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Specific Families and Genera => Primula => Topic started by: David Nicholson on January 02, 2014, 01:23:14 PM
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The first of my Primulas this year.
First two pics are P. 'Lindum Moonlight' usually the first of mine to flower but a little later than last season when I pictured it on 21 December 2012.
Third is P. 'Mylene', one raised by David Philbey under his code DPP 485-02
Last one is one of eight seedlings I bought from Gerd Stopp and this one is under his code 1/08. I notice on his label that Gerd had written "****!!" perhaps Nurseryman's code for a "good 'un". I shall be interested to see this next year (if I don't kill it!) as it is short of a petal this time, not unusual for seedlings.
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They're very nice David and must do much to keep you happy at this dark time of the year, especially with the dreadful weather in the UK that we're hearing about. These should keep you smiling. :)
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very nice David, I particularly like Mylene with that mealy eye.
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Lovely Primulas David.
Primula odontocalyx is an asiatic primula in the petiolaris section and fairly new in cultivation. It is flowering even earlier than last year.
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How do you cultivate the Primula odontocalyx, Cyril ?
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I would like to know that too.
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Primula odontocalyx seems to be quite tough so far and a couple of plants outside have come through two winters, totally unscathed. In fact the first one to flower (5th March 2013) was growing in the coldest part of the garden. The one I showed a picture of is grown in a pot in the greenhouse under the staging during winter. In summer it will go outside in a partially shaded place. Compost is the usual JI + composted bark + grit.
Jens Nielsen thinks that, coming from S. Shaanxi, it would grow in warmer/drier conditions than most Himalayan Petiolaris, so should be good for eastern Scotland.
I note seeds were offered in SRGC seed exchange this year. My own plant set a few seeds which have germinated today. I think this is a promising new introduction that will become easily established in gardens.
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Thank you , Cyril.
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Primula odontocalyx seems to be quite tough so far and a couple of plants outside have come through two winters, totally unscathed. In fact the first one to flower (5th March 2013) was growing in the coldest part of the garden. The one I showed a picture of is grown in a pot in the greenhouse under the staging during winter. In summer it will go outside in a partially shaded place. Compost is the usual JI + composted bark + grit.
Jens Nielsen thinks that, coming from S. Shaanxi, it would grow in warmer/drier conditions than most Himalayan Petiolaris, so should be good for eastern Scotland.
I note seeds were offered in SRGC seed exchange this year. My own plant set a few seeds which have germinated today. I think this is a promising new introduction that will become easily established in gardens.
Many thanks Cyril, but would they be likely to cope with a typical Devon Summer (wet, wet and wet!) outdoors?
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Worth a try David.
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Mmmmmmm!?
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Primula megaseifolia
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3834/12056180723_c90416dfd8_o_d.jpg)
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2845/12056747996_041a900a0e_o_d.jpg)
Growing in a pot under the bench of my alpine house where it has been in flower for almost 6 weeks.
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A lovely ne Steve and doing better than mine which was from seed generously given by St Giles (or someone :)) but now it has a damper climate, or rather a shady garden which retains the available damp, it is looking better this year than previously. I LOVE primulas. :D :-*
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I don't think I showed the Primula vulgaris I found last year.
The first two photos show it against a typical wild P. vulgaris. The third photo shows it in the hedge and the last photo shows it against ?Snow Cushion
I pulled it apart and got three plants. Just now there are 5 growing points showing. I'm thinking of calling it Irish Cream
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It's very pretty Mark. It's funny - and rewarding - that even after hundreds of years growing in cultivation, new forms of "old" and favourite plants can still be found.
How are you, by the way?
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Fine thanks. Expecting a date any day now
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Primula whitei 'Arduaine'. This is thought to be actually a hybrid between bhutanica (pin) and whitei and is sterile. The true P. bhuatnica is now quite rare.
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If this parentage is correct then its sterility seems inconsistent with lumping P. bhutanica under whitei, as the Flora of China (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200017469) does :-\
Beautiful though.
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Primula marginata from my own open pollinated seed and flowering for the first time. Probably not worth naming as it's little different from a whole host of marginatas but something of a breakthrough for me as I usually get hybrids from my own seed.
Also another of my little Gerd Stopp raised seedlings this one he gives 1/07, looks as though a snail has had a go at it too. I'll see what it's like next year.
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very pretty David. I find un named varieties and seedlings often have more charm. Marginata and allionii are such wonderful plants that the "ordinary ones" are beautiful too.
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Thanks Mark, I fully agree.
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Allionii season is upon us. I did a mass repot last year with mixed results, maybe the summer was too hot for them.
Here are two, Primula allionii "Malcolm" and Primula allionii "Rosemary"
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Nothing wrong with those two Mark, very pretty.
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More Primula allionii:
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Nice start to the season Rudii.
Couple of mine today:-
Primula 'Stradbrook Lucy'. Very pale lilac and not easy to picture. Some List this as a marginata but it's quite small growing so possibly a hybrid.
Another of my Gerd Stopp raised seedlings. Gerd's label reads "very good colour" and it is but quite a bit darker than it looks in the picture. Provided I don't kill it should look really nice next year.
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Very nice everyone ....Outside in the peatgarden : Primula 'Tantallon '
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Last month I ordered some plants from Joe Sharman's new web site http://shop.callianthus.co.uk/ (http://shop.callianthus.co.uk/) I order Anthriscus 'Going For Gold' the golden leaved cow parsley and Primula denticulata 'Karryann'. Fabulous well grown plants arrived on January 17th
Primula denticulate 'Karryann' on January 17th and the third photo today February 26th
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It will be good to see 'Karryann' in flower Mark. Not one I know.
Primula 'Sonny Evans', one of the earliest P. allionii (?hybrid) to flower with me.
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It will be good to see 'Karryann' in flower Mark. Not one I know.
Cyril its an old variety saved by Joe, I think
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Primula 'Sonny Evans', one of the earliest P. allionii (?hybrid) to flower with me.
Very nice Cyril. It's one of David Philbey's raisings and I think it's an allionii cultivar. I shall be seeing him at Exeter in a couple of weeks time and if I can think on I'll check it out.
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Last Autumn I was contacted by a lady who, sadly, had recently lost her husband and she wanted some help in disposing of his Primula collection. There were a lot of marginatas, some quite old varieties and also quite a few x pubescens varieties I hadn't heard of before. Most of the plants were in a fairly bad way and a lot I had to throw away but thought with a bit of TLC some could be saved and took quite a few back home where I took cuttings of some and re-potted the others. This is one of them labelled Primula x pubescens 'Lilac Fairy'. I couldn't find any details about it in Mary Robinson or Primula Galleries so tried Google.
That turned up a picture and description on Philip Bankhead's Peninsula Primulas site, but a lot darker than my plant. It seems also to be stocked by Rob Potterton, but no picture. It also turned up a reference on Grows on You (are you reading Philip!?) describe as an allionii, and a picture posted by a 'Scotsgran' described as having been taken at the 2010 SRGC Show in Edinburgh, again a lot darker than my plant. I searched the Forum too and found a plant displayed at the Perth SRGC Show in 2010 see reply 17 http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5350.msg148870#msg148870 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5350.msg148870#msg148870) again a lot darker than my plant. Looks very smilar to the plant shown on Grows on You.
My plant is a very pale lilac and to me looks to have a lot of marginata in it and, having seen the pictures referred to above I did wonder if my plant was mis-labelled. Anyone growing it who could help me out?
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Thanks for the information Mark and David.
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My first go so I hope I've got it right.
Primula 'Stradbrook Dainty'
Primula 'stradbrook Flounce'
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'Flounce' is well-named, isn't it?
I have discovered that the Stradbrook primulas have managed to reach Tasmania, but I am only very recently aware of them here. Strange world, for sure. Cannot understand why I have not been aware of them before now. I think they are English bred, Philip, is that correct?
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David, I don't know the answer but it's a very pretty plant.
This is one of Brian Burrow's allionii seedlings I got back in the 90s - it only has a serial number but it's a nice place.
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I learned a few days ago from a friend who works at a local nursery, that the wonderful Irish primulas which someone (Mark S?) mentioned and pictured on the Forum some months ago, or a year or so - God, what's gone wrong with my memory? - are coming to New Zealand, if not already here and the local nursery will be their sole distribution point in NZ. I am THRILLED by this as I do remember thinking when I saw them here, that I would LOVE to be able to get some of them. I think they had beautifully coloured foliage as well as lovely flowers. They may be ready for distribution from this coming spring. ;D
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Are these the ones, Lesley ?
Shown by Roma in 2012 : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8426.msg245830#msg245830 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8426.msg245830#msg245830)
Mentioned by Mark here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8857.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8857.0) with a video posted by Jamie here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8857.msg243906#msg243906 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8857.msg243906#msg243906)
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Oh yes Maggi. Thanks so much. I love them all but especially that gorgeous 'Innisfree.' What a top plant! They should do well here in the south of NZ. We had an amazing storm here this afternoon. Heavy hail turning the garden white within seconds followed an almost terrifying thunder crashing, and I usually enjoy a good thunder storm but this was something else. Then followed solid rain so thick that we couldn't see the camellias on the other side of the kitchen lawn, just 15 metres away.
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Hello Maggi.Thats's right.I wouldn't name in on an open forum without permission,but in England.
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One from the garden and grown from society seed P megasiflora
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Lovely, Ian , but is your plant not Primula megaseifolia ?
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Primula all allionii 'Vera' today. It's one of Ray Fairbairn's [attach=1]
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My first go so I hope I've got it right.
Primula 'Stradbrook Dainty'
Primula 'stradbrook Flounce'
Hello Philip and welcome (glad we flushed you out ;D). Lovely little things aren't they? I have neither of those but I do have Sradbrook Cheryl and Stradbrook Variegated to come.
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Primula all allionii 'Vera' today. It's one of Ray Fairbairn's (Attachment Link)
and a nice one too Chris.
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This is one of Brian Burrow's allionii seedlings I got back in the 90s - it only has a serial number but it's a nice place.
Nice plant Mark and very well grown too it has a lovely shape.
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David, I've got Stradbrook Charm, not in flower yet, got it on the members stall at Edinburgh a couple of years ago, has yellowish farina, quite nice.
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Thanks Chris. I'm going to make a list.
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Lovely, Ian , but is your plant not Primula megaseifolia ?
That's what happens when you rely on memory :-\
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Here is one of my own seedlings, taken from P.allionii Mary berry. It looks as if something else got in there - I had one of the Lismore hybrids, Lismore Treasure, Jewel something like that. This seems much more understated than either parent and doesn't cover itself always evenly. Still I like it
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Thank you David.I don't have your two or the other one mentioned.I've probably been given them in the past and killed them off. I have 'Stradbrook Satin Rose' very small.I've seen a picture of the origional at source and it looks worth waiting for.
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Here's Stadbrook Charm. It doesn't seem to want to give abundant flowers but it's quite nice otherwise. Like the foliage quite distinctive
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And here's Lindum First Kiss it's going to give quite a few more flowers yet but will they all appear together?
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All the 'Lindums' are lovely Chris, I've a couple to post later.
Here is Primula 'Joan Hughes'. I've been doing a bit of research on this one. It seems to be an allionii x P. 'Linda Pope', 'Linda 'Pope' has a lot of marginata blood. It is sometimes referred to as x miniera in quite a few places including in Sandy's Show Report for Stirling 2011 (Cyril's plant). In Richards 2002 John refers to allionii x marginata as P x meridionalis and Miniera is given as a cultivar name. Anyone know if things have changed from Richards?
Later edit: It's a good bit darker than it looks on the pics.
Later correction 17/03/14
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Dunno the answer to your question David but it is very nice
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Thanks Chris.
Here are Primula 'Lindum Heavenly' P. 'Lindum Wedgewood and P. marginata 'Beverly Reid'
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lovely plants all. I always think of primulas as being "proper spring flowers". This is P. marginata Napoleon - it's much smaller than most - I think it's a wild selection.
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I've got that one Mark, mine not in flower yet but it's lovely. I've seen it on the show bench quite often.
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P. marginata 'Napoleon' is one of my favourites. Found in the wild and named by Margaret and Henry Taylor.
Mine are growing very hard in troughs and need refurbishing really- getting too leggy but they are still lovely. Buds just showing a bit of colour, which is very dark at this stage, and the foliage is just beginning too.
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It's a lovely little plant Mark. No sign of flowers on mine yet.
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Self sown primroses... ..coming up everywhere... ..and always doing better than the ones planted on purpose....
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They look stunning Giles....
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Self sown primroses... ..coming up everywhere... ..and always doing better than the ones planted on purpose....
Beautiful aren't they Giles. I like the blue one to the extreme left best. Looks as though it's worth propagating on.
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David,
..the two I will be keeping....
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An ordinary one
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I love the vulgaris ones, so simple, so beautiful.
Every year I lose bits off P.allionii forms or whole clones (looks like I've lost Viscountess Byng this year) and I wonder if it's really worth it. Then spring comes. This one is P.allionii Lacewing. Yes, they are worth it. Just wish I had more room so I'd take more cuttings.
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Primula marginata 'Miss Fell'
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Primula allionii 'Fairy Rose' KRW180/48
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Primula allionii 'Eveline Burrow'
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lovely plants Chris, I especially like that marginata.
here's another allionii, "Marion"
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Nice stuff from you both Christine and Mark. Yes Mark, they are worth it ;D
If either of you haven't seen it there is a listing of known forms of Primula allionii on the Web Site of the Northern Section of the National Auricula and Primula Society here http://www.auriculas.org.uk/Allionii_Data.htm (http://www.auriculas.org.uk/Allionii_Data.htm) It's probably a little out of date now as far as recent introductions are concerned but it's a valuable historical record.
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Hi David
I didn't know about this register. I do have the old edition of the AGS mag that had all the photos of primula flowers in mad I have sometimes used that. My Fairy Rose isn't on that list nor is the suffix. I got it long ago from Holden Clough and I forget the chaps name but he knew a lot about.
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Your lovely 'Miss Fell' is set off very well by those pine cones Chris 8)
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Thank you Ashley. I needed to support it and came up with the idea.
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Hi David
I didn't know about this register. I do have the old edition of the AGS mag that had all the photos of primula flowers in mad I have sometimes used that. My Fairy Rose isn't on that list nor is the suffix. I got it long ago from Holden Clough and I forget the chaps name but he knew a lot about.
Chris, the listing is only of forms of the species. According to Richards 2002 'Fairy Rose', 'Joan Hughes' and 'Purple Emperor' (don't think I have ever seen the latter) are all allionii x P. 'Linda Pope'.
Correction to above made 17/03/14.
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I got it long ago from Holden Clough and I forget the chaps name but he knew a lot about.
That would be Peter Foley - his son runs the nursery now : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8588.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8588.0)
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Aha yes thanks David and Maggi
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P.'Allen Queen'
P.'Crepe Suzette'
P.palinuri
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Very nice Philip.
Here's one of the older hybrids (Primula auricula x P. marginata) P. 'Rhenaniana'
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That is just lovely David. Sometimes the old ones are the best.
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Golly David, that's a real beauty. Will you plant it again so that the stems are largely buried? You'd probably get side buds coming through if you do.
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Thanks Lesley and Matt.
Lesley it is one of batch of plants I took over late last year from grower who had passed away. He had been ill for some time and many of the plants hadn't been re-potted for more than two years. I thought I might lose this one so apart from re-potting it didn't do anything with it. I think I shall take off all the straggly growth when it has finished flowering and treat them as cuttings.
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Another of my straggly ones that need sorting for cuttings. This, if it's true, is quite an old marginata hybrid.
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A few more from the greenhouse.
Primula 'Miniera' This is one of two clones I have and the other one, which is in bud, looks as though it's going to be darker.
Primula 'Lindum Harbinger' I do like yellow Primulas.
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One of the palest I have Primula allionii 'Jackie Richards'
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Lovely hybrids
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Thanks Yann.
A smattering of self sown Primroses waiting for me to plant them out round the garden.
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Hi here are a few primula flowering in my garden at the moment, the first one is a variety of Primula Vulgaris, second is Primula Veris Cowslip & third is Primula Elatior Oxlip, hope you like them.
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A couple of days ago (11th March) I posted pics of one of my two plants of Primula 'Miniera' and said I had a darker form in bud, well here it is. I bought this from Susan Tindall and Susan described it as the true form.
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Here's my Primula marginata 'Napolean'. Again it is a plant I took over from a grower who had passed away and had been short of TLC and is a bit straggly. I shall probably use it for cuttings later.
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P.'Wharfedale Gem'
P.allionii 'Mrs Dyas'
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Nice shots all, David you should own a nice Primula's collection isn't it?
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It is growing Yann.
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Some from today:-
Primula 'Clarence Elliott' a fairly old auricula x allionii.
Primula 'Janet Aldrich' a David Philbey raised hybrid (David's number DPP 219.95)
Primula marginata 'Sheila Denby'
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Three more all from the 'Lindum' stable:-
Primula 'Lindum Frosty Morn'
P. 'Lindum Malcolm's Mate'
P. 'Lindum Sunburst'
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Earlier in this thread (reply 52 of 6 March) I posted a pic of one of my plants I have labelled as Primula 'Joan Hughes' but I also have a much darker plant also labelled as P. 'Joan Hughes and both are pictured here. In the late Mary Robinson's book "Primulas: The Complete Guide"-Crowood Press 1994 she says:
"A hybrid between Primula allionii and P. 'Linda Pope' (raised by Jack Drake). Tight rosettes of leaves and distinctive heads of magenta pink flowers on short stems......"
My first plant is possibly nearer to the flower colour that Mary Robinson described. Is anyone else growing this plant please?
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David,here is what I have as Primula Joan Hughes
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Michael you've got me thinking now. Maybe I should get both my plants out of the greenhouse so that I can see them both in the same light.
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Well, don't throw stones at me, but I'm gonna show you a Primula.
Bought on March 7th, as a gift for mom (we have a holiday on the 8th when women get ... flowers).
I picked this one from a whole bunch of primulas, of all colors (I am taking these are the "common" ones, easily grown and cared for).
I thought the colors were... shall we say, striking?
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I thought the colors were... shall we say, striking?
Er, yes! ;D
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David here are a few of my seedlings.
Primula Hybs.
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Nice Michael. Are they open pollinated or do you have parentage details?
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I have parentage details somewhere David. ;D
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They look lovely Michael. The second one isn't too far from the one that won at Kendal last Saturday.
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Primula allionii is at its best in the Alpine House, Primula palinuri is always
the first species of the Auricula Section flowering in my garden.
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Very nice Rudi.
Some more of my Gerd Stopp raised seedlings. Excuse the quality of the pics, I'm experimenting ::) Also Primula vulgaris ssp sibthorpii from the garden.
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A few more hybrid seedlings.
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Smashing Michael. I liked the last one best.
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I like the middle one best, like allionii Marjorie Wooster without the reflexing petals.
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P.'Broadwell Milkmaid'
P.marginata 'Kesselrings Variety'
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Philip, do you find Broadwell Milkmaid a bit 'miffy'. Mine always seem die before I can get them to fill a 4" pot.
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This is my 2nd year flowering with this one David and so far so good.I'm hoping to be able to get this and my others to the sort of size that you can see on here and at the shows.Then who knows?Novice class entries at Harlow and Kent shows.
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David just when I thought my Broadwell Milkmaid was getting to a decent size for showing it collapsed on me. Had to recover as many bits as I could and pot them. Now I've got a pot the size of Philips' flowering well again. I try to be vigilant during the winter when they're dormant but must have failed with that one. It got mould from dead foliage under the canopy I think. Horrid job getting them out but I have to. Leaves are so sticky...
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Primula 'Pridhamsleigh' in flower in my garden now. I hope the photo has attached! This is the primrose saved from the widening of the A38 through Devon in the late 1960s; known by the locals as the Ashburton Primrose. It is mentioned in the book "The Magic Tree" published by the NCCPG, and subsequent mentions of it copy the detail that it starts often with single flowers before reverting to doubles. My plants came from the widow of the Ashburton postman who was originally responsible for distributing it. She says her plants have never had single flowers, and mine have yet to show any.
There are a number of other doubles that were found in the wild. If anyone knows of the whereabouts of 'Elizabeth Dickey' which originated in Northern Ireland I would love to hear from you.
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Hello and welcome, Caroline!
It is heart-warming to hear of folks managing to keep such "old" treasures growing. This sort of conservation is something that, luckily, is often found among rock garden and alpine plants people - long may it continue. I think that because so many of "our" type of plants have never been widely available that we are more aware than some of the need to propagate and conserve plants such as these old varieties in cultivation.
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Primula kitaibeliana
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-Primula allionii ‘Broadwell Pink’
-Primula allionii seedling
-Primula x allionii ‘Wharfedale Ling’
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This is Primula Lindum Gecko, photographed at a friends garden a couple of days ago.
Not seen this particular Lindum hybrid before, absolutely stunning.
Need to find one of these.
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This is Primula Lindum Gecko, photographed at a friends garden a couple of days ago.
Not seen this particular Lindum hybrid before, absolutely stunning.
Need to find one of these.
All these primulas are pretty - but 'Lindum Gecko' is particularly attractive. Don't think I 've seen it before - it's not among these :
http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/galleries/european_primula_hybrids.html (http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/galleries/european_primula_hybrids.html)
....but I found a photo here from 2008:
http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/loughborough2008/plants.html (http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/loughborough2008/plants.html) - where the colour is not showing so well as in Mike's photo.
It seems the "Lindum" breeders Mr and Mrs (Dreena) Thomson have sold their hybrids previously at a stall at Loughborough.
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The Primula vulg. sibthorpii is a charmer and has the ability to go dormant in the garden when it gets dry. Then it comes back in the spring and seeds reliably but sparingly.
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Picture taken at Wisley today, Primula palinuri.
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This is Primula Lindum Gecko, photographed at a friends garden a couple of days ago.
Not seen this particular Lindum hybrid before, absolutely stunning.
Need to find one of these.
Re. Lindum Gecko: Thought you would like to see this photo I took a couple of days before Mike came round to see this exceedingly fine (this year's understatement!) Primula. The farina really stands out. However, yesterday morning a bee had found the flowers and was carefully wiping the farina off the petals! Something to think about in terms of protection for next year! This is definitely my favourite Primula! Thank you breeders!
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I like the Primula 'Pridhamsleigh' very much, and yes, really good to have saved an old form from the "development" syndrome that local bodies and others are determined on (occasionally with good reason).
I sometimes have double auriculas flower as singles at the start of their season and when they bloom again in the autumn but they always come double again soon. The polyanthus or primrose types do it less often, but do, occasionally.
I have a lot of seedlings from Barnhaven this year, sown in early November 2013 and some are already setting buds though it's autumn here now. I take this to be the result of a very cool and damp summer instead of our usual scorching drought.
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Primula 'Lindum Gecko' looks great. looking forward to getting hold of that.
Here are some of mine from the greenhouse today:-
Primula 'Kirsty', raised by David Philbey under his reference DPP 762-07
P. x pubescens 'Freedom' a lovely gift from Graham Catlow
P. 'Kusham Krishna', raised by Graham Butler of Rumbling Bridge Nursery. Alec Stubbs' P x 'Wharfedale Bluebell x P. marginata 'Linda Pope'
P. 'Aire Mist', a Peter Lister cross (P. allionii (a white form) x P. auricula 'Blairside Yellow' )
P. x pubescens 'Peardrop'
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.... and the final few.
Primula 'Lismore Pink Ice'
Primula 'Marven' a marginata hybrid
P marginata 'Pritchard's Variety'
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whouah nice batch!!
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Thank you Yann.
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Well Lesley, there is a great history of very good doubles being grown from Barnhaven seed in New Zealand. That is where Hopley's got their range from back in the 1980s. Sadly those succumbed to the winter weather (the stock having been in pots) and vine weevil, and although some of their varieties were micro-propped I haven't found any of them yet. Glad you are keeping the tradition going!
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A close up of my P. m. Pritchards Var
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An old variety but a good 'un Chris. Mary Robinson says it appears identical to Kesselring's Variety but it's virtually impossible to check from images.
Some more of mine from today whilst I'm still trying to get to grips with my camera settings:-
Primula x pubescens 'Cream Viscosa' having just removed a snail who was ravishing her.
Primula 'Rosamunde' another David Philbey raising under DPP 520-03
Primula 'Ethel Barker' a pre 1937 allionii x hirsuta
My favourite of the seedlings I bought from Gerd Stopp, this one under 0713
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Looking nice David!!
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Made a mistake David - it's Millards var not Ptitchards....
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Made a mistake David - it's Millards var. not Pritchards....
Which put me in mind of this : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4790.msg130488#msg130488 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4790.msg130488#msg130488)
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This should clear it up. It's a bit long-winded Maggi but you'll get to it and perhaps it also clears up McMarrk's query too.
http://www.felbridge.org.uk/index.php?p=2_97 (http://www.felbridge.org.uk/index.php?p=2_97)
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Thanks for that link, David - I do like it when loose ends are tied up and threads knit together - we should be on the Great British Sewing Bee!
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Dear Primula friends, thanks to all of you for showing
us your treasures!
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David, as I remember 'Marven' from when my parents and I grew it years ago, it was much darker flowered than your photo. Is true 'Marven' perhaps no longer in general cultivation? I ordered it from a nursery recently and was disappointed to find that what was sent had much paler flowers like yours, more like an ordinary marginata selection, whereas 'Marven' is a marginata x venusta cross getting the darkness of the flowers from venusta.
I've finally tracked down what I hope will be true 'Linda Pope' again after years of looking to re-acquire it. Now I need to find a source for re-acquisition of 'White Lady'. Any suggestions?
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I found this pic on a Czech website which looks right to me, including the foliage, which should be virtually un-toothed.
http://skalnicky-jundrov.webnode.cz/album/o-p/primula-marven-jpg/ (http://skalnicky-jundrov.webnode.cz/album/o-p/primula-marven-jpg/)
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Well Lesley, there is a great history of very good doubles being grown from Barnhaven seed in New Zealand. That is where Hopley's got their range from back in the 1980s. Sadly those succumbed to the winter weather (the stock having been in pots) and vine weevil, and although some of their varieties were micro-propped I haven't found any of them yet. Glad you are keeping the tradition going!
Forgive me Caroline, I don't know of Hopley's. Are they an English firm? Your 2nd post almost sounds as if you have some experience of primulas in New Zealand.
A good many years ago now, Muriel Davison at Wyndham (her garden is Maple Glen) in Southland grew many doubles from Barnhaven seed. She listed dozens in different colours, using a letter and number code to identify them all. I had quite a few over time but have none now, though most doubles - there still are a few around - probably came from that source. I'm hoping to build up a little collection and propagate them again.
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David, as I remember 'Marven' from when my parents and I grew it years ago, it was much darker flowered than your photo. Is true 'Marven' perhaps no longer in general cultivation? I ordered it from a nursery recently and was disappointed to find that what was sent had much paler flowers like yours, more like an ordinary marginata selection, whereas 'Marven' is a marginata x venusta cross getting the darkness of the flowers from venusta.
I've finally tracked down what I hope will be true 'Linda Pope' again after years of looking to re-acquire it. Now I need to find a source for re-acquisition of 'White Lady'. Any suggestions?
Yes Martin, I'm suspicious about mine but, having said that I'm suspicious about most of my marginatas. As I've said before most of my my marginatas were amongst a collection of Primulas I took over from a grower who had passed away and at this stage I have retained the labels they came with. If the picture link you sent is of the true plant then my plant is not 'Marven'. Mary Robinson (1994) doesn't give too many clues apart from "......... Rich purple blue flowers with a distinctive very dark eye, surrounded with a ring of farina. The good heads of fairly small flowers are carried on a 6" (15cm) stem. The leaves are neat and covered in farina (she doesn't say they are toothless though)". It's well time there was another book extending and updating Robinson which is just about the only tome of any value currently.
'Marven' and some of my other marginatas I had intended to take to the South West AGS Show to discuss with David Philbey and get his views on them but unfortunately David is not able to be there. One of these days I hope to be able to pay a visit to David as he has probably more knowledge than any other Primula grower in the country. I intend to make contact with one or two people I came across in my previous Primula growing days and membership of NAPS to seek their views too.
There are always going to be problems in trying to identify plants from pictures as light conditions differ so much on a group of plants which, lets face it, are sometimes very similar to each other to the extent that I sometimes think one label suits many!
I have three plants labeled 'Linda Pope' (all from the source described above) but no flowers so far. If I gat any flowers it will be interesting to compare them with your plant though.
As far as 'White Lady' is concerned, and Mary Robinson says plants sold as 'White Linda Pope' are the same, I used to have a plant a few years ago but lost it. I have a memory that I might have got it from Chris Boulby and I hope Chris reads this.
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David,
Primulas of Europe and America doesn't give much more information than Mary Robinson does, nothing about the lack of leaf toothing and no photo in either book. But I'm 100% certain that the photo on the Czech website is true to name. It's less than 10 years since I had 'Marven' and I have a pretty good visual memory of it.
I've had 'Linda Pope' from two growers, last year and this year. One looks wrong, having small leaf toothing. The other, from Pottertons, looks right even just in leaf, as it has the very large and prominent toothing of the leaves that is a distinct feature of 'Linda Pope'.
This is a pretty good photo of what looks to me to be true to name:
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+1004+0019 (http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+1004+0019)
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Hi David,
Ruth Hadden who has Ryal Nursery here in Northumberland holds the NC of Primula marginata and always scours our Hexham show benches for correct names and has sorted a couple of mine out for me. I have a plant that has very white flowers that is labelled P. allionii x Linda Pope and that it had been obtained from Ruth but I'll confirm that tomorrow. Here is a picture of it. Whether this is what you meant I'm not sure but it's all I have and you are certainly welcome to a cutting if it's what you want. And I bought from the members stall 2012 and think it may have been donated by young Mr Smethurst....
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Hi Chris, wish I lived nearer Ryal Nursery (you got me P. m 'Mrs Carter Walmsley' from there last year) I'd be round like a shot with my marginatas (cue for a short break in Northumberland!). As I said earlier it's the Devil's own job trying to identify them from pictures.
Did you mean you had two plants of WLP, one from Ryal (subject to confirmation) and one possibly donated by Brian Smethie? Slack Top Nursery (wilds above Halifax) list it and in their picture it has a distinct pale yellow eye and from your pic, and I can't get it big enough to see properly, I'm not sure yours has?
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David,
Primulas of Europe and America doesn't give much more information than Mary Robinson does, nothing about the lack of leaf toothing and no photo in either book. But I'm 100% certain that the photo on the Czech website is true to name. It's less than 10 years since I had 'Marven' and I have a pretty good visual memory of it.
I've had 'Linda Pope' from two growers, last year and this year. One looks wrong, having small leaf toothing. The other, from Pottertons, looks right even just in leaf, as it has the very large and prominent toothing of the leaves that is a distinct feature of 'Linda Pope'.
This is a pretty good photo of what looks to me to be true to name:
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+1004+0019 (http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+1004+0019)
Hi Martin,
There's an alternative picture here taken by Terry Mitchell and he is a very experienced Primula and Auricula grower and knows his plants.
http://www.auriculas.org.uk/primula_linda_pope.htm (http://www.auriculas.org.uk/primula_linda_pope.htm)
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Yes, David, Terry's plant looks right too. The very strong, widely spaced toothing of the foliage is very characteristic of Linda Pope. I don't think there's another marginata type with foliage quite like it.
Chris, your plant isn't White Lady (syn. White Linda Pope) which looks just like a white version of the Linda Pope plants in the photos David and I have posted links to, with marginata type flowers in umbels on quite tall scapes. Yours looks like a typical (and very nice) white cross between allionii and Linda Pope, of which there are quite a few with various cultivar names.
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Thanks Martin. I'll keep it labelled exactly as it is right now then. It never was labelled white lady.
David sry for confusion I've got one plant only. I'll ask her about it tomorrow...
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Primula x loiseleurii 'Lismore Yellow'
Primula allionii x ' Blairside Yellow' oops should be Old Red Dusty Miller
Primula allionii 'Snowflake'
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I usually discard pinkish primrose hybrids but I like this one. It has grown into a big plant without going back and is covered in flowers every year.
A seedling
Primula marginata - a self sown seedling two or three generations from Inshriach form
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Yes Roma I agree it's quite jolly. I'm like you on the whole don't like washy washy pink mixed with yellows.
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Primula moupinensis on Xiling Xueshan, saw thousands as usual, but the pure white ones caught my eye.
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The colour variation of P. Moupinense is lovely. Cluny gardens had some flowering the other day but only the purple, John usually grows from seed but he didn't have any variation in colour. Will you be back to collect seed later in the year?
Susan
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There's just not enough of interest in this particular area to justify a trip back, I'm afraid... Went here hoping to find Eranthis albiflora, but have found no sign of it so far. I'll try a different side of the mountain tomorrow, fingers crossed!
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David / Martin
The two photos show Primula marginata White Linda Pope.
The first photo shows the petals not fully expanded, they have a faint creamy tinge at this stage but when fully developed they are nearly pure white.
My original plant was given to me by Joe Elliott just before he closed the nursery near Moreton-in-the-Marsh.
Mike
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Thanks Mike, if that one isn't spot-on nothing is ;D
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Lovely, Mike. It has the same kind of foliage as Linda Pope as well, with quite large and widely spaced toothing.
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Pr. allionii Pfaffenteich and 2 big flowered hybrids from G. Stopp
Ute and Riesenblüte (Giant Flower)
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Here are three of my Primulas from the garden this week, 'David Valentine', 'Don Keefe' and 'Innisfree' :)
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Quality trio there, Jane. 'Don Keefe' is such a cheerful colour does anyone know who "he " was?
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.......................... 'Don Keefe' is such a cheerful colour does anyone know who "he " was?
Maybe a clue in this?
http://www.amazon.com/American-Primrose-Quarterly-Primroses-Including/dp/B009091VX2/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1396287807&sr=1-7 (http://www.amazon.com/American-Primrose-Quarterly-Primroses-Including/dp/B009091VX2/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1396287807&sr=1-7)
Lovely Primroses Jane
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Oh yes, David- that's surely a big hint: American Primrose Society Quarterly Winter Issue 1990 Vol.48 No.1 Primroses Including Primula Juliae - Sakata... by Editors Including Don Keefe (1990)
There was a good photo from Luit at a Lisse Show in 2009
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1315.365 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1315.365)
(I know Primula 'David Valentine' is elatior x juliae. Grown by botany Prof. at Durham Univ. of that name and kept going and named by Judy Burrows. (read that from John Richards)
and the delightful 'Innisfree ' is one of Joe Kenedy's Irish primulas, developed with Pat Fitzgerald. )
edit : from http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/adv_fh_PDF_16MAR2014.pdf (http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/adv_fh_PDF_16MAR2014.pdf)
‘DON KEEFE’ A new variety of polyanthus with attractive glowing, orange-red flowers and a neat
eye similar to that of a cowichan polyanthus.
This primula was raised at Field House Nursery fromBarnhaven seed and propagated by Bob Brown of Cotswold Garden Flowers.
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No matter how many times I try,I just can't capture the colour of this,
Primula 'Lismore Jewell'
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Philip, nice one, at least you got it in focus, I don't always!
Some more of mine from today:-
An old Primula marginata cultivar- Primula marginata 'Sharpe's Variety' which Mary Robinson says is identical to Pritchard's Variety.
Primula marginata 'Lilac Form' another old cultivar, a seedling from 'Beamish'
Primula marginata 'Beverley Reid'
Primula marginata 'El Bolton'. This is sometimes seen as Earle Bolton; L Bolton and I've even seen it as Eel Bolton. It was originally found by Alec Stubbs of Grassington in the Yorkshire Dales (the raiser of the Wharfedale series of Primulas) on an old rock garden planted by Backhouse of York in the 1920's.
Primula 'Mrs Peggy Wilson'an old allionii x hirsuta
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I have high hopes that among the many vulgaris and juliana type primroses from my Barnhaven seedlings, there will be some like 'Barn Hall Blue.' An Australian friend has one too, called 'Blue Ribbon,' a wonderful mat-forming plant, covered with a sheet of clean blue when I saw it.
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Primula auricula 'Mauve Mist' was looking particularly good yesterday !
To stay on the "foggy" subject :P : P. 'Aire Mist'
P. marginata x allionii 'The Best' is quite good as well !
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Very nice Luc, I haven't seen 'The Best' before.
By the way in my last post (reply 160 ) third picture down I posted a pic of Primula marginata 'Beverley Reid' when I should have posted P. m. 'Barbara Clough'. 'Barbara Clough' is below.
Primula marginata 'Barbara Clough' said to be named for the wife of the late football manager Brian Clough
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It is Primula allionii time in my garden now :D
P. a. "Stephen"
P. a. "Maria Talbot"
P. a. "Crusader"
Last picture left P. a. "Aire Mist" and right "Snowcup"
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Love the 'Mauve Mist,' if it's really that colour. :)
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Here is Primula marginata with a pronounced margin
Gerd
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I have high hopes that among the many vulgaris and juliana type primroses from my Barnhaven seedlings, there will be some like 'Barn Hall Blue.' An Australian friend has one too, called 'Blue Ribbon,' a wonderful mat-forming plant, covered with a sheet of clean blue when I saw it.
Would that be the old juliana cultivar 'Blue Riband', Lesley? It's a beauty but I haven't seen it for sale anywhere in the UK for many years now. I wonder if it's still around here somewhere or only now surviving in NZ. I used it a lot for crossing when I used to raise juliana seedlings. It gave me some lovely results crossed with the likes of 'Wanda' and 'Tawny Port'.
There are some pics on the web if you google it.
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Here are couple more Primula's looking good at the moment:
Primula 'Kinlough Beauty' a real favourite mine with the amount of flowers it produces.
Primula vulgaris 'Drumcliff' I just love the dark leaves with the pale flowers, it will be interesting to see if it sets seed!
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It is Lesley, it is !! :D
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Hi jane I really like your primula's especially drumcliffe, is that one one of the irish primroses?
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Hi John, yes it is. I'm hoping that they set seed for me as it will be interesting to see the foliage and flower colour that emerges. I would love to add some more of them to my garden. Do you grow any of them?
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Primula auricula Blue Night.
Primula auricula Blue Wave.
Primula auricula Tmpany Seedling.
Primula auricula Tmpany Seedling.
Primula auricula Sonia Nicholle x Yellow.
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Love that solid yellow Michael. One of Susan's...
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Primula juliae
Primula warshenewskiana
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Primrose 'Hallbarn Blue'
? Primula 'Wanda'
Primula 'Tipperary Purple' an old Jack in the Green
Primula allionii x 'Blairside Yellow' from Lismore many years ago
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Hi Jane no unfortunately, but I do love drumcliffe's dark leaves so different to other primroses
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Change of colour now - Primula elatior
The first two are Primula elatior from seed a few years ago as Primula alpicola
The third was supposed to be Primula rotundifolia from wild collected seed ::)
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Primula allionii 'Aire Mist'
A pale coloured Auricula from Rumbling Bridge Nursery
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Interesting plant that last one Roma. Trying to figure out what the cross must have been..
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Interesting plant that last one Roma. Trying to figure out what the cross must have been..
flowers looks like P.auricula moonlight - but a lot of farina on the leaf - nice plant
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Interesting plant that last one Roma. Trying to figure out what the cross must have been..
Graeme Butler (Rumbling Bridge Nursery) was selling Auriculas at some of the SRGC Shows last year as 'Rumbling Bridge Strain'. I am not sure if they are open pollinated or deliberate crosses. They were mixed colours and some were farinose and some not. I liked this one because it was different.
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I'll try and get one next time I'm at a show he's coming to.
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'Fife Yellow'- thought this was the right place to show a photo of this one. Sadly the colour hasn't come out right in the photo. I have tried several times and none of them are quite right. It is darker and brighter.
And Maggie thank you for the advice on resizing photos!
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Primula x pubescens 'Christine' is putting on a brave show, growing outside without any protection from the Hebridean elements.
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My P. marginata Holly Leaf is now tall and leggy but flowers really well. How and when can I rejuvenate it?
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Primula 'Linda Pope'
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I need to add Primulas to my plunge. Two out of three plunges are just leaves at this time of year
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Mark your P. marginata doesn't look very big. If it were mine I'd just repot it a bit deeper, but if you'd rather do cuttings it looks like it would make three, but keep the stump which should regenerate. Ian Kidman told me to do this, saying it takes two years for the plant to grow again but it creates a much more compact plant, plus you have the young cutting plants as well. It should be done after flowering which ever method you decide upon.
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I'll try and remember to take cuttings after it has finished flowering
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Nice 'Linda Pope' Philip
Mark, can you tell me where you got your P. marginata 'Holly Leaf' from please, it doesn't seem to be available from any of the outlets I use.
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Mark, can you tell me where you got your P. marginata 'Holly Leaf' from please, it doesn't seem to be available from any of the outlets I use.
You'll need to book a flight! I got it in the Czech Republic
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P. vulgaris 'Irish Cream'
photos 2 and 3 show it against a natural flower
photo 4 shows the plant
photo 5 shows the flower against Snow Cushion
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Primula 'Mauve Mist'
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Hi mark I really like your Irish cream primrose
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Thanks.
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P. x pubescens 'Deep Mrs Wilson'
P. x pubescens 'Boothman's Variety'
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The friend who kindly gave me this two years ago thinks it is P. dryadifolia....
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The friend who kindly gave me this two years ago thinks it is P. dryadifolia....
Chris, I'm far from an expert but having looked in Richards I don't think it is. If you have Richards look at Plate 65. In his description (page 151) he says Leaf blades to 2 x 1.3cm, crenately toothed, tightly inrolled at the margin, thickly white or yellow-mealy underneath. Stems to 10cm, shorter in flower, bearing 1-5 flowers; Calyx purpleish to 12mm; Corolla rose-crimson with a darker or yellowish eye, saucer shaped to 25mm diameter.
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P. x pubescens 'Deep Mrs Wilson'
P. x pubescens 'Boothman's Variety'
Very nice Philip. We should converse about spare rooted offsets at re-potting time?
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Chris, I think it may be P. dubernardiana - have a looks at the plant and notes here :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5303.msg148958#msg148958 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5303.msg148958#msg148958) - there are other pix of the plant in various show reports but this one conveniently has plenty foliage showing.
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David the leaves do have a sort of farina on the reverse. I did take a look at Richards which is why I posted here. The flower colour is certainly different but I thought that wasn't so important. I can't figure out how to work keys I guess...
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Christine, the leaves of your plant are too long to be dryadifolia - they would need to be short and quite chunky - to mimic a dryas. Flowers would also be several to a stem and have a reddish calyx. The flower has no yellow eye
Lovely close up from Pam Eveleigh in Primula World : http://www.primulaworld.com/PWWeb/gallery/slides/dryadifoliaPE1.html (http://www.primulaworld.com/PWWeb/gallery/slides/dryadifoliaPE1.html)
Neat plant at the Perth Show : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1666.msg42235#msg42235 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1666.msg42235#msg42235)
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Should have said - it 's full name is Primula bracteata subsp. dubernardiana
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Going to speak to Mr Richards at our meeting Monday night. I'll take my ipad to show him the pic for positive id will let you know what he tells me.
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David-I would think I have spares of those 2 knocking about somewhere.
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Here's a better pic of the primula. I'm wondering could it be P. bracteata perhaps?
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Here's a better pic of the primula. I'm wondering could it be P. bracteata perhaps?
Straight P. bracteata is often yellow, with shorter leaves. Colour can vary, of course - but I think for the look of yours, colour, length of leaf etc, that P. bracteata dubernardiana is more likely.
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200017164 (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200017164)
Jock will be able to tell you at your next meeting.
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Tks Maggi.
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Getting down to the last few of my Primulas for this season:-
Primula marginata 'Johannes Hoeller'. Named for the late and much missed Forum member from Austria Hans Hoeller
With very dirty leaves Primula 'Venus'
Primula 'Delight'
I have two of these plants, both exactly the same, and both came to me labeled as Primula x pubescens 'Alba'. They're not of course and I doubt I shall ever find out what they are.
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is that alba?
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No Graeme, as I said above the pictures they came to me labeled as 'Alba'.
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A few Primula's from me :
P. auricula 'George Edge'
P. auricula 'Wedgewood'
Primula marginata 'Linda Pope'
Primula x loiseleuri 'Lismore Yellow'
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This was my Christmas present from Harry last year. Our joiner finally came around to put it on the wall for me while I was in Edinburgh for the show yesterday. Only a few of my auriculas are blooming yet but I've potted up my dwarf hostas to display in it during the summer anyway.
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This was my Christmas present from Harry last year. Our joiner finally came around to put it on the wall for me while I was in Edinburgh for the show yesterday. Only a few of my auriculas are blooming yet but I've potted up my dwarf hostas to display in it during the summer anyway.
What a GREAT present! You'll have lots of fun putting seasonal treasures on that to dazzle visitors any time, won't you?
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I'll just have to keep buying plants to fill it sigh... ;D ;D ;D
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I'll just have to keep buying plants to fill it sigh... ;D ;D ;D
Listening ---- distant 'whump' ------ was that the noise of Harry fainting? ::) ;)
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Cracking Christmas congratulations Chris (OK couldn't resist the alliteration)
Really lovely pressure it will show off the Auriculas a treat.
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Its a good job I'm not allowed to drive because all these Primulas are making me want to go visit Susan Tindall and or Penninsula Primulas
I have an idea for a miniature Hosta theatre make from metal but its going to cost ££$$. Like this except there are holes to set the pots in to http://www.ukdisplaystands.com/product/plant-tray-stand/ (http://www.ukdisplaystands.com/product/plant-tray-stand/)
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Couldn't resist buying a couple from Susan at Hexham, Mark. Hers are usually good ones. I've been using the Auricula book as a guide.. Got another at Edinburgh from Rumbling Bridge Saturday too P. a. 'Chloe'
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Graeme and Hilary at Rumbling Bridge have some crackers - he raised 'Kusum Krishna' (http://rumblingbridgenursery.co.uk/krishna/), y'know
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I have an idea for a miniature Hosta theatre make from metal but its going to cost ££$$. Like this except there are holes to set the pots in to http://www.ukdisplaystands.com/product/plant-tray-stand/ (http://www.ukdisplaystands.com/product/plant-tray-stand/)
It would be much cheaper to build a similar thing from wood- you could have solid shelves or make holes to hold pots within the shelf. I'd go for solid triangular sides for stability and give a little protection from wind.
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From this site (http://paleishetloo.nl/tuinen) in the Netherlands : an auricula theatre to show how they were used in the 18th Century
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It seems that in the 17th century (https://twitter.com/TuinenHetLoo/status/453836443203694592/photo/1), Mary Stuart was also an avid collector of auriculas ( not that this is as old as that, I don't think)
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re-tweeted (https://twitter.com/WillemdePrater/status/455285536823861249/photo/1) by the Paleis Het Loo
"The beautiful wedding portrait of William II (1626-50) and Mary Stuart I (1631-1660). He was 14 and she was 9 years old"
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This one is 'Broadwell Golden' - which I presume is from the same "stable" as 'Broadwell Milkmaid' etc
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This one is 'Broadwell Golden' - which I presume is from the same "stable" as 'Broadwell Milkmaid' etc
Got it in one Maggi. 'Broadwell Gold' is a Border Auricula found in a Gloucestershire garden in 1950 by Joe Elliott who owned Broadwell Nursery
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Thanks for its history, David. Cheery thing, I think with those slightly frilled flowers.
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Primula x 'Kusum Krishna'
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Hi Mark. I could build one of those for about $20.00 USD cost in metal.
I have a welder. You need to multitask. ;)
John B
I have an idea for a miniature Hosta theatre make from metal but its going to cost ££$$. Like this except there are holes to set the pots in to http://www.ukdisplaystands.com/product/plant-tray-stand/ (http://www.ukdisplaystands.com/product/plant-tray-stand/)
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That's a lovely theatre Maggi. If only I had the space. But even with the leylandii behind the pots wouldn't withstand the winds we get here.... Dave - nice to know where Broadwell Milkmaid came from! I got Blairside Yellow from Ardfearn Saturday too. Any idea where that one hails from its a wee beauty. I think I saw it on the show bench too...
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John I'll fly you in to make it
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....................I got Blairside Yellow from Ardfearn Saturday too. Any idea where that one hails from its a wee beauty. I think I saw it on the show bench too...
Not a clue Chris but it's been around since Adam was in short trousers. Some think it's a cross between Primula auricula and P. allionii and in his Northumberland Diary of 7 April 2009 John Richard's speculated that it was a cross between P. auricula and P. balbasii (a Southern form of P. auricula. It's one of the parents of quite a few modern hybrids.
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I have two of these plants, both exactly the same, and both came to me labeled as Primula x pubescens 'Alba'. They're not of course and I doubt I shall ever find out what they are.
Been having another look at my Alba(Not) above. Given the toothed leaves and absence of farina and making due allowance for differences in light as they were photographed on different days it has a similarity to P.x pubescens 'Freedom'. Anyone concur? Pics below
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Just a couple of photos to test posting - Primula Broadwell Milkmaid [attach=1]
Primula Allionii Whisper - been hiding under the bench so a bit washed out
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Re: Primula 2014
« Reply #206 on: April 11, 2014, 03:51:15 PM »
Here's a better pic of the primula. I'm wondering could it be P. bracteata perhaps?
Well, spoke to Mr Richards tonight and he confirms it is P. bracteata. He brought in a number of plants he'd grown from seed a couple of years ago and that's where I got it, He was rather surprised I was growing outside in a sink with no protection though. I just didn't know it was'difficult'... Just shows ya...
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For anyone interested in auriculas, the Scottish auriculas club has been resurrected again. I can't remember the details but maybe all knowing Maggie can help. There was a notice that went round the club earlier.
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For anyone interested in auriculas, the Scottish auriculas club has been resurrected again. I can't remember the details but maybe all knowing Maggie can help. There was a notice that went round the club earlier.
www.thescottishauriculaandprimulasociety.com (http://www.thescottishauriculaandprimulasociety.com)
Web Site is in it's early stages of development, further details obtainable from the Secretary, Dr Alison Goldie (of Angus Plants) at
secretary@thescottishauriculaandprimulasociety.com
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www.thescottishauriculaandprimulasociety.com (http://www.thescottishauriculaandprimulasociety.com)
Web Site is in it's early stages of development, further details obtainable from the Secretary, Dr Alison Goldie (of Angus Plants) at
secretary@thescottishauriculaandprimulasociety.com
Thanks David, I only remember that there was an attempt to restart the society : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11068.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11068.0)
Good to know it has progressed this far.
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Graeme Catlow mentioned to me on Saturday Maggi...
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Graeme Catlow mentioned to me on Saturday Maggi...
Hi Christine,
Although I saw you in the distance a couple of times I didn't manage to speak with you. I wonder if there was another Graham there that you thought was me. :)
It's not easy to recognise someone when they don't use an image of themselves as their avatar. There is no need for anyone to comment further.
Graham
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Graeme Catlow mentioned to me on Saturday Maggi...
My money is on it being Grame Butler from Rumbling Bridge Nursery - he's a primula lover.
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Yup I got mixed up again so sorry Graham! I did mean Grame Butler. Duh...
David -here's the Blue Wave seedling you sent me. The colour is richer than this photo shows it's a super plant!
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Glad you like it Chris. Keep it going and eventually you might be able to send me an offset, I lost mine! ;D
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Two Primulas just flowering in our garden:
Primula amoena
Primula spectabilis
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Nice little Primulas Zdenek.
Some of my latest flowering today.
Primula 'Amethyst'. This one a David Philbey raising under his code DPP 962-10
Primula x pubescens 'Boothman's Variety'. Sorry this is a bit 'fuzzy'. An old pubescens named for the late nurseryman Stuart Boothman.
Primula marginata 'Highland Twilight' another old cultivar.
Primula 'Lismore Snowcap'
Primula 'Lindum Remember'
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And a few more:-
Primula 'Linda Pope' an old marginata hybrid dating back to around 1911. Raised by a Birmingham nurseryman Mr Pope and named for his daughter.
Primula auricula
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Hello all, just recovering from our trip to Canada came home to so many plants flowering and millions of weeds , one special primula with only one flower yet thought it might have gone over winter, Primula pulchra, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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A cracking Primula Ian.
I remember this bonny wee species from the old days -good to see that you still have it.
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You may be the only one in GB Ian, it's not available in The Plantfinder.
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I thought that this one had vanished from cultivation. I managed to keep it for 3 years and then it failed to survive the winter. This must have been at least 10 years ago.
I also notice that primula reidii seems to be almost impossible to obtain.
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Primula time goes on. 3 from the Alps and 2 from the Gardens.
Primula hirsuta, Primula spectabilis, Primula glaucescens, Primula auricula „Blue Wave“, Primula auricula „Glenelg“
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I was always led to believe that you get better seed production from Primulas when cross-pollination takes place between 'pins' and 'thrums'. Is this a fallacy? The reason I ask is because when walking in Glen Lednock last week every plant was a 'thrum' for a very long distance before I came across a 'pin' plant. This must surely mean that in the concentrated area of 'thrums' they were reproducing adequately without the presence of 'pins'.
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Does anyone grow Primula prolifera? If so, can you tell me what conditions it needs?
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Disapointingly,only 1 flower this year
P.'Jupp'
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Does anyone grow Primula prolifera? If so, can you tell me what conditions it needs?
This primula, a mid-sized candelabra type, enjoys quite a damp situation - boggy pond edge, for instance.
Before we got warmer summers it was pretty happy in a shady spot here that kept semi-moist but it was one of those which gave up the ghost when our summers got a bit warmer and drier.
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Thanks, Maggi. I can supply a near bog but it would have sun as well. Would that finish it off?
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With ample water it may be able to cope with sun, Anne - I'd say give it a go.
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Hi everyone, primulas are one of my favorite plants, and I specially like Primula vulgaris, which is also a native here....unfortunately it is hard to find other species primula and hybrids in this country. Here is a photo of my primula (it was already 1 month ago).
Hugs
in my blog:
http://jamesjardimsuspenso.blogspot.pt/2014/03/jardim-de-primavera-1.html (http://jamesjardimsuspenso.blogspot.pt/2014/03/jardim-de-primavera-1.html)
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Hi here are some varieties of P. Vulgaris & P. Auricula in flower in my garden at the moment. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/24/gamaga5u.jpg) (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/24/u6u2y3y3.jpg) (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/24/ygagy4az.jpg) (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/24/ete9uhu8.jpg) (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/24/y4u9ezem.jpg) (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/24/satumabu.jpg)
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P. rusbyi
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Primula cockburniana
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2927/14030678812_8317885ef5_o_d.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7400/14053907293_1032375381_o_d.jpg)
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Superb photography there Steve.
johnw
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My last one to flower, Primula x pubescens 'The General'. This is an old variety, Farrer referred to it in 1914.
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Primula marginata and hirsuta in a trough
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P,sieboldii
P.x pubescens seedling
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Seedlings sorted by colour.
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Seedlings sorted by colour.
- not to mention luxuriance ! A tremendous display of Primula siebodii, Giles.
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A sight for sore eyes Giles....
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A friend gave me a plant of Primula rosea 'Gigas'. Does anyone know its origin?
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It seems that while a couple of sources, both of this plant and of seed of it, claim it has a Royal Hortcultural Society Award of Garden Merit - a search of the RHS /AGM plants comes up empty. Odd.
A search in the RHS/AGM list for Primula rosea shows an AGM awarded in 1993, but no mention there of a cultivar name.
There are these notes from old Joint Rock records:
Primula rosea FCC 1879 Grower: Ware AGM 1992 ( not 1993?)
Primula rosea 'Brockhurst var' AM 1928 Grower: Hanbury
Primula rosea 'Micia Visser de Geer' AM 1969 Grower: Hutchinson
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Thanks, Maggi. I thought if the information was out there you'd find it. So we know it is a recognised cultivar name but where, when or why it was named is still a bit of a mystery ???
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Roma, I wondered if we (being Scots!) were being sidetracked by the closeness of "Gigas" to Gigha ? And what if the Gigas is NOT a real cultivar name but merely a description?
" gigas - of a polyploid plant:
having a thicker stem, taller growth, thicker and darker leaves, and larger flowers and seeds than a corresponding diploid plant "
:-\
P.S. I knowthat several nurseries are listing it as a cultivar name 'Gigas' but that doesn't mean to say that it's "official" or correct!
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It's been listed as such in the Plantfinder for a number of years Maggi, though I'm only too well aware they bend to the wishes of nursery folks. I'll ask Mr Richards if he knows anything about its history Monday coming....
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A friend gave me a plant of Primula rosea 'Gigas'. Does anyone know its origin?
Roma and Maggi, seeing Roma’s question I did some research. Hopefully it is of help to you?
Mr. Georg Arends writes in his book “Mein Leben als Gärtner und Züchter” (1951) that he used Primula rosea Grandiflora for breeding purposes
Primula rosea grandiflora has come out of Herr Max Leichtlin’s hands. (Gardener’s Chronicle, July 24, 1886) Max Leichtlin was a famous gardener and founded a private Botanical Garden at Baden-Baden in Germany.
Arends mentioned that in a garden of a Primula lover in the Lower Rhine area, shortly before World War II started, a strong growing form with large flowers and large flower umbels of Primula rosea was found and described in the Journal “Gartenwelt” which possibly could be a cross or a by chance originated Polyploid form.
Seeds from this plant were offered as Primula rosea Gigas Wasserme’s Riesen. “Gigas” is (was) a much used name in Germany.
Therefore I presume the name Gigas is since that time used for large-flowered seed strains of Primula rosea Grandiflora.
I could not yet find anything about the name Micia Visser de Geer, a seed raised cultivar as well, but I cannot think there exists any original plant of this, because as far as I know these primula’s are only generatively propagated. It’s also in the trade as P. rosea Delight.
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Well done, Luit - good hunting. Thank you!
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Thank you Luit for this information.
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That was interesting history about P.rosea 'Gigas', thank you.
This primula grows well also here in my garden, starting to flower soon. :)
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So very interesting Luit. Looks like you got an interesting plant Roma. Couldn't possibly grow it here in my sandy soil though, needs damp I understand...
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First time flowering here : a young specimen of Primula reidii ssp. williamsii.£
Growing in a peatblock .
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Growing in a peatblock .
I don't know you Belgians have it all, peatblocks, tufa rocks....... so lucky ;D
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A friend gave me a plant of Primula rosea 'Gigas'. Does anyone know its origin?
Here some more information about the other form of P. rosea:
The Primula rosea Micia Visser de Geer was probably named by Ruys (Moerheim) in honour of the woman of noble birth, Jenny Micheline de Geer (1907-1966), who was married in 1929 with Mr. W. A. J. Visser ( 1904-1975). Mr. Visser was major of the village Avereest from 1931- 1937, a village close to Dedemsvaart, the place where the Moerheim nursery was. Later he became the major of the Dutch city The Hague.
Her pet name was Mitsia, (for the plant trade in Holland “Micia” sounds easier).
The founder of the Moerheim nursery, Bonne Ruys, did have many important connections in Holland, England, Scandinavia and Germany, so it is a good possibility that this is the right story?
The plant must have been very special and had very large flowers of one inch in diameter.
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I don't know you Belgians have it all, peatblocks, tufa rocks....... so lucky ;D
And Belgian beer David ;D ;D ;D
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......and CHOCOLATE !!!!! Let's not forget the most important Belgian treasure. ;)
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Cortusa matthioli pekinensis, seed from last year's list. Many thanks to whoever contributed the seed.
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Maggi ;D
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In flower here in Holland:
Primula involucrata
;)
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Hello at long last I have managed to flower Primula wollostonii grown from seed collected by Jens Nielson, has taken 3 years to flower it is in a bowl 2 flower spikes and the plants are stoloniferouse hope to get some seed, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Such a graceful flower Ian, wonderful. I grew it once (from J Richards) but after it flowered it was gone.... No seed...
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Disapointingly,only 1 flower this year
P.'Jupp'
But what a stunning colour Philip, in a double auricula.
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Hello at long last I have managed to flower Primula wollostonii grown from seed collected by Jens Nielson, has taken 3 years to flower it is in a bowl 2 flower spikes and the plants are stoloniferouse hope to get some seed, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
From my very limited experience, seed only comes from cross pollination. I think this is true too, at Hokonui Alpines, where Louise grows it well and prolifically now, but with careful attention to pollination each season.
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My eagle-eyed better half spotted this (still in bud) among a batch of seed raised Primula flaccida on a nursery stall at a show last weekend. I agreed it looked like it might be white flowered so we snapped it up. Turns out Susan was right, and what a beauty it is. The second picture is after yesterdays rain and you can see some blue now where the farina has washed off. I've never seen a white flaccida .
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Very unusual, Darren - and very beautiful. One of the best primulas - and that's saying something from such a fabulous family!
Seeing your photo I have a vague recollection ( most of my recollections are on the vague side, as you know!) of a student asking about a white form - but was it of P, flaccida? ??? :-\
I'll see what I can find.....
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Thanks Maggi. :) I just hope I can keep it going and hopefully increase it.
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I've been happily imagining the scent of the P. flaccida as I've spent the last 40 minutes searching for the question I mentioned earlier - no luck so far in finding that but the very thought of the fragrance has cheered me!
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Glad to hear it :)
It's such a nice scent. The white (to my nose) seems to have a lighter and fresher scent than the normal form.
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The white is very lovely indeed, especially as it has heavy farina on the calyces as well. It will be a triumph Darren if it comes true or even partly true, from seed. PLEASE, hand pollinate it. I'm looking forward to a group of 9 young plants I put in a damp and leafy place recently. Looking a bit washed out for the winter but sturdy centre buds so I hope all will survive and flower.
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Have tried hand-pollinating it Lesley - will see if it selfs. I also tried a cross with a normal form but sadly all my plants are thrum (including the white) so I'm not expecting much in the way of viable seed.
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Susan at Pitcairn Alpines has primula plug plants for sale - http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11615.msg307024#msg307024 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=11615.msg307024#msg307024) - other plants too, Omphalogramma and meconopsis...... :)
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Beautiful white form of Primula flaccida Darren. Let's hope it is self fertile and the seeds come true.
Primula rufa flowering for the first time in cultivation from seeds collected autumn 2012. P. rufa is closely related to the more familiar Primula forrestii.
The plant has lots of farina on the corolla and calyx, which is believed to be the consistent characteristics that define rufa (which will be P. bullata var. rufa). Leaf shape is variable, from cordate or truncate (like forrestii) to cuneate or even attenuate (like bullata) which is consistent with plants from the northern end of the P. rufa range (N and W Yunnan), which is where this collection was made.
Plant is 36 cm tall with large flowers (3 cm across) closely packed together. We will have to see whether this is a feature of rufa generally when other plants flower.
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Have tried hand-pollinating it Lesley - will see if it selfs. I also tried a cross with a normal form but sadly all my plants are thrum (including the white) so I'm not expecting much in the way of viable seed.
Have you tried a cross with either reidii or wollastonii? We're trying both here with a little success. Using just the purple form of flaccida of course, but the white reidii.
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Good idea Lesley - and all my remaining reidii are pin forms. They have probably finished for this year though - I find reidii flowers a good few weeks before flaccida here.
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I once found a cross between P flaccida and P vailli. There is a photo here somewhere on the forum.
It didn't set seed and I lost it eventually. Susan
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I once found a cross between P flaccida and P vailli. There is a photo here somewhere on the forum.
It didn't set seed and I lost it eventually. Susan
It's here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8322.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8322.0) and was first here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4976.msg158437#msg158437 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4976.msg158437#msg158437)
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Primula sieboldii 'Dancing Ladies', grown from Barnhaven seeds. :)
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Maybe every garden should include such pretty 'Dancing Ladies' - it would be fun to tell visitors!
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Not strictly a Primula but belongs to the clan.
Omphalogramma vincaeflora
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5076/14426164085_f72c88a4b2_o.jpg)
Grown in quite deep shade and sadly not in character. I find that Omphalogramma fry if grown in an open position.
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Very dramatic photo Steve. Wish to heck I could get that sharp of focus, but my eyes are not good enough to set it that good from the finder screen.
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Very dramatic photo Steve. Wish to heck I could get that sharp of focus, but my eyes are not good enough to set it that good from the finder screen.
Thanks George!
I use Canon gear which allows adjustments in the viewfinder for the declining vision that we all experience from middle age onwards. I think all of the big camera brands have a similar facility for diopter adjustment.
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/dioptric_adjustment_lenses.do (http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/education/technical/dioptric_adjustment_lenses.do)
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Omphalogrammas are a favourite of mine, Steve. I used to grow O. minus and O. delavayi in my garden in Aberdeen. They were in a shady bed with a high humus content. I now live across the water from you.
1. Omphalogramma delavayi
2. Omphalogramma minus
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Omphalogrammas are a favourite of mine, Steve. I used to grow O. minus and O. delavayi in my garden in Aberdeen. They were in a shady bed with a high humus content. I now live across the water from you.
1. Omphalogramma delavayi
2. Omphalogramma minus
Stunning plants Maureen!!!
When I grew Omphalogrammas in the past I lost them through rot of their fleshy roots. I thought the roots looked similar to Cypripedium and so now grow them in the same very lean pumice mix that I use for Cyps -no more rot, but the plants dry out quickly and wilt in the heat. I now have to grow them in dense shade but the've become leggy as a result. Time to compromise I think! ???
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Fantastic bloom Maureen. The color, texture and fringed look of the petals in the first photo is wonderful. Are the petal reverses the same color?
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Maureen - Exquisite Omphs. Might I suggest when you post pix of plants of such rarity that you ask Maggi for a dispensation on pic size. Ask for the very largest possible!
What a feat!
johnw
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Maureen - Exquisite Omphs. Might I suggest when you post pix of plants of such rarity that you ask Maggi for a dispensation on pic size. Ask for the very largest possible!
What a feat!
johnw
So long as photo files are under 200KB they can be much larger, "pixel wise" than the size Maureen has posted. We do suggest that pix are around 760 pixels wide, maximum to avoid too much scrolling on the average screen. This does allow a photo of good size to shown fine detail, as can be seen elsewhere in the forum. So no special dispensation is needed! ;) ;D
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So long as photo files are under 200KB they can be much larger, "pixel wise" than the size Maureen has posted. We do suggest that pix are around 760 pixels wide, maximum to avoid too much scrolling on the average screen. This does allow a photo of good size to shown fine detail, as can be seen elsewhere in the forum. So no special dispensation is needed! ;) ;D
For web posts, I generally open them in Photoshop then change size to 800 pixels max dimension and 72 pip. When saved at jpeg quality of 8 instead of maximum, they almost always come to less than 200K. If you want to reduce file size, and still retain size displayed on the screen, setting the jpeg quality down to 6 or so does not noticeably affect screen view, only if the files are used for printing.
Geo
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Primula sikkimensis in the Explorers Garden at Pitlochry - growing form a collection from Nepal in 2002
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Photo Julia Corden
Meconopsis and primulas in the Explorers' Garden, Pitlochry (http://www.explorersgarden.com/home.html)
This short video was posted on YouTube by Panayoti Kelaidis ( of Denver Botanic Gardens) :
Blue Poppies and primulas in a Scottish Garden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px7C-Q4USm4#ws)
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Fantastic bloom Maureen. The color, texture and fringed look of the petals in the first photo is wonderful. Are the petal reverses the same color?
Thank you for your kind comments, Geoforce and John. Yes, the petal colour is the same on the reverse as far as I can remember. I cannot claim the full credit as Brian and I were equally into our love of growing plants. We once managed to put a few Omphalogramma minus seeds into the seed exchange, and by co-incidence had them back amongst out allocation for packeting. The request was for 80 packets, and we managed only five!
Re posting pics, - I am not very computer savvy and it takes me ages to reduce them. Had several attempts as they kept coming out at over 200KB. This despite folk trying their best to tell me the 'easy' way. My knowledge stagnated when I was left to fend for myself. As a compensation for the small size, here is a C/U of O.minus
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I notice that when I posted the above pic it said 145KB, but when I asked for 'Info' on file size before posting it was telling me 208KB - so it has actually posted smaller than it need have been.
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Maureen
Most computers allocate disc space in always the same sized blocks. That's why you can make a text note of 1 or 2 words and file size will still be 4K or so. Depending on operating system you use ( I'm using Mac OSX 10.9.3 right now) file size can be very deceptive.
Geo
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Maureen - You do of course realize the volume of the vocal wows increase with picture size! That was a Wagnerian wow by the way.
johnw
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I think there are few, if any better or more lovely companions for blue Meconopsis than the paler yellow primulas. The Denver planting is beautiful. I'd never have expected such a group in the Colorado climate, about which, admittedly, I know almost nothing at all.
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Now I see that the mecs and prims are not in Denver at all (I should have read the post properly) but in a Scottish garden. That explains everything! :-[ :)
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Maureen - You do of course realize the volume of the vocal wows increase with picture size! That was a Wagnerian wow by the way.
johnw
In that case, John, it's just as well the pics came out small, otherwise I would have to widen my doors! Geo, I too use a Mac OS X but an older version than yours: 10.5.8
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I was in Perthshire this weekend, and filled an enjoyable hour before catching my train home by visiting the Explorers' Garden in Pitlochry for the first time. Many of the spring plants were over, with just a couple of Meconopsis plants still in bloom. However, the Primula were just scent-sational, filling the air with their sweet scent - and yes, I did come away with a couple of plants :)
1. last of the Meconopsis
2. abundant Primula (mainly alpicola?)
3 & 4. This Primula was just spectacular, can anyone ID it please? The flowers were a stunning peachy apricot colour, and the scent was also (to my mind) of peaches!
5. A fine specimen of Dactylorhiza (fuschii or hybrid) looked superb nestled under an Japanese Acer.
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The Explorers' Garden is a super place, isn't it?
The peachy-coloured primula is a P. florindae - this is a plant which will throw a lovely range of colours - they all smell GOOD but some are EVEN MORE deliciously scented than others. 8)
Some of ours have not grown very tall yet this year and are flowering rather feebly at around 30cms. I hope that they might put a spurt of growth on and show their full glory later in the year. :-\
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Thank you Maggi, a swift and helpful response as ever.
I wonder if this might be P. florindae 'Coppertones' then. Hopefully I'll be able to source a form that smells as delicious as this one day. Although, that will have to wait until we have a more sheltered garden than we have here.
Yes, I will definitely be making Explorers' a spot to visit frequently.
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I wonder if this might be P. florindae 'Coppertones' then.
Could be but I know little of named forms - we find that our plants throw a super range of colours. The "plain" yellow are lovely but I admit a real fondness for the reds, peaches and orangey tones - and when growing tall they have such a striking presence. Love 'em!
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Maggi, did you start out with more than one color of Primula florindae and let them seed themselves. I've finally found a place they like where if walking in the spring you would sink
to mid-calf. It's drier now but there's still very moist below. I only have the yellow one and it's planted with Primula prolifera nearby.
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Anne, since Matt's post I've been asking myself the same question. It's been such a long time I cannot remember clearly. I have a feeling there may have a range of colours from seed right at the start.
We no longer have a boggy area so the poor things have to cope with whatever we throw at them - though as they seed freely into the paths they seem not to mind to much. In hot dry weather they do wilt dreadfully, which makes me feel very cruel and sends me rushing for the watering can.
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I discovered this primula growing in my front garden, does anyone know what verity it could be? Thanks John
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A polyanthus - sometimes called Primula polyantha. They are hybrids bred to get those large showy flowers. I'm not sure of a name for individual colours. It's being very generous in giving you flowers in July!
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Hi maggi thanks for letting me know, yeah I was surprised to see it when I was weeding around the roses. I really like the flowers on this plant, white with a orange/yellow centre. I'll have to see if I can get seeds from it or wait while it bulks up and split it.
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Discovered this auricula in flower while weeding, loverly dark flower.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3853/15403368985_7140c95ebd_c.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15403368985/)
Primula auricula (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/15403368985/) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Recently acquired four new primula's, the first is P. Vialii, love this plant reminds me of a red hot poker plant on a smaller size, next is, P. Tschuktschorum this is a new one for me it grows on both sides of the Bering Strait, in wet meadows from sea level to 2100m. I'll plant it near my harts tongue fern it likes similar conditions. Next is a plant that I have been after for ages P. Scotica, a lovely little primrose. Lastly another auricula to add to my little collection, this one is auricula Symphony.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3931/15538385482_c0e779b076_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pF5hDY)P. Scotica, P. Tschuktschorum & P. Vialii (https://flic.kr/p/pF5hDY) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3951/14916810384_9d7968d4cf_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oJ9y2W)Auricula Symphony (https://flic.kr/p/oJ9y2W) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Compost looks on the heavy side (to say the least!) for the auricula and P. scotica John
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I'd agree with that David. Looking at these and assuming they came from a nursery, they make me very happy with my own stock which is lusty by comparison, as I'm preparing for the big Rhododendron Day sale in the Dunedin Botanic Gardens on Sunday. John, when you plant them out add some grit, not too fine, and lime for the auricula. And do feel free to tell me to teach my Granny, but she would have said the same, being a grower of auriculas herself. :)
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Thanks David & Lesley for the advice, I did wonder myself if I was doing the right thing by not incoporating some grit. I wouldn't be so rude Lesley, this is what I like about the srgc you get advice about growing plants & the like from other members & I'm certainly not above myself from taking it. Hopefully I can do the same to other members. :)
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Some of you will know that I have an interest in the older cultivars of Primula marginata and I am gradually (very gradually!) building up a file of information on them that one day I hope to make available on the internet for posterity. Thanks to Barry Starling I now have information on P marginata 'Beverly Reid' which I will quote here, and picture below of my plant earlier this year.
"Beverley Reid lived in Kent. He was, or so he claimed, the son of a sea captain who married the daughter of a tribal chief (a Princess) from a South Pacific Island. Beverly was a chef by profession and his Christmas parties were famous for the fantastic dishes he prepared. He would drive miles in search of plants leaving Kent before dawn, and for instance driving to Wales, then to Devon and back home in the day. He had considerable success on the AGS show benches and introduced the Origanum hybrid 'Kent Beauty'. He died, I think, in his mid-forties, of a heart attack"
I will need to establish an accurate spelling of his name as my plant is labelled 'Beverly Reid' whereas Barry has used 'Beverley'
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Nice plant David and a nice story also. We have had so many and still have so many wonderful characters in the alpine / rock garden world.
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I suspect Barry is correct with his use of "Beverley" - this is the more common English usage of the name for a male. "Beverly" is more used for females in the UK, though it is the common spelling in other countries for either gender as I understand it.
I just LOVE the stories behind plants - adds great dimension to our interest.
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I suspect Barry is correct with his use of "Beverley" - this is the more common English usage of the name for a male. "Beverly" is more used for females in the UK, though it is the common spelling in other countries for either gender as I understand it.
I just LOVE the stories behind plants - adds great dimension to our interest.
My sister-in-law is June Beverley so I don't think it matters really.
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Loverly primula David, I though the name was just a girls name, you learn something new every day on here.
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Yes, as I said both are used for girls, even in the UK. Wonder if perhaps your S-in-L was named after Beverley in Yorkshire? Or maybe even the (Blackburn) Beverley aircraft ::) :D
(I've flown in one of those - it took eleven hours to fly from Libya to the UK - with a brief stop in Orange, France - it was quite an experience. :-X )
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Another Primula story.
A few weeks ago I got a telephone call from David Hatchett who used to run a small nursery at Lydford, (of Gorge fame) specialising in Saxifrages, some Primulas a selection of Alpines. David is 86 now although you wouldn't know it to look at him and he was ringing to tell me that he and his wife had been finding it very difficult now living on the edge of nowhere and coping with the demands of the garden (David has been cultivating and propagating all the stuff he used to retail!) and had bought a small bungalow in Tavistock where he would have a small garden and greenhouse. His call was, if you want some plants help me to get rid of some and take what you want. So with a couple of friends we did just that and came home with the car heaving with trays and boxes of all kind of goodies.
Now, before retiring to Devon David was Head Gardener for many years at a Country House in Oxfordshire and in 1983 had a book published by David and Charles entitled "Country House Garden". It's still available at ABe Books and no doubt other book dealers at under £1 plus p/p and it's an excellent read. His wife Julie worked for many years as Head Propagator at the famous Joe Elliott's nursery, Broadwell Nursery.
Amongst the plants I wanted David said you must have this one. It was a Primula hybrid and the label said "JE S/S Sdlng". I asked for more information and he told me it was a self sown seedling on Joe Elliott's benching that Joe gave to him and that's going back some some years, that he has kept going. It's a lovely little plant he told me.
I can't wait to see it in flower.
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What a lovely story. And isn't it great that these special plants will continue to grow in special gardens. They'll hopefully prosper and their history will continue. The gardening community seems to be a very strong one.
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David,
Beautiful Primula! and equally interesting stories and histories.
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I'd not grown alpine Primulas until this spring, when I bought some for a trough that gets sun for only half the day and is outside all year. I'm pleased with how they fared over the summer and with how easily they root from cuttings. Knowing how wet our winters can get, I spent a very chilly hour or more plucking dead and dying leaves from the sad-looking plants at the weekend. The transformation is amazing. Not only are they SO much tidier and less likely to rot but I also uncovered so many new growth points that had previously been hidden. They've coped with our weather so far. Hopefully they get through the winter ok and give a good show next year. I can see myself collecting more of these lovely wee plants.
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They are tough little blighters Matt. I always have problems with mine (and I'm growing more than 100 plants)during the Summer and how to keep them cool with just enough water to get by. The only thing you're missing is the lovely farina on the leaves that the rain washes off.
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No worries with keeping them cool here, David! It is a shame that I miss out on the farina, but I'm not (yet) showing them so I can cope with that. My trouble is that I'm a bit of an obsessive collector and could end up with many, many more!
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................................My trouble is that I'm a bit of an obsessive collector and could end up with many, many more!
True Matt, so very true ;D
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Halejuja, David!
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