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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: mark smyth on December 12, 2008, 01:57:09 PM
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Can anyone help with photos of the following Irish cultivars for a lecture I'm giving? They need to be excellent close digital shots.
O'Mahoney
Cool Ballintaggart
Greenfields
Mary Hely-Hutchinson
Rowallane
Ruby Baker
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Does anyone by any chance have a Celtic or Stonehenge font?
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http://www.dafont.com/stonehenge.font
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David Nicholson, you never cease to amaze me! I'm glad to posted that link, I was just off to phone the minister of the local church.... :-X
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I have been to all the download sites but none seem to work. Thanks anyway David. I need someone who has it as a font on their pc
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Are these on your 'Iwish list' Mark?
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I've got a not very good picture of G. 'Ruby Baker'.
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Let me know if you want the original.
John
p.s. It is a shame it does not have green tips as I know that Ruby has a real liking for green tipped forms.
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Thanks John. I'll take the original please so I can crop it. Do you have any other angles?
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Hi Mark
I have emailed the original picture to you. I have also sent one taken from a slightly different angle (but that photo is a bit blurred - not sure if you can do anything with it).
David Quinton and AlanB were with me when I took the photographs so they may have a better one?
Cheers
John
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David Nicholson, you never cease to amaze me! I'm glad to posted that link, I was just off to phone the minister of the local church.... :-X
On first read I thought Mark was having a christening fetish ;D
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Mark,
I do have a slightly out of focus photograph of G. Ruby Baker (see below). If you would like a full size copy then PM me with your e-mail address and I'll send it to you.
David
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John, first time a saw a pic of RUBY BAKER. It must be rare?
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Nice snowdrop. Not one I've seen.
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John, first time a saw a pic of RUBY BAKER. It must be rare?
Hi Hagen
I have been told that less than half a dozen people own 'G. Ruby Baker' - we saw it when it was exhibited by Ronald Mackenzie at the RHS meeting in February 2008.
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With best wishes
John
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Does anyone know where one might be sourced?
Willing to purchase/trade or whatever.
As it is a snowdrop of Irish origin I am particularly interested.
Paddy
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Many thanks to those who e-mailed me about this snowdrop. Greatly appreciated.
Obviously, it is a very rare snowdrop and not yet being offered commercially. As I said, I am particularly interested in the snowdrop as it is of Irish origin and have hopes of establishing a sort of national collection of snowdrops both in my own and other gardens, particularly at Altamont Gardens in County Carlow which is a garden under the care of our government and where it is likely to be well cared for and also available for viewing by the public.
I am delighted to say that G. 'Ruby Baker', as well as being of Irish origin, is also an excellent snowdrop in its own right regardless of country of origin. Sometimes, for the sake of completeness of a collection, one seeks out a particular snowdrop even though it has nothing else to recommend it other than its origins. This is not the case here as G. 'Ruby Baker' strikes me as well worthy of a place in any garden.
It will come my way some day I have no doubt.
Paddy
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Good luck Paddy.
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Anthony, I live in great hope!
You can see that this is an excellent snowdrop but it has been distributed under very strict conditions and these have to be honoured. This is a pity but it is also the person's prerogative. It will eventually come into wider circulation. The important for the present is that it is in a few gardens and is safe and growing away.
Last spring I was given bulbs of Galanthus 'Lady Moore' which had quite restricted distribution. It came from Lady Moore, wife of Sir Frederick Moore former Director of the Botanic Gardens in Glasnevin, Dublin. She gave it to a Mrs. Rutherfoord around 1940. Mrs. Rutherfoord's daughter was with her on the occasion and when she left home she brought some bulbs with her, kept them going since then and guarded them very warily being very reluctant to part with any except to people most deserving and worthy in her mind. It is a pity, in a way, to see such a practice and, as it applied to a plant from Lady Moore, particularly so. A saying of Lady Moore is often quoted in Irish gardening circles, "The best way to keep a plant is to give it away."
Miss Rita Rutherfoord gave me some bulbs of G. 'Lady Moore' as she knew of my interest in Irish snowdrops and unfortunately she died very shortly afterwards. She was a tremendous lady, a formidable lady whose running of garden club plant sales for the Royal Horticultural Society of Ireland is still recalled with a certain amusement. She ran them with an iron fist. There was no favouritism shown even to the people who voluntarily ran the plant sale. They had to take their chances of purchasing some of the rare plants on offer in the same manner as those who came to the sale. No "booking" of plants prior to the opening of the sale was allowed. I recall seeing a unusual plant with "ex H.D." on a label and asking her about it. She told me that it meant it had come from Helen Dillon's garden and I needed to know no more. Apparently, no further recommendation was needed for any plant in her mind.
I distributed bulbs to some people whom I knew would grow it on and mind the plant but found when I contacted some people that they already had bulbs but had found it necessary not to make this known previously. The same will happen with G. 'Ruby Baker' in time. People who have it will want the peace of mind of knowing that the responsibility of keeping a fine cultivar going does not rest with them alone and will pass it on to others as back-up and for safe keeping.
Paddy
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... guarded them very warily being very reluctant to part with any except to people most deserving and worthy in her mind.
... when I contacted some people that they already had bulbs but had found it necessary not to make this known previously.
Other than distributing rare material first to those most able to propagate it this exclusivity or elitism contradicts our shared love of plants and seems to me sad, even pathetic.
Best of luck with the collection of Irish snowdrop cultivars Paddy.
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The same will happen with G. 'Ruby Baker' in time. People who have it will want the peace of mind of knowing that the responsibility of keeping a fine cultivar going does not rest with them alone and will pass it on to others as back-up and for safe keeping.
Paddy
I do hope so Paddy. (fingers crossed 'icon')
After my experience last year of virus in my garden and also in a friends garden I can easily see that it is too much of a risk to put restrictions that something may only be grown in a mere 4 gardens :-\
Best wishes
John
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Lesley & John,
Numbers of this snowdrop are very very small at present so, even if there was a freedom to distribute, it would simply not be possible to do this so it is not, as might be inferred, a case of hoarding a special snowdrop at all. It is simply being minded by a few careful growers at present so that in future years it will be available to a wider group.
Ashley, any interesting snowdrops down Cork way?
Paddy
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When something new is found it is most likely twinned that summer and once they flower they will be passed to the important people first to grow in their gardens as an insurance policy. By the time they appear in catalogues it could be 10 years down the line unless you are lucky enough to be given one.
Saw this as I was on my way out. Lets get a grip, who is an important person,its only gardening for goodness sake. We all only grow a few plants that usually manage perfectly well on their own in the wild.
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Mark,
Ten years down the line is not too long to wait for a good snowdrop. If we got all we wanted immediately we would have nothing to look forward to or savour.
I am amused by your choice of words when you say the snowdrops would be passed to "the important people". This categorisation would certainly rule me out for many many years. Fortunately, gardeners are a far less demanding lot in general and seem always to delight in giving plants to people who are simply enthusiastic and have an abvious love of growing them.
Paddy
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Tony,
You beat me with your comment on the "important people". I must say that I have met many of those who might be considered the important people and have always found them a delight. To illustrate, Helen Dillon has held a very high profile here in Irish gardening circles for many years and she is one who simply would not allow me leave her garden without taking some plant with me as a memory of the visit. I have many plants from her garden which I treasure for their association. And, most importantly, she is only one of many. Gardeners are in general a very generous lot.
Paddy
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snowdrops would be passed to "the important people".
I know exactly what Mark means by this.... it is a shorthand way of describing precisley what does happen with rare plants....... if a plant is extremely rare, by definition, there are not enough to go round all those who would covet such a plant.... it is only natural that such rarities will pass first to those folks, considered by the "keeper" of the plant, to have the best chance of growing/propagating it.... this translates, both for ease of naming and also by extrapolation ( of the plant is rare and yet you have it, that makes you "important" in the history of that plant!) to the people being passed the plant becoming regarded as important.... quite simple really!
Take this example: one's best friend might be deeply keen to obtain a rare plant in your possession.... but you know that your friend, while enthusuiastic, is a poor cultivator of plants...... for the survival of that plant, is it more sensible to give your friend the plant, or another person, known to be greatly skilled as a grower? I think most folks choose the skilled gardener!
There is another case, of course, less clear cut from some points of view :o...... you have a rarity, you are asked for a cutting by a good grower... BUT, you are a rabid exhibitor and so is your friend.... NOW do you give him the plant??? ::) Sadly I have known of cases where a plant has been given..." on condition you don't show it".......... how miserable is that?
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Apologies, Hagen, I don't understand all you have written but I do understand your admiration for Ruby Baker - the person and the snowdrop which bears her name.
Paddy
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I take your point, Maggi, and I'm sure we all agree with what Mark was trying to say. But I think "experienced growers" or "skilled growers" would have been a better choice of words than "important people".
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Yes, Martin, you are correct, I'll box Mark's ears for him when I see him next! ;D
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I suppose both Martin important and experienced. If Galanthus 'XYZ' is about to be passed around it will go to for example to Matt Bishop and not me but I did get something that I will show next year
Then can you explain to me, Mark, in what way you consider these "important people" in the snowdrop world to be more "important" than the rest of us, other than in the sense of being the most experienced and knowledgeable, and therefore safest, hands into which new snowdrops can be entrusted? I am seriously interested to know your thinking on this because it's not the first time you've mentioned on the forum "important people" in this context and I find it odd. I'm trying not to leap to conclusions here. The second part of your post, above, I'm still trying to get my head around. ???
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Everyone just forget I made any comments. I have removed my thoughts from the forum
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There's another angle to the issue of snowdrop varieties in restricted circulation. The first edition of "The Book" came out several years ago. Yet a large number of the varieties listed in it still cannot be found. There are plenty of examples that are not exotic newcomers like Flocon de Neige; for example Beth Chatto, Doncasters Double Charmer, Remember Remember, Deer Slot, Big Boy.
There can only be two reasons for this;
a) those few who have a variety are tending to keep it to themselves, or
b) the twinscalers who I understand can take chips of a bulb of great rarity to flowering-size in three years are for some reason not able to satisfy the demand.
That's why the tiny handful of growers who do propagate hard to find varieties are able to command such high prices on eg Ebay (something that contributors have been huffing and puffing about here.) I have seen big clumps of certain Galanthus varieties that are blood-rare growing in gardens. The real issue surely isn't over a strategy for gettting rare varieties into the hands of people who can preserve them, its what happens after that.
Hope this isn't irritating any readers, and can I support Mark (no relation!) whose posts to my mind demonstrate that he belongs to the "open" tendency and not the keep it to myself one.
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Mark I certainly did not want to offend with my comments but will add to my previous one with how do you know if somebody is a'good grower' if they never get anything good to grow?
Over many years I have been the recipient of some super plants given freely and on many occasions quickly killed. I think I can also say I have passed quite a few on when it has been clear they were not going to succeed with me.
It is still better to visit a friend and see a good plant you could not grow looking wonderful than have an empty pot of your own.
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Steve - There is also a third reason: the snowdrop is miffy.
In the early 90's I was given Rosemary Burnham by the late Don Armstrong who asked me to get it around.
In those days I knew few snowies so I had to figure out who to send it to initially and this was no easy matter.
I settled on these criteria:
Would cherish the plant
Who could grow it
Who would propagate it
Were generous and would pass it around
Were in diverse locations
Had a prominent garden where it would be shown off to others and gain some notoriety
I was able to send it to:
Louise Voikins at Foxgrove who had a magnificent display of Snowdrops at the RHS Feb Show in 1996 and helped me to expand my collection and was an obvious propagator.
Jack Eliot
Helen Dillon - lost to insect
Stella Tracey in Devon + a backup later after a loss
John Grimshaw to compare with Francisca Darts (syn) before The Book + a backup later after a loss
Jim Waddick in Kansas
Nancy Goodwin at Montrose
a galanthophile in Denmark
a galanthophile in Germany
others whose names escape me tonight
Those were the important people I thought should get them first; all, no more of less, distinguished than our forumists.
Pam Frost in Vancouver has sent it over to the UK as well to many people.
Many of these folks have had problems with Rosemary Burnham and sadly we seem no further ahead today than we were back in 1996. It has gained notoriety on its own. My lusty clump was ready for another round of mailings to people who simply requested it when it was hit by narcissus bulb fly despite treatment. I was down to one bulb last spring. Pam's RB is down to a few bulbs due to generosity. The snowies in BC have but a few bulbs.
I am now going to twin scale it next June and hope to be able to send it to some Galanthophiles on this forum when ready; too bad I didn't know about all the snowies in this group years ago.
If someone knows any of the recipients it would be interesting to follow-up on RB's fate.
Neither Pam or I accepted money for any snowdrops sent.
So getting a snowdrop around is not always a straight forward matter.
johnw - +12c this am in the south, +1c tonight.
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With the newer and rarer snowdrops there is bound to be a period where people know of them and wish to have them. Commercial considerations may govern the release of some snowdrops - better prices will be obtained if the supply is curtailed and controlled. Other times snowdrops might not have entered into the commercial arena at all and remain in private hands and I think it is this situation which is under discussion above. Quite simply, if a snowdrop is in private hands the owner has every right to do with it as s/he wishes. However, it is common practice - as John has illustrated in his account of G. 'Rosemary Burnham' - to spread plants around so as to safeguard the future of the particular snowdrop and in the long run this is probably the best approach.
The issue which was raised is that these snowdrops are only distributed to "important" people and it was this choice of words which seemed to rankle with people. It seems to me that what has not been said is that people will share their snowdrops first and foremost with friends, people who share their interest in snowdrops, who have experience of growing snowdrops and in whose hands the snowdrops have a good chance of growing successfully. John listed people to whom he distributed G. 'Rosemary Burnham' and I would guess he choose these people not simply on their reputation but because he knew them, was friends with them and felt assured the snowdrop would be safe in their hands. In that sense they were important people to John; they were his friends with an interest in snowdrops and people who would assure the future of G.'Rosemary Burnham'.
By the way, John, did you know that there is a snowdrop here in Ireland which arose in Helen Dillon's garden? It is a variant on G. nivalis which Helen refers to as her "good one". I have seen it under various labels referring to Helen or to her garden address. Helen would be the first to admit that it is not particularly spectacular but it is special to her. She gave me a nice clump some years ago and I treasure it for its connection to Helen and I label it "Helen's Good One" in my garden. Have you got it? If not, I can send on some later in the year.
By the way, Helen has more or less given up growing snowdrops as she found she was losing more and more of them to pest and disease. Those she gave me have shown perfect health, I am delighted to report.
Paddy
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Most excellently put Paddy, I would also say (I don't think it was mentioned above) that some snowdrops do not easily respond to twinscaling, and you have to wait a long time for them to bulk up otherwise.
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I don't want to prolong this discussion, but my point about the use of "important people" by Mark was simply an egalitarian one. I don't like snobbery or forelock tugging, and I just feel that the repeated use of phrases like "important people" and "inner circle" by Mark in posts about snowdrop growing, unless used ironically, is not helpful.
From long experience of the snowdrop world, going back to the 1960s, I know historically there used to be, on the part of at least some people, some snobbery and exclusivity about who were the "right kind of people" to allow into their circles and allow to have the rarest snowdrops; not amongst all snowdrop growers of course (and I knew some, now dead, who hated that sort of attitude, even though they came from the "right sort" of background to fit in themselves).
Whether that is still the case in some circles I can't say as I don't get out much these days. :-[ But I would hope that we have moved on at least to some extent from those days when who you were and who you knew was sometimes more important to some people than how keen or experienced you were, and how much you could contribute.
I didn't mean to upset Mark and hope he won't remove his thoughts entirely from the forum. We're all entitled to express our views and opinions, and equally entitled to object to others' views and opinions. I think it keeps the discussions lively.
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Martin,
In line with your comments above, I recall an incident where a member of a local garden club here who always wanted to have the rarest plants in his garden went to a local garden centre and asked for such a plant only to be told that he couldn't have it as the proprietor thought his garden wasn't ready for it yet!
Of course, there will be some snobbery and one-up-manship among snowdrop growers as there is in many other areas of life but that's the way some people are. Laugh at them and their silliness.
Paddy
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Ashley, any interesting snowdrops down Cork way?
Paddy
Unfortunately I'm not in 'the know' Paddy ;) but will certainly ask around. Wol Staines' talk at the A/HPS meeting in January should presumably flush out the local galanthophiles.
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From long experience of the snowdrop world, going back to the 1960s, I know historically there used to be, on the part of at least some people, some snobbery and exclusivity about who were the "right kind of people" to allow into their circles and allow to have the rarest snowdrops; not amongst all snowdrop growers of course (and I knew some, now dead, who hated that sort of attitude, even though they came from the "right sort" of background to fit in themselves).
You need not worry Martin it is still alive and kicking. I have a very dear friend who looks forward to receiving the invitations to 'exclusive Snowdrop Lunches ' each year. I salivate on the sidelines (about the food not the snowdrops) as they are descibed to me.
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I mentioned G. 'Lady Moore' earlier and here is a picture of it. Unfortunately, it was the only remaining flower on a clump I received earlier in the year and the petals, particularly the one on the right, are in poor condition but I hope it will give you some idea of what it looks like.
Paddy
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You need not worry Martin it is still alive and kicking. I have a very dear friend who looks forward to receiving the invitations to 'exclusive Snowdrop Lunches ' each year. I salivate on the sidelines (about the food not the snowdrops) as they are descibed to me.
I know the feeling, Tony. I don't tend to get many such invites myself, and I hear the food is often very good. And I do know that, generally speaking, these days people tend to be invited to private snowdrop lunches on the basis of their knowledge, experience or just very keen interest (or because they are close snowdrop-growng friends of the host) rather than because they are the "right sort of person" by dint of background, breeding etc. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in the snowdrop world today. I just wouldn't like to see things sliding back to the sort of snobbish attitudes I know were displayed by some in the middle of the last century. History repeats itself easily enough without any help from us, and I'd prefer to see the gardening and snowrop growing worlds continue to be an increasingly egalitarian community of likeminded people. Dear God, could I sound more pompous? Shut up, Baxendale.
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Snowdrop lunches? How do you cook them?
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I know historically there used to be, on the part of at least some people, some snobbery and exclusivity about who were the "right kind of people" to allow into their circles
Well, of course: witness the snobbery that surrounded the growing of Auriculas.........and it would be naive to think that such prejudices are entirely gone from the horticultural world today but most of us.... and here the SRGC is a shining example.....abhor such behaviour and do all we can to break it down.
I think it is still the case, however, that on the entry sheet for the RHS plant award meetings, there is still space for the "gardener" to be named.... a throwback to the time when the "gentry" were entering the plants grown on their behalf by their employee....and who would not themselves know very much about the plant at all, in most cases! :-\
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Snowdrop lunches? How do you cook them?
In a shallow pan with just a little spring water ...
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Snowdrop lunches? How do you cook them?
In a shallow pan with just a little spring water ...
I prefer mine chipped.
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Snowdrop lunches? How do you cook them?
In a shallow pan with just a little spring water ...
I prefer mine chipped.
;D Very good. 8)
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Snowdrop lunches? How do you cook them?
To conform with current health and safety directives, we should probably state here that snowdrop bulbs are poisonous and should under no circumstances be eaten (or stuffed up your nose, used as replacements for light bulbs or be offered as a more valuable currency to replace the British pound - current value half a groat).
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Weren't narcotics named because they are found in narcissi?
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Weren't narcotics named because they are found in narcissi?
Dunno, but there's no way I'm going to try smoking the things.
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Hell's bells, Anthony, I should be working and here I am looking up narcotic in the dictionary instead. Says it's from the Greek (via medieval Latin) for "to render numb". No mention of narcissi, so I'm spared any temptation to experiment with rolling up daffodil leaves.
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Well, at least you are not suffering from "idiopathic narcolepsy", which was written on a pupil's note once.
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Weren't narcotics named because they are found in narcissi?
Actually, I think they were named after thon bloke who fancied himself. ::)
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Well, at least you are not suffering from "idiopathic narcolepsy", which was written on a pupil's note once.
Is that when you keep falling asleep if you have to listen to someone talking b****cks, in which case I think I suffer from it.
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Martin et alia,
Your comments on G. 'Lady Moore'?
It hasn't flowered in my garden yet and I am looking forward to seeing how it will perform in this coming season. Apologies for the poor specimen I have in the photograph. Unfortunately, it was the only remaining flower on a clump I received earlier in the year and the petals, particularly the one on the right, are in poor condition but I hope it will give you some idea of what it looks like.
Oh, I should point out that this is not one of the culinary varieties of snowdrop, simply ornamental.
Paddy
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Nice is the Lady. It`s a kind of the ROBIN HOOD group! ;)
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With the newer and rarer snowdrops there is bound to be a period where people know of them and wish to have them. Commercial considerations may govern the release of some snowdrops - better prices will be obtained if the supply is curtailed and controlled. Other times snowdrops might not have entered into the commercial arena at all and remain in private hands and I think it is this situation which is under discussion above.
Paddy
Paddy
No quarrel with your point about newer and rarer. I was drawing attention to the fact that quite a number of varieties that are supposed to have been around quite a long time, supposedly not rare, are yet very difficult indeed to get hold of. I'll give another example - Bitton. But I bet many people are growing a decent clump of Bitton. Another, Ruby Baker, has been mentioned in this thread.
It's a pity there isn't a "Snowdrops Available for swap" register that everybody could log onto. I bet that would have an effect on Ebay prices! I've been growing snowdrops for only four years, so my sizeable list of varieties aren't clumps yet - but they will be, and then I see no point in keeping them to myself if others want to grow them.
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As you say, Paddy, not easy to assess 'Lady Moore' from a single flower not in good condition, but it looks very promising. Is it a plicate? I assume you'll keep it away from your other snowdrops until you're sure it's healthy; the one thing that does worry me a little is the apparent yellow breaking in the green of the ovary and what looks like a slightly broken and smudged mark, both of which can be symptoms of virus. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you that it's okay next year, but an old cultivar like this that's been around for a long time, and especially a plicate one, might have some virus. As I say, hope not, but better to be safe than sorry. I've been looking at it and trying to decide if it is yellow streaking or just the light and if the mark is something to worry about or not. On balance, I thought I'd better say something, even though it may turn out to be fine.
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Martin,
Many thanks for your comments. In its original garden it was grown well away from any other snowdrops. This was the owner's way of keeping it from interbreeding with any other snowdrops in her garden. It fact, she grew very few other snowdrops. To be safe I planted it well away from anything else. The yellowing on the ovary may be just the fact that the flower was caught in a shaft of sunlight. I looked at the original photograph as the one posted was cropped from it and there is a clear shaft of sunlight shining across the plant.
We'll see how it goes this season - and if it is riddled rotten with virus I will send it immediately to all the important people!
Steve, I'm reading between the lines. You say you took an interest in snowdrops about four years ago and already have a sizeable list of varieties - well, this is clear evidence that you are really and truly smitten by the snowdrop collecting bug. You could seek professional help or you could drop me an e-mail later in the season when foliage is drying down and I could help you expand the list a bit. I wouldn't wish you to think that all snowdrop enthusiasts are mean hoarders. However, I cannot help you with G. 'Bitton' or G. 'Ruby Baker' as I don't have them. This latter is, I'm afraid, a very rare one indeed.
Paddy
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if it is riddled rotten with virus I will send it immediately to all the important people!
;D 8) ;D
Steve, if people didn't make their bids on ebay until the last minute the prices probably wouldn't be so silly ::)
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Paddy, I did think it looked like it might just be evening sunlight catching the flower, so hopefully it's healthy. Looking on the optimistic side, the slight blurring and breaking of the mark might just be due to the age of the flower. Still, always better safe than sorry when bringing new snowdrops into the garden.
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.... I assume you'll keep it away from your other snowdrops until you're sure it's healthy; the one thing that does worry me a little is the apparent yellow breaking in the green of the ovary and what looks like a slightly broken and smudged mark, both of which can be symptoms of virus....
Martin
could this drop has also symptoms of virus? It has a little more of yellow in the apical mark and the mark is very blurred.
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Only the coloration of this mark is unusual. Leaves are OK.
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I was told today that Galanthus 'Ruby Baker', under strict instructions of Robin Hall, must never be commercilly available.
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I was told today that Galanthus 'Ruby Baker', under strict instructions of Robin Hall, must never be commercially available.
Good grief, what sort of daft idea is that? :o :(
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well, I suppose he doesnt want it to go for the prices that 'Cicely Hall' is sold for. A few years ago he phoned one of the catalogue people and insisted they take it off. He also said something like it should never have left Ireland.
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Martin
could this drop has also symptoms of virus? It has a little more of yellow in the apical mark and the mark is very blurred.
Hagen, I'd keep a close eye on any snowdrop which has a blurry and yellowish mark, just in case, and try to keep it away from other snowdrops. It might be fine, but I always like to be safe rather than sorry.
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Not exactly close but here is Ruby Baker at the RHS Show and at Primrose Hill two days later.
Have pm'ed you them in case you can use them and can send full size.
johnw
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Fancy that, the Lady and I have the same taste in brooches!
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Do you have a snowdrop brooch?
Thanks John
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Do you have a snowdrop brooch?
Thanks John
No.
johnw
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John that was for Maggi. :D
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John, I can lend you my snowdrop brooch if it's for a special occasion........ :D
Mark, see here...... http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1342.15
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John, I can lend you my snowdrop brooch if it's for a special occasion........ :D
Try Mark, I think he wanted to borrow mine. ;)
johnw
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John - was I stood next to Ruby when you took that photo? I would like to see the complete pic if I am. :D Many thanks.
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A few pictures of know and unknow,I got Gal Daglinwort as a present but not to sure about it,like expert advice please.
Cheers,Guy
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A photo of the whole plant for Daglingworth is needed. Hill Poe is correct and a photo of mine. The last plant I dont know what it is
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Sorry Mark,
The picture of Gal Hill Poe was taking last Year here at home ,as You will notice the back ground was a piece of bog oak.
cheers,
Guy
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http://www.snowdropinfo.com/hill-poe.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/hill-poe.html) taken in the garden of Margaret Glynn on 07 March 2004
and posted on the old forum Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 8:05 pm
http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/8/11.html (http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/8/11.html)
and the original
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Mark,
I am terrible sorry for my reply on Gal Hill Poe and wish to send You all my apologies for the mistake I made.
I got confused on the background of the picture,as I often use the bog oak,what I did on some of my Galanthus last Year,but no excuse You proved Your point,and again many times sorry.
Happy New Year.
Guy
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To conform with current health and safety directives, we should probably state here that snowdrop bulbs are poisonous and should under no circumstances be eaten (or stuffed up your nose, used as replacements for light bulbs or be offered as a more valuable currency to replace the British pound - current value half a groat).
I must say that snowdrops and narcis contain a certain element that seems to be a good medicine against Alzheimer!
Maybe it is not such a bad idea to eat one or two bulbs a week.
I have only forgotten what the element is ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Actually Gerard it's a quarter groat now!
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Its really true David, they found a certain element in Narcis that is one of the elements for a medicine against Alzheimer.
As you know snowdrops and narcis are related, they have started growing hectares of narcis just for the chemical industry already!
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it`s galanthamine ;D
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just finished my snowdropsupper and youre right Loes ;D
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Last night as I ate a cracker my finger got in my mouth too -
the bitter taste reminded me that I hadn't washed my hands
after doing a bit of surgery on a snowdrop bud that was refusing
to open. Snowdrops will not be a popular snack except perhaps
for people who add bitters to their drinks.
Galanthamine is being added to some commercial crops to
provide insect resistance (I think - unless it is against cold).
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Ones first beer tastes also bitter Diane. ;D