Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Ferns => Topic started by: shelagh on July 08, 2017, 02:40:20 PM
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I am going to make a daring suggestion. There are sections on the Forum for all sorts of interest groups but there isn't one for Ferns. Surely Brian and I are not alone in our love of Ferns. So I am hoping this catches on.
Here are a selection from our garden and also the ones in pots we use on the show bench.
Asplenium trichomanes a British native.
Blachnum penna marina one without and one with sporing fronds.
Blechnum spicant another British native and Cryptogramma crispa the Parsley fern with both sporing and non sporing fronds.
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The Japanese painted fern, Athyrium niponicum var. pictum really stands out amongst the green.
Pellea rotundifolia often comes in baskets of mixed plants and the judges didn't seem to think it was hardy but it has survived many winters at the bottom of the garden.
Polystichum lemmoni is one of several of our ferns I have grown from spores it is a diminiative specimen from the U.S.A.
Polystichum setiferum divislobum plumosum is another beauty.
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Lastly, for today at least a particular favourite of Brian's. Another one grown from spores Pteris gallinopes, it comes from Limestone caves in China. the second picture shows how it is beginning to split at the ends which will make it even more attractive.
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Fair enough , Shelagh, I'll ask Fred to oblige with a Fern Section - mind you, most fern threads that have appeared in the forum have been ID queries so the level of knowledge may not be great! We'll hope for the best! When Fred has made the section I'll move a few threads into it. to get it started.
Cheers,
M
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Fearlessly Fast Fred has been at work - we're in business with a fern section!
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Thank you Maggi and Fred. We shall see just how many Pteridologists we have ;)
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That Polystichum lemmonii is superb, a difficult and super rare plant that as usual was completely ignored by show judges last year. Well done Shelagh!
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I'll try and remember to take some pics of our ferns tomorrow. Make a break from doing stuff with bulbs and spreadsheets!
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A few of my ferns. ;D
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Looks like the perfect spot Fred.
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from Tim Ingram
There is a really interesting and updated article by Jennifer Deegan in the Pteridologist (2017, Vol. 6, Part 4). The intricate, and electronic, detail of photographing fern gametophytes using digital 'focus stacking'......
http://theitinerantbotanist.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/ (http://theitinerantbotanist.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/)
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That was an interesting article, also the one about the fern weevil that has been plaguing people's polypodium collections.
Here are some of our ferns:
Apleniums on the shady cliff of my mini-crevice bed
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A finely divided lady fern, Athyrium filix-femina Divaricatum
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A patch of beech fern asking for a drink! Phegopteris connectilis
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A favourite lacy Polystichum setiferum
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Contrasting foliage of Athyrium nipponicum 'Silver Falls' and Asplenium scolopendrium crispum Nobile ) another great article on the wavy 'scollies' in the same issue.
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A few more:
Two very old cultivars of the lady fern. Athyrium filix-femina Frizelliae and Victoriae
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The oak fern. Gymnocarpium dryopteris
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A beautiful and easy fern for the garden. Adiantum venustum (Foreground)
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The Rusty Back fern, on of the few ferns to survive being built into the wall of my new raised daffy bed (named HS2 because of the railway ballast anti-cat top dressing)
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Anne your first pic shows what I have always known as the tatting fern. Trouble is you either know the botanical name or the common name and can't always put the two together.
Lovely pics though.
Will the Pterodactyls have a stand at Tatton because I would like to get some more spores? Sorry we always call them the Pterodactyls :-[
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Some snaps of the fernery we -NBIB - have created in North Berwick's public park as an extension to the rockery . Over 20 types most forms of British natives. Male fern D filix mas and two of its forms: Crispa Congesta and Linearis Polydactyla
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Dryopteriis affinis the scaley or golden male fern is a British native-the form Cristata The King is popular. It can make a striking pot plant The form Crispa Congesta -here in a pot- is much less vigorous and rather brittle. D wallichiana is a nice fern but Asiatic so not native here.
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The lady fern and its forms Frizelliae - the Irish tatting (embroidery ) and Victoriae - Victoria's- ferns have been mentioned already by other contributors. Frizelliae is particularly prone to reverting to type.
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Wonderful Stan and very helpful for identification purposes.
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if only I was ......
The non native shuttlecock (Matteucia struthiopteris) fern is said to like moist conditions but we have it growing very vigorously in a low rainfall area -it probably has its roots well down by now. it has killed off all the daffodils that were in its bed when we planted it out. It can look more interesting earlier in the season when the new fronds really do look like shuttlecocks. I always think of it as the ostrich plume from its Latin specific name as the fronds are a bit like the feathers that used to be popular head gear for upper class females.
The holly fern Cyrtomium falcatum is not a native either but provides a nice contrast
The native royal fern Osmunda regalis certainly likes it wet which may be why these are a bit small. It used to be a main source of orchid compost.
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a very small Blechnum B penna-marina and a much bigger one B chilense the latter a gift from SRGC friends in Ayr. Thre are several non native but hardy Adiantums starting with A pedatum imbricatum then A venustum, then the smaller A aleuticum subpumilum
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I am also a fan of ferns, thank you for the photos. :)
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Just changing the title of this thread, which began as "A Daring Suggestion" to start a fern section ;D
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Thanks Maggi. :D Judging by the number of views it seems to have taken off.
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Thank YOU for the suggestion , Shelagh - interactivity is the game, after all. (And I may even stand a chance of learning the names of my ferns, which I have traditionally had a lot of bother with !)
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Thanks Maggi. :D Judging by the number of views it seems to have taken off.
I have taken pictures of my ferns during the summer, I will post them later in the autumn or winter when there is more time.
One good thing about ferns is also that deer or rabbits don't eat them!
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One good thing about ferns is also that deer or rabbits don't eat them!
Good point, Leena - important to know that.
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A few of mine I haven't seen mentioned yet.
Arachniodes simplicior 'Variegata'. It's hardy but not entirely happy in the Fernery.
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Coniogramme japonica flavo-maculata. The bamboo fern. The newly emerged croziers are greeted by the slugs and snails as delicacies. It takes me an extra couple of months to get good growth. Hopefully the beer traps I have out and electric fencing will help in future.
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Cyrtomium fortunei. Hardy and very happy in the fernery. I have the plants in three places and they grow well in each.
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Doodia media. I bought this as a hardy fern. My answer to that is it's hardy until there's a frost. A nicely coloured fern but I'd say in our climate it needs pot culture.
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Dryopteris sieboldi. This one provides a complete contrast to most other ferns.
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This threatened fern species, Pilularia globulifera is reputedly fussy about its lighting and companion plants but for me it romps through live sphagnum and appears to be just as happy romping through the water trays. The latter is the preferred method for me as down there it doesn't contaminate pots and trays of more delicate plants.
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Hmmm don't know that one Fred.
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You do now Shelagh ;D
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I saw this Fern in several gardens during the Czech Conference garden visits. Can anyone please identify it?
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Maybe Asplenium ceterach, Rustyback fern. Synonym, Ceterach officinarum?
cheers
fermi
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Yes, I would confirm that.
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Thank you both, going to a fern nursery this weekend, want to try to get one!
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You will probably find one growing out of old mortar, there are dozens on an old railway bridge not far from us.
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Hmmmm but would it grow if I could find one that way Shelagh? They do say they grow best in a wall, but they were looking good in gardens over there. Wonder if it's the same one, my recollection is of silvery rather than bronze/brown reverse.
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Ian's Bulb Log looks at a garden without flowers this week....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Aug021501665440BULB_LOG_3117.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Aug021501665440BULB_LOG_3117.pdf)
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Phegopteris connectilis has already been discussed as being Cystopteris fragilis ;)
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In the redwoods Oregon
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Ferns are interesting! I have quite a few in my garden as slugs seem to avoid them :-\
Here are some in their natural habitats:
Cryptogramma crispa in the shade of Athyrium distentifolium. Usually the Cryptogramma prefers more sun.
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Athyrium distentifolium
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Polystichum lonchitis
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A bad picture but it shows the typical habitat for Gymnocarpium dryopteris
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Not exactly a fern. Diphasiastrum complanatum ssp complanatum
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Ian's Bulb Log looks at a garden without flowers this week....
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Maggi, you and Ian certainly have a lot of desirable weeds! And I mean both ferns and other plants :)
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Maggi, you and Ian certainly have a lot of desirable weeds! And I mean both ferns and other plants :)
As time goes on, Trond, I think the whole garden will be full of "volunteer" plants - it suits us. There comes a time when we just wants plants which can PROVE they want to live with us!
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I also have some native ferns in the garden. Rusty back, maidenhair spleenwort, holly fern, mountain fern, oak fern, beech fern, hard shield fern, soft shield fern, marsh fern, royal fern, parsley fern, common polypody, hard fern, crested buckler, scaly male fern, green spleenwort and hay scented buckler. The habitats in my garden are not the usual ones for the species but they don,t seem to mind.
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What's wrong with this picture?
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The above pic is upside down!
Pellaea glabella
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This particular wild colony lives under a limestone overhang in a prairie here in Minnesota.
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Fascinating Rick, and lovely to see exactly where it lives. I wonder where the next nearest colony is?
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I got three new ferns this year. The one on the tophad the label athryum felix femina Dres Dagger, the middle one had a label of triple crown and the one on the bottom has no name at all. If anyone has views on what these are I would be grateful
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Fascinating Rick, and lovely to see exactly where it lives. I wonder where the next nearest colony is?
Kenton Seth (from Colorado,USA) was here on a very cold March 17th day, and I took him out to see some the wild areas here. This is him examining the same rock. Arrows point out a few of the plants, since they are dried up and brown for the winter. This is the only place that I have seen (so far) where the fern grows with no visible rock fissures.
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Technically, the nearest ferns are on the next hill over, on a vertical rock face. The first rock is west facing. This one is east facing.
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But I think the next place is about 30 miles away, again on a clean rock face of a gorge cut by what was once a raging river (now a creek). This is the same kind of limestone, sort of like tufa: very hard, yet more porous than a limestone that is quarried.
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I like this fern particularly... then he gets over the deepest frost and the biggest heat. Cheilanthes fendleri from Arizona. He stands with me in the full sun and is absolutely resistant to heat and dryness. And the new desires show nice strong hairs.
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It looks terrific. I've never had much luck with Cheilanthes, grown several from spores but they don't thrive. You obviously have the touch.
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Asplenium trichomanes and Asplenium scolopendrium: both growing on my house.
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Giles when I park up to collect the grandchildren from school both those ferns are growing happily in the school walls along with Ruta-maria.
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Shelagh,
I've only seen Asplenium ruta-muraria on brickwork, locally, but I keep on hoping...
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I got three new ferns this year. The one on the tophad the label athryum felix femina Dres Dagger, the middle one had a label of triple crown and the one on the bottom has no name at all. If anyone has views on what these are I would be grateful
Hi Chris, they look like variants of Athyrium filix-femina 'Victoriae', spores raised from this variety give forms such as these.
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Thanks Anne!
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Cryptogramma cascadensis, Cascade Parsley Fern.
Does anyone cultivate this species?
This species has a considerable range in the western U.S.A. however it seems somewhat unknown. I am curious as to its cultivation status.
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Cryptogramma cascadensis, Cascade Parsley Fern.
Does anyone cultivate this species?
This species has a considerable range in the western U.S.A. however it seems somewhat unknown. I am curious as to its cultivation status.
Possibly not very easy to grow, Cryptogamma crispa in the UK is reputedly very hard to cultivate thaough it grows like a weed on the slate spoil heaps in north Wales, as well as its natural sree habitat.