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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Thomas Huber on November 16, 2006, 02:20:47 PM
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Different forms of Crocus laevigatus are still flowering in the warm sunshine in my garden:
C. laevigatus SL171 from Evia/Greece
C. laevigatus albus and "Fontenayi" side by side
C. asumaniae
C. robertianus
C. ochroleucus
Hope, everything will be OK with my first photos on the new board!!!! ??? :-\
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It all looks fine to me Thomas.
I had noticed the Crocus thread was empty and was going to post a picture but you saved me the trouble.
My C. laevigatus albus is out but Fonteanyi is nowhere to be seen at the moment.
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2 forms of C laevigatus raised in different years from seed but from the same parent. Even in one pot there is variation. The pale one on its own is close to the parent but the others have hybridised with other laevigatus.
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Thomas, what on Earth is that thing in the foreground of your C. ochrocleucus picture? Some sort of fungus/toadstool?
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Yes Martin, it's a fungus, but I don't know exactly which one?
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Hi Thomas
I must say I like to see the little pictures of forumists next to their posting. It's like having a cosy chat with old friends (better say close friends so's not to offend other geriatrics like moi) and I remember faces much better than names.
I think that this is Crocus ochroleucus but again it is grown from seed and I have been fooled many times.
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Yes John - I'm with you, I love the photos of the members that I only knew by name so far!!!
Especially Martin B looks better and better from day to day ;D
Your crocus looks like ochroleucus, but I wondered that the flower is opened flat?
Crocus ochroleucus never opens that wide, only like the two flowers below!
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Here is Tony taking the pictures for you.
Earlier this week.
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Thomas, the Crocus was opened up by my fat little fingers to show the inner parts for ID.
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Hi,
Crocus ochroleucus is the last flowering Crocus in my meadow.
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I want to share my pulchellus photos which has taken just before captured to my pots. I think they looks better at the wild.
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last a few photos
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Franz, now I see a photo of you I feel I know you better, and not just your lovely flowers!
Welcome Ibrahim, good to have you join us here. You have found yourself among many Crocus friends!
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Thank you Maggi !
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Here is (almost) the full range of Crocus laevigatus that Ian viewed on his visit here. Ironic that I should go to Aberdeen just before the season started and Ian comes here just as the last few flowers show. We'll have to organise that better next time!
The first shot is of some 'ordinary' seedlings.
2nd is a lovely large flowered white with gold reverses for which I thank Hubi.
3rd and 4th are a pot of very mixed seedlings.
5th is a close up of one of these which I think is a hybrid, with the pollen parent being a Cretan laevigatus while the seed parent was a pale medium sized and almost unmarked white form.
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I think I will make more posts using the new forum set-up. It helps to keep the text close to the image.
Here is Crocus hyemalis a seldom cultivated species from Israel. I have been fortunate to obtain some material from an Israeli crocus enthusiast. Hopefully I can persuade them to set seed but this season each of the 3 corms that has flowered has done so independantly of the others! It is a fairly large flowered plant with a reputation for being slightly tender. I will be keeping it in the greenhouse (under the bench where many seedling bulbs live) for now.
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Welcome to the SRGC Forum, Ibrahim!
A really impressive pulchellus collection!
Thanks for sharing them with us!
The one with the red style is pulchellus x speciosus Hybrid!
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I panicked a bit because the first part of some pages was disappearing but now I see there is a page number to the left. This will help download times and still make previous posts on any topic very accessible. Another plus.
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Thank you so much Thomas. It was happiness for me.
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Hello Ibrahim. Welcome from an English crocus enthusiast! I am interested in your collection of Crocus pulchellus. The pictures look as if they are growing wild. Are they pictures of wild plants or garden grown plants? I grow several forms which look quite similar to yours in my garden.
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I'm normally the one dishing out advice but now I need some. How do I post multiple images?
Mark, might I respectfully suggest that, failing the "official" help pages, you might care to read the page of Questions/Answers posted on this forum to be of assistance?
This is the page you need:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=41.0
Cheers,
Maggi
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Mark, click on "more attachments" right beneath the path of the first one!
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Hello Tony.
I'm glad to hear from you. That is right. They were wild grown but many of them are not wild any more!!
I have selected many different forms and put them ın the pots without any disturbing. Next summer I'll replant them.
It is amazing for me,to see fauna and so many different forms on their own place.
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The dark form of Crocus laevigatus is one of the last flowering Crocus in my bulb frame for which I thank Tony.
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A very fine form of laevigatus, Franz, and from a good home! Wonderful photographs, as usual. Thank you!
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thanks Maggi. I've master the technique now.
In the old forum I mentioned buying Crocus sativus. Would you like to know how many flowers the 30 bulbs have? None! On the other hand the cartwrightianus 'Albus' are all flowering well
I have some unplanted Crocus that I found today. I hang my head in shame to say I have had them for probably two months. Do the Croconuts think it is worth planting them? They are spring flowering and have long noses but not showing any green. Poor Crocus! Maybe they thinks it's been very bad drought!
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Of course it's worth trying Mark. You lose nothing by that and maybe they'll be OK. If you don't plant them - no crocuses at all. Maybe they won't be as good this year but I'm pretty sure they'll survive OK. I hate to tell you this, but I've had clumps of Nerines sitting at the end of my potting bench for a full 18 months and they still have survived. Didn't flower for a couple of years but eventually they did.
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Mark, did your C. sativus come from Walkers Bulbs - available from every outlet in the UK! We have exactly the same result with ours; lots of grass but not a single flower >:(. Also put a bag in the garden and I dont even know if they came up.
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Mark, shame on you >:(
Bulbs are true survivors and they are perfectly capable of surviving this type of abuse.
If you plant them now then the worst you can expect is the roots will not grow, as they may have passed the time window or the emerging tips may have died off. Then the corms will go into survival mode and pass on their food store to a new corm for next year, they may or may not send up some leaves.
My guess is that if you plant them and water them well they will produce a reduced root system and may even send up a flower for you, not that you deserve it. ;)
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Mark, I've planted (spring)-Crocus even around Christmas and they have survived.
They didn't flower well, but had lots of flowers in the next year.
Autumn-crocus planted in January sent leaves, but no flowers in the first year.
You only have to possibilities: Plant them, or throw'em in the rubbish!
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First sunshine after more than a week of rain and I found this surprise in the rockgarden:
Crocus korolkowii "Mountains Glory"
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I've never seen a spring flowering Crocus that early before :o
They didn't get any special treatment, I've just planted them outside.
Anne, what about the one I sent you in summer?
Two similar plants are still flowering.
C. biflorus ssp melantherus
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C. laevigatus, creme coloured
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You can see the difference when looking inside of the flower.
C. laevigatus has white anthers, melantherus has black ones:
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David my Crocus came from either Taylors or Walkers. sativus 'grass' below
I'll get my 'lost' Crocus planted tomorrow. Lashing here today
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Mark
My saffron crocuses came from Taylors and I got a whole two flowers and lots of grass (and they flowered while I was away on holiday). So I'm trying the feed them well and see what happens next year - maybe it was just a bad year for these crocuses wherever they are grown commercially.
Sue
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Thomas, mine is in a pot but is at the same stage. Some C baytopiorum are also showing blue!
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These Spring crocus are thoroughly confused .... wonder if the cold, wet weather in august triggered early root and shoot development? Mine were still dry under cover at that time and are not so advanced as Thomas and Anne report.
The Crocus sativus corms that I have seen in garden centres are often rather small. In my frame I have found corms up to 4cm diameter, which of course flower OK. They do need very deep planting and a rich soil. Grown commercially in North Wales they also need lifting and splitting every few years. If you can grow and flower Crocus sativus in a pot in consetutive years you are a better man than I am Gunga Din!
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Thomas. Here are a few more with red style which I think very interesting. The 3th. one is much bigger
then you have said hybrid and flower tube was quite white and strong. l put that one in the pot even if
it is hybrid. l think. l do not get you boring.
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More good crocus, Ibrahim. Where do you live? We'd like to hear more about you and what else you like to grow.
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Mark, I bought a bag of Crocus sativus at a garden centre in December 2004 and the bulbs had produced leaves in the packet but they were being sold very cheap. I potted them up and just got leaves in 2005 but this year about 7 out of 10 of them flowered. Worth the feeding and effort.
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It's amazing the Crocus pages have been viewed 660 times since it's creation 9 days ago
I fed them today with tomato food.
When my Crocus finish flowering or look like they wont I'm removing them from the plunges to spend the rest of the winter outside. To my surprise today Crocus laevigatus dark form ex Tony Goode had produced flowers. Up to about a two weeks ago all I had was well advanced leaves. What a combination of the wide stripe of purple on the outside and the cream inside. I know Thomas has posted some already.
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Hi Maggi!!
I live in Istanbul where the west meets with the east. I am interesting mostly crocus grow and research them
on the wild. I like to gorw many plants but it is nat posible.
Mark, for me also crocus pages is the best archive.
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There are many of us here who are particularly fond of Crocus, Ibrahim....it appears that we can call ourselves by the collective name of "croconuts" , which is funny for those of us with english as our first language but it may just sound silly to you! I don't know if you realise or not, but there was a special Crocus section in the old forum, as well as many other posts about crocus in other pages.... these are all still available to be read and there is a search facility, also. The main Crocus pages of the old forum are listed at this link:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/5012/5012.html?1163445358
I am sure that you and many others will find much there to interest you.
Best Wishes!
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I'm having my first crack at Crocus growing and would welcome a bit of advice please. I have a four pans of Crocus chrysanthus varieties in my greenhouse, bought at the end of August and potted first week in September, and all of them are showing their noses well above the grit. My questions are:
Should they be so far advanced at this time of year or is this perfectly normal?
If it's abnormal are there possible reasons for it apart from Global Warming, Autumn in Devon has been very wet and windy (to the extreme!) but very warm. Greenhouse temperature today was pushing 18C.
Should I water and feed now, or just water.
I have two pans of Crocus tommasinianus varieties but so far nothing showing.
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David my chrysanthus cultivars and other spring Crocus are now above soil level too as are a couple of my tommies. Crocus 'Advance' has leaves showing. Ian Young, Tony Goode or Thomas will have views but I think it's been the very mild autumn
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David - I would get those crocuses out of the greenhouse and into an open frame. The advance of the shoots is not so unusual, especially in pots. Keep them as cool as possible and the flowering will be delayed for a while. Once the leaves lengthen and the buds appear you can bring them into the warm again and enjoy the flowers in comfort. They may well flower very early by the sound of things. :)
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Mark-are yours in the garden or under glass?
Tony-thanks for the advice I will get them out of the greenhouse tomorrow.
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David mine are in a cold glasshouse that gets no sun from mid November until maybe late February. Up to last week they were lined up in bread baskets outside.
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Crumbs Mark :o. You're worse off than me. At least my greenhouse gets a couple of hours of sun in the winter.
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When Ian came to visit 2 weeks ago this pot of Crocus laevigatus was looking good. This dark form is a very good doer both in pots and in the open garden. Flowering in the cool days of winter it puts on a good show for several weeks. There are more buds rising beneath the canopy!
As some of you know I don't go in for naming every nice form that I see but perhaps this one is worthy of a name. It has ticks in all the right boxes!
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it definitely does. My potful has been to the Ulster Group lecture on the 11th, Dublin Group weekend on the 17-19th and to a daff group lecture on the 26th where everyone liked the colour combination
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Tony-Exquisite springs to mind.
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Nice to see such a lovely group Tony
Here I think is a chip of the old block - in other words a bit from you - which has been going for weeks now
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Great pics everyone!!
So nice to see Crocus at this time of year..... a long way off at the moment until I'll see them in person again. February at the earliest!!
The Crocus laevigatus with the dark outer petals is most impressive. Reminds me a little of the darkness of things like C. minimus. Must be lovely. That species is definitely one of my favourites, but at this stage I only have one form of it (although one seed of the alba form from Thomas has germinated this spring, somewhat out of season but has so far survived for a couple of months so there is hope! :) ). It is always interesting to see that there are so many other varieties of them, whereas here in Aus we basically have just a single form that does the rounds only.
Again, great pics everyone. Thanks for sharing.
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Welcome back, Paul!
Tony's dark laevigatus was one of the seeds I offered you in July.
Surely next year I will have some more for you!!!
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Welcome back from me too Paul, though I see your crocus reply is no 11 so I'm missing something somewhere. Tim told me he thought you might be working for someone somewhere. I hope that's so, and your long absence hasn't all been due to illness. Take care.
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Normally we have each day fog, but if the sun shines flowers Tony's Crocus laevigatus marvellously.
First picture in fog
Second in sunshine.
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Welcome back, Paul!
Tony's dark laevigatus was one of the seeds I offered you in July.
Surely next year I will have some more for you!!!
Thomas,
Hmmmm.... did I realise that it was a dark form? ;D I definitely took you up on the alba as it was different. I didn't realise that there were that many different forms of them.... only just reached that realisation. Definitely silly of me if I didn't take you up on that offer. Or are you telling me that i did get some of that seed from you and so I have seed down of it already?
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Hello everyone,
Here are some Crocus pictures from Parnon range in the eastern Peloponnese, photographed on October 7th this year. This population was above Agia Vasileios in the southern part of the Parnon. It seems to be Crocus hadriaticus ssp. parnonicus, although the great majority of the plants (perhaps 90%) had white rather than pale lilac flowers, although some of these may have been very pale lilac. None of the crocuses in this population had a yellow throat, which seems to rule out ssp. hadriaticus. Crocus hadriaticus ssp. parnassicus from further north (Mount Parnassos) also has white flowers with a completely white throat. A few years ago I explored the northern part of the Parnon range and also found Cr. hadriaticus, all the plants there had white flowers although I don't know the colour of the troat.
Does anone know if all Crocus hadriaticus in the Parnon range should be regarded as ssp. parnonicus? Or is it possible that there are more subspecies in the area? Is ssp. parnonicus always lilac or is it quite normal to find white forms of this subspecies?
Kees Jan van Zwienen, Netherlands
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Welcome, Kees, it is good to have you join us in this forum. It seems a long time since you visited us here in Aberdeen... well, it IS a long time since then!
These questions about the crocus you have seen will soon bring good opinions from the "Croconuts, I think!
Hans, you had me thinking hard about Kerkyra.. not a name I am familiar with... but then I looked more closely at the name of your photo file, shown under the picture and, as I am very fond of saying "There's often a clue" !!!!
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Hello Kees - Great to see pictures of crocus in their natural habitat. Thanks for posting them.
Brian Mathew defined the lilac flowered plants from Mt Parnon area as ssp parnonicus describing them as being without the yellow zone in the throat. He writes (in Botanika Chronika 13, 2000) that the yellow throated lilac forms found in the Taigetos may possibly be the result of introgression from ssp parnonicus. The yellow throated lilac forms are known as ssp hadriaticus fma lilacinus. In the article he notes that this ssp requires further investigation in the field to determine its distribution and degree of variation. You saw it at the type locality.
PS Any more pics of crocus in the wild will be welcome :)
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Kess and Hans,
Thank you both for the pics. Great stuff!! 8)
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Wonderful photos, Kees and Hans!
Hans, your crocus IS boryi! Hadriaticus has yellow anthers!
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Hans - the Montenegro crocus is C vernus ssp vernus. This variant with dark blotches on the tips of the petals used to be called 'C heuffelianus' or 'C scepusiensis'. Do you have any pictures which show the inside of the flower?
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Hans, your first photo looks like Crocus hadriaticus.
The second could be C. boryi with its much devided style, but I can't see the anther colour.
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I think the 2nd pic may be 2 species. C boryi or C laevigatis for the open flower but the others have a brownish stain at the throat so must be C hadriaticus. The 1st pic - yes, C hadriaticus.