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Title: Hemerocallis
Post by: Alberto on May 22, 2009, 08:13:55 PM
Hi all, this is the first Hemerocallis that opens its lemon-scented flowers. It is a medium high plant with a long. about 20 days, blooming season.
Alberto

Hemerocallis flava

Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Maggi Young on May 23, 2009, 11:18:02 AM
I guess that with Hemerocallis opening, Alberto, you now have summer   !
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Lvandelft on May 23, 2009, 06:54:12 PM
I would have expected H. flava to flower weeks before in N. Italy. I started to flower here last Monday.
At the moment we have here between 15 an 20 C., but summer.... :-\
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Alberto on May 25, 2009, 01:12:07 PM
H. flava usually flowers early, but Maggi you are right, we are fully summer, also today we have above 30°C!!!
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Maggi Young on May 25, 2009, 02:05:34 PM
H. flava usually flowers early, but Maggi you are right, we are fully summer, also today we have above 30°C!!!
14 degrees C here today, grey, cloudy and soon to start raining, I think.  :(
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on June 09, 2009, 08:32:16 PM
Another Hem opened today, Curt Hanson's 'Odds and Ends'.  Always floriferous and early blooming for me.  A favourite parent in my open form hybridizing program.

Some other plants have started blooming, but with the rain and cold weather of the last week, they look rather insipid, to be polite.  Here are shots from last season, as I doubt I will get others this year.

ODDS AND ENDS
APPLIQUÉE
CARY GRANT
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on June 12, 2009, 11:04:29 PM
One good day of sun and I came home to some properly open blooms today.  These are a few diploids I have been working with.  The H. citrina hybrid blooms very early and is lightly fragrant, tall and well budded.  Also, the flower colour show lycopene pigment, which gives it a slightly melon tone.

The unknow plant from China was given to me by Jürg Plodeck in Switzerland.  He brought it back from Shanghai Botanical Garden.  It may be a hybrid.  A bi-tone, fragrant, spider form.  Could be a hybrid of citrina with fulva rosea....or not.  It is nocturnal blooming.

The white seedling is out of 'Prairie Blue-Eyes', but I lost the pollen parent label.  May be 'Dad's Best White' or 'Ice Carnival'.  PBE is known to throw a lot of almost-white kids.  Produces lots of flowers and multiple scapes per fan.

citrina hybrid
H47 (Chinese import, unkown)
Prairie Blue-Eyes seedling
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on June 13, 2009, 12:25:38 AM
Jamie,

I rather like that last one.  Congratulations on a fine seedling!
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on June 14, 2009, 05:51:40 PM
This is a very dynamic seedling-  The petals are typically a bit more ruffled and longer, but the intense contrast makes it hard to miss in the garden.

Hint of Harmony x UNK
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paddy Tobin on June 14, 2009, 08:13:38 PM
Wow, Jamie,

That's just fabulous.

Paddy
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Ragged Robin on June 17, 2009, 09:36:45 PM
A colour worth waiting for Jamie  :)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 07, 2009, 02:22:30 PM
After my 2 week hiatus in the USA, I came back to a garden full of flowers.  Here are a few blooming between the raindrops.  The first 6 are registered cultivars, while the last 4 are my seedlings.  As you can see, I prefer the spider and UF types, especially in diploid Hemerocallis
.

Coral Eye Shadow (Roberts) diploid
Holly Dancer (Warrel) diploid
Loch Ness Monster (Coutorier) diploid
Lola Branham (Burkey) diploid
Heavenly Flight Of Angels (Gossard) diploid
Ojo de Dios (Roberts) diploid
ERC-901 (Exotic Rhythm x Capulina) (Vande) diploid
UNK-901 diploid (Vande)
UNK-902 diploid (Vande)
UNK-803 diploid (Vande)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 07, 2009, 02:45:39 PM
And now for some tetraploid hybrids.  For those that are not familiar with daylilies, the tetraploids are heavier, have brighter flowers, typically on robust plants.  Fringes and patterning are typical for tetraploids. 

Addis Ababa (Moldovan) tet
Always Appliquée (Scott) tet
Bird Talk (Lambertson) tet
Blues Avenue (Morss) tet
Do The Twist (Lambertson) tet
Julie Newmar (Morss) tet
Lemon de Vil (Vande) tet
SxRB-1 (Vande) tet
BWxSK (Vande) tet
ABPxUNK (Vande) tet
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Maggi Young on July 07, 2009, 03:55:34 PM
Quote
As you can see, I prefer the spider and UF types, especially in diploid Hemerocallis



Jamie, sorry if I ask a question to which the answer is already given: what does UF mean, please?
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 07, 2009, 04:27:36 PM
Hi, Maggi,

UF is short for Unusual Form.  Yeah, sounds silly.  Apparently, most wanted to call them exotic forms, but the Amis found that too provocative! ::) ::) ::).  Maybe someone just misspelled it on the ballot! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: David Nicholson on July 07, 2009, 04:38:36 PM
Lovely display Jamie.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Maggi Young on July 07, 2009, 06:09:08 PM
Thanks, Jamie .... there is often a clue, I suppose!  ;)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 07, 2009, 10:09:21 PM
After my 2 week hiatus in the USA, I came back to a garden full of flowers.  Here are a few blooming between the raindrops.  The first 6 are registered cultivars, while the last 4 are my seedlings.  As you can see, I prefer the spider and UF types, especially in diploid Hemerocallis
.

Coral Eye Shadow (Roberts) diploid
Holly Dancer (Warrel) diploid
Loch Ness Monster (Coutorier) diploid
Lola Branham (Burkey) diploid
Heavenly Flight Of Angels (Gossard) diploid
Ojo de Dios (Roberts) diploid
ERC-901 (Exotic Rhythm x Capulina) (Vande) diploid
UNK-901 diploid (Vande)
UNK-902 diploid (Vande)
UNK-803 diploid (Vande)

It's very exciting to see new forms unfolding Jamie and I too like the more delicate spider Hemerocallis- how do you name them and what does UNK stand for?

I can see the resemblance in the undulating petals to the Loch Ness Monster and Holly Dancer is a great name for such a hot berry red  ;)

I had no idea that some varieties are scented...
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 07, 2009, 10:24:34 PM
Robin,

UNK is for unknown.  I use it for seedlings where the parent tag has been lost, plus a sequential number.  Although I can take a good guess what the parent were, I do not like registering misinformation.

The named varieties, like Holly Dancer, are often named after people.  I prefer to use fun names that stick in your head, although I am planning on naming one for my sisters house, 'On Shoestring Bay'.

Fragrance is often found in Hemerocallis.  Especially the varieties decended from H. citrina, H. lilioasphodelus and H. altissima are sweetly fragrant and often nocturnal bloomers that remain open the next day.  I have a few seedlings that really fill the garden with their notes. 
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 07, 2009, 10:29:21 PM
Wonderful and very interesting Jamie, thanks for all the info and I look forward to seeing more new H's.  Are the nocturnal ones pollinated by moths?
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 07, 2009, 10:50:32 PM
Wonderful and very interesting Jamie, thanks for all the info and I look forward to seeing more new H's.  Are the nocturnal ones pollinated by moths?

Robin,

excellent question.  I've not read anything specific, but most fragrant nocturnal bloomers are visited by moths, which, with their large, sensitive antennae, would certainly be capable of finding the blossoms.  During the day, Hems are typically swarmed with hover flies, which feed on the pollen.  I have to pollinate flowers early on, otherwise the hover flies have hoovered it all up!
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 07, 2009, 10:54:52 PM
So you only have one day/minute to make the most of the pollen from each flower  ;)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Stephenb on July 07, 2009, 11:03:08 PM
With a hint to the recent comments about diving out in the garden with torch to check up on a plant, I just did this to check on the scent of my Hemerocallis lilioasphodelus which came into flower today and, yes, a sweet fragrance was detected. Checked my other Hemerocallis currently in flower - H. dumortieri was also fragrant (does this mean that it's not dumortieri?), but middendorfii wasn't scented.

However, living this far north torches are not necessary at midnight... It also proves that darkness is not required for a good scent!

Thanks for prompting my midnight foray!
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Diane Clement on July 07, 2009, 11:11:45 PM
I'm glad there's someone out there who knows something about Hemerocallis. 
My knowledge of Hemerocallis is zero. 
The following pictures are of a plant bought from Chen Yi under the name of Roscoea blanda (!) Its rather a tall plant, 1.5m
Jamie or anyone else any ideas what it might be?
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Maggi Young on July 07, 2009, 11:31:58 PM
Must confess that I know so little about Hemerocallis that I believed them all to be scented   :-[
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 08, 2009, 04:16:04 AM
Must confess that I know so little about Hemerocallis that I believed them all to be scented   :-[

But they are all edible! Great to add to a salad!
But choc-coated ??? I don't know ;)
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 08, 2009, 08:13:13 AM
Diane,

yours looks to be H. citrina, a very fragrant nocturnal, but the similar H. altissima is also possible.  They are hard to seperate with a foto.  They are closely related.

And, yes, the flowers are quite edible and delicious in a salad.  The dried buds are often used in stir-fry and the fresh flowers have a pleasent acid note.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Stephenb on July 08, 2009, 08:46:48 AM
Some people (me included) get an unpleasant burning aftertaste from eating the raw flowers (in which case probably best not to), but most people really like the taste. I nevertheless use the buds a lot in stir-fry dishes and soups. Here's a picture of Day Lily buds (H. dumortieri) with Scorzonera hispanica buds ready for the wok...


 
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Lvandelft on July 08, 2009, 09:00:42 AM
Here is a picture of H. citrina I grow. This was the best form of a batch of seedlings (Korea seed), which I many years ago acquired
from German nurseryman Hans Simon, who is known in Germany and abroad as one of the best plant knowledgable persons.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 08, 2009, 09:14:40 AM
Luit,

that is not H. citrina.  Attached is a typical plant.  It may have narrower tepals, as well, but not heavier.  Your is most likely a hybrid.

I'm off to work, but will get back to this subject!

H. citrina
H. thunbergii
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Diane Clement on July 08, 2009, 08:57:25 PM
Diane,  yours looks to be H. citrina, a very fragrant nocturnal, but the similar H. altissima is also possible.  They are hard to seperate with a foto.  They are closely related.
And, yes, the flowers are quite edible and delicious in a salad.  The dried buds are often used in stir-fry and the fresh flowers have a pleasent acid note. 

Thanks for this, Jamie.  I've just gone out for a nocturnal sniff, but the flowers are closed.  So I didn't get a whiff at all  :-\ 
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 08, 2009, 11:14:54 PM
For those of you wishing to learn more about the currently acknowledged species, go to this site.  It is the best reference available, imho.

http://www.hemerocallis-species.com/

I personally grow only a few species, which I use for hybridizing.  They are an interesting way to add vigour to the hybrid gene pool, but the other side of the coin is that they tend to revert the off-spring to a more wild form.  One can only dip into the species gene pool on rare occaisions.

There is currently a great deal of misinformation and falsly identified 'species' in circulation.  With fresh collections coming in from China, we all hoped for more clarity, but this hasn't been the case.  Even plants from Botanical gardens have proved to be old cultivars only distantly related to true species.  Then there is the old discussion as to what actually constitutes a species. 

One item I would like to clear up is the fragrance and nocturnal habits of certain species.  In the litereature, species such as H. citrina and H. altissima, along with the disputed entity of H. vespertina, are listed as fully nocturnal, which is simply not the case.  Yes, they open their flowers at dusk, but not all clones close their flowers at dawn.  Many continue to stay fresh through the next day, but rarely survive through a hot afternoon.  Their fragrance is apparent during the entire time, not just at night.  When hybridized to diurnal species, the off-spring may be nocturnal, diurnal or extended bloomers (combination with flowers remaining fresh over 18 hours, sometimes to 48 hours).

One fo the best way to distinguish species, other than general morphology, is their bloom season.  As I mentioned before, H. citrina and H. altissima are difficult to seperate, being very similar.  H. citrina blooms in mid-Summer, is about 140cm tall, widely branched and carries about 60 light yellow, fragrant, spidery blossoms.  H. altissima blooms in late Summer to Autumn, is about 180cm tall, tightly branched and bears up to 80 pale lemon, fragrant and spidery, somewhat closed flowers.

H. dumortieri blooms very early in Spring, is about 50cm tall, bears small orange flowers with brown reverses.  It is pretty easy to recognise.

There are at least three unidentified Hemerocallis recently imported from China and Japan.  One has small orange flowers, produced on tall wirey scapes during mid-Summer in abundance, about 150cm tall and has fine foliage.  Resembles H. multiflora, but blooms 4 weeks earlier.  Another is a lightly fragrant, spidery, bi-tone, blooming in mid-Summer, 140cm tall, with about 20 buds.  May be a hybrid between H. fulva and H. citrina.  A third, which I have raised from Japanese collected seed, carries yellow flowers, non-fragrant, with a long floral tube, held on the horizontal and often has radial branching.  Blooms in late Summer, is about 160cm tall.  May be related to H. hakuunensis, if not that species.  Seed received as H. tubiflora, a non-existant species.

Fotos attached

H47
sps China
H. tubiflora (nomen-nudum)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Stephenb on July 09, 2009, 10:36:12 PM
Thanks for the link to the Hemerocallis site. I remember contacting Juerg Plodeck (who created this Web site with his Chinese wife) in 2001 as I was looking for information as to which species were cultivated for food in China (somebody sent me a link to an earlier version of this web site). He was kind enough to send the following information:

“Concerning the Hemerocallis species which may be tasty I know especially the following:
- H. citrina (this smells the best and I was told in Peking bot. garden that it is this one which is used for cooking)
- H. lilioasphodelus (if I look at the ones which one can buy in plastic bags for cooking it is either this one or it is H. altissima)
- H. altissima (see comment under H. lilioasphodelus)

I have never seen that H. fulva 'Kwanso'(recommended by PFAF) was sold in plastic bags in Chinese shops. The smell of H. fulva and its varieties is almost not present for humans. H. middendorffii has also a good smell; I do not know the smell of H. esculenta.

Normally Hemerocallis flower buds are used as a kind of spice but not as powder but rather more as entire flower or as cut flower.”


Further, he very kindly sent me fans of both H. citrina and H. altissima. Citrina flowered after only a few years (mid-to-late summer), but has been a shy flowerer since (although I had to move it which put it back). Altissima finally flowered after 7 years last summer – well worth the wait and, living up to its name, it is very tall (climbing as you can see in the picture to the 3rd floor of my house! ;))  - and, yes, flowering in late summer. Would love to see Hemerocallis cultivation in China one day.

From your description, my dumortieri is something else - although it is early into flower and quite low growing. So, I need that one now....
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: arillady on July 10, 2009, 12:56:10 PM
Jamie and Stephen - it is so nice to see species Hemerocallis - so much more tailored forms than what is usually available. Seed of the species is not offered that often is it? Well I haven't noticed much in the seed lists that I receive.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Lvandelft on July 10, 2009, 06:33:10 PM
Thank you Jamie for this very interesting website. Now I see that I have grown not the real H. citrina.
I show a picture I made of a plant of H. Hyperion, which is looking like my plant but differs from it.
I have no picture of the flower yet. (I made many pictures of Hems in the same garden)
But comparing I say it's about the same type of my plant in growth, so my plant could be a sort of the same hybrid as Hyperion.
What do you think?

Hemerocallis Hyperion
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 11, 2009, 07:11:33 AM
Daylily's are just starting to flower here.

DestinedToSee.jpg
Fortune'sFolly.jpg
OrangeDitchLily.jpg
UnKnownOrange.jpg
UnKnownRed.jpg
UnKnownYellow1.jpg
UnKnownYellow2.jpg
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on July 11, 2009, 07:32:01 AM
Guff,

I just love that first one.  I've always liked the contrasting eye zones, and in combination with the picotee edging and the lavendar colouration, it looks pretty much like the perfect daylily to me.  8)  I might have to see if that one is available here in Aus.  'Destined to see' is pretty accurate, or perhaps destined to notice might be even more accurate.  You certainly couldn't miss it I would imagine.  ;D

Thanks for the great pics.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Stephenb on July 11, 2009, 09:47:07 AM
Jamie and Stephen - it is so nice to see species Hemerocallis - so much more tailored forms than what is usually available. Seed of the species is not offered that often is it? Well I haven't noticed much in the seed lists that I receive.


I have plants of the following from seed exchanges in recent years (AGS and SRGC):

H. citrina
H. citrina vespertina
H. fulva littoralis (littorea?)
H. lilioasphodelus
H. nana

Lilioasphodelus took 5-years to flower from seed.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: arillady on July 11, 2009, 10:37:52 AM
Oh good I should be able to get a few species.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 11, 2009, 06:54:24 PM
Paul, Destined To See is also one of my favs. It's a short plant, scape is about 2ft.

I was in a hurry and it was about to rain, so I cut off the anthers from Bella Sera before I took the picture. Not a great flower of Bella Sera, sometimes the first flower to open isn't their best.

BellaSera.jpg
Orangutan.jpg
UnknownRed2.jpg
UnknownYellow3.jpg

Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Kristl Walek on July 11, 2009, 07:35:52 PM
Happy to see this thread---for years I have tried to get seed of species Hemerocallis (and Hosta) for eventual seed production (& catalogue offerings)....but getting correct species has been difficult (the hybridization issue aside when they come from garden collections).

Any reliable sources anyone knows of for wild collected seed of either genus-of if anyone here has correctly named seed of ANY species (ideally from a wild source), please contact me for some crazy exchanging.

Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on July 11, 2009, 11:54:09 PM
Guff,

So you're doing your own hybridising then?  I'm guessing as you're removing anthers that would be the reason?  I like that last unknown yellow too, with the red eye.  nice!!
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 12, 2009, 12:21:31 AM
Mmmm... some interesting plants there all right. Not all to my taste, but....

I only grow a very short species (about 20 cms in flower, don't know what it is), and a relatively small hybrid called 'Corky.' I had a good red called 'Seventh Symphony' at one stage until an un-named male person sprayed it with Roundup while clearing some weeds.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on July 12, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
Lesley,

I must admit that in general I prefer the smaller "miniature" varieties, but I love some of the big showy "round" ones, particularly with good eye zones.  One of my favourite minis is 'Knick Knack', which is a quite small flower but very prolific.  The colour is this intense tangerine.  I have a large type called 'Simply Pretty' which matches it almost perfectly in colour as well.  'Mosel' is a nice mini cream, 'Little Zinger' is a nice mini red.  There's some beauties out there. :D
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 12, 2009, 01:37:04 AM
Paul, I dabble with crossing daylily's, I don't have a goal or outcome of each cross. This will be my 5th year making crosses. My first year or two I did alot of Dip crosses, but was overwhelmed with seeds. Now I just stick to my best Tet's, and get maybe 150-200 seeds each summer. Too much work, and not enough time to do anymore then that each year.

Yes, I collect the pollen and store it in the freezer to use throughout the summer. I put Bella Sera pollen onto a Destined To See flower, hopefully it takes. Bella Sera is a difficult pod parent, I can get pods to set, but they wilt and drop off after a month, I don't bother trying anymore.

If you want to browse daylily's online Google The Lily Auction
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on July 12, 2009, 01:56:22 AM
Guff,

How many seedlings have you had flower now?  Lots I would imagine?  I don't think I'll look at that site.... too many things I'll want and can't have. ;D

I'm going to have to investigate whether the 'Destined to See' is here in Aus.  The more I see your pic, the more I like it.  Probably absolutely horrendously expensive if it is.....  ::)  More likely not here yet, although that greatly depends on how old it is of course.

I wonder how variable it's seedlings would be?  I guess like so many of these highly hybridised things it isn't self compatible.  I'm wondering whether the more solid pink of the 'Bella Serra' will overtake the delicate markings?  Then again, maybe it will impart the other way.  That is the beauty of raising from seed, isn't it.  Good luck, I'm sure you'll end up with some crackers if you're successful. 8)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 12, 2009, 02:14:34 AM
Paul, Destined To See is only about $10 for 1 or 2 fans here. I bet when it was first introduced in 1998, it was in the $150-200+ range. Yes there are some expensive daylilys at the lily auction site, but it's fun to browse anyways.

Summers are short here in New York, it takes me 3+ years to see flowers. Down south seedlings flower in 9 months or so from seed. It's just a hobby for me, so the time factor really doesn't matter. I have scapes on dips seedlings, no flowers have opened yet this year. I should see my first Tet seedlings flower next year, mostly Bella Sera crosses.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on July 12, 2009, 12:18:59 PM
If it is 10 years old then there is a chance it will be out here at least, which is a good thing.  Thanks for the extra info.

Good luck with the seedlings, and please keep us posted on some of your babies.  I for one would love to see them.  8)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 12, 2009, 10:04:34 PM
Lesley,

I must admit that in general I prefer the smaller "miniature" varieties, but I love some of the big showy "round" ones, particularly with good eye zones.  One of my favourite minis is 'Knick Knack', which is a quite small flower but very prolific.  The colour is this intense tangerine.  I have a large type called 'Simply Pretty' which matches it almost perfectly in colour as well.  'Mosel' is a nice mini cream, 'Little Zinger' is a nice mini red.  There's some beauties out there. :D

I'll keep looking then. There are a lot available in NZ. The tangerine sounds very nice. A colour I love.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 14, 2009, 08:41:15 AM
This last weekend I was in Berlin for the annual Hemerocallis Europa meeting.  The following fotos are from the garden of Tomas Tamberg, well known for his cutting edge work with apogon Iris, works with Hemerocallis as well.  His main interest has been with producing garden plants with a 'wild' look.  Essentially improvements on the species with clear pigmentation.  In the last few years he has branched out into creating modern daylilies, particularly with eye zones. 

The four attached eyed seedlings all use Dan Trimmer wonderful 'Dan Mahoney' as a parent.  If you've ever seen this cultivar, you will quickly note it passes on its rounded eye zone, as well as its rich raspberry rose colouring.  For those who wonder where the EZ comes from, it is the result of converting Elizabeth Salter's 'Dragon's Eye' to tetraploid and crossing it into the existing EZ hybrids.  As Dragon's Eye has a but 4" / 11cm flower on a good day, it took a while to get these 6" / 15cm blossoms.

Attached are a few of his seedlings and introductions.

Berlin Multi (dip)
Berlin Multi (dip)
verspertina x altissima SDL
SDL- from Dan Mahoney
SDL- from Dan Mahoney
SDL- from Dan Mahoney
SDL- from Dan Mahoney
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 14, 2009, 02:50:57 PM
Lovely shots, Jamie, looks like you had good weather....the Berlin Multi looks magnificent as a 'stand' of flowers (if that's what one calls it?) the fountain of leaves below the tall striking yellow heads is fabulous.

I am not certain I like the more complex patterns but I do find them interesting and maybe would get a better idea seeing the whole plant?  For me, I suppose it's the shape of the trumpet and edge of petal that is my thing although the anthers of SDL- from Dan Mahoney certainly have a wow factor   :o
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: David Nicholson on July 14, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
I constantly marvel at the skill of people to create flowers like those.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Anthony Darby on July 14, 2009, 11:31:11 PM
I have always been let down by day lilies, but suspect it is picking varieties that don't suit Dunblane? The names are fantastic. I have 'Bark at me' and 'Yabbadabbadoo' among others. No flowers open yet.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 15, 2009, 03:01:55 AM
Jamie, thats last one is very nice.

A few more opened, going to post another picture of Destined To See and Orangutan.

DestinedToSee2.jpg
Orangutan2.jpg
BigSmile.jpg
DruidsChant.jpg
UnknownRedSpider.jpg
UnknownPink.jpg
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on July 15, 2009, 06:35:18 AM
Jamie,

My favourite is the first of the Dan Mahoney seedlings.  Nice shape and markings.

Guff,

I still like the 'Destined to See', but the Druids Chant does have a lovely shape and markings as well.  DTS markings on DC shape would be spectacular!! :o
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 15, 2009, 07:46:46 AM
Paul, I will take another picture of Druid's Chant when another one opens, that first flower isn't it's best.

Well I was worried it might rain and ruin this Polytepal Bella Sera flower before I saw it in the morning. Picture taken at 2:30 am. If it doesn't rain I will take another in daylight.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 15, 2009, 08:17:53 AM
Here are some more tetraploids with patterned EZs and watermarks.

Addis Ababa (Moldovan) tet
Ancient Reflections (Salter) tet
Bird Talk (Lambertson) tet
Blueberry Smash (Scott) tet
Blues Avenue (Morss) tet
Drink The Light (Lambertson) tet
Eyes A Blue (Lambertson) tet
Heaven's Declairing (Morss) tet
Jerry Hyatt (Hanson) tet
Lighter Than Air (Salter) tet
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on July 15, 2009, 01:02:27 PM
Jamie,

I love the combinations of colours in 'Ancient Reflections'.  Quite unusual.  And 'Eyes a Blue' is pretty impressive too.... unlike anything I've come across before.  Very nice.  'Heaven's Declaring' has an interesting eye zone.  I have a purple unnamed one here (bought as mixed plants, so no name) with a similar "ghost" eye-zone as I tend to think of it.  Rather than a colour, it is almost like a pale shadow absence of colour.  Gives a totally different effect, doesn't it.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 15, 2009, 07:39:48 PM
Jamie, you have some nice daylilies.

BellaSera3.jpg
BellaSera4.jpg




Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 19, 2009, 09:40:03 AM
Hier is a collage of the same seedling under different weather conditions.  This year has been very rainy, hot-cold and insect ridden.  Deffinitely one of the worst years to my memory for Hemerocallis.  The lavender to purple tones are strongly effected by temperature, the reds less so.  Although this seedling appears pink, it is actually quite lavender under cooler conditions.  The pink is coming from a carotene pigment, lycopene, combined with the lavender anthocyanins (cyanidin pigment).

Seedling X Lola Branham (diploid)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on August 19, 2009, 10:54:47 PM
Few more

 Always Lovely and pretty butterfly
 Palace Garden Beauty
 Unchartered Waters
 Royal Braid
 Voices In Fog


Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on August 20, 2009, 03:33:52 AM
Guff,

That butterfly is a beauty, as is 'Palace Garden Beauty' (no pun intended).  Love that lavender eye zone and ruffling etc.  Quite subtle colours really, but nice combination.  8)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on August 21, 2009, 12:24:40 AM
Paul, I have 6 pods on Palace Garden Beauty x Bella Sera. I Should get something like this or maybe something even better.
http://www.patrongdns.com/images/Henrietta-McIntyre-opt.jpg

I have been told that the butterfly is Nymphalis antiopa/Mourning Cloak
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on August 21, 2009, 03:02:56 AM
Wow, Guff.  I bet you'd be pleased if you DID get something like that.  I know I would be if in your position.  Great stuff!!  8)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Maggi Young on August 21, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
Thanks for the butterfly ID, Guff.  It is really lovely.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on August 21, 2009, 09:14:48 PM
Paul, I have 6 pods on Palace Garden Beauty x Bella Sera. I Should get something like this or maybe something even better.
http://www.patrongdns.com/images/Henrietta-McIntyre-opt.jpg

I have been told that the butterfly is Nymphalis antiopa/Mourning Cloak

Never say never!  I would expect you will get plants similar, but different.  In any case, an excellent cross to make.  Be sure to send fotos of the seedlings in a couple of years!  Really.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on August 25, 2009, 08:00:52 PM
Jamie, will do. I may grow 10-20 seedlings through the winter to get a jump on the time factor. Also for the first time, I have 3 seed pods on Bella Sera that have kept growing. Two with Palace Garden Beauty and one with Destined To See pollen. It will be interesting comparing seedlings.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on August 25, 2009, 08:36:24 PM
Guff,

I've tried starting seedlings in the Winter to get a jump, but, after comparing with seed sown in the late Winter and Spring, there was no notable advantage.  Actually, most crosses didn't look as good.  They really need light for the first few months and, in Winter, it is simply to little.  I now plant my seed around the end of February, pot on in April-May and the bigger ones get another pot end of August or come in the ground.  I can get flowers in 2-3 years.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Anthony Darby on August 30, 2009, 10:08:24 PM
The 'Mourning Cloak' is a very rare migrant from Europe to the UK. I think the UK is the only northern country in which it doesn't breed.

Here it is called the Camberwell Beauty. Here is what Moses Harris wrote in 'The Aurelian': "This is one of the scarcest flies of any known in England, nor do we know of above three or four that were ever found here, the first two were taken about the middle of August, 1748, in Cool Arbour Lane near Camberwell; the last in St. George's fields, near Newington Butts, the beginning of that month; but as these appeared very much faded and otherwise abused, I conclude they appear from the chrysalis, with the peacock, about the middle of July, and being of that class it is reasonable to suppose that they live thro' the winter in the fly state, and lay eggs in spring that produce flies of this class, and as the common opinion of Aurelians that their caterpillars feed thereon; but their caterpillar and chrysalis, is to us entirely unknown, and the food a mere conjecture."

E.B Ford wrote in 1945: "It is a fact that this prized species, which is in reality an immigrant, was on a number of occasions, and in different years, captured near the village of Camberwell, where it was attracted by willows which grew so abundantly there; and that to this circumstance it owes its best known English name. One of these original Camberwell specimens (from 1793) is perhaps the last memento of "the village" long ago engulfed by the catastrophic growht of modern London."

Specimens probably arrived on imported timber from Scandinavia, having tried to find places to hibernate?

Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on January 31, 2010, 08:25:05 PM
Good info about Mourning Cloak.

I have been growing 5 seeds each (25 plants)from my best crosses through the winter. Pictured are 2 seedlings Bella Sera x Destined To See. Pencil is to show the size of the fans.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on January 31, 2010, 08:44:42 PM
Two seedlings I had flower last summer. I didn't get around to taking pictures for some reason or another of the seedling beds.

 
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 10, 2010, 05:29:33 PM
Starting to see some Bella Sera Seedlings flower this year.
Picures 1 -5 Bella Sera crosses
Pictures 6,7 Destined To See crosses
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on July 16, 2010, 01:31:04 PM
Guff,

Excellent results.  I'd be pleased to grow any of those in my garden here.... I love the edging and the ruffling.  Very, very nice.  I wish I grew Bella Sera to try getting seedlings like that.  Beautiful. 8)  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: TheOnionMan on July 16, 2010, 05:14:27 PM
I'm not a Hemerocallis grower, nor even an ardent fan, although I like my share of these fun and showy summer plants.  I have a friend who is a daylily hybridizer, Mike Huben, and it is fascinating to experience his passion and insight into daylilies and hybridization from his perspective.  I upload one photo showing his front yard, with 2-year old seedlings all in flower, my Subaru in the background.  He grows in a very small yard in an unban setting, but he's able to squeeze in thousands of his own hybrid seedlings yearly (and he discards thousands too).

I include a link to Mike Huben's BlogSport, starting at his 2010 introduction H. 'From Darkness Comes Light', I believe it to be a breakthrough holistic daylily hybridizing.  One of my frequent rants is that daylily hybridizers are not paying attention to breeding for good foliage; in most daylilies, I see foliage that is unattractive, sometimes grossly so, particular after flowering when the plant goes into a quasi-dormancy state.  Mike has been breeding with certain characteristics ignored by other breeders, his new introduction named 'From Darkness Comes Light' showcases two of those special qualities; very dark stems (near black early on, but lightening up somewhat as the buds/flowers mature), and really attractive vase-shaped growth with slender arching foliage, making a garden worthy plant on foliage alone.  His other breeding goals come into play too; high bud count, rebloomers, smaller but elegant light-color flowers, etc.
http://hubendaylilies.blogspot.com/2009/12/from-darkness-comes-light-huben-10.html

Some of Mike Huben's daylily introductions at Harmon Hill Farm in Hudson, New Hampshire, USA, a short 20-minute drive from my house... acres of daylilies.
http://harmonhillfarm.com/mikehuben.htm

I recently went on a field trip with Mike to another daylily breeders garden (sorry, but I have lost that person's name) in Bedford, Massachusetts.  This is a full acre lot, filled to the brim with innumerable daylilies, mostly his own hybrids, and mostly of the giant-flowered, carnival-colored, exuberant types.  But he has been breeding for green centered flowers, and to that end, he has bred one of the greenest daylily flowers I've ever seen (it is not introduced yet)... ugly lanky habit and ugly course foliage, but dang if that isn't the greenest daylily.  Lots of his hybrids had these bold green centers to the flowers.  This person also had a strongly white-variegated foliage daylily, also not named, but would have potential for breeding.  I upload two images, not good ones, as the plant was crammed in amongst lots of other daylilies, but you'll get the idea.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Tony Willis on July 16, 2010, 07:26:27 PM
to introduce a bit of misery following these wonderful pictures,about three years ago we noticed distorted flower buds and now have gall midge rampaging through our small collection. We are having to reluctantly give up on them as there seems no cure. Spraying with provado has not worked. Any ideas for a cure would be welcome
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 16, 2010, 08:11:38 PM
Tony,

there is no cure, so to speak, rather prevention.  As soon as you notice the slight distorted swelling in the bud, remove and destroy it.  The maggot has a 11-14 day life cycle in the bud and then falls to the ground to pupate and hatch out the following spring.  There is but one cycle per year.  Spraying with a systemic as the scapes first emerge is a possible preventative, but, as the females lay eggs in the developing buds, I'm not sure how quickly the poison will enter the egg/maggot.

I pick the buds off every year.  I have thousands of Hems and it is a considerable amount of work, but it does help.  Unfortunately, one cannot convince neighbours to do the same with their wild clumps of H. fulva, which is a favourite host for these wretched pests.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 18, 2010, 05:32:12 AM
Paul, thanks. Next summer I should see lots of my Bella Sera seedlings flower.

Some named daylilies
1 Happy Halloween
2 Border Lord
3 Bella Sera
4 Arabian Magic
5 Nice purple seedling
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 18, 2010, 08:43:42 AM
Few more

 Always Lovely and pretty butterfly
 Palace Garden Beauty
 Unchartered Waters
 Royal Braid
 Voices In Fog

Guff, I'm interested that your Hemerocallis attract butterflies, I have never seen one on the flowers but I suppose that because the flower is not as flat as your hybrids...I wonder which of you different colour combinations is most appealing to them?  I have seen plenty of hover flies feeding - in their natural habitat do Hummingbirds feed from them?

Normally drawn to the stronger colours, I really like some of the paler combinations and Royal Braid is one of them - do the lighter ones fade quicker during the day?
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on July 18, 2010, 09:42:44 AM
Happy Halloween and Border Lord are absolutely gorgeous!!!!!  :o :o  I want!!  ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 18, 2010, 03:32:36 PM
Purples and dark reds fade the most. If you grow them in a shaded spot, they hold up well. Some really look bad by mid afternoon in full sun. Every once in a while I see Butterflies on them. No clue what colors they like or what attracts them.

I bought Happy Halloween three summers ago, and this was it's first time flowering. The scape is short, but the colors make up for it.

1 Royal Braid
2 Destined seedling
3 Destined seedling
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Paul T on July 19, 2010, 12:23:05 PM
Interesting eye zones.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 19, 2010, 02:08:25 PM
Nice stuff, Guss!  We've had a really hot Summer and many plants became infected with thrips, which seem to love the dry heat.  None the less, a few good seedlings have bloomed.  I used the species Hemerocallis fulva var. rosea a great deal two years ago.  Here are some of the first seedlings.  Most are unspectacular, but the colouring can be quite intense.

Here are some diploids.

Bronze Age
Buddha x SDL
fulva rosea X SDL
fulva rose X SDL
fulva rosea X SDL
Holly Dancer X Mamacuna
Holly Dancer X Mamacuna
Puzzling Prize x Skinwalker X All American Windmill
Revolute X Fairy Wings x Milady Greensleeves
Siloam Fairy Tale x Lacy Marionette X All American Windmill
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 19, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
And a few more diploids.  These are of unknown parentage, but one can always maje an educated guess.  ;D

UNKD912_10-02-kl.jpg
UNKD_10-01-01-kl.jpg
UNKD_10-08-01-kl.jpg
UNKD_10-09-01-kl.jpg
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 19, 2010, 02:25:56 PM
And now for the real work area, the tetraploids.  One makes much smaller improvements in this area, but the fun stuff is always the most time consuming.

The first three are from Bali Watercolor X Swallowtail Kite.  I've sent 3 to give an idea of the variability lavenders show, depending on temeperature.  Cooler evenings bring intense colouring.

The next two are Cherry Cheeks X Viking Star

Then we have Citralt X Baracuda Bay

The next three are Forever Island X Skinny Dipping

The last is Julie Newmar X On Silken Thread
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 19, 2010, 02:37:44 PM
and a few more tetraploids

ManorBornxGalaxyRose-10-01-06-kl.jpg
KamavedaxSDL-10-03-02-kl.jpg
MildredMitchellxOddsandEnds_10-02-kl.jpg
MMxSGF08-01_10-02-kl.jpg
RoaringForkxSwallowtailKite-10-01-03-kl.jpg
SilentSentryxUNK_10-01-01-kl.jpg
TaosxEveningSolitude_10-03-kl.jpg
UNK05-39_10-03-kl.jpg
UNKT10-03-02-kl.jpg
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 19, 2010, 08:20:51 PM
Jamie, very nice. I like ones with purple or blue's the most. I like you Mildred seedling, very nice. I have had Mildred for 5 years and have yet to see a flower. I'm thinking mines a tissue cultured.

This is the same Destined seedling from my last post. Spots are rain damage.
1 Destined seedling
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 19, 2010, 10:15:39 PM
I don't grow any Hemerocallis but of all those above, I like best the rather spidery forms rather than the fuller ones with overlapping petals.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Ragged Robin on July 20, 2010, 08:28:05 AM
My favourite so far is Jamie's Buddha x SDL - sumptuous :)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 29, 2010, 12:19:20 AM
Last two pictures of my Destined seedlings for this year.

1-2 Destined To See seedling


Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 29, 2010, 12:29:18 AM
Better picture of Bella Sera
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Arykana on May 15, 2011, 06:18:33 PM
my hearth has been brokenT Regelian and Guff did!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/th_ss.jpg) (http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/?action=view&current=ss.jpg)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on May 16, 2011, 08:27:34 PM
Arykana, a new season can give a new heartbeat. Did you show us H. middendorfii?
The show time  of hemerocallis will begin in July here.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Arykana on May 17, 2011, 06:46:24 AM
I have no idea about the name - I have got from an old lady, she even did not know it is hemocarlis

yes, the season is starting in July, but this always start in May
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on June 12, 2011, 07:45:28 PM
1-2 Bluegrass Music
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Arykana on June 13, 2011, 04:37:14 PM
It is a new heartbeat? NO! It is a new heartbreak for me  :o
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Hagen Engelmann on June 13, 2011, 08:06:51 PM
Flowering now and very early REINSTROTER from Tomas Tamberg, Berlin. A first class hemerocallis made in germany.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Lvandelft on June 14, 2011, 06:57:51 AM
Well chosen name, Hagen, but not for the trade I think  ??? I'm afraid most readers of this Forum will have problems pronouncing it  ;)
It is indeed one of the clearest reds :D And so early!
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Arykana on June 14, 2011, 12:06:43 PM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/rzsaszn.jpg)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on June 14, 2011, 08:55:31 PM
Here are a few Hems that have started to bloom in the last week A few are seedling, while others are registered cvs.

AExSDL1-kl.jpg
GiltTrip-sister1-kl.jpg
MidlifeSprotscar1-kl.jpg
PPxSkinXAAM1-kl.jpg
RosesInSnow1-kl.jpg
SwallowtailKite-sdl1-kl.jpg
TOLxPJ1-kl.jpg
WebstersPinkWonder1-kl.jpg
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on June 15, 2011, 10:27:44 PM
Here are a few more from rainy today. The first three are diploids, the rest are tetraploids.

BuddhaxUNK-11-01-01-kl.jpg
GWxUNK-11-01-01-kl.jpg
LxSDLXLochNessMonster-11-01-01-kl.jpg
CTxUNK-11-01-01-kl.jpg
GalaxyRosexUNK-11-01-02-kl.jpg
WOHxUNK-11-02-01-kl.jpg
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on June 19, 2011, 03:06:02 PM
A few more seedlings.  All are diploid

COHxAF-11-09-01-1(CanopyOfHeavenXAztecFirebird)-kl.jpg
GWsdlxsdl11-02-03-kl.jpg
GWxUNK-11-02-01-kl.jpg
RevolutexR5-63-10-01_11-01-kl.jpg
PPxSkinXAAW10-01_11-01-kl.jpg
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on June 19, 2011, 03:12:50 PM
And a few tetraploids.

GalaxyRosexJH-11-01-05kl.jpg
ManorBorn XPhotonTorpedo-kl.jpg
POHxSM(PointofHonorxSilentMelody)11-01-01-kkl.jpg
SRB-01XSDL-11-01-02-kl.jpg
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on June 30, 2011, 01:43:05 AM
Do you like midribs Jamie?

1-3 Linda Beck
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Arykana on June 30, 2011, 06:41:50 AM
Linda is a beauty

How hard to make this seedlings? I have seeds - so maybe I should try
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Arykana on July 02, 2011, 09:57:09 AM
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/Garden%20tour%202011/ssi-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 30, 2011, 12:57:09 AM
1-7 Seedlings
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on July 30, 2011, 01:00:25 AM
1-7 Seedlings
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Regelian on July 30, 2011, 11:38:46 AM
Guff,

I particularly like #5.  Simple with fine details.  The ruffles on the petals is very nive and you can see a hint of blue edging.  maybe a cross to #2 would bring something interesting?  The more I work with Hemerocallis, the more I tend to line breeding.  I started with many rather wide crosses in an attempt to create stock that thrived in the northern European climate.  Now I am line breeding to get finer flowers on the hardy plants I've selected.  The boggest challenge is to find aprents that handle our much lower light levels.  Daylilies are true children of the sun.
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on August 02, 2011, 03:25:28 PM
Thanks, I like number 5 alot also.

Some named daylilies.

1-2 Tet Lavender Blue Baby
3-4 Hologram
5 Palace Garden Beauty
6 Forestlake Ragamuffin
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: fleurbleue on August 02, 2011, 05:46:36 PM
Tet Lavender Blue Baby is very amazing with its blue details  ;)
Title: Re: Hemerocallis
Post by: Guff on October 02, 2013, 02:41:55 AM
Bella Sera seedling 1-4
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