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Specific Families and Genera => Primula => Topic started by: Giles on March 05, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
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Primula irregularis.
(depressingly too like a vulgaris sibthorpii)
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That's harsh, Giles! Not when you notice the farina and leaves, it isn't! :D
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Well, if you kicking it out Giles.................... ;D
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I've a pin and a thrum plant, and have cross-pollinated them - so may be able to offer some seed on the forum later in the year, David.
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Very harsh Giles,in a league of its own but beauty they say is in the eye of the beholder.
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Harsh, I agree. Besides, while not one of the great alpine gems, P. v. sibthorpii is a very fine plant, easy, generous with its flowers and a great companion for PP. 'Wanda' and 'Jill,' the three purple shades making a beautiful tapestry when snuggling up to each other.
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Primula hyb.from Allionii avalanche seed.
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A view to my Primulas which are under the avalance. They look very well.
And a view above the Primulas
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Crumbs, that came very close to your house. Is your garden underneath that?
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Primula hyb.from Allionii avalanche seed.
Very pretty Michael, well worth growing that one.
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Most of my Primulas are covered with multi-wall sheets (correct word ??) to protect them from wetness. The avalanche came over this construction but did not destroy it. So I can look under the sheets. The brown snow with earth, stones and wood were over the sheets.
The last days we have removed some avalanche snow from the garden and the entrance (stairs, doors, windows, house wall,..). So the spring can come although it is snowing and snowing again!
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Giles,How can you compare the two?
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Dear John,
Your P.irregularis looks alot finer/more refined than mine.
I've got 2 plants - a pin and a thrum - which are very different in flower colour.
I'll post some pictures of them when they look reasonable.
I was going to post some progress pictures of my 'Tantallon', but having seen the plants of 'Tantallon' you put on the show bench at Loughborough
last weekend, I think it best to hide!!
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Primula Harlow Carr x marginata "Inshriach".
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Lovely
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Nice Primulas
In the botanical garden of Ajuda Lisbon, Portugal I saw some primulas and was about to tell my son that these are the same as the Swedish ones (Primula veris) but looking at the tag told me differently. I can see some difference but would never have imagined it to come from so far away.
It is Primula reticulata and is from Nepal as seen from the tag.
I add the tag and also the fact that it was a lot of plants so it should not be a stray plant that ended up there some how.
They might be wrong so please let me know if it is wrong.
All the best
Joakim
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Primula Tinney's Moonlight x edgeworthii, a cross I made many years ago. Both original parents died soon after but this is vigorous & is in the open garden. (Slugs love to eat the flowers.)
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It looks very like P. veris to me Joakim. I think P. reticulata is from a different section, same as PP. sikkimensis and florindae. The flower is yellow and bell-shaped but the stem should be from 20 to 45cms tall and the leaves up to 30 cms long.
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I just thought that the flowers were a bit short but I presume they will be longer as they open.
So my hunches are correct :)
Pitty that that means that the garden is wrong :-\
The garden is very nice and these were the only two miss namings I saw.
Kind regards
Joakim
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I think these will be the last of the P.allionii pics.
Crystal opens white and goes pink. Mary Berry I found sets seed and I think all my seedlings were from that.
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Not as spectacular as those beautiful allionii but small and still nice
Primula hirsuta
Primula kialensis
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A few more to keep you going. Please excuse the dirty pots and poor background. I've got my better half working on a backboard as I write.
Primula Alexine
Primula Anna Griffith
Primula Broadwell Milkmaid
Primula Broadwell Ruby
and finally Primula Edinburgh
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Lovely pix all, thank you!
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Nice to see that the Primula season has really arrived at last. I note from my picture files that I posted one of my P. allionii 'Crowsley Variety' on the 18 February last year but this year I may be lucky by the end of this week.
Lovely little P. kialensis Tony, is it easy to please?
Nice selection Martin I hadn't seen P. 'Alexine' before. I really must get a 'Broadwell Milkmaid' this year. Martin, if your pots are dirty you should see mine! In fact when I do take some pictures of my stuff I shall be careful to crop all the pots out of the pictures otherwisw Maggi will only shout at me again.
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Lovely little P. kialensis Tony, is it easy to please?
David it must be if I am growing it! I got them as seedlings from Dieter Zschummel when we visited him last summer.it just sat there all winter as a tiny golden dormant bud.It is less than an inch high.
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Some more primulas:
1. P.atrodentata (about 2cm tall) - to give you a sense of scale, it's in the middle of a 3" pot - it's tiny.
2. P.warshenewskiana just coming through.
3. P.allionii 'Elizabeth Baker'
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4...it thinks it's 'Napoleon' ;D
5. P.hoffmaniana
6. The last of 'Tantallon'
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Very nice indeed Giles.
Here are the first of my Primulas this year:-
Primula 'Helen Evans'
Primula allionii 'Mary Berry'. Dropped when I was re-potting last year hence the dirty leaf.
Primula x allionii 'Clarence Elliott'. A Joe Elliott 1982 cross from Primula allionii and the then 'White Linda Pope'
Primula 'Lindum Moonlight'
Primula x allionii 'Wharfedale Superb'
Primula x allionii 'Beatrice Wooster'. A cross made in 1947 by K R Wooster Primula allionii and 'Linda Pope'
Primula allionii 'Adrian Jones'
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Dear David,
'Adrian Jones' is the one I like the best.
Where do you get your 'allionii's' from?
I got mine from Field House Nursery last year, and am overjoyed that they put on such a show.
.......I feel a spending spree coming on.....
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Giles, 'Mary Berry' and 'Adrian Jones' came from Peninsula Primulas. Some of the others may have come from Susan Tindall at Timpany Nursery-I can't check which because her Web Site domain looks as though it has been given up-anyone know what is happening there?
Others I have probably picked up at NAPS Shows.
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Thankyou, David.
.....now have to master how to fill a 12" pan full of the them!..
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Wow David, looking at the healthy leaves and good formed flowers,
I can only say: you are learning fast! ;D ;D 8)
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Good show David and Giles - a late but very good Primula season by the looks of it ! :D
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Luit, I keep trying, some times I win, some times I loose. I had hoped to have something worth entering in the AGS South West Show in Exeter on 28 March but the allionii types will be past their best by then and it looks as though my marginatas will be later this year.
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I wish you would all stop showing these P. allionii forms. They bring on terrible feelings of unrequited love and hopeless envy, not at all good for my health. We don't have them and can't get them. :'(
But I LOVE P. atrodentata and it just happens that I have recently sown some seed of that :) from a kindly UK gentleman.
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Primula vulgaris (ssp sibthorpii?) flowering in beech woods in the Strandja area of SE Bulgaria.
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I like your primula, Simon. Nice big flowers! My sibthorpii is pale and small by comparison.
My offerings for today:
P. elatior meyeri
P. knuthiana
P. x miniera
P. scapigera (it only had 1 flower!)
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Thanks Giles- they are just growing out in the woods and there are lots of different shades and flower sizes.
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Two more of mine:-
Primula allionii x 'Broadwell Oliver' and,
Primula marginata 'Sheila Denby' my first marginata to flower this season.
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A few Primulas in bloom now.
Primula Joan Hughes.
Primula Rhenaniana.
Primula Pink aire
Some Hyb seedlings.
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One more.
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Lovely Michael, I particularly like your Hybrid 7 with the very dark pink lacing on the petals.
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I'd vote for No. 2 ( a thrum) and no 6 (a pin) and have more lovely babies! ;D
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I'd vote for No. 2 ( a thrum) and no 6 (a pin) and have more lovely babies!
Maggi,I would love to do that but I don't have room for any more babies.
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I'd vote for No. 2 ( a thrum) and no 6 (a pin) and have more lovely babies!
Maggi,I would love to do that but I don't have room for any more babies.
Given the number of plants you have, Michael, I can certainly believe that space is at a premium at your place!
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Some of the others may have come from Susan Tindall at Timpany Nursery-I can't check which because her Web Site domain looks as though it has been given up-anyone know what is happening there?
Susan's web address is now http://www.timpanynurseries.com/ ...you may have been trying the old one?
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Thanks for that Maggi. I don't know what happened but the Link I had saved to my Favourites came up with 'this domain is now available'-or words to that effect. I've just checked it again and it works fine now!!
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A few more Primulas from the greenhouse today:-
Primula allionii 'Archer'
Primula marginata 'Barbara Clough'- named I'm told for the wife of the late Brian Clough, football manager of some renown (Derby County, Nottingham Forest, Hartlepool United, Brighton, and very briefly Leeds United) and father of Nigel Clough who has the misfortune to currently manage Derby County.
One I am really rather proud of, and by the way, the flower is a much darker, velvety blue, than my camera is capable of showing. The original plant was grown from seed, given to me as Primula marginata seed in 2005 and sown that year and the plant shown is an offset from the original. I still have the original plant which at present I am keeping in a shady part of the greenhouse in the hope that it might be in a reasonable state to Show next Saturday. I'm not sure if there is a 'naming convention' for Primulas but I have given it a 'pet' name of 'Kirstie Anne' for my daughter.
Primula marginata 'Caerulea', one of my favourite marginatas.
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So many beauties. They brighten my early autumn morning, on which it is heavily drizzling. But I have 2 new catalogues to go through today. Some comfort, after a thrashing by India's fine cricketers yesterday.
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A weird petiolarid.
Primula sinuata.
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Weird?
Very pretty colour and wide white throat.
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Great plants everyone. Here is something flowering in the garden today
P Wharfedale Village
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flowering this morning - Primula 'Gigha'.
Sue
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Another batch of Primulas from the greenhouse today:-
The first one is a little Primula pubescens I've grown from seed sown in December 2007 and flowering for the first time. For my records it is Seedling No. 3. Very pretty I think, and well worth persevering with.
Primula pubescens 'Mrs JH Wilson'
Primula x allionii 'Wharfedale Ling'
Primula marginata 'Fred Salter'
Primula 'Lindum Heavenly'
Primula marginata 'Kesslering's Variety'
Primula marginata 'Dwarf Form'
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P. marginata 'Fred Salter' is a nice deep shade, David. Not one I know.
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David, no. 3 nice seedling.
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I'm with Maggi on this......'Fred Salter'
- something delicate and airy about it.
(and I think it is time to take down the 'more enthusiasm than skill' banner!!)
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Maggi, Primula marginata 'Fred Salter' , as far as I remember was from Susan Tindall at Timpany Nurseries http://www.timpanynurseries.com/ Susan has a cracking selection of Primulas.
Thanks Michael.
Giles, so much to learn, so much to grow, so little time left to do it all well!! ;D
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Flowering now, Primula 'Clarence Elliot'
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Flowering now, Primula 'Clarence Elliot'
Roma, your Clarence E is a beauty!
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A very well grown P 'Clarence Elliott' Roma, I never seem to be able to get the 'all over flower' look :(
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A small Primula that is flowering in my garden now:
Primula hirsuta ssp. valcuvianensis
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Very pretty Wim.
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P. marginata 'Fred Salter' is a nice deep shade, David. Not one I know.
David, how does the colour compare with P. marginata Beamish - which is a darkish one I grow?
Sue
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P. marginata 'Fred Salter' is a nice deep shade, David. Not one I know.
David, how does the colour compare with P. marginata Beamish - which is a darkish one I grow?
Sue
Difficult to say Sue. My P. m Beamish hasn't flowered yet so can't really compare. I found a pic of Beamish on last years AGS Online Show and I feel that is a little bit lighter than Fred Salter. I'll come back to you on this one.
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A very well grown P 'Clarence Elliott' Roma, I never seem to be able to get the 'all over flower' look :(
Pure luck, David. I've only had 'Clarence for two years but looks promising so far. I keep buying possible show plants but they rarely perform well enough for me. If the vine weevils, aphids or red spider don't get them they go all straggly and rarely flower all over.
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Primula marginata - grown from cuttings (Italy)
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/these pix from Hans show very clearly why Primula marginata in all its forms is such a firm favourite of ours..... just a delightful plant, especially in these deep shades. 8)
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Another one that is flowering today:
Primula 'Aire waves'
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Primula sonchifolia
(yeah, yeah, yeah...I know it's small!!)
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..... but perfectly formed, Giles.
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P. marginata 'Fred Salter' is a nice deep shade, David. Not one I know.
David, how does the colour compare with P. marginata Beamish - which is a darkish one I grow?
Sue
Hi Sue, my P m Fred Salter got me a winning card at Exeter (have I said that before somewhere!!) and in a class alongside it was a plant of Beamish. The flowers on Beamish are probably larger than on Fred Salter and are more lobed and notched. They are also a little darker I think.
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More Primulas from the greenhouse today.
The first is another of my Primula x pubescens I have grown from seed, this time No. 1 for my records. It's not a bad littleplant but I had to stake the flower stem to keep it upright. I'll see if it does the same next year.
The next three are all P. marginatas:-
Primula marginata 'Beverley Reid'
Primula marginata 'Beatrice Lascaris'
Primula marginata 'Casterino' This has grown from a small rooted offset from Gerd in exchange for one of mine. I think it has a very good form and I look forward to seeing it next year provided I don't kill it during the summer!
The next two are both Primula allionii forms:-
Primula allionii 'Sapphire' one I bought last year and again one on which I have hopes for the future.
Primula allionii 'Nightingale' which has been disappointing this year-maybe it didn't get enough light.
The final one is Primula 'Blindsee' again bought last year but I haven't been able to find anything about it's history.
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Very nice Primulas, David!
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Thank you Wim.
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There was a nice blue x pruhoniciana? Primula, shown at the Weekly Lisse Flower Show yesterday.
Is there someone who can tell me about, from where it originates? Parentage etc.if possible?
Primula Hall Barn Blue
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Luit, I have replied on the Lisse thread but will write the same here. There is a Hall Barn and gardens in Norwich, Norfolk. brian Ellis or Tony Goode may be able to tell us more.
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David and Luit, I do not know, but it is an old variety and I think it may have something to do with Hall Barn in Buckinghamshire - a Grade 2* historic garden. I could well be wrong :-\
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David and Brian, thank you for your comments.
I thought it being a new cultivar. It is such a special blue color!
Maybe we will hear more about it.
There are only a few nurseries who are offering it, I found out.
When I saw the plant yesterday I had the feeling it is a bit of a
different cross, as the other forms of P. x pruhoniciana. Therefore
my question.
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A small Primula that is flowering in my garden now:
Primula hirsuta ssp. valcuvianensis
Wim, can you tell me more please about this ssp. I can find no mention of it in John Richard's 'Primula'?
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David,
it is sometimes spelled Primula hirsuta ssp. valcuvariensis (I don't know which one is the correct name). It's the same as Primula hirsuta with the only difference being that it is very lime-tolerant, it even grows in a block of tufa in my garden. I got mine from Reuvenkamp nursery in the Netherlands last year.
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Many thanks for that Wim.
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Dear David,
It's from Northern Italy, (Varese region). Grows on Dolomitic limestone. Flowers near sessile. Wavy edged leaves.
I think I remember an article in the SRGC journal by the Taylors on 'new' primulas (grignensis;recubariensis; villosa infecta etc) but can't find it yet !
Do you have the CD with all the SRGC archive on?
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Yes Giles, I have the CD.
edit : For some time now, all SRGC journal - The Rock Garden - except the few most recent ones - have been freely available to download on the SRGC website - http://www.srgc.net/site/index.php/extensions/journal (http://www.srgc.net/site/index.php/extensions/journal)
An index is also available from that page.
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try this link it gives the original description with photographs in the wild
http://www.arktisch-alpiner-garten.de/Bilder/3-22-012-P_h_valcuvianensis.pdf
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..... but perfectly formed, Giles.
and alive! and doing well. 8)
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..... :) :) :)