Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Primula => Topic started by: Giles on February 16, 2009, 10:11:52 AM
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Primula moupinensis,(with a bit more flower now).
Primula nana.
(and yes, still snow on the ground here after 2 weeks).
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A lovely chrystalline background Giles. :)
I potted up 30 P. wollastonii yesterday, some pots with two smaller seedlings in, so about 40 altogether. They are definitely looking like the real thing now, like seedlings of P. reidii but a bit bigger. I can't thank you enough.
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Lovely healthy plants Giles, you've certainly got the 'touch' with Section Petiolares.
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While doing the Heps.I couldn't resist these for the foliage alone.It is almost as good as the flowers.
P.aureata
P.gracilipes
P.moupinense
P.X TANTALLON
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What a treat to see those primulas with all that farina.... aren't they smart?
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Wonderful stuff John !!! :o
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Dear John,
I see I have competition!!! ....and your aureata look alot better than mine do!
I fear I may preciptate WW3 here, but I've got a couple of P.sonchifolia plants spare if anyone wants them.
I could bring them to an AGS show, or post within the UK, they are still reasonably dormant so should travel well.
ps. great news about the primulas, Lesley!
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Superb plants John. What a treat for us to see them. Thank you. :)
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Great looking plants. I wish I could keep them alive :'(
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John, how do you do it? All my attempts to grow asiatics of this part of the Primula family are lucky to last a few weeks. I've always fooled myself that the climate in the East Midlands is too warm and dry. Tell all!
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I too have struggled for years with only temporary success with Netta Dennis but it only lasted for two seasons before they all succumbed to my mismanagement.I even installed a North facing shaded area a'la John Dennis and whereas John applied mist on a timer I went one better and installed a humidifier but to no avail.However,I couldn't resist these wonderful plants and continued to persevere and this time last year I sowed some 3yr.old seed from the fridge more in hope than expectation and it germinated like mustard and cress.From experience the next stage was the tricky part so I tried something different.I pricked out into some old polystyrene cells that I had into a peat based compost(my own mix)and placed on capillary matting in the alpine house and they never looked back and after potting I again kept them on capillary matting.In fact they have been kept on capillary matting and under glass since sowing.I am now keeping my fingers crossed that I have found the secret but only time will tell.In addition to the posted pictures I have also raised a
batch of 40 Bhutanica but hve had less success with irregularis.I now grow many alpines on capillary matting and they seem to thrive.Don't give up and good luck in your endeavours.
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Thanks John. Time to try again :)
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Quoting Maggi : "There's always a clue"
Thanks John ! Very informative !
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Dear John,
Your efforts make me something of a fraud by comparison.
I just stand my pots in a propagator (large seed tray with a plastic lid) at the foot of a north facing wall which receives no sun at all.
Maybe I've just been lucky so far!
Giles
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John and Giles beautiful plants,never mind feeling a fraud Giles,having lived in Nottingham for fourteen years ,and having killed numerous petiolarids and saying these things were ungrowable there, I just feel humiliated. They are beautiful
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Giles,
If it works and it obviously does,don't change it.
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I think my 'Tantallon' is a few days ahead of yours. However hard I try, everything gets coated with the farina.
Really weird to see, when I was last at Dunbar, signs saying 'Tantallon' 3 miles!!
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Tantallon Castle is a fine place..... could do with some renovations and mod cons, though :D ;D
Primula 'Tantallon' was named by Margaret and Henry Taylor, whose house name is 'Tantallon' .... it has mod cons!!
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I had realised they are collectors and growers of fine plants, but hadn't realised the Scots had named a castle after their house ;D ;D ;D
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Giles,
do you keep your Primulas (Tantallon,...) very dry in winter and frost-free? I always have problems when they start to grow and then we get cold weather again.
My sleeping Primula clusiana.
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Hi Hans,
I keep them dry (not watered since October), but not frost free.
All my primulas are outside (but with lids over them to keep the wet off).
The lowest we had was -15C, and we had one week where the temperature didn't go above -3C.
Though it looks cute now, it is actually riddled with virus - this is only evident later in the year when the farina has worn off the leaves.
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..and another..
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Obvious to me now that what I had as 'Tantallon' from Ardfearn in 1993, wasn't. It had no farina and the flowers were pink, pretty much like x Scapeosa.
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I've got a spare one, if you would like it.
I guess sending it when it's dormant would be best -
but are you allowed to have it?
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I've got a spare one, if you would like it.
I guess sending it when it's dormant would be best -
but are you allowed to have it?
Are you talking to me Giles? What a dear, dear man you are, but NO I wouldn't be allowed to have it, not without several thousands of dollars worth of red tape anyway. A lovely thought however. Thank you very much.
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I don't know if it's just a case of being a poor clone, but I think this one's heading for the compost heap >:(
P.bracteosa.....
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Does anybody know this white Primula (Gardasee) and a wonderful marginata (Italy)
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Hans,
the white primula is P. daonensis.
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I don't know if it's just a case of being a poor clone, but I think this one's heading for the compost heap >:(
P.bracteosa.....
Giles, you are a harsh fellow, the compost heap is a step too far, I think...... a neighbour's garden, perhaps?? :D
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Ooooh no....
.....its the snails that go over the fence into nextdoors garden ;D ;D(and you think I'm joking?)
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Ooooh no....
.....its the snails that go over the fence into nextdoors garden ;D ;D(and you think I'm joking?)
In my experience, it's a pity that the worst thing that goes over some fences is a snail :o ::) :P
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Evil Weevils ?? 8) 8) 8)
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Evil Weevils ?? 8) 8) 8)
You got that in one! ;D
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Franz, is P. daonensis always white? I ask because what I have under that name is a deep pink. It was seed from Vlastimil Pilous (whom I believe has been in trouble lately, Turkish seed. ???) The foliage looks right on mine (like the pic above but tighter on my outdoor plants).
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Ooooh no....
.....its the snails that go over the fence into nextdoors garden ;D ;D(and you think I'm joking?)
I just saw this and was totally unprepared, I had just taken a sip of wine, you can imagine the rest!! ::)
Still laughing whilst mopping!!
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Lesley, this is only a rare white daonensis.
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Lesley, I saw thousand pink P. daonensis, but never a white one. :(
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Thank you gentlemen. Mine's OK then. :)
A fabulous parcel of seed arrived for me yesterday, 20 primulas, some very special indeed. 8)
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Here´s another P. daonensis ´Alba´. It showed up as a seedling in a batch with wild collected Saponaria pumilio....
The second picture is an unknown albino, also wild-collected. Does somebody know what this is? Hirsuta ´Alba´??
edit by Maggi: Martijn, I have edited your photos to a smaller size to let us see them more easily.
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What a lucky "extra" Martijn. :) On my garden-collected Saponaria pumilio I get seedlings which are hybrids with other Saponaria species, but no white primulas. ;D
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Growing Saponaria pumilio and raising hybrids from it, is realy an achievement! Are they good hybrids like Saponaria ´Olivana´?
By the way, thank you Maggi, for adjusting the size, I am not very good with this... :-\
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Martijn,
I think it is a white flowering Primula hirsuta.
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Looking at the structure of the hairs on the leaves would be a good way to know for sure.
(cell number/gland structure).
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Martijn, I have a "thing" about Saponaria. I think the genus is badly under-rated and ignored by many people.
I have two very good hybrids, one from 'Olivana' itself, crossed with the small, 'Rubra Compacta' form of ocymoides. I have called it 'Gala Day' after my small nursery (Gala Plants, reflecting my Borders Scottish heritage.) A pic below, and one which is pumilio x lutea. I have no picture yet of this but will take one in our spring. It is very tight and small, ideal for a trough, and a peachy-pink colour. 'Gala Day' makes fertile seed and some of the babies are very good too.
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Saponaria 'Gala Day.' The colour is a little deeper, in reality.
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A seedling from 'Gala Day,' crossed by S. pumilio. Again, very tight and compact, a good trough plant. In fact, looking more closely at the third picture, I think there are two seedlings. I can't claim any credit for any of them. I grow all these in a raised bed, in close proximity and all the hybrids are accidental, apparent when I've raised batches of seed from the parent plants.
Sorry to be digressing away from Primula.
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Some really good plants there Lesley !
I agree with you - Saponaria definitely is an underrated genus ! I love these very compact groundhugging forms !
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A pic below, and one which is pumilio x lutea. I have no picture yet of this but will take one in our spring. It is very tight and small, ideal for a trough, and a peachy-pink colour.
Again sorry for the digression- i hadn't realised Saponaria pumilio and luta did that- i look forward to seeing pics of your plants in flower- and also to my plants flowering here, so that i can get a paintbrush out- or try directing the bees ;)
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Some up-dates on primulas.First Tantallon with more flowers and a batch of moupinense seedlings in 3"pots with two individuals,one showing a much deeper pink flower and the other bearing farina that is more yellow than grey.These were grown from seed collected from a plant that was bought as Martin Rix collected.Finally irregularis with its lovely farina.
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Beautiful plants John. I always enjoy the scent of the farina, often duplicated from the roots of primulas. Why? Are grass grubs, vine weevils, root aphis and worms sensitive to perfume?
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Primula Allionii " Little O "
I have found this a good year for Allionii and with the recent mild weather most are now in full bloom.
I would not want to be without these "treasures" at this time of year.
Eric
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Fantastic, Eric.
A showbench is needed, quick!
My allionii are only just showing buds!
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Way in front of mine Eric, mine are only just coming into bud. Lovely plant though.
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Rather late, but beautifull hybrids, Lesley!
I didn´t know that they hybridise so easy. I know of another hybrid called ´Boranovice´, which looks like the last photo and was made by Ota Vlasak.
Wonderful plants! Keep them growing!
Martijn
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A few more photos of Allionii taken today.
Eric
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Can someone please help with this it looks like Primula allionii but I am sure I never sowed any seed of that, I have 3 pots all the same.
Derek
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Nurture it well Derek, it's very pretty.
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Certainly a form or hybrid of P. allionii, Derek........and it's happy with you!
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Derek, this looks like an Allionii hybrid to me, perhaps one of the wharfedale varieties.
Eric
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Derek, by way of illustrating Eric's comment here are two of my 'wharfedales' from last year, neither of which were grown to the quality of your plant.
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Two early flowering Primulas in the garden
Primula sibthorpii from the Pontus range - white and pink-purple
Gerd
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David ,thanks, your Wharfedale photos confirm my original thoughts regarding Derek"s plants.
Eric
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Derek, your primula looks like 'Warfdale Ling', I have one blooming just like it. Yours is a beautiful plant.
Marianne gardening in Vermont US
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The correct prefix for this "stable" is Wharfedale :)
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The correct prefix for this "stable" is Wharfdale :)
surely not without an E Maggi ::)
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Indeed, Ian, I was careless.... yes, I have corrected my post and repeat WHARFEDALE :D Thanks!! ;)
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Cor, I had to look back to make sure I spelt it correctly. As a Yorkshireman I could have been in deep trouble ;D