Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: Alberto on January 17, 2008, 08:47:51 PM
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Hi all.
I have been blooming in these days this wonderful bulb, almost by me. In nature it grows as epiphytic in evergreen forests of Ecuador, Peru and Bolivia. The single flower, strongly scented at night, is about 30 cm long and 17 cm wide, long lasting! I hope you enjoy it.
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Che bella!
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Fantastic 8)
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Hi:
It says a lot about your excellence as a grower, Alberto!
This plant is notoriously difficult to grow not to mention flowering.
All recent reports say it is extinct in the wild. Its future is black as it is not easy to provide the tropical conditions it needs.
Congratulations
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Looks like you have a nice greenhouse with cycads and ferns too Alberto? 8)
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That's exactly what I thought, too Anthony!
Seems like Grossi-garden is worth a visit ;)
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Hi all,
indeed only the first picture is from the bulb in my greenhouse. The other with ferns and cycads is a photo I took in the Botanical Garden in Zurich in 2006.
I grow my Pamianthe along with orchids, bromeliads and epiphytic cacti (only species) and other tropical Amaryllidaceae (Griffinia, Eithea, Eucharis, Proiphys, Crinum, Hymenocallis) in a warm little greenhouse I build last year.
Of course friends are welcome!
Alberto
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I grow my Pamianthe along with orchids, bromeliads and epiphytic cacti (only species) and other tropical Amaryllidaceae (Griffinia, Eithea, Eucharis, Proiphys, Crinum, Hymenocallis) in a warm little greenhouse I build last year.
Of course friends are welcome!
Alberto, from this list there seems no room for visitors! 8)
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Maggi, before I have to put outside the 3 staghorn ferns, then visitors can visit... :)
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Alberto, you are the perfect host to make such arrangements for your guests! Is there perhaps also cake and tea? ;)
There is a distinct resemblance between this large flowered Pamianthe and some Ismene sp, Hymenocallis and Pancratium.... I know all are in the amaryllidaceae but so are lots of other plants which do not havethethis flower shape.... how closely are these species related?
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Maggi , I hope you like Twinings's tea as I drink only that. I can cook a pineapple cake if you come! ;)
About Amaryllidaceae. Pamianthe is in the Tetraploid Andean Clade, and the chromosome number (2n= 46) is the main character from the other American members (2n= 22) of Amaryllidaceae. Pamianthe with Paramongaia and Clinanthus is in the Clinantheae, according to the systematic review of Alan Meerow. It shares with other genus, like Pancratium, Vagaria, Hymenocallis...the presence of a pseudocorona, that is a staminal cup. It is told they have a 'pancratoid' floral morphology. But they differs in the shape and nature of seeds, number of chromosomes.
Ciao
Alberto
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Twining's tea is perfectly acceptable! Thank you!
So the similarities with these plants are chiefly superficial, in the appearance , since chromosome numbers vary ? This shows how difficult it can be for the amateur to make identification with only naked eye view of a plant :-\
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Identification is always easier when one is in a place where a certain plant is endemic, though ::) ;)
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Hi,
Alberto very nice plant/picture of your Pamianthe in flower and as you wrote it's always easier to get difficult tropical species to flower in a greenhouse, I have two Pamianthe peruviana in my apartment mature bulbs and they have not yet flowered for me, but maybe next year if I have luck and they grows well in my apartment on a plate with water and I sprout them every day with distil water!
Regards
Tomas
sweden
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I have been spelbound the past few days watching my first Pamianthe peruviana blossom unfurl - It has been four years and four months from seed... 8)
Tepal tip to tepal tip the flower is 150mm in diameter and in length nearly 280mm, including the floral tube and ovary.
Although my flowers are cream with a slight tint of green, they are not as green as my camera portrays them - obviously a characteristic of my cheap digital camera.
Superficially the flowers resemble those of a "Queen of the Night" cactus (Selenicereus et al.), but last much longer and are also strongly scented at night.
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Congratulations Rogan, they are stunning.
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Beautiful Rogan! Well done.
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Very impressive Rogan ! :o
Many congrats - it's beautiful ! :D
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Amazing :)
Mine are two years old, what kind of potting mix do you use? Your plant is absolutely beautiful, more pictures please :) lol
Here are some pics of mine a couple months after I got them, the plant was stressed due to shipment from Holland. They've put out maybe 3 new leaves each now :)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/4971841048_7ceeb52ac9_m.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshy46013/4971841048/)
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Alberto and Rogan beautiful flower thanks for sharing.
Angie :)
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Thank you all for your positive comments.
"what kind of potting mix do you use?"
As you seem to have done, I use a very open mix as the plant is an epiphyte in nature. I keep it quite shaded (60 - 80%), warm and humid.
It is a great plant and the flowers appear to be quite long lasting. I would like to grow it in an elevated hanging basket as then the flowers will be displayed to their best advantage as the whole plant tends to lean over with the flowers descending below the leaves after opening - perfectly displayed for pollination by a large... (moth?).
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Rogan,
My mix is bark, hort. charcoal, vermiculite and perlite. I'm a bit worried it isn't airy enough :( This plant was SO incredibly hard to find I don't want to kill it off :( Blooming four years from seed seems quick, I've heard they mature faster than a lot of different geophytic plants.
Also from what I've heard they're self fertile so you should be blessed with seeds :) The only thing, they can take 15 months to mature if not longer!
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I purchase a potting medium consisting largely of composted bark and wood chippings (...is the equivalent elsewhere known as 'supersoil'?) and then pass that through an 8 - 10 mm sieve. That retains just the coarsest components which I use for all of my epiphytes in pots. Worsleya and Paphs also seem to thrive in this medium.
I have also heard that Pamianthe is self-compatible, so hopefully there will be many seeds to go around in the not too distant future! In any case I will freeze some pollen for future use.
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Hi Rogan,
do you know how cold tolerant they are?
Pamianthe peruviana is allowed into Australia as seed, so I hope you do get a good seed set! ;D
cheers
fermi
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so far I know ( from a good friend ) are this plants not self fertil ...he has tried it several times without any succsess :-\
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Hans,
I've heard from several that have this plant that it's self fertile, maybe he should try pollination earlier in the day?
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Fermi, I have no idea how cold-tolerant they are - our minimum winter temps are -1 or -2'C at worst, which is not really very cold.
"...so I hope you do get a good seed set!"
Well, the flowers have faded and the green ovaries are still there - we may yet be lucky... :)
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Rogan,
Hopefully you get seed :) I have a friend in Aussie who grows this beautiful plant and his are self fertile but that doesn't mean all clones are :( The hardest part is waiting the 15 or so months for the seed to ripen :) lol
Good luck! Pictures are beautiful!
Josh