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Title: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Gerdk on October 01, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
This is Crocus serotinus from the southern tip of Spain

Gerd
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on October 01, 2016, 02:25:07 PM
Two photos from the AGS Loughborough Show today of a wonderful pot of Crocus vallicola grown by Alan Furness - which has won a deserved Farrer Medal

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Picture by Razvan Chisu

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Picture by Michael Myers - both pix  pinched from Facebook
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 01, 2016, 03:32:04 PM
Good grief !  :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on October 01, 2016, 03:32:43 PM
Good grief !  :o :o :o :o
I know!  Gorgeous, isn't it?
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Yann on October 01, 2016, 04:37:35 PM
after this vallicola coldron i hesitate to post some photos  ;D

It's still summer today with 23°c

Crocus kotschyanus kotschyanus
Crocus lycius
Crocus niveus
Crocus serotinus salzmannii
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Yann on October 01, 2016, 09:09:06 PM
Just after i've cleaned the greenhouse Crocus thomasii caught my eyes.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 03, 2016, 03:06:47 PM
After a lot of rain Sunday we have the sun on Monday. = good combination for new flowers

Crocus banaticus
Crocus bolensis
Crocus cambessedesii
Crocus kotschyanus HKEP 9317 - the best to me of all the kotsch. HKEP selections. Large flower and very good contrast
Crocus gilanicus with a unwanted visitor who is allready in Bug heaven RIP
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 03, 2016, 03:08:40 PM
Crocus vallicola - from 2 different collections.
The last is about 2cm higher than the other (grown next to eachother)
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 03, 2016, 04:36:39 PM
Hello, can you help me?
I do not know who they are.
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Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 03, 2016, 04:41:55 PM
I would go to speciosus Crocus 'Albus'.
What do you think ?
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on October 03, 2016, 07:02:44 PM
I would go to speciosus Crocus 'Albus'.
What do you think ?
No! speciosus albus has pointed flower segments and yellow anthers.
More resembles some hybrid with pulchellus.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 03, 2016, 07:20:10 PM
In my lists, I bought Crocus pulchellus 'Zephyr' last year.
Is it perhaps that one?
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 04, 2016, 11:44:47 AM
2 new ones to me

Crocus dispathaceus
Crocus lycius
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Yann on October 04, 2016, 10:02:46 PM
Crocus nudiflorus
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 05, 2016, 07:40:44 PM
Crocus gilanicus
Crocus salzmanii KPW 9422
Crocus salzmanii KPW 9425
Crocus speciosus - white seedling in the middle of a black ohniopogon
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Yann on October 05, 2016, 09:52:38 PM
another good batch of Crocus, you still have time to takes photos between 2 bottles and diapers ? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 06, 2016, 06:25:51 PM
LOL, next 2 my 2 children i need to find some time to work in the garden. But i never looked so clean this time of the year  :D

Crocus hadriaticus white form- pelop Greece. Collection from Hendrik van Bogaert
Crocus longiflorus 'Nebrodi' AH 9703
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 07, 2016, 06:46:49 PM
Very happy with this Crocus - Crocus hellenicus (speciosus group).

Grows only in 3 places in Greece- Ioannina, Vikos Canyon, and near Monodendri.


Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 07, 2016, 07:27:49 PM
It looks very nice indeed.

I have often been in this area but I have never heard anything about this species.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 07, 2016, 09:00:26 PM
Its newly described in 2013 by Janis Ruksans in the paper 'Seven New crocuses from the Balkans and Turkey' published by the alpine garden society.

If you type it in google you will find it
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 08, 2016, 09:18:59 PM
Thanks, I have must have overlooked it or simply forgotten.

I hope I can take some pictures tomorrow as some species are now out, waiting for the sun to open the flowers.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 09, 2016, 02:42:43 PM
Sunny weather without any wind --> nany crocusses to open

Crocus banaticus
Crocus boryi x tournefortii
Crocus hellenicus
Crocus kotschyanus ssp. leucopharynckx
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 09, 2016, 02:43:35 PM
Crocus laevigatus AH 0153
Crocus niveus
Crocus pulchellus
Crocus salzmanii KPW 9425
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 09, 2016, 02:44:40 PM
4x speciosus

901-6
'Aino'
'Artabir'
Oxonian'
ssp; ilgazensis
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on October 09, 2016, 04:36:58 PM
Sunshine and crocus - is there anything else needed to make time in the garden perfect?
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 10, 2016, 09:08:35 AM
Correct and I was so happy that it was out yesterday to take pictures in the garden.

I love Crocus banaticus and the seedlings seen on the second and third pictures flowered for the first time this year.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 10, 2016, 09:13:48 AM
Also one of my favorites is C. cambessedesii, that started yesterday.

Crocus mathewi is seed raised with at least one albus. It flowers for the second time, but last year just one plant.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 10, 2016, 09:21:43 AM
Crocus speciosus loves our garden soil and it has spread out everywhere since years. When I started with Crocus about 20 years ago I planted different species in the meadow but all vanished besides Crocus speciosus or all have been misnamed Crocus speciosus from our garden Centers.

The other three species origin all from Greece and are the first to come into flower yesterday.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 10, 2016, 09:27:05 AM
I must have lost a Crocus bulb during repotting two years ago and discovered it yesterday in the meadow. I think it is Crocus oreocreticus.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: olegKon on October 10, 2016, 03:04:58 PM
Thanks for showing some beautiful crocuses, Ruben and Sokol.
A couple from my garden, nothing very special but they brighten somewhat gloomy autumn here
1. Crocus speciosus ( received as "Bowles")
2. Crocus speciosus
3. Crocus kotschyanus (nearly white)
4. usual Crocus kotschyanus
5. Crocus kotschyanus leukopharynx
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: olegKon on October 10, 2016, 03:06:15 PM
Sorry, everything is upside down for I don't know what reason
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on October 10, 2016, 03:47:23 PM
The thumbnails are upside down  but the full pictures open the right way up when I click on them, Oleg.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: olegKon on October 10, 2016, 04:22:25 PM
Thanks, Maggi. You are our hero
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Gerdk on October 10, 2016, 04:29:30 PM
This is Crocus nudiflorus - until now not hit by wind or rain

Gerd
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: tonyg on October 10, 2016, 09:25:26 PM
I must have lost a Crocus bulb during repotting two years ago and discovered it yesterday in the meadow. I think it is Crocus oreocreticus.
Maybe it is Crocus longiflorus?  Looks quite like it and this one has grown outside for me while Crocus oreocreticus is less successful outside.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 11, 2016, 05:44:53 PM
Crocus pulchellus 'Zephir' est en fleurs au jardin et dans la maison de verre.
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Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer' aussi. Il a bien profité. L'année passée il n'y avait qu'un corme. Cette année ils sont trois et fleurissent tous.
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Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 11, 2016, 05:53:49 PM
Crocus speciosus 'Albus
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Crocus speciosus 'Cassiope''
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Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 11, 2016, 07:08:08 PM
Very nice pictures everybody!

A lot of rain yesterday and a lot of sun today = the perfect mix for a lot of new crocusflowers  ;)

Crocus goulimyi MELP 59059
Crocus hadriaticus
Crocus pulchellus 'Zephyr'
Crocus salzmanii 'El Torcal'
Crocusframe... more and more flowers
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Yann on October 11, 2016, 07:20:28 PM
the bottom of frame is also isolated?
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 11, 2016, 07:25:40 PM
Maybe it is Crocus longiflorus?  Looks quite like it and this one has grown outside for me while Crocus oreocreticus is less successful outside.

I am not quite sure whether it is C. longiflorus. I will compare it with both, when they are in flower. The bulb sits in the warmest part of my garden (SW-corner), less than half a meter away from the house.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 11, 2016, 07:33:01 PM
Yann, no only the sides of the frame are isolated. But they are 7cm fat and are going 50cm deep! But if it freezes to hard i protect with bubble plastic and more...
So far no problems yet
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Yann on October 11, 2016, 07:56:37 PM
it should stand the now usual mediterranean climate of our regions  ;D ;D ;
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Boyed on October 11, 2016, 10:18:47 PM
A question to experienced crocus growers. This year a strange deformed white small sample appeared among my crocus speciosus 'Oxonian'. I have never experienced such thing before. I wonder if it can be caused by virus. Maybe Janis can give a professional advise.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 12, 2016, 02:41:14 AM
Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer' aussi. Il a bien profité. L'année passée il n'y avait qu'un corme. Cette année ils sont trois et fleurissent tous.

Voilà un bon taux d'augmentation!
cordialement
fermi

Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Michael J Campbell on October 12, 2016, 11:57:23 AM
Crocus mathewii.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 12, 2016, 12:43:26 PM
Oui, il a bien augmenté.
Mon Crocus mathewii va aussi être en fleurs
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 12, 2016, 12:57:03 PM
Why in French?
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 12, 2016, 03:04:16 PM
C'est moi qui écrit en français? Problème de traducteur?
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 12, 2016, 03:19:44 PM
Oui, il a bien augmenté.
Mon Crocus mathewii va aussi être en fleurs

Yes it grew Well. My Crocus mathewii will also soon be in bloom.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 12, 2016, 03:20:41 PM
Sorry  ;D
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 13, 2016, 12:35:56 PM
Crocus puringhiorum- the biggest crocusflower i have ever seen
Crocus pulchellus 'Zephyr'
Crocus hadriaticus
Crocus cambessedesii
Crocus speciosus 'Artabir'
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 13, 2016, 12:36:45 PM
Crocus salzmanii KPW 9425
Crocus speciosus xantholaimos
Crocus thomasii
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Maggi Young on October 13, 2016, 01:32:20 PM
Just thinking how good your crocus look against that pale grit, Ruben.  So smart and clean to show off the flowers.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ebbie on October 13, 2016, 03:16:10 PM
Crocus tournefortii (?)
(http://up.picr.de/27113752jw.jpg)

Crocus mathewii
(http://up.picr.de/27113751tp.jpg)
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 13, 2016, 08:13:34 PM
It looks like C. tournefortii, ebbie. Great pictures. Mine are not so advanced but I see that they are coming out.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 14, 2016, 05:20:55 AM
Yesterday sun again after some grey days and the next Crocus came into Bloom.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: YT on October 14, 2016, 10:13:57 AM
Crocus hadriaticus: JJA 345.620. No data. (From various forms from S Greece.)
Crocus season is just coming here :)
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: YT on October 14, 2016, 10:19:49 AM
Crocus tournefortii (?)
Crocus mathewii

Both are well grown pots but C. mathewii is outstanding, ebbie :D

Yesterday sun again after some grey days and the next Crocus came into Bloom.

Nice collection, sokol :)
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 14, 2016, 10:43:33 AM
Nice pics Ebbie, YT and Stefan!!

Yt, can i ask what you're sources are for crocus seeds? I'm very interested :-d
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: YT on October 14, 2016, 11:44:39 AM
Yt, can i ask what you're sources are for crocus seeds? I'm very interested :-d

Hello, ruben :) My crocus seeds source was only JJA Seeds. After JJA closed, I now get crocus seeds from Kurt and SRGC SeedEx ;) Unfortunately we don't have any good seed sources in Japan :(
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 14, 2016, 11:46:44 AM
I have got Crocus seed from some general seed exchanges, from V. Pilous and from nature when looking for flowers in spring.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 14, 2016, 05:50:42 PM
Superb!

Some crocusses of today

Crocus nerimaniae
Crocus pulchellus 'Michael Hoog'
Crocus armeniacum
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Yann on October 14, 2016, 06:06:13 PM
again a nice collection.
No time to check in the greenhouse....
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 14, 2016, 06:56:34 PM
Ruben, Crocus nerimaniae is really stunning. I like these Crocus with black anthers.
Crocus armeniacum seems to be close to C. speciosus?
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 14, 2016, 08:32:41 PM
Thx Yann!

Stefan, nerimaniae is also on of my favorites. Yes Crocus with black anthers, stunning!
Armeniacum is close related with speciosus group. Its a new named species from Janis.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ebbie on October 15, 2016, 11:41:07 AM
I agree also. Crocus nerimaniae is really exceptional and beautiful.

Fine crocusses can be seen here.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Yann on October 15, 2016, 02:26:58 PM
Crocus oreocreticus with a yellow host  :D
Crocus wattiorum, one of my favorite autumn crocus
Crocus lycius
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 15, 2016, 04:48:26 PM
Verry beautiful  Yann.
Here are two Crocus which are open to the garden as soon as the sun appeared. It rained all last night until mid-morning.
Correct me if not just please. Crocus speciosus would be the first.
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The second Crocus ligustus.

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Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 15, 2016, 05:00:21 PM
The saffron harvest season begins at home with the first flower of Crocus sativus that shows its face.

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Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on October 15, 2016, 07:14:59 PM
After long interruption nice sunny day with autumn crocuses in fill bloom, so I turned to nursery to make some pictures between work on computer checking for mistakes in my new Crocus book, repotting and replacing the pots to new place near home. If God wants to punish someone - he arranges replacing...  Every day around 100 pots goes to my new place, but this autumn I still want to replace at least 3000 pots to arrange next years Crocus Festival at new spot (mid March).

But now to plants.
The first 2 pictures are Crocus nerimaniae from 2nd generation. First autumn when they all are virus-free. In wild almost all are infected. It took 2 generations from resawing to clean stock.
Crocus banaticus from Mukachevo, W Ukraine - collected in spring 2015 - spotted early morning in beech forest by Dima Zubov.
The best form of Crocus mathewii 'Brian Mathew'
Crocus melantherus stippled form
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Janis Ruksans on October 15, 2016, 07:22:27 PM
Few more pictures
Crocus robertianus 'Tricolor'
Crocus tournefortii from Rhodos Island
On Chios Island grows beautiful form of Crocus pallasii s.l (different from true pallasii described from Crimea). Another beauty growth near Labranda in SW Turkey. I pollinated Labranda plants with 'Homeri' pollend. Pollination was succesfull and here are the first flowers of this cross.
The next picture are seedlings from selfed 'Homeri'.
And the last picture - bed with autumn crocuses today in afternoon.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Gail on October 15, 2016, 07:36:50 PM
Wonderful images Janis - particularly love the very elegant Crocus melantherus stippled form
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 15, 2016, 08:41:54 PM
I fully agree, I haven't seen such nice melantherus before.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 15, 2016, 08:44:08 PM
Very nice crocus wattiorum Yann! Its one of the only ones i never get in to flower :-(

Stunning pictures Janis! Happy you found some time to post some pictures of you're superb collection! Very good stippled melantherus and stunning robertianus 'tricolor'
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Yann on October 16, 2016, 11:07:35 AM
Ruben to make it bloom it need a very warm and dry summer. I let the pot underglass without shading during the july/august period and then place the pot under tables to drop temperature a bit. wattiorium is the first i water once end of august.
I've made several trails before it works, always learning with plants.

I don't remember if these STAPFIA reports were already linked in this forum

http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/LBB_0038_1_0165-0187.pdf (http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/LBB_0038_1_0165-0187.pdf)
http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/STAPFIA_0099_0159-0186.pdf (http://www.zobodat.at/pdf/STAPFIA_0099_0159-0186.pdf)
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: tonyg on October 16, 2016, 06:43:44 PM
And the last picture - bed with autumn crocuses today in afternoon.
WOW ... is not a good enough word for this  ;D
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: tonyg on October 16, 2016, 06:47:51 PM
October is Crocus month here in Norfolk UK  :)

My favourite is Crocus tournefortii.  Wonderful colour and super size and shape ... and a good doer outside here for many years.

Last pic shows also Crocus boryi and a vigorous white hybrid of the two species.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: tonyg on October 16, 2016, 06:50:28 PM
Crocus niveus - another long term success in the garden.  I am very pleased with the display from Cyclamen graecum, long established in this raised bed.  The covers came off a few years ago but the graecum keeps on flowering  :)
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: tonyg on October 16, 2016, 06:54:10 PM
Crocus goulimyi - super vigorous under glass.
Crocus pulchellus - also does great in the garden
Crocus mystery.  Came as Crocus hadriaticus parnonicus but appears a hybrid.  Looks rather like Crocus mathewii at first sight but just as likely it is a hybrid with crocus cartwrightianus.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 16, 2016, 08:20:06 PM
Thx for info Yann!

Superb pictures Tony!

Here 20 degrees and a lot of sun. The crocusses and gardener enjoyed it :-d

Crocus nudiflorus 'Orla' - crocus nudiflorus - Crocus kotschyanus
Crocus hadriaticus
Crocus speciosus 'Aitchinsonii'
Crocus mathewii
Crocus ilgazensis x pulchellus 'Fantasy'
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 16, 2016, 08:21:41 PM
Crocus caspius
Crocus clusii
Crocus hadriaticus bluish form
Crocus archibaldiorum
Crocus salzmanii KPW 9422
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 16, 2016, 09:08:13 PM
Great pictures Ruben and Tony. With me in SE-Germany some of the species are not out like cartwrightianus, goulimy or tournefortii. I can see only the tips of the flowers a bit.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Steve Garvie on October 16, 2016, 09:58:04 PM
Some Crocus in flower here.
Unfortunately others have already come & gone when my back was turned!

Crocus gilanicus
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8130/30283373881_83f3d34dd6_o.jpg)

Crocus nudiflorus
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5700/30334269056_7b1ef68309_o.jpg)

Crocus laevigatus SBL 348 ex Crete
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5661/30334271826_6cbaa0e896_o.jpg)

Crocus pamphylicus
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8584/30369416015_a3d533232d_o.jpg)

Crocus pallasii ssp. pallasii -a form from Crimea
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5723/30369415475_518c43912d_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 17, 2016, 05:42:56 AM
I like C. gilanicus with its descrete stripes. Mine are flowering this year over a long period.

I also have this dwarf Crocus laevigatus from Crete.
Crocus mazziaricus from Evia is my biggest flowered form of this species.
Crocus oreocreticus was just a single bulb a few years ago, the rest of the package was Crocus hadriaticus as you confirmed recently.
Crocus robertianus were two corms two years ago, now seven flowering plants.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: johnw on October 17, 2016, 01:44:39 PM
Crocus nudiflorus here yesterday.


johnw
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 17, 2016, 06:58:52 PM
Stunning pictures Steve!

Crocus robertianus is one i don't grow yet stefan! Is it very variable?

Crocus goulimyi bicolored form
Crocus pulchellus 'Michael hoog'
Crocus puringhiorum- is becoming a favorite
Crocus cart. 'Michel'
Crocus cart. 'Marcel'
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 17, 2016, 07:39:07 PM
Stunning pictures Steve!

Crocus robertianus is one i don't grow yet stefan! Is it very variable?


That is exactly what I have forgotten to say, stunning!

I have bought only these two bulbs of Crocus robertianus and they are nearly identical. I have not more experience with this species.

Is Crocus puringhiorum as easy as Crocus speciosus?
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 17, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
ok Thx!

Puringhiorum is out of the speciosus family and is as easy as 'normal' speciosus.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: YT on October 18, 2016, 03:55:48 AM
Crocus cancellatus subsp. mazziaricus, JJA342.009
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Cfred72 on October 18, 2016, 04:06:25 PM
to do like everyone else, I also Crocus mathewii. 
he was a bulb last year, they are two this year.
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can it be propagated by seed if we pass the brush on the anthers and stigma? I did also in the Crocus mathewii "Dream Dancer".
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Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Yann on October 18, 2016, 10:36:04 PM
Steve the gilanus is nice, mine refuse to open this year....
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Tony Willis on October 19, 2016, 03:25:46 PM
Crocus biflorus melantherus. The first from Ian McEnery and the second from The Crocus Group. First closed and then open to show the dark anthers
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 20, 2016, 11:56:07 AM
Very nice Tony! Bif. melantherus is one of my favorites!

Rainy day with many clouds today but some pictures

Crocus goulimyi MELJ 59059
Crocus goulimyi ssp. leucanthus
Crocus tournefortii
Crocus cancellatus ssp; lycius
Crocus caspius - i love the stippled greyish outers
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 20, 2016, 08:08:59 PM
Nice pictures ruben. We are a little bit behind you and there were no open flowers today. The first flower of Crocus tournefortii was destroyed by the rain.
Your Crocus caspius is much more attractive than mine.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 22, 2016, 03:00:41 PM
What a wealth of extraordinary Crocuses folks !!  I also have some to share.

First some goodies from Melvyn J. :

Crocus goulimyi - Agia Sofia - coll. MELJ 9562 -  quite special.

Cocus goulimyi MELJ 95059 - great selection
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on October 22, 2016, 03:05:35 PM
Crocus karduchorum from S-E Turqey... makes a very special appearance  :D

Crocus (serotinus) clusii
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 22, 2016, 05:58:24 PM
Great to see you're wonderful Crocusses here also Luc!

Crocus nerimaniae
Crocus tournefortii
Crocus asumaniae
Crocus hadriaticus
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 22, 2016, 05:59:39 PM
the bulbframe
Crocus cancellatus ssp. mazziaricus from german Croconut Thomas Huber
Crocus ligusticus TCH 15 from Thomas Huber
Crocus cartwrightianus albus 
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 22, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
Crocus hadriaticus with yellow blush
Crocus hadriaticus
Crocus frame in and outside
Crocus armeniacum 'Cloudy Sky' from Zhirair B.
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 22, 2016, 06:18:23 PM
My compliments to you all, Gentlemen, for such beautiful Crocus images.  8) 8)
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Post by: Yann on October 22, 2016, 08:00:05 PM
another form of niveus, a giant one.
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Post by: sokol on October 22, 2016, 08:42:04 PM
Nice pictures Luc, especially the sequence of Crocus karduchorum. I have never had any flower of this species despite having two big pots full of corms.

Also nice pictures Ruben I am still hooked of Crocus nerimaniae.

This Crocus niveus form looks very intersting. Mine are only white.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 22, 2016, 08:52:19 PM
Here also some sun today and some more species have come into flower. Crocus laevigatus from Eretria (Evia, GR) is flowering for the first time from self collected seed.
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Post by: Yann on October 22, 2016, 11:04:47 PM
wonderful colors  :P
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Post by: sokol on October 23, 2016, 08:41:17 PM
Just some new pictures from today. Crocus pallasii from Samos has very short filaments. So is it really this species?
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Post by: Cfred72 on October 24, 2016, 06:57:47 AM
The fourth is superb.
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 24, 2016, 01:42:46 PM
Some great crocus  - and many other fab plants too, of course - at the Kent Alpine show of the AGS in Sutton Valence School last weekeind - here is Don Peace's photo from Twitter of Alan Furness with his Farrer Medal Winning plant, Crocus banaticus 'Snowdrift' - really nice to see crocus winning!
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Post by: sokol on October 24, 2016, 08:44:53 PM
What a great pot.

I have many Crocus speciosus in my lawn or meadow and they are spreading everywhere. Unfortunately also bulbs and seed received as other species have turned out to be Crocus speciosus.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Diane Whitehead on October 25, 2016, 03:58:38 AM
Nice pictures Luc, especially the sequence of Crocus karduchorum.

That flower is absolutely determined to get pollinated.  I've never seen such a brazen crocus before.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Thomas Huber on October 25, 2016, 08:35:11 AM
I have many Crocus speciosus in my lawn or meadow and they are spreading everywhere. Unfortunately also bulbs and seed received as other species have turned out to be Crocus speciosus.

Morning Sokol, unfortunately it often happens that you get C. speciosus instead of your ordered species, but it depends on the source from which you got your plants..... gardencenters often contain wrong corms and also wholesale dealers are no more reliable, but there are still many small, private dealers from which you can buy good and true plants.

Re C. karduchorum: Most plants in trade are not flowering, and if flowering not true but C. kotschyanus leucopharynx... this mistake is known for decades, but still valid. The true karduchorum is a very rare plant and only available from special dealers or from seed exchanges.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Thomas Huber on October 25, 2016, 08:48:38 AM
Some photos from my garden in the last days:
068 - My bulblawn in the late sun
079 - Crocus speciosus Albus + Artabir looking great together
076 - C. speciosus in my lawn
009 - My favourite speciosus: An unnamed small and dark flower with a very strong stem. Could be the original plant of speciosus 'Aino'....
039 - Crocus mazziaricus from the Peloponnese
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Post by: Thomas Huber on October 25, 2016, 08:51:11 AM
Some more impressions from my crocuslawn
Crocus cambessedesii from Mallorca
Crocus tournefortii from Greece
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Post by: Thomas Huber on October 25, 2016, 08:53:31 AM
... and another favourite of mine: Crocus ligusticus from Liguria/Italy
The white one took me 9 years of hard search.....
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Post by: ruben on October 25, 2016, 09:00:34 AM
Superb crocusses Thomas!

I really love cambessedesii and the white ligusticus! Well done!
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Post by: Yann on October 25, 2016, 07:12:08 PM
yep what a carpet 8) in the darkness of the evening, the deep yellow of this niveus late form.
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Post by: ruben on October 25, 2016, 07:17:14 PM
Nice Yann

Crocus armeniacum
Crocus ibrahimii
Crocus niveus large form MELJ 1109
Crocus ligustivus TCH 15- Crocus puringiorum
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 25, 2016, 07:18:03 PM
Crocus mathewii
Crocus ochroleucus
Crocusframe
Crocusframe
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Post by: Yann on October 25, 2016, 07:57:30 PM
mathewii bouquet  :o
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Post by: David Nicholson on October 25, 2016, 08:34:25 PM
Just a couple from the greenhouse today:-

Crocus goulimyi
and from Crocus Group 2012 seed sown October 2012 and flowering for the first time C. vernus, or is it?? Should it be this early?
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: sokol on October 25, 2016, 09:16:28 PM
Morning Sokol, unfortunately it often happens that you get C. speciosus instead of your ordered species, but it depends on the source from which you got your plants..... gardencenters often contain wrong corms and also wholesale dealers are no more reliable, but there are still many small, private dealers from which you can buy good and true plants.

Re C. karduchorum: Most plants in trade are not flowering, and if flowering not true but C. kotschyanus leucopharynx... this mistake is known for decades, but still valid. The true karduchorum is a very rare plant and only available from special dealers or from seed exchanges.

Thnx Thomas for your explanations. Yes, I bought my Crocus in gardencenters, when I started to grow autumn crocus.
Wonderful pictures and it looks if they are growing completely outside.
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Post by: sokol on October 25, 2016, 09:17:23 PM
Just a couple from the greenhouse today:-

Crocus goulimyi
and from Crocus Group 2012 seed sown October 2012 and flowering for the first time C. vernus, or is it?? Should it be this early?

David, this can't be Crocus vernus. It is the wrong time and it looks like Crocus speciosus.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: Thomas Huber on October 26, 2016, 07:23:53 AM
...and from Crocus Group 2012 seed sown October 2012 and flowering for the first time C. vernus, or is it?? Should it be this early?

Hi David, surely not vernus. I see a yellow throat and guess it has white anthers which would make it to Crocus pulchellus.

Sokol, all my plants are growing in the open garden
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Post by: Janis Ruksans on October 26, 2016, 06:35:12 PM
If God want to punish someone, he applies replacing anathema...  I'm now replacing all my Crocus pots (more than 3000) from my former nursery to my living place. Every day I'm making three tours with my car (both ways together 35 km) in each tour mowing 50-60 pots and this week hope to finish with spring bloomers. Today I replaced Cretan C. sieberi between others and found nice surprise. This spring I visited Crete to make pictures of C. sieberi in situ. Few years ago I was there too early and all mountains were under deep snow. Now I was there too late and most sieberi finished blooming. By the way up on Omalos I collected some crocuses in leaves supposing them all as C. sieberi. I was so self-confident about name that I gave no attention to corm tunics, took corms inside peace of soil. Now I found that there are few flowers in pots with label "16GRS-... C. sieberi, Omalos". It turned that by the way I collected few of C. pumilus - perfectly matching dimensions separating it from C. laevigatus, so confirming, that I was right separating it as new species.
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Post by: Janis Ruksans on October 26, 2016, 06:47:53 PM
Those two are pictures of C. pumilus from my coming book. The first was collected in some distance from Omalos at my first visit there when mountain tops with C. sieberi was under deep snow. The second was collected on Mt. Vouvala and I got it after wish of Jim Archibald.

I use occasion to inform that every day are coming some pre-orders for my book and donations. Unfortunately sometimes is not mentioned the name of customer and his/her address (today I got one such from USA). Please always send me e-mail about your money transfer for I can registrate your payment and to send you ordered book!
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on October 26, 2016, 06:48:57 PM
Thanks sokol and Thomas, anthers look yellow/orange to me, does that make it speciosus? Well, they do all look the same, or is that Snowdrops? ;D
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Post by: Cfred72 on October 26, 2016, 06:53:56 PM
1) and 2) Crocus sativus

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3), 4) Crocus ochroleucus

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Post by: Cfred72 on October 26, 2016, 06:56:25 PM
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C ochroleucus

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Post by: Janis Ruksans on October 26, 2016, 06:58:11 PM
This spring on way back from high altitudes at Omalos we found small depression where more snow was accumulated and there still few C. sieberi were blooming. So I attache here those pictures although they are out of season.
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Post by: Cfred72 on October 26, 2016, 07:05:14 PM
Crocus asumaniae
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Post by: Cfred72 on October 26, 2016, 07:06:06 PM
Crocus ligusticus

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Post by: Cfred72 on October 26, 2016, 07:07:32 PM
Crocus speciosus 'Conqueror'

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Post by: Gail on October 26, 2016, 07:08:21 PM
This spring on way back from high altitudes at Omalos we found small depression where more snow was accumulated and there still few C. sieberi were blooming. So I attache here those pictures although they are out of season.
Beautiful markings on that first one. Thanks for posting.
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Post by: sokol on October 26, 2016, 08:27:25 PM
Those two are pictures of C. pumilus from my coming book. The first was collected in some distance from Omalos at my first visit there when mountain tops with C. sieberi was under deep snow. The second was collected on Mt. Vouvala and I got it after wish of Jim Archibald.

Janis, Crocus pumilus from Vouvala looks a bit strange because of the long stamens. Is it the only plant with this character or are all like this?
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Post by: sokol on October 26, 2016, 08:29:14 PM
This spring on way back from high altitudes at Omalos we found small depression where more snow was accumulated and there still few C. sieberi were blooming. So I attache here those pictures although they are out of season.

Beautiful markings, mine from Crete are all quite simple.
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Post by: sokol on October 26, 2016, 08:39:36 PM
Thanks sokol and Thomas, anthers look yellow/orange to me, does that make it speciosus? Well, they do all look the same, or is that Snowdrops? ;D

Yes it does, David. The stripes that can be seen from outside are typical for both, C. speciosus and C. pulchellus, with the  colour of the stamens you can easily seperate them.
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Post by: johnw on October 26, 2016, 09:06:17 PM
Crocus tournefortii today.


johnw
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Post by: Janis Ruksans on October 27, 2016, 05:18:52 AM
Janis, Crocus pumilus from Vouvala looks a bit strange because of the long stamens. Is it the only plant with this character or are all like this?
There are quite great variability, but they are normal plants. Picture included for its very beautiful stigma, but it is only seasonal variation not repeated in another year.
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Post by: Armin on October 28, 2016, 08:17:37 PM
Firstly, great stuff from everybody, very adorable :P

My modest contribution - a few images from my lawn.
All crocus are survivors of (my) desaster from Feb. 2012.
2 weeks of black frosts up to -18°C in the nights w/o snow cover killed 90%+ of my crocus collection.
It took 4 years of recovery...(only leaves in spring)
All grow in heavy loam at the bottom of my raised beds and get some protection from a larger hazelnut scrub.

Most survivors are obviously hybrids of C. pulchellus 'Zephyr' with C. speciosus. A few smaller ones look like cultivar 'Zephyr' and a few like C. speciosus of commerce. Many are as large as C. speciosus but all have withish to white anthers.

Glad to know all are fertile and produced good pollen this year. I have pollinated them with a fine brush.
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Post by: Diane Whitehead on October 29, 2016, 03:31:03 AM
I've enjoyed all the pictures.  I was going to add to them - yesterday I had two species
in bloom but when I went to photograph them today - none.  There was one bloom left
with small bits of mauve showing what had been there.  All the other flowers were
totally eaten.  Deer, I guess.  They don't like to get their noses in the dirt, but these
crocuses were in a raised bed - almost nose height.
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: ruben on October 29, 2016, 04:51:45 PM
The sun is back - and the crocusses opened  :D

Crocus speciosus albus
Crocus ligusticus 'Millesimo'
Crocus mathewii
Crocus goulimyi
Crocus cartwrightianus CEH 613
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Post by: ruben on October 29, 2016, 04:54:09 PM
Crocus biflorus ssp; melantherus stippled form
Crocus biflorus ssp. melantherus  x2
Crocus aff. kotschyanus - from Dirk Schnabel- much mater flowering - probably new species
Crocus oreocreticus
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Post by: ruben on October 29, 2016, 04:55:07 PM
Crocus archibaldiorum
Crocus hadriaticus brown keeled form
Crocus laevigatus SBL 346
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Post by: sokol on October 31, 2016, 05:48:45 AM
Nice pictures again, Ruben. Crocus melantherus is not out here. Crocus aff. kotschyanus is interesting with the later flowering time. Here are all gone. On the other hand some species like Crocus laevigatus are flowering over a long period.

Some pictures from yesterday. First two flowering plants of Crocus tournefortii from Siros (Cyclades).
Title: Re: Crocus October 2016
Post by: David Nicholson on October 31, 2016, 04:26:09 PM
From 2011 Crocus Group seed, sown September 2011, Crocus laevigatus.
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Post by: Cfred72 on October 31, 2016, 04:39:53 PM
Very nice photo of Crocus laevigatus
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Post by: ruben on October 31, 2016, 05:14:10 PM
the tournefortii ex siros is really stunning! I love the colouring on the outers. Can you make picture of flower closed?
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Post by: sokol on October 31, 2016, 09:01:18 PM
Yes of course. I will take it tomorrow. You can see it a bit better from this picture taken today.
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 15, 2018, 07:20:50 PM
Nice Yann
Crocus armeniacum


This crocus now known as Crocus armeniensis

 Note from Janis Ruksans :  At first I named it as armeniacum and still on my picture files they has such label, but ending was incorrect assording Latin grammar, so it weas changed. Thanks to Rafael Govaert (Kew) who corrected my mistake.
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