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Specific Families and Genera => Rhododendron and other Ericaceae => Topic started by: Leucogenes on April 16, 2017, 08:32:30 PM

Title: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Leucogenes on April 16, 2017, 08:32:30 PM
Various from this weekend ...

Cassiope selaginoides, Himalayas
Cassiope mertensiana, California, Trinity County
Andromeda polifolia, Z- Switzerland
Phyllodoce x intermedia, Oregon
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Leucogenes on April 16, 2017, 08:40:53 PM
... and this I especially like ... only 3 centimeters high ... Gaultheria trichophylla, Himalayas, 4000 m
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Hoy on April 16, 2017, 09:35:14 PM
You certainly have a nice selection of alpine plants!
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Gabriela on April 18, 2017, 12:39:46 AM
All beautiful and interesting!
Andromeda I've only seen growing in bogs here. I suppose you amended the beds with peat?
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on April 19, 2017, 06:45:28 PM
Cassiope 'Edinburgh'
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Leucogenes on April 21, 2017, 08:11:47 PM
@gabriela ... yes I have with all Ericaceae the same substrate. Acid soil with 1/4 peat. Less drainage. Watering only on weekends ... also in summer. Works well.

@david ... the Cassiope 'Edinburgh' looks good. I have them too. It becomes comparatively great.

... and here still a very small representative of the species ... Cassiope lycopodioides from the Japanese Alps. Remains flat ... max. 5 cm and grows very slowly.
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on April 21, 2017, 08:25:42 PM
I like that little Cassiope ;D
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Leucogenes on May 01, 2017, 08:43:33 PM
Arctostaphylos uva-ursi ssp. uva-ursi
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Gabriela on May 02, 2017, 06:32:40 PM
@gabriela ... yes I have with all Ericaceae the same substrate. Acid soil with 1/4 peat. Less drainage. Watering only on weekends ... also in summer. Works well.

Thanks; your Ericaceae surely likes it, all are doing very well.

Arctostaphylos uva-ursi doesn't need to have ssp. uva-ursi added. The great variation that exist between populations is thought to be based on the habitat and other ssp. or var. are not recognized, as far as I know. More work is probably needed.
The plants in the population I know around here have glassy-pink flowers and more rounded leaves than yours.
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Leucogenes on May 02, 2017, 07:43:19 PM
I got this plant with this name from the Arctic alpine garden in Chemnitz. I have one more kind... Arctostaphylos uva-ursi ssp. crassifolia from the Mt. Caro in Spain, 800 m. This considerably differs from first..., however, has never blossomed.
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Leucogenes on May 07, 2017, 08:49:11 PM
this cranberry is from Kamchatka...
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Gabriela on May 11, 2017, 02:11:31 AM
this cranberry is from Kamchatka...

Very cute :) I like tiny plants.

I meant to post the Arctostaphylos uva-ursi from our region and forgot.
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Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on May 11, 2017, 09:17:57 AM
Flowers just like miniature peardrops ;D
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Roma on June 06, 2017, 10:38:28 PM
A couple of 'tree' heathers  in my garden.
I keep forgetting the name of the first one.   I thought it had been completely killed in the 2010 winter but did not remove the stump.  I was surprised when a shoot appeared from just above ground level about a year later.
Erica arborea 'Estrella Gold' 
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: johnw on June 16, 2017, 02:51:42 PM
The seedex Chair for our local Rhodo Chapter & her husband grew Enkianthus campanulatus seed and got this very snazzy green-flowered one.  Has anyone seen such a thing before?  Not I, I have a soft spot for green flowers.

john - +13c @ 10.45; had a tuque on yesterday!   
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on June 16, 2017, 03:31:08 PM
My goodness! I've never seen such a thing. (The green flowered Enkianthus, not John W in a woolly hat - tho' to be honest, I may not have seen that either...)
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: ian mcdonald on June 16, 2017, 05:23:37 PM
I see some gardeners are still conned by the 1950s adverts from peat producers, that ericaceous plants need peat. This false statement was made to convince gardeners that peat was good for your garden. This rumour was put in the press because it only takes a few pence to remove a ton of peat. This in turn destroys a whole eco-system, but so what? Perhaps the people who still use peat in their gardens are the same people who destroy limestone pavements so they can build a rockery? Why not destroy ancient woodlands so you can use the leaf mould? The Environment is not your property, it belongs to ALL of us. For your information, ericaceous plants are those that tolerate peat conditions, not those that need them. If you still think you need peat conditions in a garden (I grow heathers and andromeda in ordinary soil) then there are good substitutes. Do not be selfish and think you can destroy OUR environment just as you please. Perhaps selfish people who are not bothered about OUR environment should not be able to continue as a member of a society/club. 60 years on and people are no more intelligent in that time.
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: johnw on June 16, 2017, 05:48:44 PM
My goodness! I've never seen such a thing. (The green flowered Enkianthus, not John W in a woolly hat - tho' to be honest, I may not have seen that either...)

I wonder how showy it would be once mature?

john
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on June 16, 2017, 07:28:13 PM
 I'm pretty certain John W is mature - so all we need is a pic to see how showy you are in a wolly hat!

Ohh!! You meant the enkianthus?  Well, the flowers are a good size, so I reckon it will make  quite a notable  shrub.
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Maggi Young on June 16, 2017, 07:30:49 PM
I see some gardeners are still conned by the 1950s adverts from peat producers, that ericaceous plants need peat. This false statement was made to convince gardeners that peat was good for your garden. This rumour was put in the press because it only takes a few pence to remove a ton of peat. This in turn destroys a whole eco-system, but so what? Perhaps the people who still use peat in their gardens are the same people who destroy limestone pavements so they can build a rockery? Why not destroy ancient woodlands so you can use the leaf mould? The Environment is not your property, it belongs to ALL of us. For your information, ericaceous plants are those that tolerate peat conditions, not those that need them. If you still think you need peat conditions in a garden (I grow heathers and andromeda in ordinary soil) then there are good substitutes. Do not be selfish and think you can destroy OUR environment just as you please. Perhaps selfish people who are not bothered about OUR environment should not be able to continue as a member of a society/club. 60 years on and people are no more intelligent in that time.
Some people still believe the earth is flat, Ian - maybe such ideas will always persist. They're not widespread, though, thank goodness!
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Martin Sheader on June 16, 2017, 08:39:57 PM
Two of the best and little grown ericaceae, hailing from Patagonia, are Gaultheria pumila and Gaultheria caespitosa. G. pumila is usually less than 5cm tall and covers itself in typical white or pink gaultheria flowers, later just as spectacular with white of pink berries.
The second species, G. caespitosa, is flat on the ground, so much so that the typically pendent gaultheria flowers have to be upright if they are to be available to pollinators.
Seed is occasionally available. I must put more effort into growing these beautiful mountain dwarf shrubs. They really are two of the best in the genus.
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: johnw on June 16, 2017, 10:10:28 PM
I'm pretty certain John W is mature

Better as the French say - un homme mūr.   Ripe that's it, ripe as in a summer fig.

johnw
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Gabriela on June 17, 2017, 01:12:13 AM
The seedex Chair for our local Rhodo Chapter & her husband grew Enkianthus campanulatus seed and got this very snazzy green-flowered one.  Has anyone seen such a thing before?  Not I, I have a soft spot for green flowers.
john - +13c @ 10.45; had a tuque on yesterday!   

The surprises of seed growing!
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Gabriela on June 17, 2017, 01:13:54 AM
Two of the best and little grown ericaceae, hailing from Patagonia, are Gaultheria pumila and Gaultheria caespitosa. G. pumila is usually less than 5cm tall and covers itself in typical white or pink gaultheria flowers, later just as spectacular with white of pink berries.
The second species, G. caespitosa, is flat on the ground, so much so that the typically pendent gaultheria flowers have to be upright if they are to be available to pollinators.
Seed is occasionally available. I must put more effort into growing these beautiful mountain dwarf shrubs. They really are two of the best in the genus.

Both very attractive little plants :) Are these pictures taken in the wild?
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Leucogenes on June 17, 2017, 07:31:12 AM
Two of the best and little grown ericaceae, hailing from Patagonia, are Gaultheria pumila and Gaultheria caespitosa. G. pumila is usually less than 5cm tall and covers itself in typical white or pink gaultheria flowers, later just as spectacular with white of pink berries.
The second species, G. caespitosa, is flat on the ground, so much so that the typically pendent gaultheria flowers have to be upright if they are to be available to pollinators.
Seed is occasionally available. I must put more effort into growing these beautiful mountain dwarf shrubs. They really are two of the best in the genus.


Hello Martin,

Two very beautiful Gaultheria you show here. I especially like this G. caespitosa. I think the photos are from your garden ... or? If this G. caespitosa has enough seeds sometimes, you can think of me. You know my love for native South Americans.

Thomas
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: Martin Sheader on June 17, 2017, 08:34:42 AM
Both gaultherias were photographed in the wild. in southern Patagonia
I have grown both, not very successfully. I will try to acquire some seed.
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: David Nicholson on June 17, 2017, 09:47:48 AM
I see some gardeners are still conned by the 1950s adverts from peat producers, that ericaceous plants need peat. This false statement was made to convince gardeners that peat was good for your garden. This rumour was put in the press because it only takes a few pence to remove a ton of peat. This in turn destroys a whole eco-system, but so what? Perhaps the people who still use peat in their gardens are the same people who destroy limestone pavements so they can build a rockery? Why not destroy ancient woodlands so you can use the leaf mould? The Environment is not your property, it belongs to ALL of us. For your information, ericaceous plants are those that tolerate peat conditions, not those that need them. If you still think you need peat conditions in a garden (I grow heathers and andromeda in ordinary soil) then there are good substitutes. Do not be selfish and think you can destroy OUR environment just as you please. Perhaps selfish people who are not bothered about OUR environment should not be able to continue as a member of a society/club. 60 years on and people are no more intelligent in that time.

As I do with those of many  "eco-warriors" I find your views both limited and limiting. Would you regard a miner as "destroying our environment", maybe you should try that on your soapbox in Barnsley market on a Saturday afternoon?  Similarly would you regard a farmer as an environmental destroyer?  Cows produce milk to feed calves (environmentally sound?) but they eat grass (not environmentally sound?) but they manure grass and therefore a risk of 'wrong' grass growing (not environmentally sound?) Would you buy a bag of composted bark? Would you buy a pint of milk?...............................
Title: Re: Different Ericaceae 2017
Post by: johnralphcarpenter on June 17, 2017, 08:01:24 PM
Easy, tiger!
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