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Title: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 01, 2020, 07:34:03 PM: It's the height of 'hoop' season here, although the trumpets are racing ahead faster than I'd like.
I have good potfuls of some of our Moon series, since a chipping session has finally come to flowering! I also took some comparison photos so you can see differences between some of the cultivars. The names are with the photos. This batch compare Cyllene, Tellesto, Tethys and Themisto.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 01, 2020, 07:36:42 PM: Here are close-up shots of the flowers of Helene and my favourite, Tethys. Moon L is as yet unnamed. Almost all have a beautiful scent.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Gerdk on February 02, 2020, 09:50:59 AM: A really awesome presentation!

Anne, is it possible to add species (hybrid) names to the cultivars shown?
Another question is: Are the differences in heigth stable characteristics
of the resepective cultivars?

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 02, 2020, 10:23:57 AM: Hi Gerd, Yes, the heights are characteristic.
The parents are:
Themisto - romieuxii Atlas Gold x romieuxii albidus SF110
Moon L - Cantabricus petunioides x romieuxii Atlas Gold
Helene - romieuxii albidus SF110 OP
Tethys, Telesto, Cyllene - cantabricus petunioides x romieuxii albidus SF110
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Gerdk on February 02, 2020, 05:06:38 PM: Thank you Anne!

I repeat - a superb selection - especially the lower ones!

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Tim Harberd on February 03, 2020, 11:41:44 AM: Hi Anne,
‘’’Thanks’’’ for the wonderful pictures…. I’ve been trying to resist ‘Hoops’ for a while!!

Meanwhile I agree with trumpets being somewhat ahead… Attached the first daff in my (Yorkshire) garden this year (Spring Dawn) about three weeks ahead of the last two years, and I thought it was advanced even then!!

Tim DH
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: FrazerHenderson on February 03, 2020, 08:21:32 PM: I've been advised that the RHSDaffodil, Snowdrop and Tulip 2019 Yearbook will be published end of this week/early next week after a very long delay.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Gerdk on February 04, 2020, 08:09:53 AM: Quote from: FrazerHenderson on February 03, 2020, 08:21:32 PM
I've been advised that the RHSDaffodil, Snowdrop and Tulip 2019 Yearbook will be published end of this week/early next week after a very long delay.

This is good news - thank you Frazer!

Gerd
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 08, 2020, 04:28:27 PM: Fabulous narcissus collection, Anne :o :o :o :D :D :D 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 08, 2020, 04:34:47 PM: Narcissus ‘Don Stead’ Before-and-after ;D
The bulbs from Aberdeen. Thank you, M&I ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Maggi Young on February 08, 2020, 05:09:35 PM: Quote from: YT on February 08, 2020, 04:28:27 PM
Fabulous narcissus collection, Anne :o :o :o :D :D :D 8) 8) 8)
I hope we get to see how you grow these , Tatsuo - if they do as well as N. 'Don Stead' you show today, they will be even better than they appear with Anne! (And that's saying something! )
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Yann on February 08, 2020, 06:08:53 PM: There are incredible things here :o
Anne many bulbs in the pot??
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 08, 2020, 10:10:01 PM: I think the pot of Tethys has 47 bulbs in it! I would like to see how these grow for Tatsuo. :)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 09, 2020, 03:42:44 PM: At the moment...
Narcissus ‘Kalyke’ has just started to open its elegant flowers :D
N. ‘Themisto’ is comming soon ;)
N. ‘Tethys’ seems no flowers this season :(
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 09, 2020, 04:02:21 PM: This narcissus came from 2014 SRGC Seed Exchange labeled as “2802 Narcissus bulbocodium pallidus, ex SBL 237”
I really like this almost flat disk like flowered seedling. It looks a form of N. romieuxii than N. bubocodium var. pallidus for me, though ::)
Thank you to the seed donnor :-*
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 09, 2020, 04:39:01 PM: HA! ;D They look so cute!. If I planted them 10cm deep, maybe mine would look as nice....no, maybe not.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 10, 2020, 06:11:07 PM: Quote from: annew on February 09, 2020, 04:39:01 PM
HA! ;D They look so cute!. If I planted them 10cm deep, maybe mine would look as nice....no, maybe not.
I would be lucky I'm living at 35 degrees noth latitude, almost same as their native area - Morocco and southern Spain ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 10, 2020, 06:12:16 PM: Narcissus cantabricus var. petunioides (ex. Van Tubergen) x N. romieuxii
A seedling, bred and selected by me :)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 10, 2020, 07:05:31 PM: Superb!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 14, 2020, 03:47:23 PM: Narcissus ‘Themisto’ :)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Maggi Young on February 14, 2020, 04:31:29 PM: Quote from: YT on February 14, 2020, 03:47:23 PM
Narcissus ‘Themisto’ :)
Perhaps it's because it's Valentine's Day, but I see these wonderful flowers from Tatsuo and I think tiny wedding bouquets 8) ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 14, 2020, 04:55:44 PM: Happy Valentine's Day, Maggi :-*
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 14, 2020, 05:07:20 PM: Narcissus cantabricus ‘Clusii’ x N. cantabricus var. petunioides
I have to divide these seedlings into single bulbs and select flat coronas from parabolic ones next season. Fortunately they are far more vigorous than their pollen parent “petunioides”.
I donated the seeds collected from same parents to the SRGC Seed Exchange 2013. Hoping someone have already got flat corona seedlings ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 14, 2020, 11:20:21 PM: Quote from: YT on February 14, 2020, 03:47:23 PM
Narcissus ‘Themisto’ :)
I should just send my whole collection to Japan! If only we could grow them like that. :o :o
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Yann on February 15, 2020, 07:09:25 PM: Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. obesus
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 15, 2020, 07:39:08 PM: That's nice and early, Yann. My obesus are always much later.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Tristan_He on February 15, 2020, 10:00:29 PM: I am a big fan of obesus, it's a beautiful little thing. Grew some from SRGC seed 3 or 4 years ago, it is the only bulbocodium type I have found that seems to reliably grow and flower for me outdoors here in North Wales. Ordered a bunch more seed this year, I am hoping to get a colony going.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: ielaba2011 on February 16, 2020, 01:44:23 PM: Narcissus obesus is out again here in Central Portugal after a VERY mild and rainy winter.
Each year they come earlier. Very pretty in the rain, which they don't mind at all.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 16, 2020, 09:07:52 PM: Great to see them in the wild!
This is a nice lemon reverse bicolour unnamed seedling getting to know me again after 3 years growing on from chipping.
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The daffy hybrid house is really getting going now - very exciting!
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In the centre of the above photo is Brian Duncan's Cheeky Chappie
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In front left is Pet Lamb, another from Brian.
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Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 17, 2020, 04:14:44 PM: Quote from: annew on February 14, 2020, 11:20:21 PM
I should just send my whole collection to Japan! If only we could grow them like that. :o :o
I'm ready receiving them, Anne ;D ;D ;D

So lovely daffs not only your reverse bicolour seedling but Brian's :D
If I were in your glass house I could stay there all day :)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 17, 2020, 04:29:36 PM: Narcissus triandrus var. alejandrei x N. cantabricus var. petunioides
The first flower from seed :) Bred and sowed in 2015.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 17, 2020, 10:18:47 PM: Quote from: YT on February 17, 2020, 04:14:44 PM
I'm ready receiving them, Anne ;D ;D ;D

So lovely daffs not only your reverse bicolour seedling but Brian's :D
If I were in your glass house I could stay there all day :)
Me too!
That is a lovely hybrid.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rafa on February 22, 2020, 06:25:19 PM: amazing plants, everybody
here Narcissus muñozii-garmendiae
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rafa on February 22, 2020, 06:40:28 PM: Quote from: YT on February 17, 2020, 04:29:36 PM
Narcissus triandrus var. alejandrei x N. cantabricus var. petunioides
The first flower from seed :) Bred and sowed in 2015.

Hello Tatsuo, sorry if I have donated seeds under this name, it is diferent species from N. triandrus, the correct name is Narcissus iohannis
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 22, 2020, 07:14:35 PM: Quote from: Rafa on February 22, 2020, 06:25:19 PM
amazing plants, everybody
here Narcissus muñozii-garmendiae
What a beautiful sight!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on February 23, 2020, 02:22:26 AM: Quote from: Rafa on February 22, 2020, 06:40:28 PM
Hello Tatsuo, sorry if I have donated seeds under this name, it is diferent species from N. triandrus, the correct name is Narcissus iohannis
Thanks, Rafa. The seed parent of my hybrid came from JJA Seeds under the name as “707.380 : NARCISSUS TRIANDRUS var. ALEJANDREI” in 2007. Those seeds were collected by you in their habitat, exactly.
I've already posted the seed parent information and some pictures in another thread in this forum.
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9360.msg402462#msg402462 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9360.msg402462#msg402462)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rafa on February 23, 2020, 10:41:26 AM: yes, you are right Tatsuo, but it is necessary to update this name as it is a good species different from Narcissus triandrus since F. Casas did a new revision of Ganymedes section. You can read it here https://bibdigital.rjb.csic.es/viewer/1526032/?offset=#page=1&viewer=thumb&o=bookmarks&n=0&q=
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 25, 2020, 07:15:48 PM: A day to photograph some of our miniature daffodils. Some are flowering for the first time after chipping, so it's nice to have a decent potful until some go to new homes in the summer :)
Deryn and Mica are newly registered.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 25, 2020, 07:17:28 PM: Some more - never a show when you need one.
KS/M/1/2007 is a hybrid from Keira bulbs.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on February 25, 2020, 07:18:31 PM: Last few. Papa Snoz is also from Keira.
Speedie, Little Racer and Wee Nod from Brian Duncan.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Yann on February 28, 2020, 08:33:15 PM: Anne this is a wonderful display, :o
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on March 01, 2020, 04:25:59 PM: Quote from: annew on February 25, 2020, 07:15:48 PM
A day to photograph some of our miniature daffodils. Some are flowering for the first time after chipping, so it's nice to have a decent potful until some go to new homes in the summer :)
Deryn and Mica are newly registered.

So beautiful, Anne :D Your newly registerd Deryn and Mica are outstanding!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on March 01, 2020, 04:31:29 PM: Tiny narcissus hybrids from my generous friend :) :) :)

Narcissus ‘Candlepower’ x N. cyclamineus
Narcissus asturiensis x N. cyclamineus
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on March 02, 2020, 03:03:03 PM: Narcissus x ubriquense.
See http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3656.msg96254#msg96254 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3656.msg96254#msg96254)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on March 02, 2020, 03:38:28 PM: Narcissus asturiensis x ‘candlepower’
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on March 02, 2020, 09:35:56 PM: Narcissus ~~cordubensis~~ Narcissus cerrolazae from Grazelema, Spain
Multiplying well in a sand plunge in a frame open to cold
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on March 03, 2020, 03:09:01 AM: All are charming miniature natural/garden hybrids, Rimmer :)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on March 03, 2020, 03:15:48 AM: Narcissus bulbocodium var. pallidus, JJA 696.600
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Karaba on March 03, 2020, 09:33:57 AM: Quote from: Rimmer de Vries on March 02, 2020, 09:35:56 PM
Narcissus cordubensis from Grazelema, Spain
Rafa would have said Narcissus cerrolazae ;)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Yann on March 03, 2020, 08:30:16 PM: Quote from: YT on March 03, 2020, 03:15:48 AM
Narcissus bulbocodium var. pallidus, JJA 696.600
a stuning form, if you get seeds i'm your man :)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on March 03, 2020, 08:43:22 PM: Some sturdy small multi flower narcissus blooming without ID papers.
They survived a tremendous T-storm with lots pf hail last night

Any ideas on ID?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on March 03, 2020, 08:46:00 PM: Narcissus asturiensis From SRGC seed. A tiny plant.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Karaba on March 03, 2020, 10:07:04 PM: Quote from: YT on March 03, 2020, 03:15:48 AM
Narcissus bulbocodium var. pallidus, JJA 696.600
As it comes from Morocco, it's not any more a bulbocodium but more a romieuxii or, if I believe http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/bd/cjb/africa/details.php?langue=fr&id=156041, (http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/bd/cjb/africa/details.php?langue=fr&id=156041,) Narcissus peroccidentalis.
What ever its name, as Yann said, a stuning plant ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Pauli on March 04, 2020, 03:52:21 PM: Please can anybody help with the identification of this Narcissus from Sardinia
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Karaba on March 04, 2020, 04:23:37 PM: Quote from: Rimmer de Vries on March 03, 2020, 08:43:22 PM
Some sturdy small multi flower narcissus blooming without ID papers.
They survived a tremendous T-storm with lots pf hail last night

Any ideas on ID?

Narcissus jonquilla ? (or N. fernandesii ;))
have a look to https://dialnet.unirioja.es/descarga/articulo/5447535.pdf (writen by Barra Lázaro, Alfredo, Ureña Plaza and Rafa Díez Domínguez)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Karaba on March 04, 2020, 04:24:55 PM: Quote from: Pauli on March 04, 2020, 03:52:21 PM
Please can anybody help with the identification of this Narcissus from Sardinia
Look like a Narcissus papyraceus
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Pauli on March 04, 2020, 06:41:11 PM: Thanks very much, Karaba!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rimmer de Vries on March 04, 2020, 07:56:08 PM: Thank you
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on March 04, 2020, 08:12:23 PM: Quote from: Yann on March 03, 2020, 08:30:16 PM
a stuning form, if you get seeds i'm your man :)
ME TOO!!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on March 04, 2020, 08:14:49 PM: I'm finding it very hard to leave the daffodil hybrid house just now... :D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Maggi Young on March 04, 2020, 10:08:03 PM: Quote from: FrazerHenderson on February 03, 2020, 08:21:32 PM
I've been advised that the RHSDaffodil, Snowdrop and Tulip 2019 Yearbook will be published end of this week/early next week after a very long delay.

The RHS Daffodil, Snowdrop and Tulip Yearbook 2019 has now been published and is available from
John Gibson 14 Waverley Road Kettering Northants NN156NT

The cost is £10 including postage to UK addresses. Please send cheque for £10 payable to RHS. Alternatively payment can be made through PayPal to gibbo.john@ntlworld.com Cost including postage to other EU countries is £14.70 and to the rest of the world £17.30
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 05, 2020, 02:21:00 AM: Quote from: annew on March 04, 2020, 08:14:49 PM
I'm finding it very hard to leave the daffodil hybrid house just now... :D
Just as well that the International Daffodil Convention is in Canberra in September! ;)
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on March 05, 2020, 03:19:17 AM: Quote from: Yann on March 03, 2020, 08:30:16 PM
a stuning form, if you get seeds i'm your man :)
Quote from: annew on March 04, 2020, 08:12:23 PM
ME TOO!!
Both you'll be my men ;D
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on March 05, 2020, 03:24:55 AM: Quote from: annew on March 04, 2020, 08:14:49 PM
I'm finding it very hard to leave the daffodil hybrid house just now... :D

♪ Ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth?
♪ Ooh, heaven is a place on earth

I've just remembered this song :)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rafa on March 12, 2020, 08:49:04 PM: absolutely superb plants!

Here, bicolor to pale mutant N. fernandesii
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rafa on March 12, 2020, 08:59:02 PM: Narcissus x carpetanus nothosubsp. nova
(Narcissus bublcodium subsp. bulbocodium x Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. graellsii)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on March 12, 2020, 10:44:26 PM: Quote from: Rafa on March 12, 2020, 08:49:04 PM
absolutely superb plants!

Here, bicolor to pale mutant N. fernandesii
Very pretty! Not a hybrid?
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Rafa on March 16, 2020, 11:07:07 PM: yes it is a huge group of hybrids, and very few pure plants from graellsii and bulbocodium subspespecies
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: YT on March 17, 2020, 06:25:23 AM: Quote from: Rafa on March 12, 2020, 08:59:02 PM
Narcissus x carpetanus nothosubsp. nova
(Narcissus bublcodium subsp. bulbocodium x Narcissus bulbocodium subsp. graellsii)
I love their flatter corona :D (not virus!!!)
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: shelagh on March 17, 2020, 04:28:57 PM: We had this pan of Narcissus Tiny Bubbles on the bench at Kendal and it's looking even better now. We first saw it at our local Horticultural show in Ramsbottom because they have a section for the Daffodil Society. Just 3 stems in a vase but I thought they looked good. It is a x between N. cyclamineus and N. jonquilla there are two or even three flowers to a stem and it has a lovely perfume.
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: Maggi Young on March 17, 2020, 04:57:45 PM: Two points about 'Tiny Bubbles' that resonate with me, Shelagh, first, two or three flowers to a stem and second, nicely scented. Sounds good!
Title: Re: Narcissus February 2020
Post by: annew on March 17, 2020, 05:42:43 PM: Looks good too!