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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Shadylanejewel on March 16, 2012, 05:09:21 AM
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Bought this Paeonia russoi v corsica six years ago, it comes up with this gorgeous dark foliage in the spring and then never gets very big and no flowers.
Any suggestions.
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Julie,
How deeply is it buried? Is the crown at the surface? If the crown is too deep there usually aren't flowers. It needs the cold to mature the flowerbuds, without it they abort after growth commences. I have some theories on bud formation in herbaceous paeonies, but I'm not expert so I'll keep them to myself. ;D If the crown is buried, I would next dormancy lift the plant to the surface, either by lifting it completely, or preferably by putting a shovel under one side of the plant and lifting it carefully and packing more soil under it. This way, the majority of the roots stay fine and the plant won't be set back. It will just be higher in the soil, rather than having been fully disturbed.
I'll be interested to hear whether others agree with all this or not.
Good luck with getting it to flower. Fermi (Fermides on the forum) here in Australia I think has this species and it flowers beautifully. I am very jealous. I have seedlings coming along I think, but nothing near flowering.
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Hi Paul - Thank you for the suggestions. I don't recall how deeply it is buried, but I will lift when dormant and adjust the depth.
I have it planted in part shade and thought it may need moved to more sun.
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Paul is correct about the depth of the crown. It needs to be JUST under the surface. You're correct about the sun too. Paeonia love to bask in it.
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Paul is correct about the depth of the crown. It needs to be JUST under the surface. You're correct about the sun too. Paeonia love to bask in it.
Thank you Carlo - I will lift and relocate at the appropriate time.
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Just as every year my P. mairei starts with buds now. It is always the first P. with flowers.
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7379/pmairei1624.jpg)
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Ton - Lovely foliage on the mariei. I hope you will post it in flower.
We had several pots of mariei seed sprout a few weeks ago. I just noticed most are bronze-leafed but some are entirely green. Should we expected paler coloured flowers from the green-leafed one?
johnw
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In 2011 I had at least 20 flowers. It is a rich flowering species.
Here a picture of last year.
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7633/paeoniamairei4975resize.jpg)
Ton
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It is a rich flowering species.
:o :o :o I have to get one of those! Gorgeous foliage and stunning blossoms too!
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That is a beautiful Paeonia, both from the leaves and flowers point of view. Nice, as I had no mental image of the species, other than having read it's name once or twice. It looks to be a beauty!! 8)
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That is a beautiful Paeonia, both from the leaves and flowers point of view. Nice, as I had no mental image of the species, other than having read it's name once or twice. It looks to be a beauty!! 8)
Paul, it is a beauty!
Flowers from last year (May 2011)
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now it's more like this:
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Trond,
Definitely very beautiful. I really like the shoot mergence too..... adds yet another dimension with the colour. 8)
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Always my first peony: Paeonia corsica (Syn.: Paeonia russoi var reverchonii, Paeonia morisii)
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Meanwhile Paeonia mascula subsp. mascula is in flower:
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Paeonia emodi
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One of my favorits arnold...is that flowering now??????????
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Johnny:
Flowering today here in New Jersey. I'm about 10 miles from Times Square. We've had some unusually warm weather all winter.
The plant has grown to three feet tall and full of blooms.
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Arnold,
I used to grow it, but it never thrived for me unfortunately. I loved it's leaves, which were a bit different to the "usual" ones. Beautiful photos of a beautiful flower. Congratulations!
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I can messure my plants in millimeters not inches today...but thats normal for this time of year..Earlist here are Paeonia obovata alba and P.sterniana...they are about 10 inches high..2-3 weeks to flower...and emodi atleast a a few weeks more....P.emodi are huge ..atleast 6' x 6' compare to the weitchii in the pic.......
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Glad to see them together Jonny ;) a clear idea to make a distinction between them :D
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Wow, love the leaves on the pink at the front. That is P. weitchii? Not sure I've come across that species before. :-\ It's lovely.
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Wow, love the leaves on the pink at the front. That is P. weitchii? Not sure I've come across that species before. :-\ It's lovely.
P. weitchii =
Paeonia veitchii :)
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Thanks Maggi. I hadn't clicked that was the one. On reading your comment I had one of those "Ah ha!" moments. I think I've seen the species once in person, but don't recall leaves like that so maybe I just focused on the flower. The combination is beautiful.
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My first Paeonia has just come into flower, P. tenuifolia.
Hope the heavy rain forecast for this week does not flatten the poor thing.
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Wow, love the leaves on the pink at the front. That is P. weitchii? Not sure I've come across that species before. :-\ It's lovely.
P. weitchii =
Paeonia veitchii :)
Thanks...my fingers are faster than my minde sometimes... ;)
and Paul... P.veitchii are extremly easy from seeds...i got plenty of seeds if you want in the late summer....//Jonny
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The first to flower in the garden this year
Paeonia Officinalis Anemoniflora Rosea
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I didn't know it ! A nice form Chas :D
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Beautiful... I have one too (though it's just emerging) and I've always wondered if Paeonia officinalis 'Anemoniflora' is a valid cultivar name, so I guess it is!
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Well it is what I purchased it as many years ago from Ashwoods but googling it on the net seems to bring up something different ..............................any ideas?
Well just found this so maybe it is right
http://www.flickr.com/photos/versicolor/3577778088/
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Sorry Chas ,
here is a pic from the real P.off.anemoniflora :
http://www.paeon.de/h2005/botanical_magazine/3175.html
Hans
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O.K.so any ideas?
Kalle dk?
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Chas ,
your plant looks for me a normal P.officinalis ...they have big variations ( depending from which area they came )
I suppose your plant is grown from seeds ...and thats not possibly with such a cultivar
You could look for this plant in the nursery of Riviere/France ...
Hans
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O.K thanks Hans will have to search more thoroughly.................................more research needed I think
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Sorry Chas ,
here is a pic from the real P.off.anemoniflora :
http://www.paeon.de/h2005/botanical_magazine/3175.html
Hans
Ah, then I guess mine is a normal P. officinalis too... just as well, I like it better anyway! :) Thanks for posting this.
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A couple from me.
First flowering of P. clusii from seed sent by a forumist several years ago. I'm delighted by this!! Pic is a few weeks old - it actually flowered in late March.
Next is an unidentified tree peony we bought in a local garden centre last year because of its strong rose scent. Now it is properly established we really like the flowers too.
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I'm quite proud of this one, grown from seed sown 16 June 2008. The seed was from SRGC Seed Ex. 2006/7- 2678 (could it have been from HansJ-hope you read this Hans). Flowering for the first time and just have been released into the garden from a 3ltr. rose pot. I think there were five seeds and all germinated and gave me some seedlings to sell on the member's Plant Stall at last years South West AGS Show.
The seeds were labelled Paeonia delavayi forma lutea although this one looks, well, to my inexperenced eye, to have a fair amount of P delavayi angustiloba blood in it. What do otheres think? I got seed of angustiloba from the same Seed Ex. (2676) and again they gave me seedlings to sell as well as a couple I have kept and one of those has been released into the garden. No flowers on this one yet though.
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I only grow a few species Paeonia, and cannot really comment on the nomenclature. But I know that I really like the look of this one David. 8)
Surely well worth the effort, :)
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Very nice David,mine didn't flower very well this year,they aborted the buds with the warm dry spell in March.
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Seems like the ants like yours as much as they do mine ???
Why is this with Paeonia? ??? ???
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Thanks Michael and Ron.
My garden's absolutely crawling with ants as it is most years and I spent half an hour spraying them today. A new bit of rockery I made recently is full of them. Ian Young has no trouble at all from ants.
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I have had a plague of ants (very small black ones) in the living-room for the past two weeks,just got rid of them yesterday.
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Why are you killing them David?( interest not criticism) Are they doing harm?
Seems Paeonia are very attractive to them. I don't know why? I'm thinking sugar but may be well off beam!! :-\
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An old wives tale around these parts is that the ants eat the sticky nectar
on the the buds and this enables the buds to open.
John B
Why are you killing them David?( interest not criticism) Are they doing harm?
Seems Paeonia are very attractive to them. I don't know why? I'm thinking sugar but may be well off beam!! :-\
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An old wives tale around these parts is that the ants eat the sticky nectar
on the the buds and this enables the buds to open.
John B
The first part's true, but that there is any sort of symbiotic relationship between ants and peonies is the old wive's tale.
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Paeonia sterniana......i really like this dark colour on the foliage...almost thru the whole growing season......
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Hi Jonny ,
sorry to say ...but your peony is shure not P.sterniana - I know there some sellers who are selling such plants ( as you show ) under P.sterniana ( to make a lot of money )...thats in my eyes P.obovata
Here are some pics from the true P.sterniana :
http://www.paeon.de/h2006/burkhardt/populations/seiten/27_str.html (http://www.paeon.de/h2006/burkhardt/populations/seiten/27_str.html)
P.sterniana is close relatet with P.emodii ...please look for the leaves of your plant -they are very different
Shure you will be dissapointet ....but P.sterniana is a very rare plant and not easy aviable
Best wishes
Hans
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I had that i minde too Hans...since P.sterniana shall be a sub. to P.emodi.....but it does not look like the P.obovata or P.obovata var. willmottiae that i got here...
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Paeonia obovata in my garden:
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P. wittmanniana (white al the left) and natural hybrid P. wittmanniana x P. caucasica (at the right).
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Looking at Olga's pictures I started doubting if my favourite peony is really wittmanniana as I got it
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Hi, may I ask for some advice please. I recently bought a P. tenuifolia flore pleno. It still is in its pot as I'm not sure where to plant it. Does it like sun? that would be ideal. Otherwise I may have to leave it in its pot. ??? ??? ???
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Hi Maren ,
peonies in pots are really bad ! ( they like it really not )
You can plant it on a sunny place - please make a good drainage !
The roots of peony looks more like Dahlia - they are different from other peonies species
The best time for planting peonies is fall ( after September ) - they like not to be plant in spring !!!
I hope this helps
Hans
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Looking at Olga's pictures I started doubting if my favourite peony is really wittmanniana as I got it
Oleg it's not wittmanniana of course. :-\
Maren it needs full sun.
The best time for planting peonies is fall ( after September ) - they like not to be plant in spring !!!
Hans it does not matter when to plant peony from pot. Fall is the best time for digging and dividing plants.
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Hello Hans and Olga,
thank you for your advice. I have just the right spot for it and will plant it when the weather permits. :) :) :)
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Maren,
I have the single form of tenuifolium in a sunny dry spot near the base of a south facing wall along with eremurus and euphorbias.
It's pretty happy there and increasing well even after the dry weather of the last 18 months.
I wonder whether the finely cut leaves are an adaptaion to drought along the lines of fennel?
Regards,
David
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We have an annual discussion about this every year when I post a picture of it. When I bought it as a little seedling it was labelled Paeonia anomala. Some Forumists considered it to be P. veitchii, whilst others thought P. anomola ssp veitchii. About a month later than last year.
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Well David, I can't help you with your peony - I have trouble with my own!
First P delavayi and delavayi lutea. The lutea specimen is more than 3 meter tall.
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P. rockii hybrid from seed:
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Here's what I believe is P obovata
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... and lactiflora and mlokosewitschii
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And here are a few more from the garden,the tree peaonies are now over but were gorgeous,and have rescued the other white double from the adverse weather,does anyone have any idea of its name,it was given to us a present when we moved from our previous house by a kind neighbour
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Hi Chas ,
no idea about the both tree peonies names ...
but I can help you with the name of the perrenial :
This is Paeonia "Festiva Maxima" ...I grow this plant too :D
Best wishes
Hans
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Thanks Hans ,that is very helpfull
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Paeonia 'Soshi'
Just the one bloom this year. Purchased last year from Gardening Scotland.
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Looking at Olga's pictures I started doubting if my favourite peony is really wittmanniana as I got it
Oleg, your peony looks like Paeonia anomala.
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We have an annual discussion about this every year when I post a picture of it. When I bought it as a little seedling it was labelled Paeonia anomala. Some Forumists considered it to be P. veitchii, whilst others thought P. anomola ssp veitchii. About a month later than last year.
David, with P. anomala you are always right :)
If the flowers are solitary and rarely 2, it is P. anomala subsp. anomala.
If it has 2 - 4 flowers per stem, rarely solitary, it is P. anomala subsp. veitchii
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First P delavayi and delavayi lutea. The lutea specimen is more than 3 meter tall.
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The yellow one might well be Paeonia ludlowii if it usually has just one carpel per flower, rarely two.
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The yellow one might well be Paeonia ludlowii if it usually has just one carpel per flower, rarely two.
Thomas,
As far as I remember now the flowers have anything from 1 to 3 carpels, at least when the seeds ripen. But most have just one, so maybe you are right. Is it other differences between the two?
Here is a seedling. T thought it was a cross between the yellow one and delavayi but it has 4 carpels.
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Trond, P. ludlowii is growing much taller than P. delavayi, up to 3,5 m. It is the tallest of all peonies. P. delavayi may reach 1,8 m and has 2 - 4 carpels, P. ludlowii mostly just one, rarely two, and its capels are bigger than those of P. delavayi.
Your seedling looks like P. delavayi.
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OK, thanks Thomas. I somehow believed that lutea were the tallest of the two.
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Did you collect the seed from the tall P. ludlowii? Then it would be a cross of course, but I can't remember having heard of a cross between P. ludlowii and P. delavayi.
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Paeonia delavayi var. delavayi f. lutea, a very late flowering form, always in the second half of June and usually the last one of all peonies.
Here in a combination with Aegopodium podagraria, which shows my way of natural gardening very well.
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Did you collect the seed from the tall P. ludlowii? Then it would be a cross of course, but I can't remember having heard of a cross between P. ludlowii and P. delavayi.
It is some years ago but I probably dug the seedling from under the yellow one (ludlowii?). The seedlings appear like weeds there.
Could these two be P delavayi var delavayi f lutea? They are very late flowering and the latest I have of woody peonies.
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Yes, I think so. They can't be anything else ... :)
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Paeonia lutea v. ludlowii - seed ex Don Armstrong in 1994! Last year Ken started to hack away at this non-flowerer and was about to remove it completely when he had a change of heart Pardon granted it flowered on the 2nd of June and promptly sent up some 2 meter shoots from the base. At Don's it was planted against a Magnolia grandiflora and was up 12-15ft into the canopy. I thought he was out of his mind when he pointed and asked what I thought of the peony...
johnw