in white with red markings. red dots and Yellow!
That is one to hope for. 8) Thanks for showing and sharing. BTW did You choose Yours in bloom or was it before it bloomed that You chose it?
Henk the old name was calceolus var pubecens but it is now agreed that it is NOT calceolus at al even if it is yellow and brownish.
I think there are even discussions if it is parviflorum var pubescens or just pubescens. Nice pic thanks for showing.
Adarby with the parents being fasciolatum and macrathos, Sabine has the potentials to be big. It seems as hybrids of fasciolatum get BIG flowers even bigger than fasciolatum itself (unless the other is a small flower). I prefer Your white red flower rather than the one at Frosch webpage with a yelow and white. With macranthos as one of the parents the colour can vary a bit I presume. Thanks for the size info.
Joakim
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Thanks Maggi i am Dan who is 26.
I have always thought you were ellen :-\
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We are both Ellen and Dan.
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We are both Ellen and Dan
makes me think of 'Seven of Nine' , somehow!
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Here is my first cyp C Fasciolatum .
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Joakim, Yes that is about the right colour.
Derek
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Great Cyp fasciolatum Ian.
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Hi
Here is a photo of Cypripedium Ingrid.
It is growing in a raised bed in the garden.
I bought it last year and protected it from the rain over winter, and this year it is going to have 4 flowers, so it must be happy.
Rob
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An ordinary Cyp calceolus from Austria, or isn't it?
Cyp ?????
Cyp guttatum,
Cyp x ventricosum
Cyp x froschii
Hans
Austria
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Hans, does this calceolus always have yellow tepals? I have seen pics of this form before. Your second one reminds me of Cypripedium 'Emil'?
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Yes, this calceolus is always pure yellow! You can sometimes find such Cyp calceolus (albus) in Austria.
Hans
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It is unusual and a form I will have to look out for. I have three clumps of calceolus. Two, from different sources, are very similar. The third, which is labelled 'Kunashir', which sounds as if it is in the 'Far East' (Edinburgh?). It has two shoots with flower buds so I will see it flower for the first time in a week or two.
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Hans (Johannes)
Nice pictures.
Regarding Your second I would dare to think it is a natural hybrid between calceolus and shanxiense.
Atleast the color fits the color of Yours. See the below link from Frosch.
http://www.w-frosch.onlinehome.de/calsha.htm
I think Emil is Yellow with only little red around the lip since both parents are yellow but I might be wrong only seen it on pictures.
http://www.w-frosch.onlinehome.de/emil.htm
I first thought Your first was a pubicens but then it can not be growing wild in Austria. I think the yellow calceolus sometimes are known as calceolus var flavum but am not sure.
Thanks for sharing
Kind regards
Joakim
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Hans (Johannes)
Since I am in my guessing mode I would like to say that the one in an earlier post
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=422.msg11003#msg11003
Might be a cross between a x ventricosum and calceolus or a "man made" Ventricosum or calceolus x macranthos as Malmgren likes to call them.
Or maybe You are right in it being a x ventricosum.
Here are some pics on it from Frosch
http://www.w-frosch.onlinehome.de/ventr.htm
Sorry for the late reply but it is only a guess from my side any way.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Ian may I be so unpolite that I ask about the size of Your...... Cyp fasciolatum. both hight of plant and size of flower.
I am trying to see if there are different types around for them.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim, if you check http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/283/31407.html?1148925206 you will see that my Cypripedium 'Emil' has a lot of red on the pouch. Notice that my C 'Sabine' was flowering on 8/5/06, nearly three weeks later than this year.
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Adarby Thank for the link I might have seen them before but it was great to see them again. 8)
I hope they will come bigger and better (and as You say earlier) this Year ;D.
Yes sometimes parviflorum has a bit of red "lipstick mark" on them and take that to the hybrids.
See the red Johnny Petersen from parviflorum x rebunese Yellow and the other one cream.
http://www.w-frosch.onlinehome.de/jonny.htm
http://www.lidaforsgarden.com/Orchids/cypripedium_eng_hybrid.htm
Yours are nicely colored but I think the pouch is more of a shanxiense especially if one look at the pic from Hans (Johannes) in Your link 2006. It is more towards brown and more evenly colored compared to Yours. If Hans bought Emil he might remember it but the other hybrid might not have been known since it is not "manmade". Maybe if one would measure the plant it would be possible to tell. I am not an expert on this so it might be an Emil with "lipstick markings" but I have my money on the natural hybrid.
There was a question about a similar looking one that turned out to be shanxiense x calceolum but th link goes to a forum where You need to be a member :( but anyone interested in cypripedium is strongly reckomended and it is free and no junk mail or anything so I like that forum as well. 8) 8)
http://www.slipperorchidforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8525
Whatever it is I am looking forwards to see more of them 8)
Maybe I will even have someting to show myself ::)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim C Fasciolatum is a new one to me, I have had this only 18 months, but this specimen is about 20-25cm high and the flowers are very large the pouch being at leat 6cm
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Thanks for the info Ian :)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Thanks everybody for the nomenclature Cypripedium pubescens
Henk Westerhof
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Here is some of my Cyps. They grow wery well here in Norway.
http://www.cactuz.org/kjellk/gallery/cypripedium01
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Nice pictures Kjell :o 8)
Wellcome to the forum ;D
Are they ready already? I thought they would take a while up north. I see that some of the pcs are from 2006 but are not sure if the rest is from 2007 or also from 2006.
But You seem to grow both in garden and under glass in pots so that might be faster.
Please let us know something more about the pictuers like who they are and how You grow them if You can take the time. Like do You need to have them comered during winter or do You have cold enought winters not to have any problem with them being wet?
I am only guessing that the Yellow and red is Johnny Petersen red due to You being in Scandinavia. That would be a very nice lump of Johnny P and if it is something else it is an very nice lump of that. ::)
Thanks for sharing
Joakim
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Here is a picture of cypripedium emil growing outside in a raised bed.
I only got this at the beginning of the year. It has one flower.
Rob
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Some new Cyp from my garden.
unknown (x ventricosum?)
calceolus
froschii
henryi
macranthum
macranthum alba
calceolus
pubescens
Hans
Austria
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Hans very nice cyps 8) :o
I like them all :-*
Is the macranthos/macranthum alba a bit yellowish/cream? Then it could be macranthos var rebunese as seen on this link
http://www.w-frosch.de/Arten/rebun.htm
It is even more rare but they are both very nice, very nice indeed. I like the broad lip on the alba/rebunese 8)
Nice growing and thanks a lot for sharing
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim, the mac. alba is pure white. The yellow comes from the sun/shaddow and a little rain.
Hans
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Thanks for that information Hans.
It is a great plant You have 8)
Joakim
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Cypripedium calceolus and Cypripedium X ventricosum.
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Nice Emil Rob that is how i expected Emil to look like. ;D
Nice bunch of calceolus Adarby and very nicely grown in the rock environment. 8)
Are the ventricosum grown in pot to be used for shows, or is it just better for You to grow like that?
Thanks for sharing
Kind regards
Joakim
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The Ventricosum is grown in a pot because it does better for me this way. I have had it since February 1998, when it was a single nose. Anthony.
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Anthony thanks for the information
Going from 1 nose to atleast 13 flowers is not to bad (actually very good I would say 8)) so obviously it is the way to go for You with it ;D.
Kind regards
Joakim
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I have 'Emil' nearly out so will take its pic. It has 19 flowers from one two years ago.
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Anthony with that growth on Your Emil You will soon only have ONE plant in the whole garden and city if it continues in that exponentional growth-rate 8) ::)
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Joakim. The plant doesn't occupy much space. I have dug it up for tomorrow's Glasgow show and put it in an 8" (20 cm) pot. Here it is on the kitchen work top (aka "bunker") being tarted up ready for the show. Still not completely out, and, as it was in the ground yesterday, looking one way. Heigh ho. ::)
Anthony.
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Anthony, do I spy a little grime towards the bottom of your pot? Time to get the toothbrush and 'Brillo Pad' out!
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That's a 'before' pic David. It had been standing in 3" of dilute systemic fungicide to ensure any broken roots don't get infected. The plastic pot had been scrubbed with hot soapy water before the plant went near it. The C. X ventricosum is going too. A pity the Iris cycloglossa has such untidy habits. Its flowers are looking good.
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You all here have magnificent Cypripediums. I wish I had so big clumps of this orchid one year. Mine is just going to open its flowers in day or two. I have bought it last year, a single plant. This year it will flower with two flowers and also have released two more “shoots”. I also regret, that this species has become extinct in my area. Here were hundreds plants and they all were dug out or cut. :(
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Finally mine Cypripedium calceolus have opened its flowers. What a beautiful view. I can't emagine how magic it would look in the nature... Have a look on it:
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The calceolus looks like it is growing in the wild so You managed to fit it very well I would say.
Hope it continues to do well
Kind regards
Joakim
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Krzysztof, your calceolus looks very natural. For the first few years it should double each year. Here is my Cypripedium 'Emil' again.
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Some Cypripedium. What could be the first Cyp??? Calceolus?
Cyp tibeticum x parviflorum
Cyp macranthum semi-alba
Cyp flavum (brown, yellow)
Cyp calceolus
Cyp flavum (yellow, green)
Cyp calceolus (brown)
Hans
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Here's Cypripedium x ventricosum. This is one clone as it was a single nosed plant when I got it from Ian Christie in 1998. I have no ideas why there is so much variation in flower colour, but one year a two flowered stem had one flower like 'flower 3' and one like 'flower 4'! :o
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Beautiful plants Hans and Anthony.
Our C. farrerii has this year 2 flower. Or is it C. fasciolatum? What is the difference? I remember, that you have corrected the name last year.
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Nice PIcs 8)
Johannes I have tried to find out what Your unknown are but I have not any good guess. Is the flower always like that? Maybe it is a bit distorted this year due to something unknown.
Is it maybe a prevoius unknown cross between calceolus and palangshanense? They do not seem to overlap so it might be a bad guess but the first one I have. Below a link on how palangshanse looks like (it is not always that redish).
http://www.w-frosch.de/Arten/palan.htm
Unless it is a henryi that is a bit strange or a mix with calceolus. Maybe with a calceolus var flavum (green one) the coulours get similar.
http://www.w-frosch.onlinehome.de/memor.htm
Anthony Nice variation 8) It must be the very variable macranthos that has this effect. Maybe not all the colouration is expressed in all of the parts of the plant.
Ewelina The difference is the size but there is a site where they show the difference between the two. Fasciolatum is bigger
http://www.w-frosch.de/Arten/Bestimm/b1_3b2d.htm
Kind regards
Joakim
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Thank you, Joakim. You have helped me. In that case mine is fasciolatum.
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Ewelina You are wellcome. It is nice to help by just referring to people with more knowledge than me. One need not to know the answer just where to find it :) ::).
Faciolaatum gives big flowers and it is now used a lot to make big flowered hybrids. 8)
Kind regards
Joakim
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The different colours of flowers on my ventricosum has raised some comment. here is a pic of the plant in 1999 with a single, double flowering, stem.
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Some Cyps from my garden
plectrochilon
calceolus
smithii
flavum x reginae (3 different)
guttatum
macranthum x parviflorum
Hans
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Here is Cypripedium x ventricosum album (two clones + 'Emil' to the left) in yesterday morning's frost. No damage done.
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Cyp. montanum x, yatabeanum
Hans
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Anthony & Hans,
I could fall seriously in love with these plants. I have never grown them only admired photographs in books and catalogues and have always been put off by the very high prices and the fear they might not be hardy in the open garden. With that in mind I was delighted to see Anthony's covered in frost with no ill effects. We are well past frosts here; it would be very exceptional to have a frosty night for us at this time of year. It might be time for me to give them a try.
Can you recommend a good source of plants? - reasonably priced and good quality.
Paddy
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Peter Corkhill is the best grower and supplier of his own seed-grown plants. I can send you his last list, but he only sends out dormant plants from October to March. This link should prove useful Paddy [ http://www.cypripedium.de/forum/messages/574.html], but also Ratcliffe Orchids (Formerly 'Hardy Orchids Ltd http://www.hardyorchids.co.uk/) and Laneside Alpines. Hayley's Hardy Orchids too [ http://myworld.ebay.co.uk/hayleys.hardy.orchids/]. BTW, most cyps are hardy down to -28oC. More problems arise from these plants not having a long enough vernalisation period i.e. up to 4 months where the soil temperature is 5oC or below.
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Paddy If You are up for an adventure You can by seedlings that are more tricky to take care of but also much cheaper.
A place to buy them and also some that are big is Phytesia
http://www.phytesia.com/particuliers_plantes.php
I have only bought seedlings from them.
Frosch is selling nice plants once a year andthey are good quality and price but finish in hours!!!
http://www.w-frosch.onlinehome.de/menu_e.htm
Good luck with them
Joakim
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If you have not tried cyps before DON'T buy seedlings. They take years to reach flowering size and are very difficult. Hybrids are best as they are easier and faster e.g. I bought Cypripedium 'Philipp' 18 months ago. Last year it had three stems but no flowers. This year it has 5 flowering stems; a year before I bought 'Emil' which had one flower in 2005, 12 in 2006 and 19 this year. In 2001 I bought C. 'Sabine' and C. macranthos seedlings (one of each). The 'Sabine' flowered in 2006 (two flowers in 2006, 7 this year) but the macranthos still hasn't produced a flower yet. :(
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Hi there Paddy, i have bought quite a few Cyps off Jeff at Laneside alpines, seedlings to flowering size all doing really well.
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The smaller Cyps will flower after 3-4 years.
An unknown Cyp (for me), reginae and farreri.
The last Cyp is not mine.
Hans
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Paddy, I have just been contacted by Hayley ( address in Anthony`s post) she has some just arriving at a very reasonable price but hurry there are not very many.
Derek
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Paddy, in which Cyps are you interested? Maybe I can help you. Prices are very reasonable.
Hans
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Many thanks to all for such helpful advice and encouragement. They really are an extraordinarily beautiful genus of plants and I would dearly like to start growing them.
Hans, you ask which Cypripedium I would like to grow. The answer is naively simple - those that will grow for me. I imagine it is better to start with the easier ones first before venturing on to more difficult species.
I hope you who are experienced at growing cypripedium might make suggestions.
Paddy
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Paddy, any of the robust hybrids such as Gisela, Ulla Silkens, x ventricosum or even Sabine are suitable. Calceolus is also a good species plant with which to start. I plan to repot some of mine in the autumn, and that may afford the opporchancity to do some splitting?
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Here's a tiny one, also taken on the frosty morning. Cypripedium 'Sebastian'. It has montanum as one of its parents.
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I've had a look at all the websites you recommended and again I saw beautiful plants. Now, please forgive me sounding like a real skinflint but at present these prices are more than I am willing to pay. I must start dropping the hints in time for next birthday - though I have already started dropping hints for a book to be published in September, major expensive, so maybe I will wait another while for the cypripediums.
Gardening would be a complete bore if we had all we wanted immediately. It is always a great interest to have some plant in mind that one will get 'one day'.
I'll keep admiring your photographs in the meantime.
Paddy
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Great show everybody !
Anthony do the flowers survive these late frosts unharmed ??
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I don't they would tolerate a really heavy frost, but they were OK after this week's. Even my newly unfurling tree fern (Dicksonia antarctica) fronds, some of which are almost fully out, were untouched. A friend lost his Courgette plants, which he had put out to harden off, though.
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absolutely stunning everyone. I didnt know, like many others, that this thread existed until just now
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A great pic of Cypripedium 'Sebastian' Anthony, you seem to have every Cyp going.
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I like the scale of 'Sebastian'. Neat little chap but still showy, pity he's not growing in a pot, Anthony!!
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'Sebastian' is already showing signs of age - slipper goes translucent and shrivels. 'Emil' wasn't in a pot and is back in the ground. I would have to dig 'Philipp' out, but it won't be ready. Everything else is a week or so away. Because of the nature of the medium, they are easy to dig up. The substrate just falls away and the roots can be washed with fungicide (and no, I can't remember which one, but it's smelly and comes in a small bottle ::)) just in case any were broken.
Having seen Bambi the other night, it was Thumper's turn to show a face in my garden this morning. Here puss puss. Nice kitty. Catch the naughty wabbit. Sorry, that's Bugs Bunny. :P Touch my plants and you're dead! >:(
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I just had an email from friend Don in Australia that his blasted bower bird ate the blue berries on MY coprosma. Have to wait till next year now. >:( :'(
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"...blasted bower bird ate the blue berries on MY coprosma."
How unfortunate. Pity you can't ask anyone else for some.
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and as bad as the starling that has taken many of my plants, bought in the Czech Republic, for his/her nest
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....and there was me thinking that plants with berries were grown for eating - either by humans, or by wildlife. ::) Our neighbour had a beautiful cotoneaster overhanging our back fence that attracted Waxwings (Bombycilla garrulus) every year. (It was the only reason I could see for growing this plant. ???) He chopped it down and replaced it with 'Castlewellan Gold' >:( I protect cyps from early damage, either by deer or footballs with the use of upturned hanging basket frames. Wouldn't stop starlings, but Mark will need to invest in some wee wire mesh devices. I did to protect plants in the greenhouse from mice before I 'nuked' them. 8)
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this is one of my Cyp reginae taken today. Only one out of 5 very poor. The others must be dead or taking a year out. One pot of C. reginae bought 3 weeks ago is only just poking through.
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Some Cyps from my garden (? and flavum) and nature (calceolus).
Hans
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Nice plants Hans
Does ? always look like that every time it blooms? It looks by the flower type like if it is a hybrid with acuale, formosanum or japonicum but none of the ones in the Frosch webpage seems to look like that.
Just going by colour it could be something like x ventricusum or any backcrossing with calceolus or macranthos.
Maybe someone else knows better ???
It was very interesting to see it.
Nice pictures of the wild calceolus :)
It must be great to see them growing wild 8)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Beautiful pictures Hans !
Why take the trouble to grow Cyps in the garden when you can walk out and see such beautiful specimen at your backdoor in the forrest ?? ;D
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Hans, I fully agree with Luc.
My compliments - very attractive.
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Here's some more: Cc. acaule; calceolus from Peter Corkhill; 'Philipp'; 'Karl Heinz' and daliense in bud.
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Antony, wonderful Cyps.
Cyp calceolus from the Austrian Alps.
Hans
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Forgot to add 'Ulla Silkens'. This form only shows the swept back petals of Cypripedium flavum, otherwise it is virtually C. reginae.
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Some mouth watering Cyps, a joy to behold. I have had a lot of aphids on mine ( can't spot them easily these days un less I take my reading glasses out with me). I'm a little hesitant to drench them with chemicals. Ian what do you or others use that is safe AND efficient in dispelling the little blighters?
Here is a close up of C. guttatum
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Here's another form of Cypripedium calceolus. This time from Kunashir, one of the islands belonging to Russia(?), north of Japan.
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At the end of the saison reginae, reginae alba and reginae x acaule!
Hans
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Cyp. wardii, one of the late flowering Cyps.
Hans
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Very nice pics. Thanks for sharing.
Hans did the strange looking cyp always flower like it did this year? (Picture in posting 21 of May).
Is reginae X acuale smaller (flower and plant) than reginae? It is a nice looking one that one. 8)
Hopefully I will have something to share as well soon. :)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim, the Cyps do always flower like they did this year!!
Cyp reginae x acaule (plant and flower) is a little smaller than a (very large) reginae, but nevertheless large.
Last year my friend's Cyp reginae x acaule were auctioned for EUR 12,-- at an exhibition (Orchid regulars's table - correct word???). Too cheap - I mean.
Hans
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Hans,
your Cyps collection is amazing! Like your pics.
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Hans the ? is very special and if I had it, I would be very curious of what it is. I am still curious even if it is not mine. ::) Test to have it identifyed at cypripedium.de or at slipperforum.com.
12€ for a nice looking flower sized cypripedium plant is very cheap. If it was a seedling it was not that cheap. Even if it would be "just" reginae as was what some people claim in the beginning. I think that this is changing since there are much more reginae crosses coming now, thus more people also accept reginae x acuale as a true cross.
The example You have is very beutifull I would say.
Thanks for charing
Joakim
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One of the biggest? cypripedium 'mikael'
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http://www.cypripedium.de/forum/
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Cypripedium corrugatum if I'm correctly informed.
(http://www.lysthaven.dk/forum/files/cypripedium_corrugatum_154.jpg)
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Love the pic of Cypripedium corrugatum. I would love to know more about it as i have not heard of it before.
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Love the pic of Cypripedium corrugatum. I would love to know more about it as i have not heard of it before.
Cypripedium corrugatum seems to be a form of C. tibeticum.
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Wow!! I've said it before about Cyps, and I'll almost certainly say it again!!!!!!!! Great Stuff!! :o
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Joakim,
the first photo of my posting #105 should be Cyp. tibeticum. M. Weinert thinks so.
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Hans
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Thanks for the information Hans :)
The colors are tibeticum and very nice such. 8)
It will be interesting to see how it will look next year. ;D
Kind regards
Joakim
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Here are a few wild Newfoundland Cypripedia taken in early July while we were on the annual Wildflower Society long field trip, this time to the SW corner of the Island. These are lime lovers, we also have C. acaulis everywhere. Parviflora is on the limestone pavements, the other two are woodland species/forms.
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Hi Paddy,
Not sure if this has already been covered but Michael Weinert at Frosch Exclusive Perennials (Germany) has a large range of hybrid cypripediums that are extremely healthy and should do well for you. I have been importing them into the Southerm hemisphere and they even make it through our very nasty quarantine requirements and grow on well. I am looking forward to some great flowers this season. A link to his website is below. Cheers, Tim
http://www.cypripedium.de/English/english.html
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Cypripedium corrugatum if I'm correctly informed.
(http://www.lysthaven.dk/forum/files/cypripedium_corrugatum_154.jpg)
maybe they will stand up if you give them more sun light... :) I grow them in full sun when air temperature is not high, leaves got a little yellow but are healthy.
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It looks as if there has been rain in Magnar's picture and that's what's bowing down the flower heads (he's in North Norway after all :))
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Did anyone order plants from Werner Frosch today?
When I first looked at the website at about 09.30am there were five listed as available:
Reginae
Calceolus
Aki
Carolin
Maria
When I checked the site half an hour later the Carolin and Calceolus had gone.
I was wondering if the choicest ones sold out before I had time to look at the site, has anyone got a full list of what was available?
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I lifted and split my Cyp Ingrid today.
The first pic shows the clump with 8 large buds and 4 small buds.
The next picture shows the four plants I had after splitting. They all have good healthy looking white roots, so fingers crossed they will do well next year.
I did have one disaster and knocked off a large bud on the piece on the left.
I have planted three back in the same spot and moved one elsewhere for extra piece of mind.
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Nice roots, Rob! Its hard to imagine that from one of those tiny things an exotic flower will grow! They are so fragile! If i had Cyps, i think i would die with fear of rot, each time the folliage withered by fall !
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Did anyone order plants from Werner Frosch today?
When I first looked at the website at about 09.30am there were five listed as available:
Reginae
Calceolus
Aki
Carolin
Maria
When I checked the site half an hour later the Carolin and Calceolus had gone.
I was wondering if the choicest ones sold out before I had time to look at the site, has anyone got a full list of what was available?
I ordered plants from Mr. Frosch for several years. You can send him an e-mail (june/july next year ;) ) and you can get the list before Mr. Frosch gets the rest of his available plants in his hompage.
sorry for my english ... ;D
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Hey Irm - is that really you???
Welcome back!!!
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Hey Irm - is that really you???
Welcome back!!!
yes yes, Irm, Berlin, the old ....
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Not bought any cyps recently, but here is a good link: http://www.cypripedium.de/forum/messages/2555.html
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That's an excellent demo Anthony, worthy of the bulb log. My one cyp (C. formosanum) has almost reached that stage again, though it hasn't flowered since the last time I divided it, about 4 years ago. Any tips to solve THAT problem? There are nine shoots this year but well spaced out over a big pot.
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Lesley, I had the same problem with my C. formosanum and was told by 'one in the know', that the flower buds were probably aborting because of water from overhead. I made sure that I didn't let any water get onto the foliage that year and it produced a pot full of flowers.
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I'm not sure that will be the problem here John. There has been nothing that looked like the beginnings of a bud to abort (like with double trilliums for instance). It could be too dry through almost all the year and I'm pouring on water now while it's in leaf to try and get the "noses" growing a bit stronger. I had it in the garden for a long time and no flowers. Thought it was too cold in winter so put it in a large pot in the tunnel and still no flowers. It's not the clone or anything like that because I gave a piece to a friend in the central (much colder) North Island and his flowers quite disgustingly freely. I may also have it planted too deeply so when it dies down again, I'll lift and replant closer to the surface. I seem to remember Anthony or someone suggesting shallow planting for cyps.
Is it OK to fertilize cyps? say with a high potash Osmacote? And I will keep watering to below the foliage, rather than douse the leaves as I currently do. Thanks.
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Spot on Lesley--I had the same problem with my C.formosanum.It was only after i replanted shallow ,just under the top of the leafmold mix that i started to get flowering.
A pic a few minutes ago of a plant well past its best .Background is dark as the Cyp. has started to 'run' in amongst a clump of Paris.Another potential weed---!!!!!sigh--lol.
Now i must get away back to work.
Cheers dave.
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Is it OK to fertilize cyps? say with a high potash Osmacote? And I will keep watering to below the foliage, rather than douse the leaves as I currently do. Thanks.
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Hello Lesley,
Yes do fertilise your formosanum, at 1/4 strenghth with something like cymbidium orchid food for flowers every fortnight,its inorganic.My plant came from Otto about 5yrs ago and it flowers every year.
Shouldnt think that watering the foliage would stop it from flowering, I do, they love it!!
Dont recomend a granular fertiliser, as there may be a risk of an over dose of salts as its tempreture dependant in release and on a hot day could mean too much is realeased when watered.
good luck!!
Cheers
Stephen Vella
Blackheath, Australia....raining cats and dogs here !
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Thanks Stephen, I'll do as suggested then.
Pleased to see you've joined the Forum. Much more interesting and dynamic than the nowadays thoroughly boring Trillium-L.
I've been to Blackheath briefly, 4 years ago. I remember a very nice bakery with super pies and other things. Hope to visit again next year. Also have been to Mt Tomah Botanic Garden as well. A most interesting and attractive place.
Cheers
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Thanks for the welcome note, Lesley :) Yes I do agree that this forum is very dynamic but I would'nt say Trillium-L was boring, it has lots to offer and they got me hooked on Trilliums.
And yes the best bakery in the Blue mountains has to be the Blackheath bakery, their cakes are supplied by local residents..home made, YUM!
Cheers
Stephen Vella
Blackheath Australia
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Stephen,
Welcome to teh forum. Great to have you with us.
Dave,
Your Cyps are "running" amongst a clump of Paris? I think I'm going to be sick!! :o I can only imagine how much of a hardship it must be for you!! ;D I wonder how many people around the world feel the urge to kill you about now!! ;)
Closest I have to a Cyp is a Paphiopedilum orchid. Not quite the same, and definitely not running!! ::) :D Lovely pic by the way.... the black background suits it beautifully!
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A warm welcome to you, Stephen!
Dont recomend a granular fertiliser, as there may be a risk of an over dose of salts as its tempreture dependant in release and on a hot day could mean too much is released when watered.
An excellent point to make about pelletised/granular fertilisers.... not realised by many, is this danger of a release of too much/ overdose or just too much at the wrong time with this type... it's why we don't use it much.
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Paul--I understand Cyp formosanum ,(the only species i have),is one of the easy ones-- so no great skill in it multiplying here in our cool moist climate.
I'm seriously thinking of *sorting out the entry requirements ,(NZ Conservation Department --Biosecurity --Quarantine ---etc etc and all the paperwork that goes with it!!!!) and then ordering about a dozen hybrids to be imported into the country.
My biggest concern is where/how they would be quarantined in NZ---I'm guessing it would need to be down this end of the country for them to survive that period and i'm uncertain whether there is a facility here in Southland.
While there are about 20 species listed on our approved list last time i looked ,i'll also need to check that hybrids from any of those parents will be okay .
*It'll have to be a winter job when things are a bit quieter.
Cheers Dave.
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Blue Mountain Nurseries has a public quarantine facility and Denis Hughes would certainly be interested but your main problem is you'll have to get a CITES certificate, even for man-made hybrids. Issued by DOC who are bloody-minded about bringing in exotic plants.
Otherwise, hybrids of permitted species are OK.
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Hello Maggie and Paul,
Maggie about the pelleted fertilizer, its released at the right time, its just too unpredictable, some of the cheaper brands just release it all at one time with your watering cause the coating breaks down too fast and with Cyps you just need to be very carefull, could mean an end to a collection.
Paul there are Cyps in Aus, species and Frosh hybrids and they come at an added big price.
In regards to CITES papers, Lesley you right when it comes to importing adult Cyps but this is excempt with seedling that come in vitro ''gell media in a container", hybrids and species Cypripediums. Something to think about. Also with flask seedlings there's no need to Quarantine or fumigate and if you know someone flying into the country your allowed 6 flasks in with a quick inspection, look over at the airport, well thats here ;D maybe differant there in N.Z. ::)
cheers
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, well thats here ;D maybe differant there in N.Z. ::)
cheers
You bet!!! Still, might be worth an argument or two.
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I decided to dig up a clump of Cypripedium Emil with a view to dividing it. I washed all the compost off it and then bottled it and replanted it as it was. :-\ I counted 26 noses. :)
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The clump looks a lot cleaner in the second pic without the dead leaves.
Will you be treating your other cyps in the same way?
I think it must be easier to divide clumps before they get to be such large specimens. I wouldn't like to try and untangle such a thick mat of roots.
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I found this photo on the hard disk...
(http://www.utsidan.se/obj/photo/9f/9faea946aa16d76018c184a605052c46.jpg)
Good tools for pollination...
/Stellan
http://www.sandstorm.se (http://www.sandstorm.se)
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Anthony, you really are too large to be a chicken... you should have split Emil... even if only into two pieces... there seems to be a simple line of attack!
Well: just looked again at the photo.. dividing line is NOT as clear as I first thought.... but you should have had a go! Carpe cypripedium and all that! :-\
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The trouble is, it has only taken three seasons for the 'Emil' to grow that size! I'd have to be dividing it every year. :o Hopefully it will spread out next year? I have just repotted my spotted leaved cyps and they seem fine, but they are in the greenhouse. The other potted ones may get the treatment, but I only did 'Emil' becuase it was a large clump in the spring and in the garden they can suffer from what surrounds them e.g. clay, other plants etc.
That pollination device certainly gave me a giraffe ::) Not much use for cyps though as the stamens and stigma are inside and designed for bees: the first time a bee squeezes out of the pouch (it can't get out through the large 'entrance') it smears itself with pollen. In the next flower, some of this gooey mess rubs off onto the stigma, before it picks up more pollen on its way out of the flower.
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Here's a link to show you what my 'Emil' looked like May 04 (you'll need to scroll down). Five shoots but only one flower. http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/283/2305.html Shows you how different vigorous hybrids are from species.