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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Anne Repnow on February 13, 2014, 02:08:09 PM
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I know, I know... no lovely flowers to show as yet. :-\
But as this thread is sure to be opened at some stage I thought I'd start it with a couple of odd seedlings of Paeonia mascula spp. russoi. They are from the same plant but two seedlings have produced a green, two a yellow leaf. Strange... ::)
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It's tempting - if you like such things - to look forward to an entirely gold-foliaged Paeonia but more likely, if the yellow continues for a few more leaves, that the plant will die as a result of having too little chlorophyll. I've had a few such seedlings myself over the years. There was an all pale yellow Primula alpicola, and a Silene uniflora both of which died within a few months. I've tried to root the colourless cuttings on S. u. 'Druett's variegated' as well (when I say colourless I really mean pale yellow finely edged with pink as are the leaves on the whole plant) but have not succeeded with a single one yet the others from the same plant with even just a little green, root very quickly and well, in just a couple of weeks in fact.
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Thank you, Lesley, for your experience!
I feared something like that. But then .... it's a living (or dying... :-\) example of natural selection... I'll try to keep the yellow seedlings going but my hopes have just dropped.
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Sorry about that Bolinopsis. There are of course, all yellow hostas, though not many with no green at all. I have one called 'Sun Power' and it is definitely all pale yellow but tends to burn badly in sunshine so that it needs some shade But in shade the yellow is a little greener, so it's swings and roundabouts, so to speak.
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After about 20 years of searching and checking hundreds of plants in nature I thought it was a myth that Paeonia cambessedesii forma alba exists.
Then, about 5 years ago I finally was given two very tiny seedlings which did not show the typical reddish colour in stems or leaves - and yesterday I took the first pictures of the white buds. This made my day (and the whole week ;D).
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Congratulations on your discovery, Hans. Maybe the unique in culture?
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That's beautiful Hans.
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This made my day (and the whole week ;D).
I can imagine, it is beautiful on top of being a rarity. :)
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So more pictures please when the flowers are open. It will be a great thrill to see.
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- and yesterday I took the first pictures of the white buds. This made my day (and the whole week ;D).
wow Hans, wonderful, and please: more photos ! ;D
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Thanks a lot for your comments.
Congratulations on your discovery, Hans. Maybe the unique in culture?
Do not know if there are more around - as I have been told a white one was collected on the balearic islands by a botanist, this one had one(?) white seedling which was the podparent of my plant - both mature plants were finally lost in cultivation.
Today flower opened.
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:D :D
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First another Paeonia cambessdesii wich will flower soon - and a picture of Paeonia cambessedesii f. alba from today - definitely one of the most beautiful plant i have ever seen... :D
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First another Paeonia cambessdesii wich will flower soon - and a picture of Paeonia cambessedesii f. alba from today - definitely one of the most beautiful plant i have ever seen... :D
:o Stunning plant indeed Hans !
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Do not know if there are more around - as I have been told a white one was collected on the balearic islands by a botanist, this one had one(?) white seedling which was the podparent of my plant - both mature plants were finally lost in cultivation.
Today flower opened.
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INCREDIBLE!
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Great success Hans ! Congratulations, it's a lovely plant !
Here is a more common species, but my favorite one, P. clusii, from Crete.
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one of my Paeonia obovata with perfect bowl-shaped flowers
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I should have posted this one here. Paeonia Mairei
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11638.msg303231#msg303231 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11638.msg303231#msg303231)
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one of my Paeonia obovata with perfect bowl-shaped flowers
Really nice, I love the white form of P.obovata. Is that ssp obovata or ssp willmottiae? The habitus and leaves look nice too,but the flowers are really perfect.
P.mairei is also very nice, alla peonies are :), I will have to wait for maybe two more years before my seedlings of P.mairei will flower.
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@leena
you remember our last year discussion about obovata ssp. ;D ;) can't say what subspecies. the lower leaf indumentum is pubescent (very short hairs, none too easy to perceive). so maybe ssp. obovata could be possible.
her another obovata of chinese origin (first flowering, so only a single flower)...the leaf indumentum is much more hairy than my obovata in my posting before. and now? for me the subspecies level is of no importance. ;)
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Paeonia ostii, very floriferous but only few seeds and very slow to
germinate. (In my experience)
P. officinalis and P. mascula with rather small flowers, due to the
extremely dry weather.
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Paeonia chamaeleon, the flowers fade rather quick in
their short life.
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Rudi! we have never seen such a large clump of P. ostii with so many flowers- so beautiful. 8)
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The only obovata I have seen from Chen Yi have all been ssp. willmottiae.
Rudi, I get seedlings coming up all over under my ostii, but none are as floriferous as your plants yet. They are only 7 years old in the new garden, but the originals in the old garden are now 13.
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Wonderful ostii Rudi. I hope one day mine will as good
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@leena
you remember our last year discussion about obovata ssp. ;D ;) can't say what subspecies. the lower leaf indumentum is pubescent (very short hairs, none too easy to perceive). so maybe ssp. obovata could be possible.
her another obovata of chinese origin (first flowering, so only a single flower)...the leaf indumentum is much more hairy than my obovata in my posting before. and now? for me the subspecies level is of no importance. ;)
I had to look up your pictures from last year :), the first white obovata with bowl shaped flowers is even nicer than any that you showed then, but I also like the the second white obovata, especially the leaves.
To me the name is also not so important, other than when I see a wonderful peony I start to think that by what name would I be able to find it (or seeds) for me. ;D
By the way, just last week I noticed a seedling in a pot labeled P.obovata 'Alba', sown winter 2013 from SRGC seeds exchange seeds, so now follows a three to four year wait to see what it looks like.
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Paeonia chamaeleon, the flowers fade rather quick in
their short life.
Very nice pinks, my P.chameleon has whitish flowers, but true, they flower for a very short time.
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Dear friends, thank you all for the friendly comments.
I did not know, that my P.ostii is more floriferous than
other specimen. A very kind and generous plantsman
presented this plant as a potted seedling some years
ago to me.
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A generous friend indeed, Rudi!
I am thrilled by the photos of all your species peonies. (Mine are all babies so far.)
A bit brash in comparison, I know - but spectacular: Paeonia suffructicosa 'Shimane Chojuraku'. Today's wind and rain ruined the display, though...
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Thank you Anne, your Paeonias are also real giants.
Attached are 2 photos, I have no name for the red tree peony,
maybe one of the experts can help me.
The other one is P. arietina alba.
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Attached are 2 photos, I have no name for the red tree peony,
maybe one of the experts can help me.
- Sorry Rudi, I'm no expert here. Nevertheless I add a few pics from Erich Pasches garden.
The mlokosewitschii was an extraordinary clolour form.
Gerd
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To me the name is also not so important, other than when I see a wonderful peony I start to think that by what name would I be able to find it (or seeds) for me. ;D
By the way, just last week I noticed a seedling in a pot labeled P.obovata 'Alba', sown winter 2013 from SRGC seeds exchange seeds, so now follows a three to four year wait to see what it looks like.
good luck. Leena ;)
I have some paeonia seedings from Mr. greenspam in my garden :) :) and a P. obovata is in flower.
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This is a seedling from my sister, three years in my garden
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Paeonia maifleuri
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P. Rocks GB
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A very dark P. rockii
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Paeonia ostii
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.. and a very dark one from Japan named P. suminoichi ;)
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Paeonia daurica subsp. macrophylla, flowering a few weeks ago at the Jardin Botanique de Lyon
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and Paeonia decomposita in my private garden :)
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You are lucky people to be enjoying all these superb paeonies 8)
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Very nice peonies all. :) Here it is still couple of weeks wait for the earliest of the herbaceous peonies to start flowering.
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I had better say this is Paeonia delavayi. When I posted pics of this last year I said it was Paeonia delavayi ssp. angustiloba but this year I unearthed a label which said "P. delavayi ssp. lutea from seed from Hans Joschko sown 12/06/06"
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Paeonia delavayi flowering here:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7349/14004607628_2fb2cbd9f7_o_d.jpg)
The second plant is a garden seedling which I suspect is a hybrid of P. delavayi and P. ludlowii:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5078/14191270515_a26d77b90a_o_d.jpg)
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Steve very nice delavay flowers, you sure have capture the beauty there ...hybrid looks fatastic too beautiful colour.
cheers
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Paeonia Rockii, the plant.
Paeonia Rockii, the flower.
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Paeonia Rockii, the plant.
Paeonia Rockii, the flower.
A stunning Peony Michael!
Mine was also looking good, the flowers this year are huge.
When I eventually got round to taking some photographs the blue sky was replaced by dark ominous clouds.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5582/14004608308_ccd6c5dc33_o_d.jpg)
Then the heavens opened up and we were hit by a hail storm!
End of Peony flowers:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5592/14004608068_29930663bd_o_d.jpg)
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Gorgeous flowers, what a pity - but what a good thing you took photographs!
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Today a new paeonia is in flower "Jack Frost"
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Tree peony time : See Jim McKenney's beautiful display of cut blooms from his Maryland garden - and clever tip for enjoying these blooms for longer than Steve G. Did in his garden - here : http://mcwort.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/tree-peony-time.html (http://mcwort.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/tree-peony-time.html)
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Wonderful paeonies everyone. A couple flowering for me now:
Paeonia 'molly the witch'
Paeonia 'Little Red Gem'
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Here the first peony to flower this year was P.kavachensis two days ago and today pink P.obovata and P.veitchii have also started to flower. :)
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Paeonia "Souvenir de Maxime Cornu"
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Paeonia "White Innocence" is in flower ;)
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Tree peony time : See Jim McKenney's beautiful display of cut blooms from his Maryland garden - and clever tip for enjoying these blooms for longer
Just ordered a new fridge: Should have been much larger ;-)
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Irm, 'White Innocence' looks very nice. :)
Here the species have started to flower in the past week, first P.kavachensis, then P.obovata which went by very quickly because of the heat. P.kavachensis kept it's flowers much better in warm weather, I wish I had more of the mascula type peonies.
P.daurica ssp mlokosewitchii is also flowering and P.anomala, second generation from the wild collection, is growing very well and forming a large clump, I can imagine how good it will look in a few more years.
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A little advice required please,my early windflower has now grown to large for the position I have it in,so think I will have to split it and move somewhere else,what do you suggest??...........................
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A little advice required please,my early windflower has now grown to large for the position I have it in,so think I will have to split it and move somewhere else,what do you suggest??...........................
Not a good idea at all, Chas - I think you should dig the whole plant up and send it to me!! ;D ;D ;D ;)
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Paeonia (Peony) lactiflora 'Shirley Temple'
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;) I like that Maggie...............................would you like some??
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;) I like that Maggie...............................would you like some??
Well, I would, Chas, but my Boss the BD will tell me there is no room for more paeonies and he rules with a rod of bulbs, as you know! :'(
Very kind of you to offer though, I do appreciate that. :-*
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A little advice required please,my early windflower has now grown to large for the position I have it in,so think I will have to split it and move somewhere else,what do you suggest??...........................
Splitting is best done in the autumn, from August to October :). If you split it now it will not grow well this summer, but it will recover though it takes more time (a year or two) than if you split it in the autumn.
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Many thanks Leena.............................I shall now wait a while ;D
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My late-flowering P.obovata has flowered in the past week. It's flowers are quite small, but it is still nice in the woodland bed.
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In the beginning of May this Peony flowered. I have raised it from seed collected in Turkey, and wonder if it could be P. mascula, which I think is quite common there ?
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There are also two pictures of what I received through a seed exchange as Paeonia ostii, but maybe it's just a P. x suffruticosa. What do you think ?
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Paul, I hope someone can identify your peony, it looks a very lovely plant. My P.masculas are young and haven't flowered yet so I don't have experience with that species and can't say about your plant.
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Here's a question for Paeonia aficionados out there. I recently acquired a piece of a Paeonia delavayi. It was a small side shoot on a large clump, which when we tried to dig up we discovered ran back under ground to the main tuber of a nearby big one. Rather than disturb the whole plant we simply pulled this offshoot and it snapped cleanly away from the main clump. It has a few small roots on the underground section, which is quite long compared with the above ground section, but apart from that is little more than a cutting really. I potted it up quickly in a gritty mix. What would you say are the chances of this actually surviving and growing on? Slim to nil? 50:50? Fair?
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In the beginning of May this Peony flowered. I have raised it from seed collected in Turkey, and wonder if it could be P. mascula, which I think is quite common there ?
Paul, long hairs on carpels and wide-elliptic or oblong, biternate leaves with some leaflets segmented, and collected in the area you describe should identify it as P. mascula ssp. mascula.
Beautiful plant! :)
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We don't do that well with peonies but 2 herbaceous types flower regularly:
Paeonia kesrouanensis x 2 pics
Paeonia cambessedesii x 2 pics
cheers
fermi
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Fermi ,
sorry to say ...but your P.kesrouanensis is wrong named :-\
the flowers are to big ...and the typical sign for P.kesrouanensis is it has glabrous carpels ( similar like P.coriacea )
Hans
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Hi Hans,
any suggestions to what else it might be?
cheers
fermi
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Hi Fermi ,
it is difficould to name a plants without informations from where it came :(
I'm sure it is something from the P.mascula complex ...
It could be ( MAYBE ) P. mascula ssp. hellenica or P.mascula ssp. borduri
P.mascula hellenica comes from the greek mainland and some greek islands
P.mascula bordurii comes from Turkey ....
P.kesrouanensis grows in Lebanon,Syria and Turkey ( but a total different area from bordurii )
I do not believe that your plant is P.mascula hellenica v.icariaca ...this is a extrem rare plant
What are think the others peony growers like Matt and Lukas and more ?
I hope thats help you a bit
Hans
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Fermi, how old is your Paeonia cambessedsii and how big? What kind of mix do you use?
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Fermi, how old is your Paeonia cambessedsii and how big? What kind of mix do you use?
Hi Anne,
I sowed 5 seeds in May 1998 in a 3" tube of potting mix with additional grit/coarse sand and they all germinated in June 1999; the only one I retained was planted in 2001 into a raised "rock garden bed" consisting of the "native" adobe clay ameliorated with compost and coarse sand/grit and topped with gravel. It had buds in 2005 but they didn't develop or were frosted off! First flower was in September 2006.
It's about 2 1/2 feet across and about 20" high (I haven't measured it exactly, though)
cheers
fermi
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Thanks for all the info, Fermi. It's one I would like to try.