Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Yann on January 06, 2017, 03:50:40 PM
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The first of the season: Ophrys fusca, an earlier form from Rhodos
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My word, I wouldn't have guessed from your photos at the end of the year - http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13912.msg369042#msg369042 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13912.msg369042#msg369042) - that they would come so quickly to flower
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It is amazing what a bit of heat will do, not that we are due any of that in the next few days.
Pass the blow torch!
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The first of the season: Ophrys fusca, an earlier form from Rhodos
Hi Yann, from the north of France! Nice Ophrys, I love them. I'm also from the north of France!
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this afternoon, outside minus 6°c but under glass when sun was shinning 16°C, enough to trigger the first blossoms.
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Jules from which area? you can PM
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My friend, Stella Tracey, has sent me some Orchid pictures and has agreed that I post them on the Forum. The four (SM1-SM4) are of Orchids in Stella's meadow.
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The next are from a secret Devon location.
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My word - lovely in all locations!
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That bicolour orchid is a very strange Early Purple. I have seen a few all whites, but never one with a bit of both.
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that's what i call a magic carpet ;D
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Love the Bi-colour Orchis mascula
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I see Jeff Hutchings of Laneside Hardy Orchids has some interesting plants on offer :
" the following cypripedium show specials on offer on the web shop at the moment. All have a minimum of 8 big buds and some even more. Orders can be placed on the web shop or drop me an email. All orders plus postage. Plants to the UK will be sent out potted. There are photographs of the flowers of these plants on the web.
Lady Dorine, Memoria Shawna Austin, Lucas, Ursel, Memoria Gerd Kohls.
also Bernd, Bernd White, Boots, Michael, Formosanum
Orders will be dispatched in late February."
See details on Jeff's website here (http://www.lanesidehardyorchids.com/)
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See details on Jeff's website here (http://www.lanesidehardyorchids.com/)
....... and Jeff's advert in the January edition of The Rock Garden which will be out soon.
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Some pot-grown orchids starting to flower here:
Ophrys leochroma -two different clones, one of which has swept-back petals.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/502/32281076441_92818f7b15_o_d.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/454/32281076721_36026740c4_o_d.jpg)
Ophrys lutea
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/747/32401558355_623c89af72_o_d.jpg)
Ophrys speculum
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/266/32401558505_280453b9b1_o_d.jpg)
Anacamptis papilionacea
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/603/32401558275_a2685a128d_o_d.jpg)
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fantastic, is there a microclimate in Scotland?
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Thanks Yann. There are numerous micro-climates in Scotland.
I live on the edge of the inner Firth of Forth estuary -at the "waist" of Scotland. My garden is about 6m above sea level and has a distinctly maritime climate (without the salt spray) which means that I usually avoid extremes of cold. My garden is south-facing as are my greenhouses and so they warm up quickly on sunny days even in mid-winter. I find that many of my plants are ahead of other growers living inland by a week or two.
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Your pictures are phantastic Steve.
But I don't agree with all of your names. Your first O. leochroma has a much too bright basal field. O. leochroma has a very dark one. I suppose it is O. tenthredinifera. Regarding the flowering time your second O. leochroma is also O. tenthredinifera as O. leochroma flowers much later than O. tenthredinifera.
I don't know what your O. lutea really is, probably a member of the O. subfusca group but it is surely not O. lutea.
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leochroma has larger W mark, a label rolled up (not always) and no hair on the appendix, other tenthredinifera subsp. and main specie has hairs.
We don't see the whole plant but leochroma looks usually stronger. I've seen in south of Greece and Crete plants with pale green sepals completly different from the deep colored plants of Rhodes and Samos. Archanes spots are known for their pale sepals.
Here's a fine document : https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B74GKpOnhkpJMHlHbTNGcS1OUkk
fusca group is certainly the one to give headache :-\
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Thanks Sokol. Ophrys are so variable that I struggle with the proliferation of species that some taxonomists propose. Perhaps I should label my images as "O. tenthredinifera group" and "O. lutea group".
My "leochroma" were raised from seed collected in Crete. This provenance precludes them from being tenthredinifera in the strict sense.
O. leochroma, O. villosa and O. dictynnae are all present on Crete with leochroma being late-flowering and dictynnae early flowering but the flowering time of a cultivated plant doesn't have the same significance as in the wild.
I wouldn't argue with your comments regarding my O. lutea image -this plant always flowers early in my collection and is very underwhelming as subfusca types are. I have other plants of the O. lutea group which flower later and look better.
In 2013 Pierre Devillers and Jean Devillers-Terschuren merged the O. subfusca group with the O. lutea group. (Devillers, P. & Devillers-Terschuren, J. 2013.- Pseudophrys du groupe d'Ophrys lutea: un aperçu. Natural. belges 94 (Orchid. 26): 115-164).
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Thanks Yann for the link and Steve for clarification of the first plants and response.
If you had called them "O. tenthredinifera group" and "O. lutea group" it would be correct but superficial and we would'nt had any discussion.
Regarding the provenance, flowering time and the article of Paulus & Hirth your first plants should be O. dictynnae or the not described O. "dimidiata". I know from our annual discussions with both of them how difficult it is to distinguish the different species of tenthredinifera s.l. and how they struggle to understand the differences between O. dictynnae and O. "dimidiata". On the contrary the pollinators always knew very well which is which.
Even when Delforge changes his groupes and we know all that there are very artificial groups, there are simiarities of this former group like the pulvinate lip.
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Steve, you are a good month or more ahead of Lincolnshire. I have no Ophrys spikes showing as yet, and I'd have to see the sun to have the greenhouses warm up. Coastal clag and fog all week here.
As for the confusion over the names all I have to say is "God save lumpers!" Must admit, the book I used on Crete last year, Kretzchmar and Eccarius, reckons tenthredinifera was present though I didn't find any.
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For the orchids of Greece and Crete, I think the book from Antonis Alibertis, The self-sown orchids of Greece is a nice one to use.
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I repotted all of mine last summer. Too many are no shows despite the mild weather
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Yes Antonis book is a must have, pricey but usefull.
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I don't have it because of the high price and haven't even seen it. I am waiting for a probably better one of Antonopoulos & Tsiftsis with detailled distribution maps.
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While we were on Crete my wife found a copy of the Bee Orchids of Greece by Antonopoulos. It was quite expensive so I said "No thanks" but she bought it for me anyway. Lovely book, nice photographs, but a splitters' dream and very much contradicted the other identification sources that I had with me. Seems every new publication just makes things more complicated and they are certainly not all singing the same song. Seems to me that the naming of Ophrys is in total chaos and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.
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I bought the book while I was looking for orchids around Spili, Antonis was selling the books from his 4wheeldrive car boot, in the field. Couldn't resist but forgot to ask him to sign the book for me.
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Seems to me that the naming of Ophrys is in total chaos and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.
I wouldn't say chaos but nature isn't always easy to understand.
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I bought the book while I was looking for orchids around Spili, Antonis was selling the books from his 4wheeldrive car boot, in the field. Couldn't resist but forgot to ask him to sign the book for me.
Prudent tradesman, he knows where to find his customers.
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Prudent tradesman, he knows where to find his customers.
I think there are now over 220 'species'of ophrys in Greece. Soon be as many dactylorhiza species as every mountain now has its own.
I am off to Spili in April I hope whoever has divided them up has left some labels stuck beside them as otherwise it will be impossible to identify all the new ones from the old ones.
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Unfortunately we have never found these labels and are still waiting for a measuring instrument that tells us the names.
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Some of you are around Spili next april? PM me
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Some of you are around Spili next april? PM me
Sorry, will be around Monte Gargano this April.
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Some of you are around Spili next april? PM me
Great area, but sorry, I have been there in 2014 and will make a trip through Croatia, Albania till Peloponnese this April.
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aaah Gargano another nice garden ;D late april this year, due to cold and snow, will be good.
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aaah Gargano another nice garden ;D late april this year, due to cold and snow, will be good.
I visited Crete last year but we were almost too late, due to warm and dry early spring. I hope in Gargano it will not be cold for too long, we are going mid april.
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I think south europe will have a late spring blossom.
A friend travelled to Akamas peninsula (Cyprus) last week, he said orchids vegetation are at least 3 weeks late than 2016.
Crete has heavy snow. However more water means better blooming.
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I visited Crete last year but we were almost too late, due to warm and dry early spring. I hope in Gargano it will not be cold for too long, we are going mid april.
We went to the Gargano first week in April and it was very good. If it is a late spring your timing should be perfect.
This year it is Crete same time as Yann and so we shall both be pleased or disappointed at the same time!
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Ophrys lutea
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/727/31744741793_c0a9bccde4_o_d.jpg)
Ophrys ferrum-equinum
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/505/31744742633_ed52b26051_o_d.jpg)
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Already?!
Lovely flowers and of course photos in any case.
Alex
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Damn it's pretty early!
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Ophrys reinholdii
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2708/32145562233_469292f6f9_o.jpg)
Ophrys aesculapii
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/664/32145562443_4d1a5e8d5b_o.jpg)
Ophrys spruneri
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2840/32145562363_47a0da5a80_o.jpg)
Ophrys scolopax -or related species
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3869/32145562803_6635f280af_o.jpg)
Ophrys kotschyi
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/339/32145562563_9888c66f2d_o.jpg)
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Your close-up Ophrys pictures are always mesmerizing Steve :)
What amazing diversity in this genus!!!
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Ophrys scolopax -or related species ;D
Nice pictures as always.
I hope to see the first three in April.
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Ophrys speculum
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looks like Steve has a mediterranean microclimate! Fantastic shots
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Thanks Yann.
They share a greenhouse with Australian orchids, South African bulbs, Onco and Juno irises. The minimum air temperature at night is +4C with usually a significant daytime lift. There are a number of small fans which keep the air moving.
Next year I will move some of the Junos into a colder greenhouse as they do better with a cold winter rest.
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And it is the significant daytime lift which means that your plants are weeks ahead of mine this year Steve. The sun seems to have vanished from this part of the world.
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Corybas diemenicus (x 2)
and Corybas incurvus (x 2)
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Ophrys tenthredinifera
Ophrys speculum
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Ophrys tenthredinifera var. viridiflora
and Ophrys cephalonica
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And Orchis anthropophora starting today
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Ophrys araneola
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Orchis lactea deploying its flowers, after a warm week cold is back. Blooming of many Ophrys is delayed.
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Orchis lactea deploying its flowers, after a warm week cold is back. Blooming of many Ophrys is delayed.
Wow - this one must be a wonder when all flowers open.
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Next week end it'll great ;) A very common in the Balkans and south of europe: Orchis italica
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Cypripedium formosanum
....Can only tolerate very limited frost
Bernd
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Neotinea ustulata
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2928/33556490875_04438bd22a_o_d.jpg)
Neotinea tridentata
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2818/33556490645_53e58d68d6_o_d.jpg)
Orchis provincialis
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3856/33556490395_4e3559c557_o_d.jpg)
Diuris behrii
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2895/33556490155_09924f5c4d_o_d.jpg)
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Diuris is from Australia?
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Diuris is from Australia?
I think the Diuris are all endemic to Australia.
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D. fryana is the single exception - from Timor.
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ok, it's a genius i didn't know at all. Orchids world is endless :P
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once again an Ophrys scolopax subsp ???, the scolopax group is huge.
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Orchis lactea deploying its flowers, after a warm week cold is back. Blooming of many Ophrys is delayed.
Mine flower at Christmas
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Orchis mascula (in pot)
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ok, it's a genius i didn't know at all. Orchids world is endless :P
Have a look here https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/fc2d65a7-bd14-433b-8db7-4ef5bf1b8466 (https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/fc2d65a7-bd14-433b-8db7-4ef5bf1b8466)
cheers
fermi
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thanks Fermi, very nice website
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I have quite a few native orchid pictures and may put them on the site in the future.
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Lovely orchid i found by mistake in Torremolinos, Spain two weeks ago.
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Serapias lingua.
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Serapias lingua is my favorite of that genus, Wim. Nice group.
...Claire
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Flowering today: Ophrys mammosa and O. speculum
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Diuris amplissima
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2902/33859992216_ed30a654dc_o_d.jpg)
Diuris orientis
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2830/33859991316_5d14bf9959_o_d.jpg)
Orchis quadripunctata
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2909/33859991106_8bc30c2b52_o_d.jpg)
Orchis mascula
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2859/33822823655_5f76d876d4_o_d.jpg)
Orchis morio
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2901/33822824095_fa7bf5b02c_o_d.jpg)
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Thelymitra rubra
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2816/33892241732_93b1ae26aa_o_d.jpg)
Thelymitra luteocilum
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2878/33892242132_8bd1266ace_o_d.jpg)
Ophrys cornuta, or close relative.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2853/34008720986_784510fe42_o_d.jpg)
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Ophrys scolopax and fuciflora
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Thelymitra nuda -Forget about Vandas, if you want true blue in an orchid then it's Thelymitra (There are also some blue Disas -anyone growing them?) . These plants can take a few degrees of frost but need temperatures above 22ºC for the flowers to open.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4159/33484305794_cc9ab0e460_o_d.jpg)
Anacamptis pyramidalis
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2882/34325962435_c4074d1a02_o_d.jpg)
Orchis morio
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4184/34325960895_358028402e_o_d.jpg)
Orchis morio -an almost white form.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2821/34195138231_785ca3500c_o_d.jpg)
Orchis chmpagneuxii
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4168/34195138001_ca1afe01b8_o_d.jpg)
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Dactylorhiza sambucina -yellow flowered form.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2883/34325966005_e6a9a0080d_o_d.jpg)
Dactylorhiza sambucina -red flowered form.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4167/34325962735_d28cc6ce33_o_d.jpg)
Orchis militaris
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2806/34325965675_076c01f47a_o_d.jpg)
Orchis picta
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4163/34325966505_bbd85480ed_o_d.jpg)
Thelymitra megacalyptra
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2829/33515657813_1c904a2f15_o_d.jpg)
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great photos Steve!
Here's Ophrys averyronensis
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Those Thelymitra look amazing. I had to google as have not come across them before and found reports that they smell of strawberry jam? (!)
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Thelymitra xmacmillanii
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I have had several Thelymitras flowering over the past month or so and the only way any of them would smell of strawberry jam is if I covered them with... strawberry jam. No noticeable sent from any of them and I gave to shut the greenhouse up tight to get the temperature up enough to persuade the flowers to open.
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Black orchids.
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from which region? looks like mammosa group for the last one
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How would you call the second? I have no name.
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Something for folks to do who are weekending in the Glasgow area .....( as well as the SRGC Show in Milngavie on Saturday 6th!)
Glasgow Botanic Gardens in conjunction with the Scottish Orchid Society will be hosting the 20th Annual Orchid Fair in the Kibble Palace on the 6th & 7th May. This event is celebrating the bicentennial of the founding of the Gardens and in addition to the Scottish Orchid Society there will be another seven Orchid Societies displaying. Apart from the usual orchid vendors, Jeff Hutchings from Laneside Hardy Orchids (www.lanesidehardyorchids.com (http://www.lanesidehardyorchids.com)) will be returning to Glasgow after a number of years absence. This and the opportunity to see a wider range of orchids than usual might be of interest to your members. I appreciate that you are having a show up on Milngavie on the Saturday but the Orchid Fair continues on the Sunday. Details can be found on the website www.scottishorchid.org (http://www.scottishorchid.org).
Alan Mackenzie
General Secretary
Scottish Orchid Society
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A few from me please excuse quality of photos taken on phone. The pleione limprichtii(?) has been growing outside under this rock for 3 years it has bulked up to 3 flowering pseudobulbs.
The Orphys sphegodes subsp. sphegodes which I sown from seed 3 years ago, is a nice yellow form, all the others are normal. I have selfed the two flowers. So will have have seed hopefully 😁 Pm if interested in any
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This year's first harvest of Anacamptis morio with more to come, sown last September on Malmgren-medium. As it is my first ever sown orchids I'm quite pleased with the result :).
Erik D
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Lizard orchid img. 1020563. I will put it in the garden later.
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Thelymitra megacalyptra -flowering spike, a good value orchid which has been in flower for weeks.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4172/34458235292_a1383bcd2f_o_d.jpg)
Ophrys cornuta -complete with dust from a recent volcanic eruption.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4177/34578677236_80965cc392_o_d.jpg)
Galearis spectabilis -seems to be paler than it was last year.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4173/34633647396_063c85a314_o_d.jpg)
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back from Vercors, after landing (south of Belgium) i drove not so far to check the state of the ophrys fuciflora. Disaster as in many place due to heat and dryness.
I managed to find somes in bloom. This Gymnadenia need water...33°C
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The second picture looks like Fondry des Chiens.
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Yes, your view is better than mine.
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Dactylorhiza spaghnicola in flower in my garden.
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lazy week-end, just crossed the belgium frontier to walk a bit and photographied wildlife.
Dactylorhiza fuschii x incarnata
Dactylorhiza praetermissa
Epipactis palustris
Dactylorhiza incarnata
Dactylorhiza maculata
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Dactylorhiza fuschii
Dactylorhiza majalis x foliosa
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The hybrid swarm of dactylorhizas have started to bloom. They are a mix of Dd. fuchsii, majalis, and maculata. It's lovely to have such a "weed" show up everywhere in the garden.
...Claire
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like these weeds :D
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me too! Quality "weeds" - Ian is writing about this sort of "weed" in the Bulb Log - out tomorrow!
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Your "lazy weekend" has resulted in a lot of great photos, Yann! Including that nice Yellow Rattle - Rhinanthus minor (?) , which I've always thought would be pretty in the garden.
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It's Rhinanthus angustifolius, minor grows in southern regions. Germination is erractic, should grab some seeds later (remind me...)
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:D
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Dactylorhiza sphagnicola flowering in my garden.
Pogonia ophioglossoides (leftover from cleaning out my little swamp this spring)
an Ponerorchis graminifolia 'Renzetsu Shi-Itten'
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Bletilla sp. -meant to be a dark pink form of ochracea.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4195/35145507565_30e8a1fb19_o_d.jpg)
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Anacamptis pyramidalis -on a dour and dreich day, not the best for photography.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4239/34811958690_35fab7dfb1_o.jpg)
Gymnadenia conopsea -a very robust form (with Anacamptis laxiflora in the background).
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4278/34811958990_e2e749189b_o.jpg)
Dactylorhiza maculata alba
-not as pure a white as that named after a famous Inuit lady.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4218/34811959340_81e62f0b7f_o.jpg)
Platanthera chlorantha This, the Greater Butterfly Orchid is distinguished from the Lesser Butterfly Orchid by having more widely spaced pollinia which lie at an angle to each other. The flower has a pleasant vanilla scent which is different from the Lesser. Differences in foliage are also suggested as distinguishing factors but I find these are inconsistent in cultivated plants.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4221/34811959700_01fe2b9780_o.jpg)
Platanthera bifolia This is the Lesser Butterfly Orchid. It has a different scent from the Greater Butterfly Orchid and the pollinia lie closely together and parallel under a triangular hood.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4217/35198548575_7ce6a9b3f8_o.jpg)
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me too! Quality "weeds" - Ian is writing about this sort of "weed" in the Bulb Log - out tomorrow!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Jun071496828516BULB_LOG_2317.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Jun071496828516BULB_LOG_2317.pdf)
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A couple of Dactylorhiza both from my friend Mike Quest
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A superb dark Dactylorhiza David.
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Yes, it's a good form Steve. Mike tells me he got it from Wildside around five years ago and he has around five good sized clumps in various parts of his garden as well as those he gave to me . His pink form came from Simon Bond.
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But presumably we have a problem with colour on the photo? Otherwise that is the bluest dact in history and wonderful beyond belief!
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Well, according to Mrs N, I'm the World's worst when it comes to colours! My picture is, to me, a fair representation of the plant's colour. I'll try another shot tomorrow morning, in the morning the light won't be as direct as it was when I took the first shot.
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Same camera setting (Program mode), morning light rather than afternoon as in the previous shot. Not blue any more?
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Not as blue, but still impressive. I live in hope of a genuinely blue dact!
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Nice clump David
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In flower today and everytime they do all I can think about is the delicious little 'Inkspot' at Oxen Pond BG and the one we lost ex Jack Drake's.
1 - Dactylorhiza sp. or hybrid ex Don Armstrong
2 - Dactylorhiza foliosa ex Jack Elliot
3 - Dactylorhiza praetermissa v. julialus 'Inkspot'
john
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John, where did you get your Dacts? Love the foliage on praetermissa 'Inkspot'.
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John, where did you get your Dacts? Love the foliage on praetermissa 'Inkspot'.
Long ago from Don in BC - likely from Thelma Chapman originally, Jack Drake in Scotland and the great guru Jack Eliot in England.
john
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Dactylorhiza praetermissa subsp. junialis is the pearl of our nature in The Netherlands, the low country in the delta of Rhine and Meuse. It is the orchid, loving wetlands streams ditches and so on. In our country, laid mainly below sea-level you may think it is a weed, but it isn't. It is threatened by building activities, road constructions, industrial parks, agriculture and many other.
This native species has been settled in my garden where I have made a typical habitat. From the border of a pond towards the middle they found home between the roots of irisses.
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It looks great :D
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Epipactis palustris
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Our lovely mixed hybrid dactylorhiza are a feature in this week's Bulb Log ....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Jun211498034426BULB_LOG_2517.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2017Jun211498034426BULB_LOG_2517.pdf)
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Gerrit, good photos. of the Helleborine. Mine are only just in bud but spreading slowly.
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this afternoon i travelled between Antwerp and the south of Holland, hoping the heat didn't burnt completly the orchids.
I was surprised to still found nice plants compared to the Chanel's dunes where almost all plants are making seeds pods.
Epipactis palustris
Liparis loeselii
Herminium monorchis
Dactylorhiza praetermissa (?? color is strange and the shape doesn't match incarnata, may be an hybrid)
Dactylorhiza praetermissa x fuschii
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The first of my Platanthera huronensis seedlings is now flowering in the garden. Very modest compared to its fringed cousins.
Anders
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Modest at first glance ,Anders - but repaying close inspection.
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Never seen it in the wild, looks tiny
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Never seen it in the wild, looks tiny
P. huronensis only grows on the shores of Lakes Huron and Michigan Yann. The flowers are small but the plant is tall (over 1 m) and vigorous (a polyploid).
Not often seen and for a while I ignore it believing to be a slightly different coloured dilatata :-[ Only last year I had a closer look. Apparently can be mistaken with P. aquilonis (which has no fragrance).
http://michiganflora.net/species.aspx?id=1831 (http://michiganflora.net/species.aspx?id=1831)
Anders might want to have a closer look. See here P. aquilonis - which can also be mistaken with P. hyperborea
http://linnet.geog.ubc.ca/Atlas/Atlas.aspx?sciname=Platanthera%20aquilonis (http://linnet.geog.ubc.ca/Atlas/Atlas.aspx?sciname=Platanthera%20aquilonis)
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Thanks Gabriela, I think you are right. No scent from the flowers, so probably P. aquilonis.
It seems that P. huronensis is a dilitata-aquilonis hybrid that has chromosome doubled (allotetraploid), inheriting the scent from the dilitata parent. But I guess the only way to be completely sure is a chromosome count.
Anders
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Since you brought this one to attention I checked again - I was wrong about the distribution, P. huronensis has few disjunct populations outside Great Lakes area.
It is more similar with hyperborea than with aquilonis.
Anyway, here's a link with all NA Platanthera. If you want to go that far away with the chrom. counting I can send you material.
http://goorchids.northamericanorchidcenter.org/genus/platanthera/ (http://goorchids.northamericanorchidcenter.org/genus/platanthera/)
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Thanks again Gabriela. I will try to ID from this article: CJ SEARS, 2008, MORPHOLOGICAL DISCRIMINATION OF PLATANTHERA AQUILONIS, P. HURONENSIS, AND P. DILATATA (ORCHIDACEAE) HERBARIUM SPECIMENS, might have to dry one first :)
But if you come across seeds from some of the less greenish American Platantheras........
Anders
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Thanks again Gabriela. I will try to ID from this article: CJ SEARS, 2008, MORPHOLOGICAL DISCRIMINATION OF PLATANTHERA AQUILONIS, P. HURONENSIS, AND P. DILATATA (ORCHIDACEAE) HERBARIUM SPECIMENS, might have to dry one first :)
But if you come across seeds from some of the less greenish American Platantheras........
Anders
I answered by pm Anders.
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Bletilla formosana very delicate and airy
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Epipactis helleborine, difficult to believe but it has appeared spontaneously in the shrub border at the front of the house. I have one plant in a pot in a frame at the back of the house.
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Bletilla formosana very delicate and airy
Isn't it just?
Epipactis helleborine
Love these green flowers
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Bletilla formosana very delicate and airy
A most attractive orchid Tony!
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A most attractive orchid Tony!
Seconded, very pretty.
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Some orchids in flower here.
Bletilla ochracea
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Epipactis palustris -A group growing in a pot and a close-up of the flowers.
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Ponerorchis graminifolia
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Found this Dactylorhiza maculata fuchsii in Stor-Elvdal, Norway today, and I think its one of the most beautiful specimens of the species I've ever seen. [attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
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That is a remarkable form.
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very nice!
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Found this Dactylorhiza maculata fuchsii in Stor-Elvdal, Norway today, and I think its one of the most beautiful specimens of the species I've ever seen.
Elegant and beautiful markings
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Epipactis are at their peak in the garden now. E. mairei (my clone is not as strongly colored as some of the photon on the net), E palustris clone without the red anthocyanins, and E 'Passionate' which is a brilliant and easy hybrid - almost a weed.
Anders
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Some mid-summer weirdos:
Habenaria radiata
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Spiranthes sinensis
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Neottianthe calcicola
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Senghasiella glaucifolia -This plant, complete with a Salvador Dali moustache is sometimes included in Habenaria.
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Spathoglottis ixiodes a nice plant received from a fellow forum member
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I have been sent some tubers of Pterostylis curta. How do I grow 'em?
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I have been sent some tubers of Pterostylis curta. How do I grow 'em?
Quite a number of forumists grow these so I hope advice will be forthcoming .
From previous forum posts I gather they do best with protection form frost - coping with a light frost only. And can make tubers the size of cherries when well-grown.
" Mine are grown in the conservatory as they need protection below -5 deg C. The medium mine are in now which they seem happy in and multiply well is a mixture of perlite, coarse peat and bark fines. They need to be kept moist during the winter months when sprouting and watered freely when in flower. An occasional liquid feed at half strength is beneficial and increases offsets. Reduce watering as the flowers and leaves wither in mid summer and leave completely dry when dormant."
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=2390.msg62222#msg62222 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=2390.msg62222#msg62222)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3738.msg98367#msg98367 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3738.msg98367#msg98367)
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Thanks Maggi.
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Not much more can be added to what Maggie has already culled from the previous posts. They offset quite readily and should fill a pot quickly. Mine are just coming into flower down here and the only pest problem I have is browsing by wallabies.
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My Greek friends have published her ATLAS of the Greek Orchids:
http://www.mediterraneo.gr/Product.aspx?ProductName=ATLAS_of_the_Greek_Orchids__VOL_I___VOL_II&ProductID=238 (http://www.mediterraneo.gr/Product.aspx?ProductName=ATLAS_of_the_Greek_Orchids__VOL_I___VOL_II&ProductID=238)
I think it is very helpful for everybody who will travel to Greece because of orchids.
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a must have, i've begun to read the books last week and there's a lot of informations.
A shame it cost so much but i think it's a good Christmas gift for an orchid lover.;D
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My Greek friends have published her ATLAS of the Greek Orchids:
http://www.mediterraneo.gr/Product.aspx?ProductName=ATLAS_of_the_Greek_Orchids__VOL_I___VOL_II&ProductID=238 (http://www.mediterraneo.gr/Product.aspx?ProductName=ATLAS_of_the_Greek_Orchids__VOL_I___VOL_II&ProductID=238)
I think it is very helpful for everybody who will travel to Greece because of orchids.
Two volumes for the price, so not so expensive as one first thinks.
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It will take a while to go through all pictures taken in the Carpathian Mts. and others this summer, so I'll start with the easy part - late July and August is hardly a time for orchids except Gymnadenia conopsea, but there were two notables: my first encounter with Epipactis atrorubens - in Postavarul Massif (part of the Barsei Mts.) around 1700 m alt.
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Then, Coeloglossum viride, the frog orchid (I understand some give it as a Dactilorhiza now) found at above 2000 m alt. in Bucegi Mts. Not new but I never saw it so high up and even not a showy orchid, the place where it grew and its small size gave it a particular charm :)
On hummocks formed by Rhododendron myrtifolius, Dryas octopetala; nearby also Pinguicula alpina, Pulsatilla Soldanella pusilla, to mention just a few.
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great atrorubens colors, the plant has received a nice amount of sun 8)
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A promising start. Great pictures of the epipactis. Do we get more?
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A promising start. Great pictures of the epipactis. Do we get more?
There will be more pictures from the mountain but not of orchids Gerrit.
The region is not particularly rich on orchids (except Gymnadenia which can grow en masse) and it was too late in the season as well. In early July if lucky, you can find some Nigritellas, Traunsteinera and few others.
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Please, go on, orchids or not, it will be a pleasure, definately.
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Platanthera ciliaris -A couple of flower stems were blown over by strong winds, this one survived:
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I have long lost the label from this plant but I think it might be Pterostylis coccinea-what do you think?
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I think you're right. Certainly one of the more attractive members of the genus, and well captured.
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The last orchid to flower in my garden is as always Spiranthes cernua. Actually, they grow in the greenhouse, those in the garden are totally leveled out by slugs by now.
Anders
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I bought a Chadd's Ford recently after not growing it for many years. I forgot how scented it is. Guess it must be to attract some local bug somewhere.
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Patting myself on the back here but I have successfully germinated dactylorrhiza seed in vitro! I used a closed pod technique last August and today I checked the them and found tiny little (pinhead sized or smaller) protocorms. Closed pod technique involves sterilizing the unopened pod, opening it and sowing the seed. This avoids having to sterilize tiny little orchid seed which is not fun. This project wasn't a big stretch for me because a friend and I have been doing tissue culture of lilies and trilliums for a while. Anyway I'm thrilled to see these tiny babies.
For the media I used Malmgren Modified Terrestrial Orchid Media from Phytotek labs. I have a simple transfer box, no fancy laminar flow hood, with a glass front to work in. Here's the link to Malmgren's website on growing orchids from seed. http://www.lidaforsgarden.com/Orchids/engelsk.htm (http://www.lidaforsgarden.com/Orchids/engelsk.htm)
Now I'd love to get my hands on some hybrid pleione seed. I live in the US and you can pretty much count on one hand the number of available pleione cultivars. I see the pictures of Ian Butterfield's hybrid and start drooling. Phytos and CITES can be such a hinderance to the proper care and feeding of my plant addiction.
Jan
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Paphiopedilum armeniacum
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Very nice, Tony. What temps do you give it?
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Sits on an unheated bedroom windowsill. Probably about 15c in the winter
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I've to give the Guide des orchidées d'europe,afrique du nord et proche orient. Pierre Delforge, edition 1994, 480pp.
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Will be posted as letter 'cause under 3cm height
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Anacamptis syriaca is starting to flower, just in time for X-mas ;D
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A nice movie, in Turkish language, about orchids.
You'll also see Galanthus, Crocus, Colchicum and why cemeteries are the focus of orchid lovers.
http://www.trt.tv/izle/267436/ari-orkideleri-1-bolum?I=1 (http://www.trt.tv/izle/267436/ari-orkideleri-1-bolum?I=1)
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Thanks for that link - a most interesting film - come contrasts too between the native orchids and their exotic cousins. So many different pollinators. A lovely selection of habitat views and other species of lowers - all in all a most enjoyable film. Watch out for the louder sound range of the adverts which divied it in three - gives a bit of a shock first time! But one need not watch the adverts all through - and it is worth having the sound on even if one doesn't know any Turkish, because there are lots of birdsong and music to enjoy too.
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yes a shame about the adverts but hey that's tv ;D
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Not only adverts on TV now - the darn things are everywhere!