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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Hans J on April 24, 2008, 07:52:09 PM
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Hi @ all !
The peony flower season has startet before some day -but with this bad wether it was not possibly to make ealier pics - here some from today :
Paeonia maireii
Paeonia morrisii
Paeonia qiui ( one of the rarest peonies )
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some more :
Paeonia russoi
Paeonia szechuanica
Paeonia tenuifolia
...to be continued....
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Very nice indeed Hans, I particularly liked Paeonia qiui. Do you devote a large part of your garden to Paeonia?
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David ,
I'm glad that you like it !
But dont have any hope to get a P. qiui .....and it seems it is not self fertil !
My garden is more or less full with peonies -I prefer all kind of species ....
I have now stopped with sowing of them -because there are so many in pots ( and thats like peony not ! )
many are in waiting position ....
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As our paeonies here are just growing their leaves, most are only 30 to 40cms out of the ground, it will be a while yet before we see such beauty, so it is great to share your flowers, Hans 8)
I have never seen P. qiui before... how very lovely it is. Paeony flowers make me think of ladies in fabulous evening dresses !
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Maggi ,
....and lilac will also start soon !
Wait - and you will see some beauties more .....
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Lilacs so soon?
Look what we said last year, at almost the same time : Re: Flowering now April 2007
« Reply #212 on: April 19, 2007, 04:27:52 PM »
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Hans, you have made my day so bright with these lovely flowers! Felix has a fine place to make his sleeping spot, does he not? How luxurious to take your siesta under a P. rockii!!
I am very excited to have seed of these excellent forms: for instance, the form of P. rockii IR... so pink and what wonderful colour in the foliage! Today I have told my peonies in the garden that their cousins are making flowers in Germany: here we have only leaves and some buds which show promise for a few weeks' time.
Some of this are really rare like P. qiui and P. decomposita
Super to see these plants, Hans. I have not seen them before in "real life". Beautiful! What a joy your garden must be to you with all these fine plants!
So the timings are similar to last year but I have still not seen the P. qiui in real life!
Maybe next year ::)
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Maggi - thank you !
It is real interesting ...it is really near the same time !
The P. rockii will need some days more ...
In this year I will have some plants ( self growing from seed )who flowering for the first time !!!
I fear you will never seen P. qiui in real in your country - exept you come and visit my garden .
They are really rare in China - and only with very good connections is it possibly to get a plant ....
I wrote you by my return from Athens that there has flowering the lilac ....now near 4 weeks later start it's here... 8)
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Hans,
Beautiful! I too like 'Qui'. Such delicacy! :D
P. tenuifolia is a favourite of mine as I love the leaves. I used to grow it but never managed to flower it unfortunately before it died out one year due to the maraudings of blackbirds damaging the new shoots and covering everything with mulch. I lost a few Paeonia that same year unfortunately. I've seen it in flower in a friend's garden though and the combination of that lovely soft looking green foliage and the BRIGHT red cup-like flowers is very very striking. Lovely to see it here again as my friend has now moved many hours away so no chance of seeing it in person again for a while.
Thanks for the wonderful pictures and looking forward to seeing more of them.
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Hi Hans
The pics are every bit as good as I imagined. P szechuanica is very fine; lovely foliage and flowers.
Gerry
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Paul ,
If you will come to Europe ( one fine day ) so it is not a problem to give you seedlings of P. tenuifolia ;)
the correct name for this Paeonia is P. qiui ( it is escriptet from Pei & Hong in 1995 ) and it was found in province Hubei ,they grows on 1650 - 2000 m altitude .
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Hi Gerry ,
Yes the leaves of P. szechuanica are really interesting - I will show here in few days a similar plant :
P. decompostia
The botanists are not shure if it is the same or a seperate species .
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Hans, very fine paeonia. I believe there is a pink fever, what will start in me. Yesterday I had the first flower of a P. russoi in my garden. It closes a gap between the very early P. mairei and the later ones. But all aren`t not as showy as your brillant plants.
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Hagen ,
Thanks !
Wait - and you will see other colors too ....
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My favourite is P. tenuifolia, very lovely paeonies Hans! Are there any yellow ones?
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Michael ,
be patient !
yellow will follow 8)
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Hans
What impressing Paeonia collection! My favorite is Paeonia qiui.
I met peonies two weeks ago at Caucasus.
Paeonia caucasica
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Paeonia sp.
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http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_07990ba1.jpg
The same spesies form with pink flowers
(http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/m_fff7342c.jpg)
http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_586f1c10.jpg
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I'm agree with Mike! P. tenuifolia is one of my favorite Paeonias too!!!! ;D
But I like so much when it's in buds!!!! It's looking like little green baa-lambs! ;D
This species is native for my country - SE part of Ukraine and Crimea. Moreover, in Crimea it's subdivided into three separate species:
Paeonia tenuifolia
P. biebersteiniana and
P. lithophila.
I've got its fully double form - P. tenuifolia ‘Plena’ = P. tenuifolia f. laciniata, that doesn't flower yet at me, so will wait.....
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Lovely baa-lambs you have there, Dima!
Here in Aberdeen we have problems with the buds of P. tenuifolia aborting and rotting off at an early stage... any ideas why this should be, other than adverse weather conditions, which I don't think is always the case?
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Maggi!
I think in your case may be better to change the clone of it? or to seed another plants?
Buds aborting may be lack of warm and hot conditions in summer when it makes the buds and flower's organs during summer embriogenesis. As a result - not well developped buds that rot later in early spring.
The ke moment for flowering for this STEPPE! species is hot and DRY! summer rest, I think.
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Dima, thank you!
So, it is most likely the fact that our summers are too cold and wet... :P...... Hmm.....I have thought that about our summers for a long time ;) We are hoping for new clones from seed we have, thankfully, so perhaps in a few years the story will be different :-\
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Hans,
Sorry for the misspelling.... I read it as qui not qiui. Obviously I'm going blind in my old age. Unfortunately unless I MOVE to Europe I couldn't take you up on the offer of the seedlings, as they wouldn't let me bring them in when I came home. I am somewhat doubting I will move to Europe, given I am doubting whether I'll even get to just VISIT there. ::) ;)
Dimitri that clump of tenuifolium is stunning!! What a wonderful display.
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Hans
What impressing Paeonia collection! My favorite is Paeonia qiui.
I met peonies two weeks ago at Caucasus.
Paeonia caucasica
(http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/m_215571ce.jpg)
http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_b32ece1d.jpg
Paeonia sp.
(http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/m_cc9dad32.jpg)
http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_07990ba1.jpg
The same spesies form with pink flowers
(http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/m_fff7342c.jpg)
http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_586f1c10.jpg
Hi Olga ,
ALways great to see peonies in the wild !
I suppose your pics are made in Akcharia or Abchasia ?
P. caucasica I know from the wild too -your other ( white flowering )is P. wittmanniana or macrophylla ...I should see a close up from flower - wait : I will post pics from both species.
From friends I have received seeds from P. wittmanniana from Georgia ...but they are difficult to grow ...
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I agree with Mike! P. tenuifolia is one of my favorite Paeonias too!!!! ;D
But I like so much when it's in bud!!!! It's looking like little green baa-lambs! ;D
This species is native for my country - SE part of Ukraine and Crimea. Moreover, in Crimea it's subdivided into three separate species:
Paeonia tenuifolia
P. biebersteiniana and
P. lithophila.
I've got its fully double form - P. tenuifolia ‘Plena’ = P. tenuifolia f. laciniata, that doesn't flower yet at me, so will wait.....
Hi Dimitri ,
Nice to speak with the habitat of this plants !
I grow also the other subspecies : lithophila,biebersteiniana,cartalinica
Also tenuifolia flore pleno and forma rosea
In my eyes there's no big differences between these subspecies -maybe only local forms ....
I have plants from Krim and seedlings from Georgia ...
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....Here in Aberdeen we have problems with the buds of P. tenuifolia aborting and rotting off at an early stage... any ideas why this should be, other than adverse weather conditions, which I don't think is always the case?
Maggi :
I fear it is a problem with your weather ....you should plant it ( in fall ) on a dry and sunny place ....with a perfect drainage ( in a rockgarden) .....as the name says : lithophila = stone loving
Dimitri is real right as he say it is a Steppe plant !!!
I think in your conditions could you well grow P. anomala ( they grows from Sibiria - Finland ) -I have a problem with this plants ...here is it too hot and sunny and dry ....so I can not hold it !
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Hans,
.... I'm going blind in my old age.... unless I MOVE to Europe I couldn't take you up on the offer of the seedlings, as they wouldn't let me bring them in when I came home. I am somewhat doubting I will move to Europe, given I am doubting whether I'll even get to just VISIT there. ::) ;)
Paul : dont forget ...you are 39 !!!! .....I'm soon 59 ;D
I know your problems with importing ....would you have seeds of P.tenuifolia ( or lithophila ) ?
This species of peonies are really easy to grow - I need from sowing to the first flower 4 years -thats the shortest time of all ....normaly 6-8 ....and my ludlowii needs 10 years .....
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Hans, I think that's all these mentionned subspecies in real are the same and one unique species - P. tenuifolia!!! All another - only local geographical clones with more or less prominent differencies. ;)
Although I've never seen its rose form in nature....
Maggi! May be seed-raised tenuifolias will be most prolific in your rainy climate, I hope! And from crimean Paeonias you may to try P. daurica - very wonderful Paeonia from crimean forests not from steppous conditions as P. tenuifolia likes. When my P. daurica blooms soon - I'll post its photos on this page! Moreover, it seeds very prolific too. And it will be very good to find the most sunny and drainaged place in your garden :)
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Dimitri ,
I'm glad that you agree ....
I will post soon a pic of this rosa flowering form ....but this clone is not so well flowering than my others ...
I'm interest to see your white flowering ! ....here i have always heard only rumors about this plant ....
Yes P. daurica is not so difficult - for me is this the same as caucasica !
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Hans
I am not good in peonies; they take too much space in garden. :) But I always like to see them in the wild. P. caucasica is common to N. Caucasus. White-flowered species is more robust and very rare. Pictures are made at Russian/Abchasian border.
Dima (http://forum.cofe.ru/images/smilies/hi.gif)
Gentlemen, I like P. tenuifolia to. Moreover, it was one of my first discoveries in the wild. When I was a child. :) And I’ve never seen pink and white-flowered plants.
I agree with your recommendations to Maggi. P. anomala seems to be more tolerate to wet and not sunny conditions. P. tenuifolia grows at steppe at sunny stony dry places.
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I'd never got around to looking it up but I had wondered about the relationships of lithophila. I have seedlings coming along of that species, with rather intricate leaves. I figured it was something in the way of fine leaves as an adult but I hadn't realised it was a ssp of tenuifolia. Yet another something learned here this morning!! 8)
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Which peonies are more suitable for shade than for sun?
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Which peonies are more suitable for shade than for sun?
Arne :
You can grow many species in shade or half shade - the most peonies are in her habtiat in woods ( in mountains ) the grow in edges or clearings between trees ,maccia and garrique .
Really good for shade are P. obovata ,veitschii,maireii
half schade prefer : mascula ,officinalis,
lactiflora and hybrids likes more sunny places
Morning sun in winter is not good for peonies !
I hope this will help you a bit !
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Here some pics more :
P.mlokosewitschii
P. morrisii
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and more :
P. lithophila
P. tenuifolia f. rosea
P. clusii ( pink )
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Fantastic Hans! So many and all so special...
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It is a wet evening but I had to pop outside to get these quick pix of two paeonias, nearest the house because it is raining hard... you will see that in Aberdeen it will be some time before we have any paeony flowers :-X :(
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Maggi :
I must confess : my pics are also from yesterday .....today here also raining ......
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Hans:
Thank you very much for your information.
I would like to add at least one of the species you have mentioned to a shady part in my garden although I know that some of them are not for the beginner. What about anomala, emodi, obovata or veitchii? Do they prefer any special type of soil?
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Hans beautiful clusii 8) hope my tiny seedling will one day look as good
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Hans:
Thank you very much for your information.
I would like to add at least one of the species you have mentioned to a shady part in my garden although I know that some of them are not for the beginner. What about anomala, emodi, obovata or veitchii? Do they prefer any special type of soil?
Arne :
I can not grow well in my climate P. anomala ....I have tried it several times - here it is to hot and dry
P. emodi grows here in a sunny spot ( pics will follow )
P. obovata grws very well for me in woodland conditions ( I grow it in a border east of my house )
P. veitschii is here in a halfshade spot .
All my peonies here grows in calcy soil ( Lös ) -but the importent is a perfect drainage !!!
Please think : they grows on nature always on slops !!!
The most peonies grows on limestone ( broteroi, coriacea, officinalis and ssp., peregrina, caucasica, banatica, russoi, mascula and ssp.,tenuifolia,parnassica,morrisii,cambessedesii.....
P. corsica I have found on granit with a ph of 5,0 !!!
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Hans beautiful clusii 8) hope my tiny seedling will one day look as good
Ian :
yes the P. clusii pics was for you !
In few days will flowers more other clones !!!
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Dear Hans,
My Paeonia mlokosewitschii is more yellow, is yours a sub species?
Henk
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Dear Hans,
Sorry it is me again.
Could your Paeonia lithophila be Paeonia tenuifolia ssp lithophila?
Henk
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Dear Hans,
My Paeonia mlokosewitschii is more yellow, is yours a sub species?
Henk
Hi Henk ,
It is always the same problem with P. mlokosewitschii ....- this species grows in Georgia ( Lagodechi) and in the same area grows also P. caucasica .....now we dont know if P. mlokosewitschii can vary or do they mix it with P. caucasica ....
I have still a other ( younger ) plant of P. mlokosewitschii from a friend -he told me his plants are also clear yellow !
Be happy with your yellow plant !
Hans
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Dear Hans,
Sorry it is me again.
Could your Paeonia lithophila be Paeonia tenuifolia ssp lithophila?
Henk
Why sorry -I glad to discuss with you
I dont know exactly what is the latest update for P. tenuifolia from the botanists ....
In my eyes is P. lithophila ( like biebersteiniana and cartalinica too ) only a synonym for P. tenuifolia.
I have named this pic only with the of the plant where I got it ....
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Hans,
Wonderful, wonderful pictures. I love the P.mlokosewitschii. So nice to see the real thing. I too thought they were usually more yellow. Not one I have grown myself so only going by other pictures. I rather like the shading in colour of yours, perhaps more than the pics of the yellows I have seen. The P. morrisii is very special. Love that foliage colouration to go with the flowers.
Looking forward to seeing further pics as more come into flower. Thanks for taking the time to prepare and post the pics for us.
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WOW :o - Hans, Olga and Dimitri - thanks a lot for the photos -
@Hans, are you growing Paeonia clusii in the garden? ::) - First time I see a rose coloured one. :o
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@Hans, are you growing Paeonia clusii in the garden? ::) - First time I see a rose coloured one. :o
Hi Hans A. ,
Yes -I grow P. clusii in the garden -more or less without protection .
I have the luck to live in the river Rhein valley with a very mild climate .
Yes ;D P. clusii with pink flowers are really rare .....
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Great - I tried to grow P.cambessedesii seedlings in Bonn but finally they died by late frost in spring. ::)
Do you knoe if there is a danger to get hybrids by growing P.clusii and P.cambessedesii close together?
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Great - I tried to grow P.cambessedesii seedlings in Bonn but finally they died by late frost in spring. ::)
Do you knoe if there is a danger to get hybrids by growing P.clusii and P.cambessedesii close together?
Hans ,
I had also no luck with P. cambessedesii - I have now only few seedlings which are in pots .....earlier rised plants have not survived outside ....
Sorry - but I dont know if P. cambessedesii and P. clusii hybridize ....never tried ! .....but P. clusii is here always very early .....this is the problem when comes in february late frosts ......
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Hans, I have a small pot of seeds from P. cambessedesii just beginning to show through the gravel topping would they be better left outside to the weather or would it be best to put them under glass please?
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David ,
this is difficould to say for me ....
Fist - I dont know which wether you have where you live ....if you live in a drier part of GB so it should be possibly .
I have seen pics from B.G. in your country there grows P. cambessedesii phantastic !!!
The other problem is I dont know from which motherplants your seeds comes .....I know it exist peonies on Mallorca from near 1000 m altitude .....and I have heard from populations near the sea -so there is maybe a genetic differnce ....
Good luck
Hans
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Hans, the only way I can describe the weather in the South West of England is 'mainly wet' ;D I bought the seed from an AGS Show so they could have come from anywhere. I think I shall try to play safe and bring them under glass.
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::) David ::)
But you have not so wet wether like in Scottland or ?
Please look that the seedlings have not full sun -I'm shure they like it not .
I have seen P. cambessedesii growing in the wild .....and it was really shady 8)
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I'm quite happy to accept that P. mlokoseweitchii can vary in colour in the wild, but I can also confirm that in the garden it will happily hybridize with anything else that's out at the same time.
Maggi, isn't the foliage of P. obovata just the most beautiful thing? I love that pewter/red overlay which sets of the flowers so well. Worth growing for that alone I think.
I wish I had taken some pics of two seedlings of P. suffruticosa, grown from seeds given me by the sadly late Essie Huxley, last April. I was very surprised that they germinated within just a very few weeks of sowing, and have grown on nicely. The leaves have died off now, leaving sturdy little "trunks," about 10cms high, but before they fell, the leaves went brilliant scarlet. When they grow up they'll be fantastic!
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Re: Paeonia Cambessedesii
David,
I grew several from seed in Hertfordshire in a gritty bed facing due west, sun most of the day, and when I had to move one in order to pass it on to a friend the main root was so thick I had to saw through it.
It had been been in that bed for about 10 years. Incidently behind it grew Arum Creticum which also multiplied greatly.
I bought a tiny seedling of P. Cambessedesii with me and this year it is about to flower for the first time. We have been here nearly 5 years, so it is a slow grower. Bearing in mind its root system it is a large long tom pot.
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There are always so many versions of the same name - I think Paeonia cambessedesii should be correct. ;-)
David - I think you it is better you leave it outside and just cover if frost is expected - Hans is right, I found this species in 20 meters as in more than 1000 m - always in northfacing slopes in Pinewoods, Quercus woods or in the open between rocks - I do not think there are many genetic differences in hardiness as even in high altitudes frost normally occcurs only a very short period of time .
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Thanks to Alan and Hans for their help, but could I ask for a little more information please. My Paeonia cambessedesii seedlings amount to just two tiny ones at the moment, with the possibility of four more to come if all the seeds germinate. How long should I leave them in the seedpot before transplanting them, and I assume they would be better in pots until they get big enough to plant out? I have more Paeonia species seeds in the fridge, what would be the best time of year to sow them?
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David ,
To your questions :
You should wait maybe a other year if more seeds germinate ...but my experience is that after 3 years of waiting there is not any hope ....
Peonies in pots are a big problem ( and I have a lot of experience ) you should plant it after the second year of germination in a special border ( only for seedlings ).
The problem with perennial peonies is they build a big rootstock ....and after this they make more stems ....
Treepeonies have more fine roots ( more like a tree ) so they can grow fine for some time in a big long pot .
Make sure of excellent drainage !!!
Peony seeds in the fridge do not do well - better is a cool room ( like a cellar ) - you can sow it after July ....but I would suggest you to water first the seeds ( change the water every day ) and put the pots in cool shady edge of your garden ( protected from too much rain )
Good success
Hans
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RE: Paeonia cambessedessii,
Hi David
Yes, I would leave them in pots for a season or two, outside in the shade. They should be okay outside in your balmy weather but, of course, be prepared to move them inside should it deteriorate markedly.
They will die down completely after 'flowering', leaving a tiny stem 'stub' above the surface of the pot. They will have made quite a substantial root system even so and I suggest transplanting them, like any shrub in
the autumn, when if during the growing season they look strong enough to move. A gritty alpine mix seems to suit here but you must modify to suit your climate, of course.
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Thanks for that Alan, just what I needed. Did you mean 'barmy' weather!?
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David I grow cambessedessii outside. It grows and flowers but is slow to increase. In our climate I think it likes shelter from harsh weather and too much water and also a little more sun that in its native habitat. I grow mine in a raised scree bed where it looks very nice. With more than one seedling plant some out !! what have you got to lose ??
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Thanks Ian.
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Here some new flowers from today :
P. daurica
P. macrophylla
P. 'Roselette" - this is a cross from Prof. Sauders (1950) - a triple hybrid ( P. lactiflora x
( P.officinalis x P.macrophylla )
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SRGC and AGS seed lists have Paeonia species listed. Alternatively, Vlastimil Pilous in the Czech Republic lists several species of seed each year. Email him aound Dec/Jan for a new list. (His address someone?) No doubt other eastern bloc collectors also list peonies.
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Rob,
I'd suggest checking Phedar (http://www.phedar.com/catalog/ (http://www.phedar.com/catalog/)) and the Archibalds (http://www.jjaseeds.com/ (http://www.jjaseeds.com/)) too.
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Wonderful pictures Hans ! :D
I feel another addiction coming ::)
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Rob,
We have said it before & will say again, please buy/borrow RHS Plant Finder, which lists 22 nurseries selling P. cambessedessii, for instance, or go the the RHS site & search the Plant Finder site. You don't have to a member of the RHS to search the plant finder database.
Regards
Alan
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Talking of growing Paeonia from seed, I have always thought them to be hypogeal germinators (sending down roots in the autumn, then making new leaves the next spring.
Here's Paeonia tenuifolia from Holubec seed, sown January this year (OK, not a very sensible time to sow, but it's just when I receive the seed and I just assumed I would have to wait before anything happens). But here it is, 4 months later, germinating. As you can see, it is having difficulty shaking the seed coat off the cotyledons, and has already sent up the first true leaf.
The rest of the seeds are still there, under the grit, not showing any signs of doing anything
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Diane ,
the most perennial peonies germinate hypogäic ,but some species have a epigäic germination :
P. tenuifolia ,P. californica,P. brownii ,
from treepeonies have a epigäic germination :
P. rockii + P. linyanshanii
P. tenuifolia is one of the easiest peonies growing from seeds - the germinate mostly in the first year.
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Diane, the most perrenial peonies germinate hypogäic ,but some species have a epigäic germination :
P. tenuifolia ,P. californica,P. brownii , ...
P. tenuifolia is one of the easiest peonies growing fron seeds - the germinate mostly in the first year.
Thanks, Hans, I thought it was strange, I've grown several paeonias from seed but all with epigeal germination. However, I've not succeeded with P californica and P brownii yet, so keep trying
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i have not looked into the SRGC seed list, how do i go about this?
Rob, the past year's seedlist is on the main SRGC website... you can read it to your heart's content but please be aware that the exchange is only open to SRGC Members and has closed for this year.
I think Ashley's advice for seed is very sound.
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Rob, the past year's seedlist is on the main SRGC website... you can read it to your heart's content but please be aware that the exchange is only open to SRGC Members and has closed for this year.
I think Ashley's advice for seed is very sound.
And if I may please also put in a plug for the AGS seed exchange, (every word of it typed by my fair hands, so you know who to blame for the mistakes ::) ). To look at what you missed on last year's, click here
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/servlet/htmlservlet/seeds/list.htm
and again, similar rules to the SRGC, the seedlist is only available to members and a good reason to join both of the societies.
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Hi all
- here some pics more from today :
P. arietina 1
P. arietina 2
P. arietina "Northern Glory" ( maybe a hybrid -this plant never produce seeds )
P.macrophylla
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P.banatica
P. clusii ( "normal white " )
P. 'Early Scout' a cross from Auten 1952 ( 'Richard Carvel' x P.tenuifolia )
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P. 'Gauguin' -one of the best hybrid crosses from Nassos Daphnis
P.mascula ssp. hellenica
P.mollis
P.officinalis MG
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Hans, how very beautiful your garden must be during this paeony season 8)
I am in love with these gorgeous plants! I do hope to have success with the seeds you sent us last year!
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Maggi - yes it is a great time for me now !
We have beautiful wether and not any rain -so the flowers looks perfect .
Here some more :
P. ostii 'Fen Dan Bai' ( White Poenix )
P. ostii EA1 - this is a seedling -growing from my own seed - sowing before 8 years -now the first flowers
P. ostii EA2 - some like above
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the high ligth in this days are my P. rockii plants - please here :
P. rockii 'Bing Shan Xue Lian" ( Snow from White Mountains )
P. rockii ES
P. rockii IR ( this beetles are often in the flowers of P.ostii or P.rockii )
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P.spec.1 ( ex Turkey )
P. steveniana
P. 'Tayio' ( the sun)
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Hans, wow, wow, and wow again ;D
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Now the last for today :
P. 'Gauguin'
P. rockii ST 1 - self growing seedlings - 8 years from sowing to first flower
P. rockii ST 2 - same like above
P. decomposita
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'Beautiful weather' arrived here today. I was in Kelso this morning and there was very little to see in His Grace's garden centre. Even in sunny Durham my earliest peonies are just in bud.
Lucky Hans.
;) Gerry
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..for instance, I don't even get a chocolate ration! :o
Maggi,
I suggest we start a petition on this Forum and send it with thousands of signatures to the SRGC President ! :P
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Maggi :
wait ....the Chocolate will follow soon ::)
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how many species do you have? do you grow many cultivars/hyrbids?
rob
Rob ,
be patient and wait ....later you could count ;D
Here some news from yesterday and today :
P. 'Messagere' ( a very old cross from Lemoine )
P. officinalis from Monte Baldo / Italy
P. offficinalis from France
P. 'Claire de Lune' ( White-Wild)
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some more :
P. 'Lavender' a cross from Prof. Saunders (1939) P.lactiflora x P. coriacea
P.yananensis - a new descriptet species ( 1992 ) from Hong +Li
P. obovata v. willmottiae
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some more :
P. 'Chinese Dragon' also from Prof. Saunders ( 1950 )
a unnamed seedling from me ( self growing - seed from my P. 'Zi Ban Bai')
P. delavayii
a P. ostii seedling ( self growing )
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Thanks for the pictures, Hans. All the peonies are great but P. delavayii is knocking out. It is #1 in your collection for me. So far.
Oleg
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I'll have to check out all these photos later but I have a question about small Paeonies
Which are suitable to pot culture like P. cambessedesii?
My cambessedesii has only ever had one flower. This is it's third year flowering. The other two stems never produce a flower. I bought it the size it is now. What is the best mix it should be in?
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I'll have to check out all these photos later but I have a question about small Paeonies
Which are suitable to pot culture like P. cambessedesii?
My cambessedesii has only ever had one flower. This is it's third year flowering. The other two stems never produce a flower. I bought it the size it is now. What is the best mix it should be in?
Mark :
I would you not suggest any peonies for pot culture -I have written it earlier : they grows not well in pots !!!
the reason is her rootsystem ( they have big roots ) -some species have roots like potatoes ,some like Dahlias .....they must store in this roots the water to survive the hot summer temperatures .
I must grow some peonies in pots ( P. rhodia ,P. brownii + P. californica ) but this plants are not happy !
To the mix : I have good results with a mix suggestion from Ian Young :
2 parts gardensoil
1 part leavemould
2 parts gritt
Be shure that you have a excellent drainage !
My suggestion for you is : plant out your P. cambessendesii in fall - maybe in a part of your rockgarden -protectet for to many rain and no sun in the morning !
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Hans what a show - love the Ostis ;) 8)
Well love em all really
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Hans,
Stunning pictures. What a wonderful collection.
Can I ask a question about a specific cultivar please....... how big does 'Lavender' grow? Is the foliage decidedly blue-ish in appearance? It is a herbaceous variety isn't it? I think those two species you mention as the cross are both herbaceous types. I have seen one under that name here in Australia in a friends collection and hers was a very small grower with a good blue tinge to the foliage and flowers similar in colour to your pictures. It could of course be dwarfed somewhat by our conditions here, but I am wondering whether it is naturally a smaller variety?
Looking forward to more pics of your collection. 8)
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Hi all
Very nice peony pictures. I would like to add a few pictures from my garden. Here in Italy species peonies flowered about three weeks ago but I did not think that peonies are a subject in the SRGC forum. Now I have in flower some herbaceous hybrid and the Itoh's. Lactifloras are starting in flower. This year for the first time I made controlled self pollination of species peonies to get true seeds.
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Hi Paul ,
To your question about 'Lavender' :
My plant is 60 cm high , yes the foliage is blue -ish ( from P. coriacea )
Yes it is a herbaceus varity .
But - I think this plant are really rare - it was not possibly for me to get it here in Europe - only with the help of a nice american friend ( from PBS ) was made it possibly.
This cultivar is easy to know : the carpels are naked ( this is rare ) and this comes also from P.coriacea .
Before some years I made a similar cross : P. coriacea X P. lactiflora 'White Wings'
I'm sorry but in this year has my P. coriacea no buds - but here are some older pics :
P. coriacea flower
P. coriacea fruits
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Hi all
Very nice peony pictures. I would like to add a few pictures from my garden. Here in Italy species peonies flowered about three weeks ago but I did not think that peonies are a subject in the SRGC forum. Now I have in flower some herbaceous hybrid and the Itoh's. Lactifloras are starting in flower. This year for the first time I made controlled self pollination of species peonies to get true seeds.
Ciao Roberto ,
Nice to meet a other collector of species peonies !
Please send more pics from your collection .
Good luck with pollination
Hans
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Now today has opened the biggest peony of all her flowers :
P. ludlowii ( it's can reach 2,5 m ) - I have sowing this plant before 10 years and in last year I had the first flowers
P. suffruticosa 'Mde. Andre Devillers' ( a french breeding )
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;) some ( perennial ) more from today :
P. officinalis "Alba Plena"
P. beresowskii
P. peregrina Calabria
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and now some ( tree) more :
P.potanini f. alba
P.lutea Sopron
P.delavayii ( my darkest clone )
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Here our paeonies are behind yours, Hans... here is our Paeonia ludlowii.... buds are tiny still but the plant is big enough, over six foot high, about 2m.
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Paeonia delavayi flowers will come quite soon!
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Here our paeonies are behind yours, Hans... here is our Paeonia ludlowii.... buds are tiny still but the plant is big enough, over six foot high, about 2m.
Maggi :
I'm really surprised for your P. ludlowii - I did not know that it's possibly to growing in your climate !
How old is your plant ?
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I'm really surprised for your P. ludlowii - I did not know that it's possibly to growing in your climate !
How old is your plant ?
Hans, can't remember exactly, but it must be 12 to 15 years old.
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Hans,
Thanks for the info re 'Lavender'..... it should be correct, given where it came from, but I'll check.
I adore the officionalis 'Alba Plena' .... officionalis 'Rubra Plena' is probably my favourite herbaceous Paeonia both from appearance and growing up with it in my mother's garden. I'd never seen the white one before, so very impressed by it. That white potanini is impressive to. I don't have P. potanini although I want to get it at some point. I love those little bronzy flowers on it. The white looks even better by the look of it. Great pics!! 8)
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Hans,
I adore the officionalis 'Alba Plena' .... officionalis 'Rubra Plena' is probably my favourite herbaceous Paeonia both from appearance and growing up with it in my mother's garden. I'd never seen the white one before, so very impressed by it. That white potanini is impressive to. I don't have P. potanini although I want to get it at some point. I love those little bronzy flowers on it. The white looks even better by the look of it. Great pics!! 8)
Paul :
I'm sorry but I know nothing about this breeding P. off. 'Alba Plena' - the correct name is : officinalis !
To P. off. 'Rubra Plena' : this is here the most common of all peonies -you see it in near every garden,
In Germany is called this plant : Bauern -Pfingstrose -this means : Farmer - Whitsun- Peony ( Pfingsten was the last weekend )
P. off. 'Rubra Plena' is a wrong name -because this is a cross : maybe with peregrina - I suppose it was made from monks
I grow also P. off. 'Rosea Plena' .......
The P. potanini f. alba is also a real rare plant ....I have sown before some years seed of it ( but I dont know from which other peony are the pollen ) ....now I wait for the first flowers .
The P. lutea 'Sopron' came orginal from the botanical garden of Sopron in Hungary .
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Hans, Peonia ludlowii is a very popular plant in Scotland. It was brought back from Tibet by Scotsman George Sherriff when he was collecting with Frank Ludlow. Occasionally the buds get caught by a late frost but apart from that it loves growing here.
Susan
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Susan .
Yes I know this names Sheriff & Ludlow ( from the firstdescription ).
We have here in Germany sometimes problems with this plants -because they are always damaged from frosts -I have to cut in every year frozen dead branches ....
Also I have lost a other plant of it ( from the same size ) before two years complete .
The problem is this plant is always very late ( mostly in November green ) and than came the frosts....
So I was surprised to see the big plant from Maggi !
Best wishes
Hans
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Dear all thanks for the lovely pics. It is wonderful to see.
I thought I would only have foliage on my Paeonia but there were a bud on one.
I was thrilled but did not know which of the three I bought it would be.
It was neither? It is nice but I wonder if it will turn out to be a double one or not. I planted it 6 weeks ago and kept it in a pot. Too small I must confess but I have it temporary on the balcony so space is very limited.
I will plant it out in the ground but wonder if this herbaceous Paeonia can take full sun? I mean FULL sun, maybe a bit of afternoon shadow if I plant them slightly different place. The flower is nice but the second day (today) it is even more open as if it is about to close? Tomorrow will tell!
Can this single be a double when settled?
Kind regards
Joakim
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Hi all ,
some pics more :
P. 'High Noon' ( Saunders )
P. officinalis 'Rubra Plena'
P. officinalis 'Rosea Plena'
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some more :
P. 'Chalize' ( Saunders )
P. ' Postilion' ( Saunders )
P. broteroi
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Here ( as promised ) a special peony for Maggi :
P. 'Chocolate Soldier' ( Auten )
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some more :
P. peregrina ' Otto Froebel'
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Hans, I love each flower better than the last....what a joy it would be to see the glory that is your garden when these gems are in bloom 8)
Chocolate Soldier is new to me and very handsome.
I do like the artist and the musician you sent me the other day, too ;) I hope you don't mind if I show them?
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Gauguin and Strauss
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Maggi :
I'm glad that you like the "Chocolate" ;D
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Hans - We grow Paeonia lutea ludlowii here in Nova Scotia, probably for 10 or more years. It kept getting winter damage as you have experienced for a long time. However the last 3 or 4 years it has been ok and is now 2.5 meters high. It has never flowered.
A friend in the even colder Annapolis Valley has some grown from seed from Jack Drake's nursery that has not shown winter damage and has flowered every year. Provenance is obviously very important but where the Drake plant came from is unknown to me - perhaps as Susan mentioned, from the the Ludlow & Sherriff collection.
johnw
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Hi! I returned from my garden, there were May Day vacances there, took some pics of my plants. May be it's late already but I risk to post you my Paeonias pics just faded :-\ I want notice this year spring is abnormally rainy in our dry climate as usually. But this weather contributes to especially magnificent flowering of P. daurica from Crimea.
Nevertheless, endless rains didn't worsen P. tenuifolia flowering. On pics it's my 8-years clump of this species en masse :)
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A nice display there Dimitri. If it is any consolation apart from a hot few days last week my Spring has been damp too.
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Super clumps, Dimitri, you 8)have a lovely garden.
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Maggy! Many thanks! But it's in a flower from early spring till end of May. I grow only bulbs and some spring-flowering plants like paeonias. All rest time - it's dry and very hot summer with no rains :-\
David! many thanks too! I want tell that as usually after winter in my garden summer comes quickly, and we have there very short spring :-[ But this year it's an exception, but many tulips species and hybrides suffer strongly from fungi.
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There is a little movement in these peony buds......
Paeonia ludlowii and P. delavayi
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Breathtaking,Maggy.
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Maggi looking exciting :) 8)
Does anyone know if Paeonia show the behavior of hepaticas and snowdropps that they can be single after being disturbed and then when they have settled they go back to being double?
Can herbaceous Paeonia take full sun or is it better with shade during part of the day?
I am happy since all of my treepeonias show life and 2 of the 3 herbaceous Paeonia is alive and one is actually flowering.
Have only seen one other Paeonia here in Portugal and it flowered beautifully in FEBRUARY before mine even got there new foliage. It was a tree Paeonia of nice double type and 1.5 m tall placed behind a wall and with some big rhododendrons for cover so maybe it is evergreen in Portugal? I will check that next winter.
Hope to get some answers
Kind regards
Joakim (that enjoy the pics enormously)
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some pics more from today :
P. 'Pink Chalize' (Saunders )
P. emodi
P. corsica
P. 'Coral Sunset' (Wissing-C.G.Klehm)
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It`s apleasure to see your fine paeonia pics. This is EARLY WINDFLOWER.
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and CLAIRE DE LUNE, also today.
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My Paeonia mlokosevitschii is opening its flowers now. This type comes from the Botanic Garden of Gothenburg. It was originally collected by the late Per Wendelbo. It is quite low and compact, just about 30-40 cm.
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Here is 'Molly the Witch' in Iran photographed April 27th. One of the positive results of the early season - previously hardly any foliage.
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The peony season is at the end here in Italy. Here a few photos of lutea hybrids and an herbaceous hybrid cactus-dahlia type peony called Circus-Circus.
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Some Paeonias from my garden,can the experts help me with
the identification?
Paeonia delavayi
016 Seedling,the label has gone lost;maybe a hybrid of P.lutea
007 and 008 Vigouros and very floriferous plant with fine scent but the flower stems
are too weak to hold the heavy flowers in an upright position.
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Hallo Rudi ,
Your plant ( 007 + 008 ) could be P. " Souvenir du Professeur Maxime Cornu" -it is one of the oldest crosses from Louis Henry ( 1907) P. lutea X La Ville de St. Denis.
Greetings
Hans
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Paeonia gansu group
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Hallo Hans,besten Dank for your quick answer.
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now after some days with bad wether :
P. lactiflora v. trichocarpa
I have rised from seed tree different clones from this species -look the variability :
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some cultivars more :
P. lactiflora 'White Wings'
P. 'Walter Mains'
P. 'Coral Charm'
P. lactiflora 'Pink Dawn'
P. lactiflora 'Pink Princess'
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and another 5 more .....
P. lactiflora ' Festiva Maxima'
P. lactiflora 'Gay Paree'
P. lactiflora 'Edulis Superba'
P. 'Buckeye Belle'
P. ' Garden Treasure' ( a intersectional cross )
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Lovely Hans just lovely or maybe heavenly?
Does it ever happen that a double flowers as a single the first year maybe due to late planting and not favorable transport?
Else it seems that I have more like "pink dawn" than "edulis superba" that seemed to be on the package. Then again I am happy that I got the one to flower. The weather in Sweden makes it much easier to grow peonies in the garden compared to Portugal. But You seems to do very well with Your plants in Your climate.
Kind regards
Joakim
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;) Thank you Joakim 8)
After my expierince comes the double flowers always as double flowers .....but maybe you have luck !
To the climate : I think you can grow well peonies like P. broteroi ( they are native in Spain and Portugal )
I have here luck with my climate -I can grow a lot of species from mediterranean area -but i have no luck with plants from cold areas ( like P. anomala )
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Hans Funny You should mention P. broteroi, I just bought book for 5€ with it on the front page called plants of Algarve with ornamental interest. It is the first attempt to an easy flora I have found and so cheap! I think that some peonies will need more attention in Portugal than they would need in Sweden but I think that they would do well if watered. I will see what grows well here rather than what is sold in garden centers as half dead roots directly imported from abroad.
I had not heard of doubles becoming singles when planted and I have bought some peonies that have been a bit mistreated without them going to be singles so I did not expect that to be common, but maybe possible and if so You would know. I am not disappointed with the single flower on the peony since I have doubles in Sweden I will just take some to Portugal if the single survives.
Kind regards
Joakim
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More great plants Hans !!!
You seem to have an enormous collection of Paeonia :o
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Rob ,
thank you for your compliments ...
There is no problem to grow so many peonies if you have the room ......
To this sowing method in Sphagum : I have never heard before ....but I know many of the americans make a similar methode with wet vermiculite in a plastic bag .....I can say nothing in this time -but please let me know how it works ......
To say the true : I would never give any pots with peonies seeds in the fridge ....for me is this method to artifical .....
In my eyes is it much better to let germinate the peonies outside in the garden on a shady place ....and mother nature will do her best ....and you can be shure : those seedlings which survive will stay later strong !
To your other problem with fungi : it is difficould to say without seeing the plants .....
It seems to be a kind of Bortritis .....I believe you wrote earlier that you have your garden in a wet area ....if this is so so you will always have problems .....
The key for a good cultivation of peonies is a excellent drainage !
Futher be careful with compost - also I like not fertilizer from animals .....
Dont be worry that your peonies need watering - only plants in pots ...
and at last :
I can really suggest you to buy books ,books ,books - speak with people and more ...and than buy new plants or seeds -it is so many written ...you have first to read all !!!
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Rob ,
I have really luck with my conditions for growing peonies - special for species from mediterranean area can I grow without a big problem .
My soil is calcy and as i have written i try to give give a perfect drainage .
You have to realize : the most of all peonies are mountain plants -they grows on slopes -often between rocks !!!
I will warn you : it is really difficould to get true seeds of species peonies -there are more or less no sellers ( it is a bad buisness ) - and you can forget mostly seeds from botanical gardens ( sometimes they are wrong named ,somtimes they are hybridisized .
Same story is it with seeds from societies like NARGS,AGS and other ......and believe me : it is a hard expierience to grow a peony from seed ....and if they flower so you see it is wrong !
I'm sorry to say - but really only few people can distinguish true species .....so blieve me :
You have to learn a lot - you should know all species !
To sowing :
If the seeds are fresh so it is not nesscary to soak the seeds ( I suppose your seeds are from last year ) - it is easy : lay the seeds in a jar -if they goes down so it is OK .
If they swim so you have to wait some days ( until all lay on the bottom )- plase change every day the water !
I would not suggest you to work with acidic !!! also not with other methods to break the skin of the seeds ...it is danger and you will lost the seeds....
Dont worry - P. delavay or lutea germinate mostly after the second year ....
To your fungi problem with the peonies : you should look to have enough room between the plants ....so it it's raining the plants can dry quick ....
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Hans
I have acid soil and Peonies seem to grow well. I have tried to find out whether they prefer lime or acid soil, but can find no reference to soil.
Can anyone comment please
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Arthur :
After mine expieriences grows the most peonies on limstone - I have mostly take with me little parts of soil when I have visit locations with peonies .
The normal PH value is 7.0 -the only exeption was peonies on Corsica -they grows on granitic rocks - so the PH value was 5,0 .
Also I have found some subspecies of P. mascula on schist - here was the ph value 6,0.
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Hans - I was visiting friends in northern Nova Scotia on Tuesday and saw this peony in a row of P. obovata. Is this leaf coloration common? I was rather surprised by it.
johnw
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John ,
My mature plant of P. obovata v. willmottiae has normal green leaves - but I have a pot full with seedlings ( seeds from the Archibalds ) they are also on beginning has such dark leaves -later they change in normal green .
To your pics : i have never seen so dark leaves in the time when they have buds .
P. wittmanniana make similar changes of the leave color.
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Regarding "lime lovers" and the need for lime.
I have also heard that peonies like lime. BUT I have heard that it is not as important for "lime lovers" to have lime as it is for "acid lovers" to have an acid environment. I think it is due to the uptake of some ions that can only be done in acid conditions for the "acid lovers" wile the "lime lovers" do not need limy/alkaline conditions for the uptake of ions.
The lime lovers may do better with lime but not need it to survive. That is why Art can have his plants in the acid soil without giving extra lime.
I am not saying that peonies should not have extra lime just that they survive and thrive without. Take a rhododendron in pure limy soil and it will not survive long at least not thrive.
If people are of different opinion please correct me!!
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim
Thanks for your info.
I would like to grow Verbascums, but I understand that they will only grow on limey soils so I have not bought any. This is the first time I have had an acid soil and I love the plants that flourish here - Camelias, Pieris and Rhododendron.
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Joakim and Arthur ;
we should always hold in our gardens those plants who can good grow !
p.e. I can not grow here Rhododendron ,Azalea,Camelia .....
I agree with you Joakim -plants must not have 100% the same soil -but if they have it ....it is much easier for us !
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Hans I totally agree it is better to grow what works well than things just barely surviving. It is sad to see a rhododendron "slowly die" in a clay soil in full sun. Better to put something that likes it but so many want what they "can not have" rather then what they can have and do great!
Art is there not cheap Verbascum to buy in garden centers just to test if they grow well for You? If they do, test others more interesting. Some Verbascums are borderline on weed if they are not deadheaded. This is valid for our summerhouse in Sweden where there is not a typical limey soil nor an acid one and they are poking trough a thin granite scattering. So who knows? You might be lucky?
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim
The recent developments are not cheap, but you have encouraged me to visit a local nursery where I can buy most shrubs, including magnolia, for approx €3.00. They are growing in 1.5 litre pots so are excellent value. I am extremely lucky as trials will not break the bank - filling the back of my car - an estate - cost €75.00
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Art sounds like You have got Yourself a great bargain of plants that will enjoy Your garden! :) Fantastic to encourage people, I am not used to do that :-[
Hope they will bring You joy.
Magnolias are great.If You like to try grandiflora from seeds I think I have some. Might be more trouble to grow than to buy. I do not know.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim
Thank you for your kind offer of seeds, but I might not live to see it flower. also my garden is not THAT large
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Hi Rob ,
Shure I know Kelways –but I have never bougth anything from this nursery – so I cay say nothing.
But –I have bougth peonies from other ( well known ) nurseries in England –they are mislabeled and I had a lot of trouble to get back my money and only with th help from good friends it was possibly .
Prices for a P. rockii for a 3-5 year old plant from 80 –100 pounds are crazy !!!!
P. rockii grows fast and it will flower from seeds mostly after 5-6 years .
Sorry – before some months I had some seedlings from P. linyanshanii in surplus ( 4 –5 years old ) – this is really rare in Europe ..... but they are all away now ......
What should be this name P. suffruticosa v. rockii ? –this is complete silly !!!
P. rockii is a own species and not a variety or a subspecies .
Some chinese autors do not accept P. suffruticosa – they think it is a hybrid !!!
It exist a lot of hybrids from P. rockii ( typic are the blotches )
Pure P. rockii has a white stigma and white antheres –hybrids have pink or purple antheres .
To P. ostii : It is now really rare in nature – P. Fen Dan Bai ( White Phoenix ) is a cultivar which is near relatet –this plant gets in big quantities comercial grown ( for medicin use ).
Have I understand you right : you cultivate your treepeonies in pots ?
I can not suggest you this method – it is only possibly for a short time –peonies in pots is not well !!!
And at last : please buy books – old and new – and study ......study .....
With best wishes
Hans
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Hi all ,
here are now the last pics from peony flowers ( from my garden ) for this year
...the season is over !!!
P. Mrs. F.D. Rooseveldt
P. Mde . Jules Elie
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...the season is over !!!
...and here in Norway it's just started :) Paeonia ostii 'Fen Dan Bai' and a nicely coloured P. delavayi seedling (ex McLewin) below:
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I visited Kelway's Nursery today and was very disappointed. Their Peony field was open to visitors, see http://www.kelways.co.uk/acatalog/Visit_us.html
it was difficult to see the plants as they were subsumed, and indeed topped, by weed growth and impossible to see the plant labels. What should have been a great marketing opportunity, with visitors seeking out their favourites from the field in the adjacent nursey, was totally missed. I decided to give the Peonies a miss and look at the Irises instead but refused to pay top of the range prices for potted plants covered in weed growth. We came away having spent nothing. It seems to me that Kelway's care little for their reputation apart from at Chelsea!
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David ,
Come to Germany and visit with me :
http://www.graefin-v-zeppelin.com/Spezialitaeten.htm
We go near every year in this nursery and we are always satisfied - it is around 40 minutes from me
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Hans
There was an article in the Gardening Section of the Daily Telegraph on Oriental Poppies - a speciality of the Zeppelin nursery. It pointed out that of the 8 Poppies to gain an Award of Garden Merti (AGM), 6 were bred by Countess van Zeppelin. You are very lucky to have such an excellent nursery so close to you.
The paeonies you have shown us are a very good advertisement for the nursery.
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Arthur :
Have you not seen my pics of the Papavers ?
Look here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1839.0
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David ,
Come to Germany and visit with me :
http://www.graefin-v-zeppelin.com/Spezialitaeten.htm
We go near every year in this nursery and we are always satisfied - it is around 40 minutes from me
One of these days I may surprise you Hans ;D Thanks for the nursery link, it looks a good one.
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Arthur :
Have you not seen my pics of the Papavers ?
Hans
Of course - they are your wife's plants
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Art, I grow several different verbascums and my soil tends towards the acid. Rhodos do well here too. Likewise I have nursery vebascums in my pine-bark-based mixture so while they may like lime, they certainly don't NEED it.
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Hans - I was going to send you these pictures directly rather than post them here but do not see your email address. The pictures are very poor as light was very low tonight and I couldn't get a focus.
I got this peony many years from the late Don Armstrong in Vancouver, BC. It's identity has always been a puzzle and while not spectacular the early new shoots are quite fantastic. No one seems to know what it is. Perhaps you will know it.
Again apologies for the very blurry photos.
johnw
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Hi John ,
please send me a PM -so we can change our private email adress .
To your pics : this is a plant from the P. wittmanniana,macrophylla,steveniana complex .....maybe you can compere it with my pics ....
Very nice plants - my compliments !
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And Molly in bloom here today. It took awhile the get the real thing and a yellow. This came from Ron Pal in Victoria, BC.
Below is a seed grown white one (?) from Archibald seed, just gone over and somewhat of a disappointment; a sibling bloomed red.
johnw
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John
How did your white one compare with the one I showed in Iran 2008
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Arthur :
Your plants ( with white flowers ) is P. tomentosa - this plants are recorded for the Talysch Mts.
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Hans
Thanks for the info - I like it better than 'Molly the Witch'
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John
How did your white one compare with the one I showed in Iran 2008
Arthur - Here is a shot of the white Molly, the only one we have of the flower this year. The data for ours is Arch96-747.110 4/9/97 P. mloko. - and apparently we got subbed this garden origin seed for the collected wild seed ordered #100. A sibling I gave to good friend on a major birthday and she was very excited about it, it turned out a velvety red - very nice but not what either of us had in mind. She calls it Millie.
Should we go with Molly for the white one?
johnw
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As Ian the BD says "Growing from seed can always throw up interesting plants"
I like both of them, but the red is a particulrly striking colour.
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Hans - I was able to photograph the Paeonia from Don Armstrong yesterday. Here it is again.
johnw - +25c here and too much for me.
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Hi John ,
Thank you for the pics again .
they are more helpfull -I can see the carpels are tomentose ....so it's could be P. tomentosa .
P. wittmanniana has hairless carpells -also like P. steveniana ( = v. nudicarpa )
The problem is always ....if you have a plant without a location .....
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Given all the beautiful pictures on this thread I did wonder whether to post this but then decided I would. It's the only flowering sized Peony I have in my garden, bought from a garden centre about five years ago and the label long lost.
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She calls it Millie.
Should we go with Molly for the white one?
johnw
But the yellow is Molly. How about Mandy? :) Does anyone from the dark ages remember the stories about Millie Mollie Mandy? :)
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Lesley
We are both of that certain age that would remember Millicent Margaret Amanda
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She calls it Millie.
Should we go with Molly for the white one?
johnw
But the yellow is Molly. How about Mandy? :) Does anyone from the dark ages remember the stories about Millie Mollie Mandy? :)
We mulled over this last night and decided on Mully after a good friend in theater who lives in Edinburgh!
johnw
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Fair enough, so long as it doesn't put people in mind of a certain style of haircut!
I think the white is lovelier than any of the others.
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Could someone please identify this Paeony - I do not remember planting it, and I have no label.
Thanks
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It might be 'Laura Dessert', if so the outer petals should turn white as the flower ages.
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Some lactiflora from the last weeks.
1. Inspecteur Lavergne
2. Sorbet
3 Couronne d'Or
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May be wrong but I would think it's just a natural part of the aging process. I like it in pink or red varieties.
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One of my favourites, 'Cytherea' (as in 'The Embarkation to Cythera' I presume) in bloom at a friend's here today.
Incredible colour and even better on a cloudy day. If we have had a hardy magnolia this colour I'd stop sowing seeds.
johnw
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Hans - Foliage of P. suffruticosa v. spontanea. Is this a valid name?
johnw
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Hi John ,
to your question for P. suff.v. spontanea .....this seems to be a minefield .......
I will try it and I will write from the book of I. Rieck :
P. s. v. spontanea was collectet from Purdom 1910 anddescriptet from Rehder -Hong Tao was the opinion that this is a hybrid and he found a similar plant which he descriptet as P.jishanensis ( 1992 ) -later after some critic from his collegues has he tried to rename this plant as P. s.v. spontanea - but some people disagree. Later after some research of the pollen morphologie ( Hond de Yuan + Pan Kai-yu 1999 ) was P. jishanensis guilty .
Stephen How ( 2001 ) has now in year 2001 tried to rename all to P. spontanea ( he thinks that the old material from Purdom has priority ).....thats the end of the story ( so far I know )
The first treepeony which ever was descriptet ( Andrews 1804 )was P. suffruticosa ...but this was a plant with double flowers ( flore plena ) ....so Andrews has descriptet a hybrid !
Now to your pic of your plant :
I have it compared with my plant of P. jishanensis .....but it looks different !
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Hi John ,
to your question for P. suff.v. spontanea .....this seems to be a minefield .......
I will try it and I will write from the book of I. Rieck :
P. s. v. spontanea was collectet from Purdom 1910 anddescriptet from Rehder -Hong Tao was the opinion that this is a hybrid and he found a similar plant which he descriptet as P.jishanensis ( 1992 ) -later after some critic from his collegues has he tried to rename this plant as P. s.v. spontanea - but some people disagree. Later after some research of the pollen morphologie ( Hond de Yuan + Pan Kai-yu 1999 ) was P. jishanensis guilty .
Stephen How ( 2001 ) has now in year 2001 tried to rename all to P. spontanea ( he thinks that the old material from Purdom has priority ).....thats the end of the story ( so far I know )
The first treepeony which ever was descriptet ( Andrews 1804 )was P. suffruticosa ...but this was a plant with double flowers ( flore plena ) ....so Andrews has descriptet a hybrid !
Now to your pic of your plant :
I have it compared with my plant of P. jishanensis .....but it looks different !
Hans - I understand from Stefan Mattson that this plant is in gardens in northern Scandinavia and has a long history. Maybe it came via Russia ex Purdom (???). He says from the seed you will get single pink and single lavenders flowers about 50:50. He did not mention any doubles. Hopefully we will see some flowers next year.
Thanks for your work.
johnw
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And Leto in the same garden. Nice interior. This turned out to be something else - not Leto.
johnw
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If you got the seeds from Sweden I'm pretty sure they are P. rockii-hybrids, it's widespread there, with flowers ranging from pure white to deep pink (http://www.alltomtradgard.se/tradgardslistor/pioner/paeonia-rockii---hybrid/).
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Here is a picture of the original descibed P. suffruticosa from
Botanical Magazine, 1807:
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Lucky Kerstin in Uppsala! :D :P
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Lucky Kerstin in Uppsala! :D :P
Yes, from the http://www.alltomtradgard.se/tradgardslistor/pioner/paeonia-rockii---hybrid/ link !
I would be ecstatic to have a clump of rockii like hers! not that there was much wrong with the clump belonging to Maria Sederkvist ! 8)
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I amended the previous posting showing a shot of Leto. This apparently is 'Leto' in a friend's garden.
johnw
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John, did you happen to notice whether or not 'Leto' is sweetly scented? I have been inclined think that those peonies with "bristle brush" centres tend not to smell so good. I have made this observation as my nose and I make our way around the peonies of the district, when walking Lily the dog ::) Wondered if anyone else had noticed this phenomenon?
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'Leto' is lip-lickingly lovely or luscious - or both. :P
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I posted a pic of this to the SH thread, but it's worth repeating here!
Paeonia cambessedesii, grown from seed in 1998, only it's third or fourth year of flowering,
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cheers
fermi
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Hi Fermi ,
My compliments !
thats a really nice plant -it seems you have better conditions than I for this plants -I had never luck with them .
Hans
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Fermi,
It really is beautiful isn't it? Was lovely to see it almost out when we were there. Thanks.
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Fermi well done ;D
The seeds were they fresh or dried from a seed-exchange?
If dried how did You do when sowing?
if fresh please let us now that one as well.
My record with sowing Paeonia is not the best but the ones that has succeeded to seed itself or be sown has more or less just ended up in the ground or in a pot when fresh and then had to take care of it self. That meant I planted in the Autumn and let them get the winter when it came. Some survive this treatment others do not.
Once again well done and great to see peonies.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Thank you, Hans, Paul and Joakim,
I'm pleased with how well this has done but I do hope it sets seed this year.
I collected the seed fresh in the UK in Autumn 1997, sowed it in Australia in our autumn the following year (I think) in a pot with grit on top, left open to the elements, but I was still in Melbourne then, so they would not have experienced a frost. I got 5 out of 5 to germinate but I only have the one plant left as I gave away 2 and lost the others.
I only got flowers for the first time in 2006 but the previous year the bud/s got frosted which is why it took so long I think. I suppose in a year with heavy frosts I'm likely to lose the flowers :(
Maybe it's doing well because of Global Warming? ;D
cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
If you're successful with seed, or ever have a small division to spare, I'd be most interested. I used to grow it previously but lost it one hot summer because it was too out in the open. ::) Live and learn. I have a few species coming along from seed as well, but still many years off flowering. I do grow a few other herbaceous and tree types in the garden as well. Got to love such flowers from so little effort on our part!! ;D
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Fermi thanks for the information :) . Just a follow up question
Did You store the seed humid and cold or just cold or how did You store them?
Kind regards
Joakim
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Fermi thanks for the information :) . Just a follow up question
Did You store the seed humid and cold or just cold or how did You store them?
Kind regards
Joakim
Hi Joakim,
my standard way of storing is in an envelope in a box in a cool part of the house.
I did at one stage try storing the envelopes in a glass jar in the fridge but had a problem with condensation that was not solved by using silica gel.
cheers
fermi