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General Subjects => Alpines => Topic started by: Bjarne on December 11, 2006, 10:11:58 PM
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A new thread: Anemone nemorosa :)
Here are some of mine:
(http://home.no.net/oddane/A_nemorosa_robinsonia.jpg)
A. n. Robinsonia
(http://home.no.net/oddane/A_nemorosa_Vestal.jpg)
A.n. Vestal
(http://home.no.net/oddane/A._nemorosa_wildform_Risa2.jpg)
A. n. Wildform from Risa, Norway
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Lovely pics Bjarne
Do they have a name?
Kind regards
Joakim
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Thank you Joakim :) Now I have named them.
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Dear Bjarne
I looked at Your web page and saw more lovely wild forms of nemorosa.
You are either lucky in finding them or a good searcher that looks at many to find the few. :)
What ever it shows that having the eyes open for the "common" flowers has it´s rewards.
Since I do not have any pics my self but saw a nice little thread about this in an other forum, I would like to share that link with You. I hope it is OK to link to other forums if it is in a proper subject.
The link is to a therad in a Swedish forum that deals with garden in general but this thread in perticular is about, Anemone nemorosa, hepaticas and pulsatilla vulgaris all plants that grows wild in Sweden.
There are som great varity even if the language might not be understood.
The direc link is to a talk about an anemone nemorosa called "under the oak" and You will have to press that link to see the picture.
http://www.alltomtradgard.se/forum/show.php?root=13&ID=677657&thread=677643&pid=677858
Hope You all will enjoy the pictures as I have done.. :)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim, There are lot of variants of Anemone nemorosa in the woods. But you have to crawl among them to detect them. Have a look at my A. nemerosa forms at http://www.abc.se/~m8449/anemone.html#nemorosa (http://www.abc.se/~m8449/anemone.html#nemorosa). The two first rows and the second plant on the third row are forms I have found outside our house in Stockholm - most of them during one afternoon.
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I have to admit that I have so far not studied them close enough to see the differences in nature.
I will have to do that this spring.
We even have a few of the extreem sorts in the garden but I have to look out so that they do not get run over by the "normal" ones.
I am starting to realize that if one look one find :) Not always what one is looking for but usually something that make it worth wile.
I have been looking at Your webpage many times Hannelotte and are happy to see the newer versions with more pictures. An improvment on an already nice page.
Good luck with the growing and add more pics as they appears (if I may be so bold and have a request).
I must admit that I am lucky enough to have the hybrid anemone lipsiensis (some do not belive that it is one sine they never seen it wild) growing not that far away from my home.
Hopefully I will be able to add a picture of it here.
Thanks for sharing
Joakim
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I saw the Swedish "under the oak" anemone, but couldn't figure out how to see any
other pictures. I pared back the url to http://www.alltomtradgard.se/
clicked Fotoalbum over in the list on the left of the screen, and then put
"Anemone" in a search box. That brought up all the personal photo albums
with anemone pictures.
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Dear Diane
In the thread of "under the oak" there are more anemones as well as hepaticas and pulsatilla vulgaris.
Maybe You saw all the anemones already by searching the photo albums.
If not under the box where the picture are is a thead in red with titles like "dagens favorit sippa" and by clicking to any of them You get a new "box" where there is a link to click on.
I think that will work to see the different postings in that thread. (one has to click on the postings to see anything).
Hope it works
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim, I also find A x lipsiensis a nice plant and it would be fun to have a look at different forms of it
There is an almost unknown, related anemone in Russia, Anemone uralensis - or Anemone x uralensis. It is assumed to be a hybrid between A caerulea and A ranunculoides ssp jenisseensis. I asked Alexandra Berkutenko about it, since she is from the Ural, and she knew about A uralensis but had never heard of A caerulea. Neither did we find it in Flora of Siberia.
I didn't find any images of A uralensis at the net, but there were these drawings: http://zapoved.ru/?act=oopt_rb_more&id=395 (http://zapoved.ru/?act=oopt_rb_more&id=395) Looks nice, doesn't it? Since one week I am the happy owner of four roots of different forms of this little beauty :D.
If Olga should read this thread, I would appreciate if she could have some comments on A x uralensis and A caerulea.
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Lovely plant is seems Hannelotte
Especially if it has such a diverse colour scheme :)
Hope You have four verry different calours on your plants, but might be to ask for too much. :) (white red pink and yellow) Hope You post picsa when they bloom.
Have any one seen any "spontaneus" A x lipisensis were there are both A. nemorosa and A. ranunculoides? There are persons tha have both but never have seen the hybrid and hence believe that A x lipsiensis is a spieces. I have only seen A x lipisensis in the wild in one place and the botanical garden in Lund is full of them as if the were "common" A. nemorosa! Has any one made an artificial A x lipsiensis?
Could it be that there is verry few cases of the hybrid due to slightly different flowering times?
Interestng to hear more about this from people with more knowledge than me.
Interesting thread I mus say :)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim, The Anemone ''Elin'', shown in the Swedish forum is a spontaneous garden hybrid ehre the sepals have a pink back.
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Hannelotte Elin is a pretty plant :)
I am just curios if anyone had tried to do a hybrid of the two by them selves?
By the way does ony one grow A. nemorosa from seeds and is hence trying to get new cultivars or is that only doen by mother nature?
Maybe A.nemorosa does not need to be grown from seed since it is quite prolific and caan be propageted vegitativly.
Would be inerested to hear about prpagation of A. nemorosa and close speices.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim,
I would say, that it isn't necessary to propagate different forms of Anemone nemorosa by seed. That is faster and easier done by division. Many forms multiply also by self sowing. They seem to be self fertile and I have noticed so far no spontaneous hybrids. Coloured forms seem to came true from seed. Varieties with interesting forms of sepals may differ a bit from the mother plant.
The most interesting subject of hybridisation, I think, would be to cross good coloured forms with forms with many sepals. Last year I tried to cross 'Kentish Pink' with a multi sepala form, but I got no viable seed from the trial.
'Blue Eyes' should be a good parent for getting new double forms, since 'Blue Eyes' makes occasionally single flowers, which are fertile. I have some two years old seedlings but have so far not tried to cross it.
I have no single A ranunculoides in the garden, so it hasn't been possible for me do try crosses with A nemorosa.
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Hannelotte
Thanks for the information. :)
I will see if I can make an atempt myself to do an hybrid.
We have both A. nemorosa and A. ranunculoides in the garden and I will see if there is any interesting colour forms of A. nemorosa to use.
A blue form crossed with A. ranunculoides might give a very Swedish coloured form :) or just green :( :).
If looking at "Elin" it seems to be able to change the normal colours of A. x lipsiensis with the A.nemorosa used.
I will see if I am able to get any interesting seeds from the attempts.
Kind regards
Joakim
PS Hannelotte maybe You have some reply / comment regarding an other thread "Hepaticas in a warm climate" It is regarding colour on hepaticas rather than the temperature. DS
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Joakim, I have nothing to contribute concerning your Hepatica question. Sorry!
Here a small sample of my collection of Anemone nemorosa.
In the first image you see 'Kentish Pink' in front of Achlys triphylla. In the background 'Green Fingers' and 'Robinsoniana' etc.
The second image is of 'Pink Delight', a cultivar with a nice double flower. The pink, however, is very faint and this touch of pink appears only to the end of the flowering period.
The third shows the best pink form I have found in the woods. As 'Kentish Pink' it starts with white sepals, pink only on the back. Aging the pink spreads to the whole flower. But 'Kentish Pink' is much better than this Stockholm form.
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Lovely picture Hannelotte :) Here are a very pink flower I found last year, but it is in the end of the flowering period… I have not seen it newly out.
(http://home.no.net/oddane/A_nemorosa_wildform_pink.jpg)
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What lovely ones You have found Bjarne and Hannelotte.
The Stockholm pink is better than most found in the woods, but the one Bjarne found was the pinkest I have seen ever.
Maybe there are pinker but I have not seen them. I am far from an expert, but looked a bit for pink ones in the woods.
Bjarne did you get part of the plant home? I presume the A. Nemorosa is not protected more than that You will need the permission of the land owner. At least that is the rule in Sweden.
Good luck with the plant if it is in the wood or if it is under more control :)
Joakim
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Yes, a plant is now in my garden ;D
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Well done!
If You took the whole plant You can transfer some back to the woods after thay have grown in the garden and become many more.
Then there is possibility for nature to take the next steps with this plant. Imagine a double version of this!!! Almost like the Japanese hepaticas!!?? Are You going to try to mix it with any of the doubles or multipetals You have?
Good luck and hopfully it grows well for You.
Kind regards
Joakim
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very nice and an excellent find
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Bjarne,
It is lovely! Please report in spring how pink it is when the flowers start blooming.
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Bjarne,
The pink-coloured Anemone nemerosa is certainly an excellent colour to have sourced. I cannot recall seeing such a strong coloured variation previously.
For you it is one to treasure as you found it yourself. May it grow well and increase and always bring happiness.
Paddy
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Thank you all for the nice comments :) This plant was not the only pink plant, so it is still some in the nature. Yes i will try to mix it with other Anemone nemorosa in my garden. But I don’t think any of my doubles are fertile...
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Bjarne
Fantastic color! Wish it was the same next spring!
Hannelotte
I’ve never seen A. uralensis or A. caerulea. Probably the last I saw at Elena’s garden. And A. nemorosa is always white here. You are happy finding so colored varieties.
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Hello
Does anyone have access to Journal of Japanese Botany Vol.79 , 2004? I am interested in the following article, which deals with Anemone Svetlana Ziman, Carl S. Keener, Yuichi Kadota, Elena Bulakh, Olga Tsarenko and Bryan E. Dutton :
A Taxonomic Revision of Anemone L. Subgenus Anemonanthea (DC.) Juz. sensu lato (Ranunculaceae)
Also does anyone grow: Anemone nemorosa ssp. altaica?
Razvan
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I grow A. nem. altaica - some from Siberia and some from Japan ('pseudo-altaica'). None of the roots have flowered yet.
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Razvan I do not have acces to that Journal, but I found some interesting articles from a group of Holderegger.
They have studied central European Anemone nemorosa and seen that the A.N is much more fertile when crossed with an other plant than with it self, but there is sometimes seed of the selfings as well. As a result the genetic closenes is just around the plant and more than 50 cm away there is not more close DNA than 150m.
Maybe this will influence how the breeding will be done.
So far I have only read the abstracts but I think the articles will be interesting.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Dear Joakim
Could you give me the exact particulars of that article? The title, authors, journal?
Thanks
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Razvan I can later post links to the abstracts and if You send Your email in a private message I might be able to get the articles
Joakim
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Here are the articles and their abstracts.
Title
Estimation of the relative importance of sexual and vegetative reproduction in the clonal woodland herb Anemone nemorosa
Author
Holderegger, Rolf; Stehlik, Ivana; Schneller, J. Jakob
Abstract
Abstract Anemone nemorosa is a perennial rhizomatous plant of European woodlands. The "probability of clonal identity" method estimated the relative proportion of sexual to vegetative reproduction in this species to be 4.4% from allozyme genotype distributions. This result is congruent with investigations on the germination, short-term demography, population genetics, and breeding system of this species, and supports the hypothesis that even low levels of seedling recruitment can maintain considerable intrapopulational genetic diversity.
Keyword
Key words Anemone nemorosa . Clonal identity . Repeated seedling recruitment . Sexual reproduction . Vegetative reproduction
Magazine
Oecologia
Publisher
Springer
ISSN
00298549
År
1998
Volym
117
Nummer
1-2
Page
105-107
Titel
Spatial Genetic Structure and Clonal Diversity of Anemone nemorosa in Late Successional Deciduous Woodlands of Central Europe
Författare
Ivana Stehlik; Rolf Holderegger
Abstract
1 We tested whether established populations in similar environmental conditions exhibit similar or varying spatial genetic structures by comparing populations of the long-lived species Anemone nemorosa from a number of late successional deciduous woodlands in Central Europe. We discuss the ways in which genetic structure may have been shaped by clonal growth and sexual reproduction. 2 A standardized sampling strategy was used to collect 30 ramets from each of 20 populations. Genotypes of the samples were determined by allozyme electrophoresis and analysed assuming that A. nemorosa shows tetraploid-tetrasomic inheritance. 3 Genetic variation and clonal diversity were high compared with other clonal species. Most (95%) of the sampled ramets had unique multilocus genotypes with only 22 examples occurring more than once. Differences between observed and expected heterozygosities within populations were generally small to moderate. Fixation indices (mean of over 14 loci) in the populations ranged between 0.08 and 0.56 (grand mean = 0.21) confirming reports that the breeding system in A. nemorosa is predominantly outcrossing or mixed-mating. 4 Limited historic gene flow among populations (Nm = 0.62) was reflected by high population differentiation (G<latex>ST</latex> = 0.29), low genetic identities among populations and a non-significant correlation between these identities and geographical distances. 5 Spatial autocorrelation (Moran's I) showed no significant differences in genetic structures between populations under similar environmental conditions. Samples taken less than 0.5 m apart were genetically more closely related than to more distant samples, but similarity of genotypes decreased only slightly with further increase in distance. 6 The high levels of genetic variation found in populations of A. nemorosa are probably due to repeated seedling recruitment and the outcrossing or mixed-mating breeding system, whereas vegetative propagation and short-distance seed dispersal may contribute to the positive genetic autocorrelation observed at a small spatial scale.
Nyckelord
Allozymes; Clonal Size; Repeated Seedling Recruitment; Spatial Autocorrelation; Tetrasomic Inheritance
Tidskrift
Journal of Ecology
Förlag
British Ecological Society
ISSN
00220477
År
2000
Volym
88
Nummer
3
Sida
424-435
Title: Variation in breeding system among populations of the common woodland herb Anemone nemorosa (Ranunculaceae)
Author(s): Muller N, Schneller JJ, Holderegger R
Source: PLANT SYSTEMATICS AND EVOLUTION 221 (1-2): 69-76 2000
Document Type: Article
Language: English
Cited References: 29 Times Cited: 3 Find Related Records Information
Abstract: Recent studies of germination in natural habitats, of genetic variation within populations and of the relative proportion of vegetative and sexual reproduction in the clonal plant species Anemone nemorosa suggest that sexual recruitment by seeds from outcrossed flowers is important for the maintenance of this species' populations. Because published reports on its breeding system are controversial, pollination experiments were performed in five natural populations of A. nemorosa. Differences in ovule number per flower were recorded among populations, but they were not related to obvious habitat differences. Seed/ovule-ratios were significantly higher after open pollination and artificial crossing than after either artificial or spontaneous selfing. Populations had no effect on seed/ovule-ratios. Different breeding indices indicated that A. nemorosa is mainly self-incompatible. Nevertheless, some seed set also occurred after selfing, and both artificial and spontaneous selfing exhibited higher variation in seed/ovule-ratios than open pollination and artificial crossing. Continuous variation in seed/ovule-ratios after selfing suggested that the expression and effectiveness of the self-incompatibility system of A. nemorosa is influenced by both genetic variation and phenotypic plasticity.
Author Keywords: Anemone nemorosa; breeding system; pollination experiments; self-incompatibility; woodland species
KeyWords Plus: SELF-INCOMPATIBILITY; BIOLOGY; LITTER
Addresses: Muller N (reprint author), Univ Zurich, Inst Systemat Bot, Zollikerstr 107, CH-8008 Zurich, Switzerland
Univ Zurich, Inst Systemat Bot, CH-8008 Zurich, Switzerland
Publisher: SPRINGER-VERLAG WIEN, SACHSENPLATZ 4-6, PO BOX 89, A-1201 VIENNA, AUSTRIA
Subject Category: PLANT SCIENCES; EVOLUTIONARY BIOLOGY
IDS Number: 331MG
ISSN: 0378-2697
Title: Effects of litter removal on the germination of Anemone nemorosa L
Author(s): Holderegger R
Source: FLORA 191 (2): 175-178 APR 1996
Document Type: Article
Language: English
Cited References: 12 Times Cited: 16 Find Related Records Information
Abstract: In a recent article, ERIKSSON (1995) showed high germination rates in Anemone nemorosa. To check whether ERIKSSON'S results are also valid in Central Europe, a litter removal experiment was carried out in Northeastern Switzerland. In both experimental series, litter removal plots and control plots, high germination of A. nemorosa occured. Nevertheless, litter removal greatly enhanced germination of A. nemorosa. A significant correlation between seedling number and ramet density within the plots; pointed to a dominance of very local dispersal. These facts lead to the hypothesis that reproduction by seeds in A. nemorosa as well as vegetative reproduction by clonal growth are of great importance for the maintenance of populations of this species. Surprisingly, no successful germination of A. nemorosa was detected in seed bank investigations.
Author Keywords: Anemone nemorosa; germination; litter removal; local dispersal; seed bank
Addresses: Holderegger R (reprint author), UNIV ZURICH, INST SYSTEMAT BOT, ZOLLIKERSTR 107, CH-8008 ZURICH, SWITZERLAND
Publisher: GUSTAV FISCHER VERLAG JENA, VILLENGANG 2, D-07745 JENA, GERMANY
Subject Category: PLANT SCIENCES
IDS Number: UH547
ISSN: 0367-2530
Title: SEEDLING RECRUITMENT IN DECIDUOUS FOREST HERBS - THE EFFECTS OF LITTER, SOIL CHEMISTRY AND SEED BANK
Author(s): ERIKSSON O
Source: FLORA 190 (1): 65-70 JAN 1995
Document Type: Article
Language: English
Cited References: 28 Times Cited: 54 Find Related Records Information
Abstract: A litter removal experiment, in combination with analyses of soil chemistry and seed bank, were performed to investigate the role of these factors for seedling recruitment of herbs and grasses in a deciduous forest fragment in Sweden. An additional experiment was used to investigate effects of seed availability and seed predation on germination of one selected species, Anemone nemorosa. Removal of litter increased both seedling number and species diversity among seedlings. No species was directly favoured by litter but a few species, most notably A. nemorosa, were capable of germination under litter. No relationships were found between recruitment and soil chemistry. Only 26% of the species in the established vegetation were found in the seed bank. Recruitment in the field, after litter removal, was positively correlated to size and diversity of the seed bank. Seedling recruitment of A. nemorosa was partly limited by seed availability and seed predation. As a generalization, it is suggested that an increase in seed size among deciduous forest herbs implies (1) that litter effects of recruitment decrease, (2) that species become less likely to have a persistent seed bank, (3) that effects of seed predation increase, and (4) that recruitment limitation by seed availability becomes increasingly important.
Author Keywords: GERMINATION; LITTER; PLANT COMMUNITY STRUCTURE; SEED BANK; SEED SIZE; SPECIES DIVERSITY
KeyWords Plus: ANEMONE-NEMOROSA L; GROUND COVER; LEAF LITTER; HERBACEOUS VEGETATION; SPECIES COMPOSITION; LATHYRUS-VERNUS; PLANT COMMUNITY; EMERGENCE; PREDATION; DYNAMICS
Addresses: ERIKSSON O (reprint author), UNIV STOCKHOLM, DEPT BOT, S-10691 STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN
Publisher: GUSTAV FISCHER VERLAG JENA, VILLENGANG 2, D-07745 JENA, GERMANY
Subject Category: PLANT SCIENCES
IDS Number: QF048
ISSN: 0367-2530
Enjoy the scientific abstract and I hope it will improve the ways to propagate anemone nemorosa
Kind regards
Joakim
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Joakim, did you type all that by hand or did you use a scan and text recognition software?
thank you
John
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John I had partial electonic acces and then I edited it in word before posting.
Joakim
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Dear Joakim
My address is razvan.chisu@gmail.com
I would appreciate those articles.
Thanks.
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Razvan
The articles are sent so You can take away Your email if You want :)
Hope You enjoy them. I can also send it to other that might be interested.
Joakim
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Joakim, I would also like the articles, please. My husband is studying woodland ground flora, and would be very interested. Thanks! :)
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Anne W / Barry
The articles are sent.
Hope You and Barry enjoy them.
Joakim
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It is odd that all the discussion happened in mid-winter. Now is when my anemones
are in full bloom.
I made the mistake of planting two near each other, and only one is blooming. Is
this A. altaica or A.nemorosa Lychette?
The next two are A.n.'Bracteata' which is unstable - I never know quite what to
expect of it. A few of the flowers have a dark blue base, but not every year.
I bought one called Blue Eyes but it just has small single white flowers, never with
a blue eye. I know nemorosas need time to be true to their type, but I have
had Blue Eyes in one place for about four years, so I am sure that is time enough.
I bought it from Heronswood which had imported it from the U.K., but there was
a wrong label somewhere along the way.
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Diane nice anemone with the blue on them :)
I have not seen that but it might exist.
I think the thread stared due to desperation for spring and all of us were loning for spring with anemone and hepatica. (Atleast I were longing) Now with the spring being here abd the pics of enemone and hepatica I get less homesick.
Kind regards
Joakim
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If you would like some true Blue Eyes and want to take a chance in the post once dormant I can sort you out with some. A friend has 1000s of them
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I'd like some too, if possible. ;D ::) :P
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Here some of the Anemone nemorosa's that were flowering today.
Henk westerhof
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OK Razvan. Do your friends call you Raz or Razo ..?
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A, nemorosa 'Tups'
(http://home.no.net/oddane/A_nemorosa_tups.jpg)
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Just Raz. :D
Thanks
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Henk,
Just wondering about A. n. 'Blue Eyes'. I don't grow it myself so I wanted to check with you. Is the colour as good a pink as your photograph shows? It seems to be a very attractive plant. Indeed, the pink colouring seems to me to be more worthy of note than the blue eye.
Many thanks, Paddy
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Joakim,
Would have sent this privately but didn't have your email--as long as the articles you provided on this forum are already in electronic form, I'd love to see them...
Carlo
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Carlo the articles are sent :)
I can send them to anyone else who is interested. 8)
Nice pictures everyone and I think that here it is shown that the flowers vary a bit and that they have a tendency to cheat a bit and have seedlings amongst each other that are slightly different. One more lovely than the other.
Kind regards
Joakim
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Dear Paddy,
In real it is a little more white, it has a pink blush.
Henk Westerhof
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My 'Blue Eyes' stays white, even when aging.
Hannelotte
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Henk, Hannelotte,
A. n. 'Blue Eyes' seems to be a very good plant. Many thanks for the photographs.
Paddy
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Some new forms I found yesterday.
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Nice Anemones Bjarne. Congratulations 8)
Were they growing in the wild or in Your garden. I have understood that if one has a few different types in the garden there is a high chance of them mixing after a while and can hence create new nice forms.
Close inspecting of anemones gives great rewards I have understood from the forum. From distance most are "just"white. I must have a look at the wild population around where we are in Sweden ;D. Here in Portugal I have not found any. :-\
Kind regards
Joakim
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They grow in the wild. I will try to hand pollinating the different forms. Does anybody have some experience? I need some good advice :)
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Another wild form. This plant have two flower on the stem!
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very interesting. A local old overgrown garden has many different shades of colour but no dare I say freaks.
Blue Eyes seen in the garden of Margaret Glynn
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I'm sorry, I can't resist .....I never knew Margaret had such beautiful blue eyes!
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Now I have found some ’monster anemone nemorosa’. I was scared. What have happened here? Disease? The plants grow in a sandbank in a small river under some Alnus glutinosa. Most of the nemorosa was normal, but spreads around some of this ’monsters’ grow.
(http://forum.hageselskapet.no/files/~images/05292007115405_monsterkvitveis1.jpg)
"Monster nemorosa"
(http://forum.hageselskapet.no/files/~images/05292007115423_monsterkvitveis2.jpg)
A normal A. nemorosa for likening
(http://forum.hageselskapet.no/files/~images/05292007115458_monsterkvitveis3.jpg)
Red variants
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Bjarne, this could be what we call 'big leaf' disease. Were some of the leaves thick and distorted too?
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Bjarne, this could be what we call 'big leaf' disease. Were some of the leaves thick and distorted too?
Yes, the leaves stem and flower where thick and a little bit distorted. What is ‘big leaf’ disease?
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That is a good question. As far as I know, nobody has been able to find out what causes it, and it doesn't appear every year. It might be weather conditions when buds are being formed, or an organism that just has not been found yet. If it appears in a garden, it is best to take out affected plants just in case.
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Here is an identification problem. I obtained the two anemones below as A = Vestal and B = Flore Pleno. A has a ring of stamens around the pom-pom in the middle, B is much later flowering and doesn't have obvious stamens. Can anyone confirm (or otherwise) the ID?
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I would say they are both vestal. The problem is that the flowers can change especially if they have been disturbed. You might find next year they are different again. They are mixed up in the trade a lot.
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I don't think so, Susan. I've had them both for over 20yrs, and they've been in their current positions for 10. Also the 'flore pleno' never displays its stamens as does 'Vestal', and always begins to flower after 'vestal' is almost over. Hmmmm..
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I have received from Matthias Thomsen, in Germany, a small rhizome of a fantastic A. nemerosa which is a stable, double green form. Much better than bracteata plena.
Here are 2 pics he sent me of his plant, which he names A. nemerosa 'Sammerberg'.
Another related plant that I am extremely fond of, is the cross between anemone nemerosa and anemone ranunculoides : the daintiest pale and soft yellow you could dream of...
Zephirine
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The hybrid is a favourite of mine too, Zephirine. I have it under 3 different names - x lipsiensis, x seemanii and 'Pallida'. Maybe someone can tell us which is correct.
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Nice anemones :)
The wild cross is x lipsiensis and exists for example in Sweden where it is known under the name "svavelsippa" sulfur anemone would be the English translation. I do not know what the name is for an artificial cross of it.
Kind regards
Joakim
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I have been trying to collect Anemone nemorosa and its close relatives for some years. It started by finding my grandfather's robinsoniana in the woods. I will try to post pictures but I cannot do it today :(
My experience is just as has been pointed out previously.
Some of them vary from year to year. Some are probably mis-named.
The worst offenders are the pink ones. I have many clones of nemorosa on my premises and I sometimes try to move pink ones into the garden but they usually turn white. I have received pink named ones from others and they are not more pink than my native ones. A REAL pink one is what I would like to see like the one posted by Bjarne? last year.
Most of the blues are very very similar.
I have had blue eyes two years. It had no blue eye but the shape was right.
I have ranuncloides plena and semiplena and the only difference I can see is the label.
I have monstrosa and bracteata plena and they differ more from year to year than between themselves. I wonder whether they in reality have mycoplasma infection.
This is a good topic today. It is snowing
Göte
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x seemanii is a synonym for x lipsiensis. I don't think I've heard 'Pallida' being used for it. NYBG grew a nice clump of it at the base of a black oak in the rock garden...
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there are 2 forms of 'x seemanii/x lipsiensis/pallida' going around, i have or did have both of them, one is much paler than the other with darker foliage and is later/earlier? than the other.I think the paler one is often refered to as Pallida. I also heard but I don't know if it is true that x seemanii and x lipsiensis are the reverse cross of each other.
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I had never heard of either of the 3 names for this nemerosa x ranunculoides cross, which had (so far) made my life simpler! ;D
I have similar experience regarding pink ones from our woodland (they are nearly invasive in N/E France!), emerging disappointedly white in my garden the next year....
I guess the quality of the soil (acidic, alkaline, all kinds of in-betweens)has a large influence on the colour: the more acidic, the more colourful they seem to be. And, alas, my soil is slightly alkaline, hence with less intense colouring! :(
Did you notice similar (apparent) link?
The only nemerosa which I had problems to get settled in my garden is 'Vestal'.
I hope the 3rd try will be the good one : it did bloom last spring, which makes me hope it will return...
Zephirine
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No Zephirine,
I have the same alkalinity everywhere so it is not that.
I guess that
A: They just vary from year to year.
B: I feed them too well and the pink sometimes is s stress symptom.
You could have luck with one - I hope I will have.
The cross ranuncloides x nemorosa is not VERY uncommon when they grow together. For this reason, a number of slightly different crosses have been brought into gardens. It seems to me that the three names should be regarded as synonyms - One of the names should be the correct one according to the rules but I do not know which. If we want to distinguish different clones we should give them cultivar names.
Göte
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Anemone x lipsiensis'Pallida' is a form which was awarded and AGM from the RHS Joint Rock Committee. See here for a page on this plant :
http://www.rhs.org.uk/WhatsOn/gardens/rosemoor/archive/rosemoorpom06mar.asp
you will see that is is described as a "vigorous hybrid between A. nemorosa and A. ranunculoides "