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Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: Hans J on August 10, 2008, 02:57:33 PM
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Hi all ,
here a new star from my collection :
Cyrtanthus spiralis
Enjoy
Hans 8)
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Hans very nice indeed,lovely to see
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Super plant Hans, I like the foliage as much as the flower.
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Hi Tony and Brian ,
thank you ;D
I was so silly and have bought only one bulb last year - now I have pollinate this plant ( selfed ) and I hope .....
Hans
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There is a really good reason for the name of THIS plant, isn't there! Wonderful foliage, but just look at that flower.... see the colour of the stem, making a foil for the smooth rich colour of the flower... delightful, I love it.
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That's very nice Hans.
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Hans, very nice plant and photo!
Greetings from hot Italy
Alberto
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Thanks Maggi ,David and Alberto ;D
Yes Maggi - this plantname is really good !
it is a shame that not more of this nice genus are aviable here .....
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Sadly, Hans, I think that few people are growing these plants... or maybe they are just shy to show them :-\
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Hi, here are other Cyrtanthus:
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:o :o :o wow Alberto :o :o :o
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I'm trying. I have Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus and C. mackenii from SRGC SeedEx sown 25 February last with good leaf, so some promise there if I can keep them over winter. In addition, earlier this year, Paul Tyreman was kind enough to send me bulbs of three forms of C. mackenii. These had recently finished flowering in Oz so I potted them and watered them, as I had read that they are often evergreen, and all are in good leaf.
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Alberto, wow from me as well ;D
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David, I bet you have been given more hope to wait for your seedlings by seeingthese lovely pix from Alberto, eh?
Lovely selection,Alberto, thank you for sharing!
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Hans and Alberto,
great pictures.
Here are some more nice plants.
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I never looked into this Cyrtanthus taxa.
Very interesting.
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;) Maggi :)
more and more confess ::)
Renate : nice pics too - thank you !
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;) Maggi :)
more and more confess ::)
Renate : nice pics too - thank you !
Yes, Hans!! 8)
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Lovely things, every one. I should try more and will certainly look out for C. spiralis. A gorgeous flower and like a good detective story, with a twist in the tail (or leaf :)).
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Hans,
WOW!! Gorgeous leaves on the spiralis. I didn't realise there was a Cyrtanthus spiralis, I have liked every "spiralis" in any genus I've come across!!
Alberto,
Glorious pics. Interesting to see loddigesiana, as it was part of a hybrid I flowered for the first time this year. Can clearly see where the flower shape on mine came from, as well as some of the colour. I do like that second last "sp" as well. Great shape and colour, unlike any Cyrtanthus I've come across before.
Renate,
Oh that soft pink mackenii. A colour I've been after for a while (I have orange, yellow, and creamy white as well as a new red that has been sent to me recently but that I have yet to flower). The C. sanguineus is a great flower and colour too. Very nice!!
Thanks for starting this thread Hans. Excellent to have them all together here. 8)
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Hans and Alberto,
great pictures.
Here are some more nice plants.
Renate, lovely pictures. I would be interested in some more information on how you grow Cyrtanthus mackenii in particular. I said in a previous post that earlier this year Paul Tyreman had kindly sent me some bulbs of three colour breaks that had just finished flowering in Australia. I potted these up, and as I had read somewhere that the species can be evergreen, I continued watering them and they are now in good leaf.
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David,
C mackenii is evergreen and I grow mine in four 30cm pots. They flower regularly all year and they like morning full sun and after noon a little cooler. I water weekly except during winter when it rains.
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David,
C mackenii is evergreen and I grow mine in four 30cm pots. They flower regularly all year and they like morning full sun and after noon a little cooler. I water weekly except during winter when it rains.
Thank you Heinie but I am now a little confused ??? I wonder if it is because of your climate down there in Cape Town that keeps Cyrtanthus mackenii in leaf all year round? For example I know that Hans Joschko, in Germany, waters his plants until October and then dries them off in his greenhouse and starts to water again from the following March. My climate is probably quite a bit wetter all year round than is Hans' climate, he is warmer in the Summer than I am, and I am not sure how we match during Winter. My Winters tend to be wet, and mildish, and we do get a little frost but not a great deal as we are close to the coast. The vents in my greenhouse are left fully open all year round and in addition I have no glass in my greenhouse door and one pane of glass is removed from the opposite elevation to give a good throughput of air.
When I received my bulbs, from Paul in Australia, as they had recently flowered there, I did wonder if I should just keep them dry and start to water them in March next, until I read that they could be evergreen. They do look pretty healthy with about 8cm of foliage but the days will be getting shorter now.
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David ,
here is a information from the WWW which I have found before minutes ( it is in french ):
Culture
Note : Les Cyrtanthus sont parmi les Amaryllidaceae les plus difficiles à cultiver, de mauvaises conditions de culture conduisant à la pourriture du bulbe...
ZR = peut être 7 pour C. ochroleucus, sinon à partir de 8 ou 9 selon les espèces. 10 pour C. elatus.
Evergreen : brachysciphus, elatus, epiphyticus, herrei, montanus, obliquus, obrienii, ochroleucus, staadensis.
Evergeen ou summer grower : eucallus, mackenii, sanguineus.
Summer Grower : breviflorus, clavatus, contractus, falcatus, galpinii, guthrieae, huttonii, loddigesianus, smithiae, speciosus, spiralis, suaveolens, tuckii.
Winter grower : C. fergusoniae, C. guthrieae.
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Hans, thank you. Now you know how good we 'Islanders' are at foreign languages! ;D I shall be quiet for a while whilst I translate.
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It even makes a lot of sense for me Hans. The specie names remain the same which makes it easy.
It should not take too long David ;)
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David,
They're evergreen here. The creamy white form has just finished flowering for me now, it tends to flower in winter here each year. I expect the orange will flower in mid to late spring, and the yellow tends to flower late summer from memory. I can check for sure exactly when my previous pics were taken (which is how I work out what flowers when. ;)). I know that the yellow had flowered not long before sending to you, in fact I think it actually WAS in flower when I took a piece off for you.
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Hi all ,
I have now sent a PM to our french member Dominique -maybe he can help us with a translation
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David - You will enjoy C. brachyscyphus. I grows without difficulty here and flowers for 3-4 months. It has just finished here with fair seed set - enough to send to the exchange.
Thanks to everyone for the marvellous Cyrtanthus pictures - that C. spiralis is a smasher Hans.
johnw
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Hans what was your source for C. spiralis? My plants and bulbils died during last winter
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here is now the translation from Dominique :
Culture Notes: Cyrtanthus is among Amaryllidaceae the most difficult to cultivate, of bad conditions of culture leading to the decay of the bulb...
ZR = perhaps 7 for C. ochroleucus,otherwise from 8 or 9 according to the species. 10 for elatus C..
Evergreen : brachysciphus, elatus, epiphyticus, herrei, montanus, obliquus, obrienii, ochroleucus, staadensis.
Evergeen or summer grower : eucallus, mackenii, sanguineus.
Summer Grower : breviflorus, clavatus, contractus, falcatus, galpinii, guthrieae, huttonii, loddigesianus, smithiae, speciosus, spiralis, suaveolens, tuckii.
Winter grower : C. fergusoniae, C. guthrieae.
Thank you Dominique !
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C. montanus needs a nearly complete sandy soil! and sparingly watered as spiralis and smithiae.
Alberto
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Hans, thanks for geting the translation, and thanks also to Dominique for providing it. You have been very quiet of late Dominique!
Hans are you going to change your cultivation of C. mackenii now?
This thread is now a valuable resource.
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David ,
I think it is possibly to grow C.mackenii in both ways .....
my problem is that that my Cyrtanthus in my cold greenhouse ( with a minimum of 5° ) - I think now they should have a litte warmer in winter -so it's would possibly to give them a litte water .
I hate it to water any of my plants in winter in my greenhouse - this is not well for the most other ! ....and the humidity is to high ( special for cacti )
the best would be a place in winter with 10 ° and light .....I have to look !
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Hans, C. mackenii is a facultative evergreen bulb, so if the weather is cold you have not to water it. This doesn't compromise the blooming season! Mine are at cold too and every spring they flower and flower.
Alberto
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Alberto ,
mine are different -they are decidous in winter - the leaves are dry and they emerge new in spring...
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Hans, it is exactly what I wrote.
Alberto
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I had to look up 'facultative'. It means capable of functioning under varying environmental conditions. So what Alberto is saying is that if you dry it off it will be OK, but if you have the conditions to keep watering it will be OK too.
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Hi at all,
I also keep them dry in winter, with lowest temperature +1,5 °C. They get new leafes and flowers in spring but they seem to be not so easy as C.brachyscyphus which flowers really every year at the same time, without doing anything special.
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Hi all ,
I have searched a bit and here are the informations to ZR :
"ZR = perhaps 7 for C. ochroleucus,otherwise from 8 or 9 according to the species. 10 for elatus C.."
Please look here :
http://nature.jardin.free.fr/zone.html
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For me, most of my Cyrtanthus get some form of frost, although the majority are not out in the open and so don't get the full -8'C. The one exception to this is Cyrtanthus elatus (the common vallotta lily) which I have growing out in the garden in one place where it would get the full cold. Bulbs are only just below the surface. They flower every year, multiplying slowly etc (they do multiply much more quickly in pots and more protected, but interestingly the only one that flowers is the ones out in the garden). They do die off over winter.
My Cyrtanthus mackenii are against a north or south facing wall (I have them in both places) where they would get cold and would definitely get below freezing, but not heavily. Here, they are evergreen. C. brachyscyphus is on the south wall and is thriving, flowering every year. Not that long back someone posted a pic of C. montanus or falcatus flowering (I can't remember for sure which, but I think it was falcatus) after coming out of it's dormancy. Mine grow well, but I haven't had flowers on them. I find for me they are winter dormant, but I think that naturally they are summer dormant? They are increasing in size, and I try to keep them drier while dormant, but I am obviously not getting it right for flowering unfortunately. I don't grow spiralis, but after seeing Hans pictures I will have to find it somewhere. ;)
Any of that info useful to anyone?
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Paul, I posted about C. falcatus. It is winter dormant. No water all winter long, only after they flower I begin to water, every forthnight.
Alberto
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Alberto,
OK, that's good. Mine are well dormant at the moment and I am trying to remember not to water them when I water things around them. They grew well this summer (mainly due I think to repotting them so that I could send one to a friend overseas) so maybe I'll be lucky with flowers. Do you grow yours in full sun or in partial shade. Mine have been growing in morning sunshine only, not deliberately but just because that is where they ended up with the other Cyrtanthus. They've grown well but I don't know whether that is ideal for flowering or not. Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus and mackenii in the same conditions flower for me every year, if that gives any indication as to whether they are the right conditions?
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Sorry to report :
my self polliation of Cyrt. spiralis was not succsessfull :'( :'( :'(
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It happens, Hans. There's hopefully always another time. ;) I never know for sure which species are self fertile and which need a second clone. Always worth trying though.
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These flowers are very pretty!The Cyrtanthus at the first picture has interesting leaves.
I like these plants!
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Hi all ,
here today now a beautiful Cyrtanthus hybrid - small bulbs received from PBS in year 2004 , it is a cross between C. elatus X C. montanus
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Lovely Hans, you do grow them well.
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Hans,
That is lovely, isn't it!! Great height, flower shape and colour. VERY nice flower.
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David +Paul ;D
thank you for your compliments !
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In January has flowered here :
Cyrtanthus mackenii 'creme/white'
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I made a pic and forgot it to post ....also I have pollinate this plant : it was successfull and I got some seeds -
those I have sowing on 02.March ....they are well germinatet and so I remeber me....
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A lovely one Hans. It's almost apricot.
johnw
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Very nice Hans :)
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Hans, when did you sart to water please?
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David,
I have given in this winter my C.mackenii always a bit water ....
This plants with the creme/white flowers have I ordered last year in December ....they came with buds to me ...so I have it pottet and let here in my room to see when they flowers ....after 2 weeks they start .
I was so happy that I have ordered more plants from this nursery ( other colors of C.mackenii ) ....they came in January ( also with buds ) ....but they looks very bad because it was really cold in this time ....and I suppose the parcel is frozen :'( .....I have it pottet to save some plants -but one after one is died ( my wife has told it me before ) ....I have written two weeks later this the seller -but I wait until today for a answer :-[ .....I will never order anything from this nursery ( a german nursery )
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Thank you Hans. Sorry to hear about your losses.
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beautiful Hans compliments
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Thank you Alessandro :D
we can swap later ....
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Hans,
Is the colour in your picture accurate? Does it have that apricot tinge to it like it appears in the pic, or is it just the light conditions? I ask because I have a creamy white that doesn't have that apricot shading.
I also have a mackenii type in flower at the moment, this one a beautiful pink (flowering for the first time) that I received recently. Has a touch of peach to it, but mainly pink. I've been wanting a pink for a while now. Aren't the mackenii just wonderful!! 8)
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Paul ,
yes the color is true ....
From C. mackenii exist so many nice forms -you are rigth they are really beautifull ;)
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Hans,
Attached is a pic of the pink Cyrtanthus mackenii that I mentioned. It was taken mid last week. The flowers have become more apricot over time, but they are still definitely pink.
Enjoy.
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Wow Paul - what a pretty plant !
Thank you for sharing with us :D
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Very nice Paul.
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Very lovely flower and colour. Unfortunately, I lost all my Cyrtanthus this Winter due to the extreme cold in Cologne. Interestingly, the Brunsvigia seedlings have survived! Also, in the garden clumps of tender bulbs have survived the -15°C. Have to wait until they bloom to know which was which.
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Jamie,
did you planted the Cyrtanthus outside?
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Renate,
no, I had them in my cold house, but the heating wasn't adequate. I do try tender bulbs in the garden when I have extras. Cologne is typically a warm area, around -7°C at the coldest, but this Winter was the exception. Once established, I am amazed at how well some do, while others are very sensitive to wet and freeze-thaw cycles.
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Jamie,
the same here. Usually we have temperatures of -8 to -10 but this winter -18 and also it was a really long winter.
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I hope no-one minds me throwing in one from the Southern Hemisphere again.....
This is the second year of flowering of Cyrtanthus sanguineus x [C. sanguineus x loddigesiana]. Just a single flower on the stem again this year, so I assume it is the usual way of flowering for it. Creamy white with hints of apricot on some of the petals, with a slight bowl to the centre of the flower. As lovely this year as it was for the first time last year. It hasn't made any offsets this year, but it is now in it's own pot so I have it isolated from other pots to see whether there are differences with other seedlings.
Enjoy.
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Paul
much beautiful
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Hi all ,
today is flowering a nice cultivar :
Cyrtanthus 'Devil's Delight'
this is a hybrid between C.obrienii x C. macowanii
enjoy
Hans 8)
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Very pretty Hans ! 8)
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Thanks Luc :D
I hope to show soon more pics of other cultivars 8)
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Fantastic Cyrtanthus everyone! Our fields are dotted with C. contractus blooms at the moment - a very cheering sight as spring turns to summer 8)
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Here's a rather ancient picture (collage) of mine of C. epiphyticus growing in its natural habitat - the Drakensberg mountains of South Africa:
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i have just been given a lot of cyrtanthus mackennii mixed colours and would like to know is this sp evergreen or does it require a dormant period if so winter or summer.
By the way this is my first post here so hello evrybody.
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Hello, Davey, good to have you join us.... You'll find help from the Amaryllid fans here, I'm sure
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Here's a rather ancient picture (collage) of mine of C. epiphyticus growing in its natural habitat - the Drakensberg mountains of South Africa:
Interesting place where it grows - Suicide Cyrtanthus? ;)
Gerd
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Davey,
Welcome to the forum!!!
Re your Cyrtanthus mackenii and winters etc.... I think it will depend on where in the world you are. Here in my climate they're evergreen, in fact some of them seem to flower for me (particular mackenii variants that I have) in the middle of winter. I would definitely not dry them off in my climate, although I don't know how cold they will take and therefore whether severe enough cold will knock them back to the ground.
So without knowing anything more about your location I can't be of much more help.
All the best.
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sorry paul i'm in the uk,i will be growing them under cold glass conditions,no lower than 3c- 4c.
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Davey,
In that case they should be evergreen, at least they always have been for me. What colours did you get?
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sorry paul i'm in the uk,i will be growing them under cold glass conditions,no lower than 3c- 4c.
Davey
I hold it in cold greenhouse, I bloom from end January to March, is evergreen and he does not have details requirements, easy
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Paul im not sure of colours,i will email my friend and find out,cheers for yours and Alessandro's advice
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:D today a other nice hybrid :
Cyrtanthus 'Alexandra'
it is a triple cross between :
C.mackenii v. cooperii x C.bicolor x C.brachyscyphus
Hans 8)
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Hans,
A nice strong colour to it. It looks like the mackenii influence is pretty strong in it?
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Hans, really nice. Is it scented? I have 'Buttercup' now blooming and it is strongly scented
Cheers
Alberto
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Paul ,
it is a small flower - the flower tube is only 30 mm long
Alberto ,
sorry no fragrance .....please make a pic of 'Buttercup' when you find time !
Ciao
Hans
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Hans
beautiful a yellow nearly orange
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Hans
beautiful a yellow nearly orange
Thank you Alessandro :)
it is really a good orange color .....no help with photoshop ;D
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This would have to be Cyrtanthus mackenii red, but it is said that a red form does not exist, I have confronted with the Cyrtanthus obrienii, to my eyes seem equal, to perhaps be just C. obrienii ???
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Nice colour, Alessandro. 8)
Flowering here for me at the moment is Cyrtanthus 'Red Prince', which is a bit redder than in the picture (the camera is picking up more orange than in reality). Large, flared flowers make a great display. Originally given to me as C. mackenii 'Red Prince', I doubt this can be true as it looks to me to be a hybrid as I said. I'm open to any input if anyone has info on the parentage etc. 8)
Enjoy.
Please click on the pic for a larger version.
Edited somewhat later to correct name.... 'Red Prince', not 'Red Chief'. Sorry for boo boo. :-[
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Cyrtanthus sanguineus
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For some reason I missed this thread. Great pics Alessandro, Paul, Tomas and Hans.
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Hello,
Does anyone out there have much experience with cyrtanthus spiralis? I have had mine for a few years now and it doesn’t ever seem to grow much and has never flowered. I have been treating it as a summer grower and giving it the same conditions as my other succulents, but should I try it as a winter grower with my lachenalias etc? I would be most grateful for any tips; it is a nice plant but doesn’t do very much!
Many thanks, James.
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I had trouble with mine and then it went to Cyrtanthus heaven
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Hi James ,
please look here :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2124.0
I know many people have problems with this plants but for me it is easy ...I make nothing special ....and it flowers regular since two years.
Before some days I have seen that now start a offset :D
Hans
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James, see here, too... some advice given.... I'll combine this page to one of the others when time permits.... seed exchange queries call meantime..... ::)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1825.msg52920;topicseen#msg52920
Sorry, posted my list of references by mistake.... instead of just the one extra.... will combine all Cyrtanthus pages now!
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Hi all, I am sorry I had no time to take the picture before the flowers faded. Here is Cyrtanthus Buttercup, an hybrid C. mackenii var. cooperi x C. attenuatus. It is strongly scented!
Alberto
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Nice !!!
it seems you had a bit sunday today .... :-\
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Hans, flash was the only light today! fog fog fog
Alberto
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OK ...same as here !
very warm for November : 19° C !!! ...but no sun ....
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Alberto, Lovely cyrtanthus Buttercup, looks quite delicate
Hans J, 19c for you today that's good, what is it usually this time of year.
Angie :)
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Angie ,
in last week we had frost by nigth and 5° by day ....
Hans
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Hans J, that's quite a difference, maybe you will get some sun tomorrow that will keep your cyrtanthus happy, enjoyed your previous pictures of cyrtanthus. I liked your C.spiralis you would think someone took curling tonges to it 8) Keep posting your lovely plants.
Angie :)
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Hi Angie ,
today is sun :D
now I can also make some pics .....
To Cyrt. spiralis : I hope to get one day a second clone to make seeds ....
Hans
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Hi all, I am sorry I had no time to take the picture before the flowers faded. Here is Cyrtanthus Buttercup, an hybrid C. mackenii var. cooperi x C. attenuatus. It is strongly scented!
Alberto
lovely
Which color has the flower of C.attenuatus?
Alessandro
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Hi all ,
today is flowering here
Cyrtanthus eucallus
Enjoy
Hans 8)
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amazing!
Alberto
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Hans,
How big are the flowers? Sort of looks partway between mackenii and elatus in shape. Nice.
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Paul :
The flowers are 5 cm long and 3 cm in diameter !
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Hot!
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Hans
Lovely, Lovely, Lovely. Thanks for sharing.
Angie :)
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Hans, WOW ;D
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;) Thank you all ;)
...and of course I have it pollinatet ( selfed ) :-\
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Hans,
what a spectacular colour!