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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: LarsB on February 02, 2009, 05:50:31 PM
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This year it is my ambition to remember to take pictures of my Pleione as they flower. Here are the first flowers of the year, a couple of hybrids between springflowering and autumnflowering, making them winter flowering. Nice feature that means you can have flowering Pleione from the end of September to june if you are lucky.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/pl-barcena5sm.jpg)
Pleione Barcena (Pln. formosana x Pln. praecox )
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/pl-sangay1sm.jpg)
Pleione Sangay (Pln. limprichtii x Pln. praecox)
Hopefully more to come.
Lars
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Great looking flowers Lars - very healthy too !
I don't grow these Winter flowering Pleiones so no sign of flowers here yet !
Thanks for showing them.
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I got them last winter so its' my first season with autumn and winterflowering Pleione. So far they have't been as difficult as i expected tehm to be. I'm more experienced in the springflowering.
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Lars, I have changed the title of this thread to " Pleione early 2009 " to enable posts from others here as their pleiones start to flower. 8)
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Preparing the ground Maggi ??? ;)
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I have high hopes, Luc!
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Hello,
Pleione humilis
(http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2397/pleionehumilis1jr2.jpg)
Best wishes
Ivo
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My first Pleione humilis
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Very nice Hans ! Rare to see Pleione with snow in the background ... :D
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It looks like it is actually growing outside and flowering in the snow. Do you grow it outside all year round?
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I grow only a few Pleiones outside round the year: forrestii, grandiflora, formosana alba and limprichtii. But they are well proctected from wetness.
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Hans, your P. humilis are stunning !!
Very good shape and colour :)
here is my first clone of Pleione forestii flowering, but a very pale one, not really brilliant :(
(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/11/84/35/03/eos5dm33.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=425&u=11843503)
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I do like the paler forrestii a lot! ;D
Here's my first few:
humilis
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj255/dan_tennant/Pleionehumilis1.jpg)
Askia 'Cinnabar'
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj255/dan_tennant/PleioneAskiaCinnabar.jpg)
Zeus Weinstein 'Desert Sands'
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj255/dan_tennant/PleioneZeusWeinsteinDesertSands.jpg)
Piton
(http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj255/dan_tennant/PleionePiton2.jpg)
Dan
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They're al exquisite Dan ! :o
I particularly like the fiery Aski !!! :D
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'Piton' is wonderfull !!
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Visited Ian Butterfield's nursery last weekend, and he sold me this nice form of P. humilis with deep red markings on the lips - two flowers from one bulb as well!
Cheers,
Alex
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Lucky you are !!!
very fine form.
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Very nice - I like the red lip a lot!
Dan
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These are my first flowers of the season;
forrestii - I am not sure if this is var. Vietnam that I purchased last year. It is richly coloured & has a fabulously frilled lip.
Eiger - I obtained this as a cream form but it is really a nice white.
Pinchbeck Diamond - considered to be an Eiger clone.
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Good pix, Pete.... that forrestii couldn't be any more yellow, or more frilly, could it?
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Well yes Maggie, it is a more golden yellow but my camera fails to capture the correct hue, (suppose I should get a new camera!)
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I agree - that forrestii is definitely a bit frilly! I like the Pinchbeck Diamond a lot - the throat has great markings.
Dan
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Well yes Maggie, it is a more golden yellow but my camera fails to capture the correct hue, (suppose I should get a new camera!)
I'd be pleased enough with a camera that took those shots for me, Pete.... 8)
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Great shots Pete ! The forrestii looks gorgeous !!
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Pete, as I don't really like hybrids, I'm only focusing on your P. forrestii witch is a really nice clone !
Especially the lip; Does it smell ??
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Fred - I havn't detected any scent at all unfortunately.
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Very strange, mine are very sweety :P
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My Pleiones start blooming today ...
Pleione Ueli Wackernagel the first (i thought it would be Plne forresti but it almost stop growing :( )
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Hello, Maxime, welcome to the Forum.
I have edited the size of your lovely pleione photo to make it better fit the page. :D
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Thank you ;), i'll take another picture of this hybride whe all my Pleione UW will be blooming ;D (i don't have any large pot to plant them altogether :( )
I have been visiting this forum for months but I dared not register till today, maybe I should have done so before ... (however Pleione are not really attractive during summer ::))
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Maxime,
Your Ueli Wackernagel looks great, I was wondering about buying this pleione but wanted the white form, but now I see your picture of the pink form I think she will be on my list for next year!
Hristo
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Forrestii, my first Pleione this year.
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Well done Slug !
Very nice pot and healthy flowers !
some different forms and colours.
Do you grow all of them in bark and is moss only for picture ?
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Glorious potful Dave ! :o
Love this Eiger clone Eric - very good markings !
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Hi, my main mix is melcourt potting bark and perlite, I don't bother with moss myself as I don't see and difference in the results ??? I do however use some fresh moss from the garden for photo's as it gives a better background and it also brings the yellow out which is sometimes difficult under certain light conditions.
Taken with black background today instead of moss.
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Latest to bloom - Rakata "Rock Dove" which is unlike any other other Rakata and always flowers early.
Very surprised to hear Dave"s comments on not using moss with Forrestii ,as I have found it very difficult to grow with even 50% moss mixture and now use 100% in open baskets where it grows and multiplies well. Many other species like Aurita ,Humilis and Hookeriana I find very difficult too without a high moss content.
Eric
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Lovely Rakata, not seen that one before.
I've tried all sorts of medium over the years and bark, perlite, little peat works best for me even on praecox and maculata. All do very well as long as they are watered sufficiently and a good Orchid feed is used during leaf.
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I use the same compst : 50/50 bark and perlite and found it very good since 2 years.
before, I added leafs, peat, moss without better results and more work ;)
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:o All these beauties ... are so gorgeous !
I'm not lucky with forresti this season, I'm almost sure, it won't bloom (its leaf is still growing)
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Hi ,
I'm not familar with this plants - I grow only few ( received via swaps )
Today is flowering here :
Pleione 'Rakata'
It was a present from a nice Lady from England before some years :D
I have no expierience with those plants -but after study the growing advices from 'Wisley ' ( Paul Cumbleton) are they growing fine ( Thanks )
Hans
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Didn't know you were "into" Pleione Hans !
Beware - pass auf - it's a very contagious desease... ;D
Very good rakata !
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Luc ,
you are very right !!!
.....I have shown this plant yesterday my wife and she answer :
"Yes it is nice ....but why do you have not yellow ones ?"
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Very sensible Lady you have Hans !
I'm sure something can be done about that ! ;D
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Maybe spray with yellow color ::)
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The pictures is a couple of weeks old and it has finished flowering. I'm just a little slow.
Pleione Eiger 'Pinchbeck Diamond'
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/PleioneEigerPinebeckdiamond2sm.jpg)
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/PleioneEigerPinebeckdiamond3sm.jpg)
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Pleione Brigadoon.
Katla.
another forrestii that I got from a German supplier last season. I think it is nice to see all the variations of forrestii people are growing. (This one is faintly scented.)
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Lovely pix, Pete! Photogenic flowers, aren't they?
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Here there's just one in flower, very untypically but one of my favourites, the yellow (indeed not as pale as the pic) Shantung 'Ducat'
Michael
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Some more offerings.
Eric
Leda
Leda 2
Riah Shan
Zeus Weinstein
Zeus Weinstein 2
Hekla Partridge x Zeus Weinstein
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what a wonderfull display of cultivars and hybrids !
thank's all for sharing this beauties ;)
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Great pics Eric. The Riah Shan is a terrific colour & unusual - superb.
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I've thought the Riah Shan is autumn flowering hybrid (P. bulbocodioides x P. maculata)?
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Great show everyone - the season seems to be well on the way.
I'll try and post some of mine tonight.
Eric,
I knew that Leda could be very different (love your first clone !), but it's the first time I see Zeus Weinstein as your nr 2 ! Astonishing !
Ria shan is a beauty as well - is it a rather smallish flower ??
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Here a new flower from today :
Tongriro
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Hi Eric,
Are you sure that your second picture is Leda and not Piton ? I saw it and immediately thought it was this hybrid....
Anyway, you have some fantastic Pleiones !
Regards,
Michael
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Hi Luc
Yes, Riah Shan flower is a little on the small side but most bulbs usually have two or three blooms which more than make up for this. These also flower over several weeks.
Karel-t
Yes,these are spring-flowering always flowering around mid March.
Michael
Yes, this is Leda not Piton . Leda flowers vary greatly in colour and shape .This has to be one of the best hybrids of recent registrations . I will try to post some more different clones.
Eric
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Two more clones of Leda.
Eric
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Pleione Leda is amazing !!!!
About Pleione Riah Shan, I'm happy to see a picture of it, I bought one last week but I've never found any photograph of the flower.
Like karel_t, I was surprised to know that it is a spring-flowering Pleione and not a automn-flowering one as one of its parent is Pleione maculata.
Anyway, all these Pleione are fantastic !!!
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Hi all ,
could please anybody send me the adress or a link of this german seller ?
Thank you
Hans
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I am amazed at the number of Pleiones shown in full flower at this time of year. My collection, although healthy have not yet started into growth. Have the varieties shown come into flower naturally or have they been artificially "forced" into bloom by heat.
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Hi Tom
Mine are all natural !!!
It has been very mild here the past couple of weeks and new ones are blooming nearly every day.
I will have over twenty different species/hybrids in bloom by the middle of next week , although many are still not showing as yet.
Eric
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There's a lot going on here at the moment !
Lovely Pleione everyone !
Here's some of mine : three P. eiger clones :
1) P. eiger 'To ah' - best showing the humilis patern on the lip.
2) P. eiger 'To be'
3) P. eiger 'To See'
I didn't invent the names... Jan Berg did - a great dutch breeder who passed away some years ago.
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Nice ! I got Plne Eiger to See this month but the flower felt down at the same time.
What is your favorite Eiger between this 3 forms ? ;D
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Nice Luc.
I assume they are all from the same seedpod ?
"The late" Jan Berg produced some nice hybrids ,including Riah Shan and some superb clones of Ueli Wackernagel ,which I will post photos of here later.
Eric.
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Pleione Leda is amazing !!!!
About Pleione Riah Shan, I'm happy to see a picture of it, I bought one last week but I've never found any photograph of the flower.
Like karel_t, I was surprised to know that it is a spring-flowering Pleione and not a automn-flowering one as one of its parent is Pleione maculata.
Anyway, all these Pleione are fantastic !!!
Hi, can you please tell me where you bought this Pleione from as I would like to buy one myself. Also what is the correct spelling as some people are using Rhia Shan and other Riah Shan?
Peter
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Peter
Correct spelling is Riah Shan ,and I own up to the incorrect spelling ,which I have corrected apart from on the original photo.
Only source I know of for these is Wubben Orchids in the Netherlands.
Jan Berg passed on several of his hybrids through this nursery.
Eric
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Peter
Correct spelling is Riah Shan ,and I own up to the incorrect spelling ,which I have corrected apart from on the original photo.
Only source I know of for these is Wubben Orchids in the Netherlands.
Jan Berg passed on several of his hybrids through this nursery.
Eric
This explain why Wubben also sells Pln Eiger to A, to B and to C.
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Hi
The first contribution is humilis this one has red speckling on the petals or are they the sepals I can never remember. I only have the one with this speckling not sure if this is unusual for this plant.
Its nice to see collections of different named Eiger photos by Peter Clarke, Eric, LarsB and Luc so my second photo is of the two best clones of Eiger I grow. The flowers on the left have six lines of yellow keels with red markings more like humilis, the flowers on the right have four yellow keels and has dark red lip markings.
This year a good 30% of my Eiger have had two flowers per stem and some other Pleiones in bud will also have two flowers per stem. It would be interesting to hear if anyone else is finding this happening more than usual this year?
Peter.
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Hi Rob
I think you will find P. Danan is a cross between P. limprichtii x P. humilis and early blooming because of humilis.
I am sure you are right the weather conditions one year affecting the growth the next. My Pitons are also showing double flower buds I cannot remember this happening with Piton before for me either.
Peter.
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P. x danan, i think hookeriana is in its parentage not to sure, shame its not that intresting but early blooms are nice to have :)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd120/robsorchids/Picture006-1.jpg)
rob
Hi Rob
you can just look on Paul Cumbletons website (Pleione) under Hybrids if you are not sure of the parentage.
Dave
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Peter,
Two very nice Eiger clones !! Beautifully marked !
Eric,
From what I know, the To ah - To be and To see series came from a cross Jan Berg made using P. formosana alba and P. humilis instead of the normal P. formosana and humilis that were used by Ian Butterfield when he firs crossed the two species back in 1979.
... and yes - I also obtained them from Wubben orchids - Jan Berg lived close to that nursery.
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Rob & Peter - I have a large proportion of Rakata clones & Zeus Weinstein having twin flowering shoots. However I have never had 3. (What is the most anybody has had or known of?)
Pl. grandiflora.
Zeus Weinstein.
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Hi Pete,
At my 2007 re-potting i 'found' one bulb in a pot of Katla which just looked wrong. It was twice the size of the others, so I potted it separately. I assumed it was a rogue bulbil from elsewhere. Anyway it WAS a Katla, and produced two stems with two flowers each, so that's my record. Four flowers from one bulb.
Tim DH
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Very good Zeus Weinstein Pete !!
Here are some of mine flowering right now :
1) pl. formosana 'Polar Sun'
2) pl. hekla 'Locking Stumps'
3) Pl. britannia Doreen
4) Pl. Ueli Wackernagel - a very pale pink form
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Luc,
I like the Ueli Wackernagel this has a very nice flower.
All the Eigers I grow are all unnamed Butterfield crosses.
Pete,
Some of the Eiger have two stems with two flowers on each. I have removed one plant from its tray to photograph and the roots are only just starting to show, the plant has been in flower for two weeks proving a point flower first then roots or am I keeping them too dry.
I have grown Leda for a few years with only one flower each year but this year two stems and two flowers on each stem.
Tim,
I had one bulb of limprichtii twice the size of all the others at the end of last year and like you I have potted this bulb up separately to see what happens this year.
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the plant has been in flower for two weeks proofing a point flower first then roots or am I keeping them too dry.
Not too dry at all, Peter. I believe this to be one of the most important lessons to learn in pleione growing.... it is so hard to convince some people that they should not water until the roosts are active. :P
Lovely to see these ones with four flowers :D
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Welcome Peter to the forum
Luc, your Uieli Wackernagel looks like another of Jan Bergs fine crosses.
Jan used the pollen from a Formosana Alba for his cross, which resulted in seven different clones. Three of these had nearly white flowers while the other four were rose coloured.
Some more Pleione all photographed today.
Another Zeus Weinstein clone
Grandiflora
Forrestii with a rather wide lip
Quinzapu Peregrine
Krakatoa Wheatear in it"s early colouration before changing to pink.
Eric
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Stunning hybrids everybody !
I did'nt know they were so many of them.
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Hi Eric,
The petal width on that Krakatoa is impressive. How far across is the whole flower?
The flower also seems to be well off the compost, or is that just camera angle?
Tim DH
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Hi Tim ,Nice to hear from you again.
Wheatear has a long stem of about four inches and the flower measures 2.5 inches across.
Eric
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Stunning hybrids everybody !
I didn't know they were so many of them.
Fred, there are hundreds.... many too similar! We are seeing some very good types here.
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Luc, your Uieli Wackernagel looks like another of Jan Bergs fine crosses.
Jan used the pollen from a Formosana Alba for his cross, which resulted in seven different clones. Three of these had nearly white flowers while the other four were rose coloured.
You're right Eric - it's new for me this year - obtained also from Wubben orchids.
I love the Quizapu Peregrine - tried it once but lost it... :'(
Fred, there are hundreds.... many too similar! We are seeing some very good types here.
Fortunately they don't only come in green and white now do they Maggi... ;) :-X
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Rob
Little buggers. Are you using fresh mix or have you got some left over from last year? I've noticed in the past that I've had some very small slugs appear in old Pleione mix. I put most of my Pleione out in the garden when warm enough and the adults must get in there then. To be honest though I've not had any trouble myself as they tend to leave my Pleione alone. Large caterpillars on my Cyps was devastating last year as it took me ages to find the culprits.
Search and destroy.
Dave
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Rob
Are you sure this is slugs ???
Mice rather like nice, plump, Pleione flower buds !! I would get the traps out if I were you.
Eric
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Pleione grandiflora.
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Nice Grandiflora Hans ! :D
I especially like the first one with the clear yellow throat !
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Superb plants johanneshoeller :)
I like them more and more as I'm watching all your pictures !
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Thanks for your welcome Eric.
I see you grow Quizapu ‘Peregrine’ have you had any problems with this plant as I have been told is not the easiest to grow.
Many of my flowers are a bit slow this year some more will be out in a few days but Rakata ‘Rock Dove’ has opened nicely with a big flower measuring 11cm across.
Peter
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Nice Rockdove Peter -
I see you grow Quizapu ‘Peregrine’ have you had any problems with this plant as I have been told is not the easiest to grow.
I can tell I've tried it a few years ago - it flowered nicely - ended the season with a small bulb - no flower the next season and gone by the end of that season... :( :-\
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Peter / Luc
I understand too that "Perigrine" can be difficult and often produces very small bulbs that fail to flower.
I have been growing this for a few years now with no problems and find it gives me fairly large bulbs, although is slow to increase. It certainly is a Pleione to treasure.
With regard to Rakata "Rock Dove". I have my doubts, if it is really a Rakata at all !!, as it is so different to the others,flowers much earlier and also sits on very tall stems unlike the rest . Possible Rogue I think .
Eric
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Hello everyone!
All of these beautiful plants make me green with envy. Here in the US there don't seem to be many suppliers of these fine plants. And the few that grow them keep them closely guarded, so very "slim pickings" here...LOL I am just beginning an interest Pleiones (1 maculata) and hope to be able to find more in the near future.
Dave (yes, another one) Cameron
Milwaukee
WI
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Hi, Dave, good to have you join in the chat ...... I know it is so frustrasting for many Forumists who live in areas where certain plants are in very short supply, if at all.... it's one of the joys to me of this forum that we can at least see and discuss them , even if we never manage to grow them.
P. maculata is a pretty swanky pleione to begin a collection with, I must say, good for you! 8)
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Thanks for the "Welcome", Maggie. I bought my 'mac' as a seedling...one of the few I've found here. We'll have to see how quickly I can kill it off...LOL
Cheers
Dave
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Pleione 'Zeus Weinstein' pale form (labelled as Pleione formosana x Pleione forrestii so ..)
Pleione 'Frank Kerr'
Pleione 'Jorullo Locking Stumps'
Pleione 'Vesuvius Leopard'
Pleione something, maybe x barbarae ? (labelled as Pleione aurita)
Pleione limprichtii
Pleione formosana x Pleione chunii
Pleione limprichtii x Pleione chunii
Pleione grandiflora
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Very nice series Maxime - looking all splendid !
I don't know what is is, but I don't think your unknown is x barbarae by the way.
My favourite is formosana x chunii - a very delicate pink !
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Hi Maxime
You have the same Pleione showing under different names. Which ever it is its very nice.
Pleione formosana x Pleione chunii
Pleione limprichtii x Pleione chunii
I think that Vesuvius leopard should have yellow/orange running through it as well. I don't have flowering size myself yet but just looked on the Pleione website in the gallery.
http://www.pleione.info/Gallery%20frames%20page.htm
Regards
Dave
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Hi Maxime
You have the same Pleione showing under different names. Which ever it is its very nice.
Pleione formosana x Pleione chunii
Pleione limprichtii x Pleione chunii
I think that Vesuvius leopard should have yellow/orange running through it as well. I don't have flowering size myself yet but just looked on the Pleione website in the gallery.
http://www.pleione.info/Gallery%20frames%20page.htm
Regards
Dave
I fixed the "problem".
Actually, it has an orange lip, but my camera "ate" the color of the flower. ;) And it is fragrant, I was really surprised !
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Wow Maxime, That's a serious colour eating problem!
I'd tend to agree with Dave, that doesn't look like Leopard to me either.
Here is a shot of what I (used to) grow under that name. Its about 95mm across.
Actually I don't think your camera is to blame because there is plenty of yellow on the daffs in the background.
Did you have it under artificial light?
Tim DH
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Folks, I have edited your pix to a width of 730 pixels for easy, no-scrill needed viewing for those with average screens..... I get a lot of requests to avoid scrolling werever possible. Please keep your posted pictures to around 730 pixels wide..... thanks!
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Will do Maggi.
Tim that is a stunning Pln Vesuvius. I've got a few that may flower this year, if they come out like that I'll be over the moon.
Maxime I like the Pln formosana x Pln chunii but think the Pln limprichtii x Pln chunii is nicer with the darker lip colour.
Keep them coming.
Dave
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A couple more White Pleione out this weekend.
Glacier Peak
Eiger Snowflake
Eric
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Mine is less orange, I bought it as Vesuvius Leopard (P. Christian), maybe not Leopard :(.
I can't notice the differences between other Vesuvius forms ???
I am not using artificial light, I have a veranda and a little greenhouse ;)
Will do Maggi.
Tim that is a stunning Pln Vesuvius. I've got a few that may flower this year, if they come out like that I'll be over the moon.
Maxime I like the Pln formosana x Pln chunii but think the Pln limprichtii x Pln chunii is nicer with the darker lip colour.
Keep them coming.
Dave
I prefer Pln formosana x Pln chunii shape, but it has pale colors indeed.
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Maxine
Here is another Vesuvius Leopard to compare with.
I find Vesuvius vary greatly, but am surprised yours are in flower so early as this Grex is usually one of the last to flower. All my clones will all be another month before blooming.
Eric
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I can tell I've tried it a few years ago - it flowered nicely - ended the season with a small bulb - no flower the next season and gone by the end of that season...
Hi Luc, from what you say I thing I will give Quizapu ‘Peregrine’ a miss and go for some of the easer hybrids.
Peter.
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Nice Pleione Eric !
Maxine
Here is another Vesuvius Leopard to compare with.
I find Vesuvius vary greatly, but am surprised yours are in flower so early as this Grex is usually one of the last to flower. All my clones will all be another month before blooming.
Eric
Yeeeah, mine looks like yours ! Not really orange, but not pink !
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With regard to Rakata "Rock Dove". I have my doubts, if it is really a Rakata at all !!, as it is so different to the others,flowers much earlier and also sits on very tall stems unlike the rest . Possible Rogue I think .
With regards to Rakata "Rock Dove" I agree with you Eric it appears to be way out of character compared with other Rakatas. Could this have come from a re-cross of Rakata?
Peter.
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Hi Maxime, nice selection of Pleiones you have.
With regards to the colour intensity of the photos, have you tried taken your photos with daylight behind or from the side with more shading behind the flowers? I have found photo taken towards a window you can loose colour on the subject. If this doesn’t help check the camera has the right light setting.
Peter.
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There were windows all around me except behind me (brick wall) ...
I don't want to look selfish, but I grow plants first of all for myself 8) ;D (even though I like sharing what I own)
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Peter
Rakata Rock Dove could well be a re-cross as this grex was first registered way back in 1982.
Rock Dove is far too vigorous a clone to have taken so long too appear I feel. This is a clone from Ian Butterfied who first registered Rakata, but as anyone with a reasonable collection will know, it is not uncommon for rogues to appear in the pans. Bulbils seem to fall everywhere at times and this I would think is the more likely way a rogue appears.
Peter/Maxine
You are correct Peter about the darker background improving the flower colour on photos, which is why most of mine are surrounded in moss . An easier way, but not so nice in my opinion, is simply to place a dark piece of card behind the pot.
I find also that the colours are far better if the shot is taken in shade rather than in any sunlight. Often further correction of white balance is still needed to render a truer colour.
Eric
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There were windows all around me except behind me (brick wall) ...
I don't want to look selfish, but I grow plants first of all for myself 8) ;D (even though I like sharing what I own)
I enjoyed your photos, Maxime, thank you!
P.S. Hope you had a good birthday yesterday, Maxime! Many Happy Returns o 8)f the Day!
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Hi Maggi,
Apologies for any inconvenience caused regarding pixel width.
I've spent half an hour fiddling with the various image manipulation freebies on my computer and
I THINK I can comply in future!
(I guess the software I'm using is fairly crude.)
Hi Maxime,
regarding the difference between Vesuvius forms, I posted a few photos of my favourite (V.Ember) on the
'Pans of Pleiones' thread before Christmas. (That thread is now on the second page of subjects)
Those photos are bigger,.... sorry!!!
Tim DH
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There were windows all around me except behind me (brick wall) ...
I don't want to look selfish, but I grow plants first of all for myself 8) ;D (even though I like sharing what I own)
Maxime
My intension was not to criticise and I also enjoyed your photos and hope to see more in the weeks to come.
Peter.
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My first two out, P. shantung Gwen and P. krakatoa. The krakatoa looks a bit different from previous years, the petals are much rounder this time, paler too..but the colour does vary a bit year by year.
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Mark
Shantung "Gwen" is a very nice clone that is not often seen now. I have found this a struggle to keep going! This was a re-cross made by John Mitchell many years ago ,alongside "Top Score" which is a crystaline white clone.
I wonder if your Krakatoa opened yellow before changing to this colour, as many do ?
Eric
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hi, the Krakatoa was a deeper pink other years. I was a bit disappointed when it first flowered as I didn't have any yellows.
"Top Score"..yes, sigh. I had it twice, never lasted. Lovely thing. Oh well we will see what else comes out this year.
The year before last I failed to do the yearly repot. If anything when I repotted in February this year the plants seemed better for it.
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Mark
If you like a nice yellow Krakatoa try "Dorset Cream".
Eric
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Very nice Eric. Currently I'm on a non replacement of Pleiones..they just maintain themselves here and the collection is slowly dwindling..I think this is now the second times it's happened so I guess they are trying to tell me something. I do like them but they are ambivalent about me.
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Mark and Eric,
Love the Krakatoa - will have to try it sometime.
I'm growing shantung Topscore (in its 3rd year now) :
1 flower first year but a rather small pseudobulb at the end of the season.
no flower second year but the bulb seemed to have recovered at the end of the season.
now presenting a fat bud which will hopefully result in a flower in a couple of weeks (maybe even a double flowered stem).
No bulbils as yet - so definitely not multiplying easily.
Mark,
You shouldn't let go Pleione... at the time, your website was one of the triggers to give me the P. virus...
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Beautifull apricot flower Rob !
How do you manage the seeds ?
Do you have in vitro laboratory ?
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Hi Folks,
At last! the season has started here!!
I'm thinking of taking this little fellow to the Chesterfield Show (S40 3NS) on Saturday to see what the judges think.
Anyone else going?
It's an Edgecombe, not the biggest of flowers, about 85mm across at the moment, but that actually reduces as the petals sweep back!
Tim DH
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Hi Tim,
I would imagine EVERYONE within striking distance will be at Chesterfield AND at the pub for a nice 'quiet' lunch! :P :P :P
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'quiet' lunch!
never experienced one of those myself ... ;D ;D ;D
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Tim
Your Edgecombe is very nice. Considering this hybrid was first registered in 1996 it is still not generally available. Is it rather slow to increase ?
I do intend to do my own cross of Edgecombe this spring.
Eric
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Hi Eric,
Checking back, my stock has taken 5 years to double.
So if the original registration was from a single flower, there might be six flowers in that pan this year!
As you observe, that probably accounts for it lack of availability!!
Tim DH
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As well as slow to multiply, I find Edgecombe is particularly susceptible to the 'Black Pit' fungus (Colletotrichum), which is another reason it is not readily available. It is such a shame as this cross has produced some of the most fantastic and unusual colours we have yet seen in Pleione breeding
Paul
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Edgecombe is a real stunner Tim !! :o :o
Paul,
How do you treat "black pit" fungus ??? Do you have any photographs of how it looks ??
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Rob & Peter - I have a large proportion of Rakata clones & Zeus Weinstein having twin flowering shoots. However I have never had 3. (What is the most anybody has had or known of?)
Pl. grandiflora.
Zeus Weinstein.
There followed some pix of multiflowered types ...... there are some on this page from last year, too...
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1186.msg41379#msg41379
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Pleione can be quite unpredictable can't they Maggi ! ::)
Here's some more from me :
1) P. Betty Arnold - a new one for me - the colour is more orange than the picture shows... - I love it !
2) P. shantung 'Ducat'
3) P. alishan 'Mount Fuji'
4) P. pleionoides (bought as P. speciosa in the previous century... ;D)
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Hi Luc
Betty Arnold looks nice and I must remember this for next years order.
With regard to "Black pit" you were asking about earlier. My method is to cut out the infected area with a scalpel dipped in medical quality Methylated spirit and fill the wound with sulpher. I find this works well, when needed.
My collection suffers very little from fungal problems as I dip all bulbs yearly in a strong fungiside solution prior to re-potting.
Eric
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Some more pix taken today.
Shantung "Golden Plover"
Shantung "Candyfloss"
Whakari
Eric
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One of the first Pleiones.
forrestii, a Butterfield hybrid (should be Ranier?), Locking Stumps.
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A few of my first to flower this year.
Bandai San
Brigadoon
Gerry Mundey
2 different Grandiflora
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A few More
Another Grandiflora
Hekla
Shantung Ducat
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Hi Maggi
Thanks for the link to last year’s multi flowered plants.
I have always had some plants with two flowers per stem but this year I am having more than usual and on plants I have only ever had single flowers.
The first photo must be an Australian Zeus with an upside down lips
Zeus Weinstein.
Marion Johnson cut from a larger photo.. the lip markings do not show up well in this photo.
Whakari. Photo taken outside the greenhouse.
Marion Johnson, Leda & Britannia.
Peter
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A few more from me, P. Captain Hook (one of my favourites) , P. Rakata "Locking Stumps", P. Piton, P. soufriere.
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So many beautiful Pleione pictures !!!
I'm almost dead ... because of envy ! ;D ( why is this a sin ?? :'( ;D)
Pleione Captain Hook is so ... gorgeous !
I enjoyed your photos, Maxime, thank you!
P.S. Hope you had a good birthday yesterday, Maxime! Many Happy Returns of the Day! 8)
You are welcome :)
Oh yes, it was a nice day ! 8) The chocolate cake was delicious ! :D
Hi Maxime,
regarding the difference between Vesuvius forms, I posted a few photos of my favourite (V.Ember) on the
'Pans of Pleiones' thread before Christmas. (That thread is now on the second page of subjects)
Those photos are bigger,.... sorry!!!
Tim DH
Nice Grex indeed, the way colors are limited is charming and the yellow is rather bright in comparison with other Vesuvius !
Maxime
My intension was not to criticise and I also enjoyed your photos and hope to see more in the weeks to come.
Peter.
Don't worry !!!! I'm not that touchy ! I meant I just did not do any effort to take nice pics even though I knew I was going to share them on the web ;)
Pleione scopulorum is opening, is it the usual flowering season for this specie ?? Should I put it in a colder place on the next year ?
I let it start growing in mid-march, is that too early ?
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Hi Mark,
Nice to see someones Else's Captain Hook. I'm also a fan of this hybrid, I find it very reliable.
How big is yours?
Mine is normally a bit small (around 80mm) tho' since it regularly puts up a dozen or more flowers in a 14cm pan I don't mind.
Its main fault, as far as I'm concerned, is that new roots regularly push out freshly planted bulbs, knocking over flowering spikes in the process.
Tim DH
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Hi Folks,
The Chesterfield Show was great fun, even tho' my little pot of Shantung 'Muriel Harberd' suffered the humiliation of a third prize in a class with only two entries!!!
Alpine Shows are a good testing ground, for growers, for plants and for ideas.
Here is a photo of my Edgecombe, sandwiched between a yunnanensis and a Brittania. The Edgecombe took second prize.
Here also is a photo of the first prize in the class 'One pan rock plant native to China'. (My x confusa was an 'also ran' in this class.)
You have to admire the skill in growing the stock and in preparing a pan for show like this. But am I alone in not actually liking the overall effect achieved?
Tim DH
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There has been a tendency with peione and with bulbs in general that judges like to see large potfuls... seemingly in an attempt to "prove" that the exhibitor has grown them for a number of years and not just splashed some cash on three or five for a potfull ::) :P
All nonsense of course,as so many prejudices are ;)
You will see in the report of the Edinburgh show and I repeat a pic here, of a HUGE ( a 40cm or 45cm pan) of Pleione 'Shantung Ducat' .... yes, all grown well, looking healthy, but can one actually appreciate the beauty of the flowers? I don't think so and I tend to feel that about all pots of overstuffed bulbs as well. It turns into a case of biggest is best and I would like to appreciate the glory of the plant as aopposed to sheer quantity. It is something we strove for when we exhibited.... trying to balance the judges' wishes with an aesthetic approach ..... not an easy task!
From the Edinburgh show.... an exhibit from master grower Cyril Lafong which has been nicknamed Pleione Shantung Bucket :-[
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Congratulations with the prizes anyway Tim ! Well deserved.
Your P. edgecombe is a beauty !
I do agree with what Maggi and you state.
Obviously it takes a lot of skill (and time) to grow a potful of just about any Pleione, but personally I'm not in favour of these potfuls of Pleione with pseudobulbs crammed in the pot against one another and flowers so crowded that they almost cannot develop properly.
On the other hand there's also something to say for the view of the judges trying not to reward the "capitalist" ??? buying in and potting up 4 or 5 bulbs and take them to the show a month later...
So far, I've limited myself to 7 bulbs in an approx. 20 cm (I've never measured them) pan. This year though, under the influence of seeing these crowded pots on shows and here, I've crammed 11 pseudobulbs of Asama in such a pot - they're opening now, but I don't think I'll be happy with the result.
I think I'll stick to 7 again next year. ;)
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Both the SRGC and AGS have rules that any exhibit must have been the property of and grown by, the exhibitor for at least six months before the show .... to allow ample time for the unskilled to kill any purchase!! ;D ;)
( This , of course, raises the question about any exhibit of a fast maturing monocarpic exhibit!! :-X :-\ ??? )
As many of you will know, my better half ( good grief, did I really write that?) ....my other half, Ian Young, regularly says to plant bulbs closely together and to pack them well in to a pot.... a contradiction with my words, do I hear you say? Well, no, not really, there is a difference between growing bulbs which seem to actively "enjoy" the company of others ... and display that by doing better when grown close , and growing so many in a pot that you can't see any one flower clearly. If one is very restricted in space then the fact that so many bulbs do well in close proximity to others is a distinct advantage .... but Ian also states that a similar effect can be acheived by using surrogate bulbs in the form of polystyrene ( stryofoam) peanut shapes to surround the real bulbs.... sounds crazy but it really works!! That being said... some application of artistic thought to the presentation of ANY exhibit is a good idea..... flowers poking at all angles out of a scruffy pot is never a joy! :P
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Of course they're magnificently grown but I really do agree Maggi that crowded pots do some plants disservice. Examples that come to mind are the huge pots of reticulata irises posted earlier and some of the frits. More is not always better. Especially if a plant is elegant I think it should be shown in a way that enhances rather than contradicts that beauty.
Easy for me to say of course; none of my plants come close to the amazing standard at these shows ::) ;D
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Pleione Captain Hook. I have trouble keeping this one going, not vigorous for me but delightful, so I keep trying to please it.
formosan Cairngorm.
Glacier Peak - seedlings flowering for me 1st time, seem all to be quite similar. (formosana Cairngorm used as one parent.)
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grandiflora.
Rakata ? Keith Rattray (one of my stray bulbils grown on - a huge, vibrant flower.)
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Very nice Pete !
Love the rakata !! What a colour ! :o
Here's some of mine :
1) P. rakata 'Shot silk' - a lot less vibrant !
2) P. kilauea 'Curlew' - one of the most elegant clones to my eyes !
3) P. tongariro 'Jackdaw'
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Pete
Interested to note that you "Glacier Peak" have a pink colouration to the petals.
If you see my earlier photo you will see that in the clone I have ,the petals are white.
My clone is a cross originating from Rainer Kretz.
Captain Hook does not like me either. :(
I have many photos I would like to post, but for some reason are unable to do so at present. :'( :'( :'( (OK Now see below)
Eric
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Some Pleione not often seen.
Burnsall China Doll strain
Jenny Kretz
Kituru "Sulpher"
Eric
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A few more ;)
Krakatoa "Painted Lady"
Kenya "Bald Eagle"
Formosana "Snow Bunting"
Marion Johnson
Eric
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Another photo of Krakatoa " Wheatear" to show the colour change.
Eric
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And some more ;) ;) ;)
Alishan "Soldier Blue"
Vesuvius "Ember"
Vicky
Scopulorum
Eric
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So glad that you persevered with your image posting, Eric. Beautiful pleiones in profusion.
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Cliff
Many thanks for your help.
Eric
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Eric, a delight to see these.
Kakatoa 'Wheatear' is a beauty.
Many thanks for getting to the root of your posting troubles and getting these here to share!
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A very impressive series Eric ! :o
I join my predecessors in thanking you for your perseverence ! I can tell you, it was worth the trouble and the wait ! ;)
Your scopulorum form is very special indeed - Kenya 'Bald Eagle' is my other favourite ! :D
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Hi Eric,
How true to colour are these photos?
I'm intrigued by the (almost) absence of yellow on the lip ribs of your Ember.
Apart from that: Congrats on flowering Scopulorum.
It passed out of my hands, unflowered, a couple of years ago.
Tim DH
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Hi Tim
Colours are as true as possible ,as I usually alter the white balance manually on all photos to get the best result I can. I have checked this against your photo in the pans thread ,but I guess your photo has been taken using flash going by the sheen on the petals ? and so is difficult to compare.
"Ember" is one sent from yourself ,so it should be the same as yours !! ;D
Eric
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Hi Eric,
Your right, I do use flash, tho' more as a fill in than primary light source.
I've just checked and today, without flash, I'd be shooting at a fortieth, not really sufficient for hand held.
Also, even tho' I normally shoot over a 'white' floor I find the lip tends to overshadow itself.
Anyway, to return to 'Ember', my guess is the development of the yellow must be temperature sensitive.
Not really a surprise given the parentage, only I hadn't noticed it on this cultivar before.
Apart from that here is my best ever pan of x confusa. I don't think it'll ever be a great show plant, given its (don't tell the Alpine folks) epiphytic habit of putting out flowers at odd angles.
This is a 2nd year pan, so all bulbs well rooted, and the flower on the far side was going out horizontally before the pot rim intervened
Talking of temperature sensitive colours I got it badly wrong on the attached San Salvador (214.01) this year. Another cultivar I don't think will ever make it big!!
Tim DH
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Tim, I gave up using flash to photograph Pleiones. I always found it caused over exposure of the lip or flare from the petals. Even sunlight gives me the same problems, so I prefer slightly cloudy days & use aperture priority to get depth of field. I hand hold the camera but don't have much problem with any shake.
Well done on producing such a good pan of confusa. I think it is superior to Shantung Ducat.
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Pete
Looks as though you have found the same problems as I have, with regard to taking photos of Pleione. ;D
I always avoid sunlight and usually find a shady spot . Most of my photos are also taken late in the day with manual adjustment of the white balance, to obtain a true colour.
Tim
Well done with your pan of Confusa
Eric
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May I add my congrats for that gorgeous P. x confusa Tim ???
Brilliant !
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A Few More ;)
Askia "Cinnabar"
Versailles "Heron"
Orinoco "Gemini"
Un-named Pink Shantung
Eric
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What an impressive collection of flowers being shown by all.
Most of my plants are very slow to flower this year showing buds but waiting for the flowers to open. I think maybe too much shading of the greenhouse. Some flowered early before I added more shading during a sunny sell, now there is a gap in the flowering except for these that have flowered recently.
My first Shantung to flower this year ‘Silver Anniversary’
Betty Arnold
Harlequin ‘Norman’
Peter.
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My first four clones of Ueli Wackernagel to flower this year.
Clones Pearl ,3 and 4 originate from Jan Berg"s cross
Eric
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Guys I am in awe, fantastic flowers and pics!
Eric, who must I give the kidney to for Askia 'Cinnabar'?
My little offering;
Good ole Pleione limprichtii and Pleione yunnanensis.
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Hristo
I believe Askia "Cinnabar" is one of Ian Butterfields early successes in breeding Pleione with red petals.
I am not 100% sure on this though. Anyway, this is a super clone that is quite vigorous and makes nice sized bulbs.
Eric
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Cheers Eric,
One to watch out for! Though I doubt I will find anyone near me who sells it!
Something to order this autumn! ;)
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Pleione scopulorum
Pleione x taliensis
Pleione something (x barbarae ?)
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A Few more taken today.
Surtsey "Catherine"
Helgafell
Jorullo "Locking Stumps"
Vesuvius "Grey Wagtail"
Eric
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And More ;) ;)
Brigadoon " Woodcock"
Asama "Red Grouse"
Aurita
Eric
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Hi everyone,
Apologies for my recent lack of posts but it has been a busy time for me. Anyway, here I can at last reply to a few things.:
Hristo - Askia 'Cinnabar' was indeed one of Ian's early successes in breeding Pleiones with red petals. He has several froms of Askia with red petals and as he thought some of them were better than this one he was going to throw this one away!! He allowed me to rescue it and to name it 'Cinnabar'. I thought that although some of his others were indeed a better red, the actual shade of Cinnabar seemed unique to me compared to the others - it is near to what I would call the crimson end of the red spectrum whereas the others all seemed more toward the purple-red end. I sold a few last year but this drained my stock, so I will not have any more for a while until I build up the stock again.
Luc- about Black pit, I like Eric cut out areas on bulbs and treat the cut with sulphur. I also use a fungicide to try and keep the problem small. Ones with Carbendazim or myclobutanil in them have some effect. About Glacier Peak - I have also made this cross and the offspring are quite variable from almost white to deep pinks, some of which have lovely yellow in the lip from the grandiflora parent. And about large pots with lots of bulbs in - I agree that they do not look very appealing aesthetically. In fact I like nothing better than to see just a single bulb in a pot with a single flower on it where the elegance of the flower can be most perfectly appreciated. That large pot of Shantung Ducat of Cyrils actually did not look like Ducat, which of course should be yellow, but maybe the photo came out the wrong colour.. Similar comment about Rob's picture of Orizaba Fish Eagle which looked very pale.
Finally Eric - I have really enjoyed seeing your photos! Thanks for sharing them - I must try and make some time to show some more too. Oh, and just a quick spelling check for the yellow Kituro - it should be 'Sulphur' not 'Sulpher', but I guess that was just a typo.
Paul
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A few more from me, P. Shantung Ridgeway, P. Shantung Ducat, P. Shantung Maryfield Clone, and P. x confusa.
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Some Pleiones, the first pic shows different grandifloras.
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Pleione Askia.
Pleione Brigadoon 1
Pleione Formosana Clare 1
Pleione Harlequin Norman 2
Pleione Krakatoa 1.
Pleione yunnanensis 1.
Pleione Zeus Weinstein a1.JPG
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Superb, Hans ... I love the markings on Brigadoon!
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and more from me;
chunii
pleionoides Blakeway-Phillips
Ueli Wackernagel (formosana Jack Frost x aurita)
Shantung Ducat (I have increased the saturation levels to get a more true yellow picture.)
Tongariro Jackdaw
Whakari
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Nice photos from you all.
Two very different clones of Santorini.
Eric
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A few more ;)
Spot nosed Monkey
Deriba
Burnsall
Irazu "Cheryl"
Eric
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And More :)
Orizaba "Fish Eagle"
Zeus Weinstein "Dessert Sands"
Eric
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Pete,
I love that P. whakari - great colour !
Eric,
Both Santorini's are equally beautiful !
I lost mine two years ago - :'( - but I should really have another go ! :D
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Heres some of my pleiones open at the moment
P. Shantung Ridgeway
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/90/62/29/img_0315.jpg)
P.Vesuvius Pheonix
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/90/62/29/img_0316.jpg)
P.Tongariro Jack Daw
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/90/62/29/img_0317.jpg)
P.Versailles Bucklebury
(http://i60.servimg.com/u/f60/12/90/62/29/img_0318.jpg)
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Welcome Dazza to the forum.
My first three clones of x Barbarae this season.
Eric
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Two more not often seen Pleione. :D
Melbury
Formosana Alba "Kate"
Eric
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And some more.
P. Kilauea 'Curlew'
P. Rakata 'Redwing'
P. Santorini
P. Santorini with Betty Arnold behind.
P. Alishan 'Merlin'
P. Shantung 'Ducat'
P. formosana 'Snow White'
P. Captain Hook
Peter.
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Pete ,your yellow clone of Santorini appears to be the same as mine :)
I believe there were only about seven different clones from the original cross and am not sure if any re-crosses are around .
Some more
Harlequin "Norman"
Taliense
Askia
Vesuvius "Phoenix"
Eric
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And more including another clone of Whakari.
Whakari
Zeus Weinstein
Eric
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Eric
Yes my yellow Santorini does look the same as yours, a bit like the cultivar Yellow Wagtail but with less red and yellow in the lip. I’m not sure how large the variation was or if there was a remake of this cross. I only have the two different clones of this cross myself.
Peter.
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In Czech Republic has also started a flowering season.
Here are a few of first:
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Great fireworks lads ! Stunning pictures.
Welcome to the forum Karel ! Great to see Pleione grown in the Czech Republic as well !
I love the different Whakari clones and I will definitely try Santorini again. Can anyone comment on how they get along with Santorini - have they prooved 'easy' ? multiplying well ??
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Superb display by all the contributors ... just wish I could grow pleiones! :D
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I don't even know which one I should praise, there are so many beautiful plants in this thread. :o
Here is a clipping from my collection of huge bulbs:
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Luc - Santorini does prove to be a fairly easy Pleione to satisfy ,often making very large bulbs. As often is the case , like many hybrids ,some some clones are easier than others to grow and multiply. Also they have the odd off year too. :'(
I really like Santorini and this is one I would not want to be without.
A few more hybrids
Stromboli "Robin"
San Salvador
Rakata "Blackbird"
Kilauea "Curlew"
Eric
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Absolutely stunning!
One day one day.......
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Some more including a Shantung sold as Silver Wedding, but am not sure this is correct as I believe it should have more pink on the petals .Any comments welcome on this.
Shantung "Silver Wedding" ????
Shantung "Top Score"
Tongariro "Jackdaw"
Eric
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Some more from my collection ;)
Giacomo Leopardi
Rakata "Keith Rattray"
Paricutin
Santorini (clone 3)
Eric
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So many colours, shapes and varieties!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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A couple more. 8)
Pleionoides
Erebus "Redpoll"
Shantung "Pink Panther"
Eric
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Eric, you seem to have an endless stock of Pleione :o :o
shantung 'Pink Panther' is one I've never heard of before ! Very nice !
oh that Santorini.....
Already on my list for next Autumn ! ;)
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A few next flowers.
In Czech is still too cold, so I still wait for a main season. >:(
Pln. Katmai 'Crossbill'
Pln. limprichtii
Pln. Piton
Pln. Santorini
Pln. Rakaka 'Shot-Silk'
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Karel - Nice photos.."Crossbill" looks nice ,have not seen this clone of Katmai before.
Luc - Glad youself and other forumists have enjoyed my photos.
I have over many years added more and more Pleione to my collection ,which now extends to over 150 different species and hybrids. This year I decided I wanted to update and improve on the images of the plants that I grow and am taking new photos of most as they come into flower. I thought it would be nice at the same time to put a selection on the forum for others to see . I still have a fair amount to go and will continue to post these as and when they are taken . In the past I have often purchased new varieties with only a description to go by as finding photos of most is at best difficult and thought these photos might help others to have an idea what each variety should look like before deciding to purchase.
Shantung "Pink Panther" is very new to me also and I only saw it for the first time yesterday when I made the purchase. ::) I understand this clone was originally rejected , :o as it was thought to be "too girly".
I thought this clone had a nice amount of (soft) pink on the petals, unlike most "Pink" Shantung that only have a pink flush to them. I would think this clone will look super as a decent pan of plants and look forward to this in the future.
Happy Growing to you all.
Eric
Fiona Hall - which is amongst my favourites ,opened today (although this is last years photo).
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You are quite correct to think that your photos are of both interest and information, Eric. thanks for sharing.
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Now the Pleione season has started!
Pleione yunnanensis (different forms)
Pleione Adams
Pleione Berapi Purple Sandpiper
Pleione formosana Avalanche
Pleione spec.?
Pleione Paricutin
Pleione spec.?
Pleione Surstey
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Luc - Glad youself and other forumists have enjoyed my photos.
I have over many years added more and more Pleione to my collection ,which now extends to over 150 different species and hybrids. This year I decided I wanted to update and improve on the images of the plants that I grow and am taking new photos of most as they come into flower. I thought it would be nice at the same time to put a selection on the forum for others to see . I still have a fair amount to go and will continue to post these as and when they are taken . In the past I have often purchased new varieties with only a description to go by as finding photos of most is at best difficult and thought these photos might help others to have an idea what each variety should look like before deciding to purchase.
Happy Growing to you all.
Eric
Fiona Hall - which is amongst my favourites ,opened today (although this is last years photo).
150 different Pleione :o
Well, that beats my 50 or so... ;)
As you have these different unnamed Santorini clones, I think you must be a regular visitor of Ian Butterfield so that you can make your choice "on the spot".
Most of the time I've also been buying from descriptions in the past but with these hybrids (ex. Leda) that can be so variable, that can prove to be succesful as well as disapointing... :-\ so it's great to see as many pictures as possible ! ;)
I hope to post some more of mine tonight.
Hans,
Another very fine batch ! I love P. adams - very vibrant colours !
Karel,
Don't be disapointed with your late season - we'll be patiently waiting for your pictures !! ;)
Your very nice santorini has a very different colour from what Eric showed !
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A question for you all.
For the past few years I've noticed that the smaller darker Pleiones, P. Tolima, P. el pico etc don't seem to be opening fully. Any ideas why? The Shantungs, vesuvius, Rakata's open fully. Might it be they are too dry (I don't water at all until the leaves start to grow)..some temperature issue?
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Mark,
I have the same problems! Too dry?
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Perhaps..if the pseudobulbs are smaller maybe they need more moisture, but then there isn't that much root. Maybe misting is the answer. Or perhaps they need more light? I know they weren't always like this.
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Mark,
I have same experience with P. pleionoides this year. In one pot half of them have opened fully, but half not. So I think it isn't problem of watering or temperature.
Erik,
the Katmai 'Crossbill' is very nice Ian's selection.
Karel.
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Rob - Rakata Redwing and Skylark are far from looking similar . :o :o :o
Perhaps you have them labelled wrongly ? ???
Rakata "Keith Rattray" is also very different to the more usuall clones. Your photo looks wrong to me, but it is very pale !!
Photos for you to compare with your plants.
Eric
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Hi Eric,
I've been away a few days, and I've come back to a feast of photos!
On the subect of numbers, I'm trying to reduce my collection (from 85 cultivars) and your photo's aren't helping!
On the subject of Shantungs, 'Silver Wedding'(R6.34) is very pale.
Dad actually catalogued it as white, but its not quite.
I stopped growing it a couple of years ago in favour of 'Natasha'(R6.40)
(My parents have now passed their Golden Wedding, so I think dropping R6.34 is forgiveable!)
On the subject of Pl. V. 'Ember' I finally got round to taking a flash free shot for you.
The confinement of yellow to the lip ribs is one of the things I like about this cultivar.
(I've decided I quite like grass as a background!)
Tim DH
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P. shantung 'Natasha' looks very nice Tim - I love the colourful lip !
V. ember has become a favourite of mine since you first posted it and it looks even better in natural light !
Here's some flowering for me at the moment :
1 and 2) P. asama - we talked about crowded pots earlier on.
These are 11 bulbs giving 15 flowers.
3) P. orizaba 'Fisheagle'
4) P. deriba
5) P. pleionoïdes - ex Mt Omei
6) P. x barbarae
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Hi Tim
Hope the photos have changed your mind on down-sizing your collection ,if not I know of a nice home for them. ;D
Thanks for the "Ember" photo . In natural light it now looks like the plant I have. I did try to take one with flash and the results were very similar to yours .Nice but not quite correct ,I feel.
Thanks for your comments on "Silver Wedding".I have always thought this had more pink on the petals.My photo still looks a different plant though to yours,so whats mine I wonder. ???
I assume both your photos are of SW as the lovely "Natasha" I know is very much pinker.I do not have this now, although not for the want of trying. :'(
I have added the plant I know as Natasha as an attachment, but this photo is a copy from an old Craven list.(sadly now not trading).
Luc - An unusuall clone of "Deriba", with no sign of any yellow.
Eric
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A few more.
Asama "Bittern"
El pico "Goldcrest"
Pleionoides
Pavlof - which is an unusuall clone that used a White Forrestii in the cross.
Eric
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Rob - Sorry :-[ ,I forgot to include a photo of Rakata "Keith Rattray".
Here it is. Hope it helps.
Eric
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Luc - An unusuall clone of "Deriba", with no sign of any yellow.
Eric
It's a new one flowering for the first time with me.
I was just as surprised as you not seeing any yellow.. ??? I hope it's correctly named - I'll make some enquiries with the supplier.
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Hi Luc,
I don't think your Asama pan is 'crowded'.
If that's how you planted them for the coming growing season, then fine.
It's showing all the traits I value in a good cultivar.
How big are the flowers?
Do you think the grex has any advantage over Vesuvius?
By 'crowded' I mean a pan which appears to have been just assembled for a show and, one suspects, will be dis-assembled immediately after the show!!
Apart from that, do you have any 'provenance' info. for your Mt Omei?
Hi Eric,
My photo R6.40 above is 'Natascha'.
The 'Craven' photo you showed has a Shantung lip but I've never seen petals like that on a Shantung!
Has anyone else got a view on those pink petals?
Tim DH
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Hi Tim
I did purchase "Natasha" from John Craven many years ago on a couple of occasions and that photo is a fairly good likeness to the Pleione I received.
Eric
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Hi Luc,
I don't think your Asama pan is 'crowded'.
If that's how you planted them for the coming growing season, then fine.
It's showing all the traits I value in a good cultivar.
How big are the flowers?
Do you think the grex has any advantage over Vesuvius?
By 'crowded' I mean a pan which appears to have been just assembled for a show and, one suspects, will be dis-assembled immediately after the show!!
Apart from that, do you have any 'provenance' info. for your Mt Omei?
Tim DH
Hi Tim !
I'm quite happy with my asama - I like it for it's strong colour, reliability and it multiplies extremely well. I should have some to spare if you're interested. The flowers are between 8 and 10 cm and last for about a fortnight depending on how warm it gets.
When I mentioned that the pan gets overcrowded I meant that it can be a nuisance if the flowers cannot fully develop and you can't admire their beauty in full.
I find the grex more reliably multiplying than Vesuvius does (with me anyway... ::) ) I've grown V. 'Tawny owl' but lost it :'( - now I only grow V. aphrodite which did well last year but now shows a bud sitting there unchanged for at least 2 to 3 weeks... which starts to worry me.
I do prefer your V. ember to both of these though.
As to the Pleionoides from Mt Omei - I got it from Ian Butterfield who simply states in his catalogue that it was grown from original stock collected on Mt Omei.. (China I guess) - maybe somebody else knows more about it. I like the dark red lip though !
Cheers,
luc
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Two more clones of x barbarae
X Barb "Rose Quartz"
x Barb Lavender Clone. ( A superb clone that produces huge 7cm long bulbs ) In my top three favourites.
Eric
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And more ;)
A pale Whakari.
"Very spotted" Spot-Nosed Monkey.
Arkengarthdale
Luc - Mt Omei is in Western China.
Eric
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Eric, Hans, Luc.... Wow!!!!! Stunning everyone!! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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A few more from me;
Piton
another Ueli Wackernagel
Quizapu Peregrine
coronaria
Edgecumbe - 2 seedlings flowering for the first time. The first I am very pleased with as it is a good sized flower & vigorous. Unfortunately the petals are showing more pink hue then actually present.
formosana Clare - the lemon yellow lip markings have almost faded away completely, so an almost completely white flower. Has anybody else had this happen to their plants?
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Pete . Great photos . ::) ::)
Lovely to see your Coronaria as it is so rare and also your clones of Edgecombe ,which are superb.
Eric
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Pete,
Wonderful pics. The Pl. coronaria is so different (and SO good), and the second edgecumbe seedling has fascinating colourations within it. Beautiful!!
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A few more.
Arkengathdale 2
Volcanello "Song Thrush"
Piton
Santorini 4
Eric
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A few more.
Askia - which is very similar to "cinnabar" but with a more "Orangey" lip.
Shantung "Christine"
Matupi "Golden Oriole"
Eric
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A couple of Mystery Pleione.
Mystery 1 - This appeared from a batch of Versailles bulbils I was given and with this lovely lip someone must be able to identify it.
Mystery 2 - This beauty was sold to me as a Glandiflora :o It has similarities to Krakatoa but flowers much later,does not change colour and is a different shape.
All opinions welcome.
Eric
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A Few more
Burnsall
Chunii
x Barbarae
Eric
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Another impressive couple of series Eric !! :o
Can't help you with the ID's I'm afraid - but both very nice flowers.
I've rarely seen such a pale P. chunii.. it's almost white ?? Looks great.
Santorini 4 is another gem ! Beautiful lip !
Love the shantung 'Christine' as well - I don't think I've seen it before.
I'm coming to the conclusion that there's none I don't like... ;D
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Luc - This Chunii is almost white unlike the other I have in flower at present, which has much pinker petals but not the lavender markings on the lip of the first photo.
Not many I don"t like either . ;D ;D ;D
Eric
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;D Thanks Paul help me finding such a wouderful thread~
here's my aurita and aurita albiflora
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Greetings, Yang! Very good to have you join the Forum. beautiful blooms in your photos, thank you.
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After some white and white/yellow grandiflora some different grandiflora from my collection. The colours are much darker than you see and the flowers are very tall!
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Hans - Some very colourfull x Barbarae. 8)
Amazing the variety this natural hybrid produces.
Yang - I do like your White Aurita. :P This is certainly on my wants list.
Eric
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Hi everybody,
so in Czech has definitely started the main season I think.
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Lovely batch Karel !!
Great stuff ! :D
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Hi Yang,
Your white aurita is stunning. I had read that aurita can sometimes be white but I had never seen one before and I was beginning to think that white aurita did not really exist (the only other picture I saw that claimed to be one was actually P. chunii and was not truly white but a very pale pink). Thank you so much for sharing this picture with us. I am like Eric - and probably lots of other people! - who would love to obtain one of these someday. As far as I know, no-one in the Uk has one. Co-incidentally, I have just flowered a hybrid called Ueli Wackernagel that has aurita as one parent, which was a sibling cross between two pale pink flowered forms. Two of the offspring have flowered with pure white flowers. Pure white hybrids are almost unknown so I was extremely pleased with these. I will post pictures soon in the topic for my own hybrids.
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Eric,
are you sure that my pics are from x barbarae?
What is x barbarae or are all plants grandiflora (many people identify only white Pleiones as grandiflora)?
At some locations you can only find pink grandiflora (=x barbarae??). Who is the partner, when there are no other Pleiones?
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Hans
Originally it was thought that Glandiflora had either white or pink flowers . More recently it was thought that the Pink forms could be a natural hybrid between the true White grandiflora and either Bulbocodioides or Pleionoides because -White forms generally flower earlier than Pink forms and the huge variability of the Pink forms.
Several years ago Kew Gardens examined many flowers and also carried out DNA analysis. Results showed that the pink forms are indeed distinct from the white ones. Also that they vary in colouration,size of the flowers and in the morphology of the lip than the white ones and often make particularly large pseudobulbs. DNA analysis confirmed that the pink forms are a probable hybrid, with the white Grandiflora as one parent and Bulbocodioides (or similar species as the other). They concluded that these Pink flowered hybrids should ALL be called P x Barbarae and NOT Glandiflora.
With regard to the parents being found at different locations - Grandiflora is generally thought to be found in more southern locations to either of Bulbocodiodes or Pleionoides . It is possible that that known collection data is not correct and it is also possible that at some time in the distant past that these species did grow in the same locations.
Eric
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Back to the Photos.
El Pico "Kestral"
Fuego
Taal "Red Tailed Hawk"
Eric
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Thank you Eric!
Some new Pleiones from my collection
Pleione aurita 2
Pleione Orizaba 1
Pleione Stromboli Fireball 1
Pleione Versailles Heron 1
Pleione Volcanello Song Thrush 1
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I do not understand anything: We say x barbarae is a hybrid between grandiflora and ? (pleionoides or bulbocodioides). We produce so many wonderful hybrids, but there is not one hybrid of these Pleiones which looks like x barbarae! I have tried, but lost all seeds due to a flood in 2002.
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Two new flowers from today.
Pln. Santorini 'Yellow Wagtail'
Pln. Soufiere
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I do not understand anything: We say x barbarae is a hybrid between grandiflora and ? (pleionoides or bulbocodioides). We produce so many wonderful hybrids, but there is not one hybrid of these Pleiones which looks like x barbarae! I have tried, but lost all seeds due to a flood in 2002.
Hans - There are not many hybrids registered to date that use x Barbarae as a parent.
There is one however that does look very much like some x Barbarae clones.
Vicky (Bulbocodiodes x X Barbarae )
I have used x Barbarae myself for a few crosses, but these are a few years away from flowering.
Karel - Nice to see a photo of Santorini "Yellow Wagtail". I will add this to my List for Autumn. ;)
Eric
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Two "sister clones" of x Barbarae that both produce Huge 7cm long bulbs of the same shape.
Both these clones are very slow to increase and refuse to flower until the bulbs are about 5cm long.
Brown -spotted clone has taken me five years to re-flower after the mother bulb rotted and left me with only a small offset.
Eric
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Erik - P. Santorini ‘Yellow Wagtail’ is by my opinion the best selection of Santorini.
About taxonomy of P. x barbarae: Here is a split between two using taxonomy at the moment. In England is accepted mainly the taxonomy by Cribb, which separate P. x barbarae from P. grandiflora on the basis of DNA. However in Central Europe (including Austria) is accepted also a taxonomy by Torelli, where P. x barbarae is non-exist natural hybrid and is described only as a pink form of P. grandiflora. I think, we need much more tests of chromosomes and DNA from different natural places to be sure. ???
Last Friday I was in England to visit Ian Butterfield. Here are a several photos of his plants the most interesting for me.
P. Jake Butterfield, P. Michael Butterfield and P. aurita x P. coronaria are the new crossing. :o
P.-Jake-Butterfield.jpg
P.-Michael-Butterfield.jpg
P.-aurita-x-P.-coronaria.jpg
P.-Suswa.jpg
P.-Suswa-'Sand-Plover'.jpg
P.-Marion-Johnson-'Winchat'.jpg
P.-Shasta.jpg
P.-Krafla-02.jpg
P.-Krafla-'Kimi'-01.jpg
P.-Diler-'Sandpiper'
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A little bit more about x barbarae. The DNA work done by Cribb does show that these plants are hybrids even if there is some uncertainty as to the exact identity of the second parent. They are certainly not just pink forms of grandiflora as the genetics rules out this possibility. Has Torelli written anything about his reaction to the DNA work? - I beleive his book was published before the DNA work was done.
As growers have seen, these pink x barbarae actually vary quite a lot in appearance and intensity of colour and they are found like this in the wild. They form what is called a "hybrid swarm". This is where initially two pure species cross with each other, then the offspring back cross to the parents and then the resulting hybrids from those crossings start crossing with each other. Over time, individuals are produced that vary quite a lot in appearance from each other because of the varying amounts of back-crossing and re-crossing that has happened. This may have all happened over hundreds or even thousands of years. This also gives some reasons why populations of x barbarae are found without any obvious "parent" species around. As Eric said, the parents may have grown in the area long ago but have since died out, leaving only the offspring, or the constant crossing, back-crossing and re-crossing has meant that all the original parents got crossed leaving just the hybrid offspring and no "pure" parent material survives. The end result is the hybrid swarm.
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Paul - I agree that DNA tests are absolutely demonstrable. Do you know the date of Cribb's test? I think, Torelli updated his taxonomy last in 2002.
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Pleione formosana alba
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Karel - terrific pics of Ian Butterfield's plants, thanks for showing us some of his superb breeding efforts.
Rob - Shantung "Christine" is a very nice form & looks quite different to most Shantungs. Does it fade to almost white over days?
It is interesting to see everyones different x barbarae, here is my first to flower. (Bought as grandiflora - & some in the batch were.)
Shantung - a very floppy flower but has a nice big lip, bought many years ago.
Volcanello
Another Ueli Wackernagel clone.
What is this? I think it may be a form of Vesuvius. Any suggestions would be welcome.
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Out of all the Pleiones in my collection , Littondale "Oxnop" is one I really look forward to flowering again.
I do find this beauty rather slow to increase which is why ,I guess, so rarely available.
It has taken me several years from my one original purchase to reach a pan of seven flowering pseudobulbs.
I am very happy, as the first one opened today. ::) ::) ::)
Karel - Thanks for sharing your photos from your visit to Ian"s . Great ! :P
Eric
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What is this? I think it may be a form of Vesuvius. Any suggestions would be welcome.
Hi Pete
Another fine batch of photos.
Looks like a vesuvius to me and very much like "Grey Wagtail ". I did post a photo of this earlier if it is of any help.
Your Volcanello clone is superb and much better ,even than the photo shows. :)
Eric
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Paul - I agree that DNA tests are absolutely demonstrable. Do you know the date of Cribb's test? I think, Torelli updated his taxonomy last in 2002.
Hi Karel,
Cribb's DNA work was published in 2004, so a couple of years after Torelli's taxonomy.
Cheers
Paul
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Two "sister clones" of x Barbarae that both produce Huge 7cm long bulbs of the same shape.
Both these clones are very slow to increase and refuse to flower until the bulbs are about 5cm long.
Brown -spotted clone has taken me five years to re-flower after the mother bulb rotted and left me with only a small offset.
Eric
I think they're well worth the wait Eric - they're two beauties !
I agree with you on Littondale Oxnop - a real little stunner ! I tried it once but lost it in it's second season... :'(
Karel,
Thanks very much to show us some of Ian's latest wonders ! I definitely must find the time to go and visit.. ::)
A great batch you showed us Pete and, like Eric, I find your Volcanello truly superb !
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Luc - Those x Barbarae clones,particularily the Lavender clone and Littondale "Oxnop" are in my top five . :)
Pete"s Volcanello is a very vigorous clone making large bulbs with very large flowers too.
Two more clones from Jan Berg"s Ueli Wackernagel cross .
Eric
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Three more including a lovely deep Pink x Barbarae .
Etna "Bulfinch"
Jorullo "Long -Tailed Tit
X Barbarae
Eric
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Paul - thank you for information. I think now is everything clear.
Several next from Czech.
Karel.
Pleione aurita
Pln. Callisto
Pln. Masaya 01
Pln. Stromboli 'Fireball'
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Just catching up on this topic after a while without viewing it. Some amazing stuff in here, that is for sure. Thanks everyone.
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Ian Butterfield's stand looked great as usual at the Malvern show yesterday, see attached pics.
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Very nice Rob, thanks for taking us to the show
Kind regards
Joakim
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Rob - thanks for sharing your Malvern show pics.
A few more from me.
El Pico "Pheasant"
Erebus "Brambling"
Myojin
Eric
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A couple of very nice Bulbocodioides clones.
Bulb "Dali"
Bulb "Papillon"
Eric
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Eric your bulbocodioides look fantastic.
One of mine - P. bulbocodioides 'New Forrest'
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Karel
"Papillon" makes very large bulbs but can be difficult to flower ."Dali" is just difficult. :'( ,which is a shame as it really is a lovely clone.
Very interested to see "New Forrest" ,as I tried this clone many years ago and lost it without ever flowering it.
Eric
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If only it were possible to just go to a show and buy Pleione's like that here! ::) You lot are SO lucky!! ;D I hope you all realise that. ;)
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Paul - Many on this side of the world would rather be where you are. ;D ;D ;D
Vesuvius "Tawney Owl"
Eric
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Beautiful flowers. Here's one that took my fancy, so I bought it off Rob Potterton at the Glasgow show last weekend. 'Jackdaw'. It has been brightening up my kitchen for the last 9 days!
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The last 2 xbarbarae clones to flower. The first is flowering for me after 6 years, when I was given them as small bulbils. It is a much bigger & brighter flower than any of my others.
Ian Butterfields stand at Malvern - excellent as usual. Some of those that appealed to me;
Alishan "Mothers Day"
Kenya "Bald Eagle"
Volcanello "Song Thrush"
Leda
Gerry Mundey
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Some Pleione x barbarae have opened their flowers today, and an aurita
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Eric, P. bulbocodioides ‘New Forrest’ is easy grow selection by my opinion. It’s very good propagated and flower every year.
Hans - you have got really amazing collection of P. x barbarae. :o
Here are several new flowers from today. Another nice selection of Santorini and some P. x barbarae.
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The show keeps going on !
Wonderful pix everyone.
Mine have finished flowering and I found this on some leaves of Pleione formosana alba 'Polar sun'.
Any idea what it is ? Is it harmful ? What can be done about it ??
Thanks for any help
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Hi Luc
I was hoping, perhaps Paul C might answer this for you.
This could be Fungal, but is it possible that this plant has been subject to too much sun/heat ?
If it is Fungal I would treat with a systemic treatment.
Eric
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Hi Eric,
Thanks for your tip.
It surely cannot have been too warm, but I noticed this just 2 or 3 days after I've brought my Pleione to their Summer (outdoors) residence.. ;D
And I remember that one of the first nights they were out - the temperature dropped to only +1°C or so... could it possibly be from a cold shock ?? ??? ???
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And I remember that one of the first nights they were out - the temperature dropped to only +1°C or so... could it possibly be from a cold shock ?? ??? ???
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Luc -you could be correct about this as sudden temperature changes do affect leaf colour as can often be seen if pruning shrubs late in the year or not hardening off plants well before placing outside. I always try to put any Pleione outside only in a warm spell.
Hope these plants recover for you.
Eric
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I have seen the same appearance with Cypripedium and there is was due to too much sun (when the leaves are young) - I think so.
Most Pleiones do like colder temperatures in the morning and feel very well! We often have temperatures near 4°C even in July or August and no demages. Maybe it could be a fungus, too.
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My last Santorini clone to flower. :(
Eric
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A couple of late-flowering Pleionoides clones.
Eric
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What lovely strong colours and markings. Nice!
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Better late than never Eric !
They were worth waiting for !! :o :o
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Better late than never Eric !
They were worth waiting for !! :o :o
Luc I still have a few still in flower and a few more to come,including Hookeriana,Scopulorum and a very late Chunii .
I have in the past had flowers from October through to the end of July. :)
Eric
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I have in the past had flowers from October through to the end of July.
You can't say fairer than that, Eric... a good season indeed. :)
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Maggi
It is possible to extend the Pleione flowering season to 11 months, as there are some Chinese Maculata clones ,I have seen, that start flowering at the end of August. ;)
Eric
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One of the last Pleiones in a thunderstorm
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Hans - What a lovely lip ! It certainly looks rather wet .
I still have Chunii ,Hookeriana and Scopulorum still to look forward too. 8)
Eric
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Hi everybody.
This year I've tried for first time my own crossing. So I've now several green seed pods and I'm looking forward for the result :P.
Hans - I've very bad experience with sprinkling on opened flowres :(. Do you think it's OK?
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Hi Karel
Your seedpod is coming on well and should be ready to sow in a flask sometime in November.
Eric
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Karel,
I have no problems with the flowers of the very late flowering Pleiones due to wet weather. I grow all my Pleiones outdoors (not protected from rain) from May to Oktober.
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My last Pleione to flower this year is a clone of Pleionoides. :o :o :o
I often have my last flowers into July, but these are always Hookeriana, which this year only made it to mid-June.
Eric
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Very late but very nice Eric ! I've never had any Pleione that late flowering in my collection !!
Beautiful ! :D
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Eric, I think I'll overtrump you. This pale clone of P. pleionoides has bloomed this week. Unfortunately, it's a little damaged by hot weather.
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This has come out very early as most of my Pleione saxicola are not showing signs of doing anything yet. It must be happy though :) as its got three flowers (one single and one double) and also another smaller bulb growing on the old one.
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Looking good Dave!!
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Anyone out there know how to convert neat Neem Oil into spray strength?
Cheers
Chris
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Hi Chris
Neem Oil does rather solidify and firstly container will need to be placed in hot water for a few minutes.
Shake container well.
Mix a teaspoon of oil with two pints of slightly warm water and add a few drops of detergent to act as an Emulsifier.
Stir well and it is then ready to use.
Eric
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What is it used for?
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a huge variety of uses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_oil)
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Neem Oil
Not available for horticultural use in the UK >:(
Has been withdrawn for a few years now.
Eric
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Hi Eric,
Thanks so much for that, I have a tub of the neat stuff which needs thinning down.
My PLeiones are beginning to go dormant so I want to treat them as a precautionary
measure. Growth might suggest the collection is free of 'B' beasties most hvae more
than doubled their weight over the year.
Thanks again
Chris
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Hi Chris
I treat all my Pleione (even the bulbils) every year with neem oil as a precautionary measure.
Also treat with a strong fungiside too, which has helped clean up my stock considerably.
Eric
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Thanks Eric,
Good advice as I have to store my Pleiones in the house over the winter as we reach -25c outside!
The better they will bulk up if they aren't dealing with pests and fungal 'infections' !
This year has seen good increase comapred to last year which was a disaster, this year I finally
arrived at a potting mix that works for here. In the UK it would have rotted off these Pleiones, here
it just manages to hold onto enough water to keep them happy. Where they grow they have had shade
temperatures of upto 35c!
Of course I am happy now as I can proceed to track down and purchase lots of new hybrids!! ;)
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Welcome to the club of "Pleione trackers" Chris ! ;D
No neem oil available here - I've never been able to find any... so I have to do with spraying them in Summer with Polysect (byfenthrin) as per Paul Cumbleton's recommandations.
It's been an excellent growing season for Pleiones here too - lots of fat pseudobulbs showing with good offsets...
So far I'm a happy chappy ;D
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Cheers Luc!
There are sellers of Neem oil on e-bay, pure oil sold for no specified purpose!
Hence my query about preparing a spray strength solution.
Interesting that Erics recipie is the same as one for dealing with red spider mite
on epiphytic orchid leaves, with the exception that Neem oil is replaced by olive oil,
not sure though if that's first or second pressing! ;)
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The season is coming to an end or a beginning, depending on the group of Pleione you look at. My first Pleione to flower is P. Lageriana.
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p250/larsdane/pleione/Lageriana.jpg)
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Lars, WOW! :o
I think I have seen this once in a book somewhere! Lock up that greenhouse or you may find
someone in special forces black sneaking about the bushes! ;)
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Sorry Chris, no bulbils on lageriana, so it won't be in the goodibag. I don't know if they ever set bulbils.
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Oh well..... Lars excuse my ignorance but is this a species or a primary hybrid? Only two hits when I googled 'lageriana'.
Cheers
Chris
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You are searching the wrong thing, I think, Chris....
Paul's pleione website tells me this: x lagenaria = Pln. maculata x Pln. praecox hort. (natural hybrid)
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Thanks Maggi. it looked so much like the lip of maculata I wasa thinking iit was a primary hybrid, very very attractive indeed,
as Luc points out a good reason to join the 'tracking' club!!
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Maggi beat me to it. I should have written Pleione x
lageriana lagenaria
You should bookmark Paul's Pleione site
http://www.pleione.info/
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Luc
As Chris mentioned ,Neem Oil is available on Ebay from the USA under the DYNA - GROW label.
Price including postage is very similar to that which we had to pay in the UK before it was withdrawn. ;)
An 8oz one of these will last you years. :) :) :) and is well worth purchasing.
Neem oil is also available sold for cosmetic and also for head- lice treatment but not sure if this is of the same quality.
Eric
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Lars
Nice to see your x Lagenaria.
Wonder if this is the natural hybrid ? or perhaps the man made version (x Confirmation) done by the late Jan Berg and sold via Orchid Wubben ?
Eric
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I can't say for sure, but I think the grower I got it from would have labelled it accordingly if it was x Confirmation. It is an interesting - but also fairly academic - discussion, if one should distinguish between manmade and natural hybrids of the same parentage. Personally, I think it is irrelevant. It would be much more relevant to distinguish between hybrids made from different clones/subsp. I hybridise Disa and there is a big different in the outcome from using a yellow form of Disa uniflora compared to a red form when you make a hybrid, but no distinction is made. I assume the same will apply to Pleione x Kohlsii if you were to find one where forrestii var. alba was the parent, or a pure yellow, they would be different. Still, it would only get a different name, if it was manmade, and it would not show, which form had been used.
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Beautiful x lagenaria Lars !!! 8)
Thanks for the info Eric - if I get hold of 8 oz of the mysterious neem oil - I will surely have a lot of it left to include in my will for my descendants.. 8)
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on epiphytic orchid leaves, with the exception that Neem oil is replaced by olive oil
Chris - in order to preserve my dwindling stock of neem oil, I have just tried using olive oil instead, on a plant with red spider, but it did not work. It might be that olive oil is too thin to be effective or that there are other substances in the neem oil that kill them.
Pete.
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Not sure if this is any help re neem oil. There is a product available containing neem oil and other oils. It used to be called Stop it All but is now called Ruggle-it. It is supposed to be useful as a fly repellant and for skin complaints in animals and humans and also for use in the garden.I have not tried it. The website is www.karenruggles.co.uk
I seem to remember Cyril Lafong mentioning he used an insecticide containing rapeseed oil against red spider mite and found it effective but I don't remember the name.
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Lars
Continuing on the discussion on x Lagenaria and x Confirmation.
I have always found plants of the natural hybrid to be of a fairly pink colouration as your photo shows.
Plants supplied by Wubben ,which are from Jan Bergs cross and should be labelled x Confirmation, show a very variable colour range . I have clones that are almost white,ones that are pale pink and darken as they age and others that are very similar to your photo.
All clones do have similar lip markings.
It is possible that because Wubben continue to label these as x Lagenaria and not Confirmation that plants have now been mixed up and causing confusion.
Eric
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Thanks for the info Eric - if I get hold of 8 oz of the mysterious neem oil - I will surely have a lot of it left to include in my will for my descendants.. 8)
Luc
I am just coming to the end of my first 8oz Neem Oil which has lasted about eight years even with my large collection. :) I do mainly use it however only for dipping dormant bulbs.
Luckily I purchased a couple of spare lots before it was withdrawn. :) :) :)
Eric
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I'll try to trace the roots of my x lagenaria.
Kind regards
Lars
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I've jsut has a reply from the guy i got the plant from and it doesn't originate from Wubben.
Kind regards
Lars
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Hi Lars and Eric,
I didn't think I would be joining in the x Lagenaria / x Confirmation discussion but whilst waiting for my first 'P.maculata' to flower I watched with interest as the flower bud slowly changed from white to pink and opened to reveal not so much a swan as a flamingo!!!! So guys do ya think this is x Lagenaria or X Confirmation. The purchase source was European.
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Hi Lars and Eric,
I didn't think I would be joining in the x Lagenaria / x Confirmation discussion but whilst waiting for my first 'P.maculata' to flower I watched with interest as the flower bud slowly changed from white to pink and opened to reveal not so much a swan as a flamingo!!!! So guys do ya think this is x Lagenaria or X Confirmation. The purchase source was European.
Hi Chris
Although this does look nice ,I would say this was a clone of Praecox .
Eric
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Chris,
I must agree with Eric. It's a pure P. praecox. I think the name of hybrid P. 'Flamingo' hasn't registered so far.
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Taa Eric and Karel_t,
Sorry karel_t, 'Flamimgo' was my attempt at a joke!
So now I have praecox, super, is the 'warty' pseudobulb typical of praecox?
Cheers
Chris
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Hi Chris
Yes the "warty" pseudobulb is typical .They can come as either very squat bulbs, which I have had up to 55mm in dia, or as very long bulbs of up to 80mm, but only about 30mm in dia.
Eric
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Many thanks Eric,
I guess either way she is a beauty and I shall have to see if I can increase my stock!!
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Lovely P. praecox Chris !! Great specimen !
Thanks for showing ! 8)
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Luc, many thanks for that, as ever you make me feel really good about my little 'cuckoo'!! :D ;)
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My first Autumn flowering is a pale flowered clone of Praecox.
This is the clone that makes the very large squat pseudobulbs.
Eric
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Exquisite Eric :D
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I now have Pleione in flower all year round. :) :) :)
Find out more on the thread "Images of the Arty kind".
Eric
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My first Autumn flowering is a pale flowered clone of Praecox.
This is the clone that makes the very large squat pseudobulbs.
Eric
And a very nice one it is Eric !!!
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LOL, Eric, is this not an obsession gone to far?
Made of clay? New cultivars Pleione 'Hydroleca' and Pleione 'Seramis'? ROFL
Seriously I looked at these too on ebay, are they realistic close up?
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LOL, Eric, is this not an obsession gone to far?
Made of clay? New cultivars Pleione 'Hydroleca' and Pleione 'Seramis'? ROFL
Seriously I looked at these too on ebay, are they realistic close up?
Hi Chris
They are very realistic close up and I think it would be difficult to improve on them very much. :) :) :)
They are easy to keep but difficult to increase. ;) ;) ;) unless you pay another visit to ebay of course.
I am very pleased with them and would certainly recommend them.
Eric
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LOL, Eric, is this not an obsession gone to far?
Made of clay? New cultivars Pleione 'Hydroleca' and Pleione 'Seramis'? ROFL
Seriously I looked at these too on ebay, are they realistic close up?
Hi Chris
Further info regarding these.
If you check out my posting on General Forum "Images of the Arty Kind" you will find photos of all three from the set + close up"s of all three flowers.
These sell at £5 per set + postage.
Eric
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Tempting Eric, but I may go for the real thing, there are so many left to grow and besides I am terrible at dusting! ;)