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Narcissus triandus albus
« on: October 25, 2012, 07:57:30 AM »
Is there someone on the forum
who has seeds (or some bulbs) from Narcissus triandus albus
the real wild one
best with location where the mother-plants where collected

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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2012, 10:52:59 AM »
Is this what is now known as N triandrus ssp. triandrus? If so I could probably let you have some seed in a little while, but from my own several generations of home grown, not, I'm afraid, from wild material.
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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2012, 11:01:04 AM »
Here is a picture from the PBS

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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2012, 11:08:51 AM »
Probably all names aren't correct
The plant-list says they are all synonyms
from Narcissus triandrus

but I am after the ones on the pictures
called here angel tears

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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2012, 09:25:09 PM »
I've never had any labelled 'Angel's Tears' which I thought was a little closer to yellow, like 'Angel's Whisper,' et al.

What I have is what's above though it may be that those pictures are a little more heavily textured, if you see what I mean. At the recent Daffodil Show in Dunedin there were many of N. triandrus ssp triandrus or t. albus with slight variations in the form, such as crimped coronas, twisted sepals etc.
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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2012, 09:40:51 PM »
I am just after the wild one
not all the named selections

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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2012, 10:24:21 PM »
According to Blanchard, 'Angel's Tears' is the name given by Peter Barr  to 'N. triandrus albus' which is currently known as   N. triandrus var. triandrus. It was collected by Barr  in 1887 &  used to be widely available in the trade under this popular name.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2012, 10:26:40 PM by Gerry Webster »
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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2012, 10:32:17 PM »
Following The Plantlist N. triandrus var. triandrus doesn't exist
and is just Narcissus triandrus an accepted name

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/search?q=Narcissus+triandus+albus

Narcissus triandrus L.    Accepted    H    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus var. alejandrei Barra    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus subsp. calathinus Baker    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus subsp. capax (Salisb.) D.A.Webb    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus var. capax (Salisb.) Barra & G.López    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus subsp. cernuus (Salisb.) A.Fern.    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus var. cernuus (Salisb.) Baker    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus var. concolor (Haw.) Baker    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus var. loiseleurii (Rouy) A.Fern.    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus subsp. lusitanicus (Dorda & Fern.Casas) Barra    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus var. macleayi (Lindl.) Nyman    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus var. nutans (Haw.) Baker    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus var. paivae Barra    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus subsp. pallidulus (Graells) Rivas Goday    Synonym    L    WCSP
Narcissus triandrus subsp. pallidulus (Graells) D.A. Webb    Synonym    L    TRO
Narcissus triandrus var. pulchellus (Salisb.) Baker    Synonym    L    WCSP

« Last Edit: October 25, 2012, 10:34:29 PM by bulborum »
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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2012, 10:35:38 PM »
N. triandrus var. triandrus in the trade was wild collected material
but luckily not available sins a long time

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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2012, 10:44:49 PM »
You said you wanted material of wild origin.
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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2012, 10:56:39 PM »
Yes I prefer natural shapes
 
but I think there is a big difference
if wild collected material goes to a professional grower
who multiplies it the natural way (by seeds)
or to private gardens bought in a supermarket
where most of the time the bulbs die the first winter

for that I am happy it isn't allowed any more , to sell those bulbs

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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2012, 09:31:29 AM »
Hi Ronald,

Kurt Vickery often sells N. triandrus seed originating  from various collected locations. He will probabaly be sold out by now.  kvickery67@btinternet.com

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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2012, 09:55:24 AM »
Kurt Vickery is a good source -  N. triandrus has appeared in his last two lists. You could also try 'Simply Species' (Derek Donnison Morgan):

http://www.simplyspecies.co.uk/
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Re: Narcissus triandus albus
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2012, 06:55:54 PM »
Thanks Gerry and Susan

I mailed them both
I let you know what I found

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