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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: papapoly on March 01, 2017, 07:50:38 PM
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I took the following pics on Feb 27 during a short trip to Central Pindus.
At 350 m, near Meteora.
Crocus flavus
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Moving on 15 km in Kastania where Crocus atticus grows in profusion
At 950 m
096: Colour variation. May be due to the age of flower?
112: another form
121: 4 anthers and 8 segments. 3 for 6 or 4 for 8?
129: another form - more uniform in colour
138: Upper part of the village
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Still at 950 m - Same area
142: this time an severe aberation: 5 anthers, 7 segments. It is not a ratio of 1/2
150: more pointed segments
186: Crocus atticus likes to grow several flowers out of a single bulb. I have seen up to 12. Here 8 flowers
206: another form
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Moving up the hill at 1050 m
216: masses of Crocus atticus facing NE
234: more atticus
266, 270 and 280: Occuring along with Crocus chrysanthous
Did not have the time on my way back to visit locations of Crocus veluchensis (low altitudes - about 800-1000 m)
George Papapolymerou
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Nice Crocus from an area that I like very much.
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Crocus vaclavii
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/707/32391567923_3661768d2e_o.jpg)
Crocus x Gotoburgensis
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2931/32391568543_b2f7845207_o.jpg)
Crocus corsicus
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/678/32391568933_d938991d02_o.jpg)
Crocus abantensis
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3751/32391568213_62fd3d4a0e_o.jpg)
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Crocus heuffelianus 'Shockwave'
and Crocus vernus 'Balkan White'
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Crocus aerius:
(https://up.picr.de/28513477ol.jpg)
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Crocus jablanicensis
Crocus veluchensis
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Look what arrived here today...can't wait to start reading!
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Nice pictures ebbie and Tony. If there is any seed left of Crocus aerius, ebbie I am very interested.
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Look what arrived here today...can't wait to start reading!
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How exciting!
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Crocus pelistericus white form
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Tony I have seen some beautiful albinos in Katara Pass.
This past Sunday I was in mount Ossa. I wewnt up to 1500 m. Lots of snow above this elevation - snowbound.
Here is Crocus veluchensis from about 1000 m.
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Some more images of Crocus chrysanthous at about 1400 m.
George Papapolymerou
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George I have seen lots of C. veluchensis on the Katara Pass but not a white one.
Ossa is a lovely mountain, neglected in favour of Olympus. I have only been there in early May but lots of lovely flowers. Some wonderful Iris reichenbachiana there.
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Crocus cvijicii colour forms
Dark yellow from Mt. Vermion, Greece, pale forms from Mt. Magaro, FYROM
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very few Crocus to show, Crocus kosaninii
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Crocus cvijicii colour forms
Dark yellow from Mt. Vermion, Greece, pale forms from Mt. Magaro, FYROM
Both are very nice. I like this species very much but haven't seen it in the wild till now. Mine are still completely in the ground.
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very few Crocus to show, Crocus kosaninii
Mine are out, first flower after sawing, but all are closed. I have to wait till the weekend when the weather will be hopefully better.
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Crocus cvijicii colour forms
Dark yellow from Mt. Vermion, Greece, pale forms from Mt. Magaro, FYROM
All exquisite, Tony !
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Great images from everybody. 8)
After long time of waiting some 'life' in my meadow ;)
Images were taken today after hefty thunderstorm...
C. bifloriformis (striped and speckled form)
C. heuffelianus
C. chrysanthus 'Cream Beauty'
C. etruscus (now neglectus?) Zwanenburg
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C. tommasinianus (different forms)
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Crocus pelistericus white form
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Crocus angustifolius, Bronze form
Crocus chrysanthus 'Prins Claus'
Crocus 'Fantasy'
Crocus heuffelianus 'Carpathian Wonder'
and Crocus 'Wandering Minstrel'
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Great images from everybody. 8)
After long time of waiting some 'life' in my meadow ;)
Images were taken today after hefty thunderstorm...
C. bifloriformis (striped and speckled form)
C. heuffelianus
C. chrysanthus 'Cream Beauty'
C. etruscus (now neglectus?) Zwanenburg
Looking good in spite of the hard weather, Armin.
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Wim - have you several cats or just no mice and squirrels?
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Wim - have you several cats or just no mice and squirrels?
I'm allergic to cats... ;) And yes, we have mice (no squirrels though) but they are under control (for the moment)...poison and traps :-\
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I'm allergic to cats... ;) ..............................................
You and me too brother! >:( ::)
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You and me too brother! >:( ::)
;D
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Oh, today packed for posting last pre-ordered books. Laft only 4 copies - for those who forgot to add the address, when sent payment. I'm listing them here - may be you will read this post, or your friends will see this list:
Werner Roedel
Laurilla Janne
Eric Hsu
Miettinen Manne and Henrik Johannes
Kate Collins
From my side many thanks for so favourable replies from those who already received book!
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My book arrived a few days ago and it is laying aside when I am labeling my pictures since then. In this short time it has proven to be very helpful, there are no questions left till now.
Many thinks Janis for this fantastic book.
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And here are the first pictures taken today.
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2x Crocus atticus ex Ochi
Crocus dalmaticus ex W Postak
Crocus danfordiae
Crocus flavus ex Kranea
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Crocus heuffelianus
Crocus kosaninii
Crocus minimus
Crocus nubigena ex Samos
Crocus olivieri ex Chortiatis
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2x Crocus malyi
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Beautiful is Crocus malyi. This is one of my favorites, too.
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wonderful collection ;)
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Finally some sort of spring has come to Denmark and the Crocus has started to open.
A week ago I brought some of them in my glass house to get them a chance to open so I could pollinate them in hope of getting seed. Outside that will not happen with the low temperature and lack of sun. But ironically, then temperature had risen and yesterday we had a nice sunny day!
Crocus alexandri
Crocus abantensis
Crocus aerius
Crocus olivieri olivieri
Poul
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A few more.
Crocus cvijicii x 2
Crocus caricus
Crocus heuffelianus Carpathian Wonder
Crocus Rainbow Gold
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More under glass
Crocus Pauline
Crocus sieberi Ronald Ginns
Crocus sieheanus
Crocus angustifolius and sieheanus
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And some from my garden
One of my crocus beds
Crocus abantensis
Crocus biflorus taurii - the blue color on the pic is the true color. Almost Tecophilaea cyanocrocus blue!
Crocus Constellation
Crocus corsicus
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A few more
Crocus Elegance x 2
Crocus Herald
Crocus Eyecatcher
Crocus fleischeri
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More from my garden
Crocus Guadeamus
Crocus heuffelianus Snow Princess
A hybrid bought as heuffelianus
Crocus Janis Ruksans x 2
Poul
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Also a nice collection of Crocus. Crocus caricus is one of my favourites.
Today not much more but Crocus abantensis that has opened its flowers.
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And the last ones for today
Crocus Skyline
Crocus tommasinianus Roseus
Many more to come.
Crocus pelistericus and scardicus has just poked through. I hope they will slow down a little because I will be in China the next 2 weeks.
Poul
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Have a great trip to China, Poul - I feel like offering to come watch over your crocus while you are away!
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This is what I got as Crocus tommasinianus Albus -
I am not sure about the identification of this (sterile) species
Gerd
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Have a great trip to China, Poul - I feel like offering to come watch over your crocus while you are away!
Thank you Maggi!
You are welcome to look after my Crocus - and I have some Galanthus too ;)
And if you do, I am sure my wife has some chocolate for you. ;D ;D ;D
My trip to China is strictly business, and there are little (if any) time for botanizing :'(
Poul
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Also a nice collection of Crocus. Crocus caricus is one of my favourites.
Today not much more but Crocus abantensis that has opened its flowers.
Thanks Stefan!
Your collection is very nice too! Maybee we can do some swapping in the summer?
Poul
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Of course we can Poul. I hope you will have a successful trip.
Today I photographed some Crocus that are flowering for the first time, first two from self collected seed. I hope I determined them correctly.
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some Crocus nubigena from Ikaria and Samos
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And this Crocus got as Crocus reticulatus is probably Crocus variegatus.
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Great images from everybody. 8) :o 8)
Crocus neglectus from the wild
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If you want to see more images http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15235.msg373491#msg373491 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15235.msg373491#msg373491)
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Crocus pelistericus ,a pale lavender form
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Tony, is that an offspring of your white pelistericus or a wild variant?
Poul
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The "blues" of the day:
Crocus 'Karin'
Crocus 'Spring Beauty'
Crocus veluchensis 'Pearl of Rhodop'
and Crocus veluchensis, from seeds of the Crocus Group and with a little helper to make some seeds of itself.
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Tony, is that an offspring of your white pelistericus or a wild variant?
Poul
It is a cross from a white and purple one. Very pleased with the colour.
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This week in Dresden - photo by Zdena Kosourová
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Yesterday finished despatching of pre-ordered books and so can allow some time for forum. Not many pictures were made in this very unusual, cold and rainy, dark spring when the earliest bloomers from CA flowers in same time as the earliest ones. Outside is cold rain and I only made brief look in greenhouse, so unpleasant weather is now, but there some pictures made few days ago when we had some of very few sunny hours this spring.
At first 2 pictures of crocus beds (date when picture taken below each picture) in my new greenhouse - still under building.
Then two pictures of my collections gem - pink Crocus alatavicus. Crocus alatavicus didn't grew well this spring - was damaged by late frosts, but this one not suffered.
In same day was pictured comparatively late bloomer - Crocus antalyensioides - yellow/blue form - most likely hybrid with flavus or mouradii.
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Crocus gembosii seedlings always brings some surprises. Here some of those.
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In last Stapfia issue (December, 2016) Kerndorff & al. published article where critised some of my new species and especially under doubt was put C. duncanii. I discussed this in my book (I still had time and possibility to re-arrange page layout for this species), but this spring observations on cultivated plants showed that my data are even more than correct. So I put here a pair of pictures from plants collected at both observed populations where C. duncanii is growing. They all are very uniform by flowers and flower dimensions - the length and width index in crocus duncanii for outer segments was between 4.6 to 4.8, and for inner segments 4.0-4.3, in the same time even the slimmest flower of crocus carpetanus had width and length indexes 3.7 and 2.8.
Another picture shows Crocus carpetanus grown from seeds sent to me by Rafa-Diez.
On next picture are flower segments of C. duncanii (top row - each from different population) and C. carpetanus (2 bottom rows, 4 different populations) fixed on sticky tape. Each flower is from different population, selected were typical flowers, only one - the smallest and most slender were specially fixed to compare with typical C. duncanii - to check aren't some overlapping.
The last picture is from another cross between abantensis and ancyrensis - C. x paulinae. Cross made by myself in cultivation.
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In this series - Crocus gunerii. Before this species was published by Turkish botanists, I regarded my plants as some wild hybrid.
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In this entry 3 pictures of Crocus leucostylosus (type gathering)
Crocus abantensis 'Azkaban's Escapee' and
Crocus candidus from near Čan
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Crocus demirizianus (type gathering)
Crocus olivieri 'Albina' found in wild by Ibrahim, this spring for the first time bloomed its open pollinated seedlings - all identical with mother plant.
Crocus tauricus so named "Red Form"
Crocus tommasinianus selection from John Grimshaw - 'White Pointed'.
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For this moment last entry (still many pictures left)
Crocus athous from Athos peninsula really is marvellous!
Another from N Greece - Crocus orphei - occasionally has black in anthers.
Then Crocus mediotauricus from HKEP gathering and after that mine gathering from approximately same locality, but could be different species. Problem is that real localities of new species published by HKEP are not mentioned even on the type herbarium sheets so making them practically invaluable and unusable for other scientists.
And as last - Crocus atticus from suburbs of Athens.
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Still very few from yesterday, when some sun shined in afternoon
Crocus brickellii - from C. danfordiae family but with long stigma and large throat - 23 colour forms
Crocus violaceus
Crocus pestalozzae
and as last white form of C. thirkeanus (herbertii) from Boz Dag - it is the first blooming 4 years after its collecting
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New Crocus species very recently was published - Crocus heilbronniorum Erol. It is published in Phytotaxa 298 (2): 173–180, 2017.
Seem to be good species, although there are some discrepancies between published pictures (especially in design) and description.
It is close relative of C. atrospermus (genetically) but very different by morphology. At present it is placed in series Lyciotauri with unusual basal rings for this series and special proportion between filaments/anthers length (according description, but not after pictures).
So already started process which puts my book out of date, but in my book is noted - situation on the 1st December, 2016. As I know 3 -4 more new species are under preparation by different botanists.
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Fantasic pictures Janis.
I enjoyed the nice weather yesterday to take some pictures in the garden and since then I am speculating what Crocus I have from the former YU. The first two can also originate from Montenegro, I am unsure where I have collected the seeds.
The first two are small flowered, the other big.
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The next are from Greece but I don't know where Crocus sublimis is from.
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and some more.
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Fantasic pictures Janis.
I enjoyed the nice weather yesterday to take some pictures in the garden and since then I am speculating what Crocus I have from the former YU. The first two can also originate from Montenegro, I am unsure where I have collected the seeds.
The first two are small flowered, the other big.
The first two is now vernus (former albiflorus)
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Today was only slightly clouded day, so it was possible to picture some crocuses.
In this entry pictures from Bulgarian crocus known in Bulgaria as C. adamii, but it certainly isn't adamii and not adamioides, too, although this name is attached to pictures. Actually this species is under research of HKEP as they visited Bulgaria, but my plants comes from Bulgarian nurseryman, although originally was collected in wild. So I decided not to include it in my book - leaving its publication to German researchers.
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Now true adamioides - two pictures from KKEP collection and one from mine own, and last two are C. antherotes which I got from Dirk.
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Now the first is Crocus atticus from near Athens
Then C. bifloriformis (my own collection)
and last three are hybrids
The first is selection from Juris Egle hybrid Jūrpils (most likely accidental mix in stock) and last two are from my best white 'Snow Crystal'
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The first is nice light yellow selection from very dark yellow population of C. chrysanthus
Then unusual forms of C. minutus
and last in this entry - C. thracicus
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As ever, Janis, it is a delight to enjoy your crocus photos and learn from every post.
I am delighted to learn that the AGS will be stocking your book and also that it will be available from a supplier in Australia for those in the Southern hemisphere.
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In last for today entry
3 forms of C. simavensis - the first two my own collection, the third from HKEP
then C. sublimis from place where C. georgii is growing, too
And last picture shows floods near my garden this spring. Now water level still raised. It is pool and pump-house normally around 1 m over water level. Still 5 cm and water will enter my wife's Hosta garden where Corydalis collection and some other shade ,loving bulbs are grown. Never before something similar was observed.
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As ever, Janis, it is a delight to enjoy your crocus photos and learn from every post.
I am delighted to learn that the AGS will be stocking your book and also that it will be available from a supplier in Australia for those in the Southern hemisphere.
Thanks, Maggi! Book was sent to German booksellers, too and the first box with books they got in good shape.
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It is such a delight to see your Crocus pictures Janis, I have one to share today - Crocus pelistericus shown here growing in mesh baskets plunged in a sand plunge with Narcissus cyclamineus and Erythronium dens canis
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Crocus pelistericus
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Nice group of pelistericus Ian!
I only have a few in pots.
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I grow a few clones of Crocus x Gotoburgensis courtesy of Tony Willis, which I find easier to flower than either parent. Here is x Gotoburgensis:
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and, in my best Kirk Douglas voice: I am Scardicus:
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Fantastic pictures of wonderful plants; congratulation Steve.
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Beautiful pictures Steve,I see your pelistericus is the form with a white stigma. They also come in orange (not separated into different speces yet!) Seems quite unusual to have two different colours and I have not noticed it in any other species. Brian Mathew noted it in 'The Crocus'
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Beautiful pictures Steve,I see your pelistericus is the form with a white stigma. They also come in orange (not separated into different speces yet!) Seems quite unusual to have two different colours and I have not noticed it in any other species. Brian Mathew noted it in 'The Crocus'
Thanks Tony.
Intrigued by your comment on stigma colour I nipped out to check on the plant in the second image the flower of which is now going over -however it does have an orange stigma .....and is one of yours.
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It is such a delight to see your Crocus pictures Janis, I have one to share today - Crocus pelistericus shown here growing in mesh baskets plunged in a sand plunge with Narcissus cyclamineus and Erythronium dens canis
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Crocus pelistericus
Excellently growing pelistericus in outside garden. I have it only in pots and only first nose is visible yet. Will see later. This winter was not the best for crocuses here even under cover - so many times frost changed to warm days, growing many times were stopped and many plants had damage on shoots, but in general I'm quite satisfied.
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I work at the Norfolk & Norwich Hospital - the drive onto site has been enhanced by a lovely planting of purple crocus which is part of the Rotary Purple for Polio campaign to publicise their programme to eradicate the disease polio. Looking good today in the sun, growing with daisies in short grass.
http://www.rotary-ribi.org/districts/page.php?PgID=578150&DistrictNo=1090 (http://www.rotary-ribi.org/districts/page.php?PgID=578150&DistrictNo=1090)
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The Crocus season is going towards its end here but there are still some that are coming into flower now.
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that's wonderful :o
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Last days of March but crocuses still are blooming here. I passed last week in hospital due backbone problems (after replacing very heavy boxes with my Crocus book), so many flowers were lost, but still some are blooming. Only picturing isn't very easy due some pain still when I'm bending.
Crocus olivieri 'Albina' was found by Ibrahim in region where no C. candidus is growing, but seedlings of Albina perfectly replace mother plants. There are morphological features separating both, too.
Then most common form of C. cvijicii from Greece, very different from plants from type locality in Republic of Macedonia (the last picture). Seem that their DNA needs checking.
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Hope you'll feel better within few weeks and relax a bit.
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Take care , Janis - you need to pace yourself!
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I work at the Norfolk & Norwich Hospital - the drive onto site has been enhanced by a lovely planting of purple crocus which is part of the Rotary Purple for Polio campaign to publicise their programme to eradicate the disease polio. Looking good today in the sun, growing with daisies in short grass.
http://www.rotary-ribi.org/districts/page.php?PgID=578150&DistrictNo=1090 (http://www.rotary-ribi.org/districts/page.php?PgID=578150&DistrictNo=1090)
Spotted these on the most recent - of many - visits to the N&N with our youngest. Wonder if our paths have crossed!
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Hello Janis, has the flood cleared?
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Then most common form of C. cvijicii from Greece, very different from plants from type locality in Republic of Macedonia (the last picture). Seem that their DNA needs checking.
hello Janis sorry to hear about your back,it is most unpleasant.
Here is a picture of two of my Crocus cvijicii from FYROM and like you say they are very different from those in Greece
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In the Roundabound Pflückuff/Torgau we installated some years ago a mix with crocus, perennials and grasses, called "Tanz der Gräser".
foto 1: In mart 2017 the crocus are full in flowering. The roundabound was protected with gravels against weeds and high waterevaporation.
foto 2: The same roundabound in october 2017with autumn flowers and grasses!
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Very effective planting, Harald-Alex.
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There ought to be more roundabouts like the one shown.
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Thank You, Maggi Young and Ian Mcdonald for Your nice comments. I gave they to the road construction office Leipzig!
We have here in our region another place, where blue wild crocus grow for many years. In the churchyard and the surrounding farm of Wildschütz near Torgau every year in march flower thousands of deepblue crocus (variety is unknown). The over 80 years old farmer Müller looks every day for the flowers and the visitors. Galanthus, Leucojum, Eranthis and in autumn Cholchicum there also grow in great amounts.
Fotos:
1. Crocus around the church of Wildschütz
2. Crocus in the garden of the farmer Müller, who is the neighbor of the church
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Great pictures Harald-Alex