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Bulbs => NARCISSUS => Topic started by: YT on March 02, 2011, 07:13:14 AM
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Thank you for all showing great Narcissus pictures :) I'm really enjoying to see them.
I've got 2 bulbs labelled as Narcissus triandrus x N. cantabricus var. petunioides. Their flower stalks are too short to hang its flowers down...
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Gerry, I never seen this N. albidus in the wild, but I would say it is the same species than N. albicans, or a north African speciation from the same species. Saying this In my opinion there are 3 forms of N. albicans and (f. cantabricus, f. intermedia and f. bulbocodium) To me N. albidus is N. albicans f. cantabricus, impossible to make the differences trough pictures. I think I posted before these pictures, all of them are N. albicans.
Thanks Rafa, these bulbocodiums are a nightmare!
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You are absolutely right Gerry...
Friday I will make an expedition to Jaen, probably the richest place in species from Iberia. I will make an hyper-post with all the most interesting pictures. I hope I could picture a special pupulation that it will change all your concepts of Narcissi :o ??? ;D
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Tatsuo, very nice little N. x matritensis ¿do you know the procedence?
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You are absolutely right Gerry...
Friday I will make an expedition to Jaen, probably the richest place in species from Iberia. I will make an hyper-post with all the most interesting pictures. I hope I could picture a special pupulation that it will change all your concepts of Narcissi :o ??? ;D
Rafa, that sounds wonderful.... may I suggest you place the posts in a special thread?
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Tatsuo, very nice little N. x matritensis ¿do you know the procedence?
Gracias, Rafa :)
Unfortunately I’m not sure the origin of my too short hybrid. Now I actually have a question about its parentage ??? If one side parent were true ‘var. petunioides’, the hybrid would have more open-mouthed corona (like as a picture in J. S. Wells’ ‘Modern Miniature Daffodils’, p.115, bottom right) than mine ??? ??? I suppose mine is a hybrid between N. triandrus and some N. cantabricus variation with short stem ??? ??? ??? So I mentioned ‘labelled as’ in my previous post ;)
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Tatsuo, In this hybrid, it doesn't matter if the parent were f. petunioides, sub. petunioides, kesticus etc.... the result with pallidulus will be the same plant N. x matritensis. But in your plants, appart little scape, I can see N. b. graellsii, N. b. nivalis or N. b. validus leaf, I think is another crosses probably N x matritensis x N. bulbocodium subsp.(nivalis ??? )
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It is very nice, and well grown. Maybe the stem will get longer as the flowers open?
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Rafa - they should all be confusus! I look forward to seeing your report from Jaen.
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WE are all confusus, or confusa in my case. ??? ??? ??? ;D
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Tatsuo, In this hybrid, it doesn't matter if the parent were f. petunioides, sub. petunioides, kesticus etc.... the result with pallidulus will be the same plant N. x matritensis. But in your plants, appart little scape, I can see N. b. graellsii, N. b. nivalis or N. b. validus leaf, I think is another crosses probably N x matritensis x N. bulbocodium subsp.(nivalis ??? )
That sounds very interesting, Rafa :o I thought N. x matritensis is sterile. So my hybrid narcissus has probably more complex background ???
It is very nice, and well grown. Maybe the stem will get longer as the flowers open?
Thanks Anne :) The oldest flower is already 9 day-old today but they still touch the soil surface :(
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should we not now have a thread for spring?
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should we not now have a thread for spring?
Hmmm... some unaccustomed optimism from you there, Tony? ;) ;D ;D
You may be right.... it is Spring from some of the super photos...... I'll go make a split to the thread!
Februay is split off http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6855 ( with some March posts as a continuation of a discussion)
and now this is March Narcisssus :D
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Narcissus asturiensis
This form from Susan Band (Pitcairn Alpines).
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A very nice photo of one of my favourite narcissi.
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Thank you Anne.
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More than two weeks earlier in bloom than last year :
Narcissus x cyclamineus "Mitzi" - love it's delicacy... :D
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I have this as Narcissus watieri.
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Looks right, Arnold - very nice.
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Narcissus jonquilla var. henriquesii
This has responded well to a very hot dry bake last summer.
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Narcissus rupicola
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Narcissus triandrus "Wild collected"
(Edit by maggi to resize picture to maximum width 760 pixels )
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Very nice Arnold. How do you grow this? I find it impossible to keep going.
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Gerry:
Not sure which one you refer to , but they are growing side by side. I have them growing in a commercial potting mix with 25% play sand. The greenhouse is kept around 43-48F. Good sunlight from 11 AM to sunset. First year I have them so time will tell if they return.
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Great show everybody !!
I had this tiny N. fernandesii in flower today :D
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Dear all,
I came across with some daffodils today while i visit a friend of mine and i could pick those for post in the forum in order to identify ( according to her knowledge they came from England)
First photo 0668_2 dafodil has another 2 small flowers just below the higher one,
kasun
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Arnold , a beautyful photo of your N. watieri , it looks like mine , but I have it labelled N. rupicola ssp. watieri.
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Otto:
Blanchard lists it as Narcissus rupicola ssp. watieri
and Daffseek as
Narcissus rupicola subsp. watieri
Thanks
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Luc, is it possible your Mitzy might be Snipe?
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Luc, is it possible your Mitzy might be Snipe?
I don't think so.............
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Here's a photo of my Mitzy, left, and Snipe ... but maybe mine are wrong. My Mitzys came from Joe Sharman
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Mitzy fades to creamy white within a few days, has a slightly flared trumpet with a flared frilly mouth
Snipe remains bi-coloured, has a straight trumpet with a slightly flared mouth
Mitzy taken today during high wind, rain and threatening snow
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It's a lovely thing.
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She is. I think it needs to be chipped this year
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::) ;)
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:)
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Just in flower
Narcissus cantabricus from the Segovia area with unusually protruding anthers
Gerd
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Narcissus rupicola ssp. watieri flowering well for me this year.
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Lovely Roma. It's odd that this year I have lost both N. rupicola and N. rupicola ssp watieri, probably kept them too wet!
Very nice cantabricus Gerd.
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Lovely Narcissus Gerd & Roma.
Roma - how do you treat N. rupicola subsp. watieri during summer dormancy?
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three of my narcissus in flower
Narcissus alpestris a Mike salmon collection
Narcissus longispathus
Narcissus monophyllus
Gerry I keep my watieri dry and warm once they go dormant for the rest of the summer
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Very nice, all. Gerd that is a lovely cantabricus. I bet it would make a nice hybrid with triandrus....
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N. longispathus is a beauty
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Thanks, David & Gerry.
Narcissus rupicola ssp. watieri spends the summer under the bench in the greenhouse. I think it did not do so well in the cold frame where it did not get so warm. It was not repotted this year and it was late before it got watered. I broke my hip on August 1st and one of my daughters did the greenhouse watering for quite a long time. It was a while before I was fit enough to go to the greenhouse and tell her which pots to put on top of the bench after making space so I'm not sure when we started watering them.
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Narcissus alpestris - from a Mike Salmon collection. This is a selected clone, slow to increase but worth the wait.
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Tony & Roma - Thanks for your comments on summer treatment of N. rupicola subsp. watieri. Jim Archibald advises never to bake but I can't make up my mind on the best way to deal with them. In previous years I've kept some of them completely dry but relatively cool & kept others in an open frame. It didn't seem to make any difference as regards flowering, so last summer I left them all in the open frame & no flowers at all this year. Too damp?
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Thanks Anne, David & Gerry -
I think it is fair to pass the compliments to the donor from El Espinar
also.
Gerd
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Yesterday we visited Knightshayes Court (the camera stayed behind-inadvertantly ::) ) and I was struck by the drifts of Daffs and rushed into print elsewhere with a description of drifts of Narcissus obvallaris. I was speaking with someone today who took the view that they were unlikely to be obvallaris and much more likely to be N. pseudonarcissus ssp. lobularis.
Now, this has thrown me a bit since I can find no reference to lobularis in Blanchard or in the RHS Botanical Classification. Someone put David right please!
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David - see Blanchard p192: "N. lobularis Hort = N. nanus Spach" (unlikely I presume); "N. lobularius Schultes = N. obvallaris Salisb."
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Gerry, many thanks for that, I had only looked in the main index (I rarely find anything I'm looking for in the main index!!). So, they are one and the same?
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Narcissus bulbocodium
From a collection by Bob & Rannveig Wallis (RRW 8832), Tahanout, High Atlas, Morocco.
The relatively large flowers open on scapes only 5-6 cm long.
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That's a beauty Gerry. Obviously you managed them very successfully through the cold period last December.
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Thanks Ashley. Although I lost a few crocus, Narcissus were unscathed despite being in an unprotected sand plunge.
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A great plant Gerry !
I have Narcissus x cyclamineus "The Usurper" in flower right now ! :D
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Very nice Gerry.
I like "The Usurper" Luc, what's it's history?
Some of mine:-
The first three are Narcissus bulbocodium from Brian Duncan under his code SEL2847,
and the next two a pot of Narcissus obvallaris, that I got as Lobularis, that I'm bulking up for the garden.
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very nice daffodils from everbody 8)
David,
why do you call your 'lobularis' 'obvallaris'?
This is the typical wild form (N. pseudonarcissus ssp. pseudonarcissus (syn. N. lobularis of trade)) from the Eifel.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3424.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3424.0)
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David,
why do you call your 'lobularis' 'obvallaris'?
Following the information on the various synonyms and publication dates, we can see that 'obvallaris' is the oldest name........
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-311002
Narcissus lobularis Schult. & Schult.f. is a synonym of Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. major (Curtis) Baker
original publication details: Syst. Veg. 7: 1732 1830
Narcissus pseudonarcissus f. lobularis (Haw.) Voss is a synonym of Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. pseudonarcissus
original publication details: Vilm. Blumengärtn. ed. 3 1: 1023 1895
Narcissus pseudonarcissus f. obvallaris (Salisb.) Voss is a synonym of Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. major (Curtis) Baker
original publication details: Vilm. Blumengärtn. ed. 3 1: 1023 1895
Narcissus obvallaris Salisb. is a synonym of Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. major (Curtis) Baker
original publication details: Prodr. Stirp. Chap. Allerton 221 1796.
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"N. lobularius Schultes = N. obvallaris Salisb."
See my reply 48 above
David - see Blanchard p192: "N. lobularis Hort = N. nanus Spach" (unlikely I presume); "N. lobularius Schultes = N. obvallaris Salisb."
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Ladies & Gents!
Many thanks I expected this reply... ::)
For me N. xxx lobularis of trade (=The Lent Lily) and N. obvallaris (=The Tenby Daffodil) remain still two different species...
I support Narcissus pseudonarcissus f. lobularis (Haw.) Voss is a (obsolete) synonym of Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. pseudonarcissus
I found also in Plantago:
Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. major=
Auteurs: (Curtis) Baker
Synoniemen: Narcissus confusus Pugsley, Narcissus hispanicus Gouan, Narcissus major Curtis, Narcissus maximus Hort.
Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. obvallaris=
Auteurs: (Salisb.) A.Fern.
Synoniemen: Narcissus obvallaris Salisb., Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. lobularis
Narcissus pseudonarcissus=
Auteurs: L.
Synoniem: Narcissus lobularis
Confused? ;D
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Narcissus obesus x triand, thanks Anne
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Ladies & Gents!
Many thanks I expected this reply... ::)
For me N. xxx lobularis of trade (=The Lent Lily) and N. obvallaris (=The Tenby Daffodil) remain still two different species...
I support Narcissus pseudonarcissus f. lobularis (Haw.) Voss is a (obsolete) synonym of Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. pseudonarcissus
I found also in Plantago:
Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. major=
Auteurs: (Curtis) Baker
Synoniemen: Narcissus confusus Pugsley, Narcissus hispanicus Gouan, Narcissus major Curtis, Narcissus maximus Hort.
Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. obvallaris=
Auteurs: (Salisb.) A.Fern.
Synoniemen: Narcissus obvallaris Salisb., Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. lobularis
Narcissus pseudonarcissus=
Auteurs: L.
Synoniem: Narcissus lobularis
Confused? ;D
Armin - according to Blanchard a synonym for N.obvallaris Salisb is N. lobularius Schultes not N. lobularis. However Kew does not recognise the existence of the name N. lobularius .
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Thanks Gerry for the explanation of the fine difference! :D
David,
to take any (hidden) doubts away from you... ???
Your plant is Narcissus pseudonarcissus subsp. pseudonarcissus. ;) ;D
Excellent for use in the garden.
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Armin, I just call it my nice looking little Daff. ;D
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My first Nacissus opened with the last two days of sun. Just Love It! ;D ;D ;D Spring is really here. The fotos are only OK, but, in my jubilance, it's all the same to me.
Phalarope
Jetfire
jonquilla var henriquesii (from Anne)
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I like the colour combination of Phalarope
here is Mitzy that has now changed from yellow to almost white
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Narcissus obesus x triand, thanks Anne
Way ahead of mine, Michael. Nice to see my babies enjoying their new homes!
Your Mitzy is very distinct from my Snipe, Mark. Very pretty.
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Anne no pollen for you. They either have no pollen or shed their pollen during the recent bad weather
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Some Narcissus are flowering here now:
the first one is Narcissus 'Tête à Tête'
the second one might be is 'Jetfire' (I'm not sure, though) (Thanks Jamie) and of the third one I don't remember the name is Narcissus 'Ice Follies' (Thanks Anne).
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Yeah, that's Jetfire for sure. That last is in my garden, as well. Forgot it's name, but it does occaisionally have a filled cup. Along with Tête à Tête and Phalarope, these are the first to bloom with me every year.
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Yeah, that's Jetfire for sure. That last is in my garden, as well. Forgot it's name, but it does occaisionally have a filled cup. Along with Tête à Tête and Phalarope, these are the first to bloom with me every year.
Thanks for confirming the ID of Jetfire, Jamie.
The last one is always the first of the cultivars with large flowers to flower here.
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I think it might be Ice Follies.
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I think it might be Ice Follies.
Anne,
I think your right. The name certainly rings a bell and it very much looks like that cultivar. Thanks for the determination.
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A couple of mine from today:-
Firstly Narcissus 'Jim Lad' from Anne's List. Maybe my example is a little etiolated, stem about 20cm high, as a result of being situated in a shady part of the greenhouse.
The second is N. fernandesii var. cordubenis from Tony Willis who, I think, grew it from seed he collected in Grazalema, Spain.
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Very nice, David. Jim Lad will get that tall in a greenhouse sometimes, especially if light levels are low. Ones outside in a trough are flowering at about 5cm high.
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Many thanks Anne, it really is a cracker. I'll leave it in the greenhouse for another year and then it will go in a choice spot in the garden.
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Watch for slugs!
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Here are a few out now in my collection, first lot are commercial hybrids:
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Next are species ,but including the BD's x susannae (much coveted by all who have seen her):
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Some of my own hybrids:
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Last for now:
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Anne - You certainly have some little darlings there. 2665 is absolutely smashing as well as 2775. I don't think anyone has ever hit the nail on the head with naming as you did with the stunning Papa Snoz, brilliant; looks like Popeye's dad. Great work.
johnw
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Papa Snoz, and the rest in the first batch of pictures, are not of my breeding - so not my choice of name. It is one of Graham Fleming's seedlings at Keira nursery in Australia. Nice little daff, though a bit big for pot work. When I have enough, I'll put some outside.
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Anne, stunning selection of (more or less) miniature daffodils - love them all!
do you test your own bred ones outside?
- and a second question: do you know the (geographical) origin of the N. romieuxii?
Gerd
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A very nice collection Anne. Like Gerd I'm interested in the provenance of the N. romieuxii; it sems to be a late-flowering form.
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It's a nice one isn't it, and quite distinctive. I'll contact the friend who gave me it to see if he can tell me the provenance.
I do test mine outside when I have enough, but since I haven't been producing them that long, not many come into that category yet. Sidora and Jim Lad are both fine out in a trough, and grow shorter there.
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Cracking collection Anne, some mouth watering crosses there.
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hmmm, I can see I'm going to have to sneak up to your garden Anne with the bucket & spade ;D
I like nos 2655, 62 & 64 ... and 75 & 76 ... perhaps I should just tell you the ones I don't like ::)
They really are little gems ( I know thats a lettuce before someone steps in) and you can't help but smile when you see them. Some of mine are just bursting through.
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Here are some Narcissus currently in bloom in my bulb house.
The first two I have as N. fernandesii - is this correct
The last one has no name - can someone hazard a guess at what it might be.
Thanks
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Art, I answered this in the Feb thread, and poked you in the eye too ;D
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Some daffs - just full flowering
1. Narcissus x susannae - the cross made my mother nature
2.+3. Narcissus hedraeanthus x triandrus (N. x cazorlanus)
4. Narcissus albicans - a yellowish tinted cantabricus
Gerd
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(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i76/arykana/2011/nrci.jpg) they started in my garden
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hmmm, I can see I'm going to have to sneak up to your garden Anne with the bucket & spade ;D
Did I forget to mention the minefield and attack dogs? ;D
Gerd, what lovely hybrids!
Re the romieuxii shown earlier. It seems that the friend whogave it to me also gave me another kind, and I have the labels switched. The bulbs I showed are N. bulbocodium genuinus x 'Jessamy'.Below is the N. romieuxii FS126.
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Anne,
Thanks for compliments and information!
Gerd
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Hello again to all SRGC friends.
Here are some pictures that might surprise you and reinforce my theory of Narcissi evolution through successfull hybridisation process.
This is Narcissus x tuckeri (N. blancoi x N. fernandesii) in origin, but probably it is currently setting fertile seeds like other narcissus species.
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Narcissus fernandesii and Empusa pennata
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N. x incurvicervicus (N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus x N. fernandesii), N. triandrus is the "mother"
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Rafa,
something new! Wow, I had no idea this hydrid even existed. I take it N. blancoi is a bulbocodium type. Great to see such expanses of bloom. I take it, this hybrid produces seed.
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Rafa that preying mantis is fantastic,the Narcissus is too ;D
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thank you, I will post some other species
Narcissus jonquilla in Jaén
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Beautiful pictures and interesting, as always. Thanks Rafa.
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This is Narcissus blancoi, a controverted species that I support. I think it is a young species very variable, and I think its origin is the cross between N. cantabricus and N. hedraeanthus.
There are places with N. hedraeanthus and N. blancoi mixed, and it is not easy to determine pure species because there are intermediate plants. Also there are places with N. blancoi and N. cantabricus mixed and it is more easy to determine both species and the hybrids between them, because N. cantabricus blooms before N. blancoi.
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This is a comparative with three plants Narcissus triandrus subsp. pallidulus, Narcissus jonquilla and the hybrid in the center N. x nutans
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Another plant that I recently pictured. I was absolutely wrong concerning this plant and the bulbocodium from Gredos, Sierra de Estrella and Guadarrama Mt,: Linneo described N. bulbocodium L. in Peñalara, the highest mountain in Guadarrama, and then Graells called it subsp. nivalis that I considered valid as I thought N. bulbocodium L. was described in Ciudad Real. The pictures are from this bulbocodium I wrongly called Narcissus bulbocodium L., but I don't know the correct name it is the bulbocodium from Castilla la Mancha-Extremadura.
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Beautiful pictures and interesting, as always. Thanks Rafa.
And it just gets better :)
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This confusion didn't affect the hybrid names but its necessary to know that the bulbocodium parent is different in the following cases
Narcissus x rozeirae F. Casas = N. bulbocodium L. (father) x N. triandrus subsp pallidulus (mother)
The father is not N. bulbocodium L. it's the one above, from Extremadura - Castilla la Mancha
Narcissus x consolationis F. Casas = N. bulbocodium L. subdp. nivalis Graells (mother)x N. triandrus subsp pallidulus (father)
The mother is Narcissus bulbocodium L. from Guadarrama etc.. below
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this is N. bulbocodium L., the mother of N. x consolationis
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Fascinating Rafa. Many thanks.
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Returning to N. blacoi and N. hedraeanthus I was also able to compare the hybrids with N. triandrus subsp. pallidulus blooming all together at the same time. N. x montielanus is always bigger than N. x cazorlanus, shorter pedicel, bulbocodium like perianth tube...
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A wonderful series of photos, Rafa. Many thanks. Were both parents among the hybrids in the field shown in your first post?
I had to smile at the last photo of N. x montielanus, which seems to show damage on the corolla by bumble bees robbing nectar. I am currently chasing them away from my flowers so they do not become spoiled before a show next weekend. I am losing the race. :-\
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Both dissapeared, they were ecologicaly displaced by the hybrid, also helped by the human activities. N. blancoi were completely removed to use the country for olive trees and only very very few plants are surviving quite far from this field.
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Narcissus bulbocodium
A trade form of unknown provenance. Received as N. bulbocodium subsp. nivalis.
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A second terrible year for my narcissus with many dieing having had the roots killed by the cold.
Some that have survived in flower now
Narcissus bulbocodium
Narcissus bulbocodium ssp citrinus
Narcissus rupicola
narcissus calcicola a gift from Melvyn
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My sympathies for your losses Tony. Here narcissus seem to have emerged unscathed though I have lost some crocus &, surprisingly, a well established plant of Daphne retusa.
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Have I finally got the true Narcissus bulbocodium ssp. obesus,?
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Can't compete with Rafa's pictures from the wild. Here is my jonquilla (thanks Anne)
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;DHi Anne
Nice seedlings. I hope you have used Papa Snoz in your hybridising. It is a diploid and this means it can be used both ways with most of our miniature seedlings. Papa Snoz multiplies well and produces a lot of pollen. Its seedlings tend to inherit its petal texture and substance. You can use it for both cyclamineus and standard hybridising.
Kind regards
Graham
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Hi Graham,
Yes, the first of Papa Snoz' seedlings flowered this year as below. In some, I'm finding the flowers a bit too big, though might be more in scale next year. K numbers refer to your unnamed ones that I have. (too long to write down the whole set of numbers, so I've coded them.
Second Fiddle was admired at the Loughborough show.
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Michael, I would say yes.
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A puzzle - I grew this from seed kindly sent to me by another forumist as N. cuatrecasasii, but I don't think it is that species. I think it might be rupicola. Any ideas?
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Anne:
Looks like N. rupicola. The N. cuartrecasasii has slightly reflexed petals.
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Anne - I would be inclined to say N. rupicola. As far as I can see the corona looks somewhat lobed. According to Blanchard the corona of N. cuatrecasasii is "almost entire". I suppose everything hinges on how one interprets "almost"!
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This is the other plant I have as cuatracasasii.
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Anne you are right, this is N. cuatrecasasii, and the other plants were N. rupicola as Gerry said. I did a comparative with both species
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if you have a good smell sense and color perception, N. rupicola smells like Genista species and N. cuatrecasasii is unscented (or slightly sweet).
Talking about the colours N. rupicola has a colder yellow (cyan tendency) and N. cuatrecasasii has a warmer yellow (red tendency). All that appreciations are not valid in Botany and Taxonomy as they can't be kept in an Herbarium sheet, but I consider them very useful for us as gardeners.
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Rafa,
that comparison with the paint jars is just too cool!
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Rafa - that's a very useful comparison. Blanchard also mentions the difference in the arrangement of the anthers but I didn't notice. Many thanks.
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Thank you,
Here are some N. rupicola and N. cantabricus, no hybrids between :-\ :)
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A very helpful comparison, Rafa. I agree, the cuatrecasasii is a much warmer yellow. I love your photos of rupicola and cantabricus. I wonder what a hybrid would be like? ::) Is it genetically unlikely because of chromasome number? I have both species in flower, so I might try and see. I'll let you know in 4 years! ;D
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Some of mine from today:-
Narcissus 'Kenellis' from Anne's List. This is an old Alec Gray hybrid (registered prior to 1948) from N. bulbocodium ssp.bulbocodium var.citrinus x N. 'Snowflake'. (first three pics)
N. bulbocodium var.graellsii, this one from Rannveig Wallis. (next two pics0
N. bulbocodium ex. 96/200, from Brain Duncan. (final two pics)
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I do like the green stripes on the back of graelsii.
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A very helpful comparison, Rafa. I agree, the cuatrecasasii is a much warmer yellow. I love your photos of rupicola and cantabricus. I wonder what a hybrid would be like? ::) Is it genetically unlikely because of chromasome number? I have both species in flower, so I might try and see. I'll let you know in 4 years! ;D
Anne - it might work. According to Zonneveld, the chromosome no. of N. rupicola, N. cuatrecasasii & N.cantabricus subsp. cantabricus is the same: 2n = 14.
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Narcissus 'Jenny' flowering in the coldframe (must get it planted out)
and Narcissus 'Van Sion', first of my garden daffs.
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Narcissus tazetta 'Minnow'
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David your Narcissus 'Kenellis' look very elongated
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N. calcicola
Two forms:
1004 From AGS seed.
1022 From Monocot seed. Ex a Mike Salmon Collection (MS450), Serra dos Candeeiros, Portugal
My favourite narcissus species, not least because of its wonderful scent of violets. However, I don’t find it the easiest to manage. The AGS form in particular is susceptible to every kind of fungal rot known to man.
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David your Narcissus 'Kenellis' look very elongated
Agreed, but then so to were my 'Jim Lad'; Bowle's Early Sulphur; Elka etc. I think it's lack of light and I'll look to place them differently in the greenhouse next year.
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Beautiful Gerry.
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Thanks David.
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I love them Gerry, N. calcicola is a very beautiful species!
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Some big flowered Narcissus cultivars which are flowering here now; don't remember the name of them, tough. So if anyone can help me with names, that would be very nice.
The one on the third picture is Narcissus 'Cassata' (with thanks to Ulla Hansson for determinating the flower).
The one on the fifth picture is Narcissus 'Jack Snipe' (with thanks to Luit van Delft for determinating the flower).
And the one on the sixth picture is Narcissus 'Toby the First'
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Narcissus number 3 is similar to one that I bought as Narcissus Cassata.
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Narcissus number 3 is similar to one that I bought as Narcissus Cassata.
Yup, that's it. Thanks Ulla.
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I too have 'Toby the First' flowering at this time. I bought them at the SRGC Discussion weekend in 2009 - many thanks Luit for bringing them.
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I love them Gerry, N. calcicola is a very beautiful species!
I love them too Rafa.
Do you agree that both plants are forms of N. calcicola? I have wondered whether AGS 1004 might be N. scaberulus. The information I have (Blanchard) suggests that it can be very difficult to distinguish between the two species.
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Gerry, as far as I know, N. scaberulus have longer pedicels than N. calcicola. There is also an interesting character, N. scaberulus has noodles leaves in general, and N. calcicola has erect leaves. It also has longer corona than N. calcicola. They are currently considered Narcissus calcicola subsp. scaberulus and subsp. calcicola.
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Thanks Rafa. Both my plants have erect leaves. I'll stick with N. calcicola for the time being.
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Away for a few days, including a visit to Wisley on Wednesday(the day it's supposed to rain! :( ) so I'll get a few Daff pictures in before we go.
First two- Narcissus bulbocodium ssp.obesus showing some frost damage, this form from Anne's List
Third/Fourth- N. x tenuior from Brain Duncan, also showing some frost damage.
Fifth /Sixth N. 'Fairy Chimes' also from Anne's List
Seventh/Eighth N. alpestris a kind gift from Tony Willis in 2008
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Nice selection David here are a couple of mine in the garden now
N rupicola doing better than I expected and a bulbicodium with the epithet long turbo form (thanks Tony G)
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... and a few more
First /Second- Narcissus bulbocodium tenuifolius
Third- N. rupicola a tiny plant I bought at last years South West AGS Show and it hasn't grown any larger
Fourth/Fifth- N. 'Gypsy Queen' a gift from my friend Mike Quest who grows most things far bettr than I do, including this.
Sixth- N. rupicola ssp. watieri again a purchase from last years South West AGS Show
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Very nice David. Is your alpestris (slowly) increasing? Unfortunately my moschatus in the garden is heading in the opposite direction, also slowly, but I fear surely :'(
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Thanks Ashley, it hasn't increased at all. If it's any consolation I've lost N. moschatus in pots, outside, for two years running. :(
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....and a bulbicodium with the epithet long turbo form (thanks Tony G)
that should be 'long tube' or as I now label it 'long corona' as it has a relatively long, narrow corona especially when compared with ssp obesus. It is not a valid name, just my way of labelling a nameless form to disinguish it from other forms. It is quite a good doer. BTW Ian, how long have you had it outside? Does it do well? Mine seem to dwindle after a year or two but I think they may simply become overcrowded.
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Thanks to Tony, I showed a nice pot of this form at Hexham last weekend.
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....and a bulbicodium with the epithet long turbo form (thanks Tony G)
that should be 'long tube' or as I now label it 'long corona' as it has a relatively long, narrow corona especially when compared with ssp obesus. It is not a valid name, just my way of labelling a nameless form to disinguish it from other forms. It is quite a good doer. BTW Ian, how long have you had it outside? Does it do well? Mine seem to dwindle after a year or two but I think they may simply become overcrowded.
Tony
I have to be honest the plant has been outside (and also some in a pot bulbs inside) for some years and has barely flowered in the garden. But this year it seems to have settled and popped up in a couple places that t I had forgot about. I hope it stays happy
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Thanks Ashley, it hasn't increased at all. If it's any consolation I've lost N. moschatus in pots, outside, for two years running. :(
David and Ashley,
I find N. moschatus is extremely susceptible for narcissus fly. It was one of the first cvs I lost :'(
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Thanks Ashley, it hasn't increased at all. If it's any consolation I've lost N. moschatus in pots, outside, for two years running. :(
David and Ashley,
I find N. moschatus is extremely susceptible for narcissus fly. It was one of the first cvs I lost :'(
- the same with related Narcissus alpestris unfortunately !
Gerd
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David your Bowle's Early Sulphur, Kennellis and Elka can be grown outside.
Here's my Kenellis taken just now in a raised bed
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Her is a shot of Phalarope, matured colours, plus a real cutie I have from Anne, waitierii x gaditanus. I love the green-lemon colour of this 2cm or so blossom.
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Phalarope is a beauty. Mark, your Kenellis is a couple of weeks ahead of mine.
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David your Bowle's Early Sulphur, Kennellis and Elka can be grown outside.
That's my intention, when I've bulked 'em up a bit. It's not worthwhile planting one bulb out is it!
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Of course it's worth while planting a single bulb in the ground.
The wind very kindly blew all my Kenellis in to a tight group. Below them N. rupicola x Wee Bee
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imho a single bulb might be better in the ground than in a pot - certainly going on this winters results :P This from a man with far too many pots!
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Maybe you're both right but I don't have a raised bed for them-yet! ;D