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Specific Families and Genera => Primula => Topic started by: Mark Griffiths on January 02, 2016, 03:33:05 PM
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The new year usually kicks off for me with this Primula allionii Elizabeth Burrow. So far no sign of buds on any other clones - which is probably a good thing.
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Apart from the couple of very early ones I posted in December (or was it November?) only buds on mine I think. Sine we haven't had a dry day in the whole of December and January has started in the same vane work in the greenhouse has been spasmodic to say the least. Yes Mark the plants would be far better for a good frosting, much better for them than this miserable wt and warm stuff.
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This is a bit early - P. allionii 'Joan Hughes'
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P. allionii seedling - one of Brian Burrows many discards.
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This is a bit early - P. allionii 'Joan Hughes'
I posted it in early March last year Steve. Nice couple there. Not only has it been a difficult year for the plants but even more difficult for the gardener, I don't expect a great deal from mine this year.
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Primulas really do say "spring" - full of hope!
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I posted it in early March last year Steve. Nice couple there. Not only has it been a difficult year for the plants but even more difficult for the gardener, I don't expect a great deal from mine this year.
Agreed, it's been yet another strange season...
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A very nice seedling of Primula Wharfedale Super...
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Hello Martijn - that's a good big flower. Did you raise it yourself?
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Hello Maggy,
Unfortunately not, I received it from Gert Stopp. Is is a very nice one. I raised some nice hybrids, will post them the next weeks!
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Gerd Stopp has many good plants! It will be great to see more from you Martijn
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Primula allionii Cherry. It really is a sort of cherry pink.
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Primula "Tantallon"
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1508/24104451194_902febe132_o.jpg)
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This is a bit early - P. allionii 'Joan Hughes'
Hi Steve
Primula joan hughes is actually a hybrid and not pure allionii. Nevertheless your plant is a fine example and judging by the picture is not full of virus as many are, only producing small distorted streaked flowers. I guess you may have got it from Brian who's stock has always been virus free. Look after it . Great plant.
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Primula joan hughes is actually a hybrid and not pure allionii............
the product of a cross between P. allionii and P. 'Linda Pope' (itself a P. marginata hybrid) originally raised by Jack Drake.
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Fantastic photo, Steve. The colors glow.
...Claire
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Primula "Tantallon"
Very tantalizing Steve :)
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Hi Steve
Primula joan hughes is actually a hybrid and not pure allionii. Nevertheless your plant is a fine example and judging by the picture is not full of virus as many are, only producing small distorted streaked flowers. I guess you may have got it from Brian who's stock has always been virus free. Look after it . Great plant.
Hi Pat - thanks for the additional info, I thought it was a hybrid, just sloppy with my naming! It was actually a kind gift from Geoff Rollinson a couple of years ago but I suspect you're right, plant material may originally have come from Brian. I know Geoff has grown on and subsequently shown a number of Brian's primula hybrids.
See you at the Cyclamen Show on Saturday? This weird weather has been playing havoc with flowering times. At this rate everything will be over before the end of the month!
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Hi Steve
Yes I will be at the cyclamen show but not exhibiting. As the main interest at this show is coum and alpinum which I call the ugly sisters and have little interest in growing I will just bring some stuff to sell.
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See you at the Cyclamen Show on Saturday SUNDAY ? This weird weather has been playing havoc with flowering times. At this rate everything will be over before the end of the month!
I know that sometimes the Cyclamen Society events are members only, but I do not understand why more effort is not being made to advertise them and drum up members :-\
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I know that sometimes the Cyclamen Society events are members only, but I do not understand why more effort is not being made to advertise them and drum up members :-\
don't you mean a RHS event which CS members can attend....
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Yes, Graeme - it's so confusing because of need to be RHS members to gain access.... it is open to anyone who is an RHS member OR who has paid entrance to Wisley. The show is on Sunday 7th February.
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Yes, Graeme - it's so confusing because of need to be RHS members to gain access.... it is open to anyone who is an RHS member OR who has paid entrance to Wisley. The show is on Sunday 7th February.
hmm let me think £47 to RHS or £47 extra to spend at Loughborough - only thing I would like to buy is a Coun Porcelain from Green Ice - add travel to Wisley and it makes it nearly as expensive as some of the snowdrops I have seen............
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hmm let me think £47 to RHS or £47 extra to spend at Loughborough - only thing I would like to buy is a Coun Porcelain from Green Ice - add travel to Wisley and it makes it nearly as expensive as some of the snowdrops I have seen............
Hi Graeme
I have a spare porcelain you can have for nought. Let me have your address and I will post it to you when it goes dormant no problem.
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hmm let me think £47 to RHS or £47 extra to spend at Loughborough - only thing I would like to buy is a Coun Porcelain from Green Ice - add travel to Wisley and it makes it nearly as expensive as some of the snowdrops I have seen............
To be fair (!!!) entry to Wisley for one day for non -members is £13 - which is more than I could or would pay.
When I was a full-time Carer for my Father that was more than one third of the Carers' Allowance for a whole week! Times have changed, of course, now I think it's just about one quarter! :-\ :'(
(Edit: Carer's Allowance now is £62.10 per week - for a minimum of 35 hours care - but in many cases for 168 hours care per week.)
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Primula allionii plants start to flower:
Pr. all. Elke Weiss
Pr. all. Sandra
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Primula megaseifolia, flowering since the end of December
but now at its best
Gerd
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Well flowered plant, Gerd.
Nothing exciting flowering here but I picked up a few attractive primroses in Dobbies earlier this week.
Most of those for sale had oversized flowers in garish colours but one bench had plants with smaller flowers and paler colours. I picked four which caught my eye.
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Pr. all. Sandra
very nice ruweiss
Nothing exciting flowering here but I picked up a few attractive primroses in Dobbies earlier this week.
Most of those for sale had oversized flowers in garish colours but one bench had plants with smaller flowers and paler colours. I picked four which caught my eye.
Roma the third one down is my favorite - just love those blues - saw a very strange red/yellow the other day - the red was in a thick band round the edge of the petal - left my phone in the car.......
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Thank you Graeme.
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More Primulas:
Primula Jo Jo
Primula allionii Gabriele
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Poor lot of Primulas for me this year mainly due to lack of attention caused by the never-ending bad weather. Many of them I shall break down into cuttings in the next few weeks so hopefully normal service will be restored next year. Just a couple here both originally raised by David Philbey.
Primula allionii 'Kate Evans'
Primula 'Cissie'
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Some of the primulas beginning to flower. Not brilliant this year for us either, just too damp.
'Joan Hughes'
'Broadwell Rosie'
'Anna Griffith'
'James'
'Adrian Jones'
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In far better nick than some of mine Sue. The following might be useful to you.
Joan Hughes (allionii x P. Linda Pope)
Broadwell Rosie (un-known hybrid)
Anna Griffith (allionii cultivar) rescued from Anna Griffith's collection after her death by Kath Dryden
James (allionii cultivar)
Adrian Jones (allionii cultivar)
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very nice Sue - also like the labels
Anna Griffith is my favorite allionii
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'Sonny Evans'
'Cherry'
'Clarence Elliott'
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'Sonny Evans' is a good pink. I like that, not one I've seen I don't think.
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One of my favourites Maggi, but this year I have struggled with it. Fingers crossed it will keep growing now that the worst is over.
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'Ken's Seedling'
'Gecko'
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'Sonny Evans' is a good pink. I like that, not one I've seen I don't think.
One of David Philbey's raisings
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One of David Philbey's raisings
Ah, yes, the "Evans" connection - there's often a clue - if only I look for it! Thanks David!
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I grow this Primula under the name Primula “Joan Hughes“. It is a wrong name, as I can see. Can somebody tell me some comment to it, please?
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Brian Burrow is visiting us just now and he thinks it looks like a seedling of 'Joan Hughes' called 'Fritzkummert' (not absolutely sure of the spelling)
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I was just wondering if it might be one of Brian Burrow's hybrids..... Primula allionii BB 01/5/1 - colour is similar if not flower shape ?
If it's 'Fritz Kummert' that'll be the spelling.
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What a lovely rich colour in Zdenek's Primula.
I've been looking at what we might have on the Forum for Primula 'Fritz Kummert'. The first is from Kendal in 2014 and George's (Veteren Vet) picture of a plant exhibited by Frank and Barbara Hoyle in Reply 71 http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11525.msg299170#msg299170 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11525.msg299170#msg299170) Colour looks a possible match.
The second, another Veteren Vet picture (plant not attributed) from Blackpool in March 2013, Reply 60, again the colour looks about right
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6868.msg191925#msg191925 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6868.msg191925#msg191925)
and by no means last a pic in Reply 59, from the late, and much missed, Johannes (Hans) Hoeller from 2009 with the plant shown looking much pinker to my eye.
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3334.msg87468#msg87468 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=3334.msg87468#msg87468)
Look at all that historical content available to all with the energy to look for it. You couldn't do that on Facetwit! ;D
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Well, all examples are pin-eyed, so that's a good start! The two show plants look to have a fuller flower, don't you think? Both Zdenek's and Hans' are more "starry" flowers ? Zdenek's is a much more red shade I think - tough with photos though, isn't it?
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I'm hopeless at colour comparisons Maggi but I think Zdenek's is a much redder red (if you see what I mean!). George's pictures are to me more towards a pinky/magenta and Hans' plant more pink. Hans' plant too shows it's marginata genes very strongly.
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I've said before that it's been a poor Primula season. Some of them have thrown a few flowers and I'm grateful for those but I was expecting many more. Still, at least these didn't succumb to botrytis.
Primula 'Joan Hughes' (allionii x P. 'Linda Pope' )
P. allionii 'Marjorie Wooster'
P. a. 'Hartside No. 12'
P. a. 'Hartside No. 6'
P. 'Lindum Malcolm's Mate'
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Some more:-
Primula 'Mylene' a David Philbey hybrid, and one of my favourites
P. a. 'Sapphire'
P. 'Broadwell Jo-Jo'
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... and the final couple:-
Primula 'Blindsee'
P. 'Delight' another David Philbey hybrid
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You grow some lovely primulas David
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Primula 'Mylene' is a cracker.
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Primula 'Mylene' is a cracker.
never seen that one before - you have some great plants
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Thanks Maggi, John and Graeme, yes 'Mylene' is a beautiful plant. I have a soft spot for the yellows as well so 'Delight' would run second for me.
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This time every year I get reminded why I grow Primula allionii
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This time every year I get reminded why I grow Primula allionii
Yes - there's often a clue!! ;) :D
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This time every year I get reminded why I grow Primula allionii
Really beautiful. They aren't that spectacular growing in the garden here, small flowers and a bit disappointing. They would probably like less severe conditions.
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This time every year I get reminded why I grow Primula allionii
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Nice display Mark. What is the white one please?
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Nice display Mark. What is the white one please?
might be 'Tony' - but is got a big flower
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hi, it's Eureka. I'll put up some individual shots over the next few days.
It's out early this year, usually it's the last one out of the whites I have.
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hi, it's Eureka. I'll put up some individual shots over the next few days.
It's out early this year, usually it's the last one out of the whites I have.
Ah, it's one I have (or at least my database tells me I have). I haven't seen it this year, I'll have to search it out.
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David and Mark you've a nice looking collection.
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hi, 2 of the three whites I grow. First Eureka and then Avalanche. I have a soft spot for Avalanche as I bought it as a callow youth from Joe Elliott the year it was introduced. It actually had a purplish tint when it flowered and I took it back and he swapped it out. I've now got plants from two sources and sometimes a slight purple tinge appears but most of the time it's sort of cream.
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Primula show Knowle - 19-03-2016 - tables were pretty thin
1/Primula
2/ P. Auricula
3/ Primula
4/ Prinula Clarkii
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1/ P. Allionii
2/ more Allionii
3/ Lindum Romance
4/ Lindum Little Sweetie
5/ Chivalry
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1/ Malcolm
2/ Eveline Burrow
3/ Aire Mist
4/ Nightingale
5/ Lindum Smoke
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1/ Snowflake
2/ Blindsee
3/ Lindum Priviledge
4/ Lindum Ptarmigan
5/ Lindum Priviledge
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1/ Lindum Gecko - couldnt get a good picture of it
2/ Lindum Smoke
3/ Primula Jo Jo
4/ new seedling class
5/ nice blue Marginata seedling
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three best plants as far as I was concerned
Lindum Priviledge
Lindum Ptarmigan
and the dark marginata cross seedling at the end
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Maybe numbers were thin but agree there are some crackers there, Graeme - thanks for showing the photos.
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Yes, thanks for posting them Graeme. I think under the circumstances there were some very good plants on the benches.
Going back to the whites and Mark's picture 'Snowflake' looks one to get hold of and I liked Lindum Ptarmigan in Graeme's picture too.
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David, mine were Eureka and Avalanche ;)
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Sorry Mark, I'd meant to say 'Avalanche'
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my allionii are just starting to flower it will be easter before they are out - so I might see them this year
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This plant came as "Primula hirsuta nivea alba", not a valid name. Nameless, it's lovely nevertheless.
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Very pretty Claire.
Some more of mine today:-
Primula 'Jackie Richards'
P. 'Clarence Elliott' (P. auricula x allionii)
P. 'Lindum Destiny'
P. 'Lindum Eros'
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A couple more:-
Primula allionii 'Chivalry'
A Primula allionii seedling from Gerd Stopp under his number 10/08
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Primula 'Gecko'
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Primula 'Adrian Jones'
Primula ' Chivalry'
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David and Sue - thanks for posting there are some great plants there
Particularly like the 'Gecko'
Just one quick question I used to have a Marginata that had a yellow farina rather than the white - I lost it but cannot remember which one it was - any ideas
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Just one quick question I used to have a Marginata that had a yellow farina rather than the white - I lost it but cannot remember which one it was - any ideas
Wrightman Alpines Nursery in Canada listed a Primula marginata 'Patient Molly' -
www.wrightmanalpines.com/plant/primula-marginata-patient-molly (http://www.wrightmanalpines.com/plant/primula-marginata-patient-molly) described as:
A marginata seedling selected for is strong growth, yellow farina and soft rosy purple blooms.
But there is no picture :-\
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thanks Maggie - I have a good memory for names and it is not that one - but I will definitely look to obtain one of them as the yellow/gold meal is very attractive
need to have a trip to Steve Furness to see what he has got in as I spent nothing at last weekends Primula show
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.......................Particularly like the 'Gecko'
Just one quick question I used to have a Marginata that had a yellow farina rather than the white - I lost it but cannot remember which one it was - any ideas
The full epithet for 'Gecko' is 'Lindum Gecko' bred by Martin and Dreena Thompson in Lincoln ("Lindum" was the Roman [latin] name for Lincoln) .
I can only find details of the following as having yellow(ish) farina but there may well be others:-
Primula marginata 'Barbara Clough' I've lost mine this year but Susan Tindall at Timpany Nursery stocks it.
P. m. 'Gold Leaf' I haven't found any details of stockists.
P. m. 'Gold Plate' if you do a Forum Search you will find some details of this one.
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This is my ' Barbara Clough' do you think it is wrongly labelled? There are so many of them and I do have quite a few!
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The full epithet for 'Gecko' is 'Lindum Gecko' bred by Martin and Dreena Thompson in Lincoln ("Lindum" was the Roman [latin] name for Lincoln) .
I can only find details of the following as having yellow(ish) farina but there may well be others:-
Primula marginata 'Barbara Clough' I've lost mine this year but Susan Tindall at Timpany Nursery stocks it.
P. m. 'Gold Leaf' I haven't found any details of stockists.
P. m. 'Gold Plate' if you do a Forum Search you will find some details of this one.
thanks David - I have had a look at my list of plants and it was 'Gold Plate' - so I better get looking for one - I have a lot of lost label plants I will need to id at some stage
Got a lot of the 'Lindum' plants but not that one - again it is on my shopping list
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Ah Graeme, look on the bright side - better a lost label than a lost/dead plant!
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Blindsee
Oberau
Lismore Sunshine
Tranquility
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Ah Graeme, look on the bright side - better a lost label than a lost/dead plant!
I have a rather large bucket with every lable from every plant I have lost - it does not make good reading............
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Sue, I think your Primula marginata 'Barbara Clough' is right (possibly) ;D Below are three examples two from Nurseries and a pic of my plant from April 2014. The flower on the Barnhaven pic looks too light but I'm sure that was result of the light when the image was taken.
http://www.barnhaven.com/alpines/primula-marginata/barbara-clough (http://www.barnhaven.com/alpines/primula-marginata/barbara-clough)
https://www.wrightmanalpines.com/all-plants/primula-marginata-barbara-clough (https://www.wrightmanalpines.com/all-plants/primula-marginata-barbara-clough)
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Well, all examples are pin-eyed, so that's a good start! The two show plants look to have a fuller flower, don't you think? Both Zdenek's and Hans' are more "starry" flowers ? Zdenek's is a much more red shade I think - tough with photos though, isn't it?
Thank you Sue, Maggi and David. First of all I apologize myself for my very late response. I simply forgot my question and have found your replies only today. My guilt.
Well, the colour of flowers on my plant is darker than all your examples (they are so dark, indeed), the name Fritz Kummert is however sure much nearer to truth than Joan Hughes. I got that plant many years ago from an Austrian friend, so the name Fritz Kummert could be probable. Such problems arise simply from a fact that some people rise plants from seed of a hybrid and its seedlings distribute on under the same name. In each case it is however a great help for me.
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Does anyone know of a supplier please, or at least someone who might be prepared to part with a rooted offset, of Primula x 'Sid Skelton'.
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Worth trying Graeme and Hilary at Rumbling Bridge, I think.
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It's possible Maggi but it's not on their list, I've dropped Hilary a mail.
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a few allioniis -
Anne, then a Brian Burrow one which only came with a number, and finally Jan which is the darkest one I have. Anyone know what ever became of the true Crowsley?
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a few allioniis -
Anne, then a Brian Burrow one which only came with a number, and finally Jan which is the darkest one I have. Anyone know what ever became of the true Crowsley?
some good looking plants there Mark - Anne is my favorite
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It is so nice to have so many primula freaks at the forum and to see,
that the good old cultivars are still in cultivation.
Primula X Ute is a P. marginata hybrid with huge flowers raised by Gerd Stopp.
Some pictures from today:
Primula X Ute
Pr. all. Pfaffenteich
Pr. all. Royal Snow
Pr. all. Tony
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Does anyone know of a supplier please, or at least someone who might be prepared to part with a rooted offset, of Primula x 'Sid Skelton'.
I did have it for a few years but no longer. I bought it from Ian Christie before he stopped selling plants at the SRGC shows.
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P. allionii 'Mrs Dyas'
P. 'Clarence Elliott'
P. allionii 'Pinkie'
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Hate to say it Philip - that last one isn't Pinkie. Pinkie is different colour and shape. It's a truer pink than most and has a long tube. It's also tiny and a complete pig to grow. Here's mine from a few years back
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8426.15 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8426.15)
I thought I'd lost mine but I seem to have a mislabelled cutting that has just flowered.
What you have looks to me more like Primula allionii Apple Blossom x Hartside No 12
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Here's Primula Apple Blossom x Hartside No 12
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Mark-I got mine at our AGS group meeting.If it's still in flower on Thursday I'll take it to this months meeting to see if I can get a name.Looking forward to Thursday,we have Rob Potterton talking about his years at the nursery.
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I did have it for a few years but no longer. I bought it from Ian Christie before he stopped selling plants at the SRGC shows.
Thanks for that Roma, I'll drop Ian a line and see if he still has it. Rumbling Bridge don't have it.
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Thank you Sue, Maggi and David. First of all I apologize myself for my very late response. I simply forgot my question and have found your replies only today. My guilt.
Well, the colour of flowers on my plant is darker than all your examples (they are so dark, indeed), the name Fritz Kummert is however sure much nearer to truth than Joan Hughes. I got that plant many years ago from an Austrian friend, so the name Fritz Kummert could be probable. Such problems arise simply from a fact that some people rise plants from seed of a hybrid and its seedlings distribute on under the same name. In each case it is however a great help for me.
More information about Primula 'Fritz Kummert' the following extract is from a NAPS publication 'Primula Allionii Forms and Hybrids' by Bob Archdale and David Richards (just as a by-the-way Primula allionii 'Jackie Richards was raised by David Richards and named for his wife I think).
""Fritz Kummert: Raised in Austria by Fritz Kummert by crossing 'Joan Hughes' with 'Crowsley' and then crossing a resulting seedling back to 'Crowsley'. The result is a plant similar to 'Crowsley' but more vigorous and easier to grow. The pin-eyed funnel shaped flowers are of a similar colour to 'Crowsley but more intense and are in clusters similar to 'Joan Hughes'. The foliage is green and cushion forming. It is a desirable plant and received a preliminary commendation in 1992""
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Cheers for the edit above Maggi.
Some more Primulas from the greenhouse today. Some of them needed a couple more warmish days to open properly but as we shall be away for most of the next seven days I didn't want to miss photographing them for my records.
Primula 'Maria Talbot'
P. 'Alice Collins'
P. 'Lindum Lavender Mist'
P. 'Lindum Moonlight'
P' 'Wharfedale Superb'
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Lindum Lavender Mist is rather nice
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A few more:-
The first is my own seedling from open pollinated seed and named for Maureen's late sister-in-law who sadly died far too young. Primula 'Kathryn Alice'.
P. 'Oberau'
Primula allionii 'Eureka'
P. 'Tony' originally bred by Margaret Earle under her breeding number HME473-86
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Lindum Lavender Mist is rather nice
Yup, pretty little thing.
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Never ceases to amaze me how big some of these allionii flowers are!
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P. 'Stradbrook Dainty'
P. 'Broadwell Milkmaid'
P. 'Wharfedale 'Ling'-I think
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'Wharfedale Ling' looks spot on Philip. Do you find 'Broadwell Milkmaid' to be 'miffy'?
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Define miffy.Do you mean unclean flowers or poor foliage.When I took this to our group meeting,our man that talks us through the plants,(we have a mini show each month),said 'Milkmaid' is very prone to virus.My plant got a good review,although it flowered a lot better last year.
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Define miffy.Do you mean unclean flowers or poor foliage.When I took this to our group meeting,our man that talks us through the plants,(we have a mini show each month),said 'Milkmaid' is very prone to virus.My plant got a good review,although it flowered a lot better last year.
Philip, I think I mean 'weak growing'. Looks good for a year and then declines gradually?
Some of mine today:
Primula 'Janet Aldritch' a David Philbey hybrid
P. 'Helen Evans' another David Philbey hybrid
P. 'Moonbeam' originally raised by Margaret Earle under her breeding number HME 469-87
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A couple more:-
Primula x miniera (a marginata x latifolia cross) this one from Timpany Nursery.
P. 'Lois Parker' this came to me with the breeding number BB 99-6. I assume this is Brian Burrow, can anyone confirm please? A real beauty to my eye.
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Helen Evans - nice pin
Lois Parker - wow - great colour
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David-mine's still growing well,but it is very young.
You have a great collection.
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Primula x miniera is nice. I like the ruffled effect to the flowers. Another good reason to visit Timpany when I go to Ireland in a few weeks.
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Thank heavens for the alpine houses on a horrible wet, sleety day! 2 degrees outside
Primula 'Broadwell Oliver'
P. 'Beatrice Wooster'
P. 'Ryal '
P. marginata 'Tremalzo' seems to e a mis-named Primula 'Casterino'
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Primula 'Eureka'
P. 'Broadwell Rosie'
P. 'Oberau'
P. marginata 'Drake's Form'
P. marginata 'Beamish'
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All lovely, Sue, but I particularly like 'Beamish' with its dark flowers contrasting the silver foliage.
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Primula 'Lismore Sunshine '
Primula 'Wharfedale Village'
P. allionii 'Mars'
P. allioni 'Mary Berry'
P. 'Wharfedale Gem'
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Just a few more!
P. 'Linden Frosty Morn'
P. 'Wharfedale Superb'
P. allionii 'Pink Aire'
P. allionii 'Avalanche'
P. 'Broadwell Chameleon '
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Cracking primulas. Sue - that 'Frosty Morn' is very sweet.
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Sitting at dentist waiting patiently!
P. 'Stradbrook Lucy'
P. 'Windrush'
P. 'Lindum Crepe Suzette'
P. 'Lismore Treasure'
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thanks David - I have had a look at my list of plants and it was 'Gold Plate' - so I better get looking for one - I have a lot of lost label plants I will need to id at some stage
I have 'Gold Plate', Graeme. A small plant, it was chopped last year to make a cutting and is branching out nicely. If you struggle to find a source for this plant I could probably let you have a cutting next year. Do come back to me if you have no joy elsewhere.
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Very nice selection there Sue. I particularly liked Primula marginata 'Tremalzo' which I hadn't heard of before, it looks a very good form. Could you let me know who stocks it please?
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Just having a look at our database and it looks as though we picked up 'Tremalzo ' from a SRGC Sales table in Dundee in 2009! As we have HMT on the label it looks as though Henry and Margaret Taylor must have brought it in that day so it may be one of their selections. I would think they will be at the Edinburgh show on Saturday so I will check with them. I have never seen it for sale anywhere else. 'Casterino' is quite a nice form too.
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Primula 'Lindum Ibis'
P. 'Lindum Destiny'
P. 'Lindum Unique '
P. marginata 'Anwen'
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Just having a look at our database and it looks as though we picked up 'Tremalzo ' from a SRGC Sales table in Dundee in 2009! As we have HMT on the label it looks as though Henry and Margaret Taylor must have brought it in that day so it may be one of their selections. I would think they will be at the Edinburgh show on Saturday so I will check with them. I have never seen it for sale anywhere else. 'Casterino' is quite a nice form too.
Thanks for that Sue. I have 'Casterino' but it looks like it's not going to flower this year. I was taken by Primula 'Anwen' in your last post, another cracking plant. Not a lot about it on Google apart from a picture of it from the NAPS Northern Section Primula Show at Ossett, West Yorks in 2009, bred and shown by John Mercer from Bradford. That's the trouble with Primulas, there are a number of cracking plants around but very difficult to source many of them.
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I don't find the white marginatas particularly easy unfortunately, nor easy to propagate.
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I have 'Gold Plate', Graeme. A small plant, it was chopped last year to make a cutting and is branching out nicely. If you struggle to find a source for this plant I could probably let you have a cutting next year. Do come back to me if you have no joy elsewhere.
thanks Matt much appreciated - I did pick one up on my travels but I am not 100% sure it is gold plate as it has been outside - now its under a bit more cover I will have to see if it produces the gold farina
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Sue - all I can say is you have a fantastic collection of primulas - and thanks for posting the photos
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Sue, it is aways a pleasure for me to see the photos of your
well grown and labelled Primulas. Thank you for posting!
I just wondered about the naming of Primula Tremalzo.
Monte Tremalzo and the Tremalzo Pass which is well known for
the Flora and the mountain bike trails lies above Lake Garda,
quite far away from the Maritime Alps, the location of P. marginata.
Primula Casterino was a finding of the late nurseryman Mr. Wetzel in
the wild. This plant is a real Diva in my experience, very beautiful, but
slow to propagate and grow.
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Primula Timpany seedling.
Primula blue night.
Primula blue wave.
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Primula marginata 'Casterino' it is! Wrongly named as Tremalzo in 2009! Still jolly difficult whatever it is!
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The discussion about Primula marginata 'Casterino' brings back memories of a trip made with my
late friend Bernd Wetzel. In 1993 we visited the Maritime Alps and stayed at Entraque. In the region we
saw gems as Fritillaria tubiformis ssp. moggridgei, Primula allionii and Primula
marginata. When I asked Bernd about the location where he detected the white variety of the
latter one earlier he replied that it wasn't inside the Casterino valley and he choose the name because
it sounds pretty nice. Unfortunately I can't remember the place he mentioned for the real place.
I still cultivate Casterino. The variety does well inside but was a little bit tricky in the trough.
Gerd
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Thanks for that Sue. I have 'Casterino' but it looks like it's not going to flower this year. I was taken by Primula 'Anwen' in your last post, another cracking plant. Not a lot about it on Google apart from a picture of it from the NAPS Northern Section Primula Show at Ossett, West Yorks in 2009, bred and shown by John Mercer from Bradford. That's the trouble with Primulas, there are a number of cracking plants around but very difficult to source many of them.
You would see my answer to the Tremalzo query. Casterino it is unfortunately, wrongly labelled in 2009! Just checked to see where I got 'Anwen' and it was from the Hexham show club stand in 2012!
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Hi
The label on this pretty little primula growing outside in my crevice garden says Primula x floerkeana (a natural hybrid of P. glutinosa and P. mimima), but the flowers do not tally with any of the pictures of that on the internet.
Can anyone tell me what it is please.
Thanks
Bob
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Primula marginata-possibly 'Kesselring's Variety'
Primula 'Pink Aire'
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Here is a nice plant that I picked up at the Edinburgh show from Rumbling Bridge. Labelled P. 'Celtic Maiden', it is a plant of their own raising with PP. x pubescens, auricula and marginata in its parentage. It is offered as "the yellow marginata", and whilst I can detect a hint of yellow in the throat of newly opened flowers it is a rather attractive sparkling white. For comparison, the second photo shows this plant (left) next to P.m. 'Casterino' (right).
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My Primula season is slowly drawing to a close with, in addition to those posted below, the marginatas still to flower although they well give it a miss this year. Those below are all small plants grown from saved rooted offsets from plants that were suffering from Botrytis in late-Autumn/early Winter.
Primula 'Jenny Bourne' another David Philbey hybrid
P. 'Lindum Whisper'
P. 'Lindum Serenade'
P. 'Lindum Sunburst'
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Some more:-
Primula 'Lilac Lover'
P. 'Wharfedale Superb'
P. 'Lismore 79-26' raised by Brian Burrow and, as far as I know, not named. It was the seed parent of David Philbey's 'Janet Aldritch (pollen parent thought to be x pubescens 'Harlow Carr')
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need a couple of id's
lost label Marginata's any ideas welcome
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Nice Primula display from all of you, i'm jealous ::)
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There's an interesting article on Primula and auricula at the New England Primula Society exhibition over at Matt Mattus' blog (http://www.growingwithplants.com/2016/05/rarely-seen-blooms-at-annual-primrose.html), including a very nice portrait of our own Ian The Christie Kind.
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Thanks for Link Matt I'm more used to seeing IC with a glass of Malt though ;D
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Some Asian Primulas in flower now:
Primula henricii
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Primula maximowiczii
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Primula reidii var. williamsii
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Primula frondosa. I've had this for several years now and it's still going strong. Split this spring.
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Can anyone help identify this primula. I used to have a Primula scotica nearby but it died after flowering. I thought this might be a seedling of primula scotica, but now that I see Tristan's Primula frondosa I find some resemblance. The thing is that I have never had a Primula frondosa
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Primula farinosa, perhaps, Oleg?
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Might be, Maggi. Thanks. I have one at the other end of the garden. Should compare the plants. When the garden is mature you never know what discoveries you can make
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I do very poorly with Primula. Fortunately, I often find attractive-interesting plants at the garden centre. Here are two border auriculas.
j
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Oleg, here is a close up of my P. frondosa for comparison. Although they are similar I don't think yours is the same as mine. I'm no expert on Primula taxonomy but I'd say P. farinosa looks reasonable. Nice to have it self seeding!
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Some other primulas are starting to flower now.
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Primula chionantha. Unfortunately this is the white form - I prefer the purple. The farina on this one is very beautiful though.
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Primula munroi. I picked this up at Aberconwy last year on a whim. It was in the tunnel where they generally keep the rare (= easier to kill) stuff. When I planted it out I found the pot actually contained several small plants, so I teased them apart and planted them in the damper, peaty end of the rockery. I was surprised by how chunky the growth has been this year despite the very wet winter. It looks like a lovely species, hopefully I will be able to increase it as I think it would be very effective massed.
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Thank you, Tristan. So It is not likely to be Primula frondosa. Neither is it Primula farinosa, as I compared it with my specimen and they don't look alike. Now I have another idea. Primula scandinavica? I used to have it but lost some year ago
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..this, a bit of a tatty mess of a primula....
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..this, a bit of a tatty mess of a primula....
Huge leaves, Giles - what is it?
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..the best I could come up with was Primula mollis (which isn't what it was meant to be)...
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Yes, it may well be that. Not the prettiest of the genus, for sure.
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Primula sieboldii (Barnhaven seedlings)
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I wonder if any of you interested in pot-grown Primulas have started re-potting yet? I started today some three weeks later than I had intended to find quite heavy infestations of root aphids (mealy bugs). I did some 20 pots today with some half-dozen consigned to the bin that were too heavily infected to bother about resurrection. Of the others infected I treated them with cotton buds dipped in methylated spirits followed by the whole plants dunked in systemic insecticide. Time will tell if this has been successful.
I've been growing Primulas for quite a few years now, and grew a lot of Auriculas before that, and have never before been infected with root aphids. Mary Robinson, in her book (1990) says [root aphids] "is often a sympton of underwatering" and I may well be guilty of that this year. She later says "It seems very prevalent at present as a result of two extremely mild winters"
If others find that they have the same problem do please let me know.
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Hi David I haven't started re potting mine either, it has been and still is unseasonably cold here in North Yorkshire.
Do the plants show any indication of infection, or is it only apparent when the plants are knocked out ready for potting on?
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David - don't see it very often at all now except when I buy plants from one person.
When I buy from there I always give them a dip
Mine tend to live on damp sand most of the time - which seems to keep them at bay
Did some repotting early spring - some will be done in autumn
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Hi David I haven't started re potting mine either, it has been and still is unseasonably cold here in North Yorkshire.
Do the plants show any indication of infection, or is it only apparent when the plants are knocked out ready for potting on?
On one or two bad ones Lawrence I could see the woolly evidence on the necks of the plants when I shook the grit topping off. On others it only became evident when I started to shred the old compost off.
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Very happy with this aquisition of earlier this year. Primula cockburiana lights up the shade in my little peatbed with its vivid orange/red colour.
Third photo focuses on the stalk and the buds to show how mealy they are.
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last lot of the year taken early May
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P. Victoria
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Graeme, is your first one 'Moonbeam'?
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Primula sieboldii - carpet the earth with them.
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.... would that I had the conditions they like ;D
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Me too, David! My kind of carpet if I could.
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Primula sieboldii - carpet the earth with them.
Lovely lovely.
I'm so happy that P.sieboldii is one of the primulas which thrives here, I lost most of my candelabra primulas last winter but none of sieboldii. :)
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Thankyou, I'm glad you like them.
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Primula sieboldii from Barnhaven seeds, these were grown from 'Manakoora', but all plants are different, some are white and I especially like the pale blueish flowers. All are very lovely.
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Primula flaccida, acquired from Kevock this spring.
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Primulas in FYROM
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Primulas in FYROM
Always nice to see Primulas in the wild. The first one is farinosa?
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Primula japonica doing well and seeding prolifically at a Halifax lurker friend's this morning. This slope has lovely soil and the moisture seeps down to the bog beyond and eventually nicely filtered to the lake in the distance. Theyseem to be loving this weather.
johnw - a blistering 11c and cloudy.
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Primula japonica doing well and seeding prolifically at a Halifax lurker friend's this morning. This slope has lovely soil and the moisture seeps down to the bog beyond and eventually nicely filtered to the lake in the distance. Theyseem to be loving this weather.
johnw - a blistering 11c and cloudy.
What a charming situation and so many happy primulas 8)
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Always a hit, P. vialli. They do not live long with me. I wonder, if this is normal, or my conditions do not suite it. My soil is a bit alkali, a bit over pH 7.1
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Primula flaccida
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I wonder if any of you interested in pot-grown Primulas have started re-potting yet? I started today some three weeks later than I had intended to find quite heavy infestations of root aphids (mealy bugs). I did some 20 pots today with some half-dozen consigned to the bin that were too heavily infected to bother about resurrection. Of the others infected I treated them with cotton buds dipped in methylated spirits followed by the whole plants dunked in systemic insecticide. Time will tell if this has been successful.
Did the methylated spirit treatment work? I have discovered root aphids on some of my pot grown auriculas but can't use any pesticides as the plants have been treated with the predator phytoseiulus which seem to be happily munching their way through the red spider mites. Any suggestions appreciated, thank you.
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Too early to say Margaret. In addition to the Meths treatment they all got a drenching in Provado Bug Clear. I had word from another Primula growing friend yesterday that his plants were badly affected too.
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Thank you David, at least you didn't say your plants had all perished as a result of the meths treatment! I think I'll give meths a try, just removing the compost and washing the roots in water first.
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From Pam Eveleigh of Primula World .... a new blog post
https://primulaworld.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/field-book-project.html (https://primulaworld.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/field-book-project.html)
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Too early to say Margaret. In addition to the Meths treatment they all got a drenching in Provado Bug Clear. I had word from another Primula growing friend yesterday that his plants were badly affected too.
have used a drench of armilotox in the past but I understand the EU banned it >:(
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have used a drench of armilotox in the past but I understand the EU banned it >:(
Stilli on the market as a disinfectant Graeme, but no longer permitted for use as a pesticide.
http://www.armillatox.co.uk/default.htm (http://www.armillatox.co.uk/default.htm)
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These plants were grown from SRGC 2015/16 seed, sown on 05 Feb this year and flowering for a while now. They were labelled as P. magellanica, but I had my doubts and clearly they are P. capitata, in what I think is a quite a good dark form?
Nb: brown leaf tips are due to me missing a watering and the plants drying out in the summer :-\
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Nice P. capitata Matt - not as dark or rich a purple as the ssp. mooreana often seen but I really like the large flared flowers. I think there may also be more flowers per head than usual?
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Matt, very beautiful dark form of that Primula.
Do you have a spare one?
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I'm not expecting a good flowering season this time after the trials of last Summer, but here's my first:-
Primula 'Lindum Sunburst'
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Many of my Primula allionii hybrids are showing bud and flower, should I be removing these to prevent any possibility of fungal infection. If flowers and buds are removed now, will they produce another flush later in the spring, or do I just leave them and enjoy?
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Many of my Primula allionii hybrids are showing bud and flower, should I be removing these to prevent any possibility of fungal infection. If flowers and buds are removed now, will they produce another flush later in the spring, or do I just leave them and enjoy?
I would just enjoy
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I'd just leave them to enjoy them now - I would be careful to remove dying flowers afterwards.