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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #300 on: October 24, 2010, 04:41:41 PM »
Another one for you Cohan ?
Neogomesia agavoides . Raised from seed and now 9 years old and  the first time that it flowers !
I keep the old latin name (Neogomesia)while some others wil say that this must be fit into the genus Ariocarpus...
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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #301 on: October 25, 2010, 04:16:29 AM »
Another one for you Cohan ?
Neogomesia agavoides . Raised from seed and now 9 years old and  the first time that it flowers !
I keep the old latin name (Neogomesia)while some others wil say that this must be fit into the genus Ariocarpus...


congratulations! this is one of my favourite Ariocarpus ;) any reason to keep it out of Ariocarpus? i have heard the old name, but i have no idea what the change (or not) is based on

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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #302 on: November 01, 2010, 07:42:38 PM »
congratulations! this is one of my favourite Ariocarpus ;) any reason to keep it out of Ariocarpus? i have heard the old name, but i have no idea what the change (or not) is based on
I have the annoying habit to keep the old names/labels with the plants Cohan.And in the years I started , it was known as Neogomesia...
Maybe you're right , it looks like the other Ariocarpus. There must some differences , but so far  I did not search for this.

Today here in flower : Herreanthus meyerii
I am not sure but maybe it is put into the genus Conophytum now...
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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #303 on: November 01, 2010, 07:55:54 PM »
Herreanthus meyerii is another one new to me.... what great foliage and those flowers are so elegant. A very pretty thing!
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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #304 on: November 02, 2010, 06:41:09 AM »
i agree with maggi--this is a very sharp looking plant overall!
as for names--no rush to change labels if they were valid to start with, you can always look up synonyms, and sometimes they will come back if you wait ;)

i don't mind changing in cases where the old names are part of the tendency to label each new specimen as a genus or species, and later it becomes clear it is part of something else..but as we discussed elsewhere, it can be hard to find this information..
(for example, i do not call Notocactus or Brasilicactus Parodia, but i think the case for Neochilenia and Neoporteria as distinct genera vs all in Eriosyce is hard to make when almost all species have been in both genera!)

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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #305 on: November 02, 2010, 08:16:49 AM »
Hi Kris,

You are correct, both taxa in Herreanthus are now subspecies of Conophytum herreanthus. This is one of the Cono's I don't grow.

I admit to being very tempted to try Ariocarpus!



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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #306 on: November 02, 2010, 11:33:03 AM »
A blurry photo of Haworthia retusa. It has been in flower here for a month and has still plenty of flowers yet to open.

Marvellous Herrreanthus there Kris!

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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #307 on: November 02, 2010, 06:59:20 PM »
as for names--no rush to change labels if they were valid to start with, you can always look up synonyms, and sometimes they will come back if you wait ;)

i don't mind changing in cases where the old names are part of the tendency to label each new specimen as a genus or species, and later it becomes clear it is part of something else..but as we discussed elsewhere, it can be hard to find this information..
(for example, i do not call Notocactus or Brasilicactus Parodia, but i think the case for Neochilenia and Neoporteria as distinct genera vs all in Eriosyce is hard to make when almost all species have been in both genera!)

That is exactly what I mean Cohan !
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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #308 on: November 02, 2010, 07:02:03 PM »
Thanks John,Darren,Cohan and Maggi for your kind comments.
Also love this types of Haworthia John.
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« Reply #309 on: November 02, 2010, 08:52:06 PM »
Also love this types of Haworthia John.

Kris  - Are there other species that look like this one?

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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #310 on: November 02, 2010, 08:52:42 PM »
Another Mesemb and also flowering now. Bijlia cana .
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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #311 on: November 02, 2010, 09:06:18 PM »
Kris  - Are there other species that look like this one?
johnw

Hello John , I read your message again and looking again at your picture I think the one you show is not Haworthia retusa.I think it is Haworthia truncata .
But answering your question , there are a lot of good forms of both Haworthia truncata and maughani.
http://www.gasteria.com/plants.html
Beside there are some other Haworthias with "windows" at the  top of the the leaves...I have a small collection. Look for names if you wan't .
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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #312 on: November 02, 2010, 09:59:38 PM »
Hello John , I read your message again and looking again at your picture I think the one you show is not Haworthia retusa.I think it is Haworthia truncata .

I agree with Kris, that your plant is Haworthia truncata.  Johnw we discussed this before   ;D ;)
Take a look at reply #40 on this page
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4828.msg131103#msg131103
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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #313 on: November 02, 2010, 11:09:55 PM »
I don't know how many Lithops that I have killed :-X wish I could grow them.
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Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
« Reply #314 on: November 03, 2010, 04:36:29 AM »
very nice truncata john! as kris mentioned, there is only one species, truncata, with subspecies maughanii, or those two as separate species(depending who you follow), that have this really flat leaf top, but there are many different forms of truncata that look very different..
retusa is more of a typical rosette with leaves that flatten at the apex, many more species of that type..

 


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