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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Brian Ellis on July 31, 2009, 10:34:10 PM
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Looking good at the moment is Asclepias tuberosa
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Looking good at the moment is Asclepias tuberosa
indeed! hard to top that colour!
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Hi Gerd,
The name Musala is of Turkish origin - Mus - Alah/Allah, Bulgaria
was part of the Ottoman empire for 400 to 500 years!
I have attached pics of microlepis from Mt.Musala and Mt.Botev
I kind of suspect the var. musalae should be a collection and not a variety,
there is no entry in Flora Bulgarica for this variety.
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Hi Gerd,
The name Musala is of Turkish origin - Mus - Alah/Allah, Bulgaria
was part of the Ottoman empire for 400 to 500 years!
I have attached pics of microlepis from Mt.Musala and Mt.Botev
I kind of suspect the var. musalae should be a collection and not a variety,
there is no entry in Flora Bulgarica for this variety.
fantastic plant! and looks like some other cool stuff growing there too..
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I find that Nymphaeas are easily misnamed and itis difficult to unravel this.
Is this varigeation similar to that in yellow hardy Nymphaeas and Do you think that it is influence from N mexicana which allegedly is a parent of the Marilac yelows?
Göte
My immediate thought was that the yellow Nymphaea have similar markings (although not as strong) and wondered whether it was similar.... but Göte beat me to it. ;D
Gote, yes, Stuart has complained about getting many mislabelled water lilies also!
Gote and Paul, I'm not sure exactly what aspect of the leaf variegation your questions are about but I will try to answer. :) (Please feel free to restate the questions, if I'm barking up the wrong tree! Perhaps someone can answer sensibly, if not me. ;D)
The variegation on the leaves of 'Crystal' (tropical viviparous day-bloomer) is more intense than on the hardy yellows that spring to mind, e.g. 'Chromatella', 'Helvola'. It is also nicely set off by the darker green leaves, but it fades quickly as the leaves age (as opposed to tropical day-bloomer 'Albert Greenburg' - a readily available comparison - where the variegation fades only slightly).
Re. whether the leaf variegation in 'Crystal' is from N. mexicana, I don't know. N. mexicana is a hardy species, while 'Crystal' is a tropical... apparently, hardy water lilies and night-blooming tropicals are now considered to be fairly closely related, but hardy water lilies and day-blooming tropicals, less so (Slocum, 2005). I couldn't find anything in our books that suggests that N. mexicana is used in hybridizing with tropical species... ? So, I have no idea on that one! Any thoughts? (By the way, 'Crystal' was introduced by Don Bryne, Suwannee Laboratories, Florida.)
Re. N. mexicana being a parent of hardy Marliac yellows, on the basis of leaf variegation... Browsing through Slocum's book for Marliacs with variegated leaves, here's some info:
N. 'Andreana' (orange & yellow), 'Arethusa' (red) = N. alba var. rubra x N. mexicana
N. 'Aurora' (yellow to red, changeable), 'Robinsoniana' (orange-red), 'Seignoureti' (yellow-orange changeable) = "Probably" N. alba var. rubra x N. mexicana
N. 'Chromatella' (yellow) = N. alba x N. mexicana
N. 'Helvola' (yellow) = "Probably" N. tetragona x N. mexicana (NB. Both of these species have spotted leaves.)
There is also a considerable number of Marliac lilies with variegated leaves for which the parentage is said to be "unknown", e.g. N. 'Arc-en-Ciel' (pink to white), 'Colonel A. J. Welch' (yellow), 'Comanche' (changeable), 'Ellisiana' (red), 'Fulva' (red-orange), 'Gloriosa' (red), 'Laydekeri Fulgens(red)/Lilacea(pink)/Purpurata(red-white)/Rosea(pink)', 'Paul Hariot'(orange changeable), 'Sanguinea' (yellow-orange changeable), 'Sioux' (changeable), 'Solfatare' (apricot), 'Somptuosa' (pink-red), 'Splendida' (pink).
I don't have an opinion really, but it seems like it may be true that variegation in Marliac hardy yellows is from N. mexicana, from what Slocum indicates. (Well, at least something better than 50-50 probability, with that "probably" in there... ;))
Another book seems to suggest that N. mexicana was used to impart changeability, which also seems likely, from what Slocum indicates.
Edit: Oh, and I was wrong to say that Marliac lilies were "sterile"/infertile. Apparently, the problem is not with fertility, but with "the high variability of chromosome counts, or ploidy, in their pollen" (ref. Encyclopedia of Water Garden Plants, Speichert & Speichert). While the plant itself has a stable, definable chromosome count, the pollen and eggs do not, which may result in unsuccessful pollination (due to differing chromosome numbers between egg and pollen or if the sum of the two is odd)... ???
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Hi Cohan,
Yes, many cool plants growing on Mt.Musala, my favourites were Aqulegia aurea and Gentiana frigida.
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Hi all,
Got a chance to get out yesterday,last day of July....!
One of our coll of echinacea,more to follow
Cichorium roseum hope I have the name right
Cichorium roseum brought inside to capture.
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More pics from the Rila mountains:
Aconitum lycoctonum on a montane streamside.
Anthemis cretica (?)
Armeria (maritima) alpina
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Two extremes of Eucomis,
Ecomis bicolor, 24 inches from top of pot to top of bloom.
Eucomis octopus 5 inches from top of pot to top of bloom.
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Hi Cohan,
Yes, many cool plants growing on Mt.Musala, my favourites were Aqulegia aurea and Gentiana frigida.
Chris, Thank you once again for the explanation of 'Musala'!
Good to have a specialist near (I suggest) the home of Aquilegia aurea.
Does this species grow on limefree soil? There is a vague reference in a German specialist book (Wocke) that perhaps indicates that.
This columbine was never happy in my garden - Aquilegia chrysantha, which usually is the result when 'aurea' seeds are ordered grows like a weed.
I would be glad when you will do me the favour to tell a little bit about the growing conditions of this beautiful species in the wild.
Gerd
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No Lori. You are not barking up the wrong tree. This is a very good answer. Thank you!
Göte
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Two extremes of Eucomis,
Ecomis bicolor, 24 inches from top of pot to top of bloom.
Eucomis octopus 5 inches from top of pot to top of bloom.
nice! i hadn't heard of such small ones before.... are these all tender/subtropical species?
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The name Musala is of Turkish origin - Mus - Alah/Allah. Bulgaria was part of the Ottoman empire for 400 to 500 years!
I've read that while Bulgaria was a part of the Ottoman Empire and ruled from Istanbul and subjected to forced Turkification, Romania was in a feudal relationship to the O.E. and retained its own rulers. Hence, so the source goes, while the Romanians today have no particular animus toward the Turks, the Bulgarians remain quite anti-Turk.
True in your opinion? (I accept that your eyes are aimed at the earth for plants and the mountains for inspiration, not at political issues.)
Another obscure detail of Bulgarian history: the first published work by Robert Crumb, the American cartoonist ("Keep on trucking", Mr. Natural, Fritz the Cat) was an illustrated travelogue of a visit to Bulgaria in the early 1960s, published in the long-defunct "Help!" magazine. He did not make it sound like a pleasant place. No eye for the beauties of nature, that man.
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Hi Rodger,
Fair to say there has been alot of 'to-ing and fro-ing' in the Balkans! ;)
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Hi Gerd,
When we saw Aquilegia aurea it was growing in the shade of north facing granitic cliffs on Mt.Maliovitsa. Cool, shaded and acidic!
Flora Bulgarica also shows it growing in the Pirin and W.Rodopi which are a mix of acidic and alkaline rock types.
We will be visiting these areas in the next few weeks, so we hope to see if Aquilegia aurea is restricted to acidic
soils! Pics taken attached.
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Great - I am just overwhelmed! These pics tell more than a lot of words - Thank you Chris!
What a plant! Also glad to know that good old ' Wocke ' didn't tell nonsense !
Gerd
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Brian, the milkweed is fabulous! I wish they liked my conditions more, but they soon seem to fade away.
1) A double hybrid campanula, Campanula x carpatica 'Thor Pedo';
2) Achillea millefolium 'Walter Funke';
3) Campanula x tymsonii;
4) The start of bloom on Hemerocallis 'Nerfertiti';
5) Oops, I'll delete this photo in favor of the better one of the same plant that I unthinkingly posted later!
5) Clematis viticella cultivar (which was rather questionably labelled... ???), starting to bloom;
6) Cyclamen purpurascens.
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Derek,
I'm intrigued by Eucomis octopus. Never heard of it before. Looks like it is predominantly vandermerwei, so is it a named variant? Broader leaves by the look of it, with good markings. Very nice, whatever it is, and not something I think I've ever seen before? ???
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Yes Paul it is a named variety of E.vandermerwei, and very nice it is too! Quite commonly available over here.
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Thanks Lori, nothing to do with me :D It seems to be perennial with me unlike many of the others, I just love the garish splash of colour :-X
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Aquilegia aurea looks a lovely creamy yellow against the landscape - thanks for the great photos of your expeditions Hristo
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Thanks RR it's a pleasure to share.
Derek, I must 2nd PaulT in the appreciation of the Eurcomis octopus, a Eucomis with a very pleasing form indeed.
I had vandermerwei from Beeches but had to leave it in the UK! :'(
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Some more pics from the Rila mountains last week.
The semi-parasitic Bartsia alpina on Maliovitsa
Campanula alpina- here rarely forming a flowering spike and more often seen as a flat mat with flowers coming from the centre like spokes on a bicycle wheel.
Cerastium alpinum on Maliovitsa
Cerastium cerastoides near the peak of Musala
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Two extremes of Eucomis,
Ecomis bicolor, 24 inches from top of pot to top of bloom.
Eucomis octopus 5 inches from top of pot to top of bloom.
nice! i hadn't heard of such small ones before.... are these all tender/subtropical species?
They are quite hardy with me I just put them under the bench in the Alpine House.
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I like the bracts on eryngium x zabellii Lori, is the foliage fine or coarse?
Sorry for the delay in answering your question, Brian. The lower foliage on what I believe is Eryngium x zabelii is coarse, with white veins:
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Some more pics from the Rila mountains last week.
The semi-parasitic Bartsia alpina on Maliovitsa
Campanula alpina- here rarely forming a flowering spike and more often seen as a flat mat with flowers coming from the centre like spokes on a bicycle wheel.
Cerastium alpinum on Maliovitsa
Cerastium cerastoides near the peak of Musala
these are all very choice! the Bartsia is especially interesting..
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Sorry for the delay in answering your question, Brian. The lower foliage on what I believe is Eryngium x zabelii is coarse, with white veins:
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Not a problem Lori, I'd hoped that the foliage was more like this Eryngium amethystinum the combination of the two would be wonderful!
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Still resisting cutting our meadow slope although we will have to do it soon - so many butterflies and bees attracted to it looking for something good to taste!
Here the old and the new united - a wonderful sight in the morning light :D
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Some more pics from the Rila mountains last week.
The semi-parasitic Bartsia alpina on Maliovitsa
Campanula alpina- here rarely forming a flowering spike and more often seen as a flat mat with flowers coming from the centre like spokes on a bicycle wheel.
Cerastium alpinum on Maliovitsa
Cerastium cerastoides near the peak of Musala
these are all very choice! the Bartsia is especially interesting..
The first time I have seen it in real life, Cohan- much better than pictures I had seen previously in books. :)
Robin- I think your 'thistle' may be a Centaurea- we are late cutting our meadows here too- and have a few flowers making the most of the delay. ;)
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You're quite right, Simon, I was looking at the wrong description in my book it looks like Centaurea jacea L ? I'll correct the photo name....thanks
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If I hadn't been attending to snowdrops I would have missed this Roscoea purpurea forma rubra 'Red Gurkha', the stem is as wide as my finger! Not exactly a delicate flower, but the colour! The last picture is one of the borders where there are many snowdrops in the Spring, at this time of year the height is somewhat different!
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Mmmm colour doesn't look good, this may be better
...and it is, Photoshop not behaving in the first pics!
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Brian,
A stunner and no doubt!
Every time I see Roscoe I weep a little, just can't grow em here!
Thanks for showing.
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Some more plants from our Rila mountain trip:
Cicerbita alpina- quite a stunning colour in real life
Digitalis grandiflora- along the roadside in the valley of the Beli Iskar river
Digitalis viridiflora- sorry not in focus but this is the true plant. I have never had this the times I have tried to buy it- just a D.lutea imposter. The brown/orange markings vary tremendously between plants.
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Sorry, Robin, I missed your last post. If you have a pic of the Centaurea leaves I can try to help. :)
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If I hadn't been attending to snowdrops I would have missed this Roscoea purpurea forma rubra 'Red Gurkha', the stem is as wide as my finger! Not exactly a delicate flower, but the colour! The last picture is one of the borders where there are many snowdrops in the Spring, at this time of year the height is somewhat different!
thats some height, alright! that tetrapanax is impressive!
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A stunning roscoea Brian. would you send me your email address please. At present I can only contact you though the "send this Member a Personal Message" and I can't forward the south African one that way.
Thanks
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Will do Lesley
Every time I see Roscoe I weep a little, just can't grow em here!
Sorry Chris, but how sad not to be able to grow them :'(
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Cohan I don't know what it is about the Tetrapanax but I really love it, unfortunately I got the smaller of the two that are widely grown ::) At least it gives shade to the 'drops.
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How hardy are Roscoea spp.? I bought one Roscoeae purpurea a few years ago (they do get the odd interesting thing in at the big garden center near us... though at $30 each, I limited the experiment to one plant); very floriferous but it always wilted whenever it got warmish outside (possibly rootbound in the pot?) and succumbed during the winter. Given its wimpy behavior during the summer, I'm not sure if it was really a fair test of hardiness. I'd like to try it again, but, as luck would have it, I have not come across it since. :(
1) First Allium flavum in bloom, in the rain.
2) Stachys monnieri 'Hummelo', with russet stems of Dracocephalum nutans behind.
3) Verbascum blattaria, in white and in yellow.
4) A cheerful native, Ratibida columnifera.
5) A little Lychnis flos-jovis, looking primula-like, amongst the fierce competition from campanula and delphiniums.
6, 7, 8 ) One of my favourite prairie natives, Dalea purpurea. It is a hugely more substantial plant in captivity than it seems to be in the wild around here. Perfectly well-behaved and a bottoms-up bloomer.
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i like the Dalea, i've never seen it in person, only pics, and i dont think i ever realised it was so zowie!
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How hardy are Roscoea spp.?
In my own garden, between the long summer drought and the long winter downpour, a great many eastern Asian plants are absolutely hopeless in the open garden. The situation is aggravated by the poor drainage of my lot, a former marsh the Boy Scouts could canoe in. While in their native haunts, the Asiatics have warm wet summers, and cold dry winters, chez me the precipitation regimen is reversed. If they don't desiccate during the summer, they rot away to nothingness in the winter.
I have never had a tricyrtis last more than one season, and I have killed any number of roscoeas large and small, even the small weedy species one is warned against. Bitter experience has taught me to resist the siren call of these beauties, though I manage to grow a few in pots that can be protected against winter wet.
IOW, the issue may not be frost-hardiness per se but rather a more general dislike of climatic, cultural, and soil conditions.
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Brian - Have you seen Tetrapanax 'Steroidal Giant' selected at Cistus? It's a whopper. next time Philip comes this way I'll ask him to bring a piece of root for you.
Lori - A friend grows a few Roscoea here, one is purpurea, I recall R. alpina was not hardy for her despite the deceptive name and can't remember the others. They are loving this summer mists.
johnw
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More from the Rila mountains:
Jovibarba heuffelii (?) on Maliovitsa and Musala- is the id correct?
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Lori, your white Verbascum blattaria is really pretty opening out to show those wine coloured stamens...is it a tall one?
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I fall in love with Dalea - lokked up the internet, cannot found in Hungary
how do you multiply it? seeds or stem division?
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Brian - Have you seen Tetrapanax 'Steroidal Giant' selected at Cistus? It's a whopper. next time Philip comes this way I'll ask him to bring a piece of root for you.
;) :-* 8)
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Sorry, Robin, I missed your last post. If you have a pic of the Centaurea leaves I can try to help. :)
Simon, thanks for your help with this Centaurea ID - the colour is very attractive and different to those I have seen before...is it C jacea?
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Hi Robin, so many Centaurea in your area! Erm, I was trying to look at the leaves and the bracts, to see if they looked like pics I had in books here. The leaves look 'right' for C.jacea- but the bracts I am not sure. There are a few good close ups at this link- any help?
http://www.ct-botanical-society.org/galleries/centaureajace.html (http://www.ct-botanical-society.org/galleries/centaureajace.html)
Simon
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More from the Rila:
Knautia dinarica (?) in the montane and lower alpine meadows
Oxyria digyna- near the peak of Musala
Pedicularis orthantha (?) another semi-parasite of alpine meadows
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More from the Rila- almost there ;)
Phyteuma species- the only one listed for the whole of Bulgaria in Flora bulgarica is P.confusum- so i am confused- to me this looks more like P.hemisphaericum, with quite large bracts below the flowers.
Potentilla haynaldiana
Pritzelago (Hutchinsia) alpina- not the best pic- but the plant was very small ;)
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Petrophytum caespitosum. Not the most attractive of plants, but flies seem to be attracted to it! :o
I’ve had this now for quite a number of years, and it’s an easy plant to grow. Not so P. hendersonii; which I found more difficult to keep – and which I lost it about 3 years ago! :'(
Allium flavum. I’m not sure if this is A. f. ‘Minus’ as I have not got any comparisons.
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Your Petrophytum caespitosum has a much longer and more loose inflorescence than those which have died here,Lampwick. ::) On the other hand, Petrophytum hendersonii seems to like us and grows well. (flowering in past now)
Your post reminds me that August is indeed upon us.... I must go and retrieve some posts from July to move them across :-[
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Allium flavum. I’m not sure if this is A. f. ‘Minus’ as I have not got any comparisons.
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If it is any help plants of wild A.flavum growing happily here can be between 50 and 80cm tall. They are shorter in more challenging locations. A.flavum 'Minus' I have had from seed exchanges seems much smaller so far!
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More from the Rila:
Rhodiola rosea- on Maliovitsa growing in crevices between boulders
Silene pusilla- again on Maliovitsa -all the plants we saw here were growing near the streams
Veronica bellidioides- on Musala Peak. When I see plants like this in the wild I am reminded of the Albatross Soup riddle. I have had seed before from exchanges, and none of the resulting plants looked like the real thing, but I never really thought about it until I saw the real thing!
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A few last pics of Ranunculus from Mt.Musala and Maliovitsa.
1 and 2 - Ranunculus crenatus
3 - Ranunculus montanus
4 - Ranunculus platanifolius
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Also from the Rila- a smattering of Saxifraga ;)
Saxifraga stellaris growing in the alpine meadow streams on Maliovitsa
Saxifraga pedemontana (?) near The Ice Lake below the peak of Musala
Saxifraga bryoides from shady slopes near the peak of Musala
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The leaves look 'right' for C.jacea- but the bracts I am not sure...
Thanks for the link for the C. jacea took another photo of the bracts and they are not the same, infact they a brown with whitish filaments...will keep searching and let you know what I find out - thanks for your help at such a busy time Simon ;)
Gorgeous Saxifraga, especially S. stellaris :D
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Nearly there:
Senecio abrotanifolius- a plant I fell in love with, and hope to collect seeds from soon. I'd always avoided it, after reading Ingwerson's description of it as "rather too tall for most rock gardens... a sprawling and untidy plant". I could put up with that no problem, for the intensity of colour in those flowers!! The petals are red backed btw.
Senecio doronicum- another interesting plant I hadn't thought about growing before.
Veratrum lobelianum (V.album)
PS. No problem, Robin. Good luck with the search.
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The last set from the Rila:
Viola biflora- base of a north facing cliff on Maliovitsa
Viola alpina with Arabis alpina- these seemed like odd bedfellows when you think about the places Arabis alpina is planted in gardens
Viola dacica (?) syn V.declinata- in the alpine meadows. In the montane area Viola tricolor was found. With increased altitude the two species grew together and appeared to form a hybrid swarm, where some individuals were hardto differentiate. At higher altitudes a 'standard' V.dacica seems to predominate.
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Also from the Rila- a smattering of Saxifraga ;)
Saxifraga stellaris growing in the alpine meadow streams on Maliovitsa
Saxifraga pedemontana (?) near The Ice Lake below the peak of Musala
Saxifraga bryoides from shady slopes near the peak of Musala
thanks, chris and simon--another rich area! i've asked at semp group about your jovibarba, btw..
the senecio doesnt look all that tall and untidy to me, but maybe lack of reference...anyway, in your conditions likely to remain compact...
love the yellow violas..we have some in the province, but i've never seen one in person!
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Thanks, Cohan. The other choice for this area was Sempervivum leucanthum- but the plant looked more like the pics of Jovibarba (IMO).
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Here are two flowering Roscoea ( bought in last week ) :
Roscoea purpurea 'Vincent'
Roscoea purpurea 'Brown Peacock'
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Thanks, Cohan. The other choice for this area was Sempervivum leucanthum- but the plant looked more like the pics of Jovibarba (IMO).
i'll let you know if i hear back anything..
heuffelii is the species that usually splits to produce offsets, rather than stolons or 'rollers' but not sure how apparent that is in the field..
here's an article you might find interesting, on the distinctions btwn Sempervivum and Jovibarba..
http://stalikez.info/fsm/semp/site/jov_gb.php?clc=12&zc=AeHa1b1g1f1f1i1r1zu1g
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Gazanias are lovely especially the pink and green 'Christopher Lloyd'
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Mark, your shots of Gazanias are lovely! What a great contrast and intensity of colours....
Reminds me of Hawaiian leis......
How long does the flower last on the plant?
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/hos.jpg) started today - several are blooming days ago, but the heat burned the leaves
it is full shadow
my favorites: (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/zin.jpg) this year the seeds are not germinated well, I have only 4 or 5 :(
the nameless, but loved: (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/r-1.jpg)
red: (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/pir.jpg)
the heath tolerants:
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/kok-1.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/var.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/gau.jpg)
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Here are some pics made yesterday evening in a region dominated by plants - which are called ' Heide ' (heath) - consists of Calluna and Erica species.
The area was ' renaturated ' only a few years ago when a lot of trees were removed in order to give the heath a chance, which occured a century ago there.
1. + 2. Erica tetralix
3. + 4. Calluna vulgaris
5. + 6. Drosera ? rotundifolia - which becomes smaller and smaller- because the site is too dry for them
7. + 8. Impatiens noli-tangere
9. Impatiens glanduligera
10. Part of the heath region
Gerd
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More from the Rila mountains:
Jovibarba heuffelii (?) on Maliovitsa and Musala- is the id correct?
The id is correct. The bell-shaped flowers are typical for Jovibarba heuffelii. This is most probably the type plant with pubescent leaves.
Besides, no other Jovibarba is known with certainty to grow in Bulgaria, and Sempervivum has starlike flowers.
Jov. heuffelii also occurs in the Pirin and Vitosha Mts. and in the Stara planina.
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Hello, Joop, good to have to help out with this ID.
Thank you for deciding to post now! 8)
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For the gardens of the curious: another Mexican composite with chocolate-scented flowers to keep your Cosmos atrosanguineum company—Berlandiera lyrata.
Easily grown from seed, but for good results seed must be sown in warmth, as with many other members of the Asteraceae.
Apparently quite hardy, as long as it has a modicum of drainage. The three surviving plants are on top of my "Anglo-saxon burial mound" where they are up and out of the wintertime squelch of my garden. Adjacent to them is Convolvulus cneorum, which was hit hard last winter. I don't think the berlandiera would survive a really seriously cold winter such as Lori Skulski gets in Alberta, but since it survived the hardest winter here in Victoria in twenty years, it should survive in many less intemperate gardens.
My plants are still young and I have no idea just how they will develop in the future.
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mark--gazanias really do have unbelievable colours and patterns..i was surprised to know they are perennials in warmer places, but then many of our northern 'annuals' are...
erika--nice flowers--is the second last a variegated euphorbia, or?
gerd-nice to see this place--so it is supposed to be heath and people planted trees and then later removed them?
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Thanks, Cohan. The other choice for this area was Sempervivum leucanthum- but the plant looked more like the pics of Jovibarba (IMO).
you will have seen joop answered this, on the semp forum also :)
do let me know if you get seeds from this!
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The variegated euphorbia appears to Euphorbia marginata, a prairie native annual...
The other choice for this area was Sempervivum leucanthum- but the plant looked more like the pics of Jovibarba (IMO).
Wouldn't the flower form alone indicate it to be Jovibarba rather than Sempervivum... or is that an oversimplification? ???
mark--gazanias really do have unbelievable colours and patterns..i was surprised to know they are perennials in warmer places, but then many of our northern 'annuals' are...
Gazania linearis 'Colorado Gold' is supposed to be hardy to zone 4. Tried it a couple of times but no overwintering success with it here... (while Osteospermum barberiae var. compactum 'Purple Mountain' has survived over many years).
Cosmos atrosanguineum
Berlandiera lyrata.
I don't think the berlandiera would survive a really seriously cold winter such as Lori Skulski gets in Alberta, but since it survived the hardest winter here in Victoria in twenty years, it should survive in many less intemperate gardens.
Absolutely right, Rodger. - no overwintering success for me in the past with either, unfortunately.
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gerd-nice to see this place--so it is supposed to be heath and people planted trees and then later removed them?
Cohan,
Yes the region became heath after ruthless deforestation during the time when industrialisation advanced followed by sheepgrazing. Around the first decades of the last century reforestation began and the scenery changed once more. Interestingly the names for places which were heathland didn't change. For instance there is a wooded hill near my home which is called ' Heidufer ', which means border of heathland.
Around 1986 the town of Solingen decided to restore the original cultural landscape. Trees were felled and additionally the humus layer was removed partly.
After some time an interesting phenomenon was observed.
Suddenly lots of plants occured which where kept for regionally extinct. Also a lot of rare insects were seen.
Today it is a nature reserve of about 150 hectare.
Gerd
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Cohan,
Yes the region became heath after ruthless deforestation during the time when industrialisation advanced followed by sheepgrazing. Around the first decades of the last century reforestation began and the scenery changed once more. Interestingly the names for places which were heathland didn't change. For instance there is a wooded hill near my home which is called ' Heidufer ', which means border of heathland.
Around 1986 the town of Solingen decided to restore the original cultural landscape. Trees were felled and additionally the humus layer was removed partly.
After some time an interesting phenomenon was observed.
Suddenly lots of plants occured which where kept for regionally extinct. Also a lot of rare insects were seen.
Today it is a nature reserve of about 150 hectare.
Gerd
wow, complicated! so really it is ORIGINALLY forest, people turned it into heath by deforestation, then the forest recovered, and then people decided they wanted the heath back! very interesting!
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Wouldn't the flower form alone indicate it to be Jovibarba rather than Sempervivum... or is that an oversimplification? ???
i looked over the article on differentiation of the genera again, and yes, as joop mentioned, the flower form is a defining character;
( http://stalikez.info/fsm/semp/site/jov_gb.php?clc=12&zc=AeHa1b1g1f1f1i1r1zu1g )
interestingly, the article mentions (among many other things) that the two branches of Jovibarba (heuffelii vs the other species) are no nearer each other than they are to Sempervivum, and that while Jovis are sometimes considered an extreme development of Semp, Semp may be closer to genera such as Aeonium..
shows how artificial and at times arbitrary our classification systems are...
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RR I find the life of a Gazania flower depends on the weather. Sunny days are best. Too much rain and they rot. I've had some come through our winters
Rodger I have seeds of Berlandiera but never got round to sowing them
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Thanks Joop and Cohan. I've never grown Jovibarba before and didn't now what the differences were between them and Sempervivum. It was difficult to deccide whether the differences in flower structure seen on two plants in the wild is just due to the age of the flowers or anomalous individuals.
They were growing on both mountains we visited and we will look out for seed when we return. ;)
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Thanks Joop and Cohan. I've never grown Jovibarba before and didn't now what the differences were between them and Sempervivum. It was difficult to deccide whether the differences in flower structure seen on two plants in the wild is just due to the age of the flowers or anomalous individuals.
They were growing on both mountains we visited and we will look out for seed when we return. ;)
same as anything--until you are familiar with them, you can't know which characters are the distinguishing ones, and which, as you say, are just variation or senescence etc..
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I have several clumps of Orobanche hederae in the garden. I even have some purple flowered ones.
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Bravo Anthony,
Not a sight you see often in a garden!
Do they flower reliably?
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Superb, Anthony ... we see so many broomrapes growing in the wild in the Dolomites, it is just as wonderful to see them flourishing in your garden. Do you take the credit for how they got there or is it a natural process?
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Good old SRGC seed exchange seed. Just scattered them at the base of my ivy and waited 3 years. They flower every year, and every year I get plenty of seed. I notice my neighbour also has it growing in front of his ivy. Oops! :-[ I have even planted it at school where it has been flowering every year for the past five years. A useful resource for Advanced Higher Biology, which delves into parasitism.
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Anthony, does the Orobanche hederae live on the roots of the ivy?
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I have several clumps of Orobanche hederae in the garden. I even have some purple flowered ones.
So, the purple flowered ones are not the norm then? I've broadcast seed just as you did (originally from one of the seed exchanges and last time from collected from a wild plant in Southern England) and both times flowers appeared after 3 years. However, I had to introduce ivy here first as it's not a native this far north. Yes, Robin, it is parasitic on the roots of ivy. My flowers have always been purplish (see below). However, I've had a maximum of two years of flowering and they disappear again. I've also sowed Orobanche uniflora in 2007 (around a couple of Solidago canadensis cultivars), so I should start looking out for that one...
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Here's a pic of Orobanche buds on (variegated) ivy roots in May 2007. The ivy was grown in a half barrel which I was redoing.
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Wouldn't the flower form alone indicate it to be Jovibarba rather than Sempervivum... or is that an oversimplification? ???
As Cohan already pointed out, the flower form is indeed the main differentiating character between Sempervivum and Jovibarba. Some botanists however consider this difference as too scanty and they join the two genera under the name Sempervivum.
Again, as Cohan already wrote, Jovibarba heuffelii multiplies by division of the growing point and not by sending out offsets on very slender, easily detaching stolons (the so-called rollers) like the other Jovibarbas. Unfortunately, this division phenomenon is not visible in Sinchets' pictures.
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Lori, your white Verbascum blattaria is really pretty opening out to show those wine coloured stamens...is it a tall one?
Yes, V. blattaria is 5' tall here.
Re. Jovibarba - thanks, all, for the confirmation.
I fall in love with Dalea - lokked up the internet, cannot found in Hungary
how do you multiply it? seeds or stem division?
Arykana, it's easiest to propagate by seed - I'll make seeds available later on if anyone is interested. It has a deep tap root, which gives it drought-tolerance.
Simon, those are amazingly massive Rhodiola rosea, compared to those in the mountains here, which don't seem to get to 10 cm!
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Lori, again Rhodiola rosea is another plant I haven't seen in real life before- I am hoping my id is correct as the leaves looked right- but i wasn't sure about the flowers. ??? There are a few species of Sedum found in that area- but again I have never seen them before either. The plants were growing in the shade of boulders and water was still flowing under the whole area.
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Simon, I wasn't implying that the ID was wrong (it looks correct, from what I can tell, and your familiarity with a range of plants is much broader than mine :))... only that Rhodiola rosea/Sedum roseum (and the dozen other names it's gone by) occurs over such a vast range, and in such varying habitat (lowlands to alpine - though only alpine here), that it may well be extremely variable in habit. The plant I have in a trough is also gigantic compared to any I've seen here... and has only ever produced yellow flowers, oddly (which is said to be "rare" in my local reference).
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No problem, Lori. I am just doubtful of my id as the plants seemed so much more 'blousy' than any of the pics I found online. ;)
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Simon, I wasn't implying that the ID was wrong (it looks correct, from what I can tell, and your familiarity with a range of plants is much broader than mine :))... only that Rhodiola rosea/Sedum roseum (and the dozen other names it's gone by) occurs over such a vast range, and in such varying habitat (lowlands to alpine - though only alpine here), that it may well be extremely variable in habit. The plant I have in a trough is also gigantic compared to any I've seen here... and has only ever produced yellow flowers, oddly (which is said to be "rare" in my local reference).
It is indeed a very variable species. There was a research project here in Norway investigating Rhodiola rosea and with help from radio etc, plant material was sent in from all over the country. On my recent trip to Northern Norway, I visited a woman producing roseroot commercially based on a mix of seed from the material collected. Wandering around her field, I was astonished by the diversity (see the pictures below). Rhodiola rosea is dioecious (separate male and female plants). I have been told that whereas the males wilt, the females become orange/reddish after pollination (as in the pictures) - at least, the seed pods are a reddish colour.
I suspect that Simon's plant isn't Rhodiola (this is quite an early flowerer - May in my garden and early June in Northern Norway) - perhaps Sedum telephium or similar?
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Very interesting... no comment on the ID ( ???) but Rhodiola rosea are still in bloom in the high elevations here, while the one in the trough blooms (yellow) in mid-May.
In a previous version of Flora of Alberta, the subspecies that occurs here was said to be Sedum rosea ssp. integrifolium, updated in my version to Tolmachevia integrifolia, and now seemingly all lumped under Rhodiola rosea... ? The reference notes that yellow-flowered ones are "rare" in the wild here... I've seen one... something I've been looking out for, since noting the size and flower colour differences between the trough plant and those in the wild (and having some hint from reading of there either being male and female flowers, or of it being dioecious).
So if they are dioecious, then I suppose we are mostly only seeing ones that have already been fertilized - interesting. With the plant in cultivation for medicinal purposes, surely it has been studied enough for that to be conclusive.
In the above-noted reference, it is said that the flowers are polygamous (having some perfect and some unisexual flowers).
Anyway, in sum, I have not known what to make of all this! (Hmm, odd though, with the bloom through July, sometimes into August here, not to see more unfertilized flowers? Another mystery of nature for me!)
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the nameless, but loved:
Hi Erika,
I think your "nameless, but loved" flowers are Lycoris, possibly L. squamigera or even L. sprengeri.
cheers
fermi
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I read somewhere that Rhodiola rosea sometimes has a mix of sexes, but is usually dioecious. I had 3 plants in my garden for many years and never a seed was produced. Then I discovered that it was dioecious and concluded that my plants were probably clones. I was given male and female plants from another grower, in Lofoten, in June..
Sadly, the market for Rhodiola has collapsed and the distributor for the plants in the field I showed pictures from went bankrupt in the spring....
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Korean Angelica, Angelica gigas is a fantastic plant. It self-sows in my garden.
The flowers are just emerging now - these two reminded me of courting black swans:
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Beautiful sombre tones on the angelica! Very nice analogy, too! Do you find that the flowers are extremely attractive to wasps there? That seems to be the case here... few bees on them, but many, many wasps, for some reason. Does it have an "edimental" use for you, e.g. candying the stems for "angelica", or... ? (Another biennial that never reseeds for me, sadly.)
Oh, I meant to add re. Rhodiola rosea that I have some photos from the wild that show red buds as well as red flowers... something else I don't know what to make of.
1, 2) First of the sour cherry harvest, soon to be turned into pie (after the tedious, sticky chore of pitting them! ::)) These are from 'Carmine Jewel', a bush type - the cherries are only about 15mm in diameter. 'Evans', a small single-trunked tree - quite ornamental - will be another couple of weeks... but much bigger, sweeter (though still tartish) and more rewarding to mess with!
3) Few (only a single spike on this plant) but very large flowers on Verbascum eriophorum, and chubby apricot-coloured buds amidst the dense white fuzz.
4) Lallemantia canescens, finally.... and these are a shadow of their former buxom, sprawling selves! It appears the old plants died out and these came back from seed, in heavy competition from other plants. Well, next year will be interesting to see if they remain small or if they take on their old form again. ???
5) Campanula cochlearifolia 'Elizabeth Oliver'
6) A plant that I enjoy just as much before it blooms as after... buds on Carlina acaulis.
7) Gentiana tibetica
8 ) Reaching for the sky, Cephalaria gigantea
9) Heading that way too... Cimicifuga racemosa
10) Telekia speciosa... big and coarse, or a plant with presence, depending on one's viewpoint, LOL!
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Korean Angelica, Angelica gigas is a fantastic plant. It self-sows in my garden.
The flowers are just emerging now - these two reminded me of courting black swans:
very poetic! so the actual flowers are white, and just surrounding foliage/bracts etc is dark? looks like a really nice plant... how 'gigas' is it?
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I've heard of sour cherries but never tasted them - they really are the most wonderful looking 'jewels', Lori :)
Fantastic sculptural plants in your photos, every time something to amazing to gaze at ;)
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1, 2) First of the sour cherry harvest, soon to be turned into pie (after the tedious, sticky chore of pitting them! ::)) These are from 'Carmine Jewel', a bush type - the cherries are only about 15mm in diameter. 'Evans', a small single-trunked tree - quite ornamental - will be another couple of weeks... but much bigger, sweeter (though still tartish) and more rewarding to mess with!
we have (i think) sand cherries almost ripe, although its always a race with the birds here for any berries--some young robins have already started on the cherries, half ripe, and waxwings and maybe robins too are already at the half-ripe saskatoons also.... oddly, no one seems to bother the wild raspberries all over the place...
btw, big coarse plants with presence ;) are a good thing, too..you must have rather a large lot for the city?
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Hi, Cohan... yeah, I have a soft spot for big, burly plants! And I just generally like variety. Yes, the lot is quite big for in the city - a corner lot, approximately 1/3 acre. (Still, I have dreams of annexing the playground behind us... 8))
The Nanking cherries are also ripe... but are too deep in there and too high up to get at, so the birds can have them!
(And the pies are in the oven, as we "speak"...)
As always, thank you for the kind words, Robin!
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lori--nice to have a bit of space :)
my fascination is with tiny plants, but with the space i have here, i can do some big things, and some things on kristl's list have caught my eye, for sure, and we do have some of the larger native asters, cow parsnips, fireweed growing naturally around the edges..i will definitely be giving them some even bigger company..
one i have from kristl--just seeded--is an Aralia (continentalis i think) that i'm thinking of for sort of woodland edges--which describes most of my yard..lol
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I'm also harvesting sour cherries this weekend and dry most of them - they are much sweeter (like most other fruit) but pleasantly sour when dried, my favourite dry fruit which I can't get enough of. I netted as much of the trees as possible a couple of days ago as the birds were devouring them (mainly Fieldfares, Redwings and Starlings).
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Stephen, that's a great idea for the next batch I'll have to pick from 'Carmine Jewel' - thanks!
Just more stuff in bloom...
1) Filipendula rubra, queen-of-the-prairie.
2) Thymus serpyllum - it's been delightful watching the bumble bees in this since it opened the other day.
3) Sidalcea malviflora
4) Campanula punctata and Astrantia carniolica; my favourite astrantia, as the flowers retain their colour long after they are spent.
5) Hemerocallis 'Yellow Pinwheel'
6) Clematis 'Jackmanii'
7) Hemerocallis 'Jersey Spider'
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I'm also harvesting sour cherries this weekend and dry most of them - they are much sweeter (like most other fruit) but pleasantly sour when dried, my favourite dry fruit which I can't get enough of. I netted as much of the trees as possible a couple of days ago as the birds were devouring them (mainly Fieldfares, Redwings and Starlings).
stephen, how do you dry them? and how do you put the netting--directly over the bush? i was thinking about that too..
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10) Telekia speciosa... big and coarse, or a plant with presence, depending on one's viewpoint, LOL!
Indeed presence. In my garden it is more invasive by far than the dreaded Japanese knotweed.
Obviously I grow both ;D ;D
One mans weed the other mans precious flower.
Göte
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10) Telekia speciosa... big and coarse, or a plant with presence, depending on one's viewpoint, LOL!
Indeed presence. In my garden it is more invasive by far than the dreaded Japanese knotweed.
Obviously I grow both ;D ;D
One mans weed the other mans precious flower.
Göte
Or in the case of Japanese Knotweed, dreaded by some, "wouldn't be with out it" to others. ;) Pictures show the preparation of the (in)famous Japanese Knotweed Crumble, not unlike rhubarb in appearance when cooked but with a taste of its own and healthy too apparently.. Can also be used in savory dishes.
I think I'm now going to get lots of offers of free food....
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I'm also harvesting sour cherries this weekend and dry most of them - they are much sweeter (like most other fruit) but pleasantly sour when dried, my favourite dry fruit which I can't get enough of. I netted as much of the trees as possible a couple of days ago as the birds were devouring them (mainly Fieldfares, Redwings and Starlings).
stephen, how do you dry them? and how do you put the netting--directly over the bush? i was thinking about that too..
Drying: Cut in half and discard the pip. I then just spread them out on an oven tray and dry overnight at about 40-50C with the oven door slightly open. They can then be stored like that for several years, although they rarely survive the winter in my household.... ;)
Netting: My tree is now too big to net completely, so I just drape the net around as much of the tree as I can. The birds get the berries higher up.
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A few pictures from the garden now:
1-2. Another purple Angelica – a garden form of our native Angelica sylvestris – ”Vicar’s Mead”
3. Tradescantia occidentalis – I’ve had T. ohiensis for some time. This one is very similar and it did key out though – hairy sepals which ohiensis doesn’t have!
4-5. Acaena spp. – I collected seed of this one on a beach on Chiloe Island. It’s proved hardy with me. Is it Acaena magellanica, perhaps?
6. Grindelia robusta – a curious genus, the flower buds and young flowers covered with this white sticky resinous sap, which has been used as chewing gum, but I’m not sure I like the flavor (prefer Norwegian Kvae – seeps out of old Spruce trees). Insects stick to it.
7. Papaver somniferum “Pink Paeoniflorum”
8. Houttuynia cordata “Plena”
9. Parthenium integrifolium, Wild Quinine
10. Lactuca sibirica, a relation of Cicerbita alpina which I showed pictures of in the Malvik thread, with the same coloured flowers.
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some Gentian's today.... click the pictures to enlarge then....
Regards Wolfgang
G.asclepiadea bright blue.
G. asclepiadea blue.
G. asclepiadea rosea.
G. asclepiadea white.
G. depressa.
G. gelisepta.
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In my garden it is more invasive by far than the dreaded Japanese knotweed.
Obviously I grow both ;D ;D
One mans weed the other mans precious flower.
Göte
By what means is Telekia speciosa invasive, Gote? By roots, seed? EDIT: Oh I see, rhizomatous - haven't noticed mine taking on new territory yet, but I will certainly keep an eye on them!
4-5. Acaena spp. – I collected seed of this one on a beach on Chiloe Island. It’s proved hardy with me. Is it Acaena magellanica, perhaps?
6. Grindelia robusta – a curious genus, the flower buds and young flowers covered with this white sticky resinous sap, which has been used as chewing gum, but I’m not sure I like the flavor (prefer Norwegian Kvae – seeps out of old Spruce trees). Insects stick to it.
I haven't found Acaena to be hardy here. Grindelia squarrosa occurs in the grasslands here - nice plant for late colour, with the same stickiness you mention. (I collected some seeds last year, meaning to start them - now where did I put them?)
Ah, vicar's mead - a perennial (rather than biennial)? One that I keep losing, unfortunately. >:(
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In my garden it is more invasive by far than the dreaded Japanese knotweed.
Obviously I grow both ;D ;D
One mans weed the other mans precious flower.
Göte
By what means is Telekia speciosa invasive, Gote? By roots, seed? EDIT: Oh I see, rhizomatous - haven't noticed mine taking on new territory yet, but I will certainly keep an eye on them!
By seed. When they have reached a critical number they appear everywhere.
The knotweed is easy to keep confined as a clump in a lawn.
This is what happens in my place. Other places other problems
Göte
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Thank you for the info, Gote. Well, almost all of my weeding is of perennial seedlings, so I guess I will be adding that one to the chore someday. :)
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A few pictures from the garden now:
1-2. Another purple Angelica – a garden form of our native Angelica sylvestris – ”Vicar’s Mead”
more interesting plants, i especially like the colour of that angelica...
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A Semperivum (?) from Greece
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some Gentian's today.... click the pictures to enlarge then....
Regards Wolfgang
G.asclepiadea bright blue.
G. asclepiadea blue.
G. asclepiadea rosea.
G. asclepiadea white.
G. depressa.
G. gelisepta.
Lovely looking Gentiana, Wolfgang, they keep coming and coming - how long does your growing season go on for?
I really like G. asclepiadea rosea, its a gorgeous colour with speckles and G. gelisepta is very unusual :)
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Pictures taken today. 8)
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Aye , aye, Giles.... you've been busy! 8)
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Magnolias:
globosa,doltopsa,cathcartii,lotungensis,acuminata subchordata,rostrata, x weiseneri, laevifolia(3 cultivars), nitida, campbellii 'Charles Raffill', officinalis, officinalis biloba, sprengeri diva 'Burncoose', x foggii 'Jack Fogg', cylindrica, insignis, liliflora nigra, zenii, sargentiana robusta, delavayi, chevalieri, macrophylla ashei, grandiflora 'Exmouth', sieboldii sinensis 'Grandiflora', obovata, fraseri pyramidata, chapensis, maudiae, mclurei.
3 pallets of peat, a ton of sulphur, a backache, and 10yrs to learn how to use a chain saw.........
(PS Cassiope's make excellent compost ;D)
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Magnolias:
globosa,doltopsa,cathcartii,lotungensis,acuminata subchordata,rostrata, x weiseneri, laevifolia(3 cultivars), nitida, campbellii 'Charles Raffill', officinalis, officinalis biloba, sprengeri diva 'Burncoose', x foggii 'Jack Fogg', cylindrica, insignis, liliflora nigra, zenii, sargentiana robusta, delavayi, chevalieri, macrophylla ashei, grandiflora 'Exmouth', sieboldii sinensis 'Grandiflora', obovata, fraseri pyramidata, chapensis, maudiae, mclurei.
3 pallets of peat, a ton of sulphur, a backache, and 10yrs to learn how to use a chain saw.........
(PS Cassiope's make excellent compost ;D)
Crikey..... busier than even I thought!
Had me foxed for a minute with the chainsaw comment, till I pictured scene ten years hence and all became clear! You could perhaps do some "judicious pruning" to avoid the worst excesses, though, eh? Say after nine years?? ;D
I'm shocked to the core by your cassiope compost jibe :o......go and wash your mouth out :P.... that's fighting talk to an Eric lover like myself ::)
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Magnolias:
globosa,doltopsa,cathcartii,lotungensis,acuminata subchordata,rostrata, x weiseneri, laevifolia(3 cultivars), nitida, campbellii 'Charles Raffill', officinalis, officinalis biloba, sprengeri diva 'Burncoose', x foggii 'Jack Fogg', cylindrica, insignis, liliflora nigra, zenii, sargentiana robusta, delavayi, chevalieri, macrophylla ashei, grandiflora 'Exmouth', sieboldii sinensis 'Grandiflora', obovata, fraseri pyramidata, chapensis, maudiae, mclurei.
3 pallets of peat, a ton of sulphur, a backache, and 10yrs to learn how to use a chain saw.........
(PS Cassiope's make excellent compost ;D)
Yikes, I wouldn't want to see the bill!
johnw
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Giles,
Do you like magnolias?
Plenty of room for snowdrops underneath.
Paddy
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A Semperivum (?) from Greece
Looks like Sempervivum marmoreum. Typical for this species is the white margin of the petals.
Where exactly did it come from?
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Thank you for the name of my flowerfermides, I try to keep in my mind ;D
They are blooming now
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/varj-2.jpg)
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/dlia-3.jpg)
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Arykana,
Brilliant colour, lovely flowers.
Paddy
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I went down to Edrom nursery with my mum today. She needed plants for the rockery I just built her; I needed plants for a trough. Phew! What a selection! 8) Too much choice! :o There were at least two plants in their new raised bed that I wanted but were not on sale. One was a very dwarf elm with leaves about 2mm long. The other, if my memory serves me correct, was Gentiana syringae, but I can't find it anywhere. Four hour round trip, but a superb lunch in the New Inn at Coldingham made up for it. I've never had so many scallops in a starter before! :P
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Hi everyone,
Anthony - Edrom is great isn't it? I think Aberconwy sell that little elm - perhaps Tim could bring one up for you at discussion weekend time?
Some pictures from my garden over the last few days:
This first is a thank you to Ian Christie. You may remember giving me a tiny cutting of Rhododendron forrestii repens when we visited the nursery a few years back? Here it has produced a couple of unseasonal flowers. These are its first flowers too.
Next is Pelargonium endlicherianum. This grows outside unprotected even in our very wet winters. I bought it from Tim Ingram at Alpines 2001. Subsequent plants from wild seed were nicer forms but less hardy and died out.
Origanum Kent Beauty is looking at its best in August, as is Convolvulus sabatius which will be two meters across by the end of the season.
The sorbus is S. fruticosa showing its white berries and a hint of the spectacular autumn colour to follow. I love this plant - it came from Aberconwy nursery and has only reached 60cm high in 4 years.
The lily is one from Vietnam given to me by Peter Bland as a seedling. I think his stock came from Henry and Margaret Taylor? It has a lovely scent. I think I have seen it for sale as L. majoense but cannot swear to it.
The last is for Cohan - not an 'alpine' but one of the earliest Conophytum to flower with me . C.bilobum TS765. This species normally has plain yellow (or white) flowers. This clone with the very attractive red anther filaments is very attractive.
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My Crinodendron hookeri is starting its second flush of flowers this year. 8)
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A few stalwarts flowering in the summer heat ;)
Hibiscus aculeatus
Hibiscus militaris
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Hi everyone,
Some pictures from my garden over the last few days:
Next is Pelargonium endlicherianum. This grows outside unprotected even in our very wet winters. I bought it from Tim Ingram at Alpines 2001. Subsequent plants from wild seed were nicer forms but less hardy and died out.
The sorbus is S. fruticosa showing its white berries and a hint of the spectacular autumn colour to follow. I love this plant - it came from Aberconwy nursery and has only reached 60cm high in 4 years.
The last is for Cohan - not an 'alpine' but one of the earliest Conophytum to flower with me . C.bilobum TS765. This species normally has plain yellow (or white) flowers. This clone with the very attractive red anther filaments is very attractive.
thanks, darren,
that cono is really nice, flowers and 'foliage'
really like the sorbus too, and that pelly is long a favourite (long distance)
simon, good to have something going still :)
'rose of sharon' H syriacus was semi-common in toronto, and also at its best in mid-summer when most of the flowering shrubs/trees and roses etc had petered out..
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Have anybody Queen Ann"s lace??
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Which one?
Down here, Anthriscus sylvestris is sometimes called 'Queen Anne's Lace' or 'Cow Parsley' (and it grows as a common roadside weed everywhere),
but I think Daucus carota is called 'Queen Anne's Lace' too.
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Here, another endemic snapdragon from Spain.
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but I think Daucus carota is called 'Queen Anne's Lace' too.
Yes, that's what the common name "Queen Anne's Lace" refers to here (and in North American usage, generally).
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A few stalwarts flowering in the summer heat ;)
Hibiscus aculeatus
Hibiscus militaris
Summer heat! Wash your mouth out!
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Thanks for the information
I just red on "burp.." /.=e/"'s site
so, it is mean Queen Ann's lace is the same then the ordinary weed?
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I'm afraid so.
I guess it's good for hover flies if you want to attract them.
-the Burpee one looks like the Daucus, the Anthriscus doesn't have such a tight head.
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Hm, I will obtain it on the field - cheeper ;)
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Hepaticas out at the moment
The pink H. nobilis has been flowering all winter
H. transylvanica
My Moraeas have buds. Just a little early :o
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Notholirion out at the moment. It's taking over the trough!
Can anyone identify the species?
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Romulea tetragona
Oddly enough, wouldn't open fully on bright sunny days but was nicely open in the fog today.
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Rafa I have just seen your endemic snapdragon. I had never thought before where they are native. I have a trailing one whose name escapes me that has been flowering on and off during summer and autumn.
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Panic stations- could this be the end of summer? ;)
Flowering here in the garden now are our first 'autumn flowers'- wonder if it's because we had rain twice this month?
Colchicum (bought as) bivonae
Sternbergia sicula 'Arcadian Sun'
Biarum tenuifolium (?)
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1) Thalictrum delavayi var. decorum
2) Clematis 'Pamiat Serdtsa'
3) Viola canadensis
4) Antirrhinum sempervirens, still blooming... a repeat from long ago, but I show it again because it's darned amazing to have a perennial snapdragon in zone 3. ;D
5) Double geranium... hmmm, is this a new one this year? (If so, how could I have lost track already?!?) Or did I move the old 'Birch Double' to this spot... ? ??? It'll come back to me eventually...
6) Aconitum lycoctonum... I think? (I also have a spring-blooming yellow aconitum, and I'm getting confused between the two; perhaps I'll try posting it on the ID forum.)
7) Inula ensifolia and Campanula trachelium
8 ) Seeds sown as Echinops tschimganicus but I'm no longer sure of that ID.
9) Rosa 'Champlain'
10) Aconitum napellus
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Re- Viola canadensis - I've flowered this one for the first time this summer. I'm impressed that it is has flowered the whole summer from May. Quite a nice plant too! Do you know what habitat it has in the wild?
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Viola canadensis occurs all across the aspen forest belt and in the coulees of the prairies, wherever there is a bit of shade and moisture.
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Re- Viola canadensis - I've flowered this one for the first time this summer. I'm impressed that it is has flowered the whole summer from May. Quite a nice plant too! Do you know what habitat it has in the wild?
surprised that you both have this flowering so late! here it is a fairly common native, but flowering is long finished now!
stephen-just to add to what lori said--here i am in the mixed-boreal forest/aspen zone, and it doesnt seem to be a terribly fussy plant, growing in relatively 'open' aspen stands, but also in mixed forest, and i have even seen some plants near spruce in mixed forest, in quite shady spots, and flowering...
i emphasize 'open' since while these spots dont have the density/darkness of coniferous forest, this violet flowers later than some smaller species, and the trees are fully leafed out, so it is shady; also, it is growing with large epilobium/chamerion and asters among other things, which are not fully grown when it starts blooming, but well on the way, so again, it is quite shady..
i havent seen them in the wetter forest edges near low areas, so, like everything here, they are adapted for possible mid-summer dryness, which varies, but not as dry as the prairies..
i will share some pictures when i get them sorted out..
i have a stand very near my house that has a strong tendency to pink (still white flowers, but pinkish) that both gerd and lori commented on last year--i was hoping to maybe share some seeds, but didnt find any :(
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Panic stations- could this be the end of summer? ;)
Flowering here in the garden now are our first 'autumn flowers'- wonder if it's because we had rain twice this month?
Colchicum (bought as) bivonae
Sternbergia sicula 'Arcadian Sun'
Biarum tenuifolium (?)
sadly, here, the end is not far at all, though still very green and things flowering now; we have had frost warnings, and the high friday was 9C! should be back to mid-20's this week...
at least you have a second wave of flowering to look forward to :) my attention will soon turn back to indoor plants...lol
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I can't claim any credit for this Teucrium aroanium, which is just coming out, as I bought it at Edrom Nursery last Thursday.
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Lori,
that Echinops is wonderfull. I've been growing E. ritro for some years, as it seeds about, but this white perfect sphere is very classy. The foliage appears a bit finer, as well. I can't help confirming the species, as they all look pretty much the same to me.
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1) Thalictrum delavayi
2) Rosa 'John Cabot'
3) Gypsophila oldhamiana
4) Sedum populifolium... aside from the leaves, it's rather interesting in that it's woody, and fragrant.
5) Hemerocallis fulva... or some rampantly rhizomatous cultivar that's pretty close to it.
6) Hemerocallis 'Bela Lugosi' - never appearing so richly dark in my garden as I had hoped.
7) Hosta x 'Blue Mouse Ears', planted last year.
8 ) Thalictrum delavayi 'Album'
9) Potentilla nepalensis
10) Late bloom on Geranium farreri
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Lori,
Mary has been admiring your little hosta with a certain jealousy. She purchased a plant in the spring but has seen no flowers this season. It is a little beauty.
Paddy
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Jamie, I grow Echinops ritro too, so I know that the white one is not it. (Aside from the flower colour, the leaves on the white one are almost skeletal and somewhat whitish, while those on E. ritro are broad and green.) But I haven't been able to find any reference to E. tschimganicus, and I have started to question whether it is E. sphaerocephalus... ? Anyway, I will collect seeds from it later, if it is of any interest!
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Sedum populifolium... aside from the leaves, it's rather interesting in that it's woody, and fragrant
The leaf does look really interesting and it's nice to know it's scented, Lori, if hardy I would like to grow it here?
Both Thalictrum are lovely, I love the way they soften a planting with tiny heads.
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in lori's sparrowhawk tarns thread, we were talking a bit about Silenes, and i mentioned agricultural weeds here;
here are a couple of shots from a couple of weeks ago, just up the road-i'm not sure what species the Silene is, maybe latifolia or noctiflora..the pinkish-white swathes in mid and farther back are the silene;
this is a hayfield, and you can see lots of alfalfa and sweet clover, grasses, canada thistle in front etc; if this silene is edible to cattle, then it wouldn't be much of a concern, but you can see it is a significant weed here, though i have not seen many fields this extreme..
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Paddy, I will send positive thoughts in your direction and hope that yours puts out a flower spike soon! I'm not deeply interested in hostas, but it is a rather sweet little thing.
Fascinating flowers on that Teucrium, Anthony! (Not a group I've grown yet... though I plan to work on that!) Any chance of a close-up?
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Lori,
I sure do! Let me know when they are ripe.
H. Bela Lugosi is much darker and fatter in my garden. The sort of greying effect in dark purples/blacks is typical of cooler nights. I have a few that are not as good as Bela. Your plant may improve. Is it relatively new?
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I have seen the Hosta 'Mouse Ears' on the show benches... it makes a verty neat wee plant.
Lori's photo is the first time I have seen it in flower and I am impressed at the sturdy nature of the flower spike and the flower itself.... it seems to have a good substance and face outwards well.
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if hardy I would like to grow it here?
Yes, Robin, Sedum populifolium is hardy here, so that probably bodes well for you. Not all of the wood survives from year to year, but it has been root-hardy over a few years now.
it is a significant weed here, though i have not seen many fields this extreme..
Yup, that's more silenes than I've ever seen in one spot!
Lori,
I sure do! Let me know when they are ripe.
H. Bela Lugosi is much darker and fatter in my garden. The sort of greying effect in dark purples/blacks is typical of cooler nights. I have a few that are not as good as Bela. Your plant may improve. Is it relatively new?
Well, that would likely explain it then... 10 deg C is a relatively warm overnight low here. It's been there for some years now, so not likely to improve. And yours are much more what I had in mind... very nice!
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it is a significant weed here, though i have not seen many fields this extreme..
Yup, that's more silenes than I've ever seen in one spot!
I think the proper term is "locally plentiful" ::) ;D ..... there are rather a lot of them!
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it is a significant weed here, though i have not seen many fields this extreme..
Yup, that's more silenes than I've ever seen in one spot!
I think the proper term is "locally plentiful" ::) ;D ..... there are rather a lot of them!
rather a polite term...lol...i just looked at the official alberta weeds list, which breaks them down into restricted/noxious/nuisance..there are silenes or lychnis on all three lists... the list is irritating to me, though, as some natives are on the list due to toxicity to livestock.... doesnt cut it for me, the plants were here first; eliminate from a particular pasture, if you must, but dont put them on a 'must destroy if found' list...
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Flowering here now- though not very abundantly- more clouds needed?
Salvia nebulosa nubicola :-[
Flowering here in the wild- this one from the valley of the Wonderful Bridges. I wa hopig to see this onein the wild to confirm adifferences.
Salvia glutinosa
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Great Salvias, Simon, they always intrigue me - S nebulosa looks like and open hippo mouth ;D
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Funny you should say that, Robin, as soon as I reopened the pic, I saw what you meant. :D
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it is a significant weed here, though i have not seen many fields this extreme..
Yup, that's more silenes than I've ever seen in one spot!
I think the proper term is "locally plentiful" ::) ;D ..... there are rather a lot of them!
"Blasted weed" would be the term more commonly applied.
Paddy
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Both very nice Salvias, Simon. Both are interesting colour or marking combinations by the look of them. Love the colours in the first one. Never seen either of them here in Aus, although possibly available from specialists here. Looks like they're growing happily for you. :D
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Paul, the first is mine, from seed I brought over. I think it might be happier in a slightly less sunny position. You are welcome to seeds- to add to the others ;). The second I did have in the UK, but seed I brought over hasn't yet germinated. I shall try to collect seed from the ones shown in the wild- as I think the lip markings are much better than the form I had in the UK.
By the way- I do hope you or the bees have been running around those Narcissus pollinating them. :P
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Lori,
I sure do! Let me know when they are ripe.
H. Bela Lugosi is much darker and fatter in my garden. The sort of greying effect in dark purples/blacks is typical of cooler nights. I have a few that are not as good as Bela. Your plant may improve. Is it relatively new?
Now there's another one I like. 8)
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hmm--simon, you think the name refers to a need for clouds? ;)
i can see the hippo as well..both really nice salvias...
paddy-the silenes are a bit bothersome, but i reserve my most colourful descriptions for tall buttercup-Ranunculus acris (the descriptive word i use before buttercup is not 'tall'!) another invasive european, it is more likely to displace natives as it grows farther from cultivated areas, spreading through moist meadows in particular, and into woods etc, blooming from spring til after frost..the worst part for me is that it is most abundant in wet areas, which otherwise had mostly been free all the weeds that came with agriculture..
the pic shows a pasture with wetter area to the left, and this is by no means the densest infestation..
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hmm--simon, you think the name refers to a need for clouds? ;)
i can see the hippo as well..both really nice salvias...
Well I know if refers to something misty, foggy or cloudy- but can't see how that can be a description of the plant itself- another example of a drunken botanist? ;)
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Well I know if refers to something misty, foggy or cloudy- but can't see how that can be a description of the plant itself- another example of a drunken botanist? ;)
i can go for that.....
maybe the only thing nebulous was their understanding of the species?? lol..i remember a haworthia species like that--i forget which--maybe paradoxa? the name didnt refer directly to the plant, but rather to the understanding of the species, its range or relationships...
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The naming of S. nebulosa seems a bit vague ::) but Salvia glutinosa has indeed a very appropriate name. It's the stickiest plant I have ever grown in my garden. My dogs ended up looking like walking salvias.
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Oh no- 39 and having a 'senior moment'!!!!
I just checked and my Salvia nebulosa is in fact properly called Salvia nubicola. So not 'cloudy'- but 'living in the clouds'- sorry for the mistake- or slight memory lapse.
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Oh no- 39 and having a 'senior moment'!!!!
I just checked and my Salvia nebulosa is in fact properly called Salvia nubicola. So not 'cloudy'- but 'living in the clouds'- sorry for the mistake- or slight memory lapse.
Serves you right for not having a birthday cake! :P
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Not often your judgement is clouded Simon ;D
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By the way- I do hope you or the bees have been running around those Narcissus pollinating them. :P
Simon,
Actually, I haven't been. I'd imagine that a lot will set seed form all the bees buzzing around, but I haven't deliberately crossed anything. I've sort of been assuming that bulbs can be sent to your country, rather than just seed? I guess I had best confirm that now, or else get out there with the paintbrush in a hurry. :o
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Oh no- 39 and having a 'senior moment'!!!!
I just checked and my Salvia nebulosa is in fact properly called Salvia nubicola. So not 'cloudy'- but 'living in the clouds'- sorry for the mistake- or slight memory lapse.
Simon, I like your hippo-salvia whatever you call it :D
Salvia bulleyana or should it be S. flava ??? flowered with me for the first time this year.
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Gunilla,
Another fascinating colour combination for a Salvia. I don't think I've ever seen the purple and yellow/red and yellow combinations except here on the forums. Very striking!
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Here is some pics from my garden a sunny morning after some rain. The Scilla is under glass. I have tried it outside, but it did not survive the first winter. The Rhododendron is out of time and so is some of my Sternbergia. I have seen the first buds in St. lutea and siclula, so shortly I post some flowers.
Poul
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Super images Gunilla, Paul and Poul (sounds like a folk group)! :D
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Among things I grow is also Pinus silverstris ;D
and Anemonopsis macrophylla (Thank you Stĺle) Yes I will remove the Aegpodium ;D
And Stenanthium gramineum v robustum that has survived for over forty years with me - must be a real survivor.
Cheers
Göte
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Here is some pics from my garden a sunny morning after some rain. The Scilla is under glass. I have tried it outside, but it did not survive the first winter. The Rhododendron is out of time and so is some of my Sternbergia. I have seen the first buds in St. lutea and siclula, so shortly I post some flowers.
Poul
thanks for these, poul, autumn bulbs are a group i don't know much about, so its interesting to see more... acis is esp interesting to me from this posting...
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How depress...errr, interesting, I mean, to see those fall bulbs in bloom! ;D
1) Quite odd to have columbines blooming in mid-August but I guess that's the weird climate here... Aquilegia vulgaris hybrid.
2) Wild cucumber, Echinocystis lobata - native to the river valleys of southern Saskatchewan, and south and east from there. A fragrant, vigorous, annual vine with interesting seedpods (which I'll show later unless someone begs me not to ;))... My mom grew this on the fence, and as a kid, I always found them quite fascinating. (Googling it just now, I see it is an invasive weed in Serbia :o... Oops, sorry, but on the other hand, maybe it's only fair we give one invasive weed back in return... ;D )
3) Clematis viticella 'Rubra'... or possibly 'Polish Spirit'? (We have a lot of mislabelled clematis!)
4) 'Evans' sour cherry, ready for picking.
5) Betula apoiensis
6) Gentiana dahurica
7) Gentiana paradoxa
8 ) Silene x robotii 'Rollie's Favorite' has been blooming since the beginning of June... the leaves have gotten a little bug-chewed, but it's been quite impressive. (Perhaps this redeems the reputation of the genus Silene a little... ;D)
9) Yucca filamentosa, starting to open.
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- Acis autumnalis.jpg
- Codonopsis convolvulaceae.jpg
- Colchicum montana.jpg
- Cosmos astrosanguineus.jpg
- Crocosmia & Hortensia.jpg
- Rhodondendron.jpg
- Roscoea humeana-1.jpg
- Scilla lingulata ciliolata.jpg
The acis is one of the best of the very small bulbs, but has a vice it shares with other small species of acis: ex-flower stems bearing seed capsules. These rather spoil the appearance of a good patch.
Your Cosmos atrosanguineus doesn't look like the ones here. Ours are solid maroon or black-red, with no lighter area in the center. I find that it has to be pot grown for protection from excessive winter moisture and freezing temperatures. Do you grow yours in the open garden or in a container?
Finally, that crocosmia reminds me of the cultivar 'Jupiter', a good uniform orange, but orange cultivars of crocosmia are a dime a dozen so I won't say that it *is* Jupiter.
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Among things I grow is . . . Anemonopsis macrophylla . . .
A lovely plant that like many other Japanese plants has to be container grown in my garden. Otherwise the squelchy saturated winter soil will cause them to rot away - if, that is, they haven't desiccated away to nothingness during our usual summer drought. I've also found that anemonopsis cannot take direct sun; the leaves scorch almost instantly. Definitely a plant for a shady, cool position that's moist in summer and well drained in winter.
I've gradually been moving mine (grown from seed) into increasingly larger pots; it's now in a 5-liter pot and flowering to beat the band! Next year, 10-liters!
I expect to harvest a good crop of seed for the exchanges in a few more weeks. Watch for a posting in the I'm So Happy thread.
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How depress...errr, interesting, I mean, to see those fall bulbs in bloom! ;D
2) Wild cucumber, Echinocystis lobata -
5) Betula apoiensis
7) Gentiana paradoxa
8 ) Silene x robotii 'Rollie's Favorite' has been blooming since the beginning of June... the leaves have gotten a little bug-chewed, but it's been quite impressive. (Perhaps this redeems the reputation of the genus Silene a little... ;D)
9) Yucca filamentosa, starting to open.
more good food for gardening thought...
-i have admired the cucumber on seed lists, haven't seen one in person, yet..
-the betula is interesting--what is its ultimate form? i find small trees fascinating,was looking closely at some birches on kristl's list
-i have no problems considering silene a genus with good and bad members... actually, i was rather fond of the weedy species, until i saw how profusely it was sprouting this spring in the bit of veg garden i dug last year--no space between the seedlings in places! and fat roots!
--how does the yucca look in spring in calgary? this was a very common plant in toronto, but it looked awful in spring after snow melt--very flattened and battered looking, eventually recovering, but really nice (okay-spectacular!) only in flower, absolutely without the the foliar appeal of glauca, which was very uncommon there.. maybe your lesser snowfall would leave it looking better?
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3) Clematis viticella 'Rubra'... or possibly 'Polish Spirit'? (We have a lot of mislabelled clematis!)
Lori, what I have as 'Polish Spirit' is a deep blue-violet so maybe yours is 'rubra'.
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Rodger, I am pretty sure that Poul's Cosmos does not really have a pale center..... the pic is taken in rain and what we are seeing ("reading") as a pale middle is just reflection from the wet surface..... :D
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At this time of year many of you have been busy seed collecting. May I ask you a favour?
As you collect and clean the seed, would you please take photos of the various seed types you have, spread on 1mm graph paper to show the scale, and send the named photos to me in the first instance. The idea will be to post them in a special seed ID section of the forum and produce a "library" of photos of seed likely to be found in the seed exchanges of the SRGC, NARGS and AGS .
We are trying to compile a file of photos of correctly named seed to help identify true seed for packers of the seed exchanges and to let folks see if the seed they "think" they have bears any resemblence to the true type seed at all!
It would be very helpful if forumists with seed they know to be true, would be so kind as to take part in this project. It will be an enormous task, taking many years to amass a full list of seeds likely to be of interest to rock gardeners, but with many helpers we hope progress can be made.
I do hope you will all consider taking part in this project.
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-the betula is interesting--what is its ultimate form?
--how does the yucca look in spring in calgary?
I assume that that is pretty much the ultimate form of Betula apoiensis; it's been there about 10-11 years. Both Yucca filamentosa and Yucca glauca look pretty much the same year round here.
Thanks, Ashley.
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I assume that that is pretty much the ultimate form of Betula apoiensis; it's been there about 10-11 years. Both Yucca filamentosa and Yucca glauca look pretty much the same year round here.
thanks, lori..good to know... of course my snow conditions are very different than yours, though still not wet like toronto...
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The acis is one of the best of the very small bulbs, but has a vice it shares with other small species of acis: ex-flower stems bearing seed capsules. These rather spoil the appearance of a good patch.
Your Cosmos atrosanguineus doesn't look like the ones here. Ours are solid maroon or black-red, with no lighter area in the center. I find that it has to be pot grown for protection from excessive winter moisture and freezing temperatures. Do you grow yours in the open garden or in a container?
Finally, that crocosmia reminds me of the cultivar 'Jupiter', a good uniform orange, but orange cultivars of crocosmia are a dime a dozen so I won't say that it *is* Jupiter.
Rodger,
The flowers of C. atrosanguineus was quite wet, and that gives an illusion of a lighter center area. When dry they are uniform maroon and not shiny at all. In fact they look almost as velvet fabric.
I like the different ways flowers look wet/dry, sunshine/dim light/sunset light, but I must admit it can be confusing to identify the plant from a single photo, taken when the flower did not look 'normal'.
The Crocosmia is a nameless cultivar bought in a garden center many years ago before my interest in bulbs started. It could certainly be Jupiter.
Thanks for your comment.
Poul
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Rodger, I am pretty sure that Poul's Cosmos does not really have a pale center..... the pic is taken in rain and what we are seeing ("reading") as a pale middle is just reflection from the wet surface..... :D
Maggi,
Your eyes are very sharp!
You are absolutely right, the pale middle is just light reflections.
By the way, I am collecting seeds now, and I will be glad to send photos to the seed database.
Poul
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Poul,
Do you get seed on your Cosmos atrosanguineus? Very rare to do so, in fact I think I had only heard of it happening in NZ, but I wasn't sure if your posting implied you were collecting seed from IT or other things?
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By the way- I do hope you or the bees have been running around those Narcissus pollinating them. :P
Simon,
Actually, I haven't been. I'd imagine that a lot will set seed form all the bees buzzing around, but I haven't deliberately crossed anything. I've sort of been assuming that bulbs can be sent to your country, rather than just seed? I guess I had best confirm that now, or else get out there with the paintbrush in a hurry. :o
I'd be happy either way, Paul
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thanks for these, poul, autumn bulbs are a group i don't know much about, so its interesting to see more... acis is esp interesting to me from this posting...
Cohan,
Autumn bulbs are very interesting. Many are little known too and you get lots of comments from 'inexperienced' visitors such as: 'Even the snow drops are confused by the climate change' when the see my Galanthus Reginae Olgae flowers in October.
Autumn bulbs can be hard to find, but there are many different species. In fact most spring bulbs has one or more autumn flowering sister.
They can be difficult, but many are quite easy, among them is Acis autumnale. They have just started flowering, in the following weeks I hopefully can show you big clumps of them.
Poul
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Poul,
Do you get seed on your Cosmos atrosanguineus? Very rare to do so, in fact I think I had only heard of it happening in NZ, but I wasn't sure if your posting implied you were collecting seed from IT or other things?
Paul,
No, I have not seen any seeds yet from C. atrosanguineus, but with your information it could be a challenge to get some.
I meant seeds in general when I replied too Maggi's request.
Poul
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Maggi,
By the way, I am collecting seeds now, and I will be glad to send photos to the seed database.
Poul
Thanks, Poul, your contribution will be much appreciated. 8) :-*
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Acis autumnale. They have just started flowering, in the following weeks I hopefully can show you big clumps of them.
That sounds lovely... I'll look forward to seeing that ..... I am envious :-X
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Acis autumnale. They have just started flowering, in the following weeks I hopefully can show you big clumps of them.
That sounds lovely... I'll look forward to seeing that ..... I am envious :-X
also looking forward to it!
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Paul,
No, I have not seen any seeds yet from C. atrosanguineus, but with your information it could be a challenge to get some.
I meant seeds in general when I replied too Maggi's request.
Poul
Poul,
Apparently up until the NZ plants set seed, every plant in cultivation was division from a single clone and had not set seed. For some reason though there was some seed set in NZ at one point, which has increased the clones now and made at least some seed possible. I think Lesley has mentioned before that she gets seed from hers. All it needs for a single clone to "unlock" is for seed to set once, then the seedlings can be cross pollinated and not have the whole self-infertile block. You have to wonder how many things that are only a single clone in cultivation actually DO set seed in a circumstance somewhere that means the seed never survives. All that potential wasted. ::) Not something I lie awake at night worrying about, I must admit. ;D
Myself, I'd love to grow the Cosmos atrosanguineus from seed and see if I can get a seedling that does better for me here. For some reason it struggles a bit for me, but my friend Lyn here in Canberra has hers grow and multiply very freely. :-\
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1) Sanguisorba dodecandra
2) Penstemon smallii
3, 4) Hanabusaya asiatica... endangered in its native range in Japan, apparently?
5) Erodium petraeum, in a welter of Acinos alpinus stems
6, 7) Anemonopsis macrophylla... two buds this year, finally... and a big green stink bug (Chlorochroa) inside the flower in the photo.
8 ) Lysimachia vulgaris
9) Nepeta subsessilis 'Sweet Dreams'
10) Dianthus amurensis
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I have a seedling C atrosanguineus flowering from Lesley's seeds. I did contact the RHS and Kew to see if anyone was interested since the RHS magazine was saying that seeds are never set etc etc, but got no interest shown at all. If mine sets seed (does it need a partner, Lesley?) I will send it to the exchange to watch out for it folks.
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Anne,
as I understand the situation, C. atrosanguineus is extinct in the wild and has been propagated via a single clone which is self-infertile. Now, as to whether all individuals are self-infertile, I do not know. There is a breeding population in New Zealand which is the current source of seed. It will be interesting to see if your plant is self-fertile or not. If it proves to be infertile, I would recommend you purchase a plant of the commercial clone and do some cross pollinating to build-up a European population.
One would think others have done the same, but I've heard no news. As to the RHS and Kew not responding...well, that has been my experience as well. I am no longer a member for that reason. Apparently, they are both more oriented to creating better balances than actually promoting horticulture. Sad.
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as I understand the situation, C. atrosanguineus is extinct in the wild and has been propagated via a single clone which is self-infertile.
from http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/pbs/2006-July/025496.html
Re. Cosmos atrosanguineus, Appropriately, the first place where I collected seed of this Cosmos was in meadows of herbs under tall pines on a hillside in Jalisco, Mexico. I believe, in my field notes I remarked how the site reminded me of the pine woods of Pebble Beach and the Monterey Peninsula.
So there is hope.
I should add that when I found a pot of C. atrosanguineus this summer with a "Proven Selections" label, I snapped it up on the off-chance that it represents a different clone from the specimen I already had.
One can't help but speculate that the original introduction in 1908 [sic] was by seed. If so, it's quite unlikely that only one seed germinated, but then the question arises, what happened to the other seedlings? OTOH, C. atrosanguineus is a rather fussy plant to grow, needing winter protection in colder climates. The vicissitudes of the World Wars may have caused it to be neglected in both Germany and the UK, the two countries most likely to have taken a shine to it, with resultant loss.
A quick look through my library shows it's not listed in any of the compendia on bulbs nearest to hand, nor those on alpines, but I did find two references:
Graham Stuart Thomas in Perennial Garden Plants (1976 edition), p. 111:
Cosmos atrosanguineus (Hook.) Stapf. ... Mexico. 1835. Bidens atrosanguinea
Chris Bricknell & Fay Sharman in The Vanishing Garden, 1986, pp:. 76-77
Introduced to Britain in 1835 when William Thompson of Ipswich (forerunner of Thompson & Morgan) received seeds from Mexico. ... easily increased in spring by ... softwood cuttings [from newly formed shoots]. ... represents a triumph in the cause of horticultural conservation. Despite the bestowal of an AM in 1938, this unusual and lovely plant had seemed in danger of disappearing from cultivation. It has only recently been relocated in several gardens and, as a result, has been propagated and is now offered by a number of specialist nurseries.
Thus, the introduction date of 1908 is refuted.
I believe (but why, I cannot say) that it was put through tissue culture, cleansed of viruses, and thus we got the reasonably vigorous clone that is widely sold today. Or is it only here in BC that it's widely sold? (I cannot believe this is possible.)
PS: Thomas's book is responsible for many near-lost garden plants being recovered, by spurring interest in them. His discussion of Crocosmia, I feel sure, triggered enough enthusiasm for seekers to go find long-lost cultivars. It (the book) is one of the enduring monuments of the horticultural literature.
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A few bits & pieces from here:
Alstroemeria huemulina from PlantWorld seed. I can't find much info on this one.
Cyclamen cilicium looking very at home in this limestone rubble.
Two 'Merendera' which both came from John Forrest : a lovely dark form of pyrenaica, and also montana.
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Darren,
the two Merendera are lovely. A new genus to me. Is it an new division from Colchicum? or just one that rarely gets attention. Amazing to think of the wonderful plants we have growing at our front doors and, yet, we are always fascinated by the foreign beauties. A bit of both, please! ;D ;D ;D
Nicely coloured Alstromeria. I've found them difficult to establish, but, like English Ivy, once there, they never go away! A reward for all the effort? ::)
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Hi Jamie,
Merendera is an older genus that was recently sunk into Colchicum which is why I used the quotation marks. You may see a picture by Poul of 'M. montana' further up this thread (Aug 18th) as Colchicum montanum which is the current name. I think both species (pyrenaica & montana) are sunk together now too - am I correct anyone? It is entirely possible that they have now changed back again or been placed in the same genus as squirrels or otters or something. I can't keep up so I've kept the labels as they were when I got them in the expectation that eventually they will be correct again.... ;)
If you like these two you should track down Merendera kurdica, which is I think the loveliest of the genus but hard to obtain & harder to grow!
Cynical, Moi? :o
I'm pleasantly surprised by the Alstroemeria. It is only 10 months old from seed. A.hookeri sown at the same time flowered within 8 months. Now I've just got to keep them alive but I will keep them in pots for now.
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Hi Jamie,
Merendera is an older genus that was recently sunk into Colchicum which is why I used the quotation marks. You may see a picture by Poul of 'M. montana' further up this thread (Aug 18th) as Colchicum montanum which is the current name. I think both species (pyrenaica & montana) are sunk together now too - am I correct anyone? It is entirely possible that they have now changed back again or been placed in the same genus as squirrels or otters or something. I can't keep up so I've kept the labels as they were when I got them in the expectation that eventually they will be correct again.... ;)
If you like these two you should track down Merendera kurdica, which is I think the loveliest of the genus but hard to obtain & harder to grow!
Cynical, Moi? :o
I'm pleasantly surprised by the Alstroemeria. It is only 10 months old from seed. A.hookeri sown at the same time flowered within 8 months. Now I've just got to keep them alive but I will keep them in pots for now.
Darren,
Your Colchicum/Merendera look great!
Is pyrenaica as easy to cultivate as montana?
I grow Alstroemeria in open garden without any problems except that it sets lots of seed, so if I don't do anything I have them everywhere!
Poul
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Darren,
thanks for the info. I'll keep an eye out for any of them! I love a plant with discrete charm, even if a bit difficult. I am planning another rockery-scree area for Iris and company.
Poul,
like you said, they do seed about once they decide they like it. I have one plant that I've attempted to remove a few times, but it just comes back. The main root mass is over 50cm deep in the ground and a very succulent, thick and massive matt. If one has the room to let them run in the sun, they do make a wonderful display, but tend to die down into a real mess in mid-Summer. Nothing's perfect!
Jamie
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Please Lori, what is the name of the pink flower behind Gentiana dahurica on your pic ?
Regards
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If anyone is having a problem with Alstroemeria I can send some voles over. Judging by how quickly my seedlings vanished they have quite a taste for the rhizomes.
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Please Lori, what is the name of the pink flower behind Gentiana dahurica on your pic ?
Regards
It's Calamintha grandiflora, Nicole - if it's of interest to you, I can collect seeds later?
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A.hookeri ... flowered within 8 months. Now I've just got to keep them alive but I will keep them in pots for now.
Protect against hard freezes. I lost a large established pot of A. hookeri last winter when I failed to include it in the fall roundup of "plants that need winter protection".
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oh yes Lori, it will be a pleasure to receive your seeds later.
Cheers ;)
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A few photos from today. It has been a lovely sunny day :).
1-2 Codonopsis lanceolata
3 Aster macrophyllus 'Twilight' - my favourite aster
4 Euonymus planipes - a lovely little tree or bush
5 E. planipes seed
6 Clematis pitcheri
7 Scutellaria incana
8 Calendula officinalis - seeds everywhere but I like them
9 Pulsatilla - this one must have lost track of time
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Gunilla,
lovely C. pitcheri. I lost mine some years ago, but have a small C. crispum that hangs in there for me. Such sweet blossoms. Do you grow any other section Viorna clematis?
Is that a dark leaf Geranium in the background? I saw one this summer in the USA and was fascinated by the colouring. Does it bear seed?
The Euonymus is such a wonderful colour plant, don't you think? I have a few different ones growing from seed I collected at the local Bot Gardens. The colours are almost neon in the right moment. Foliage is nice as well. Thanks for sharing these.
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Jamie, do you have Euonymus grandiflorus Red Wine ? I can collect seeds on my one if you want.
regards
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Gunilla, love that Codonopsis!
Flowering indoors here, and photographed with my new birthday presie ( Cheers Mum and Dad xxx )
Chirita sp.
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Gunilla,
lovely C. pitcheri. I lost mine some years ago, but have a small C. crispum that hangs in there for me. Such sweet blossoms. Do you grow any other section Viorna clematis?
Is that a dark leaf Geranium in the background? I saw one this summer in the USA and was fascinated by the colouring. Does it bear seed?
Jamie,
I did have Clematis fusca but have not seen it this year so I have probably lost it. Loved the woolly buds.
The Geranium is 'Purple Haze' from seed many years ago (Plant World Seeds). It does bear seed but sorry to say I missed to collect them this year. The seedlings vary in colour from very dark chocolate to dark green. I could find you a dark seedling if you want.
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Jamie, I have also Clematis viorna. Some seeds ? ;)
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Gunilla, Nicole,
you two are just plain generous ;) ;D Yeah, I would love some seed of C. viorna, the Euonymus selection and a small plant of the Germanium. I realize I am getting into trouble, as this means more pots, but then, just what is this obsession about, if not more pots! :-X
Here are a few of the last bloomers, the last shot is of a Clematis cultivar whose name I have lost. Very nice and reliable scrambler-type. A hybrid, but I don't recall from what.
Hem. Screen Pattern
Hem. Hankow x SDL
unk Clematis hyb
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ok Jamie, I shall send them to you later, when they are ripe :)
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Well, Chris, that Chirita is a most acceptable birthday gift.... I reckon your Mum and Dad have your health interests at heart to give such a gift, eh? !! ;) ;D ;D No cholesterol in sight there!! :D
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A few photos from today. It has been a lovely sunny day :).
1-2 Codonopsis lanceolata
3 Aster macrophyllus 'Twilight' - my favourite aster
4 Euonymus planipes - a lovely little tree or bush
5 E. planipes seed
6 Clematis pitcheri
7 Scutellaria incana
8 Calendula officinalis - seeds everywhere but I like them
9 Pulsatilla - this one must have lost track of time
some lovely things in your garden, gunilla!
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Poul & Jamie,
Merendera pyrenaica gets the same treatment as montana and neither cause any problems. I like them for the fact that they flower so early in the bulb season. I often get seed but suspect that they cross with each other, plus the seed is reluctant to germinate like so many Colchicum. They both increase by small offsets though. I can see leaves developing so suspect it is too late to move them this year but I may have the odd spare offset next summer.
I'd be willing to try the bigger Alstroemeria out in the garden as we have well drained soil. My main worry would actually be the massive mollusc population we have and I also worry that we might get too much rain in late summer when the higher alpine species are trying to rest. If more seeds germinate I may experiment!
Darren.
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Well, Chris, that Chirita is a most acceptable birthday gift.... I reckon your Mum and Dad have your health interests at heart to give such a gift, eh? !! ;) ;D ;D No cholesterol in sight there!! :D
Maggi,
I think the gift was what he used to photograph the Chirita!
cheers
fermi
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No shortage of bloom here, though not much new...
1, 2) Hylotelephium telephium ssp. maximum
3) Cyclamen purpurascens... this one is looking rather poorly this year... first aid suggestions, anyone?
4) Mertensia primuloides
5) Nymphaea 'Colorado' is finally regaining its vigour, after the mysterious setback...
6) Rosa 'Purple Pavement'
7) A lungwort that gives a nice foliage show, Pulmonaria 'Excalibur'
8 ) Sanguisorba officinalis 'Tanna'
9) Lonicera x 'Dropmore Scarlet' still blooming nicely... unfortunately, we've only had one hummingbird (immature or female Rufous) visit briefly. (The act of putting up a hummingbird feeder usually drives them away instantly. :()
10) Geranium x 'Patricia', still performing.
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Your season doesn't seem to end Lori ! :o ;D
Your G. x Patricia looks a quite floriferous specimen !
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Darren,
I used to worry about the molluscs as well, but found they were not overly interested in Alstromeria, although one did notice a small bit of damage. Their preference for Hosta won out. :-\ :-\ The fact was, the Alstromeria was much more robust than any population of slugs and snails. If your plant is getting pretty large, I doubt there will be a problem.
If you get any seed, regardless of being hybrid, I would be most interested. Hbrids actually do better in my garden, due to the chance hybrid-vigour that pops up. We are quite wet in Cologne, other than the Summer, which is humid air and dry ground. Actually, a bit like Lancs I would think.
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Well, Chris, that Chirita is a most acceptable birthday gift.... I reckon your Mum and Dad have your health interests at heart to give such a gift, eh? !! ;) ;D ;D No cholesterol in sight there!! :D
Maggi,
I think the gift was what he used to photograph the Chirita!
cheers
fermi
Ooops! I get things wrong again! Well, a camera has no cholesterol either, huh?!!
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Lori, your garden is so full of lovely plants I am surprised you can tear yourself away at all to go hiking!
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Lori, your garden is so full of lovely plants I am surprised you can tear yourself away at all to go hiking!
Conversely ... that's why I go away so much, Maggi! :D :D
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Lori,
can you tell us anything about Pulmonaria 'Excalibur'? I have googled it, but find it only available in Britain. The leaves are quite spectacular. Do they hang in for the entire season, or do they die back and look ratty, as with most Pulmonarias? If it is very new, we may see it here in Germany next season. Funny, most of the new plants are propagated in Germany and Holland, but the first market is Britain. Hmmm, yes, very peculiar that is ;D ;D
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If it is very new, we may see it here in Germany next season. Funny, most of the new plants are propagated in Germany and Holland, but the first market is Britain. Hmmm, yes, very peculiar that is ;D ;D
Is it that the British market for plants is so large, Jamie? Also the UK has so many large and well-publicised garden shows, Chelsea etc. that perhaps the UK market is also the quickest route to widest publicity for new plants????? :-\
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Jamie,
Pulmonaria 'Excaliber' is also available here in Australia as it happens. 8)
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Acis autumnale. They have just started flowering, in the following weeks I hopefully can show you big clumps of them.
That sounds lovely... I'll look forward to seeing that ..... I am envious :-X
Well Maggi here they are...
Poul
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No shortage of bloom here, though not much new...
1, 2) Hylotelephium telephium ssp. maximum
3) Cyclamen purpurascens... this one is looking rather poorly this year... first aid suggestions, anyone?
4) Mertensia primuloides
5) Nymphaea 'Colorado' is finally regaining its vigour, after the mysterious setback...
6) Rosa 'Purple Pavement'
7) A lungwort that gives a nice foliage show, Pulmonaria 'Excalibur'
8 ) Sanguisorba officinalis 'Tanna'
9) Lonicera x 'Dropmore Scarlet' still blooming nicely... unfortunately, we've only had one hummingbird (immature or female Rufous) visit briefly. (The act of putting up a hummingbird feeder usually drives them away instantly. :()
10) Geranium x 'Patricia', still performing.
Lori,
What a garden you have!
And you are a very good photographer too. I am always looking forward to your post. Thank you!
Poul
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Jamie,
Pulmonaria 'Excaliber' is also available here in Australia as it happens. 8)
OK, there we go! Everyone has this thing but me! Boooo! Hissss! ::) Maybe it has another name in German.
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Well, thank you for the kind words! :D
Your season doesn't seem to end Lori !
Given its brevity compared to most of the areas represented on this forum, it's only fair that it is, at least, intense! ;)
can you tell us anything about Pulmonaria 'Excalibur'? The leaves are quite spectacular. Do they hang in for the entire season, or do they die back and look ratty, as with most Pulmonarias? If it is very new...
It's an intro by Dan Heims from, I think, 1994 1993. Assuming you are asking about the foliage through summer(?), it is an excellent performer and the foliage remains pristine throughout. It's absolutely immune to mildew, which affects some others in my yard (e.g. 'Samurai').
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Pulmonaria 'Samurai' has been a more reliable silver-leafed P. here than P. 'Excalibur' or 'Majeste'...the latter two tend to "crap out" (sorry...is there a better term that conveys just the same condition?).
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Jamie,
Pulmonaria 'Excaliber' is also available here in Australia as it happens. 8)
OK, there we go! Everyone has this thing but me! Boooo! Hissss! ::) Maybe it has another name in German.
Nice looking plant.
If it is any consolation, Jamie, I've never seen it! :-[
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Pulmonaria 'Samurai' has been a more reliable silver-leafed P. here than P. 'Excalibur' or 'Majeste'...the latter two tend to "crap out" (sorry...is there a better term that conveys just the same condition?).
Prince Charles would probably say; "Deteriorate", Carlo ... Prince Harry (and I) would be with you ... :D
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Acis autumnale. They have just started flowering, in the following weeks I hopefully can show you big clumps of them.
That sounds lovely... I'll look forward to seeing that ..... I am envious :-X
Well Maggi here they are...
Poul
WOW! And how terrific do they look?? Fantastic, Poul, a huge number! 8)
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Pulmonaria 'Samurai' has been a more reliable silver-leafed P. here than P. 'Excalibur' or 'Majeste'...the latter two tend to "crap out" (sorry...is there a better term that conveys just the same condition?).
prob a very different summer! here (by here i mean lori's) rather cool overall (many warm days, but not so many hot ones), cool nights all summer, much shorter summer, and lower humidity compared to east coast where i think carlo is? forgetting exactly, now.. so not surprising a different cultivar is better in each place...
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Acis autumnale. They have just started flowering, in the following weeks I hopefully can show you big clumps of them.
That sounds lovely... I'll look forward to seeing that ..... I am envious :-X
Well Maggi here they are...
Poul
WOW! And how terrific do they look?? Fantastic, Poul, a huge number! 8)
Yes there is quite a lot, but unfortunately they are not mine. Yesterday I visited the botanical garden in Aarhus, Denmark. I come there often as I work in the same city. There is a rock garden too, and there I found these Acis. I do not know which clone it is, but they are different from mine in the way that they set no seeds at all. Mine are very fertile, so I have quite a lot, but not that many.
Here is some views from the rock garden.
Poul
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Here is some plants from the botanical garden of Aarhus. There are lot of different species (many that I do not know), but not so many bulbs as I would prefer.
All plants are more or less hardy, they stay in ground through the winter, some with a little protection.
Paul, the Cosmos did not have seeds.
Poul
Berkheya purpurea.jpg
Centaurium scilloides.jpg
Cosmos astrosanguineus1.jpg
Eryngium yuccifolium.jpg
Yucca angustifolia.jpg
Zauschneria pumilio.jpg
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Thanks for this visit to the Botanical Gardens, Poul...... a very good place to see 8)
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Hi Lori,
Like Your pics,I am a bit behind with my responce,but will be back on track soon,love that geranium "Patricia"as I do with lots of them.
how is the plants performance?Would I see it in the Soc seedexchanges/ :-\
cheers,
Guy
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Hi, Guy. Geranium x 'Patricia' is an excellent performer here in these conditions (dry, low humidity, sunny, chinooks, poor snow cover, short season). It's very floriferous and blooms up until frost or slightly before, and is a very substantial plant - one out in our front yard, where it has lots of room, is over 3 feet tall and around. It is a hybrid (don't recall its parentage off-hand) so I don't know how true it would come from seed... or even, I suppose, if it is fertile? I'll have to watch and see if it forms seeds, and if so, I will let you know. (Thinking about it, I don't recall actually seeing any... ???)
EDIT: Several internet sources say that it is sterile... which would explain things... however I'll check the Yeo book later. G. psilostemon is one parent...
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Here is some plants from the botanical garden of Aarhus. There are lot of different species (many that I do not know), but not so many bulbs as I would prefer.
All plants are more or less hardy, they stay in ground through the winter, some with a little protection.
Poul
very nice to have such a garden close by for regular visits..
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Lori it was great to see a plant named Patricia which wasn't a horrid colour. Have a pretty Narcissus Charity May which I bought because one of my daughters is named Charity.
Would be good to try seed if it ever does set seed.
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Poul,
Very nice pics. I've not heard of Zauschneria pumilio before, but adore Zauschneria californica (to be honest, I've never come across any others in the genus before as far as I know). Your tiny species looks rather interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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Here's what Peter Yeo has to say about G. x 'Patricia':
Though there is no specific reference to "Patricia' in this regard, he does say, "G. psilostemon crosses with several other species to give sterile progeny", also that 'Patricia' is a cross between G. psilostemon and G. endressii, by Alan Bremner (ref. Hardy Geraniums, Second Edition, Peter F. Yeo).
From that, and the fact that despite a long bloom period, I don't see any seed structures at all, I'm afraid it's not looking too good for seed collection... :(
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Hi Lori,
Thanks for all Your info re "G Patricia" this explain what we are looking for,have to be on the lookout in the future,there is a Gardencentre near Dublin we visit a few times a year,and find sometimes the unexpected and unusual :o.
we have some in our collection, i try to get out today and get a few pics and post them later.
I have "G Psilostemon"growing,more easy to grow then to pronounce,but I would not like to be without the plant,it is doing everything a gardener would like from a plant,it is just sprawling true larger plants and scrubs,flowering non stop well into the end of the summer,coloring everything in the vicinity beautiful :D
Have not taking cuttings lately,so i must think about that task next Year,or get some divisions,we would not like to loose our stockplant.
also G "Ann Thompson" G" Ann Folkart are good gardenplants I give them 9/10 suppose G" Psil is involved there he.
OK talk again later,
Cheers, ;)
Guy
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Here is some plants from the botanical garden of Aarhus. There are lot of different species (many that I do not know), but not so many bulbs as I would prefer.
I stumbled over this botanical garden last summer and was pleasantly surprised as I hadn't heard of it before - nice rock garden and arboretum. Thanks for the memory...
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Here is some plants from the botanical garden of Aarhus. There are lot of different species (many that I do not know), but not so many bulbs as I would prefer.
All plants are more or less hardy, they stay in ground through the winter, some with a little protection.
Poul
very nice to have such a garden close by for regular visits..
Yes, that is nice. I use the Botanic garden in several ways. First of all to learn new plants and get inspiration to my own garden, but I also use it as a reference when identifying plants and for finding the right habitat for plants.
And in the future I will try to remember my camera on my visits so I can post more pics in this forum.
Poul
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Got the chance to get around today to get a few pics to share,weather is still awful rain and stormy winds.
I am not so sure about the naming of the geranium. ???will be back on it next time around.
Enjoy the pics,
cheers
Guy ;)
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Geranium Patricia is really a beautiful plant. I have some groups of them and I made some pictures.
The plant are very rich flowering in June/July.
My plants are never flowering longer than mid August.
I checked today that there are some seed on the plants , so I don’t believe that they are sterile, because I find now and then some seedlings around.
I hope to save some of the seedlings, they have the appearance of Geranium psilostemon.
Here the pictures:
Geranium psilostemon
Geranium Patricia (group) and flower.
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Beautiful showy plantings, Luit. The black center and guidelines are much more strongly pronounced on your 'Patricia' than on mine, which has more of a dark red colour replacing the black (see close-up)...
Guy, lovely plants! I've tried 'Rozanne' a couple of times here but it has barely survived... Would love to have the late blooming tricyrtis species, but they actually bloom too late here and get nipped or killed by frost! (The couple I tried also seemed rather marginally hardy...)
Poul, terrific photos! Great to have a good garden nearby to visit!
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With all this talk of sterile hybrid geraniums, I have to sing the praises of G. 'Ann Folkard' with its lurid magenta flowers and yellowish foliage. Although the foliage greens up as summer passes, it never entirely loses that yellowishness.
One mature, well-established plant of Ann Folkard can scramble a meter or more in every direction; it only takes a few to make a big show!
I have it interplanted with a vigorous zauschneria, originally bought in a 4" pot as a dwarf form, but it's no such thing. "Pestiferous, ineradicable, but beautiful thug" would be a more accurate description. The combination of its strong vermilion with the magenta-purple of Ann Folkard is one of those color combinations that would give the shivers and the horrors to those delicately minded, pastel-souled gardeners who prefer delicate, color-coordinated, pastel schemes - but I like it, though it's accidental.
The one drawback to Ann Folkard is that it's not easy to propagate. When you lift and divide a clump of it, you don't get very many viable pieces. But since one plant can cover a big territory, that's not a very serious drawback.
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We are getting into the late bloomers now...
1) Kalimeris incisa 'Blue Star'
2) Campanula x 'Peter Nix'
3) A native that adds late colour to the grasslands, snakeweed, Gutierrezia sarothrae, with Carlina acaulis
4) Allium sikkimense
5) Campanula punctata with Geranium sanguineum var. striatum
6) Sanguisorba tenuifolia 'Pink Elephant'
7) Allium cyaneum
8 ) Dianthus amurensis (a better picture... :))
9) Yucca filamentosa, now in full bloom
10) Dasiphora/Potentilla fruticosa 'Pink Beauty'
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...zauschneria, originally bought in a 4" pot as a dwarf form, but it's no such thing. "Pestiferous, ineradicable, but beautiful thug" would be a more accurate description.
I hope the "ineradicable" part proves to be true here as well! (I wouldn't complain if it was slightly thuggish here, either... the differences between zone 3 and zone 8(?), of course. ;)) I'm thinking... with much trepidation... of moving my Zauschneria (now Epilobium) garrettii into more sun, now that the trees have grown. I do enjoy it's late bloom and vivid colour - it's just starting here, and often goes well into October.
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Babiana ambigua.....finally flowering for me
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Beautiful showy plantings, Luit. The black center and guidelines are much more strongly pronounced on your 'Patricia' than on mine, which has more of a dark red colour replacing the black (see close-up)...
Guy, lovely plants! I've tried 'Rozanne' a couple of times here but it has barely survived... Would love to have the late blooming tricyrtis species, but they actually bloom too late here and get nipped or killed by frost! (The couple I tried also seemed rather marginally hardy...)
It looks like you are having a different plant Lori??
The Geranium Rozanne grows near Patricia here and is a very good grower as is G. Jolly Bees (Probably the same as Rozanne?)
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More On the geraniums,
I am getting more confused with our Ger." Patricia" etc,so i did a Little research.
Luit, Your G."Pat" is sure different from lori`s post,I took some pict of my own plants in the garden and it is easy to see the difference in G."Psilost and G.Ann Folkard special on the size of the leaves,also show the flower difference with Your G."Pat" I think is more like G."Psilost also the leaves are resembling the same.
With regards to Daniel J Hinkley "The Explorers Garden" and his entry "Geraniums for Groundcover" (one of my bedsite books)He mention Ger."Procurrens" with a union to G."Psilost witch resulted in exceptionally garden worthy plants,perhaps the best known of the bunch is G."Ann Folk"He mention also the plant as sterile,a sister seedling from the same cross "Anne Thomson"possesses the nearly identical flowers and foliage but in a more clumping format,(what would answer Rodgers solution to get a more compact plant)but have to admit with Rodger about the outstanding quality as a garden plant.I would not be whitout it,and the don't dislike to get an occasional hairdo during there growing season,Ever try to take cuttings?
So maybe G."Patr" is one of its other sister seedlings?? :-\ ,not disputing X endressii. ::)
Cheers to all,
GUY ;)
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It looks like you are having a different plant Lori??
Well, certainly different from yours, Luit. Perhaps your "Patricia" is actually a pure G. psilostemon, given that the flower characteristics seem to match it - perhaps I'm missing a subtle detail, but I can discern no difference from your photos. Since your plant is not sterile, as 'Patricia' is said to be (and which seems to be borne out by my plants), that may well support a mistaken ID also.
Since the origin of 'Patricia', unlike so many hybrids, appears to be well-documented (see my previous post), I don't see reason to doubt its ascribed parentage or characteristics.
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From my web site
Patricia http://www.marksgardenplants.com/patricia2.html (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/patricia2.html)
Anne Folkard http://www.marksgardenplants.com/ann-folkard.html (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/ann-folkard.html)
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My contribution to the confusion.
Two photos of my G."Patricia" on the same plant.
I did not attach the good picture. :-[
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Looks OK BBF
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second turn
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/imol-1.jpg)
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And some more on Geranium Patricia:
Hopefully this posting will give some more light on the “real G. Patricia”.
First I must say that the plant I grow here as Patricia, is a much better plant than the
G. psilostemon I have.
In many descriptions in catalogues it’s described as:
Big, bold dark green foliage. Bright pink-magenta flowers with a black, star-shaped center
Therefore I thought my Patricia is the right one.
I studied the RHS Trials Report of 2006 and found out that the AGM plant was send there
by Hardys-Plants.co.uk, and on their website is a picture of Patricia, which looks more like Lori’s plants.
http://www.hardys-plants.co.uk/product.asp?plant=1983
There is a picture too of G. psilostemon, which looks exactly like my G. ?? Patricia.
http://www.hardys-plants.co.uk/product.asp?plant=388
The picture in the RHS Trials Report is not a good reproduction.
http://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/documents/geranium06.pdf
I am afraid that due to the great demand of G. Patricia, most plants in trade are micro-
propagated. Normally propagation is rather slow.
That might be the solution of the different plants in our gardens??
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I have a plant of G. Ann Thompson, originally acquired at Axletree Nursery.
I prefer this above Ann Folkard, because it has not the yellow leaves in spring.
The flowers are practically the same, but I have no pictures.
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I think the only difference between Folkard and Thompson is leaf colour.
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Here's a better photo of Patricia
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or from the top
Bressingham Flair
psilostemon
Patricia
Ivan
Nicola
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Trade Geraniums are very often wrong with names switched intentionally or not.
I have seen G. himalayense, G. x 'Magnificum' and G. 'Johnston's Blue' all sold as each other. I've seen sanguineums labelled wrongly. To the ordinary public it doesnt matter because they are buying for colour or shape. A few years ago 'Tanya Randall' reappeared as 'Luscious Linda'. 'Rozanne' and 'Jolly Bee' are most likely the same
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I'm late getting to this thread but here's some pics of my Patricia.
Am pretty sure it has never set any seeds.
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I don't know how reliable these accounts are, but they claim different parentage between 'Rozanne' and 'Jolly Bee'... ? Yeo doesn't comment on either in his book.
As 'Rozanne' has not proven a good performer for me, I've given up and have not tried 'Jolly Bee', so have no basis for comparison.
http://www.hort.wisc.edu/mastergardener/Features/flowers/Geranium/Geranium'Rozanne'.htm
http://www.heronswood.com/geraniums-geranium/geramium-jolly-bee/
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Lori 'Rozanne' is only a few years old while Yeo's book came out in the 80s. I grow 'Rozanne' and 'Jolly Bee' side by side in the garden.
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'Jolly Bee' and 'Rozanne'
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This will get boring in a minute and Maggi will start hitting the delete button ;D
I can see how G. wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' x G. himalayense can create 'Rozanne' but not 'Buxton's' x shikokianum.
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Here is my Crinodendron hookeri showing fruits, flowers and buds for next spring's flowers.
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Interesting (though, as I said, I don't grow either)- here are the patents on 'Rozanne' and 'Jolly Bee', respectively, claiming the parentage mentioned in the other internet references, above:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/PP12175.html
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/PP12148.html
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Anthony! Isn't that an enticing foto. Did you raise yours from seed? How much cold do they handle? As I recall, they prefer an acid soil, which I doubt I can truly provide, although I have a few ericaceous plants that have adapted, they are the exception.
Thanks for sending the fotos,
jamie
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Garden centres here sell the plants, so no I don't grow from seed. I think they are marginally hardy here, and mine is certainly in a sheltered spot.
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Anthony! Isn't that an enticing foto. Did you raise yours from seed? How much cold do they handle? As I recall, they prefer an acid soil, which I doubt I can truly provide, although I have a few ericaceous plants that have adapted, they are the exception.
Thanks for sending the fotos,
jamie
Jamie,
we have the Crinodendron in cultivation in the nursery here. We protected it in a glasshouse in with 5 Degree Celsius in winter. I know a Crinodendron patagua who survived the last winter with -21 Degree Celsius in a nursery in Duisburg. I saw the plant in February, damaged and all leafs brown. The same plant I see two weeks ago, with new leafs and new young shoots and a high of 40 centimeters. I think it can survived in a shade position in the garden.
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Thanks, Uli, for the encouraging words,
as you know, Cologne is warmish and I suspect a matured plant will have few troubles. Seeds are on the way, so I'm game! ;D After all, I do have a palm (Tr. fortunei) thriving here, as well as Agapanthus, Edgeworthia chrysantha, Fuchsias, etc. A lot depends on position and ground.
J.
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Winding down...
1, 2) Campanula incurva
3) From a few seedlings of Arisaema sanguineum 'Siren's Song' planted out last year, I was glad to see one finally emerge not long ago... not a moment too soon!
4) Tiger lilies, Lilium lancifolium
5) Aconitum x cammarum 'Bicolor'
6) Clematis tubulosa var. davidii... blooming between the greenhouse and fence where a lot of heat is trapped. (Another plant more in the open won't bloom for a while yet.) Nice fragrance.
7) A couple of very late Clematis alpina flowers... very strange.
8 ) First flowers on Aconitum heterophyllum, from seed last year.
9) Aurelian-asiatic hybrid lily, 'Ivory Bells'
10) Rosa 'John Cabot', still going strong.
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Lori,
I love the bicolor Aconitum, and the Clematis tubulosa is another I've not come across before. Is it one of the shrub ones, like C. stans? Looks a bit like it could be, although very different leaves.
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... Clematis tubulosa... Is it one of the shrub ones, like C. stans? Looks a bit like it could be, although very different leaves.
Yes, it's mostly upright but slightly rambling.
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Lori,
Interesting. C. stans is truly a shrub here, behaving very much like a tree paeony, dying back to "trunks" then reshooting from the old leaf axils etc. So yours is sort of like a cross between a shrub and a climber then? How big does it get to? Does it die right back to the ground? I keep coming across new Clematis here on the forums that I've never heard of before. All good! ;D
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Love the Campanula incurva Lori ! Bold flowers are'nt they ? :D
I grew a white form this season - I read somewhere it was monocarp, but my plant has made new rosettes so I'm hoping.
Do you have some experience with it ?? ???
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Clematis alpina almost always flowers again in the autumn here (just a few flowers)
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Finally.....some signs that summer is ending down here..
some photos taken yestardy just before sunset at the beach.
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Looking nice Oron !
Don't worry only 3 more months before the first Iris' appear ... ;D ;D
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Thanks for reminding me of that Luc, just when i started to be more optimistic... ;)
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C. stans is truly a shrub here, behaving very much like a tree paeony, dying back to "trunks" then reshooting from the old leaf axils etc. So yours is sort of like a cross between a shrub and a climber then? How big does it get to? Does it die right back to the ground? I keep coming across new Clematis here on the forums that I've never heard of before. All good! ;D
Sorry, Paul - I misunderstood your question - thought you were asking about habit, for some reason. C. tubulosa dies to the ground completely here.
Love the Campanula incurva Lori ! Bold flowers are'nt they ? :D
I grew a white form this season - I read somewhere it was monocarp, but my plant has made new rosettes so I'm hoping.
Do you have some experience with it ?? ???
Luc, they seem to be mostly biennial-ish here... plants that haven't bloomed in the second year will last another year or so. These plants are from a batch I grew from seed in 2006 or 2007. Will have to check photos to be sure.
Clematis alpina almost always flowers again in the autumn here (just a few flowers)
Interesting... haven't seen it here before. Also have a single bud on Rosa 'Agnes'... unprecedented as well for us.
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A friend took this pic of Primula scotica at Yesnaby on Orkney in mid August. Yes, that is a pound coin. :o
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Lori,
I was asking about habit. My understanding of the "shrubby" Clematis is that they maintain a permanent system of stems/trunks, not being a climber as such. That is why I was asking whether yours was a shrubby one or not. You've answered me perfectly, as yours is one of the herbaceous types that die back to the ground. The flowers on yours are similar to my stans in many ways I think, which was why I was wondering whether yours was another of the shrubby types. I have no idea how many shrubby ones there actually are, so it was worthwhile asking. 8) I get moderate seeding from stans (probably mainly because i trim it back after each flowering and it comes back into flower again throughout summer) and a few seedlings coming up. A Clematis I wouldn't be without now, but I don't think it is one that commonly seen as I rarely see it mentioned.... or else it is so common that no-one thinks about it.
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Finally.....some signs that summer is ending down here..
some photos taken yestardy just before sunset at the beach.
very nice! these are all unknown to me, and very cool..
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Nice pics Oron,
Is the last ones Urginea maritima?
Poul
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Yes Poul it is U. maritima.