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Specific Families and Genera => Hepatica => Topic started by: Diane Clement on February 08, 2009, 08:59:03 PM
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I was surprised to see no Hepatica postings for 2009, so better start a new thread.
My hepaticas are making a start into flowering. Many of them are braving the snow outside and opening a few flowers, with a promise of more to come.
Hepatica transsilvanica de Buis - a vigorous large flowered plant in a lilacy blue, I believe its parentage is doubted and may be a cross with H nobilis making it H x media
Hepatica japonica this is an unnamed cultivar from a Japanese breeding programme aimed at producing a yellow. The picture doesn't really show that it is a very pale creamy yellow colour, certainly different from the typical white hepatica. It also has an interesting form with narrow petals. It is proving to be generous with flowers.
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How beautiful they are Diane, and what a welcome sight they must be after the nasty weather. :)
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Great kick-off for the season Diane ! :D :D
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what a welcome sight they must be after the nasty weather. :)
I'm not sure we are "after the nasty weather" yet ::) Another week of cold temperatures forecast here
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Hepatica nobilis pink
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Hepatica japonica
Hepatica nobilis again,a better pic
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Truly beautiful plants, Diane and Michael and a very good start to the 2009 Hepatica thread :D
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Nice plants Diane and Michel.
I saw some more blooming plants on Your blog/diary Diane. A nice Indigo strain I think You called it. Does that mean that it is a seed raised one that also comes true from seed? It lacked the "whiskers" that we see in all of the above. Is that also a stable feature on Your plant?
Maybe I should have asked the question elsewhere but I like to have the hepatica in one place so that tit will be easier to find when I forget where I read about it.
Maybe You ca show the plant here as well if I may have a request.
Nice to see that the season has started
Kind regards
Joakim
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I saw some more blooming plants on Your blog/diary Diane. A nice Indigo strain I think You called it. Does that mean that it is a seed raised one that also comes true from seed? It lacked the "whiskers" that we see in all of the above. Is that also a stable feature on Your plant?
Maybe I should have asked the question elsewhere but I like to have the hepatica in one place so that tit will be easier to find when I forget where I read about it. Maybe You ca show the plant here as well if I may have a request.
By "whiskers" do you mean anthers? The Indigo plant does have all its parts, but is only just starting to open, so the anthers will expand a little later.
It isn't seed raised by me, but was bought from Ashwood a couple of years ago, it's not a very vigorous plant with me. I think it would come fairly true from seed, but it hasn't given me any yet and there is a large chance of cross pollination from a collection of 100+ plants. I don't isolate or restrict pollination as I like to see new plants, and better to propagate a nice one by division.
Hepatica nobilis Indigo Strain
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Yes Diane "whiskers" are supposed to be anthers ;D my botanic terms are slightly home made :-[
I had the memory of inigo with anthers so that is why I asked.
Thanks for clearing this out and for showing the picture.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Some hepaticas don’t have anthers, they are referred to as "Maidens" they can’t pollinate but they can be pollinated and bear seed. Millstream Merlin is a classic example (picture from last year, to illustrate the point, it's not in flower yet)
Hepatica Millstream Merlin
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I used to grow "Millstream Merlin" but lost it along with several other Hepaticas when moving house. This is a an aspect of my memory that I am unable to surpress, unfortunately :'(
As far as I can recall "Merlin" is a hybrid between H. transsilvanica and H acutiloba produced by Lincoln Foster. This hybrid is infertile so it is very much "a Maiden".
Would it be fair to conclude that both fertile and infertile Hepaticas without anthers are included in the term "Maiden"?
Best regards
Einar
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I used to grow "Millstream Merlin" but lost it along with several other Hepaticas when moving house. This is a an aspect of my memory that I am unable to surpress, unfortunately :'( As far as I can recall "Merlin" is a hybrid between H. transsilvanica and H acutiloba produced by Lincoln Foster. This hybrid is infertile so it is very much "a Maiden". Would it be fair to conclude that both fertile and infertile Hepaticas without anthers are included in the term "Maiden"?
I think the term maiden is applied to this form of hepatica (no anthers), fertile or not.
I'm not sure whether Millstream Merlin is regarded as infertile just because it has no anthers, or because it's a hybrid. Some japonicas have no anthers and they can still produce seed if pollinated.
I believe Millstream Merlin (yes, raised by the Lincoln Foster) arose as a spontaneous hybrid, so possibly uncertain parentage. It tends to be labelled as H x media, which would make its parents H nobilis and H transsilvanica. However, there are various references to the parentage as being H acutiloba or H americana, which in the early days were regarded as subspecies of H nobilis. I'll have a try at backcrossing it.
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Hello again Diane,
I can assure you that "Merlin" is sterile, but would not mind if somebody proved me wrong about the sterility of this hybrid. I know Kath Dryden was the first to exhibit it and the plant won an award in 1989(I suppose this is something I should know since Dryden originally sent me my "Merlin" :)).
I do have a couple of fertile maidens in the sense that I have found plants in the wild in Norway without anthers. The Germans call this type of Hepatica "females" by the way since they lack the male reproductive anthers and pollen. A third plant I once found has a few anthers varying in number from 1-4. I have used this plant to pollinate the maidens, which works fine as the production of seeds is quite normal. But naturally, my maidens are not hybrids.
Best regards
Einar
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A few more hepaticas here
H nobilis seedling thanks to Chris Vermeire (not been here for ages??) good pink
H japonica stripey seedling
a very nice pale pink double japonica whose name will need to wait until my friend Kimihiko comes to stay
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Tomorrow has to be leaf removal day so my Hepatica flowers can see the sun
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Tomorrow has to be leaf removal day so my Hepatica flowers can see the sun
All ours are under a thick blanket of snow. :P
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Tomorrow has to be leaf removal day so my Hepatica flowers can see the sun
All ours are under a thick blanket of snow. :P
Most of mine are under a thick blanket of glass ;D
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Mine are all outside
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Mine are all under fir twigs. :) It's -11C outside today and no snow cover. I don't want them to wake up yet.
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Mine are all under fir twigs. :) It's -11C outside today and no snow cover. I don't want them to wake up yet.
I wouldn't dare put some of these outside, a very expensive treat for the squirrel's dinner. Some of them make snowies look quite cheap!
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I love the last one Dianne.
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Hepatica japonica
Hepatica japonica dark form
Hepatica japonica shikouden
Hepatica japonica Taeka
Hepatica nobilis blue
Hepatica nobilis indigo strain
Hepatica nobilis pink
Hepatica transsilvanica
Hepatica transsilvanica Blue Jewel
Hepatica transsilvanica Blue Jewel
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Here is a Hepatica transsilvanica pink form I got on Saturday to go with Michaels Hepatica transsilvanica blue jewel above.
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Looks very nice Michael and Rob - the season seems to be getting on the way. :D
Mine (outside) are still a couple of weeks away.
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My heps.are quite a bit later than last year.The snow has only finally disappeared today and this has been the warmest day for a considerable time,hence the opportunity to take a few photos.which I offer for your pleasure.That is if Heps.do it for you.
Hepatica jaonicaDeep rose seedling of my own
" " " " close-up
Hepatica maximum still with old leaves
" " close up showing new leaves emerging
Hepatica jap.BENIKANZAN
Hepatica tri-loba own seedling
Hepatica Yamatutai
Hepatica jap.TAMAMADORI
" " YAHIKI MURASAKI
Heatica jap.Lilac seedling of my own
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Lovely to see the Heps starting with you , John. We haven't heard from you for ages, hope you are well?
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Close-up
Hepatica jap.MURASAKI SHIKHIBI
" " Pink Seedling of my own
" " Rose " " " "
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Hepatica pubescens 'TENGINBAI'
" " " Stage 1
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" " " Fully open
Hepatica X media Elison Spence
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Transylvanica 'Lilacina' syn. rosea
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Hepatica X media .SUPERNOVA'
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My heps.are quite a bit later than last year.The snow has only finally disappeared today and this has been the warmest day for a considerable time,hence the opportunity to take a few photos.which I offer for your pleasure.That is if Heps.do it for you.
Oh Yes, Heps do it for me :) I could look at your photos all day long and probably will :o Thank you for posting, John, Michael and Rob.
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Hello Maggie,I am very well thank you and thanks for asking.I had almost forgotten how to post the pics.However,contrary to most people's conception I do have other hobbies and the computer isn't one of them but I do enjoy looking in on the forum.Incidentally,I included the stages of TENGINBAI for your benefit as that how yours should be looking,if not now later.
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I did mention the season is getting on its way didn't I ??? ;D ;D ;D
Your opening is quite impressive John !!! :o What a great show !
Thanks a lot for showing these and I know from last year that there are many more where these come from !!
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Thank you for posting John ;D
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This is a 5"pot full of H.nobilis var.pyrenaica.The seed was sown in 06 and is still in the original pot but I show it to illustrate the variability.
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Good to see your plants again, John
Mine are now starting to move
Hepatica japonica lilac
Hepatica japonica Suien
Hepatica yamatutoi
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Nothing special here but thought you might like to see pictures of mostly seedlings growing 15/20 to a 3ltr.pot.pricked out in 2007 from sowings in 2004.The first three pics.just show a range of colours that you can expect from H.jap. not including the doubles of course.
Pictures 004/6/7/and 8 are from nobilis pyrenaica and a good form of a jap.with red stamens not unlike the selected one posted by Ian Christie.There will be one or ywo specials from this batch I hope.
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A fantastic display!
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:o :o :o :o
Never seen anything like it !
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Your hepatica have their own house :o ? What a wonderful sight!
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Oh, goodness!!!
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:o :o :o :o
Never seen anything like it !
Yes, we did see it before but with a lot of beautiful Prunus too.. ::) ::)
I love it to see it again John! Thank you!
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The prunus are still there Luit but I brought them in later this year and they are just bursting bud.
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Beautiful hepatica's everybody:
here's one that is flowering in my garden now:
Hepatica japonica 'Saichou'
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A recent mention of Severin Schlyter, the Swedish hepatica grower, reminded me of this little hepatica. A long time ago, I had some hepatica seeds from the AGS exchange donated by him, and of 2 that germinated, this one has remained with me. It was listed as H. nobilis glabrata dwarf. It is about half the size of the other nobilis, the light green leathery leaves being a max of 3cm across and the flowers about 1.5 cm across on stems about 3-4 cm long. It breeds true and is always white. I've been busily crossing the two remaining plants I have to try and ensure some seed set this year. Does anyone else grow this form?
The photo is a little misleading - the dwarf in front looks as big as the japonica behind because of the perspective.
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I happen to grow Hepatica nobilis "Glabrata". My plant was given to me by Severin some ten years ago. It is identical to yours, Anne, as far as I can judge from your photo. My plant is a slow grower but even so it is a strong plant. I have never had attacks by fungus on my plant for example.
The name "glabrata" is botanically accurate by the way as it refers to a scientific study of this particular subspecies in southern Sweden. Since this study limits the range of "glabrata" geographically to Sweden only, similar plants from Denmark listed by Jurgen Peters in his recently published book "Hepatica" should not be named "glabrata" if I am right.
Best regards
Einar
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A recent mention of Severin Schlyter, the Swedish hepatica grower, reminded me of this little hepatica. A long time ago, I had some hepatica seeds from the AGS exchange donated by him, and of 2 that germinated, this one has remained with me. It was listed as H. nobilis glabrata dwarf. It is about half the size of the other nobilis, the light green leathery leaves being a max of 3cm across and the flowers about 1.5 cm across on stems about 3-4 cm long. It breeds true and is always white. I've been busily crossing the two remaining plants I have to try and ensure some seed set this year. Does anyone else grow this form?
I also grow this form, it is sometimes referred to as H nobilis "Compact form".
I have some other Schlyter selected forms, (some an acquired taste with crinkly leaves). I'll try and get round to photographing and posting them. John Massey was friendly with him and brought material back to Ashwood, which is where my plants originate.
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a very nice pale pink double japonica whose name will need to wait until my friend Kimihiko comes to stay
I'm trying to find as many online images of Japanese double hepaticas as I can. Among the hundred or so I've got on file, the following are double pinks: Akebono, Dewa, Kougyoku (unlikely to be yours), Orihime, Sango-kaku (unlikely to be yours),Shyoujyuno-homare, Taeka, Tamamushi, Toki, Yu-zuru.
While I'm at it, does anyone know of any Japanese-language sites with photos of double hepatica cultivars? The only one with an English-language version is Shikoku, which I've already combed.
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I have but one Hepatica, probably H. nobilis, and it has done well for years, but not really increasing. I truly appreciate this plant as the intense blue is like an invitation to clear the garden in Spring. Along with Corydalis and Helleborus, I had wanted to expand my collection of Hepatica under some japanese maples and Hamamellis. Frankly, I am not sure how to go about it. Is seed easy? Do any of these selected varieties breed relatively true, as to say they pass on doubling, striping, etc. or are they still relatively unproductive? Any cultural hints would be appreciated. ;D ;)
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Generally double hepatica do not set seed since the reproducing organs are made into petals.
Fresh seeds are generally not that difficult to get to sprout. Dry seed are much more erradic. There is a strain called indigo that seems to keep the flower colour indigo and there might be other features like marbled leaf forms that will stay in the next generation as well. I think they can come true fairly well from seeds regarding colour if they are pollinated with control. I have not sown any myself but have had help by ants to sow and bees to produce seeds so we have more now but all fairly the same range of blue towards indigo. Like father like son or like mother like daughter. If one only have blue plants one should not expect miracles but having other colurs like the breeders do they have some nice variants that are fairly consistent of the general features but show some nice variation.
Hope You will get more help by others
Kind regards
Joakim
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Here's two photos of a hepatica I had from a friend of mine a couple of years ago as a small division from his main plant. This year it has really put on a show..........
I believe I have the name correct, Shun-Rin.............anyway enjoy!
Hepatica 'Shun-Rin'
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Mike,
could your Hepatica be H. Shirin? Resembles the foto on Poulsen's site http://alpine-peters.de/shop/ under japonica 'S'.
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I've grown h.Rubra plena before but found it a bit miffy, however the plant in the photos is a good doer.
Also I will enjoy looking at the website you linked me to Regelian.
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Frankly, I am not sure how to go about it. Is seed easy?
Jaime,
If you have a blue Hepatica nobilis already, you should find that it will produce seed from self pollination. If you take the seed as it begins to fall away from the remains of the flower and sow it immediately, then you should have virtually 100% germination next year, and the blue generally comes true. I've used this method to increase numbers (fairly) quickly to plant up a row along a border.
If you miss the seed, you will find that it will germinate anyway, but amongst the emerging shoots of the parent plant - good for clump forming, but not for spreading through a border.
If you want to add further colours, you will probably have to obtain plants in flower to get whites, pinks etc. There are some good, deep pink single hepaticas that have become available recently.
Peter
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Peter,
thanks for the overview. I have already attempted a pollination on the opened flowers. Good to know this was not in vain.
I've been lloking through available and affordable Hepaticas and am curious as to the general genetic. Obviously, nobilis x transylvanica is possible. Are other hybrids known? Are the japonicas actually nobilis hybrids or simply selection?
I was fascinated by the acuta leaf form and plan to add some to the garden. As these are all forms and subspecies, I will assume hybrids are relatively easy. Doubles apparently rarely produce pollen or stigma, so how are they actually bred? Is this simply a chance affair or are doubles in various levels of petaloid formation vs fertility?
Before I go out and purchase a dozen incompatable plants for breeding, what should I avoid? ::)
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Jaime,
I think I'm right in saying that japonica is sometimes regarded as only a variant of nobilis by some authorities. I'm not sure about hybrids, and which ones would be viable, but I think that Hepatica 'Elison Spence' is a hybrid - can't check this for you at present or identify the parents as I'm posting from work, but I may be able to confirm/deny that later.
I do know that one way to get pollen from a double plant can be to repot it. The next year they do not always produce double flowers and there can be a few stigmas with a little pollen. These are then back-crossed onto single hepaticas with all floral parts to obtain a few doubles which are then propagated by division to obtain the desirable named forms that we see at undesirably high prices. A long term project, hence the high cost of the doubles.
Peter
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While I'm at it, does anyone know of any Japanese-language sites with photos of double hepatica cultivars? The only one with an English-language version is Shikoku, which I've already combed.
Roger,
Try International Hepatica society and possible links. www.ihsj.org If you potter around the site you will eventually find pictures. If you are REALLY interested in japanese hepaticas apply for membership. Unfortunately although they call themselves 'International' not many speak English.
You can also try to google Yukiwarisou which is the most common romanization of the Japanese name which means snow-breaking-herb.
The specialist nurseries have fantastic catalogues. If You twist my arm I might send you one. ;)
Göte
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I don't have the time or patience for selective hybrydising so I cannot contribute on this subject but to Mike whether it is Shim-run or Shin-rum the plant you show from a small division looks to be a very good doer and very attractive too and that is half the battle so stick with it.ORIHEME is very similar but I think darker.However,the flowers show great variation on the same plant depending on the age of the flower so it is very difficult to identify from a photo.
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Gote,I went down this route last year but without success.
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You have to be persistent. Try this specific page:
http://www.ihsj.org/activity/06.php
The problem is that if you do not understand Japanese you will end up in dead ends.
Göte
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I happen to grow Hepatica nobilis "Glabrata". My plant was given to me by Severin some ten years ago. It is identical to yours, Anne, as far as I can judge from your photo. My plant is a slow grower but even so it is a strong plant. I have never had attacks by fungus on my plant for example.
The name "glabrata" is botanically accurate by the way as it refers to a scientific study of this particular subspecies in southern Sweden. Since this study limits the range of "glabrata" geographically to Sweden only, similar plants from Denmark listed by Jurgen Peters in his recently published book "Hepatica" should not be named "glabrata" if I am right.
Best regards
Einar
A belated thank you, Einar, for this information. I am happy that there are other plants about.
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A few Hepatica.
For the closeup pics the flowers had to be removed from the plant to get a good pic ,did not want to remove the plants from the plunge.
Hepatica japonica Akane
Hepatica japonica Anjyu
Hepatica japonica haruno-awayuki x 2
Hepatica japonica shikouden x 2
Hepatica japonica Taeka
Hepatica japonica Toki
Hepatica Pubescens
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Very nice collection Michael - I think I like them all ;D
Here's two Hepatica nobilis - flowering in the garden - one of them opening up barely above the ground...
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You are very welcome to any information I can provide you with, annew :)
Michael's photos are simply amazing. The red pistils on the pubescens..... I knew H. pubescens were nice, but this one was stunning indeed!
I otherwise have to report from the snowy north that, yes, my plants are still covered by half a foot of snow. Our time will come, though :D
Best regards
Einar
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It is interesting to note that you are impressed by pubescens as in my experience it doesn't normally attract the same attention as nobilis or japonica and their hybrids.Perhaps because it bears a smaller flower with less petals and borne on a longer stem that tends to lay more horizontal and spread the flowers out more.I myself do like it and admire its more subtle qualities and grow it in quantity both in pots and recently outside.I planted 36 plants out this time last year beneath an established Pinus strobus(five needled pine)and I notice that they are just reappearing so the omens for growing this outside are looking good.I will keep you informed as to their further progress when the start to flower.
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I know German Marlene Ahlburg crossed H. pubescens with H. transsilvanica since both are triploid(2n=28) and created several fascinating hybrids during her experiments. The two-coloured white-red combination in H. pubescens is what enticed her to cross these two species, I think. Perhaps she also hoped the resulting seedlings would be fertile?
The single element that fascinates me most is not only the combined colours but also the oddity that the pistils of H. pubescens are red. What if a trait like that could be found in a European Hepatica? European Hepaticas are large-flowered compared to Japanese Hepaticas and are usually more compact as for growth. "Cremar" combined with H. pubescens. What a treat such a plant would be!
Best regards
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Your pubescens is very sweet indeed, Michael.
I believe most double hepatica nobilis have once been found growing in the wild and then they have been propagated by division. Some are still very scarce and hard to come by.
Peter- I don't think 'Elison Spence' is a hybrid. I know it is a semi-double transsilvanica and that it was found in Ireland but that is about all I know. It would be nice to know more about its history.
My hepaticas have not yet begun to flower but this is how my 'Elison Spence' looked like last spring.
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Yes, having finally returned home from work and a subsequent local AGS group meeting (exellent talk by Peter Korn from Sweden), the first thing that I did was to look up Elison Spence, and it's apparently a form of H. transylvanica -oops! :-[
Here's another photo of it to show the lack of floral parts.
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Thank you all for such fantastic pictures, before I post my recent pictures, Dianne i thought the hepatica with the crinkly leaf from sweden was named H. Cremar? I hope to see you at Blackpool, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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What a huge variety of colours and flower shapes there are, absolutely beautiful flowers.
Congratulations to all of you.
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Nice Hepatica's Ian,
Do you treat all your Hepaticas the same culturally?
And nice H pyrenaica, what colour range does this sp come in?
Cheers
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Hi, all the Hepaticas I have posted are growing under cover, I use long tom plastic pots and the compost is John Inness soil based no 3 mixed with some leaf mould or composted bark and some perlite. The most important thing for me is never bury the growing noses all are above the soil level this allows you to wath and keep clear when watering. H. pyrenaica comes from an area in the Spanish pyrenees and is more variable now as we hand pollinate we have a few redish some blue and a good whie H. pyrenaica Snowstorm. but the bi-coloures are a favourite all have super marbled leaves whicch provide interest for several months in fact most customers buy them because they like the leaves, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Nice Hepatica's Ian,
Do you treat all your Hepaticas the same culturally?
And nice H pyrenaica, what colour range does this sp come in? Cheers
H pyrenaica seems to come in all forms that H nobilis comes in, but the most common is the very palest pink, sometimes referred to as "Apple Blossom". I also have forms in white, pale blue, dark blue and dark pink. I don't hand pollinate, but I assume it usually self pollinates easily, as it is tends to come fairly true from seed in colour, and always the marbled leaves.
By the way, the Plant finder does not recognise H pyrenaica as a species, or even a subspecies. H asiatica, H japonica, H pyrenaica and H rubra (oddly) are all listed as just varieties of H nobilis.
Thank you all for such fantastic pictures, before I post my recent pictures, Dianne i thought the hepatica with the crinkly leaf from sweden was named H. Cremar? I hope to see you at Blackpool, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
Yes, Cremar refers to the crinkly leaf forms, but I don't think it can be a cultivar name, do you think it refers to all the crinkly leaf forms? - these come in different colours as well. I saw a picture at one of John Massey's lectures of many of these forms that Schlyter had collected or selected. Yes, Ian, look forward to seeing you at Blackpool, though too cold for your kilt I think ;)
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Hepatica nobilis "Cremar" must be regarded as a true cultivar name, I think. It was created by Severin Schlyter in the late 1990ies. The parents were the cultivar "Crenatiloba", which is greenleafed and crinkly and "Marmorata", another cultivar with exceptional leaf colourations. There are several clones of "Cremar" which vary somewhat, all produced by Severin Schlyter in different series.
Best regards
Einar
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Thank you all for such fantastic pictures, before I post my recent pictures, Dianne i thought the hepatica with the crinkly leaf from sweden was named H. Cremar? I hope to see you at Blackpool, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
Hello Ian,
Hepatica pyrenaica Blue Withe is a dream!!
Here my first Hepatica nobilis this year. Wolfgang
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Hi again everyone. i am often cofnused why the RHS list some groups of plants in full and not others is this the lumpers and splitters again?. i do agree that these hepaticas are all variations od H. nobilis but it is helfull to clearly identify the different forms like H. cremar and H. pyrenaica as people who see pictures or plants at shows will look for these names in The Plant Finder etc, cheers ian the Christie kind
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What kind of potting mix is John Gennard growing his hepaticas in?
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Hepatica henryi - strangely enough doing much better than all nobilis from different sources
Gerd
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My potting compost consists of one part each of JI2-perlite and leafmould.
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Some of my hepaticas growing in the garden.
The millstream merlin top left is a new plant and hasn't had time to get established.
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Now that the hepaticas are really beginning to come out here, I thought I'd post a few photos of the single japonicas, having spent an hour or so with the camera last week. Hopefully some of the doubles may follow tomorrow.
Firstly four Hepatica japonica, all unamed, but the first three I selected during a vist to Ashwood nursery a couple of years ago. It proves that you don't really have to go for the named forms - if you like it, then it's worth having (and cheaper!)
Finally one of the named japonica forms: Tamasaburou
Peter
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Two more that are flowering here now:
Hepatica pyrenaica x japonica
Hepatica nobilis seedling
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One last look in the hepatica house now that the Prunus KO-JO-NO-MAI have come into blossom.All of the hepaticas beneath have been grown from my own seed and like Peter says,you don't have to pay the earth for named forms.The pink one is the one that I showed at Loughborough last week and came from Paul Christian ten years ago as an un-named japanese single for Ł10.You just have to be patient.I hope to show you some growing outside. when they are more photogenic
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Utterly gorgeous. :D
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Utterly gorgeous.
EXACTLY ! :D
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Hi John, you sure have some winners amongst that lot just wonderfull, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Out of this world John !! :o :o :o
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Fantastic sight, John, thanks for showing them. And good to talk to you last weekend at Loughborough.
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Two Hepatica in flower in the garden today. The first photo is of a mixed group and then Hepatica transsilvanica 'Elison Spence', the third is one of several that I received as Hepatica x media 'Ballardii'
but they do seem a bit variable.
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Can anyone tell me where to find a good Hepatica key? I've been asked to suggest one but I'm at a loss :-[ :-\
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If you mean key to species and cultivars then the most comprehensive presentation can be found in Jurgen Peters "Hepatica".
My next question is; do you understand German?
I am not aware of any good presentations, or keys, in English I'm afraid.
Best regards
Einar
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http://www.alpine-peters.de/sortimente/hepatica/pdf/Hepatica_Preisliste2008.pdf
Although the text is in German, one doesn't need it to get a good idea of what is what. Actually, there is very little text!
This is the best reference I have found and is printable, if one would like to take it comfortably to bed! :o :o ;D
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Very impressive Elison Spence Melvyn !
Gorgeous !
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What a...Preisliste! :o :o :o :o It's not only to take it in bed, but also to have a heart attack... :'(
Maybe it's a silly question, but why Hepaticsa cost soooo much? ??? :-[
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Madi, Hepaticas are very popular right now, especially the Japanese double types and these can only be propagated by division and they are quite slow growing, so that is why the prices are so high ..... probaply cheaper to buy a Maserati to drive to the mountains to see other flowers!! ;D ;) ;D
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Silly question! No, but the answer is easy to explain; supply and demand. The named varieties tend to increase quite slowly compared to most garden perennials, and with some, this is literally the only way to obtain such a flower as they are otherwise infertile or close to.
Although I am not such a fan of Hepatica to pay more than, say, €50 for a plant, I do buy €200 daylilies! Not many, but it is rather easy to spend for something that one wants and is rare or very limitedly available.
Tissue culture has proved adequate for many plants, but some plants do not TC well, such as Hepatica and Hemerocallis, although this is getting better. Still, let's face it, there is a certain caché to owning an exclusive plant. I would rather promote expensive cultured forms in the place of endangered species! Diverting the interest from wild plants to rare cultivars of extremely desirable qualities seems a prudent direction to promote. Just not for everyone. Mind you, I have raised some real show stoppers from seed, which is really the fun of the whole game. 8) ::)
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OK, thanks fot the kind answers! ;) So, if I don't wnat to spend 1/5 of my income to buy an hepatica, the only way is to raise it from seed. And, of course you're right, it's much moore fun.
Besides, I agree with your ideas about endangered species and expensive cultured forms.
And now I will take my lunch-break and dream with the Peters catalogue :'( :o
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And now I will take my lunch-break and dream with the Peters catalogue :'( :o
Bon appetit, Madi ......... at least the dreaming will cost you nothing!
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Hi Madi,
I know of those breathtaking Prices of Juergen Peters, but those plants are slow growing and very exquisite - I'll be visiting his Hepatica Show this weekend and am very curious how these plants look like in reality (and how my wallet looks afterwords....).
Whatever, I got some double Hepaticas in great size / quality from Edrom Nurseries, www.edromnurseries.co.uk - although I bought them as single budded two had two growing tips and one even three ! It was a set of three named hybrids (http://www.edromnurseries.co.uk/product.asp?col=y&product=1941) for 68 GBP - I think that's all right (especially at the moment, as the GBP is not so expensive for us).
I'll see if I'll post a photo, the white Harukin was full of Flowers when I received it - opening that box was a great moment :-)
Best regards,
Michael
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Taken this afternoon
Hepatica Media? Harvington Beauty
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Madi,
I just received these from Jürgen Peters' nursery and none were more than €10,00. They are just seedlings, but I find them beautiful and are just the kind of start I wanted. If I do well with these, I will add a few special ones to breed with.
Michael,
I was hoping to go up to the nursery on Sunday. When are you going? Are you taking the train? For the rest of you, it's like driving from Devon to Glasgow in a day!
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A post script:
The basic "bone of contention" is the question whether a plant in it's "natural habitat" has a higher value than exactly the same plant in a garden.
My view is that we humans are also a part of nature.
A bumble bee is attracted to a larger flower and pollinates it
A gardener is attracted to a larger flower and pollinates it.
I think that gardener is as valuable living being as a bumble bee.
I think that it is meaningless to say that a wolf has the right to eat a deer but a human hunter has not.
My belief is that a human hunter has the same rights as a four-legged hunter. The difference is that human hunters rarely hunts to extinction - something the four-legged will happily do.
A rose is a rose is a rose - be it in a rose garden or in the wilderness where it will be starved and eaten by deer.
Göte
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I have a print of a painting by Ehret, dated 1745, of double pink & double blue hepaticas.
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Nice double blew.
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Hepatica today in flower
H. nobilis alba Albino
H. nobilis alba Albino 1
H. nobilis 1
H. nobilis 2
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That is a lovely white form, Wolfgang. If you should have spare seeds, maybe we can exchange?
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Just a few simple plants flowering in the garden.
Various seedlings first year flowering
H japonica
H pyrenaica
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That is a very pretty photo of the hepatica flowers with the ferns - simple and beautiful.
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Ian, that pink japonica is lovely. Such beautiful regular flower shape and good colour. I also like the marbled (is that the correct word ???) leaves.
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A few Hepatica transsilvanica have started to flower in my garden. Sometimes I wish I had them in pots so I did not have to crawl on the ground to take pics of them.
Hepatica transsilvanica, pure white
Hepatica transsilvanica, blue
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Gunilla
It is clear that you are in the south. I can just see the first movement of the buds.
By the way, What diameter does your transsilvanicas have (I mean flower)
Göte
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Hi Göte
I may be in the south but spring is late here this year. Nights are cold but the frost doesn't seem to harm the hepatica flowers. They are approx 30 mm.
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Einar,
I would suggest that all arguments work better when based on facts and not on misconceptions.
........You have also been proven wrong with regard to how long Hepaticas have been in cultivation in Europe. (Or do you find 1625 recent?)
No doubt. The only dates cited so far are 1750 by Mickeymuc & 1745, 1659 & 1629 by myself. Could 1625 be a misconception or just simple carelessness?
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Re : conservation matters:
I trust, gentlemen, that you will all make efforts that the tone of any discussion can be kept cordial ?
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Gunilla, your white is a fine form. I have a variety called Eisvogel which has barely survived for the last 10 years, and has given me one miserable flower only 2cm across. Perhaps this is my fault and not the plant's! Does anyone else grow this one more successfully?
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regarding plant portraits
Just because it is a picture (painting) of a plant does not always mean it is in cultivation.
There are not many old cultivars with name. Just a few double forms of nobilis and a few of transsilvanica that is old. The others are doubles that do not have any specific name. So compared with the great variety of Japanese variants of higher age I think that it is correct to say that nobilis have not been in general culture for so long time in that there has been very little breeding and people has just focused on doubles and colors and not on the multitude of variants in Japan.
It was even a comment last year that hepatica is a forrest plant and not a garden plant for most people in Sweden. (I disagreed at the time but this show that not all see them as garden plants.)
There have been an influx of wild collected material in the Japanese breeding program with the before mentioned reference. This is not the same as saying that seedlings are wild collected plants and I have not seen any such allegation.
To state that some plants have garden origin in a vendor does not make the other less wild collected!
Just because a organization is of some size does not make it legal.
The Chinese plant market is far from controlled and a high interest from west make it more interesting in taking material from the forrest and this is shown by the very high error in the received plants as there is much reports of even here at this forum.
To think twice about buying plants from the east is not wrong. The "new" species might not all come from garden culture so one should control the seller before buying. That is at least my view if one want to be ethical.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Gunilla, your white is a fine form. I have a variety called Eisvogel which has barely survived for the last 10 years, and has given me one miserable flower only 2cm across. Perhaps this is my fault and not the plant's! Does anyone else grow this one more successfully?
Anne - I have had 'Eisvogel' for about the same length of time. The most flowers per plant I have ever had is 3. Pity, the flowers are rather nice.
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. . . the great variety of Japanese variants of higher age
This triggers the question, how old are the various Japanese double hepatica cultivars?
I have noted that one, 'Orihime', a double pink, is described as "old" in comparison with others, but the word is not quantified.
In some groups of cultivated plants with large numbers of cultivars (e.g. roses) many fall by the wayside within a few years and very few are cultivated for more than, say, 10 or 20 years. Of the double primroses, most of the cultivars are quite recent in origin, largely grown from Barnhaven seed. Only the double mauve 'Quaker's Bonnet' is at all "old".
Anyone know the situation vis a vis the Japanese double hepaticas?
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Anne and Gerry
I have not tried 'Eisvogel' and only seen it on photos so I can’t really compare. The one I have is entirely white without any blue or purple colour on the back of the petals. The whole plant is a paler green than my other transsilvanicas. It is a slow grower and starts to flower very early when we still have winter and frost here. This is a problem as the first buds often open when they are barely above ground and you can hardly see them. The good thing is that it flowers over a long period and the flowers look better later on in the season.
A seedling I found under this plant has now started to flower and it looks identical to its mother with pure white flowers.
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I've had most transs. forms for about twenty years now including an 'albino' and 'Eisvogel'. Apart from the doubles and x media the staight species and its colour varients don't often put on a good show here. Though I've found that regular splitting helps.
I'm not sure if this is down to climate. But I do know that Mike Myers got a good show from garden grown forms in the national collection - I wonder if he fed them with high potash? He recommended this. Or it may be his southerly location. ;)
Gerry
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Some say that transillvanica likes more sun than nobilis and that more sun may help. I do not know if Yours get a lot of sun or not. These grow in a much more southern climate than the nobilis that also in Sweden seems to grow in forests of mixed type generally not amongst firs where I see them but some of our garden escapes lives in a mixed fir forrest.
So maybe more light help?
A neighbour in Sweden has plants the size of 30cm in diameters in west of the house without any other shading. The natural soil is clay but I do not know if she has changed it or how ofthen she waters the plant or feed them. In the botanical garden in Lund the transilvanica are almost a small hedge in a woodland planting that also houses daylillies so there is a lot of sun there also. They also flower but maybe not as much as the ones in full sun.
Hope You have help of people with more experience.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Hi Joachim
Durham is in the middle of Britain, just south of the Scottish border. Its sunny enough, but I'm sure we don't get Romanian temperatures. I have plants in full sun, dappled shade and full shade. The ones in full shade just throw leaves. The other sites give mixed results.
I suspect the real cause is no 'real' winter. Does anyone in NE Scotland flower them?
Gerry
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Gerry do they grow well?
The Swedish plants may get "real" winters or not depending of where they are. The ones in Lund (just east of Danish Capital Copehagen) may some year just have a few days below zero. Other years they might be covered with snow and yet others just in cold frozen ground -15C. Some of the plants start to flower in December in the botanical garden. Good summers have max on 25C (great almost 30C) so we are also far from the inland climate of Romania. Maybe these plants are a bit hungrier than other hepatica? They might need more feeding than nobilis to do well? The plants do get bigger so they might need more feeding to bloom?
All of this is just from the results around me and not my own doing.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Sounds like British weather to me Joachim.
I have Ballardii, and this flowered well in damp gritty compost in the garden next to the raised edge of a small wall. I know that British gardeners have long lamented shy flowring H transs. :(
Gerry
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Yes the Swedish weather in the south is not to far of the colder parts of Britain but might get a bit colder some time.
You see what Gunilla is showing now and she is just 100 km north of me (in Sweden). Might be a few weeks behind some here but not that much.
In Northen Sweden it is much colder and much different light and shorter season with the exception for the winter that is loonger :)
Kind regards
Joakim
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I'm not sure if this is down to climate. But I do know that Mike Myers got a good show from garden grown forms in the national collection - I wonder if he fed them with high potash? He recommended this. Or it may be his southerly location. ;)
Gerry
He's north of me!! Just. None of my transylvanicas do particularly well, and I think the flowers are taken by birds or slugs.
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Slugs are a problem, specially in mild English winters. I cut the leaves off [when I get the chance / remember] to limit their thuggery.
Anyway, how are the Yorkshire cotton fields doing these days?
Gerry ;)
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Last weekend the hepaticas started to bloom, but now it is snowing again.
The bicolor-nobilis are the first this year.
Best wishes from Austria,
Katrin
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Very very attractive Katrin !
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I echo Luc and and that it is a well grown plant with nice number of flowers. 8)
Well done
Kind regards
Joakim
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I've just caught up with the hepatica thread again and a lot has been happening since I last viewed.Ignoring all the political stuff because I am not into that, I would like to add my own experience of growing transylvanica.I have had a patch of it about a metre across for about 25 yrs.and it has never flowered profusely in all that time this year being the worst ever.However,divisions taken twelve months ago have each produced a flower.I also grow several cultivars including Karpatenkrone,deBuis,Winterfreude,Eisvogel and others.I have only had the cultivars for 4yrs.so they are comparatively young but they have all flowered this year though not profusely.They are all growing well and starting to form nice clumps but I fear that we cannot expect them to flower with the same profusion as nobilis.However,when growing healthily I think their foliage is worth the space that they occupy as it retains its condition all though the Summer and into Winter forming an attractive carpet when several plants are groupe together.
deBuis a fortnight ago
Eisvogel " "
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Aha! maybe I should stop ignoring them and give a little TLC (tender loving care). :-*
John, I wanted to ask you, are your super show plants repotted yearly, and are they repotted as a clump, or as several plants per pot?
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Katrin, that's a very pretty hepatica you pictured. Is it a wild one?
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Hi Göte
I may be in the south but spring is late here this year. Nights are cold but the frost doesn't seem to harm the hepatica flowers. They are approx 30 mm.
Hello Gunilla,
We had -9° in the town this night meaning about -12 where the hepaticas grow. I have never seen any harm to the nobilis ones but my only transsylvanica does not like my winters. I have had these 30mm flowers only once in several years. Most winters it barely survives. It would be interesting to know how it fares in other gardens with a colder climate.
Göte
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Hello Gunilla,
We had -9° in the town this night meaning about -12 where the hepaticas grow. I have never seen any harm to the nobilis ones but my only transsylvanica does not like my winters. I have had these 30mm flowers only once in several years. Most winters it barely survives. It would be interesting to know how it fares in other gardens with a colder climate.
Göte
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So if they don't flower well in mild climates or cold ones.......??? I'll try feeding them with tomato fertiliser this year. Having said that I still get decent flowering from the double forms.
Gerry
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Hello,
thanks for your answers. Yes, the showen plants are wild ones (I hesitated to write it, but they aren't protected in my province). Now I'm looking forward to get seedlings.
Katrin
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Anne,I don't re-pot every year,perhaps every other year and sometimes every third year.There isn't a fixed regime and the show plants as you call them are single plants that have never been divided.I ought to really but I can't bear to spoil them.
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Katrin
I really like your bicoloured nobilis.
We had -9° in the town this night meaning about -12 where the hepaticas grow. I have never seen any harm to the nobilis ones but my only transsylvanica does not like my winters. I have had these 30mm flowers only once in several years.
Göte
The size of the flowers on my plants is about the same every year but the number of flowers varies from year to year. The biggest problem here in my part of Sweden is that we often have mild wet periods followed by cold spells without any snow to protect the plants. The temperature here this morning was - 10C and the first thing I did when I came home from work today was to check on the flowering hepaticas. They look OK, only a little flaccid.
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Anne,I don't re-pot every year,perhaps every other year and sometimes every third year.There isn't a fixed regime and the show plants as you call them are single plants that have never been divided.I ought to really but I can't bear to spoil them.
You are obviously doing the right thing!
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but my only transsylvanica does not like my winters. I have had these 30mm flowers only once in several years. Most winters it barely survives. It would be interesting to know how it fares in other gardens with a colder climate.
Göte
H. transylvanica does well here, in what I presume is a colder climate than yours, and blooms before H. nobilis. We don't usually have any lasting snow cover through the winter here, though this year is an exception (the first we've seen in 12 years with almost constant snow cover through most of the yard, and the snowiest since the mid-1950's.)
Edit: I should add that my plants are quite run-of-the-mill and never produce any 30mm flowers, though. :)
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I should add that my plants are quite run-of-the-mill and never produce any 30mm flowers, though. :)
There's always hope, Lori - maybe one of these days you'll discover a HUGE flower peeping out from the snow when it recedes ..... now that would be a treat for winter's end!
Note: I have moved the discussion on the conservation of plants and the history of hepatica cultivation to its own thread, to leave room here for the flowers.
New thead is here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3274.15
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Oh my goodness, what a plethora of Hepaticas. Wow!!
John, your Hepatica house is breathtaking, and Michael, some of those doubles and colours you've shown are amazing. I'll have one of each of them thank you!! ;) ;D Absolutely amazing everyone. Thanks so much for all your fantastic photos. I've been looking at some of my seedlings coming along at the moment and I am hoping for a few new flowers this coming year...... your pics are inspiring me to try more and more. But the doubles in particular are amazing (and Yes, I know they don't set seed in most cases) and completely desirable. ::)
Thanks for a wonderful topic to peruse. Beautiful!! 8)
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Hepatica nobilis "Cremar" must be regarded as a true cultivar name, I think. [snip] There are several clones of "Cremar" which vary somewhat, all produced by Severin Schlyter in different series.
Doesn't that make 'Cremar' a grex?
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Some photos from today
1. Hakurin
2. Sakuma 06/2006
3. Murasaki-Toki
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Those are magnificent Ewelina, and beautifully photographed 8)
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Three great looking specimen Ewelina !
Sakuma is my favourite !
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I had some luck. We had good weather today. Later began to blow and I have wasted time wanted for silence.
1. Hepatica insularis "Alba"
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Ewelina,
I love them all, but particularly "Sakuma 06/2006". Wonderful flower form and colour combination. Beautiful. :D
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Maggi,
This photo is for you.
You can compare with the photo from last year's. This Hepatica is larger with each year.
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Sakuma is my favourite !
In that case, look at next Sakuma 04/2006
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Love that form to them, but I think I do prefer the colour in the earlier one. Nice contrast. It is a beautiful flower shape, that is for sure. I've never seen anything other than singles in person, so I would imagine they'd be even nicer in real life.
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I think I do prefer the colour in the earlier one.
So, do I. I like blue flower with white and this contrast, first of all this 3 varietes
1. Shikouden
2. Tensei
3. Shirin
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Oh, Wow!! Stunning!! I so wish they set seed!!!!!! I know that there are a couple of people who have imported doubles into Aus, but they're years off being available as yet. I'd imagine with flowers like you've just posted I'd end up spending all my time out in the garden drooling over them and never get anything else done... ever!! Well, not until they'd finished flowering anyway. ;D ;)
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Amazing Hepatica's, Ewelina. They seem to really, really like it with you.
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I so wish they set seed!!!!!!
Paul, unfortunately even this don't set seeds.
1. Hepatica x meadia "Prof. Friedrich Hildebrand"
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What a colour!! So even that one is sterile then? I guess that makes sense to a certain degree from a breeder perspective as well..... if you release a plant then no-one can use it as a parent if it doesn't produce seed or pollen. Frustrating for those of us with quarantine that makes things difficult though. ;D
Keep your wonderful pictures coming please. I might not be able to see them in person but I can at least live my double Hepatica dreams vicariously through your postings. ;) They're such a pleasure to view (as are the others pics who've posted as well). Autumn here at the moment with increasing turning of the leaves.... and the first snowdrop buds just appearing above the soil on the autumn species. Yeah!!
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WOW :o That last one is stunning! (So are all the others too...)
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Ewelina, how I love it when Hepatica time comes to your garden! 8) :) :)
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One more Sakuma 03/2006
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Hepatica x meadia "Prof. Friedrich Hildebrand" is just great :D
Here are some of my hepaticas flowering today.
Best wishes,
Katrin
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Katrin, every one a gem! 8)
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Good photo Katrin. We can see difference in flower size and hue.
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Thank you, Maggi and Ewelina.
Here are some other pics. They are all H. nobilis.
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And here is Hepatica insularis "Rosea" from yesterday.
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Lovely... is that really the colour of the petals?
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Lovely... is that really the colour of the petals?
Yes, if you have insularis in mind. The color is dark rosa, although I think it get lighter.
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Hepatica Weekend at Mr. Hepatica Andreas Händel (www.hepatica-haendel.de).
some Hepaticas different from his nursery
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Wolfgang, that is just simply impressive...
I wish we had a nursery like that in Belgium, although I think it would mean a big cut in my budget...
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Wolfgang, that is just simply impressive...
I wish we had a nursery like that in Belgium, although I think it would mean a big cut in my budget...
But Wim, if you look at the website, Herr Händel has coffee and cake for his open days, so that is a saving, no? ;)
Lovely plants.... and plenty of them!
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Yes, Maggi, that would be a saving (coffee is quite expensive these days, as is cake ;)), just kidding, it is always nice to get a cup of coffee and his prices look very reasonably actually.
Although I might choke in the coffee if I want a "Prof. F. Hildebrandt" or a "Röttgesbütteler Röschen"
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Yes, Maggi, that would be a saving (coffee is quite expensive these days, as is cake ;)), just kidding, it is always nice to get a cup of coffee and his prices look very reasonably actually.
Although I might choke in the coffee if I want a "Prof. F. Hildebrandt" or a "Röttgesbütteler Röschen"
Then the coffee is to bring you back to life, Wim!! ;)
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Wofgang, I make You competition. The photos are from another show in Germany. Do you recognize this place?
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I have no idea where this place might be..... but I think I would very much have enjoyed a visit! :D
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I wish we had a nursery like that in Belgium, although I think it would mean a big cut in my budget...
Wim,
One photo for you. Looking on this photo don't ruin your budget. :)
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I have no idea where this place might be..... but I think I would very much have enjoyed a visit! :D
I wait till someone from Germans recognize it.
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I´m not from Germany, but I believe it´s J. Peters nursery ?
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I´m not from Germany, but I believe it´s J. Peters nursery ?
Yes Gerhard, you are right. Were you on the show this year?
This Sakuma was for sale. I regret, that I didn't buy it. But I know, it was sold into good hands
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I have had a wonderful weekend in Germany and I visited Jurgen Peters place in Uetersen.
I also visited Andreas Händel and his garden must be Hepatica Paradise. I'm just back after a very long drive and too tired to read what has been posted here the last days. When I close my eyes all I see is hepaticas in all colours and shapes 8) but I am so happy :)
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I´m not from Germany, but I believe it´s J. Peters nursery ?
Yes Gerhard, you are right. Were you on the show this year?
This Sakuma was for sale. I regret, that I didn't buy it. But I know, it was sold into good hands
It`s a long way from the south of Austria to the nursery of J. Peters. So I haven`t ever seen his show.
There are only hardy Hepaticas in my collection, and I `ll show here the picts the next days, when all filled clones open their flowers.
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but I think I would very much have enjoyed a visit! :D
Now you know, where look for this place, Maggi.
This photo is from 2006.
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There are only hardy Hepaticas in my collection, and I `ll show here the picts the next days, when all filled clones open their flowers.
Gerhard, do you think, they aren't hardy?
We have some H. japonica in pots, if we have one from variety. If we have more, we plant them in the garden. They have good wintered under spruce's twigs or (flies ?).
I wait for your photos.
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Although I might choke in the coffee if I want a "Prof. F. Hildebrandt" or a "Röttgesbütteler Röschen"
They are cheap compared with some of the Galanthus :o
Unfortunately, no pics with the catalogue, so thanks for showing the Prof. F. Hildebrandt - its a beauty. Do you have a picture of
Röttgesbütteler Röschen?
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By Röttgesbütteler Röschen contrast between inside and outside is smaller, and it seems to me, that the flower are smaller as Prof. Friedrich.
In any case, if I saw the both nearby Prof Friedrich go better in my opinion.
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Thanks a lot for posting the pictures, Ewelina. I think they are both beauties, but I will hang onto my 150 euros for the time being ;D
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Wow, what a show. I can barely imagine that many Hepaticas together, given I have probably only ever seen a dozen flowering plants in my life. :o
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Superb shots everyone !
Out here the Heps are going over so it's nice to see their season prolonged a couple of weeks !
:D
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Very very nice everyone, thanks for the pictures (it's cheaper and like that I can enjoy them all the year ;D)
I've ordered from Peters nursery before, they sell very nice plants (they all flowered profusely in their first year) and they are very quick in sending them out.
They are cheap compared to some Galanthus indeed but I'm more inclined to spend money on Hepatica's then on Galanthus (I like them both but if I had to chose...)
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I have been away for a few days and missed all these beautiful hepaticas and photos posted here. Thank you everyone for showing.
Ewelina, I'm curious about how you grow your H. japonica in the garden. What are the winters like where you live? Don't you have problems with japonica starting to flower early when it still is very cold?
Wolfgang, I visited Andreas Händel on Saturday and was completely overwhelmed. I don't speak German very well and Andreas doesn't speak much English but his two lovely daughters helped with translation. The garden was full of Hepatica and many other beautiful plants. I didn't know what to focus on.
Border with hepatica, anemone, eranthis, helleborus and corydalis
Hepatica nobilis 'Odette'
Hepatica nobilis 'Tausendschön'
Hepatica x media 'Ballardii'
Hepatica x media 'Himmelszauber'
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What are the winters like where you live? Don't you have problems with japonica starting to flower early when it still is very cold?
Gunilla,
Our winters are various. This year we had very mild winter. 2 year ago we had -30 Celsius. Our Hepatica don't suffer from winter, but they suffer from drought in summer, if we fall behind with watering.
All new Hepaticas we have under plexiglas and we cover them only with flieselin. I have some photos from last year. If I make new, I'll try to upload them in the forum. This is not Alpen House, but I don't know, what it call in englisch (germ. Frühbeet, perhaps somebody translate it)
The Hepaticas, that grow in garden have its flowers later.
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Looks like a cold frame.
Gerry :)
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Looks like a cold frame.
Gerry :)
Thank you Gerry, this name fits good.
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Thanks, Ewelina. Your cold frames look just like mine, only you got a lot more hepatica plants in yours ;).
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There are only hardy Hepaticas in my collection, and I `ll show here the picts the next days, when all filled clones open their flowers.
Gerhard, do you think, they aren't hardy?
We have some H. japonica in pots, if we have one from variety. If we have more, we plant them in the garden. They have good wintered under spruce's twigs or (flies ?).
I wait for your photos.
I do believe that all Japanese Hepaticas wouldn`t grow a long time here in the garden. We have very hard winter, heavy rain in spring, dry and hot summer.......
Here are my first H. n. 03-09, more will follow.The other picts are from 2008.We have got 10cm fresh snow and 10cm rain within 24 hours. So new picts of Hepaticas will need some time :(
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Beautiful forms Gerhard.
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Gerhard,
Your plants are wonderful.
By the way, I will ask you, do you know the garden of Zenz near Graz? I was there many years ago and I'm interested, if this garden exist still.
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Gunilla nice to see Hepaticas flowering in a garden setting with other woodland plants.
Would like to see Hepaticas out in the wild, any pixs out there? I've heard they flower in mass especially Hepatica americana.
Cheers
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Gerhard,
Beautiful!! The double forms look so precise!! Perfect!! 8)
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Gerhard, those double flowers are like small jewels, perfectly formed and very desirable. Does your semi-double have pollen ?
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My first and only double hepatica japonica flowers. I put this tiny plant out in the garden a year ago and as this winter has been colder than usual I didn't think it would make it out there. It did ;D.
Hepatica nobilis var. japonica 'Orihime'
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Very Very nice
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Here is one of our Hepatica frames. The plants are planted in the soil (without pots)
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Gerhard, those double flowers are like small jewels, perfectly formed and very desirable. Does your semi-double have pollen ?
I have found the shown Hep. nob. semi-double last year. The plant has got enough antheren ( correct english word ?), but I believe that it doesn`t distribute pollen.It would be the first semi-double Hep. nob. ssp. nob. .....
I`ll inform you, next week it should be in bloom.
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Gerhard,
Your plants are wonderful.
By the way, I will ask you, do you know the garden of Zenz near Graz? I was there many years ago and I'm interested, if this garden exist still.
I have studied a short time in Graz, but don`t know this garden.In three weeks there is a market at the Botanical Garden.I promise to ask !
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I have found the shown Hep. nob. semi-double last year. The plant has got enough antheren ( correct english word ?), but I believe that it doesn`t distribute pollen.It would be the first semi-double Hep. nob. ssp. nob. .....
I`ll inform you, next week it should be in bloom.
It certainly looks to be capable of producing pollen. I really like the green effect in the middle. As I'm new to Hepatica, I would like to know if it does produce vuiable pollen. (Übrigens, der Mehrfach ist 'anthers')
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Gerhard and Gunilla those are very nice doubles. The one I'm going to show later isnt so hot compared to yours :-\
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I have found the shown Hep. nob. semi-double last year. The plant has got enough antheren ( correct english word ?), but I believe that it doesn`t distribute pollen.It would be the first semi-double Hep. nob. ssp. nob. .....
I`ll inform you, next week it should be in bloom.
It certainly looks to be capable of producing pollen. I really like the green effect in the middle. As I'm new to Hepatica, I would like to know if it does produce vuiable pollen. (Übrigens, der Mehrfach ist 'anthers')
It is necessary to obtain it with a magnifying glass if anthers are open and distribute pollen. Never till yet has been founded a semi-double Hepatica with open anthers. Professionals have told me that every year japanese breeders come to Germany , for the search of a semi-double Hep. nob. ssp. nob. with open anthers ( with the aim of breeding hard filled hybrids of japanese Hepatica and Hep. nob. ssp. nb.).
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Gerhard,
Your plants are wonderful.
By the way, I will ask you, do you know the garden of Zenz near Graz? I was there many years ago and I'm interested, if this garden exist still.
Ewelina, I think that the garden still exists.
Mr. Zenz has published a small auto-biography in 2004, when he was still active.
He must be in his mid 70's now.
It made me curious too and I hope to find this garden this summer.
But I am not sure, so hope that Gerhard can tell us more.
If you can read German, I could send you the story by E-Mail. It's a PDF, 2.69 MB.
I found this story when I was looking for a special tree or plant when googling.
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If you can read German, I could send you the story by E-Mail. It's a PDF, 2.69 MB.
Luit
Yes, I speak German and read willingly this document.
I was by Zenz in year 19XX, it was so long ago. But I remember his rock garden. It was in March and the garden was under snow.
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I seem to remember a couple of weeks ago promising to post some pictures of some double Hepatica japonica cultivars. My plants are still small, so I thought people might like to see these flower studies that I've taken over the past few days to capture a memory of this year's flowering season which is drawing to a close here:
1 Kuetsu
2 Unabara
3 Asahi
4 Kougyoku
5 Ryugetsu
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6 Un-named seedling
7 Shikouden
8 Shirayuki
9 Another un-named seedling
Peter
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Wow, how many wonderful plants! I which I could also get such beautiful seedlings one day!
Does any body have an idea what Hepatica this could be? I bought it 2007 without a flower as Hepatica nobilis. The leaves were nicely marbled. Now I find it having two green flowers like this. Unfortunately I just saw the flower now as it is almost over (I think I stayed too long in the U.K. this spring :-\), but you can still see that the stamens seem to be pinkpurple. I can take a picture of the leaves when they come out. Hepatica nobilis var. japonica?
The plant has survived temperatures with less than -13 °C this year and with me it was a bit slow to establish in the garden.
Greetings from Iris
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Very nice plants thanks a lot.
I have not seen green in nobilis so I presume it is nobilis from Japan. I may be wrong!
Gerhard, Hjalmar posted some information about what Severin Schlyter had to say about his semidouble nobilis nobilis.
He (Severin) was able to get pollen from it as described by this post
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3080.msg78918#msg78918
I do not know if it will help You but hopefully it will.
I think there is a lot more cultivation and "hobby" breeding with hepatica nobilis than what is known since most growers have it as hobby and not profession. Hope this and other forum in internet will help to spread information about the plants and how to grow them.
After all there are a lot more Europeans in the European forests looking for plants than Japanese so presumably it will be one of them that finds a special plant. So there might be chances to have some nobilis breeding if people with special plants collaborate and shape pollen when that is possible. Or when the plants are bigger, divisions so that both can test the breeding.
If a division of a special plant is moved back to nature it might there find a mate to produce even more special plants so therefor it is good to replant close to where a plant was found.
All the best and good luck with the plants
Kind regards
Joakim
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Gunilla,
I just love your 'Orihime'. So perfect. Then some wonderful pics from Gerhard, and then Peter's :o :o :o :o pics :o :o :o :o. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for a wonderful tour through the doubles. Beautiful just isn't a strong enough word. :D
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The last time I visited Severin Schlyter, he showed a plant that he said had green flowers.
Ulla
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The last time I visited Severin Schlyter, he showed a plant that he said had green flowers.
Ulla
Did Severin only have European nobilis? He might have traded with Japanese but I have no idea?
I also saw the green in Gerhard´s plant so maybe it exists in European nobilis too.
It exists quite a lot of the it in the Japanese but the plant is wonderfull and if it is hardy with You it is great.
Does anyone know where Severin Schlyter´s plants ended up? He spread a lot through seed exchanges so there is a lot off offspring around.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Severin Schlyter donated a great many plants to the RHS, where I believe they are looked after at Wisley Garden.
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Here are some picts from the garden today.
Colour aren`t really true: Hep. nob.nob. Maria Theresia is darker blue, the Hep. nob.nob. best rosa is a little bit darker
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the last one....
Peter, congratulations, your Hep. no. jap. are unique.My favourite is Ryugetsu: the dark blue anthers in contrast to the white bloom !!!!
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I had the perception that it was common Nobilis, not Japonica.
I think Schlyter also had some Hepatica japonica. He had a yellow Hepatica, and I think it was a Japonica.
Ulla
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Wow! Peter and Gerhard :o Great pics of wonderful flowers. I love them all but Maria Theresia most.
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Hi Ewelina,
of course Zenz gardens still exists! Please have a look at "http://zenz-gardens.com/" (in german!)
@Gerhard - nice homepage and beautiful Hepaticas! cu at the "Raritätenbörse"! ;)
best greetings from Graz!
massonia
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Thank You, Massonia and Luit for the story of Zenz's garden. It is nicely to return in the places, in that I was sometime.
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Today I have for you some another Hepaticas. The first two are interesting due to leaf, the last has sweet blue flower.
1. Hepatica henryi
2. Hepatica nobilis var. acuta
3. Hepatica nobilis var. obtusa
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Thank you for your answers concerning my green Hepatica :).
Anyway I like yours much more. The green flower is interesting, but not particulary showy in the garden to be honest ;).
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Finally posting some of mine. It's been very warm here which has forced them on too much. There will be no flowers for the Dublin show this Saturday. All are nobilis in various forms
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Mark et al,
They're all lovely. Still love the doubles, but some of the more "basic" colours that Mark posted are still just so wonderful to see, particularly at this time of year (autumn here).
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It bugged me all night about the double white. It's yamatutai
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It bugged me all night about the double white. It's yamatutai
And a very pretty yamatutai it is :). I think I like the single ones just as much as the doubles.
Prickle is cute.
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Thanks for the information Maggi and Ulla. :)
Nice plants Gerhard, Ewelina and Mark.
I am enjoying them all. 8)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Warm and sunny today but still frost every night. A few more Hepaticas.
H. nobilis fl. pl. Czech form
H. transsilvanica 'Supernova'
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Gunilla,
I love the blue of that last one, but the form of the Czech one is striking. Much flatter double than I had seen (or else it was just from a different angle). Very nice!
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The flowers open up wide in the sunshine and look a bit flat. The Czech form is new to me so I don't really know how well it will perform but it certainly looks different from my other blue double nobilis.
My favourite one is almost impossible to get a good photo of. It is tiny and very dark blue. I have no name on it.
Hepatica nobilis blue double
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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It there any international thing that is blue so that it can be used as a colour standard?
It is often tricky to get the right blue and with the change of weather it is even trickyer. But with a standard beside it would be possible to get a feeling.
I am thinking of something like a Pepsi can (I was actually thinking on a coca cola as example for read hen I realized that there is an other common one.
I know that it is not pretty but maybe helps to get a feeling for colours since normally one can not get several types in the same picture if they are growing a bit apart and with only few flowers it might not be fun to pick them.
Are there any better suggestions? I know there are several colour standards that are exact but generally cost a lot and is not available every where.
It might also be the blue from "bounty" or something similar.
Maybe this is a general issue and maybe it fits better elsewhere but I got inspiration here.
Input about making a "international colour-standard" are welcome and also if it is at all interesting. It makes the photo less pretty but helps compare I think.
Kind regards
Joakim
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I have found the shown Hep. nob. semi-double last year.
I have photographed on the show such Hepatica. It seems to me, that this is similar to Gerhard's plant.
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double blues are so lovely
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I think there is something magical about the blues in Hepatica generally.... don't know what it is but I find them really appealing.
Here's the fuzzy new growth coming on a pink Hepatica today... the flowers are already fallen after the bad wind and rain last week...
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Last year it had only 4 flowers and look now at it! Does anyone know whats the matter with the flowers? They don't have stamens, I think, so it must be a steril plant. Maybe this is the reason that it is growing so quickly.
The picture above shows the main hepatica bed. Below there is the double one my sister found in 2004.
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Your Hepatica hill looks gorgeous Katrin !
Very natural ! 8)
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Lovely pictures everyone, one of these days I'll succeed in growing one :(
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Hi to all thanks for the super pictures, I post a late Blue hepatica nobilis possible hybrid with H. nobilis var japonica, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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It might also be the blue from "bounty" or something similar.
Maybe this is a general issue and maybe it fits better elsewhere but I got inspiration here.
Input about making a "international colour-standard" are welcome and also if it is at all interesting. It makes the photo less pretty but helps compare I think.
Kind regards
Joakim
I think you're right with the difficulties especially with the colour blue. I've had the same problem with bluish Corydalis solida I found. On the photographs it always looks completely different And it also depends on the light when you take the picture. So find below the very same Hepatica bed in evening sunlight and on a dull day. Well, the "true colours" are something inbetween.
I don't have that special plants of Hepatica, but I enjoy my "slowenian swarm" very much. In the arboretum it looks quite natural, though the colours are so different.
Next time I will eat some Bounty - of course just to put the paper next to the plants as a colour index ;).
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It there any international thing that is blue so that it can be used as a colour standard?
Maybe this is a general issue and maybe it fits better elsewhere but I got inspiration here.
Input about making a "international colour-standard" are welcome and also if it is at all interesting. It makes the photo less pretty but helps compare I think.
Kind regards
Joakim
I could not agree more. This is a problem. Especially blue colours are difficult. I usually get them too light. Those of us who grow everything in pots get away by using a neutral grey background. A digital camera will try to get that neutrally grey and since the background is uniform differences in light are compensated. This does not help all colours the sensors in the camera have a different sensitivity to Wavelengths than our eyes have. The manufacturers compensate for this using various filters but it seems that they not always succeed. Problem is based on that blue might contain both ultraviolet and infrared that we humans do not see but some cameras do. Of course also other colurs may have these additions but the disturbance does not seem to be so obvious.
I think that at the moment the grey card is the best solution.
HAve a nice Easter everybody.
Göte
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I agree with you, the blue colour is a problem. Sometimes I wish I had my plants in pots so I could experiment more with different backgrounds. The sad truth is that I'm useless with plants in pots, can't even keep my house plants alive :-[ so that is not really an option.
Happy Easter to you too, Göte and to you all :)
Double blue hepatica - with flowers in sun and shadow
Blue double hepatica - I perceive the colour as darker blue/violet than my camera does
Red double hepatica - can still be found growing in old gardens here
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Katrin,
Your beautiful blue Hepatica, is a Female plant. It is not sterile, it can bear seeds, but not pollinate other plants. I have several Hepatica like yours in the garden and they bear seeds.
Ulla
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Hepaticas do not grow in the woods where I live but I had heard about a place about 50 km from here with wild hepatica. After work today me, my husband and our two dogs went off to search for the place. We found it and although it was windy up on the hill I managed to take some photos of wild Hepatica flowers :) and a Corydalis.
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What a good expedition, Gunilla.
I see that as well as the lovely variety of hepaticas you actually saw two corydalis..... and a gagea !
Are both the dogs rough/sable collies? I'm sure that is what I can see, almost as a ghost in one photo 8)
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Maggi, my old collie, Molly, was a rough/sable. I lost her just before Christmas and still miss her very much.
Tessi is a 9 year old tricolour and the youngest is a 3 year old Sheltie named Yatzy.
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Gunilla, I have enjoyed all the pics of your hepaticas, but it is really special to see them in their natural setting.
They're just beautiful.
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Your collies are as beautiful as your plants, Gunilla, thank you for showing us . I see Tessi is quite the baby-sitter 8) And how sweet Yatzi looks in her field of dandelions, how cute!
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Nice to see the Hepaticas in the wild Gunilla !
Thanks for taking us along on your walk !! :D
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What beautiful plants, dogs (& baby :)) Gunilla. Thank you for showing them.
Are the anemone leaves in some of your pics likely to be ranunculoides or nemorosa?
Years ago when living in Finland one of my greatest pleasures in spring was to visit the hepaticas in forests around Helsinki or in North Karelia. However their colour was usually deeper if I remember correctly (a big if, admittedly!).
Our beloved collie-X Misty (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1463.msg82217#msg82217) born at the local dog shelter had a shelty mother & presumably a border collie father of the type common here in country areas.
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Are the anemone leaves in some of your pics likely to be ranunculoides or nemorosa?
Probably both, Ashley. A. ranunculoides is not uncommon in the south of Sweden and A. nemorosa grows pretty much everywhere. Soon the beech woods will be completely white with Anemone flowers at the same time as the beech trees are leafing. The light in the woods at this time is almost magic.
The baby is my granddaughter and she is 2,5 years old now and very good with dogs :).
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A very tiny hepatica from China
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And what a cutie it is!! Very nice, Hans.
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At us the majority of Hepatica are just sheded blossom. After the winter we have summer and heat.
But today I have taken some photos of plants.
1. Hepatica nobilis Alba
2. Hepatica insularis "Rosea", that begin to send new beautiful leaves out.
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This Hepatica is described as Hepatica yamatutai. It has large flower, larger as nobilis var. japonica, larger as my henryi "Double Rosa".
Is the name correct? What dou you think about it?
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Ewelina,
Lovely!! That last double is beautiful, and the dark leaves on it must set it off well. I particularly like the insularis rosea leaves though... I don't think I've heard of that species before?
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I don't know this species so can't help with identification but what a little beauty it is. The leaf colour is very nice. Does it stay that dark throughout the season or turn more green later on?
I see now that the older leaf on your photo is more green but still quite dark.
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New leaves are darker - brown and older are more green.
I have one yamatutai, but the double is too small in order to compare it. I think, if it is larger, it is easilier to do it.
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Ashley when visiting Sweden over the Easter I saw sme hepaticas but thought they were lighter this year than usual. It may be that I am in the end so that they have become lighter with the warmth or the tricky weather is behind it.
Regarding ranunculoides or nemorosa I can comment on Gunilla´s comment in that ranunculoides is not so common and are red-listed (fridlyst) in ourpart of Sweden but when it grows it often grows a loooot of them. The nemorosa grows everywhere.
My mother claims she can separate them by the foliage and so do others I think. The intermediate/hybrid of the yellow and white is the sulphor coloured one that for some reason is growing a lot of in the botanical garden in Lund. I have only seen it one as a wild plant presumable because here in the south of Sweden they have separate flowering times.
It was also some discussion about transilvanica having few flowers.
I add a picture of the ones in the botanical garden that flowers well I must say, but all is relative.
There were also some cultivars that I enjoyed as seen by this overview.
In our summer-house we had some flowering and the pink had become almost white.
I do not know if it may be pyreneica "apple blossom" but do not know how to separate it from normal nobilis nobilis.
It was in the end of the flowering and a day later the petals were gone. Looked like it could be seeds coming.
I also saw one blue with red "things" (to use the term). Is that uncommon?
Also added some semi-wild plant from Lund growing with Viola odorata
Kind regards
Joakim
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Thanks Joakim. At least in Ĺland both anemone species are abundant and flower together in early May.
Seeing them side by side I thought I could differentiate the foliage too but now can't remember ???
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Ashley as I said in some places they are both abundant, giving a lovely impression. :o
Here in the south they are separarated by weeks and nemorosa was in full bloom while ranunculus was still tight buds. There might be some late nemorosa that flower together with ranunculus.
I think that the distance between the foliage and the bud is shorter for ranunculus compared to nemorosa. Here in the "South" (of Sweden) the foliage is developped differently due to ranuculus being later and that makes some difference in the foliage but when looking at late nemorosa it is nolonger so easy to separate the two.
How are they in Ireland (or the rest of the world?) are they blooming together with hepatica both of them or are all separated?
The order in Southern Sweden is blue, white, (sulphor), and yellow. With some overlap.
Kind regards
Joakim
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How are they in Ireland (or the rest of the world?) are they blooming together with hepatica both of them or are all separated?
Here A. nemorosa flowers from mid/late-March to mid/late-April and sometimes well away from trees or even bushes. Similar behaviour by other 'woodland' species like primrose (Primula vulgaris) and bluebell (Hyacinthoides non-scripta), especially in the west, is thought to reflect our mild, less sunny conditions. However neither A. ranunculoides nor hepaticas are native to Ireland.
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Thanks for the information Ashley maybe someone having all three in the garden can relate to this.
Regarding primulas we have veris growing wild and it is having buds but no open flowers and vulgaris coming from gardencenter mixes can flower any time of the winter so we had some in flower now. Only hybrids of vulgaris and veris were flowering now. These were made by bees in our garden.
To continue the reference the pusatillas were flowering in Lund but in the summer house some 100km norteast there were some flowering and some not. The one in bud was "rote klocke" one that I would have liked to see.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Thanks for the information Ashley maybe someone having all three in the garden can relate to this.
Joakim, Anemone nemorosa and A. ranunculoides are flowering now in my garden under a big magnolia tree (almost flowering). I also have a few varieties of Anemone x lipsiensis but they have not started to flower yet. Sorry this is off topic, I think :-[ Tomorrow I'll try and post some photos of my last hepatica to flower.
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The last one of my hepaticas has now started to flower. This is the ugly duckling turning into a swan :)
Hepatica nobilis alba plena
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Is that the alba plena that Mr Schlyter was selling a few years ago?
Gerry
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It might be but I'm not sure. Unfortunately, I never had the chance to meet Severin Schlyter and have not seen his plants.
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No, nor did I. I got crenatiloba and alba plena from him about 2000; guess which one 'died on me' as they say in Ireland [and County Durham].
Gerry
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Oh, I feel sorry for you, Gerry. I divided my plant last year because I wanted a back-up plant. You can imagine my anxiety until I knew for sure that both were doing fine.
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Gunilla, I did not see an ugly duckling!
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Seeing them side by side I thought I could differentiate the foliage too but now can't remember ???
Do we need another thread for Anemone??
It is easy to see the difference between A. nemorosa and A. ranuncloides once one has seen them side by side. Ranunculoides is smaller and the green is a little more yellowish brown. I am not sure if I can distinguish x lipsiensis by leaf only.
Pink nemorosa are common in the forests. However, if they are brought into the garden they turn white. Also named clones that I have received as "pink uns" turn white in my place. I believe that the pink might be a stress reaction in some clones. It is not a very beautiful pink anyway. It is more like fading Trillium grandiflorum than real pink.
In my area hepaticas are not lighter than usual.
Göte
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I haven't found any cultivars of Anemone nemorosa that open pink. All my 'pinks' start white and age pink, like Gote's.
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Do we need another thread for Anemone??
Well, we can do, but the talk of anemones in this thread is rather bound up with the hepaticas :-\
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Today I saw the most amazing sight on a trip up the mountain on the other side of the valley. The slopes below the woodland were a carpet of white Hepatica with heads lifted to the sky - I have never seen so many in the wild - they were simply intoxicating :)
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What a wonderful sight, Robin, no wonder you were thrilled. :)
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Robin, an enchanting sight indeed, but these are not Hepaticas, they are Anemone nemorosa ..... glorious, nonetheless 8) One of the favourite wildflowers of my late Mother and myself....... I cannot see them without thinking of her. :)
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Today I saw the most amazing sight on a trip up the mountain on the other side of the valley. The slopes below the woodland were a carpet of white Hepatica with heads lifted to the sky - I have never seen so many in the wild - they were simply intoxicating :)
These look like Anemone nemorosa, not Hepatica, but none the worse for that ;D
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Robin, an enchanting sight indeed, but these are not Hepaticas, they are Anemone nemorosa ..... glorious, nonetheless
These look like Anemone nemorosa, not Hepatica, but none the worse for that
Thanks for the proper identification Maggi and Diane and I'm glad you enjoyed them. I should have looked at the leaf not just the flower and spent more time thinking before I posted as the Hepaticas in the forest here are almost over and tend to stay more in the woods. :)
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What a lovely sight, Robin! I like this kind of white ground cover better than snow :)
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I haven't found any cultivars of Anemone nemorosa that open pink. All my 'pinks' start white and age pink, like Gote's.
I have cultivar 'Lucia' (collected in the Picos) which opens pink, though admittedly not a very impressive pink. It is a new plant so I hope it becomes a more pink pink when it establishes.
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Today I saw the most amazing sight on a trip up the mountain on the other side of the valley. The slopes below the woodland were a carpet of white Hepatica with heads lifted to the sky - I have never seen so many in the wild - they were simply intoxicating :)
These look like Anemone nemorosa, not Hepatica, but none the worse for that ;D
I agree. The divided leaves are the clue.
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Hello all!!
I have returned to you, ;)
I had problems and there was no Internet.
I in delight from shown here Hepatica. :o
At us snow, but there still lies where it has melted start to blossom Hepatica and Erytronium
I need now a lot of time to read all posts,
I so have much passed at a forum! :'(
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A round up of some of my hepaticas from this year. Sorry for those who have already seen this.
1. H x media Millstream Merlin 2. H japonica 3. H japonica 'Kanzan' 4. H japonica var pubescens
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Row 2 left to right:
1. H. japonica ‘Kanzan’ 2. H japonica 3. H japonica Yong-ju-ha 4. H transsilvanica ‘Ballardii’
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Row 3 left to right:
1. H transsilvanica ‘Ada Scott’ 2. H japonica ‘Izumo’ 3. H nobilis Indigo 4. H japonica
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Row 4 left to right:
1. H pyrenaica seedling 2. H japonica ‘Kurimu’ 3. H yamatutoi 4. H japonica ‘Hiragana’
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Row 5 left to right:
1. H nobilis 2. H insularis 3. H japonica ‘Echigobijin’ 4. H japonica ‘Zeppin’
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A round up of some of my hepaticas from this year. Sorry for those who have already seen this.
1. H x media Millstream Merlin 2. H japonica 3. H japonica 'Kanzan' 4. H japonica var pubescens
Diane it's wonderful to see your Hepaticas side by side and enjoy the different forms and colours in detail - it's a magnificent collection and I would like to learn more about them. :)
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Thanks Diane for showing. They are all beautiful but H. japonica 'Kurimu' and the white nobilis with red anthers are fabulous :o
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Anastasia,
Welcome back!!!!! :) :)
Diane,
Beautiful. My particular favourite is the last one 'Zeppin'. Love that form with the almost edged look. Then again I wouldn't turn down any of the others either!! ;D Thanks for posting them.
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I'm trying to post some more but keep getting an error message
Edit by Maggi: problem fixed by Fred late evening 24th April.
Edit by Diane: Thanks to Maggi and Fred for sorting the problem
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Diane, there may be a hiatus while we get Fred to replenish things. Just so much traffic on the Forum that we keep getting choc a bloc. Fred is off fishing so please be patient! :D
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Wondeful flowers Diane, H japonica ‘Hiragana’ could almost be mistaken for a hellebore flower.
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Diane I just read the diary and did not mind to see it again (and will see it again and again) to enjoy it fully. :o 8)
For those of You who are interested in cultivars of double hepaticas nobilis (fully hardy) I can say that there is something as unusual as a double with good leaf markings. It is called "Alansdal" and was found on Gotland, Sweden.
For those who want to read more and see the picture view this link. (It is not my picture so I can not put it here.)
http://www.hepatica.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=271
There are also some other cultivars described some doubles some semi-doubes and some other specials on the page.
http://www.hepatica.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=16
All the best
Joakim
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Thanks Fred, Maggi for sorting the problems. I'll continue where I left off with some doubles
Row 6 left to right
1. H japonica (blue Nidan type) 2. H japonica Shikoden 3. H japonica (pink Senju type) 4. H japonica ‘Koetsu’
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Full doubles
Row 7 left to right
1. H japonica ‘Suien’ 2. H japonica (white Senju type) 3. H japonica ‘Suien; 4. H japonica ‘Gikun’
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And the last pictures of doubles
Row 8 left to right
1. H japonica ‘Junisen’ 2. H japonica (lilac Nidan type) 3. H japonica ‘Setsudu’ 4. H japonica ‘Anju’
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And to finish, some leaf forms (sorry not named ::) )
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Thanks Diane for showing. They are all beautiful but H. japonica 'Kurimu' and the white nobilis with red anthers are fabulous :o
Gunilla, you have good taste ;D
Kurimu is a very desirable form as it has slightly 'yellow' colouring in the petals, not clear in the picture.
In contrast, however, the white nobilis with red anthers is a common form (none the worse for that!) and it comes true from seed.
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Diane,
Lovely pics again. The doubles are wonderful, but pretty much unattainable here. ::) At least with admiring the singles there is hope of one day raising something like that from seed. ;D ;D And those leaves are just wonderful! That white with red anthers is pretty cool, too... and I definitely wouldn't call it a common form to me! ;) So very cool seeing all these different Heps. Thanks for taking the time (and irritation with upload problems) to share the pics with us. 8)
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Sunday's gardening work was mainly the lifting and potting of a number of hepaticas that were languishing in one of my beds. These are old plants but have never thrived. They've gone into the mix recommended by Ian Christie, equal parts of potting soil, leaf mould, and pumice. I look forward to seeing them grow with more enthusiasm!
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I am late to this thread---H. transylvanica and nobilis are finished and H. americana is in high bloom right now.
As I do not know any of the other species, can someone please identify this one for me from it's leaf?
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Hello Kristl,
do you have any pic's of H americana in the wild in mass? Ive heard they can look amazing.
cheers
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Looks like transylvanica to me?
Gerry
I am late to this thread---H. transylvanica and nobilis are finished and H. americana is in high bloom right now.
As I do not know any of the other species, can someone please identify this one for me from it's leaf?
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Hello Kristl,
do you have any pic's of H americana in the wild in mass? Ive heard they can look amazing.
cheers
Steven,
I am heading out tomorrow to one of my major Hepatica sites---will post pictures in "My Bit Of Heaven 2009" thread.
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Oh, I feel sorry for you, Gerry. I divided my plant last year because I wanted a back-up plant. You can imagine my anxiety until I knew for sure that both were doing fine.
Aye; at Ł80 a bud [ten years ago], my anxiety state was pretty high too.
Gerry
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Ł80 :o I feel even more sorry for you. There are still a few flowers on mine and they have turned completely white. I know now that this H. nobilis alba plena once was found on Öland.
Hepatica nobilis alba plena
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Very nice Gunilla
Hope You will find out maore about it when You can.
Al the best
Joakim
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Ł80 :o I feel even more sorry for you. There are still a few flowers on mine and they have turned completely white. I know now that this H. nobilis alba plena once was found on Öland.
Hepatica nobilis alba plena
Lovely; now I know what I missed. I know this is a daft question, but is this 'in commerce'?
Gerry
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I am a member of a Swedish garden society and bought my plant at one of their plant sales. This is the only time I have seen H. nobilis alba plena for sale (actually I have never seen any other alba plena at all) so I guess it was a matter of being in the right place at the right time :).
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Thanks Gunilla. Such is life.
Gerry
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Paul , some time ago you asked if there were any double Hepaticas in Australia .
The only ones I grow are the double blue and nobilis rubra plena , in flower today.
I know there are one or two gardeners here who have imported some of those named
Japanese doubles at a prohibitive price , far beyond my means ,almost obscene when
there is so much poverty in this world .
Otto.
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Otto,
Yes, I did know that there had been some imported by a lady down in the Dandenongs (I even met her briefly last September when I was down there). Given how much SHE paid to get them into Aus, it'll be a while before I can afford to buy any, that is for sure. ;D I've never seen a double in person, although I have vague memories of a double at Tim's? May have been something else though, as I saw so many wonderful things while I was down there.
The colours of yours are beautifully strong, too. Thanks for photographing and posting the pic for me. They're lovely. Only 2 singles out in flower here yet.... a single flower on a white, and a single flower on a pale pink (both are only a single flower on the plant too, so no other activity from the plant..... I think those buds have just gone off prematurely). Both are very early for here.... they're still quite a way off, although I have noticed swelling on some of them this week so I would imagine I'll have some more flowers soon.
Thanks again, they're beautiful. 8)
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Hi Rodger,
Just notice Your Quest on compost,
maybe You try this mix 1/3 John Inness nr 3- 1/3 leafmould-1/3 grit or Perlite.
I never use peat for my Hepatica`s. :-X ;)
Best wishes,
Guy
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Hepaticas do not grow in the woods where I live but I had heard about a place about 50 km from here with wild hepatica. After work today me, my husband and our two dogs went off to search for the place. We found it and although it was windy up on the hill I managed to take some photos of wild Hepatica flowers :) and a Corydalis.
i'm very late to this thread--rarely get a chance to visit the specialty topics!
but these photos are lovely, gunilla! i can hope someday the seeds i am planting will give me something like this :)
your open beech woods are fascinating to me, we have no woods here (in my area) with such an open floor, unless under spruce where little grows at any time... does this fill up with more vegetation later in the year? or is it only the spring plants?
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Cohan - glad you liked the photos :)
Beech woods are common where I live but Hepaticas are not. In springtime the woods around here are filled with Anemone nemorosa followed by Convallaria majalis and other woodland plants and ferns. It is lovely to walk in these open beech woods. I often do and find it very peaceful and stimulating.
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Nothing particularly fancy, but Hepaticas non-the-less. All bar the white one came from seed from internet friends. The pink is from seed from Lesley, the seedling from triloba 'Cobalt' came from seed from John Forrest, and the blue americana came from Diane W. Thanks so much everyone!! ;D
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Paul these are quite lovely - great to know they came from internet friends and are so happy with you - Congratulations on your nurturing talent ;)
I do have to admit that I prefer the simpler designs although the anemone centred one are now included!
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paul--i agree with robin--nothing wrong with simple, i like these nice clean 'designs' best...
gunilla-- a lovely place to walk for sure! i think its great ease to the soul to get to these quiet, natural places :)
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I am from the US, where we have two native Hepaticas (americana and acutiloba - depending on whose taxonomy you like...). In Minnesota, where I live, we have the H. americana. I know there are pink ones, but I've only ever seen blue varieties.
Here in the US, availability of H. nobilis, transylvanica and japonica is extremely limited. Any suggestions for seed sources that ship to the US would be most appreciated. I usually get a few hundred seeds of blue H. americana, and would love to trade!
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Sorry we can't help you with seed, Duane, but others on the Forum may well be able to trade with you.
Welcome to posting on the forum, by the way! 8)
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Ashwoods Nursery in Kingswinford may send to the US.
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Ashwood do send seeds to other countries in Europe, at least. Do not know how import regulations are in the US. I have ordered Hepatica seed from the twice, and with excellent germination.
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Duane, the North American Rock Garden Society (NARGS) seems to offer Hepatica nobilis et al quite reliably in the seedex from year to year. Of course, there is no guarantee of what will be available from year to year, but the record (see below) bodes well.
2008-2009:
3395 Hepatica maxima pink 30cm 287
3396 nobilis pink 10cm 287
3397 nobilis (mottled leaf) blue 15cm 287
3398 transsilvanica white 15-20cm 287
2007-2008
1538 Hepatica nobilis blue 10cm 141
1539 nobilis mix 10cm 156
1540 nobilis red 10cm 141
1541 nobilis white 10cm 141
1542 nobilis Best Selection 141
1543 sp. mixed 243
2006-2007
1597 Hepatica acutiloba blue 15cm 208
1598 acutiloba white 15cm 208
1599 americana mix 10cm 248
1600 insularis white 10cm 13
1601 maxima pink 20-30cm 1 13 250
1602 nobilis dark red 10cm 157
1603 nobilis mix 10cm 244 307
1604 nobilis white 15cm 250
1605 nobilis (mottled leaf) blue 15cm 250
1606 nobilis 'Poland' (nv) blue 15cm 256
1607 nobilis 'Rosea' pink 15cm 250
1608 nobilis v japonica red 219
1609 nobilis v japonica f magna white 15cm 13
1610 transsilvanica mix 10cm 255
1611 transsilvanica white 20cm 250
2005-2006
1813 Hepatica acutiloba mix 15cm 310
1814 maxima pink 20-30cm 19
1815 nobilis mix 10cm 66 353
1816 nobilis pink 61
1817 nobilis red 10cm 173
1818 nobilis white 10cm 19
1819 nobilis 'Cremar' pink 61
1820 nobilis (mottled leaf) blue 10cm 19
1821 nobilis (mottled leaf) white 15cm 19
1822 nobilis 'Rosea' pink 10cm 19
1823 nobilis v japonica red 89
1824 nobilis v japonica white 89
1825 Hepatica nobilis v japonica f magna dark pink 61
1826 nobilis 'Weiser Samling' mottled leaf, white 10cm 19
1827 sp. large purple 61
1828 sp. Mix mixed 10-15cm 187 310
1829 transsilvanica blue 10cm 66
1830 transsilvanica dark blue 10cm 19
1831 'Tsumabeni' white w/red edge 15cm 19
http://nargs.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=157:past-years-seed-lists&catid=75:seedex&Itemid=94
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Hi Duane,
Just noted Your posting re Hepatica seed,I usually have a good supply of fresh seed,I am willing to swap
I have most Hep Jap Nobilis in a variety o colours,sorry only from open pollination,
Please send me email when interested,and I get back to You
Cheers,
Guy
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In these dark, short days, I think it will be encouraging to all of us, to see photos of beautiful flowers, and at the same time it’s a reminder what’s waiting in spring. I almost can’t wait.
Here are some of my new japonica.
Senka
Ujigawakei
Sekisyou
Seikinohomare
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And a couple more
By the way Ningyohime means 'Little Mermaid' - of course I, as a Dane, had to possess this.
Satsuma
Oh-edo
This one has no name.
Ningyohime
Daisetsurei
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I get little stomach flips when I see these ones. I am so envious. Kidney anyone? ;D
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Gunhild, you are so right... little gems to brighten dark days, thank you.
I think I am beginning to tolerate the doubles better , perhaps becasue they are so neat and tiny.
Ross, you have raised a giggle .... I've woken Lily from her doggy dreaming .
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Beautiful Gunhild,
I like "Senka" and "Sekisyou" especially.
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Amazing flowers, Gunhild. The weather is terrible here at the moment but your photos cheered me up. Hope to see much more of your hepaticas next spring.
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Thanks for posting your lovely photos, Gunhild, they do make the dull days without flowers brighter and I really like Sekisyou 8)
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OMG! How do you keep these alive? I bought some years ago and have none now. Please tell us how you look after them
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Thanks to all for positive comments. I have got a great deal of new japonica this year, and if you would like to see them you are welcome on my website www.gtpoulsen.dk
To Mark – You ask how I keep them alive – let me try to explain very short.
The first rule is a good drain. Rule no. 2 is a shady place from May to November.
And then proper fertilizer and water, and take care about fungus and other disease.
I grow japonica in my garden as well as in my greenhouse. In the garden I cover with a plastic box in winter. Don’t forget to make some holes for air circulation
If you want to know more about the procedure I use, you can see it on my website, the pages “how to grow” and “disease etc.”
http://www.gtpoulsen.dk/The%20Garden%20frontpage.htm
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A virtual tour around your garden is a real pleasure, Gunhild. Your website is beautifully presented and easy to use with some fabulous plants and really interesting information, including growing tips. I will certainly return to look around again and enjoy your photographs, thankyou.
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Thank you for sharing your garden and plants. Here in Aberdeen weather hasn't been so good so there is nothing better than strolling around a amazing garden, you can see your 30 years of hard work have paid off and those hepaticas are so special
The garden fills me with enthusiasm, cant wait till spring to get out in my garden, I have seen some good ideas.
Angie :)
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Amazing! 'Sekisyou' almost looks like a callianthemum!
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Thankyou Gunhild, I have just spent a very pleasant time looking at your superb website, I particularly enjoyed the Hepatica.
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Thank you to all for your kind words about my garden, website and Hepatica.
I think I shall add, that the way I grow Hepatica not is the “definitive truth” – there are lots of ways which can be just as good or better than mine, but my way works good for me.
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Gunhild,
I see your collection of Hepaticas increase very quickly but they are wonderful.
Today we had surprise in the garden because my Prof. Hildebrand are blooming.
What is name of Hepatica in English?
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Hepatica, Ewelina
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Hepatica, Ewelina
As in Latin...
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Hepatica, Ewelina
As in Latin...
Isn't hepatica nobilis called Liverwort in English?
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Isn't hepatica nobilis called Liverwort in English?
I can give you only polish word, perhaps it's of use for Google ;D PRZYLASZCZKA.
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Hepatica, Ewelina
As in Latin...
Isn't hepatica nobilis called Liverwort in English?
Well hepatica refers to the Liver and I see that online references to this use for liverwort/hepatica exists, but for most native english speakers, Liverwort is a type of moss or lichen.... I don't know the proper name for the type of plant : non-vascular?.... see Ian's recent bulb log for photos... it is the green "thing" with supposedly liver shaped green "cups" that spread all over pots and garden surfaces :P
See here;htt: ://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2009Nov181258556803BULB_LOG__46_comp.pdf
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I can give you only polish word, perhaps it's of use for Google ;D PRZYLASZCZKA.
What does this name mean Ewelina? I wouldn't like to try and pronounce it :-X
I like the Japanese name "Yukiwarisou" which means breaking through the snow.
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Polish name has nothing common with liver or liverwort but the German Leberblümchen means Liverflower or something similar.
I know the Czechish too PODLéšKA but this means the flower that grow near forest.
It's interesting. Could you write, what is name of Hepatica in your homeland?
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What does this name mean Ewelina?
It grow near forest as in Czechish (pronunciation: pshylashtschka)
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Gunhild,
I just caught up with your photos 2 pages back..... :o :o :o :o Amazing!! The first 4 your posted in particular are just glorious, and the very last one. Breathtaking!!! 8) Thanks so much.
Ewelina,
Good to see you have one out in flower as well. The start of those to come. ;D
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Hi Ewelina,
In Dutch it's "leverbloempje". Meaning "liver-flower".
And in French it's "Anémone hépatique". Again meaning "Anemone of the liver".
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I don't think I'm going to look at Hepaticas quite the same again.... Liverflowers? Sounds quite icky really. ;D ;D ;)
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The name is based on the "Doctrine of signatures" in herbalism because the leaf resembles the shape of a liver and was used to cure diseases of the liver. (that's what I've been told at least)
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The Russian mame of Hepatica is Печеночница (which is read as pechonochnitsa). It means liver+a typical ending for things of the female gender. So it is "she" in Russian.
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I'd guessing it was probably something to do with herbalism. Thanks. 8)
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wonderful flowers Gunhild 8) :o
In Swedish it is "blĺsippa" being a blue "sippa" and the other sippa are the Anemones and Pulsatillas that we have in Sweden. So only looking at the flower and the colour the red version is sometimes called rödsippa being red "sippa" but not so common to call it like that instead it has to be red blue sippa.
I thought the Czech name had something to do with hazel trees or hazel forests but I might be wrong.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Isn't common names very interesting
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Isn't common names very interesting
Common or vernacular names very interesting and often most enlightening.... but of course it is the latin name which helps us all to know to which plant we are actually referring, whether in Inverness or Istanbul! :)
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I thought the Czech name had something to do with hazel trees or hazel forests but I might be wrong.
Polish name PRZYLASZCZKA has something to do with hazel - only the same group of consonants. Ang. hazel = pol. LESZCZYNA ;D
The group L...SZCZ that is probably hard to pronounce for you.
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Hepatica, Ewelina
As in Latin...
Isn't hepatica nobilis called Liverwort in English?
Yes - or liverleaf. Hepatica is from the Greek hepar, the liver. This has a double reference: to the colour & shape of the leaves; whence comes the belief that they would be effective in treating diseases of the liver. For example, hepatitis.
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A bit more on 'liverwort'. 'Wort' is an Old English term (related to 'root') & meaning a plant which is useful for food or medicine. So 'liverwort' refers to a plant which is useful in relation to the liver.
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Yes, Gerry, all you say is true, but if I phone you and tell you I've got a terrible problem with liverwort, your first thought is not that I have an infestation of Hepaticas, is it? ???
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Yes, Gerry, all you say is true, but if I phone you and tell you I've got a terrible problem with liverwort, your first thought is not that I have an infestation of Hepaticas, is it? ???
No Maggi - I would suppose that you were finding your medicine ineffective.
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The Hungarian for Hepatica is májvirág = liver flower, and for liverwort: májmoha = liver moss.
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A bit more on 'liverwort'. 'Wort' is an Old English term (related to 'root') & meaning a plant which is useful for food or medicine. So 'liverwort' refers to a plant which is useful in relation to the liver.
Quite interesting - 'Wort' seems to habe the same origin as 'Wurz - Wurzel' which means 'root' in German.
The Hungarian for Hepatica is májvirág = liver flower, and for liverwort: májmoha = liver moss.
We call it also 'Lebermoos' - which is liver moss
Gerd
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Kata & Gerd - your contributions are very interesting. It seems that the common names in a number of European languages where there is a reference to 'liver' may be translations from mediaeval Latin - i.e., the texts of herbals.
Incidentally, Hepatica is (or was) known in the USA as 'liverleaf'.