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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Maggi Young on January 09, 2008, 08:24:33 PM
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Hello, Folks, You will see that the earth has been moving for me once more as I transfer all the Forums Pleione related pages to this new special section.
Most importantly, this will give Paul, "Mr Pleione" Cumbleton a great place for all his and your pleione chat, pix, queries, etc. as an adjunct to his site http://www.pleione.info/
Enjoy!
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Thanks Maggi !
At least there's no more need for us Pleione fans to be jealous of our very dear forum friends stricken by the white feaver ! ;D
I'm sure we'll try and make it a great thread.
And thanks again for the hard work :-*
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A big thank you to Maggi and the SRGC for making Pleiones a separate section! I had long wanted to have a forum for Pleiones on my Pleione Website (http://www.pleione.info) but never had the time to get to grips with the software that would need to have been added. When I saw what an active discussion there already was about Pleiones here on the SRGC site it seemed to me I would only have been duplicating what already exists. So I asked if the Pleione discussions could be pulled together in this new major section and then simply provide a link to here from my website. Now this is done I hope we can even more easily and enthusiastically share our pictures, ask our questions and discuss this beautiful genus.
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And my first question because the season will soon start: What should we use against brevipalpus?
Hans
from Austria
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Hello Hans,
The most easily available treatment is any pesticide that contains the chemical Bifenthrin. This kills the adults though is not effective against the eggs, so after spraying you have to wait a while for any eggs to hatch then spray again - hoping that you have killed the young ones before they lay any more eggs. I have found the best thing is to spray 3 times at about 2 week intervals, starting about the end of June.
But better still is to dip the dormant bulbs completely in "Spraying Oil". This kills both adults and eggs by blocking their breathing pores and so suffocating them. It is a very fine petroleum oil. The one I use is called "Hortichem Spraying Oil" although other companies make similar products. Although these are made for the professional horticulture market, they are unusual in that they can legally be bought and used by amateurs. This is because their mode of action is not as a poison and so they are not classified as only for professional use. But it does still mean that you need to buy them from professional horticultural/Agricultural suppliers.
Another effective treatment is Neem Oil for those countries where this is allowed. This also seems to kill both adults and eggs.
Finally I would like to say that I believe all pleione collections should be treated against Brevipalpus EVERY YEAR - even if you believe you have no mites present. I have found in the past that if you stop treating every year, they soon build up again to damaging levels. But treated every year, the bulbs grow vigorously and the mites are not a problem - so don't let this pest put you off growing these lovely plants!
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Hello Paul,
many thanks for your very important informations. I think this is in the interest of all who grow Pleiones.
Best wishes
Hans
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But better still is to dip the dormant bulbs completely in "Spraying Oil". The one I use is called "Hortichem Spraying Oil" although other companies make similar products.
Another effective treatment is Neem Oil for those countries where this is allowed.
Has anyone done a search and found suitable suppliers for either of these ?
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Neem Oil
General info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_oil
Supplier.
http://www.enaissance.co.uk/acatalog/Carrier_Oils_N_to_Z.html?gclid=CMOAzp_u7pACFQ_tlAodyQXaqQ
Easy to find products containing Neem Oil but more difficult to find suppliers of the oil itself.
Spraying Oil
http://www.jfcmonro.co.uk/showdetails.asp?id=59 But NOTE will only supply to trained users!
I did a fairly extensive Google search but was unable to find suppliers in UK which may mean it is a 'guarded substance' If you have contacts in the agricultural or Horticultural industries you may glean more, or perhaps 'borrow' some! It seems to be freely available in the States though. Perhaps Paul will say more.
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Hi - this is my first posting on any forum!
I am really delighted to have discovered you all and look forward to sharing pleione experiences with you all!
At the and of last year I was given the remains of a much negelcted pleione collection. Many of the label names I knew but I cannot find any or much meaningful information about "volcanello" or "papillon". Unfortunately I doubt if they will flower this year as they are rather small. I will post a photo when they do!
Any ideas?
Oops! I have just been out to the greenhouse this morning and realized that I already have "volcanello" (thank you Ian Butterfield)- it is "voltalinii" that I need information about!
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A very warm welcome to you, Simon. Great to hear that you have given a new home to a pleione collection ...I am sure it will reward you with years of interest as you work with it.
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Hi Simon,
Pleione voltalinii is a disputed name for what most of us would call Pleione pleionoides. If you can stand reading about taxonomy, the "Taxonomy" page on my website at www.pleione.info will give you more details.
"Papillon" is actually a cultivar name for a form of P. bulbocodioides, so the full name should be written Pleione bulbocodioides 'Papillon' This form of P. bulbocodioides flowers quite late in the season.
P. Volcanello is a hybrid between P. bulbocodioides and P. Soufriere, made by Ian Butterfield and registered with that name by him in 1987
Going back to the chemicals questions, I believe Neem is now officially not allowed to be used as a pesticide in the uk which is why no-one sells it for that purpose any more. In the UK, the only chemicals that can be applied as pesticides are those which have been thoroughly tested and passed the approvals process to become an "Approved" product. Strictly interpreted, this means that all the many "home remedies" used by people against pests and diseases are illegal. I know, it's daft, but that's where things stand. As for the Spraying Oil, it can be hard to get. The suppliers who supply the professional trade are used to their products being legal only for professional use by those who have had the necessary training and passed the relevant exams. So if just one of their products happens to be OK for amateurs too, it is often too much bother for them to change their systems to allow supply of small amounts to amateurs. If you cannot find a sympathetic supplier then you are left with only the other treatment - Bifenthrin, which gladly is easily avilable in any garden centre under a variety of product names.
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Thanks very much for that Paul! I am stupid as your site is one of my favourites and I was delighted with the chunii I have just recieved from you - many thanks!
I have read the taxonomy page before and should have remembered! (Am still confused about it all but it would appear I am in good company!)
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The posts formerly in this thread which were not specifically Pleione related have been moved to the General Forum.... Moan, moan, moan section!
Happy Days!
M
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Hi, can anybody tell me when is the best time to repot Pleione, after their winter dormant stage.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Many Thanks
ladybird6
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Hello, Ladybird/dragonfly (nice to welcome a bi-generic hybrid to the Forum! ;)
We used to repot our pleiones as they started to make growth, potting them in a very mossy compost. We did not give them any water untill the roots were well into growth, though and, with pleiones, leaf growth and flowers do not always mean that there is also root growth. or most they flower and makeget their leaves well extended before there is vert much in the way of roots. So keeping the compost very slighty moist, to avoid dessicating the pseudobulbs is the best best until you are sure there are enough roots to be able to take up water. I would have a look around Paul's website for more up to date info....
http://www.pleione.info/
Cheers,
Maggi
I am merging this with the other pleine page...M
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:'(
hi I think I have killed my pleiones I have had them without any soil since november I empted all the soil out and cleaned all the bulbs because I thought you had to repot them every year
then i cut just a bit of the roots off and left them in my greenhouse I brought them into the house to look at them and they are very dry although they have a lot of roots on the bottom of the bulb could anyone give me any advice what i could do with them
many thanks
Hi, I will merge this with the other pleione pages. M
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Hi Dragonfly,
You should not have killed your pleiones by doing what you describe. They are usually dormant by November so there is no problem with un-potting them at this time. All the root made that year dies off, just like the leaves, so it does not matter if this old root looks dry - it is meant to be dead. As long as the new bulbs themselves look OK then they will be fine. Just pot them up now and keep them just very slightly damp until the leaves start growing in Spring. Hope they are OK!
Paul
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hi paul many thanks for your advice hope all goes well could i ask you about sphagnum moss I use this for my pleiones how long does the moss last before I need to change it or does it just last and last I can't find any info on it only what you can use it for
many thanks
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Sphagnum is able to last for many years, but as a precaution against the build up of pests and diseases I repot every year into fresh compost. I know it seems a waste as the moss is so expensive, but I feel it necessary.
Paul
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Paul, what about sterilising the sphagnum before re-use?
(In a microwave, for instance, smells bad, of course!) Any thoughts on that?
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Hi Maggi,
I've never tried sterilising Sphagnum in a microwave. I guess it would be fine - you would need to moisten it and watch the cooking time (to avoid moss fires!). Maybe useful for small quantities but if you have a large collection it would quickly become too time consuming to do large amounts.
I wonder how many of us admit to "culinary horticulture"? I sterilise Seramis in the microwave and clay pots in the oven...perhaps we should start a new thread to share our "cooking" tips!
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Yep - anytime Rob ! ;)
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here P.'Barcena' and P.'Eiger are in ful bloom, P.'Barcena' is late this year, normally it flowers in december or januari
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Good to see the first Pleione making their apearance !
My Eiger is still unfolding - a couple more days...
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My first Pleione in 2008 - humilis
Hans
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beautiful plant Hans, I had one but lost it 2 years ago, when I see yours I now I have to try it again
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Beautiful specimen Hans !
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It's a real stunner Paul - very good colours and quite evenly shaped ! :o - I want to be second on the list after Derek ;D
I'm sure you will delight us with lots more of these new goodies as the season progresses.
Here are my season openers -
1) P. eiger
2 and 3) P. eiger 'To ah'
4) and 5) P. eiger 'To be'
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Luc I like these pale forms of eiger, here is Pl.'Hekla',
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They are new to me Chris - I hope they do well and in a couple of years we can swap... ;)
Your P. hekla looks quite healthy !
Here's my P. zeus weinstein - two different clones from two different origins - you might recognize one Chris...
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Luc, you really must stop this, my chin is very sore from all that drooling. :-[
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I have never grown Pleiones, but if I saw a flower like Luc's second photo I would be worried about virus.
Do Pleiones get a virus, and does it show up in the flower or leaves?
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Sorry David... the season is just starting... ;D
Hi Art,
I'm sure Paul C. will be able to tell lots more about possible virus problems with Pleiones ??? I must admit I've never heard it being mentioned.
I agree that the colouring of the petals is quite peculiar in this clone, it could have been painted (make no mistake, it hasn't ;D) - I have seen on it on other specimen of this particular hybrid.
Paul ??
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The question about viruses and pleiones has a rather confusing answer! Ian Butterfield had an oppertunity a few years ago to get some plants tested. They tested a wide variety of samples - some plants which looked perfectly normal, some where the leaves had streaks that looked possibly due to virus and some where the flowers had the same "colour breaks" that are showing in Luc's second picture. The results did not come back as expected. Some plants that looked perfectly healthy were found to have virus, some of those that looked infected were in fact clear of any virus and a few others that looked ill did indeed have some virus. (I'm afraid I can't remeber now exactly which viruses they detected). So the visual symptoms did not reliably tie in with the presence or absence of viruses.
I personally am not convinced that the colour breaks on petals are due to virus. The precise colour of Pleione flowers seems to vary from year to year - has anyone else noticed this? Some years they may be darker than usual, some years paler and some years they may develop these colour breaks on the petals - but the same plant may look perfectly normal again the next year. It is known that temperature plays a part in determining just what colour pleione flowers appear to be, and I believe that most of the colour breaking is due to temperature fluctuations during the development of the buds.
Even if they do have some virus, the question needs to be asked, does it matter? If the plant is growing vigorously and flowering well, and the only effect on the plant is to change the colour a bit, I personaly am happy to live with that. Just think of other plants such as Tulips where the streaks in some highly prized varietites are due to virus - in those cases we welcome the infection because it gives us colour forms we otherwise would not have. In other words, it all depends whether the virus is actually harming the plant or not. And, as the results of the tests show that it simply is not possible to know just by looking whether a Pleione has a virus or not, I am not prepared to throw out Pleiones when it isn't possible to know which ones to throw!
It would be interesting therefore for us all to mark any plants with colour breaks and report back next year how many of them retain this colour break next season - and in seasons after that. My guess is that it will vary a lot, and that this variation is probably due to the effect of temperature on the development of the pigments.
Paul
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Paul
Thanks for a very comprehansive answer.
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Thanks for the relief Paul ! ;)
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Paul,
From the broken colour petal virus point of view..... what it comes down to is whether it is transmissible to others in the collection. If the virus produced the colour break but there was no means to transfer it to other plants then the virus is irrelevent from anything other than "Oooh, what an interesting colour", but if the neighbouring plants in your collection start exhibiting all the same symptoms and start colour breaking then perhaps you may not be as happy to live with it.
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Paul,
That's a good point; gladly I haven't observed this to happen as yet
Paul
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The first Pleione forrestii
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Just a note to anyone who hadn't realised yet, that Maggi has moved the pictures of my new hybrids to their own section. I will be adding more as the season progresses, as well as adding ones that flowered in previous years but have not yet been seen by anyone. Thanks to all who have expresed opinions - it's always interesting to know people like as tastes vary so much
Paul
Paul Cumbleton's pleione hybrids are here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1440.0
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Lovely Hans !
No sign of Forrestii here yet.
Here's :
Pl. formosana 'Polar sun'
and
Pl. rakata 'Rockdove'
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You're dead right Rob - it IS quiet - many more people growing Pleione than post here I suppose :'(
But don't let this keep you from posting yours ! ;)
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Two beauties there Luc
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Just as I think good we can talk about things other than a green stalk with a little white blob on top the first Pleione I post is white.
Pleione Eiger(cream)
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Just as I think good we can talk about things other than a green stalk with a little white blob on top the first Pleione I post is white.
Pleione Eiger(cream)
;) :D ;D
Yes, but it is very pretty and easy to tell the difference between this and the Pleione formosana 'Polar sun' that Luc posted the other day!
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Beautiful Eiger Derek ! One I haven't got yet, will have to do something about that. ;D
And there's no risk we get white fever from looking at Pleiones ... :-X
We all look forward to your first Pleione Rob ! 8)
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Rob,
I posted Eiger 'To Ah' and Eiger 'To be' on page 2 of this thread.
I don't have 'to See', as I find it quite similer to 'To be'
They're from an identical cross as the original one by Ian Butterfield, made by the Dutch Orchid specialist Jan Berg, who sadly passed away a couple of years ago. If I remember rightly, he used P. formosana alba instead of the standard P. formosana used by Butterfield to cross it with P. humilis.
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Pleione Locking Stumps anf forrestii (one with a little white)
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Very nice Hans !
You had these gems well protected from the storm ! ;)
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nice plants Hans, here the next two in flower in our greenhouse:
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Now, please don't tell those Galanthophiles I said this: these white Pleiones are really lovely, aren't they? 8)
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I love your P. cairngorn Chris !
Here's some more from me :
1) Pleione alishan "Mothers Day"
2) Pleione leda - a very variable hybrid - this is the one I caught...
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it is a verry nice pale color of your P.alishan, Luc,
here is P.'Fuego' and another white one for you Maggi, P.'Clare'
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A healthy Pleione Zeus Weinstein and Rakata Rock Dove
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Love the form and tipped colour of Zeus Weinstein. Very nice!! The others aren't bad either!! ;D
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Here P. "Burnsall" (yunnanensis x aurita) is starting to flower. It is one of my favourite hybrids, very different (well, as expected from a cross between two unusual species) and much brighter pink than visible on the pictures. The flowers sit on tall stalks, and it multiplies very well - very rewarding, I would say.
Edit : I have reduced the size of your picture to remove the need to scroll across the screen to see the image. Maggi
Thanks, Maggi ! Some day I'll learn which is the right size....
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Hans,
Your Zeus Weinstein doesn't only look healthy, it's a very very nice clone too !!! Beautiful ! :o
Very nice P. "Burnsall" Michael, not one I grow so far, I guess I should consider it ;D
Here's some of mine flowering today (fortunately well sheltered from snow and hail succeeding to each other :
Pleione harlequin "Norman"
Pleione hekla "Locking Stumps"
Pleione ueli wackernagel
P. formosana "Polar sun" - shown earlier, now the whole bunch ;D
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Luc,
Absolutely super pics!! So clear and perfect. Beautiful Pleiones!! 8)
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Hi All,
Just found the forums from Paul's site. It's great to see so many other Pleione fans!
I'm amazed how many of you have things in flower at the moment, I've got one or two in heavy bud but nothing in flower. I am up near Manchester though.
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Hello, IKelly, great to have you join us! We're back in winter again here in North East Scotland :P.... what's it like with you down there in the " mid West" ??? ::)
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down there in the " mid West" ??? ::)
Mid-West I like it :)
not felt that "mid" for a bit it's either cold and wet or just plain cold at the moment!
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The most easily available treatment is any pesticide that contains the chemical Bifenthrin.
Hello again all,
This may well be old news but I've just done some searching for a pesticide with the chemical Paul mentions above to treat for brevipalpus and it's in rose clear3 which is available from Wilkinsons for those of you who may not get chance to get to a garden center for a while. I'm sure it is also available a Garden Centers but will hopefully save you some time when looking.
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I only grow two pleiones, so thought I'd post their photos.
'Shantung' and 'Doreen'
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Hello,
I am new in the forum here, at me they also start to flourish.
Pl. forrestii
(http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5361/forrestii2to3.jpg)
Unfortunately, I have lost 80% of my forrestii through mites.
Best wishes
Ivo
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Beautiful Pleione Rob and Ivo !
Great to see all these new Pleione addicts come out into the open ;D !
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Hi Ivo,
Very nice pic !
And sorry for your dead ones - I wasn't actually aware that mites could kill pleiones, I thought they'd just weaken them. Could you comment on this and maybe tell me how one can see they are there ?
These beasts are something I'm afraid of....brrr.....
Best regards from Munich !
Michael
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My latest to flower Pleione Bromo and Pleione Hekla partridge,
I am a little late this year I left them sleeping longer than usual.
I know Paul will know how cold can Pleiones go?
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My chin is still very sore from all this drooling and I have had to talk to myself, very severely, I just don't have the room to grow Pleiones. :(
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Nice flowers Derek !
I do like the very pronounced dark lip of P. hekla 'Partridge' - mine is still in bud though.
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I think it's time for some more Pleiones - good start to the weekend ! ;D
P. Speciosa - now called P. pleionoides
P. alishan "Mount Fuji"
P. shantung "Ducat"
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Nice plants Luc I like the Mount Fuji.
Derek
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Oh Luc, you are tempting me again. Lovely plants.
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Thanks fellas 8)
One day David.... one day..... ;D
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Here are some healthy Pleiones in a heavy wind - grandiflora and pleionoides
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Friends, I have grown this little orchid on my kitchen window sill for a few years now: I cannot remember its name :-[ I will sneak its photo here, among the pleiones..... which look like giants in comparison.... this little flower is about 2cms across and 2ms to p to bottom. Flower spike is about 7cms from first flower to tip bud. Leaves are maximum of 16 cms long, curved and with a fold along the midrib.
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Friends, I have grown this little orchid on my kitchen window sill for a few years now: I cannot remember its name :-[ I will sneak its photo here, among the pleiones..... which look like giants in comparison.... this little flower is about 2cms across and 2ms to p to bottom. Flower spike is about 7cms from first flower to tip bud. Leaves are maximum of 16 cms long, curved and with a fold along the midrib.
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Maggi,
Try looking into: Sarcochilus fitzgeraldii, hartmannii and their hybrid Fitzhart.
I'd have to delve into some books (some of which are in storage) to find out the difference between them.
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Kenneth, thank you! Yes, Sarcochilus rings a bell in my memory... I will make researches! Thanks!
It was S. hartmannii which seemd most familiar as a name and th is link is to a website with pix that are very close to my plant http://orchidorama.free.fr/01-janvier-juin/Sarcochilus%20hartmannii.jpg
Other pix have more red markings around the lip. I like the simple markings of this plant, very pure and so neat in size.
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Friends, I have grown this little orchid on my kitchen window sill for a few years now: I cannot remember its name :-[ I will sneak its photo here, among the pleiones..... which look like giants in comparison.... this little flower is about 2cms across and 2ms to p to bottom. Flower spike is about 7cms from first flower to tip bud. Leaves are maximum of 16 cms long, curved and with a fold along the midrib.
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Maggi the leaves would be helpful, and how big they are.
Sarcochilus fitzgeraldii could it be or something close to this an Orchid from Australia ( 11 species). It is an epiphyt or lithophyt.
Book: Australian Orchids van Noel Lothian en Rosa Fiveash.
(Maggi don't think the DM knows this himself. My friend Peter was at hand.) ;D :D 8)
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So, Peter, my thanks to you too! :-*
I have made an amendment to my post above.... I think that it is Sarcochilus hartmannii
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Definitely one of the Sarcs Maggi. A lovely little Aussie native!! We aussies do get around, don't we? ;D
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Rob if those are virused I wouldnt keep them in the same pot as all the others. You are asking for trouble
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Let me show you my Pleiomans (http://img362.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eef4814745a09a64077e031bl2.jpg):
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Lovely selection 'Danshi'
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Danshi
And not a virus to be seen.
I do not grow Pleiones at present - I think they need more attention than normal bulbs, but you have certainly whetted my appetite. Wonderful photos
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Hi Arthur,
Don't worry, many many hybrids are very easy and require very little attention. I'd recommend Tongariro for a start, which is bright coloured, floriferous and multiplies very well. If you want some contact me in autumn....
Best regards from Munich !
Michael
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Very nice collection Danshi ! :o
Are these hybrids your own crossings ?
Thanks for sharing it with us ! 8)
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Thanks for the compliments!
Luc, I wish they were my own crossings. Last year I crossed two of my Pleiones (grandiflora x Volcanello), and a friend sowed them for me in the end of February, but I don't know yet if the seeds were viable.
Greetings
Daniel
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Hi Daniel,
Pleione seeds do germinate very easy and early - after 2 weeks!
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Then I hope they did germinate already. I just didn't hear from my friend yet, maybe he's busy.
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Hi all, these are my first Pleione of the year. Pleione forrestii flowered first, then shantung ducat, hekla and grandiflora today. I've a few Pleione forrestii aborted and if anyone has any advice how to avoid this next year it would be greatly appreciated.
Pleione forrestii (below)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/Pleioneforrestii1st800.jpg)
Pleione forrestii (below)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/mainforrestii1800.jpg)
Pleione forrestii (below)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/forrestiblackbackground800.jpg)
Pleione shantung ducat (below)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/shantungducat2800.jpg)
Pleione hekla (below)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/heklamain2008800.jpg)
Pleione hekla (bowl) (below)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/heklabowl800.jpg)
Pleione grandiflora (below)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/grandiflorab800.jpg)
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Slug Killer
You are in danger of infecting me with another fever. Wonderful plants.
Where are you located, and where do you grow the pleiones?
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Slug Killer (I assume you DO have another name? ;D)
That first pic of forrestii in particular is absolutely glorious. Such a perfect clarity and colour. Beautiful!!! The others are great too, but I did want to comment on that first one. I do so hope to flower a real yellow one day, even if I never expect it to look THAT good!! :o 8)
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Beautiful flowers Slug killer (I agree with Paul - it might be nicer to use another name on the forum ;D)
If it's a consolation to you, I also have the problem with aborting forrestii flowers :'( - but the ones that do make it are glorious aren't they ? :o
As to your P. shantung "Ducat" - it does look a bit whitish to me - it should be a much more vivid yellow - or is it a trick of the photographer ???
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Ok my real name is not Slug Killer its Dave ;D. I live in near Telford UK and these Pleione were grown in my glasshouse. I store most of them in the fridge until potting up. Some I've never grown before like the Pleione grandiflora which I obtained from Pottertons earlier this year. The shantung does look white in the photo and did have more yellow in reality. I've only just bought a camera and I'm still trying to learn how to use it properly :). Been trying a few different methods, the black background and the more natural look with some moss and bark from the field next to me. I've got some Pleione saxicola coming in to leaf now. The bulbs looked awful when I got them but are starting to recover. As for the forrestii, very upsetting as I was hoping for a good show this year. My praecox are coming on well and look big and healthy. There will be plenty of other in flower soon.
Slug Killer Dave
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Some new Pleiones
A very open grandiflora, formosana and Rakata ?
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Hello, pleione fans; just to let you know there are some pleiones pix on the following threads:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1610.0 ...plants from the AGS North Midland Show, where the Farrer Medal went to a really super pot of Pleione grandiflora. 8)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1613.0 ...from the AGS Dublin Show
and several pix here from the SRGC Edinburgh Show ,
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1597.0
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Slug Killer
You are in danger of infecting me with another fever. Wonderful plants.
I started the collection on Friday, when I won Pleione 'Clare' in the raffle at an AGS Group meeting
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A lucky win, then Arthur! 'Clare ' is very pretty and should do well to found your new collection.
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Hello,
one confused xconfusa ;D
(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9138/xconfusa5uf0.jpg)
the next forrestii
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/445/forrestii4bj7.jpg)
Best wishes
Ivo
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Three more from me,
Pleione versailles heron,
Pleione deriba,
Pleione gerry munday
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A few of my latest.
Pleione bandai-san
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/bandisan.jpg)
Pleione formosana alba
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/formosanaalba.jpg)
Pleione formosana
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/formossana.jpg)
Pleione gerry mundey
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/gerry.jpg)
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Hello,
Pl. pleionoides "Blakeway Phillips"
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/962/53935151uv5.jpg)
Best wishes
Ivo
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Derek, Dave and Ivo,
Fantastic pics everyone!! Beautiful Pleiones. 8)
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Hi Rob
I had the same double flowers with some of my forrestii. I now cut the smaller one off as it's usually underdeveloped and causes problems with the main flower by getting in the way.
Today's bowl of gerry mundey
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/Gerrybowl800.jpg)
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This place is much more lively than last season !! :D
Great pix everyone - your bowl of Blakeway Philips looks gorgeous Dave !!
I've never seen a double flowered forrestii Rob - I raise the flag of victory when I have one ;D - it definitely remains a temperate species ???
Here's my P. versailles "Aphrodite"
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Here is a picture of double forrestii and the second picture is what it looked like after opening. You can just see the smaller second underdeveloped flower sticking out on the left. I normally cut them off before they get to this stage but thought I'd let this one go a bit further just to get some photo's. It was sniped off two minutes later.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/double800.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/800outside.jpg)
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Now some ordinary Pleiones
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Beautiful selection Hans !! :D
May I correct you though.... there's no such thing like an ordinary
Pleione ! 8)
They're all beauties in their own right ! ;D
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Very nice pictures, after seeing your Pleione versailles that's next on my listed to get. it look stunning.
David
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Great to see everyone's flowers - what a brilliant time of year!
I include a picture of some - supposedly - 'Surtsey' flowers. Its the ones at the back - one is a double header. They don't look too much like 'Surtsey' to me - very large and very Shantungesque!
can anyone enlighten me? I got the bulbs from Pottertons this year.
Apologies for the quality - they aren't staged too well.
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Sorry about that folks I pushed some wrong buttons there in all my excitement - the previous piccie is just a general group of some of my collection - hopefully this time I'll send you a piccy of the questionable Surtsey!
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one bulb with 4 flowers (grandiflora and forrestii)!
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Hello,
Pleione xtalliensis "Can Shan"
(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1580/xtalliensiscanshanzx9.jpg)
Best wishes
Ivo
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Hans !
How do you do it to get all these multiples ???? Quite astonishing.
Jonathan,
Your P. surtsey could very well be the real thing - it surely doesn't look all that different from P. surtsey "Stephanie Rose".
The general picture of your collection looks quite impressive !!
Thanks for posting everyone !
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Hi,
can anybody help me? a few pages back Paul Cumbleton mentioned that the pics of his new hybrids had been moved to another place. Where do I find it?
Many thanks.
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Hi, Maren,
the place to find all the pleione pages listed is here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?board=27.0 where you can check what is new etc.
Paul's own (fab) hybrids are here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1440.0
Enjoy!
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Hi, Pleione tongariro jackdaw taken today.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/tongarirojackdaw800.jpg)
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Magnificent photos everyone. Too many particularly nice ones in there to mention separately. Wonderful to see them all!! 8)
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I have a few of these which were a gift to me a few years ago, can anyone name it. Some have a much bigger long front lip which I will picture when open in a few days time.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/altunknown800.jpg)
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Absolutely lovely and so fun that there are so many that contributes with pictures.
I am really enjoying this so thanks to all :) :) 8)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Rob,
Hans posted a pic on the last page of this topic of rakata 'Shot Silk' that looks very little like yours. Either they can vary a lot or one of them isn't correct? The one I grow under the name 'Shot Silk' more resembles Hans, but I am aware that sometimes what is imported into this country is not necessarily correct. I just wanted to point it out to find out whether they really ARE that variable, and if not then maybe the correct name for the imposter can be found?
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Hi all,
This is what I have (from I. butterfield) as Pl. rakata 'Shot silk'
Flower was not fully open yet when I took the picture.
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Unknown Pleione with long lip and very intense colours.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/longlipfront800.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/longlipside800.jpg)
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Yes Rob - there seems to be some difference... can't take any more shots as this is last years bloom and this year there's leaf but no flower :-\ on P.R. shot silk.
Exquisite red pleione Dave - I would be tempted to say it's P. pleionoides - one of these magnificent red lipped cultivars - maybe someone else will confirm.
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Some Pleiones from today. I hope the names are correct.
Pleione spec. Sichuan
Pleione form. Lucy Diamond
Pleione Gerry Munday
Pleione Brigadoon
Pleione Britania Doreen
Pleione x barbarae
DSCF2719.
Pleione spec. China
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Hi Hans, Nice photo's and you have a good collection. I have a Lucy Diamond but mine is white! Not sure which it should be. Anybody have the answer?
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Two from me,
Pleione Hekla,
Pleione Krakatoa.
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Another open today,
Alisham Mount Fuji
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Rob,
If your Shot Silk is right for description then mine (and I assume Hans as it looks the same as mine) is not the same thing. intense colour, but very different to yours. It would seem that Hans got it from the same supplier as whoever imported it into Australia did apparently. A lovely flower, but doesn't match your description. Always difficult to know whether what we get here in Aus is correct, as I've mentioned before.
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Hi Hans, Nice photo's and you have a good collection. I have a Lucy Diamond but mine is white! Not sure which it should be. Anybody have the answer?
Yes, Lucy Diamond is white.
Here's a super clump of Pleione growing outside in Ian McEnery's garden. Not sure what? someone said straight
P limprichtii, or is it a hybrid? Ian?
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I cant match that for a group outside but here is one of my 'Shantung' that grow in the moss on the peat wall of my peat bed
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Super pictures everyone !
Great show ! :D
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Hello,
Pl. Vesuvius
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1866/vesuvius1ug4.jpg)
Pl. forrestii from vietnam
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9279/forrestiifromvietnam1ex4.jpg)
The next Pl. xtalliensis "Can Shan"
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8332/xtalliensiscanshan3gc1.jpg)
Best wishes
Ivo
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Vesuvius Phoenix today.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/vesuivius1800.jpg)
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Diane you are correct it is supposed to limprichtii or at least that it was bought as eons ago. I have some under glass but it seems to do even better outside if given a sheet of glass to keep the excess moisture during the winter.
I don't grow many pleiones but here is another acquired a couple of years ago rakata locking stumps
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I'm intrigued by the name 'rakata locking stumps' can anyone tell me how it came about please?
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Loving the pictures everyone.
Ivo,
That "Can Shan" looks like it sits on tall stems as well? I love the way the flowers sit up and look at you, unlike so many of the flowers which almost droop and on short stems (which have their own charm, but in some ways less impact). 8)
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Hi Paul,
Yes, this one has such long stems. This is an heir of yunnanensis.
Best wishes
Ivo
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Ivo,
So how tall actually are they? Never seen a "tall" Pleione before.
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Nice forrestii Rob. The red spots are nothing to worry about and sometimes happen, next year they will probably have gone again. You've done well getting it to flower this late as they would normally abort by now.
Fuego
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/fuego800.jpg)
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Some great plants again ! Nice potfuls too ! Thanks all !
Rob I wouldn't be too strict there and sit it out. As Paul Cumbleton pointed out much earlier in the thread - he's quite sceptic on virus on Pleione. Maybe you can keep it a bit away from the others, as you, I would hate to destroy it.
Here's two from me :
1) Pleione x barbarae
2) Pleione asama
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Rob - I am worried that you are annoyed with me as I sent you some Muriel Turner (I think)! Mine have grown and flowered well this year and some have shown the mottling you mention but others in the same pot do not. I have grown these for several years and cannot say with any certainty that they if this has always been the case (I some how feel it is.) None of the other pleiones that I grow show the same mottling and if it were a virus I would have thought they would have shown the same symptoms as well by now.
I am struggling to get pictures small enough to post! - I'll have to work on it.
(pic size edited by Maggi)
Pl. Marion Johnson
Pl. Muriel Turner
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I'm intrigued by the name 'rakata locking stumps' can anyone tell me how it came about please?
Look, I can't sleep properly, can anyone give me help? ;D
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Simon all you need to do is reduce the pixel width down to between 650 and 800 pixels wide. Those of us with small screens cant view images that are 2000 pixels wide without using the bottom scroll bar
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Thanks Rob and thanks for the photo tip Mark - have got carried away and posted some more - the forestii is really happy in the hanging moss ball (an experiment) and the shot silk is drooping as it cannot support 3 (yes three!) flowers.
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Don't know this ones name?
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/unknown800.jpg)
Dave
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Great show Simon - verry happy and healthy looking plants.
Good idea to put the forrestii in a "hanging basket" - that sure gives them the oxigen at the roots that they seem to enjoy so much. I'll definitely try it next season. How often have you already watered them ??
David, let me put you (partly) out of your misery ;D
Rakata is a 1982 hybrid from Ian Butterfield. He named (and names) all his hybrids after a volcano.
Rakata is a remnant of the famous Krakatoa volcano in Indonesia that was virtually destroyed in the eruption (explosion) of 1883. As to the "Locking Stumps" part - sorry - I have no clue - but I bet somebody else will have... ;)
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I'm intrigued by the name 'rakata locking stumps' can anyone tell me how it came about please?
Look, I can't sleep properly, can anyone give me help? ;D
Rainer Kretz named this clone when he used to live at Locking Stumps - ? a village near warrington. He also used to offer Hekla "Locking Stumps." (I am going by an old address.)
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I'm intrigued by the name 'rakata locking stumps' can anyone tell me how it came about please?
Look, I can't sleep properly, can anyone give me help? ;D
Rainer Kretz named this clone when he used to live at Locking Stumps - ? a village near warrington. He also used to offer Hekla "Locking Stumps." (I am going by an old address.)
Many thanks to Luc and also to Pete (welcome to the Forum) on his first post. Little did I think, when raising this issue, that there would be a connection between Krakatoa and a small village near Warrington! On reflection though, having visited Warrington some years ago, it was not difficult to believe that it had been hit, and very recently, by a pyroclastic flow ;D Sincere appols to any Forum members from Warrington!!
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;D ;D ;D
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Hello,
@Paul, the stems are approx. 11 cm long, see picture.
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5507/xtalliensiscanshan4qr6.jpg)
These have blossomed out today.
Pl.grandiflora
(http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4600/grandiflora1qz5.jpg)
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2439/grandiflora3sh6.jpg)
Best wishes
Ivo
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Good idea to put the forrestii in a "hanging basket" - that sure gives them the oxigen at the roots that they seem to enjoy so much. I'll definitely try it next season. How often have you already watered them ??
I have not really shown any of them any water yet as no real roots yet - a few drips to soften the moss in the ball that the forestii are in. My plan is to just let them bulk up in there and not re-pot.
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Welcome, Pete and thanks for your assistance in the 'Locking Stumps' question... I thought I was going to have to phone David and sing the poor soul to sleep :P
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Simon,
It was interesting to see the flowering potential of Pln. Rakata 'Shot Silk'. What was the feeding regime in the previous season, do you think that that is the cause of the flowering?
David
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Some new flowerimg Pleiones. I hope the names are correct.
Pleione Askia
Pleione aurita
Pleione formosana alba - hardy
Pleione Irazu Cheryl
Pleione Kilauea Curlew.
Pleione Myojin
Pleione Rubby Wedding
Pleione Tongariro
Pleione Versailles Bucklebury
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And the last Pleiones for today!
Pleione Vesuvius Phoenix
Pleione x barbarae a
Pleione x barbarae
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A nice line up you have there Hans ! :o
I especially like 'Ruby wedding' - haven't seen it before !
Very spectacular red lip you're showing there Dave - Pleionoides ????
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I had thought your mystery plant, Slug Killer - was the same as mine but am not so sure now (mine currently goes under the label "Mag's mystery 3" - identified the other two.
Can anyone help me identify it? I thought it was rather like the P bulbocodioides - pale clone on Paul's site.
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Simon, are you referring to Dave/Slugkiller's flower in this post : Re: Pleiones -2008 (New Forum section)
« Reply #165 on: April 27, 2008, 04:44:34 PM » ?
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My latest two please excuse the mixing bowl sign but at 35p they are a cheap bowl and you can see the roots when they grow.
Pleione Santonni,
Pleione Orinoco.
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Sorry got the twichy finger.
this is Pleione Santonni
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My latest two please excuse the mixing bowl sign but at 35p they are a cheap bowl and you can see the roots when they grow.
Do you have Yorkshire blood in your veins Derek? ;D
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My latest two please excuse the mixing bowl sign but at 35p they are a cheap bowl and you can see the roots when they grow.
Good to see you exercising a proper thrift, Derek.... and Pleiones and other epiphytic orchids do not seem to mind their roots being exposedto daylight, so no problem with that. 8)
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Simon, are you referring to Dave/Slugkiller's flower in this post : Re: Pleiones -2008 (New Forum section)
« Reply #165 on: April 27, 2008, 04:44:34 PM » ?
Yes - sorry I didn't make myself clear!
Tomorrow I hope that chunii and aurita should be open for the first time - I am particularly excited about chunii as I have yet to see it in the flesh. I shall post pictures.
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I think I may have to give up looking at this thread... all these lovely flowers, so many of which we USED to have but no longer do, it's TOO depressing :'(
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Glad to see you join the forum Pete now people will know where I got Rakata "locking stumps" from ;D ;D
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Formosana lucy diamond
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/formosanalucydiamond800.jpg)
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My latest two please excuse the mixing bowl sign but at 35p they are a cheap bowl and you can see the roots when they grow.
Do you have Yorkshire blood in your veins Derek? ;D
David no I have always lived within 15 miles of Lidfield where I was born many years ago.
Derek.
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Hi Rob
No, I believe Lucy Diamond is meant to be white. If you do a search on the net you will find several pictures of it.
Regards
Dave
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Rainer Kretz named this clone when he used to live at Locking Stumps - ? a village near warrington. He also used to offer Hekla "Locking Stumps." (I am going by an old address.)
Welcome Pete. The forum is in for a treat if Pete can post pictures of his pleiones.
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Simon,
Your plant does look very much like a P. bulbocodioides. Rob's could be P. pleionoides, or a hybrid - if the latter it is almost impossible to name some of these - there are a large number that are this colour scheme - pink or mauve with red spots on the lip, all looking very similar. I have a pet name for all of these - I call them JAPPs - Just Another Pink Pleione!
Paul
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Welcome, Pete and thanks for your assistance in the 'Locking Stumps' question... I thought I was going to have to phone David and sing the poor soul to sleep :P
Thank you all for your welcoming comments. As another pleione "nutcase" - I am happy to contribute to the site. I have struggled to find a way to downsize my pics, I hope these show that I have succeeded;
Pl. Brigadoon
chunii
Erebus
formosana "Clare"
grandiflora
formosana "Cairngorm"
Rakata "Keith Rattray"
(I have more.)
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Pete, you have succeeded very well in your resizing of these lovely pix, thank you. We will be happily waiting for you to show us more 8)
I wonder why I find 'Cairngorm' so beautiful..... ??? ::) :D
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Welcome to the Forum Pete. Posting pictures like those though you're doing nothing to help my obsession not to have another obsession ;D
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The second pic shows Rakata "Shot Silk" grown unprotected outside and is significantly paler & pinker than those kept in a cold greenhouse. (I find all Rakatas & Tongariro to be absolutely hardy.)
I have found it difficult to capture the depth of yellow colour of Shantung "Ducat" - this is the best I have acheived.
Rakata Shot Silk
IMGP2604 copy
Rakata Locking Stumps
Shantung Top Score
Shantung Ducat
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The second pic shows Rakata "Shot Silk" grown unprotected outside and is significantly paler & pinker than those kept in a cold greenhouse. (I find all Rakatas & Tongariro to be absolutely hardy.)
I have always wanted the courage to try some outside - I once found P bulbocoideoides outside at Ness Gardens near Chester (not there now - shame - that part of the garden has been replanted). I always seem to loose a few Shantung Ridgeway every winter and I am not sure why.
What sort of temperatures have they endured and what sort of protection? I would love to emulate your success!
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Hello,
Pl. xbarbarae
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3170/xbabarae1cz4.jpg)
Pl. aurita
(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1323/aurita5st2.jpg)
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6899/aurita1re4.jpg)
Pl. Tolima Moorhen
(http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8233/tolimamoorhen1kk4.jpg)
Can anybody help me at it? Pl. unknow
(http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/7034/unbekannt1jx1.jpg)
Best wishes
Ivo
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A few more pix.
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Pleione bulbocodiodes
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/bulbocodiodes800.jpg)
Pleione aurita
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/aurita1800.jpg)
Dave
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Some Pleiones
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3 more from me
Pleione Littondale Oxnop,
Pleione Harlequin Norman,
Pleione Limprichtii.
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Dave, I have not posted any names because I do not know them (exept Pleione Shantung Ridgeway- first, aurita and limprichtii), they are all hybrids.
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Beautiful pix everyone ! :o
Derek,
I love Littondale oxnop - what a delicate flower. I have one too, but it has'nt flowered for the second consecutive year... :'(
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Pleione hookeriana
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/hook800.jpg)
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Hello,
Pl. xbarbarae
(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7717/xbarbarae21wf2.jpg)
Pl. pleionoides
(http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3427/pleionoides1ub7.jpg)
Best wishes
Ivo
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The second pic shows Rakata "Shot Silk" grown unprotected outside and is significantly paler & pinker than those kept in a cold greenhouse. (I find all Rakatas & Tongariro to be absolutely hardy.)
I have always wanted the courage to try some outside - I once found P bulbocoideoides outside at Ness Gardens near Chester (not there now - shame - that part of the garden has been replanted). I always seem to loose a few Shantung Ridgeway every winter and I am not sure why.
What sort of temperatures have they endured and what sort of protection? I would love to emulate your success!
Sorry Simon for the delay in answering your question.
My outdoor pleiones were not purposely planted & I think arose from bulbils thrown onto the garden with old pleione compost. The best clump is at the base of a witch hazel bush, so shaded & very dry in summer.They grow amongst houseleeks & a coarse moss. Otherwise no protection is given. Winter temperatures - I seem to recall getting down to approx. -10C & frequent frosts. All the bulbs sit happily ontop of soil enriched with humus. Slug damage is the main problem to new bulbs & flowers though.
If you have any surplus small bulbs - try them, I think you will be surprised how hardy they can be.
Regards Pete.
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Here are some pictures of the Butterfields stand at the Malvern show today.
The photos are taken inside a marquee so the light was poor
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Lovely display from Butterfields, there.
Heard on TV last night that Bob and Jackie Potterton hadn't quite managed to make it two in a row for their best exhibit in the floral marquee, but they had got a Silver Medal, while this time the Best Award went to Terry and Cath of Edrom Nursery.......only got a quick look at the exhibit but it seemed FAB!!
Well done to them all. 8)
Reginald Kaye, Hartside, Cottage Garden plants, and Avon Bulbs all did well too, I see from the "results" page of the Show!!
I see the AGS have won a silver medal too... well done all round, eh?
In the Show Gardens section, I see that a Karen Laing of Aberdeen has won a silver medal....I do not know this lady designer... must find out more ???
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Here are a few more pix from Ian Butterfields marvelous show stand at Malvern.
I forgot to note all the pleiones I photographed. I think the 3rd is Krakatoa "Wheatear".
I could not resist buying this Whakiri (Caroli x Kenya.) Only cost £6.
Also a few more of mine flowering - x barbarae ,formosana Oriental Splendour & I think a form of Shantung - can anybody put a clonal name to it?
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As usual, Ian put on a fantastic display. I'm sure the Krakatoa is 'Wheatear' - it's an interesting one because when the flowers first open the petals are pale yellow, but over time (and they are long-lasting) they change to pink. I made my own cross of Krakatoa and my seedlings do the same thing. Also, the petal colour on the Quizapu 'Peregrine' is odd - it is usually not pink like this. But I'm guessing this is a reaction to being stored in the fridge until before the show.
Paul
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Paul - the Quizapu photo has come out with rather pinker petals & should be more a more salmon pink colour as I recall. (I will blame the marquee light changes + my inferior camera skills.)
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Some Pleione hybrids and aurita
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One of the last
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Hans You have a great collection of pleiones as well as cyps.
Hope to see more of what You grow
Kind regards
Joakim
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A few hookeriana to go and then its all over until my Autumn flowering Pleione.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/hookerianalate800.jpg)
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2 different limprichtii and hookeriana
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My first Pleione praecox, a little early.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/Pleionepraecox800.jpg)
Dave
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My Pleione hookeriana are producing bulbils like I've never seen this year. I don't normally get anything like the amount shown in the pictures. Humilis are doing something similar but smaller. Both pictures are of hookeriana.
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/hook1800.jpg)
(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk81/SlugKiller/hook2700.jpg)
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Another Pleione saxicola out today.
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You're tempting me Dave, but I just don't have the room.
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Hi Dave,
Yes it sems to be a particularly good year for bulbil production, lots of my plants are producing a good crop. I wonder if it is something to do with the cooler summer? Also looking at your picture of your P. hookeriana I'm pretty sure that your bulbs are actually P. chunii; true P. hookeriana makes only small, globular-shaped bulbs whereas P. chunii makes much larger, pointed bulbs like the ones in your picture. Sorry if that disappoints you!
Paul
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Hi Paul, this does not disappoint me at all. Could you possibly tell more from the photo a little further up of one in flower as this is the flower from one of the bulbs in question. Pleione chunii or hookeriana?
Dave
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Ps- How small are Pleione chunii flowers? I thought P. chunii were much bigger than hookeriana. The picture of one in flower makes it look quite big but they were very small flowers compared to the rest of the pleione I grow.
Dave
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Spring is here now in New Zealand and the Pleione season has begun. First out of block for me is Pleione Hekla. This cross has a nice colour but the stems are short and the flowers nod. Next year I am tempted to try planting the bulbs in a basket to display the flowers better.
Look forward to see what else is around in the Southern Hemisphere.
David
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Nice Hekla David - I'm just as curious as you are as to what else will be shown here from the SH !
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Lots of Pleione saxicola coming out now :)
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Thought I'd take a look at my Pleione hekla today as some of the leaves are now going yellow. Think I may need a bigger pot next year as they seem to like my current mix :)
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Wow, lovely roots there, Dave! They are growing really well 8)
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I'm amazed at these Pleione hekla. The new flowering bulbs grew so large there was not enough room and I seem to have double FS bulbs which are slightly disfigured with two leaves from each 'double' bulb. Even more interesting is the size of the bulbils that were produced, they look near flowering size or FS-1.
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Dave,
why do you remove the Pleiones so early (the leaves are green and the bulbs have strong roots)?
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Hi, the photo is deceptive, most of the leaves were very yellow not green. I often remove from the mix when yellow and the leaves will soon fall off. Once they are yellow there are going in to dormancy anyway and the roots will soon shrivel up.
I find the bulbs suck up all the nutrients of the leaves and I've had no ill effects doing this for many years now.
Dave
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A little bonus colour from P. praecox leaves at present. Hopefully a bud will follow soon.
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The Pleione flowering season is progressing along with the Orchid Spring Show season. I was able to get to the Manawatu Orchid Society Show last weekend and photographed some of the Pleiones on display. My plants are a little behind these ones but I am told that they are doing well. At present they are being looked after as I had a "trip I will never forget" to the UK and Ireland in July/August. (Taking scenic photos can be hazardous to your health or at least your ankle :()
Below are some Pleiones that a grower got from Blue Mountains Nurseries this year.
More photos will be in the next post.
David
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Manawatu Show continued
Jenny Mair is a member of the SRGC and has been growing Pleiones for many years. She put in several bowls into the Club display. Here are a few photos of her Pleiones.
David
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Great show David ! :D
Thanks a lot for sharing - we've got another 6 months to go before we can enjoy ours again... this helps to build the bridge.
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A bridge to New Zealand? Seems to me a tunnel would be much quicker.
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A bridge to New Zealand? Seems to me a tunnel would be much quicker.
;D ;D
Pleione praecox out today.
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Pleione x Lagenaria "confirmation"
Lots of these beauties now coming into flower.
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Real beauties !!! :D
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Hello, Eric, great to have you posting! Thanks!
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Hi Eric, very nice Pleione. Not got these in my collection yet.
David
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Wonderful Pleiones! My x laggenaria, praecox, saxicola and maculata are green, no flowers are seen. What are you doing so they will flower so early?
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Hi Hans
The simple answer is - I don't know? One of my praecox was in flower over a month ago and most of my saxicola are flowering or finished. No sign of anything with my maculata yet.
Can only put it down to a strange summer we have had in the UK.
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These autumn flowering Pleiones really are beautiful, if a tad more difficult to grow than the Spring flowering ones. It would be worth pointing out that there has been a little confusion regarding names for some of these. Pleione x lagenaria is a wild, natural hybrid between P. maculata and P. praecox. This cross has also been made artificially, first registered by the late Jan berg from Holland. He named the artifically produced ones Pleione Confirmation. This helps us differentiate between the wild ones and the man-made ones. Any plants of this cross collected in the wild should be called Pleione x lagenaria, while all the ones that are man-made should be called Pleione Confirmation. It would be wrong to write for example "Pleione x lagenaria 'Confirmation'" because this suggests that "Confirmation" is a selected clone from a wild population, which is incorrect.
My own praecox and lagenarias are producing buds but none has yet opened.
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Hi Hans
"Confirmation" is very early this year and did not flower before mid-November last year !!. I have had these in flower in October , but not this early . Confirmation clones do vary in the amount of pink colouration and I have included a picture of a near white clone that has just a flush of pink. I find these , in cultivation , on a par with Praecox and give a little early heat to get them started . This has been a very good year for them with several large bulbs having three flowering shoots.
Maculata should be in flower next week and Praecox not far behind.
Eric
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The first Pleione praecox this year
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Hello,
Pleione x lagenaria
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/541/xlagenaria3xy6.jpg)
Best wishes
Ivo
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I was very luckey when I got to see one in the wild last year. Pleione precox in Lachung walley in Northen Sikkim 13th of October 2007.
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My P. maculata seems to start flowering bud, do you still water them a little or not at all ?
I keep them outside for the moment, min temp is about 4°C : to less or Ok ?
Thank's
Fred
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Hello,
Pleione maculata
(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2992/maculatahc5.jpg)
Best wishes
Ivo
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Fred, no-one is coming forward yet with an answer to you... my feeling is not to water pleiones until there is good leaf growth.... though this is not to say I would have the pots VERY dry, perhaps only a very little moisture, to keep any emerging roots from dessicating, but not enough to allow rot to begin, which happens easily with pleiones, I think.
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Many thank's Maggy ! :)
It's my way of cultivation for Pleiones but I have no experience with autumn flowering ones !
I'll keep you informed and may be a picture.... in some days !
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Hi Fred,
I've never grown P.maculata but I've heard and read it likes it warmer than the other Pleiones.
Keeping them at +4 as you write seems pretty chilly for them.
+13/15°C in Winter seems to do the trick.
Happy growing !
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Fred, I have little experience myself of the autumn-flowering types, but I thought to give you what I "thought" would be the case..... now, of course, when you and I think we are being sensible to use the same method as with the spring growers, one of the exper ::)ts will come and tell us different..... where are you, experts?? !!
Luc, I too have heard that warmer is better.... but as much as 13 or 14 degress? That seems high? :-\
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Thank's all !
P. maculata is now in the greenhouse, under light !
temp is minimum 12°C ;D
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Hi Fred,
I agree that 4 degrees is too cold for P. maculata. It comes from lower altitudes than most other pleiones and prefers winter temperatures no lower than about 8 to 10 centigrade. I think they do better if even warmer than that, so Luc's suggestion of 13 to 15 is not too much - though perhaps these are dyatime temperatures, with night time going no lower than 10. People who grow a range of orchids seem to grow this species better than us so-called Pleione specialists and this is because they treat it as a "cool" growing orchid, which for them means in a house with 10 centigrade as the lowest temperature. Some of them even keep them in their "intermediate" houses and they do equally well.
As for watering, I stop watering maculata at the same time as the other pleiones and keep it dry through the winter - or sometimes I give the tiniest amount of water down the very edge of the pot to give new roots (which start growing earl) something to aim for.
Paul
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Many Thank's Paul,
and congratulation for your web site !
As I also grow a lot of caudex in the greenhouse, with minimum temp around 10°C, I suppose they will be fine in this place !
Best,
Fred
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Hi Fred,
I have my maculata stand at 10-14 ° now. However, I pour her a little from time to time, too.
best wishes
Ivo
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Pleione praecox, an interesting form
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Pleione praecox, an interesting form
A lovely lady in a dancing dress, Hans!
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Very nice Hans !!
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Advice needed. When I was cleaning up my Pleione collection by removing the dead leaves, I discovered two large seed pods. How does one go about planting these? I have always assumed that this requires specialist knowledge and treatment.
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Hi Tom !
You're absolutely right, it is specialist work.
Please have a look at Paul Cumbleton's site - he has some pages explaining about growing Pleione from seed.
http://www.pleione.info/
Good luck !
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I had a look at the site but this is not for me ! Any seeds that I plant are on their own - if they germinate good and well, but they have to do it without my help. Growing Pleiones from seed looks as easy as stem cell research and requires almost the same laboratory conditions. I will just buy more bulbs - these I can handle !
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Tom, nothing ventured, nothing gained as they say..... you have the seed pods...why not have a try ..... my suggestion is to have a look around your frames/garden for an old seedpot ( that is to say, a pot that has had seed sown in it, but the seed has not germinated)........
if you find such a pot, and the original occupants don't look to be willing to sprout AND that pot has got some nice moss growing on it ( now, you may be too clean and tidy a gardener for this, but I know we could find quite a few pots answering that description around here!!)........... take out any weed seedlings that are going to grow large ( if there is, for example,a viola seedling, leave it, if there's a Papaver rupifragum, pull it!)(These two are common weeds here!) then sow the pods on the surface of the moss and stow away somewhere under a bench in the greenhouse, or at the back of a cold frame (covered) and wait........who knows, it may work..... this unlikely method works with a few thins with tiny seed.... some of the ericaceaous stuff etc. We used to sow that seed in pots of fresh chopped moss, but the birds went into the (open) frames and threw everything around too much. I think the pleione seed would just appreciate the extra protection from being under cover, too... but the point of using an old seed pot is that even if a bird gets into the glass house, they don't pick the same way at the firmer surface of a pot with just a moss layer growing on top. I'd give it a go! ::)
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Far from even being an expert I have heard/read that it would be possible to grow pleione seeds on top of moss.
I think Maggi's suggestion is even better and most garden soil do have fungi in it so the idea is solid on a theoretical point I think.
Good luck
Kind regards
Joakim
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And now for something completely different....
Just as a matter of interest, I've been looking at some Pleione on e-bay lately -
What goes on there is totally and utterly insane - a point that was discussed last year on the subject of Galanthus.
To my immense surprise people are bidding up to 2 or 3 times the price for hybrids that are readilly available in the normal professional trade from people like Ian Butterfield, Rob Potterton, etc... Does anybody have an idea why on earth people do that ?? ??? ???
Selling bulbils also seems to have become very popular...
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Hi Luc
It may come as a surprise to you that the ebay prices for Pleione this year have settled generally to a more reasonable level !!! In past years they have been "insane" as the prices were for snowdrops early in the year . Prices are still above commercial ones but the thrill of bidding and receiving a package in the post are all factors for this . Also the ease of payment using Pay - Pal must affect bidding ,combined with the fact that many bidders are from the continent where few sources are easily available to them.
From a sellers point of view (As a frequent seller over the past few years ) - It is great fun selling on ebay where one can easily finance the purchasing of new stock . Make many new friends / contacts for exchanges of plants, sources and ideas . Sell spare bulbs and bulbils.
Eric
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I think the reason that ebay prices can be very high is that lots of people, who may not be specialist gardeners but who "discover", probably via a TV programme, that galanthus or pleiones are beautiful and collectable, are intrigued by these plants and want to have them... but... these plants are not readily available, even from specialist nurseries( which these non-gardeners wouldn't know about, anyhow)so..... they find some on Ebay... and bingo! There are plants to be "fought" over in the fun of an auction, easy method of sending payment, via paypal, as Eric says, and what could be more attractive for a shopping frenzy? Also there is the attraction of ebay for distant buyers, again as Eric says.... it's a very convenient way to buy and sell.... when the transaction goes well, that is! ::)
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I think Maggie, Eric and Rob have given good explanations of ebay prices. For anyone reading this who may not be familiar with what they "ought" to be paying for Pleiones, assuming they buy from a specialist nursery, here are some guidelines (prices for a single flowering size bulb):
Common species, or hybrids £3 to £6 (The hybrids may well not be named cultivars; where they are they will be ones that have been available for many years)
Less common species or hybrids, including named cultivars that have been around for just a few years £10 to £15
Newer species or hybrids that have been available for only 2 or three years £15 to £20
New or rare species, and hybrids being released for the first time: £25 to £30, or even more if they are something really special.
Having been raising my own pleiones from seed for 10 years now, I appreciate the amount of work and time that goes into making new hybrids and getting them to the point where there is enough stock to release for sale. Knowing this, I think the prices that the specialist nurseries charge are very reasonable, especially when you compare them to the prices you would pay for a new release of almost any other kind of orchid!
Paul
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I guess this just about sums it all up !
Thanks for the input everyone !
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My first winter Pleione hybrid ever. Pleione wharfdale
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Hi Rob
No this is a winter flowering hybrid. Sorry if I worded that wrong as I meant its the first winter flowering Pleione I've ever had in my collection.
David
e-mail me Rob if you are still after some pumice.
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Great flower Dave !
I've got the same, but it's not even showing a bud yet... ???
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Just a few comments on Pleione prices. I've seen Pleione forrestii alba from a couple of commecial outlets advertised at £150 a couple of years ago. You can still finde some trying to sell Pleione and hardy orchids at insane prices. I'd be very wealthy if i could sell Dactylorhiza majalis at £30 :)
ANyway, the excitment of receiving a package is even better if oy uhave paid a fair prices or traded with others.
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I'm after some advice. My shantungs have now lost their leaves (recent frost (-6c). Is there any special winter care: do I have to move to dry environment or should I just leave nature to take its course. I 'm concerned that frost might affect the bulbs. Any general advice welcome.
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Hi Frazer,
You'd better get them dry and frostfree right now ! :o
I hope it's not too late yet.
Mine have never been exposed to -6°C so I have no experience how they will cope.
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Luc
Thanks - I'm off out now!!
Frazer
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I have formosanum growing in the garden with little protection from winter wet, but that doesn't mean that Shantung will be able to handle the same conditions. I've have exposed Shantung to frost, but only when it was dry. And mean completely dry.
Kind regards
Lars
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I know Dave has already posted a picture of Pl. Wharfdale, but I want to show off mine to. A "cracking" coloured lip.
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I know Dave has already posted a picture of Pl. Wharfdale, but I want to show off mine to. A "cracking" coloured lip.
....and a super photo !
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Yes that is a cracking lip on your Pln.wharfdale.
Dave
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I have followed Paul Cumbleton's excellent advice on his website, on how to sow Pleione seed. However 5 out of 6 of my flasks became contaminated by fungi & bacteria, reflecting my poor seed transfer technique.
Fortunately I then came across a good article by Christian Koch on the Danish orchid forum (http://forum.orkideer.dk/viewtopic.php?t=759 ), who shows a very neat way of sterilising & then injecting the seed into one's flask, greatly reducing the risk of failure.
The silicone sealer plug seal survived autoclaving without problem.
However, you need to inject the seed in only a very small amount of water, 0.2mls, otherwise the seed swims around ontop of the medium.
Now fingers crossed.
The surplus seed from my first attempt was squirted onto a nice moss covered brick block that I found in the garden. This was placed & sealed inside a plastic bag, 4 weeks on & I am convinced that I can see (with a good magnifying glass) some seed greening up.
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Hi Rob
Wharfedale
Pln. Hekla x Pln. Lassen Peak
A. D. Smith
1993
Lassen Peak
Pln. praecox x Pln. x lagenaria
I. Butterfield
1985
x lagenaria
Pln. maculata x Pln. praecox
hort. (natural hybrid)
Dave