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Title: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Shadylanejewel on March 16, 2012, 05:09:21 AM
Bought this Paeonia russoi v corsica six years ago, it comes up with this gorgeous dark foliage in the spring and then never gets very big and no flowers.

Any suggestions.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Paul T on March 16, 2012, 06:46:12 AM
Julie,

How deeply is it buried?  Is the crown at the surface?  If the crown is too deep there usually aren't flowers.  It needs the cold to mature the flowerbuds, without it they abort after growth commences.  I have some theories on bud formation in herbaceous paeonies, but I'm not expert so I'll keep them to myself.  ;D  If the crown is buried, I would next dormancy lift the plant to the surface, either by lifting it completely, or preferably by putting a shovel under one side of the plant and lifting it carefully and packing more soil under it.  This way, the majority of the roots stay fine and the plant won't be set back.  It will just be higher in the soil, rather than having been fully disturbed.

I'll be interested to hear whether others agree with all this or not.

Good luck with getting it to flower.  Fermi (Fermides on the forum) here in Australia I think has this species and it flowers beautifully.  I am very jealous.  I have seedlings coming along I think, but nothing near flowering.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Shadylanejewel on March 16, 2012, 03:19:47 PM
Hi Paul - Thank you for the suggestions.  I don't recall how deeply it is buried, but I will lift when dormant and adjust the depth.

I have it planted in part shade and thought it may need moved to more sun.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Carlo on March 17, 2012, 05:21:54 PM
Paul is correct about the depth of the crown. It needs to be JUST under the surface. You're correct about the sun too. Paeonia love to bask in it.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Shadylanejewel on March 17, 2012, 05:32:41 PM
Paul is correct about the depth of the crown. It needs to be JUST under the surface. You're correct about the sun too. Paeonia love to bask in it.

Thank you Carlo - I will lift and relocate at the appropriate time. 
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: hanninkj on March 21, 2012, 08:50:42 PM
Just as every year my P. mairei starts with buds now. It is always the first P. with flowers.
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7379/pmairei1624.jpg)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: johnw on March 22, 2012, 12:47:41 AM
Ton  -  Lovely foliage on the mariei.  I hope you will post it in flower.

We had several pots of mariei seed sprout a few weeks ago. I just noticed most are bronze-leafed but some are entirely green. Should we expected paler coloured flowers from the green-leafed one?

johnw
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: hanninkj on March 22, 2012, 06:59:48 PM
In 2011 I had at least 20 flowers. It is a rich flowering species.
Here a picture of last year.
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7633/paeoniamairei4975resize.jpg)

Ton
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Shadylanejewel on March 22, 2012, 07:13:24 PM
It is a rich flowering species.

:o :o :o  I have to get one of those!  Gorgeous foliage and stunning blossoms too!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: hanninkj on March 22, 2012, 07:30:38 PM
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Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Shadylanejewel on March 23, 2012, 04:09:25 AM
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Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Paul T on March 23, 2012, 04:11:36 AM
That is a beautiful Paeonia, both from the leaves and flowers point of view.  Nice, as I had no mental image of the species, other than having read it's name once or twice.  It looks to be a beauty!! 8)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hoy on March 23, 2012, 01:42:24 PM
That is a beautiful Paeonia, both from the leaves and flowers point of view.  Nice, as I had no mental image of the species, other than having read it's name once or twice.  It looks to be a beauty!! 8)
Paul, it is a beauty!

Flowers from last year (May 2011)

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now it's more like this:

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Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Paul T on March 23, 2012, 09:06:09 PM
Trond,

Definitely very beautiful.  I really like the shoot mergence too..... adds yet another dimension with the colour. 8)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Thomas Seiler on April 08, 2012, 11:07:01 PM
Always my first peony: Paeonia corsica (Syn.: Paeonia russoi var reverchonii, Paeonia morisii)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Thomas Seiler on April 14, 2012, 11:45:52 PM
Meanwhile Paeonia mascula subsp. mascula is in flower:

Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 15, 2012, 09:52:52 PM
Paeonia emodi
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Jonny_SE on April 15, 2012, 10:14:17 PM
One of my favorits arnold...is that flowering now??????????
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 16, 2012, 01:12:52 AM
Johnny:

Flowering today here in New Jersey.  I'm about 10 miles from Times Square.  We've had some unusually warm weather all winter.

The plant has grown to three feet tall and full of blooms.

Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Paul T on April 16, 2012, 01:15:03 AM
Arnold,

I used to grow it, but it never thrived for me unfortunately.  I loved it's leaves, which were a bit different to the "usual" ones.  Beautiful photos of a beautiful flower.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Jonny_SE on April 16, 2012, 12:10:39 PM
I can messure my plants in millimeters not inches today...but thats normal for this time of year..Earlist here are Paeonia obovata alba and P.sterniana...they are about 10 inches high..2-3 weeks to  flower...and emodi atleast a a few weeks more....P.emodi are huge ..atleast 6' x 6'   compare to the weitchii in the pic.......
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: fleurbleue on April 16, 2012, 12:55:43 PM
Glad to see them together Jonny  ;) a clear idea to make a distinction between them  :D
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Paul T on April 16, 2012, 11:32:16 PM
Wow, love the leaves on the pink at the front.  That is P. weitchii?  Not sure I've come across that species before. :-\  It's lovely.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on April 17, 2012, 11:11:44 AM
Wow, love the leaves on the pink at the front.  That is P. weitchii?  Not sure I've come across that species before. :-\  It's lovely.

P. weitchii  =

Paeonia veitchii   :)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Paul T on April 17, 2012, 12:39:22 PM
Thanks Maggi.  I hadn't clicked that was the one.  On reading your comment I had one of those "Ah ha!" moments.  I think I've seen the species once in person, but don't recall leaves like that so maybe I just focused on the flower.  The combination is beautiful.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Mike Ireland on April 17, 2012, 09:30:07 PM
My first Paeonia has just come into flower, P. tenuifolia.
Hope the heavy rain forecast for this week does not flatten the poor thing.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Jonny_SE on April 18, 2012, 03:24:58 PM
Wow, love the leaves on the pink at the front.  That is P. weitchii?  Not sure I've come across that species before. :-\  It's lovely.

P. weitchii  =

Paeonia veitchii   :)
Thanks...my fingers are faster than my minde sometimes... ;)
and Paul... P.veitchii are extremly easy from seeds...i got plenty of seeds if you want in the late summer....//Jonny
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: chasw on April 23, 2012, 06:23:51 PM
The first to flower in the garden this year
Paeonia Officinalis Anemoniflora Rosea
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: fleurbleue on April 23, 2012, 06:42:23 PM
I didn't know it ! A nice form Chas  :D
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Lori S. on April 24, 2012, 04:08:58 AM
Beautiful... I have one too (though it's just emerging) and I've always wondered if Paeonia officinalis 'Anemoniflora' is a valid cultivar name, so I guess it is!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: chasw on April 24, 2012, 10:08:29 AM
Well it is what I purchased it as many years ago from Ashwoods but googling it on the net seems to bring up something different ..............................any ideas?

Well just found this so maybe it is right

http://www.flickr.com/photos/versicolor/3577778088/
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hans J on April 24, 2012, 10:19:17 AM
Sorry Chas ,

here is a pic from the real P.off.anemoniflora :

http://www.paeon.de/h2005/botanical_magazine/3175.html

Hans
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: chasw on April 24, 2012, 10:22:51 AM
O.K.so any ideas?

Kalle dk?
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hans J on April 24, 2012, 10:28:41 AM
Chas ,

your plant looks for me a normal P.officinalis ...they have big variations ( depending from which area they came )

I suppose your plant is grown from seeds ...and thats not possibly with such a cultivar

You could look for this plant in the nursery of Riviere/France ...

Hans
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: chasw on April 24, 2012, 10:31:01 AM
O.K thanks Hans will have to search more thoroughly.................................more research needed I think
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Lori S. on April 24, 2012, 01:16:49 PM
Sorry Chas ,

here is a pic from the real P.off.anemoniflora :

http://www.paeon.de/h2005/botanical_magazine/3175.html

Hans
Ah, then I guess mine is a normal P. officinalis too... just as well, I like it better anyway!  :)  Thanks for posting this.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Darren on May 02, 2012, 12:06:09 PM
A couple from me.

First flowering of P. clusii from seed sent by a forumist several years ago. I'm delighted by this!!  Pic is a few weeks old - it actually flowered in late March.

Next is an unidentified tree peony we bought in a local garden centre last year because of its strong rose scent. Now it is properly established we really like the flowers too.

Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on May 12, 2012, 06:41:32 PM
I'm quite proud of this one, grown from seed sown 16 June 2008. The seed was from SRGC Seed Ex. 2006/7- 2678 (could it have been from HansJ-hope you read this Hans). Flowering for the first time and just have been released into the garden from a 3ltr. rose pot. I think there were five seeds and all germinated and gave me some seedlings to sell on the member's Plant Stall at last years South West AGS Show.

The seeds were labelled Paeonia delavayi forma lutea although this one looks, well, to my inexperenced eye, to have a fair amount of P delavayi angustiloba blood in it. What do otheres think? I got seed of angustiloba from the same Seed Ex. (2676) and again they gave me seedlings to sell as well as a couple I have kept and one of those has been released into the garden. No flowers on this one yet though.



Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: ronm on May 12, 2012, 06:53:16 PM
I only grow a few species Paeonia, and cannot really comment on the nomenclature. But I know that I really like the look of this one David. 8)
Surely well worth the effort, :)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 12, 2012, 07:05:11 PM
Very nice David,mine didn't flower very well this year,they aborted the buds with the warm dry  spell in March.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: ronm on May 12, 2012, 07:08:00 PM
Seems like the ants like yours as much as they do mine ???
Why is this with Paeonia? ??? ???
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on May 12, 2012, 07:18:47 PM
Thanks Michael and Ron.

My garden's absolutely crawling with ants as it is most years and I spent half an hour spraying them today. A new bit of rockery I made recently is full of them. Ian Young has no trouble at all from ants.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 12, 2012, 07:25:44 PM
I have had a plague of ants (very small black ones) in the living-room for the past two weeks,just got rid of them yesterday.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: ronm on May 12, 2012, 07:27:53 PM
Why are you killing them David?( interest not criticism) Are they doing harm?
Seems Paeonia are very attractive to them. I don't know why? I'm thinking sugar but may be well off beam!! :-\
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: arilnut on May 13, 2012, 12:32:36 AM
An old wives tale around these parts is that the ants eat the sticky nectar
on the the buds and this enables the buds to open.

John B


Why are you killing them David?( interest not criticism) Are they doing harm?
Seems Paeonia are very attractive to them. I don't know why? I'm thinking sugar but may be well off beam!! :-\
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Lori S. on May 13, 2012, 12:47:50 AM
An old wives tale around these parts is that the ants eat the sticky nectar
on the the buds and this enables the buds to open.

John B
The first part's true, but that there is any sort of symbiotic relationship between ants and peonies is the old wive's tale.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Jonny_SE on May 13, 2012, 08:57:34 PM
Paeonia sterniana......i really like this dark colour on the foliage...almost thru the whole growing season......
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hans J on May 13, 2012, 09:37:52 PM
Hi Jonny ,

sorry to say ...but your peony is shure not P.sterniana - I know there some sellers who are selling such plants ( as you show ) under P.sterniana ( to make a lot of money )...thats in my eyes P.obovata
 
Here are some pics from the true P.sterniana :
http://www.paeon.de/h2006/burkhardt/populations/seiten/27_str.html (http://www.paeon.de/h2006/burkhardt/populations/seiten/27_str.html)

P.sterniana is close relatet with P.emodii ...please look for the leaves of your plant -they are very different

Shure you will be dissapointet  ....but P.sterniana is a very rare plant and not easy aviable

Best wishes
Hans
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Jonny_SE on May 13, 2012, 09:56:43 PM
I had that i minde too Hans...since P.sterniana shall be a sub. to P.emodi.....but it does not look like the P.obovata or P.obovata var. willmottiae that i got here...
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Thomas Seiler on May 15, 2012, 12:40:19 AM
Paeonia obovata in my garden:
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Olga Bondareva on May 17, 2012, 11:20:46 AM
P. wittmanniana (white al the left) and natural hybrid P. wittmanniana x P. caucasica (at the right).
(http://cs5687.userapi.com/v5687879/8f8/K5OxZMx6njk.jpg)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: olegKon on May 25, 2012, 09:16:20 AM
Looking at Olga's pictures I started doubting if my favourite peony is really wittmanniana as I got it
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Maren on May 27, 2012, 09:17:01 AM
Hi, may I ask for some advice please. I recently bought a P. tenuifolia flore pleno. It still is in its pot as I'm not sure where to plant it. Does it like sun? that would be ideal. Otherwise I may have to leave it in its pot. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hans J on May 27, 2012, 10:01:32 AM
Hi Maren ,

peonies in pots are really bad ! ( they like it really not )
You can plant it on a sunny place - please make a good drainage !
The roots of peony looks more like Dahlia - they are different from other peonies species
The best time for planting peonies is fall ( after September ) - they like not to be plant in spring !!!

I hope this helps
Hans
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Olga Bondareva on May 27, 2012, 12:10:42 PM
Looking at Olga's pictures I started doubting if my favourite peony is really wittmanniana as I got it
Oleg it's not wittmanniana of course.  :-\

Maren it needs full sun.

The best time for planting peonies is fall ( after September ) - they like not to be plant in spring !!!
Hans it does not matter when to plant peony from pot. Fall is the best time for digging and dividing plants.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Maren on May 28, 2012, 09:29:29 AM
Hello Hans and Olga,

thank you for your advice. I have just the right spot for it and will plant it when the weather permits. :) :) :)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: monocotman on May 28, 2012, 05:43:35 PM
Maren,
I have the single form of tenuifolium in a sunny dry spot near the base of a south facing wall along with eremurus and euphorbias.
It's pretty happy there and increasing well even after the dry weather of the last 18 months.
I wonder whether the finely cut leaves are an adaptaion to drought along the lines of fennel?
Regards,
David
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on May 29, 2012, 03:39:09 PM
We have an annual discussion about this every year when I post a picture of it. When I bought it as a little seedling it was labelled Paeonia anomala. Some Forumists considered it to be P. veitchii, whilst others thought P. anomola ssp veitchii. About a month later than last year.

Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hoy on May 29, 2012, 09:35:18 PM
Well David, I can't help you with your peony - I have trouble with my own!
First P delavayi and delavayi lutea. The lutea specimen is more than 3 meter tall.

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P. rockii hybrid from seed:

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Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hoy on May 29, 2012, 09:41:10 PM
Here's what I believe is P obovata

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... and lactiflora   and  mlokosewitschii

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Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: chasw on June 11, 2012, 02:59:30 PM
And here are a few more from the garden,the tree peaonies are now over but were gorgeous,and have rescued the other white double from the adverse weather,does anyone have any idea of its name,it was given to us a present when we moved from our previous house by a kind neighbour
 
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hans J on June 11, 2012, 06:42:51 PM
Hi Chas ,

no idea about the both tree peonies names ...
but I can help you with the name of the perrenial :
This is Paeonia "Festiva Maxima" ...I grow this plant too  :D

Best wishes
Hans
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: chasw on June 11, 2012, 07:07:28 PM
Thanks Hans ,that is very helpfull
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Graham Catlow on June 30, 2012, 07:32:45 PM
Paeonia 'Soshi'

Just the one bloom this year. Purchased last year from Gardening Scotland.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Thomas Seiler on July 01, 2012, 09:14:02 AM
Looking at Olga's pictures I started doubting if my favourite peony is really wittmanniana as I got it

Oleg, your peony looks like Paeonia anomala.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Thomas Seiler on July 01, 2012, 09:19:32 AM
We have an annual discussion about this every year when I post a picture of it. When I bought it as a little seedling it was labelled Paeonia anomala. Some Forumists considered it to be P. veitchii, whilst others thought P. anomola ssp veitchii. About a month later than last year.

David, with P. anomala you are always right  :)
If the flowers are solitary and rarely 2, it is P. anomala subsp. anomala.
If it has 2 - 4 flowers per stem, rarely solitary, it is P. anomala subsp. veitchii
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Thomas Seiler on July 01, 2012, 09:23:13 AM
First P delavayi and delavayi lutea. The lutea specimen is more than 3 meter tall.

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The yellow one might well be Paeonia ludlowii if it usually has just one carpel per flower, rarely two.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hoy on July 02, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
The yellow one might well be Paeonia ludlowii if it usually has just one carpel per flower, rarely two.

Thomas,
As far as I remember now the flowers have anything from 1 to 3 carpels, at least when the seeds ripen. But most have just one, so maybe you are right. Is it other differences between the two?

Here is a seedling. T thought it was a cross between the yellow one and delavayi but it has 4 carpels.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Thomas Seiler on July 02, 2012, 08:55:49 PM
Trond, P. ludlowii is growing much taller than P. delavayi, up to 3,5 m. It is the tallest of all peonies. P. delavayi may reach 1,8 m and has 2 - 4 carpels, P. ludlowii mostly just one, rarely two, and its capels are bigger than those of P. delavayi.
Your seedling looks like P. delavayi.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hoy on July 02, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
OK, thanks Thomas. I somehow believed that lutea were the tallest of the two.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Thomas Seiler on July 02, 2012, 09:06:46 PM
Did you collect the seed from the tall P. ludlowii? Then it would be a cross of course, but I can't remember having heard of a cross between P. ludlowii and P. delavayi.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Thomas Seiler on July 02, 2012, 09:23:13 PM
Paeonia delavayi var. delavayi f. lutea, a very late flowering form, always in the second half of June and usually the last one of all peonies.
Here in a combination with Aegopodium podagraria, which shows my way of natural gardening very well.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Hoy on July 02, 2012, 09:55:55 PM
Did you collect the seed from the tall P. ludlowii? Then it would be a cross of course, but I can't remember having heard of a cross between P. ludlowii and P. delavayi.

It is some years ago but I probably dug the seedling from under the yellow one (ludlowii?). The seedlings appear like weeds there.


Could these two be P  delavayi var delavayi f lutea? They are very late flowering and the latest I have of woody peonies.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: Thomas Seiler on July 02, 2012, 11:35:17 PM
Yes, I think so. They can't be anything else ...   :)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2012
Post by: johnw on July 16, 2012, 11:19:14 PM
Paeonia lutea v. ludlowii - seed ex Don Armstrong in 1994!  Last year Ken started to hack away at this non-flowerer and was about to remove it completely when he had a change of heart  Pardon granted it flowered on the 2nd of June and promptly sent up some 2 meter shoots from the base.  At Don's it was planted against a Magnolia grandiflora and was up 12-15ft into the canopy.  I thought he was out of his mind when he pointed and asked what I thought of the peony...

johnw
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