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Title: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Cephalotus on April 02, 2008, 11:17:05 PM
Hello everyone,
for the beginning I would like to thank you all. Thanks to you I have found many new species and not only for me but for my aunt too. I already got Pulsatilla pratensis, Pulsatilla vernalis, Pulsatilla slavica, Iris aphylla and Hellebotus purpurascens.

There are only two species I concentrate on now. Gladiolus palustris and Pulsatilla patens.

I have found one place, one person that has G. palustris and I do not worry about this species for now. The problem is with Pulsatilla patens. This one is really problematic. No one grows it, no one sells it. I almost lost all hope. You are my only chance for this plant. I am ready to give 15 Euro for a young plant. Does anyone know where I could get this plant, know anybody who grows it? I would be really thankful for any help, contact, e-mail or plant. ;) Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 02, 2008, 11:41:07 PM
I have about 6 plants, all smallish so I don't want to part with any at present but if and when they produce seed you are welcome to some. Assuming, that is, we are talking about the same plant. Mine have rather fern or carrot-like foliage, lvery small and neat and lighter green than P. vulgaris, and the flowers are a soft lemon yellow, backed with grey/blue.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Susan Band on April 03, 2008, 07:07:01 AM
You can get seed of the American form from Northwest native seed (on links page) or Alplains. www.alplains.com (http://www.alplains.com)This is the ice blue form from Colorado, what I think of as the Ameican equivilent of Pulsatilla vernalis. I however never managed to get it very far, although the seed germinates they usually are dead even before I prick them out, I had better look and see what has happened to this years batch :-\ 
I think what you have Lesley is Pulsitilla flavescens, occasionally listed as P. patens flavescens.
Amazing 20 years and I am still ordering it ;D
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Katherine J on April 03, 2008, 08:00:31 AM
Hello,
Pulsatilla patens is native here, but is very rare, and according to this, it is protected. :(
Well, I have seen it only on photo. It differs from other Pulsatillas (known by me) in it's leaves, which are not pinnately but palmately lobed. They say it occurs on very sandy soils.

I looked at the hungarian nurseries now, but they don't have it. :( Sorry.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: art600 on April 03, 2008, 09:09:02 AM
Hello,
Pulsatilla patens is native here, but is very rare, and according to this, it is protected. :(
Well, I have seen it only on photo. It differs from other Pulsatillas (known by me) in it's leaves, which are not pinnately but palmately lobed. They say it occurs on very sandy soils.

Katherine
Did you mean Pulsatilla pratensis?  When I googled P. patens it came up with a North American plant.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 03, 2008, 09:17:16 AM
It is native here to. :) I grew it from seed from nature. Now I have a lot of my own seed. What a pity we are so far. :(

P. patens blooms very early, with crocuses. Leaves appear after blooming.

Across Urals P. patens become variable. Our botanists consider sometimes P. flavescens and P. multifida are subspecies of P. patens.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 03, 2008, 09:21:40 AM
art600

P. patens grows in temperate zone of northern hemisphere. In Europe, Asia and America to.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: art600 on April 03, 2008, 10:03:46 AM
You should try this link to see an outstanding picture of this Pulsatilla

http://www.photographersdirect.com/buyers/stockphoto.asp?imageid=1084297
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: art600 on April 03, 2008, 10:04:34 AM
Olga

Thanks for the info.  Googling is not always easy
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 03, 2008, 10:18:06 AM
Arthur

Welcome!

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Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 03, 2008, 10:28:55 AM
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Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Susan Band on April 03, 2008, 10:31:49 AM
Olga,
What a lot of lovely pulsatillas you have. Are they all growing in your garden? If so you do really well with them.
Susan
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 03, 2008, 10:36:01 AM
Susan
Thanks. :)

Yes all of them are growing in my garden. I like pulsatillas very much! I have about 30 species and cultivars and I am going to collect all kinds I can.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Maggi Young on April 03, 2008, 11:08:30 AM
Krzysztof: HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!


Olga, lovely pulsatillas and lovely photos!
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Katherine J on April 03, 2008, 12:45:25 PM
Beautiful pictures, Olga. Sorry if you had told this before, what camera do you have?
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 03, 2008, 03:18:35 PM
Kathrine

That shuts are made by Sony S85. Now I've got Canon 40D.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Cephalotus on April 03, 2008, 06:49:32 PM
Maggie, thank you very much for your wishes.

Olga, you have really fantastic photos, but they are killing me... When I was searching for this species I watched so many photos that I got sick for this species. Looking on every another photo and in addition so beautiful make me sick even more. :( How can I get this species. I will do almost everything.

Susan, I really admire you that you could search for a plant for 20 years. I have today my 20th birthday. I simply cannot imagine that period of time. I would rather get crazy. :]

Do I hear some seeds offers?... :)

Lesley one question to you. Are you sure for 100% that you have P. patens? I know that I could not ask so fine grower, but I must. :)
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Susan Band on April 03, 2008, 07:08:10 PM
Krzysztof,
What I meant is that I have ordered it nearly every year and managed to kill it each time, never getting it to flowering size.
Maybe the European forms are easier to grow but harder to obtain seed. I had a look at this years seed and yes it is germinating but already some are looking sick. I have sown it in pure perlite to try and stop  rotting off before at least the true leaves have formed, doesn't look if it is working  :(
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 03, 2008, 07:08:36 PM
Krzysztof

Lesley talks about yellow-flowered plant. So it is Pulsatilla flavescens = P. patens ssp. flavescens. P. patens is violet.

Happy birthday! :)
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Olga Bondareva on April 03, 2008, 07:14:28 PM
I wonder! I sow P. patens and P. flavescens and many other pulsatillas every year for selling. They germinate in ordinary soil and grow well. Did you try fungicides?
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 03, 2008, 08:27:46 PM
I have what I grew from both AGS and SRGC seed (could be same source however) as P. patens. All have been lemon coloured with a greyish, purplish back, not unlike P. albana but the leaves are different from that. I'll take a pic soon of the foliage (it's still not fully light here at the moment.) I also grew one batch as P. p. flavescens and the only one which survived was pure yellow, a good deep shade but that too eventually died.
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 03, 2008, 08:38:02 PM
The more I see of Olga's picture - which are lovely - the more I'm sure that mine is NOT P. patens after all. Back to the drawing board! :'(
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Maggi Young on April 03, 2008, 08:40:50 PM
I have been commissioned by a neighbour to look out for certain plants for her at Edinburgh plant stalls this Saturday.....she is after a good red P. vulgaris...... I don't expect there will be P. patens... but then again, never say never!! ::)
Title: Re: Pulsatilla patens
Post by: Hans A. on April 03, 2008, 10:12:22 PM
Olga, thanks for this wonderful pics!
Some years ago I could obtain a yellow P. patens but it never bloomed in my garden in Germany and I lost it after 3 or 4 years - pratensis, vulgaris or halleri were much happier in growing there ::).
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