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Title: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Maggi Young on March 20, 2009, 08:15:07 PM
Hello, I have been asked about seed of Cichorium spinosum
 by a French gardener who is seeking seed of this plant.

Can anyone help, please?
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Rodger Whitlock on March 21, 2009, 04:56:59 PM
It's listed as a plant (not seed) by Wrightman Alpines in Ontario:

http://www.wrightmanalpines.com/

Not that this helps our French seeker, but at least he can now take comfort in the knowledge that the plant is in cultivation.

Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Sinchets on March 21, 2009, 07:00:03 PM
I've seen it growing on dunes in the south of Greece- maybe a holiday there would be cheaper than getting the plant from Canada.
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 21, 2009, 09:25:24 PM
I had this for many years and it is still grown in NZ though not by me. I think I may have had it originally from Potterton and Martin as it was then. It never set seed and I've never seen seed listed. Easy from cuttings though.
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Sinchets on March 21, 2009, 09:34:49 PM
Did you rate it as a garden plant Lesley? It never struck me as of much interest when you see it on the dunes- not compared to some of the other plants Greece has to offer. I grew Lactuca intricata for a while for botanical interest, it flowered with peelywally little flowers and died- i wasn't too upset.
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 21, 2009, 10:03:52 PM
I rated it very highly and will try it again as soon as I find someone with a plant. I saw it in a garden I'd not visited before, about 18 months ago so I know it's around. It loves hot and dry and was easy as pie, flowering freely, a lovely clean blue. The only drawback was that the dead (flowered) branches needed to be clipped out to make it look tidy afterwards and while the spines are soft, it was still a prickly job. If you have a chance, do try it.
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Sinchets on March 22, 2009, 08:31:19 AM
We are hoping to be in Greece in a few weeks- so I will take your recommendation and try to find a plant with seeds to share around.
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Carlo on March 23, 2009, 12:48:30 PM
I've had seed from the exchanges...
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Rodger Whitlock on March 24, 2009, 02:52:32 AM
I've had seed from the exchanges...

Don't tantalize us like that, man! Did it germinate?

Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 24, 2009, 03:38:42 AM
Well?
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Carlo on March 24, 2009, 11:14:58 AM
yes...a few germinated...but I wasn't able to get the plants out of their seed pots.
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 24, 2009, 07:29:30 PM
Do you mean that they grew very quickly and became root/pot bound? ???
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Carlo on March 24, 2009, 07:39:05 PM
No Lesley, more unfortunate than that...

They didn't get enough attention amongst all the other seedling plants and weren't tended as I would have liked. Like our native Cichorium, I assume they are fairly tough plants, though coming from different conditions. I'll definitely try them again. Now I've got a bed that should suit it--in with the cacti and succulents.

I'm beginning to get the idea that it's given people trouble--and is relatively unavailable?
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 24, 2009, 08:53:56 PM
Well it never gave me any trouble. I lost mine when I moved and took only some cuttings which didn't get bedded in, what with so much else to do. Entirely my fault.

Yes it likes a warm and very sunny place but when it has new, very green growth, it doesn't like to be parched. Your cactus and succulent place could be TOO dry.
Title: Re: Cichorium spinosum
Post by: Carlo on March 24, 2009, 09:27:09 PM
Well that makes two of us that neglected them into submission. I think we must both try again.

As for the cactus and succulent bed, here it is a challenge to keep them dry--I think it would be just fine.
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