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Specific Families and Genera => Cacti and Succulents => Topic started by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 03:55:31 AM

Title: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 03:55:31 AM
i've been threatening a thread for cacti for a while, thought it might as well include any other juicy xerophytics not covered in the bulb threads---succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
to start, here are some cacti that live permanently on my windowsills, last year's photos, for now (dates are in photo titles) ..
these are all smallish plants, in 3-4inch (7.5-10cm) pots,not necessarily young, but not ancient; most of these could be much more floriferous under better conditions, but i'm happy they flower indoors!
most are from commercial sources, purchased unnamed, so names should be considered approximate
pics 1,2 Astrophytum capricorne senilis
among the smaller in the genus, this should eventually form a small column
pics 3,4 Coryphantha durangensis
eventually a clump of cylinders, but no sign of offsetting, or growing, really, after several years
pic 5 Gymnocalycium baldianum
one of my few reds
pic 6,7 Gymnocalycium stellatum
this one stays tiny, the body is only about 1.5 inches/3.75cm across
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 04:10:22 AM
this set shows one plant, one flower which you can see changing over the days its open, notice the view out the window, and you can see why its especially nice to have these flowers in early spring!
Gymnocalycium bruchii albispinum
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Rogan on January 14, 2010, 06:59:24 AM
Yeah, I love succulents too, including cacti, aloes, etc. :) Here's one of my favorite giving heaps of colour and good cheer at the moment: Frithia pulchra, a little fingery clump of succulent leaves from the Magaliesberg mountains in the North West province of South Africa. It is known colloquially as 'Fairy Elephants Feet' or 'vingerpol' in Afrikaans.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 07:21:03 AM
Yeah, I love succulents too, including cacti, aloes, etc. :) Here's one of my favorite giving heaps of colour and good cheer at the moment: Frithia pulchra, a little fingery clump of succulent leaves from the Magaliesberg mountains in the North West province of South Africa. It is known colloquially as 'Fairy Elephants Feet' or 'vingerpol' in Afrikaans.

a beautiful one! does it keep its leaves mostly below ground for you? in the north in cultivation it seems to grow mostly above ground, though i think its mainly buried in habitat?
typically called baby's toes, along with Fenestraria; i like 'Fairy Elephants Feet'  much better!
mesembs are very underrepresented in my collection; i'd like to get more, especially conos..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Rogan on January 14, 2010, 08:02:32 AM
My Frithias remain well above ground level the year round - I not too sure how to get them to 'retract' as they do in nature  ???

I'm not particularly successful with Conophytum, and I'm not too sure whether it's my cultivation technique or my unique growing conditions, but I do have some success and also have my favorites, e.g. C. khamiesbergensis (...which does surprisingly well for me!), C. herreanthus and C. ectypum in all its forms. One I can't grow at all, and would dearly like to is C. burgeri, here's a tray full (if rather overwatered!) I saw growing in a nursery in the Western Cape - maybe in my next life...  :P
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 08:08:02 AM
My Frithias remain well above ground level the year round - I not too sure how to get them to 'retract' as they do in nature  ???

I'm not particularly successful with Conophytum, and I'm not too sure whether it's my cultivation technique or my unique growing conditions, but I do have some success and also have my favorites, e.g. C. khamiesbergensis (...which does surprisingly well for me!), C. herreanthus and C. ectypum in all its forms. One I can't grow at all, and would dearly like to is C. burgeri, here's a tray full (if rather overwatered!) I saw growing in a nursery in the Western Cape - maybe in my next life...  :P

none of us has the conditions to grow everything!
there are no nurseries in canada selling conos that i have ever found! so it will be seed for me!
i like the burgeri, and so many others-so many genuinely odd plants, and different kinds of odd, and many very small, which is a big plus for me..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Ragged Robin on January 14, 2010, 09:53:53 AM
At last Cohan, you have revealed your secret horde - and what a sight, I've never see cacti flowering so well and the red flower is gorgeous but the light pink is very pretty too; almost like a waterlily as it opens. It's interesting to hear how they will develop and grow...the first plant I was ever given by my Mother was an Aloe and they have been firm favourites all my life since.  Can't wait to see some more of your gems.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: pel1 on January 14, 2010, 10:50:58 AM
Helllo all,
Good to see a thread on succulents! It was growing caudiciforms that started my interest in pelargoniums and cape bulbs, and I still grow some cacti and other succulents to this day.

 As an experiment I once tried growing fenestraria with its leaves buried, in a clay pot and on a high shelf with maximum light-I can report it rotted off very quickly!
regards, James

ps - surely someone on this thread will want my gasteria seeds? (see seed threads)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hristo on January 14, 2010, 11:50:43 AM
Great colour on the G baldianum and the F pulchra guys!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: johnw on January 14, 2010, 12:05:10 PM
Rogan  - What a splendid clump of Frithia pulchra. My tiny clump was a wobbly little thing that never flowered but still a favourite.

johnw
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: maggiepie on January 14, 2010, 01:30:53 PM
Cohan, terrific pics and plants.
I have only recently started to collect a few cacti and succulents, unfortunately none of these plants are named. Where is the best place to start trying to identify these plants?

Rogan, your Frithia pulchra, are fantastic, I have never seen these before.

Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: pel1 on January 14, 2010, 01:48:35 PM
Maggiepie-
Do you have any photos of your plants-someone on the forum should know what they are.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: maggiepie on January 14, 2010, 01:52:11 PM
James, I can easily take pics but don't really know the best place to post the pics ???
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on January 14, 2010, 02:49:11 PM
James, I can easily take pics but don't really know the best place to post the pics ???

Helen... post your pix here... then the Fat Plant Fans will be able to find them easily and it will keep them together with the other Fat Plants. 
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: maggiepie on January 14, 2010, 02:53:24 PM
Thanks Maggi, I was hoping you would show up  ;D ;D ;D
While wating I was taking pics, I just finished resizing them  ;)

Hoping someone can ID these.



Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Carlo on January 14, 2010, 04:25:56 PM
I'm in the C&S club too...have grown many, photographed, written, and lectured about them...and love them all--the weirder the better. We'll see how they do in the new space.

Most have been grown under lights and in windowsills where I've had a modicum of success. I'm probably most fond of my caudiciforms--fatties with interest all year round (and things many growers, even of cacti, haven't seen before...).
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: pel1 on January 14, 2010, 06:08:53 PM
maggiepie,

I may be without a computer for a few days, meanwhile here I my initial thoughts on your plants (numbered with no.1 your first, or top image)

1-Graptopetalum paraguayense
2-Cereus species-possibly peruvianus
3-sedum species?-probably notone of the hardy kinds!
4-Kalanchoe species
5-Echinocactus Grusonii
6-The white plant on the left is Atrophytum Myriostigma, then L-R, Mammilaria species, Cereus species? and Haworthia species
7-possibly pilosocereus species?
8-Haworthia species
9-clockwise from top left, Haworthia Attenuata, Notocactus Magnificus, Echinofossulocactus species (with a false straw flower that should be removed before it rots!),  Haworthia Attenuata.
10-same as 9!

sorry to be a bit vague about some species, but somewhere out there will know more!

Hope this helps for now, Google these name for confirmation.
regards, James
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: maggiepie on January 14, 2010, 06:22:21 PM
Thanks, James, I think that's a great start.
Hope you aren't having computer problems. :-\
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 14, 2010, 07:40:21 PM
Nice cacti and succulents !   The Frithia is fantastic! Never grow them that size...
Please go on like that .
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 14, 2010, 07:44:59 PM
Some lovely and different things there. I really like the thought of a fairy elephant and he has delightful feet. ;D
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 08:21:35 PM
At last Cohan, you have revealed your secret horde - and what a sight, I've never see cacti flowering so well and the red flower is gorgeous but the light pink is very pretty too; almost like a waterlily as it opens. It's interesting to hear how they will develop and grow...the first plant I was ever given by my Mother was an Aloe and they have been firm favourites all my life since.  Can't wait to see some more of your gems.

thanks robin--there are some nice little aloes that can grow in a 10-16cm pot and flower regularly indoors with good (not perfect) light; i'll try to dig up old pics, my real flowerer (as opposed to those grown just for leaves) is overdue for repotting (by several years!) and not fit to photograph..
as far as the cacti, hopefully some of our members who grow in greenhouses or outdoors will show some--many of these can be covered with bunches of flowers..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 08:51:45 PM
1-Graptopetalum paraguayense
2-Cereus species-possibly peruvianus
3-sedum species?-probably notone of the hardy kinds!
4-Kalanchoe species
5-Echinocactus Grusonii
6-The white plant on the left is Atrophytum Myriostigma, then L-R, Mammilaria species, Cereus species? and Haworthia species
7-possibly pilosocereus species?
8-Haworthia species
9-clockwise from top left, Haworthia Attenuata, Notocactus Magnificus, Echinofossulocactus species (with a false straw flower that should be removed before it rots!),  Haworthia Attenuata.
10-same as 9!
regards, James

i'd about agree with these
1-could also be a hybrid which are really common in these interbreedable genera-graptopetalum, echeveria, pachyphytum, sedum etc
2-this is a popular cereus cultivar i cant remember the name of--stays shortish and makes a big clump
3-yes, mexican sedum, nussbaumerianum, or there's another species similar..
4-i'd say senecio or the sister genus kleinia; try this site:
http://www.lapshin.org/succulent/senec-l.htm
haworthias can be tricky, since it has been asserted (not without debate) that nearly all haworthias in north america (if not from wild seed) are hybrids...lol..certainly the regular commercially available ones are suspect, and i dont bother trying to name mine; still its fun to look-there are other good websites, but this one is really easy to navigate:
http://haworthia.com/
mammillarias are also tricky, just because there are a bazillion species and forms; in some cases you may have to wait for flowers, though other species are distinct enough;
http://www.mammillarias.net/
yours have been underlit, as you probably know, but introduce them slowly to more light so the tips dont burn; the straw flowers will come off, but do it slowly as they can pull off spines and wool--overtime sun will weaken them, if you are that patient;
personally, i would not grow the haworthias in the same pots as cacti, they can survive, but ideally do not have the same watering schedule--the cacti are spring through fall watering, most haworthias prefer a rhythm more like: dry(ish) for about 6 weeks in the dimmest part of winter, water late winter through early summer, dry for about 6 weeks during the hottest months (this is important for many species as they re-grow roots at this time) then water fall till midwinter rest; bright enough light so as to have some colour other than mid green , but not quite as much light as the cacti, for most species..
7-i agree with pilosocereus; i think you have these indoors so it wont matter, but the piloso will be a bit more tender temperature wise than some others, coming from warm parts of brasil..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 08:58:12 PM
carlo- i agree there are a lot of really odd and cool caudiciform plants (basically fat stems, for those not familiar with the term--functionally, xerophytic plants with swollen stems or swollen roots which can be raised to be visible-these plants are not a family, but rather a series of adapatations occurring in many unrelated families, ranging from tiny tuberous things to giant trees)
hopefully you will share some of yours here :)

like james, i come from a succulent direction to an interest in cape bulbs, but then what i am interested in is not just pretty garden flowers, but cool and weird  little plants with interesting leaves... still not making much progress at getting any...lol
-i did get a resend on last year's awful shipment of SA seed, and have, among others, a couple of single leaf Ornithogalums to try..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 14, 2010, 09:26:42 PM
caudiciform plants (basically fat stems, for those not familiar with the term

I hope there is no implication here that certain Forum members could be termed "caudiciform."
 >:( ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 09:35:12 PM
caudiciform plants (basically fat stems, for those not familiar with the term

I hope there is no implication here that certain Forum members could be termed "caudiciform."
 >:( ;D ;D ;D

lol--well, maybe that would be a nice way of putting it? " I am not overweight, thank-you, I am simply caudiciform!" bet they wouldnt have a comeback!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Carlo on January 14, 2010, 09:39:28 PM
Oh Lesley...you didn't have to go THERE....
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: pel1 on January 14, 2010, 10:58:34 PM
cohan - "cool and weird" about sums up most of my favourite plants! Species pelargonium, cape bulbs, caudiciforms, pterocactus, tylecodon, etc, etc. great to have a thread to share them.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 14, 2010, 11:19:54 PM
cohan - "cool and weird" about sums up most of my favourite plants! Species pelargonium, cape bulbs, caudiciforms, pterocactus, tylecodon, etc, etc. great to have a thread to share them.

carl--you know lesley always has to go there ;)

james--looking forward to seeing your plants--pellies are another fascination of mine--but havent grown any of the geophytes yet; there was a fascinating article on Sarcocaulon (Pelargonium cousin ) in the last Penroc newsletter
http://www.penroc.co.za/news.html
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on January 14, 2010, 11:46:30 PM
That Penroc link is great,Cohan,  thanks!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: maggiepie on January 15, 2010, 12:04:15 AM
Cohan, thanks for the links as well as the information re cactus and haworthias shouldn't be in the same container.
I just fell in love with Senecio citriformis, from your first link.
I can see why people can get into collective mode with these Fat Plants. ;D
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 15, 2010, 12:28:25 AM
don't they showcase the most amazing plants and places, maggi? (penroc) some of the seed they sell is a bit problematic, i'm afraid, but i received a replacement for last year's and lets hope they germinate :)

helen--yes, another whole world to explore--actually several worlds!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: vivienr on January 15, 2010, 04:50:39 PM
Those that have not yet looked at Diane's new Midland Diary entry might like to pay it a visit for a nice display of fatties (and snow).

www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/+January+/249/ (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/+January+/249/)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: pel1 on January 15, 2010, 05:11:08 PM
Hi Cohan, thanks for the Penrock link-I m wasn't aware of this site and there is some good stuff there, I will explore it when I have more time.
You really need to get into those geophytic pellies!-they really are addictive, very collectable and mostly small growers.
I don't have any photos of my own plants in flower at the moment, but here is a nice p.triste in flower at Wisley last month.
Also, a few of my own plants in leaf this year, I will try and get decent photos of the flowers when they hopefully flower in the spring.
Do you have any photos of your own favourites?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: maggiepie on January 15, 2010, 05:49:33 PM
Vivien, thanks for the link, not only are there some terrific plants there, I think I just identified one of my unknown Haworthias.
I now think my #8 pic might be Haworthia viscosa.

James, I love the foliage on your last pic, it looks like an erodium leaf.
Think I might have to start looking into these pellies too.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 15, 2010, 07:13:06 PM
Hi Cohan, thanks for the Penrock link-I m wasn't aware of this site and there is some good stuff there, I will explore it when I have more time.
You really need to get into those geophytic pellies!-they really are addictive, very collectable and mostly small growers.
I don't have any photos of my own plants in flower at the moment, but here is a nice p.triste in flower at Wisley last month.
Also, a few of my own plants in leaf this year, I will try and get decent photos of the flowers when they hopefully flower in the spring.
Do you have any photos of your own favourites?

these are all very nice :)
i dont have any pellies at all now--i've just grown scenteds and zonals in the past, but i had some nice zonals i kept indoors (in my old shop with huge windows) for several years, and i had them staked up into big bushes that flowered all year..
i've been coveting the succulent and geophyte spp for years, but no chance to acquire any- i esp like those with fat stems..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: pel1 on January 15, 2010, 07:33:39 PM
maggiepie - less kind people have compared them to carrots!

cohan - these geophytes can be grown from seed in the same way as the more familiar pellies, just beware of overwatering as they mature. I grew some of the shrubbier species that gave rise to the garden hybrids from seed for the first time this year, they are doing well so far so I am hoping for a good display later this summer.

-James.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: johnw on January 16, 2010, 02:10:58 AM
Those that have not yet looked at Diane's new Midland Diary entry might like to pay it a visit for a nice display of fatties (and snow).

www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/+January+/249/ (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Midland/+January+/249/)

Diane - A nice collection. Is that Haworthia retusa just above the "Haw" of Haworthia viscosa?  Also I spy a well-grown Frithia or Fenestraria (?) in the background - well done.

johnw
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: johnw on January 16, 2010, 02:13:39 AM
My Frithias remain well above ground level the year round - I not too sure how to get them to 'retract' as they do in nature  ???

I'm not particularly successful with Conophytum, and I'm not too sure whether it's my cultivation technique or my unique growing conditions, but I do have some success and also have my favorites, e.g. C. khamiesbergensis (...which does surprisingly well for me!), C. herreanthus and C. ectypum in all its forms. One I can't grow at all, and would dearly like to is C. burgeri, here's a tray full (if rather overwatered!) I saw growing in a nursery in the Western Cape - maybe in my next life...  :P

Rogan  - Beautiful Conophytums, all gift-wrapped and ready to go.

johnw
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 16, 2010, 03:51:53 AM
maggiepie - less kind people have compared them to carrots!

cohan - these geophytes can be grown from seed in the same way as the more familiar pellies, just beware of overwatering as they mature. I grew some of the shrubbier species that gave rise to the garden hybrids from seed for the first time this year, they are doing well so far so I am hoping for a good display later this summer.

-James.

i always thought it would be fun to grow those species (hybrid ancestors) as well..
the pellies in general are on my list to grow from seed when i find some good ones available--its such a long list i just havent done it yet...lol
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Diane Clement on January 16, 2010, 12:23:20 PM
Diane - A nice collection. Is that Haworthia retusa just above the "Haw" of Haworthia viscosa?  Also I spy a well-grown Frithia or Fenestraria (?) in the background - well done.  johnw  

Hey, the well done isn't to me, these aren't mine, they belong to my husband!  I don't think there's H retusa, but on the left of the picture is a cross generic H truncata x Aloe sp.  I shall go and get a better picture of it, also there is a much better condition straight H truncata, I'll also check out the Frithia, as there is interest for succulents in this thread.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: johnw on January 16, 2010, 02:17:52 PM
Diane - A nice collection. Is that Haworthia retusa just above the "Haw" of Haworthia viscosa?  Also I spy a well-grown Frithia or Fenestraria (?) in the background - well done.  johnw  

Hey, the well done isn't to me, these aren't mine, they belong to my husband!  I don't think there's H retusa, but on the left of the picture is a cross generic H truncata x Aloe sp.  I shall go and get a better picture of it, also there is a much better condition straight H truncata, I'll also check out the Frithia, as there is interest for succulents in this thread.

Diana  - You're right! I have just changed my 20 year old + label to read H. truncata.  Thanks #2. Thanks #1 can be relayed to your husband.

johnw
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Diane Clement on January 17, 2010, 10:18:04 PM
A few of these "fat plants" from here.  Because they are my husband's plants, not mine, I had to check all the names and some of them seem to have changed  ::)  I was rather horrified to discover that they are no longer in the family Aloeaceae, but in an unpronounceable and unspellable new family Xanthorrhoeaceae

Gasterias first

Gasteria batesiana
and close up
Gasteria brachyphylla
Gasteria nitida var armstrongii
Gasteria carinata var verrucosa
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Diane Clement on January 17, 2010, 10:19:42 PM
And closely related Haworthias

Haworthia arachnoidea var arachnoidea (was H pearsonii)
Haworthia attenuata
Haworthia attenuata var attenuata
Haworthia coarctaca var coarctaca
Haworthia coarctaca salem
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Diane Clement on January 17, 2010, 10:33:38 PM
a few more Haworthias

Haworthia glauca var herrei (was H armstrongii)
Haworthia limifolia
Haworthia mirabilis var triebneria (was var nitidula)
label from the last one
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 18, 2010, 03:03:14 AM
A few of these "fat plants" from here.  Because they are my husband's plants, not mine, I had to check all the names and some of them seem to have changed  ::)  I was rather horrified to discover that they are no longer in the family Aloeaceae, but in an unpronounceable and unspellable new family Xanthorrhoeaceae

nice plants, congrats to your husband--i esp like seeing the mature clumps of haworthia :)
the family change was news to me! i'd been most recently thinking of the family as Asphodelaceae..
here's what wikkipedia says--i guess the change is not universally supported:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanthorrhoeaceae
an extract:
The APG II system also recognizes this family and places the family in the order Asparagales, in the clade monocots and allows two options:

sensu lato: the family consists not only of the genus Xanthorrhoea but also of the plants that otherwise would be in families Asphodelaceae and Hemerocallidaceae.
sensu stricto: the family consists only of the genus Xanthorrhoea. In this option, the families Asphodelaceae and Hemerocallidaceae are recognized as separate, satellite families.
In previous systems of plant taxonomy the plants that now form the family Dasypogonaceae were also reckoned to belong to this family
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hristo on January 18, 2010, 06:23:26 AM
Diane,
Your Gasteria nitida var armstrongii is a little treasure, a most interesting and 'fluid' like form, thanks for showing!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on January 18, 2010, 06:40:18 PM
some more..
first a couple of aloe hybrids--i bought these at the same time, and they looked different than one another then and i was given presumed names of A 'black gem' and A 'walmsley's bronze'.. from the pictures i have been able to find (online, so duly taken with a grain of salt..) there isnt that much difference between the two, black gem seems generally to be acknowledged to be an 'Alworthia'(aloe x haworthia) cross, now, though i think that must be true of the other as well, if thats the case...
anyway, one may have more tendencey to offset, though i am not convinced thats diagnostic and not just chance (the one not showing offsets in the photo has a clump of them coming on the other side); superficially, they seem different, but when you look closely, about any character you can come up with is the same; no flowers seen yet..
so, they remain nameless like most garden centre plants, but very nice none the less in about 5" pots; colour comes and goes over the year depending on periods of stronger sun and less water..
another shot of them at a different time of year, when they are green..
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Post by: maggiepie on January 18, 2010, 06:49:33 PM
And closely related Haworthias


Oh these are great, I particularly like Haworthia coarctaca salem.
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Post by: Sinchets on January 18, 2010, 06:51:48 PM
Interesting to hear about the Aloe x Haworthia. Do you know whether all of them interfertile or just a select few?
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Post by: cohan on January 18, 2010, 06:58:17 PM
i don't know whether it applies to all species, but its certainly very common in the family--there are rafts of intergeneric hybrids- 'alworthia' 'gasteraloe' 'gasterworthia' 'gastroloba' etc etc.. i dont know if bulbine and others are hybridised with these (only a few species have forms that would be complementary, but i'd think the yellow flowers would be a draw), but among aloe, haworthia, gasteria, and astroloba, its common..
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Post by: cohan on January 18, 2010, 07:10:43 PM
echeveria is a genus which isnt always so successful indoors-many species need higher light and/or maybe cooler winters, but there are some species which presumably grow under trees/scrub which do well enough..
Echeveria nodulosa
is one such--no doubt it would be more compact under higher light, but it is a naturally stemmed species, and in fact the stem has its own charms, so its worth seeing it bare..i just glanced at it, and the white growths on the stem have turned brown and woody over the offseason, so i need a new pic to update..
you can see from the overhead shot that it still has a nice compact rosette from that view..
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Post by: Ragged Robin on January 19, 2010, 08:03:06 AM
The red edge to the succulent leaves is very attractive, Cohan especially in the centrewhorl of the rosette.  What happens to the the white growths on the stem after they turn brown?
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Post by: cohan on January 19, 2010, 08:09:38 AM
The red edge to the succulent leaves is very attractive, Cohan especially in the centrewhorl of the rosette.  What happens to the the white growths on the stem after they turn brown?

its funny, the species name is 'nodulosa' which i would have thought referred to those lumpy stems, but i was unable to find any reference to that trait when i was looking last summer...
robin-the growths sort of dry out and harden, and then it  looks like a bumpy,warty (patterned) almost woody stem.. like a kind of armour..
i'll have to get updated photos..
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Post by: Hristo on January 20, 2010, 10:41:52 AM
Back in the days of having a greenhouse I used to have a collection of Stapeliads.I had to leave then behind in the UK but collected seed in 2006 before moving. The seed was sowed in June 2009, germinated rapidly, and the pots pictured are the result! I have never grown these from seed before so I am looking forward to seeing if there is any variation in the flowers.

Orbea variegata
Stapelia hirsuta
Stapleia sp. ( probably gigantea )
Stapelia sp ex Little Karoo
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Post by: Ragged Robin on January 20, 2010, 11:15:46 AM
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I have never grown these from seed before so I am looking forward to seeing if there is any variation in the flowers.

Wonderful pots full of interesting looking potential from seed Hristo - how long do they take from seed to flower?
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Post by: Ragged Robin on January 20, 2010, 11:20:11 AM
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like a kind of armour..

Cohan it's interesting what cacti plants do to protect themselves - are these random outcrops or does it happen all over the stem?
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Post by: Hristo on January 20, 2010, 11:24:49 AM
RR, I should imagine in their third or fourth year from seed.
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Post by: Ragged Robin on January 20, 2010, 11:27:20 AM
...well they obviously like Bulgaria  ;D
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Post by: cohan on January 20, 2010, 06:52:17 PM
Back in the days of having a greenhouse I used to have a collection of Stapeliads.I had to leave then behind in the UK but collected seed in 2006 before moving. The seed was sowed in June 2009, germinated rapidly, and the pots pictured are the result! I have never grown these from seed before so I am looking forward to seeing if there is any variation in the flowers.

Orbea variegata
Stapelia hirsuta
Stapleia sp. ( probably gigantea )
Stapelia sp ex Little Karoo


they are coming along fast! maybe you will see some flowers this summer..
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Post by: cohan on January 20, 2010, 07:07:08 PM
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like a kind of armour..

Cohan it's interesting what cacti plants do to protect themselves - are these random outcrops or does it happen all over the stem?

i havent seen older multistemmed plants of this echeveria to see what it does longterm, but the small plant i have had some of this at the bottom of the stem, then grew a couple inches without, then all the new growth this summer developed this 'cork' (its in a sort of geometric pattern, probably related to where leaf buds/scars are)..maybe depends on amount of water or light, or?? i'm guessing the smooth piece of stem was from the nursery when it was grown fast and soft as a cutting..
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Post by: Ragged Robin on January 20, 2010, 09:34:57 PM
Interesting thoughts, thanks Cohan.
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Post by: Maggi Young on January 21, 2010, 08:49:19 PM
May I suggest that you Cactus lovers take a look here :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4868.0      ;D
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Post by: cohan on January 22, 2010, 05:45:46 AM
May I suggest that you Cactus lovers take a look here :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4868.0      ;D
i saw the heading, but hadnt visited the thread yet...will look more closely..
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Post by: KentGardener on January 22, 2010, 07:16:19 AM
I don't grow them any more - but here are some pictures of my greenhouse I had when still living with my parents.  When I flew the family nest I had to sell the complete collection as I had no space for a greenhouse in my new garden.   :'(

I mainly collected Cristate plants, as I liked (and still like) the weird stuff, and hybrid Echinopsis for the stunning flowers - but I also had a fair scattering of other stuff too.

It was thanks to cacti and succulents that my love of gardens and plants developed.  8)
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Post by: ranunculus on January 22, 2010, 09:14:42 AM
An amazing array of beautiful plants, John ... a very difficult decision to part from them?
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Post by: Ragged Robin on January 22, 2010, 10:11:31 AM
John, what a fantastic collection - just amazing how succulents can perform given the expertise of the grower  :)  Which would be your top choice to grow now without a greenhouse?
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Post by: KentGardener on January 22, 2010, 10:33:33 AM
I don't actually grow any cacti now - but I have some friends who experiment with growing them outside in the UK - with rain shelters over them in the winter to keep excess water off - but no added heat during winter.

These are a few snaps I took in there gardens during summer 2009.

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Post by: Ragged Robin on January 22, 2010, 10:48:52 AM
What a challenge!  Quite a different sort of garden for the UK.... 8)   what type of rain shelters do they use?
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Post by: KentGardener on January 22, 2010, 10:58:19 AM
The first picture has a poly tunnel that cover the complete bed (you can just make it out rolled up for the summer at the top of the picture).

The other two build individual structures, out of 2x2 wood and plastic, over any plants that require them.  Often referred to as looking like 'a shanty town' during the winter.   ;D
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Post by: johnw on January 22, 2010, 01:09:04 PM
Such flowering on the Echinopsis! Well done John.  I never managed to flower one (Paramount hybrids as I recall) in the 20 years I collected Cacti.

And that garden is surreal.

johnw
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Post by: cohan on January 22, 2010, 06:32:12 PM
I don't grow them any more - but here are some pictures of my greenhouse I had when still living with my parents.  When I flew the family nest I had to sell the complete collection as I had no space for a greenhouse in my new garden.   :'(

I mainly collected Cristate plants, as I liked (and still like) the weird stuff, and hybrid Echinopsis for the stunning flowers - but I also had a fair scattering of other stuff too.

It was thanks to cacti and succulents that my love of gardens and plants developed.  8)

good show on the echinopsis :) i've started over with plants a few times, too, but never got rid of that many at once...
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Post by: pel1 on February 03, 2010, 07:54:21 PM
hi all,
This thread has gone a bit quiet lately, here ae a few pelargonium photos from my collection to hopefully start things up again. Does anyone out there have any tips for getting section polyactium (ie triste, gibbosum, x ardens etc) to flower? I have never got one of these wonderful plants to bloom, even though the horaea section gives me no trouble, perhaps these plants need to be large to flower? I know they get quite big in habitat.
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Post by: Maggi Young on February 03, 2010, 08:20:14 PM
James, all but one of your photo uploads failed.... I've deleted the links to save people opening non-existent files!

Interesting to see these pelargoniums.... I know nothing about them!
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Post by: pel1 on February 03, 2010, 10:04:16 PM
thanks maggi, having another go!
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Post by: Maggi Young on February 03, 2010, 10:10:04 PM
All three there fine this time..... you are quite sure these are not vegetables, James??  ;D ;)
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Post by: Armin on February 04, 2010, 09:11:20 PM
Very interesting and fabulous pictures. When I was a student I had a small collection of cacti but gave it up when I moved my flat.
But I'm still fascinated.
Below 2 shots were made in a monastery in Corfu/Greece June 2009.
I think it is a Selenicereus sp.. It was the largest I've ever seen.
If you can ID and give a name I would be glad.

 
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Post by: pel1 on February 05, 2010, 04:56:23 PM
Nice photos-what a monster! I'm no selenicereus expert, but I'm sure those outgrowths on the stems will mean something to someone. Most of the selenicereus species will give you those spectacular flowers, but they need to be quite large, not easy in a flat!
regards, James
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Post by: pel1 on February 05, 2010, 05:16:27 PM
I was repoting my pterocactus collection today, and accidentally broke off the main stem from my p. skottsbergii (easily done I find), is any one looking for this unusal species? I would particularly like to swap it for a cutting of p.hickenii, megliolii, gonjianii or kuntzii "monstrose", but would possibly consider some sort of interesting bulb.
regards, James
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Post by: cohan on February 05, 2010, 06:32:59 PM
good stuff!
james-i like those pellies-i do like the shrubby ones too, would like to get a  basic zonal type species;
pterocactus are cool, would like to see more of your collection..

armin-the selenicereus is great--i don't know the species, but if you'd like to email me the photos, i could forward to people who might have more of an idea..
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Post by: Armin on February 05, 2010, 10:15:55 PM
Thanks Cohan - have e-mailed you ;)
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Post by: cohan on February 06, 2010, 07:32:12 AM
Thanks Cohan - have e-mailed you ;)

got them, i will let you know what  i hear..
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Post by: pel1 on February 06, 2010, 08:22:26 PM
Hi Cohan,
All my pterocactus photos are as prints and my scanner is playing up at the moment, as soon as I can peruade it to work again I will post some more pictures, as you can imagine, pterocacti arn't really worth photographing at this time of year!
I have just sown some seed that is supposed to be descended from a habitat collected plant of pelargonium zonale, the origional zonal species, so I could have some to spare later in the year, but I am not sure how we would stand re getting them to you? You might find that Silverhill sells seed of this one, also, the Geraniaceae Group has an excellent free seedlist, although unfortunately you have just missed this years distribution.
I am always interested to see your pics/swap info/exchange seeds cuttings etc of any species pelargonium-they are really addictive, so much variation in a single genus! (perhaps one of us should start a pelly thread?)
Below is a nice reniforme flowering at Kew last autumn;
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Post by: Maggi Young on February 06, 2010, 08:38:26 PM
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(perhaps one of us should start a pelly thread?)

 12 pelly threads in the Forum already, James......  ;D
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Post by: cohan on February 07, 2010, 07:05:16 AM
Hi Cohan,
All my pterocactus photos are as prints and my scanner is playing up at the moment, as soon as I can peruade it to work again I will post some more pictures, as you can imagine, pterocacti arn't really worth photographing at this time of year!
I have just sown some seed that is supposed to be descended from a habitat collected plant of pelargonium zonale, the origional zonal species, so I could have some to spare later in the year, but I am not sure how we would stand re getting them to you? You might find that Silverhill sells seed of this one, also, the Geraniaceae Group has an excellent free seedlist, although unfortunately you have just missed this years distribution.
I am always interested to see your pics/swap info/exchange seeds cuttings etc of any species pelargonium-they are really addictive, so much variation in a single genus! (perhaps one of us should start a pelly thread?)
Below is a nice reniforme flowering at Kew last autumn;


do you grow all the pterocacti indoors? do they flower for you?
my entire relationshoip with pelargoniums is theoretical at the mometnt! seed will definitely be in order, but not this season :)

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Post by: pel1 on February 07, 2010, 04:35:12 PM
Maggi-thanks for the pointer, I have posted on the  "species Pelargoniums - OP" thread  in the hope of getting it going again. Do you think this thread would be more noticed in the "General forum" thread? 

Cohan-I grow all my pterocacti on the top shelf in a cool  greenhouse in as much light as I can give them, but so far my kuntzei is the only one large enough to flower reliably.
I got my scanner working again, so here are the rest of my plants, which ones do you grow?
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Post by: Maggi Young on February 07, 2010, 04:47:40 PM
Maggi-thanks for the pointer, I have posted on the  "species Pelargoniums - OP" thread  in the hope of getting it going again. Do you think this thread would be more noticed in the "General forum" thread? 



 No bother, James.... and I have moved the thread as you suggested... may catch a few more pelly fans!
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Post by: cohan on February 07, 2010, 08:43:21 PM
Maggi-thanks for the pointer, I have posted on the  "species Pelargoniums - OP" thread  in the hope of getting it going again. Do you think this thread would be more noticed in the "General forum" thread? 

Cohan-I grow all my pterocacti on the top shelf in a cool  greenhouse in as much light as I can give them, but so far my kuntzei is the only one large enough to flower reliably.
I got my scanner working again, so here are the rest of my plants, which ones do you grow?

cool plants--i esp like the australis..
i dont have any pteros yet, never had any access to plants, even in toronto, and haven't got around to trying seed yet-i've seen some on seedlists, but there were a lot of other things on my lists! no urgency, lots of seed already here to be sown of various things, more for outdoor plants, but aq few for inside with no clear idea of where they will go..lol ;
are all of these caudiciform? any that can be raised?
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Post by: pel1 on February 07, 2010, 09:31:40 PM
They all develop quite impressive fleshy roots which can be raised for effect, I will try and get a photo for you.
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Post by: cohan on February 08, 2010, 12:09:14 AM
They all develop quite impressive fleshy roots which can be raised for effect, I will try and get a photo for you.

cool--i have heard suggestions that most 'caudiciform' cacti don't respond well to having the roots raised, but wasn't sure how true it is..
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Post by: pel1 on February 08, 2010, 01:46:09 PM
I must admit I havn't tried this technique with any other genera, but it seems to do pteros no harm. Remember though, an English summer is probably a lot cooler than yours! I gues where you are you might run into problems with burning?
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Post by: cohan on February 08, 2010, 06:39:41 PM
Remember though, an English summer is probably a lot cooler than yours! I gues where you are you might run into problems with burning?

hmm--just how cool is your summer? heat is certainly not something i associate with this particular climate: at around 1000m and not far from the foothills of the rockies, we can see 30, 32C(records around 34); the number of such days varies greatly-last year there were scarcely any, the year before quite a few; however its nearly always cool at night-15/16C would be a very warm summer night, 10, or even single digits are not uncommon..

we don't have a midsummer hot period when gardens slow down--midsummer is virtually the only summer we have..lol


however-my plants are all on windowsills, so that is a slightly different issue, as nearness to the glass i think creates a different kind of heat
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Post by: pel1 on February 09, 2010, 03:53:52 PM
Doesn't sound like high temperatures would be a problem!
Here are a few of my pteros with the roots exposed, they look a bit tatty at this time of year I'm affraid.............
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Post by: Lesley Cox on February 09, 2010, 07:04:11 PM
Some time ago and on another thread, there was some interest shown in the lovely (but monocarpic) succulent Sedum pilosum. I have a little seed if anyone would like it, perhaps for 2 people. There was a lot more but it fell before I noticed it was ready. If interested, pm me with postal address.
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Post by: cohan on February 09, 2010, 07:22:31 PM
Doesn't sound like high temperatures would be a problem!
Here are a few of my pteros with the roots exposed, they look a bit tatty at this time of year I'm affraid.............

yes, i seldom think of high temperatures being a problem here  ;D of course underglass is another story, but i dont have that problem yet!

the pteros are looking good--thanks for the full view, that shows their special character..
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Post by: cohan on February 09, 2010, 07:46:40 PM
this cactus usually flowers on my windowsill beginning in late january; it just made it this year before month's end; each flower lasts only a few days, but they are produced over some weeks.. this one didn't open to its full potential, as it was cloudy/foggy for those days, hopefully i will get more/better shots later on;
i have this as
Gymnocactus ysabelae
the genus gymnocactus has been subsumed in the genus Turbinicarpus,according to some, although there are some characters arguing for distinction;
the lumper's name, i think, would be
Turbinicarpus saueri ssp ysabelae
i've had the plant for several years, (4inch/10cm pot) and it has not appreciably changed in size, nor is it showing any inclination to offset; it does grow, but then compresses the old growth at the base-when i bought it, it had some slight splits around the bottom from overwatering at the nursery, presumably, those have been pushed down into the old growth at the base and are no longer visible; i have it in a very mineral substrate, no overwatering here ;)
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Post by: Armin on February 09, 2010, 08:09:39 PM
Cohan,
a quite attractive cacti with its cotton collar 8)
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Post by: Carlo on February 09, 2010, 08:21:24 PM
Lesleys offer of Sedum pilosum seed seems to have gone unanswered...don't pass this up folks. S.p. is a honey of a plant. (OH, perhaps you've contacted her privately...good for you.)
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Post by: Lesley Cox on February 10, 2010, 03:16:16 AM
One pm so far. Could probably stretch to 2 more.
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Post by: cohan on February 10, 2010, 06:31:56 AM
Cohan,
a quite attractive cacti with its cotton collar 8)

thanks, armin--especially valued flowering at this time of year when there is not much else yet inside, and outside is pure white!
btw, i got a few replies about your corfu cactus, but nothing that sounds definitive yet..
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Post by: cohan on February 10, 2010, 06:35:02 AM
One pm so far. Could probably stretch to 2 more.

i was tempted indeed, and had to sit on my typing hands twice--but seriously, i am quite sure i have more seed (of various things) than i can sow!
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Post by: cohan on February 10, 2010, 06:33:22 PM
Very interesting and fabulous pictures. When I was a student I had a small collection of cacti but gave it up when I moved my flat.
But I'm still fascinated.
Below 2 shots were made in a monastery in Corfu/Greece June 2009.
I think it is a Selenicereus sp.. It was the largest I've ever seen.
If you can ID and give a name I would be glad.

a friend posted the photos for me on the epicactus group, and i posted them on my c+s group, and consensus was Selenicereus hamatus; oh, and lots of drooling over the specimen ;) i told them as long as they have a sunny spot the size of a monastery roof, they could grow it like that too ;)
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Post by: Alberto on February 14, 2010, 06:52:47 PM
Very interesting and fabulous pictures. When I was a student I had a small collection of cacti but gave it up when I moved my flat.
But I'm still fascinated.
Below 2 shots were made in a monastery in Corfu/Greece June 2009.
I think it is a Selenicereus sp.. It was the largest I've ever seen.
If you can ID and give a name I would be glad.

 
Armin, it is Selenicereus hamatus, the largest I have ever seen!

Alberto
 
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Post by: Armin on February 14, 2010, 07:31:20 PM
Ciao Alberto,
thank you for the identification. So I was already on a good way with correct family ID.
I googled a bit and this seems to be the real "Queen Of The Night" then, right?

Yes, it is an amazing cati. In Mexico, its origin, it is called "living fence". Each cacti branch can reach a lenght of 4m.
Do you grow it yourself?
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Post by: cohan on February 14, 2010, 08:24:20 PM
Ciao Alberto,
thank you for the identification. So I was already on a good way with correct family ID.
I googled a bit and this seems to be the real "Queen Of The Night" then, right?

Yes, it is an amazing cati. In Mexico, its origin, it is called "living fence". Each cacti branch can reach a lenght of 4m.
Do you grow it yourself?

good thing you got over here for the message, i meant to email with the results but kept forgetting  ;)
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Post by: Armin on February 14, 2010, 08:26:17 PM
Cohan,
no problem! ;)
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Post by: Ezeiza on February 14, 2010, 11:43:25 PM
James, those Pterocactus must be extremely expensive given their slow rate of growth.
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Post by: pel1 on February 15, 2010, 01:58:47 PM
Ezeiza -
All my pteros were bought as young plants some time ago and at fairly low prices, (approx £1/£1.50) they slowly increase in size year by year.
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Post by: Ezeiza on February 15, 2010, 02:05:41 PM
They look very fine. It is great to know they had been obtained from seed as their adaptability is so much better.
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Post by: Alberto on February 15, 2010, 06:46:03 PM
Ciao Alberto,
thank you for the identification. So I was already on a good way with correct family ID.
I googled a bit and this seems to be the real "Queen Of The Night" then, right?

Yes, it is an amazing cati. In Mexico, its origin, it is called "living fence". Each cacti branch can reach a lenght of 4m.
Do you grow it yourself?
Armin, a lot of epiphytic cacti are named 'Queen of the Night', but I think the real one is Selenicereus grandiflorus. I grow the S. hamatus, it is very easy as it can get a little frost. Of course I have it in pot and every year I can enjoy about 20 flowers. Also in pot it is a very strong plant and it grows about two meters in one year!
Ciao
Alberto
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Post by: angie on February 15, 2010, 06:58:52 PM
Wonder if these books are any good to anyone... A Guide to growing Pachycaul and Caudiciform plant and Bonsai succulents volume ll.s by Philipee de Vosjoli
Angie :)
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Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2010, 07:26:12 PM
Interesting books, Angie.... not cheap at Amazon!
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Post by: angie on February 15, 2010, 07:32:15 PM
No use to me Maggi, thought they might be of use to some of our forum members rather than just sit in a charity shop shelf.
Angie :)
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Post by: cohan on February 15, 2010, 08:02:23 PM
Wonder if these books are any good to anyone... A Guide to growing Pachycaul and Caudiciform plant and Bonsai succulents volume ll.s by Philipee de Vosjoli
Angie :)

i've heard of these..you are selling them? i'm sure someone would be interested in a bargain..of course shipping adds up too..
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Post by: angie on February 15, 2010, 08:36:29 PM
No just to a good home.
Angie :)
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Post by: pel1 on February 16, 2010, 11:41:24 AM
A very generous offer Angie-I would definately be interested in either or both! What would you want for them?
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on February 21, 2010, 07:59:33 PM
I saw  also caudiciforms  who find a place on this forum . 
In that case I like to post a few from my own collection   

First two is Bombax ellipticum (must be almost twenty years in our collection)
Picture 3&4  : Cyphostemma juttae ,even longer in the collection.
Pict 5 : Pachypodium bispinosum
Pict 6 : Pachypodium horombense (raised from seed) and P.namaquanum
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Post by: maggiepie on February 21, 2010, 08:10:01 PM
Kris, what an interesting assortment of plants.
Once upon a time I would have found these ugly but now I think they are beautiful.
Discernment must come with age  ;D
Btw, I absolutely love the little woven baskets the pots are sitting in. I wish they were available here.
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Post by: cohan on February 21, 2010, 08:27:00 PM
I saw  also caudiciforms  who find a place on this forum . 
In that case I like to post a few from my own collection   

First two is Bombax ellipticum (must be almost twenty years in our collection)
Picture 3&4  : Cyphostemma juttae ,even longer in the collection.
Pict 5 : Pachypodium bispinosum
Pict 6 : Pachypodium horombense (raised from seed) and P.namaquanum

great plants--some nice age and size to them! do these go outdoors in summer?
some friends were showing Pachypodium brevicaule on another forum, blooming now--thats a tiny species that i love...
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on February 22, 2010, 06:25:12 PM
Kris, what an interesting assortment of plants.
Once upon a time I would have found these ugly but now I think they are beautiful.
Discernment must come with age  ;D
Btw, I absolutely love the little woven baskets the pots are sitting in. I wish they were available here.

Thanks Helen.
The woven basket are "a fashion trend" some time ago.Now I can't find them anymore here...
In wintertime I have to move my caudiciforms from the glasshouse and bring them inside.
Reason is that I don't want to heat that much in my glasshouse.To please my lady ,I choose this baskets .
So I can hide the plastic pots ,which is necessary as condition to bring the plants inside.
I like caudiciforms anyway but the disadvantage is they need heat(much heat )in winter.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on February 22, 2010, 06:34:46 PM
great plants--some nice age and size to them! do these go outdoors in summer?
some friends were showing Pachypodium brevicaule on another forum, blooming now--thats a tiny species that i love...
Hi Cohan ,thanks.
Here in our climate there are a few who could survive outside in summer.I think Pachypodium bispinosum is possible if the pottingmixture is very lean.Most of them stays in my greenhouse because our summers are not reliable anyway. Pachypodium brevicaule is one of the best ,it is a real beauty .But it is also a real difficult plant to cultivate in our area.I  tried it different times and with no success .Even tried with grafted plants and also this was not a success. 
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Post by: cohan on February 22, 2010, 07:57:57 PM
my summer is also not reliable for most c+s outdoors, no greenhouse yet, so they are all in the house full time..

i haven't tried brevicaule, but have heard it is often on a suicide mission ;) it seems it may also depend on the individuals--i have some friends who have tried and failed, and now are doing very well with plants from a particular seed batch a friend raised; he is trying to pollinate the seedlings of that batch now, in hopes to get more seed of strong individuals...
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Post by: maggiepie on February 22, 2010, 08:10:28 PM

I like caudiciforms anyway but the disadvantage is they need heat(much heat )in winter.

I better not even think about them then, the thermostat in my house is set around 16-18C during winter.

Btw, your lady is very fortunate that you show such consideration. My poor other half has to put up with living in a jungle during the winter months.
Trays of seedlings and plants everywhere. :)
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Post by: cohan on February 23, 2010, 08:18:56 AM

I like caudiciforms anyway but the disadvantage is they need heat(much heat )in winter.

I better not even think about them then, the thermostat in my house is set around 16-18C during winter.

Btw, your lady is very fortunate that you show such consideration. My poor other half has to put up with living in a jungle during the winter months.
Trays of seedlings and plants everywhere. :)

16-18C is fine for most species for winter(too cold for me, though...lol)--they are considered to want warmth relative to cactus collections, for example, which are often kept just above freezing in greenhouses over winter; things like adenium and pachypodium are dormant in winter, usually, and usually need to be above 10C as a minimum, though i have had them (a few, havent grown many as they tend to get too big) on windowsills which must have pushed that line on cold nights, though warmer in daytime..
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Post by: maggiepie on February 23, 2010, 12:54:14 PM
Cohan, thanks for the clarification. I'm still finding my way with cold climate gardening.
I don't find 16-18 too bad, I just wear more jumpers  :)
 
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Post by: cohan on February 23, 2010, 06:32:45 PM
Cohan, thanks for the clarification. I'm still finding my way with cold climate gardening.
I don't find 16-18 too bad, I just wear more jumpers  :)
 

actually, since virtually all of our heat is from a woodstove, the temperature varies a lot from one room/spot to another, and depending at what stage the fire is, even with fans--so when i am sitting to watch tv it may not be much above your 16-18 at times, but the computer is very near the stove, so here its probably nearer 30 when the fire is going strong; ironically, its hardest to get a good temperature when its not very cold outside--too cold for no heat, but the stove quickly overheats, then if you start only a small fire, quickly burns down and start over ;)
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Post by: maggiepie on February 23, 2010, 06:58:05 PM
Cohan, our computer room is usually the warmest room in the house, it's amazing how much heat a few computers can throw out.
I get what you are saying about warmth indoors when the temps rise outside, we are having that at the moment.
Am feeling colder inside now with +2 outside than I was when it was -16 outside. Doesn't make sense to me.
The 30 from the woodstove would just about kill me. I had never slept with a window closed even in winter until I came to Canada. Still find that difficult.
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Post by: cohan on February 23, 2010, 07:06:19 PM
Cohan, our computer room is usually the warmest room in the house, it's amazing how much heat a few computers can throw out.
I get what you are saying about warmth indoors when the temps rise outside, we are having that at the moment.
Am feeling colder inside now with +2 outside than I was when it was -16 outside. Doesn't make sense to me.
The 30 from the woodstove would just about kill me. I had never slept with a window closed even in winter until I came to Canada. Still find that difficult.


i'm good with heat, but don't like dry air-keep a pot of water on the stove, but its not nearly as drying as central heating--not weeping walls like we had in toronto ;) but still not bad..my sinuses shrivel when it gets too dry...lol
i tend to have plants on the majority of windows, so opening windows below 10C is not something i'd even consider,and then heat is hard won--either paid for or in this case (wood)earned with hard labour, so i'm not inclined to let it escape through open windows ;) however, this house was never finished properly, so there is plenty of ventilation...lol
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on February 23, 2010, 08:08:38 PM
16-18C is fine for most species for winter(too cold for me, though...lol)--they are considered to want warmth relative to cactus collections, for example, which are often kept just above freezing in greenhouses over winter; things like adenium and pachypodium are dormant in winter, usually, and usually need to be above 10C as a minimum, though i have had them (a few, havent grown many as they tend to get too big) on windowsills which must have pushed that line on cold nights, though warmer in daytime..

This is exactly what I mean Cohan.The glasshouse where I keep my cacti is to cold for the caudiciforms.
(keep it frostfree no more ,no less) 
Few caudiciforms tolerate a 5 degrees Celcius in wintertime .
Try to post a few caudiciforms next season .By the end of may they will be moved to the glasshouse again and start to grow.By the end of september or in october they come back inside.
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Post by: pel1 on February 23, 2010, 09:08:07 PM
There are at least a few caudiciforms that can survive the sort of temperatures found in the average frost-free cactus greenhouse, why not try some of the following-Dioscorea Elephantipes, Kedrostis Africanus, Pachypodium Succulentum and most of the tuberous Pelargonium species. There are probably many more!
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on February 23, 2010, 09:47:00 PM
There are at least a few caudiciforms that can survive the sort of temperatures found in the average frost-free cactus greenhouse, why not try some of the following-Dioscorea Elephantipes, Kedrostis Africanus, Pachypodium Succulentum and most of the tuberous Pelargonium species. There are probably many more!

I agree with this list James .Dioscorea also stays in my greenhouse for the winter and even get some water in this period.There are more  ,Sarcocaulon e.g.
But Adenium and most of the Pachypodium must have 10 degrees anyway.
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Post by: pel1 on February 23, 2010, 09:52:50 PM
I agree, Adenium, and anything from Madagascar, is very tender, it seems to do ok on my windowsill though.
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Post by: pel1 on March 12, 2010, 06:19:56 PM
Hi,
Could anyone out there spare a cutting of the unusual tuberous rooted cactus Opuntia chaffeyi ? I had one for many years but lost it to a mealy bug infestation, in return, I can offer cuttings from several nice pterocactus species.
Many thanks, James.
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Post by: angie on March 25, 2010, 12:22:33 PM
Here are some caudiciforms Tylosema fassoglensis, phyllanthus mirabilis, 2 small dioscorea, Zygosicyos trichadenia, Pseudolithos migiurtinus,uncarina sp. and a  large Adenia Spinosa, I think this one will have to go to someone local ( post would be to expensive )
Sorry if spelling isn't right labels a bit faded, anyone interested please pm me,
Angie :)
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Post by: mark smyth on March 25, 2010, 06:07:39 PM
My cacti that spent all winter, down to -11c, are coming bck in to growth again. Only one fatality - so far.
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Post by: ruweiss on April 13, 2010, 09:22:41 PM
Last Weekend our Cactus Club (www.vkw-kakteen.de) had his annual show with plant sale in
Korb near Stuttgart. We had many visitors during the two days who enjoyed the plants and took
the chance to obtain many plants offered by private and professional nursery people.
Gymnocalycium saglionis was about 60 years old and the Stenocactus about 35 years. Czech
nurserymen offered grafted Pachypodiums and showed the stock plants, the yellow one was
15 years old! Agave ferox starts to flower and the owner wonders how high it will grow.
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Post by: cohan on April 16, 2010, 07:29:59 PM
Last Weekend our Cactus Club (www.vkw-kakteen.de) had his annual show with plant sale in
Korb near Stuttgart. We had many visitors during the two days who enjoyed the plants and took
the chance to obtain many plants offered by private and professional nursery people.
Gymnocalycium saglionis was about 60 years old and the Stenocactus about 35 years. Czech
nurserymen offered grafted Pachypodiums and showed the stock plants, the yellow one was
15 years old! Agave ferox starts to flower and the owner wonders how high it will grow.


looks like a really nice show! i miss being in  a place where there are clubs/shows..
the P brevicaule is great-i know they can be hard to grow and slow..
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Post by: iann on April 16, 2010, 11:41:48 PM
How did I miss this entire thread :o

Summer temperatures here are cool too.  Last year didn't reach 27C (80F) and the all time record is 93F.  I won't mention the winter ::)  Of course in a greenhouse I can have any temperature I want on a sunny day and cooling is more difficult than heating.

I have lots of cacti, but I do like the miniature ones.  I have very few of the caudiciform fat plants, but a couple of miniature ones of those too.  Here's a few of my favourites.  I think all of these are in two inch pots.

I also grow Fenestrarias, not in two inch pots!  Despite the almost universal literature saying it can't be done, I grow them with the leaves buried.  They need to be buried in something dry and porous or the leaves will split because they can't shed water.  They may even rot if you overwater them.  They also need strong and consistent light or they will stretch out of the grit.  This is a particular problem in winter because they love to grow when the weather is cool.

alstonii 35
alstonii 36
Othonna cacalioides 5
Mammillaria tepexicensis 5
luethyi 26
fireworth 17
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Post by: cohan on April 17, 2010, 04:45:35 AM
great stuff--
cacalioides is Othonna? (looking it up led me to this site:
http://plants-pottery-photo.blogspot.com/2009/09/few-small-pots.html
the mammillaria tepexicensis is very sweet as well..i have a few things flowering at this time of year, if i can ever get (around to getting) the pictures uploaded!
mostly fairly ordinary gymnos, mamms, noto, weingartias--but great to have the colour now when nothing is happening yet outside!
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Post by: iann on April 17, 2010, 08:42:39 PM
Yes, Othonna cacalioides.  Not the sort of thing I usually grow, but they were given to me as cute little buttons.  I may not like them so much when the caudexes get big and gnarly.  I'm just pleased they are still alive, not what a few caudiciform growers predicted :P  I'm not generally big on plants that are dead sticks all summer.
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Post by: cohan on April 18, 2010, 03:03:58 AM
Yes, Othonna cacalioides.  Not the sort of thing I usually grow, but they were given to me as cute little buttons.  I may not like them so much when the caudexes get big and gnarly.  I'm just pleased they are still alive, not what a few caudiciform growers predicted :P  I'm not generally big on plants that are dead sticks all summer.

i don't have many caudis at all--no room for the big things--and not warm enough to summer outdoors i would really love  a few that get really interesting roots/trunks but can be kept in no more than 4inch pot, and not much taller (i don't mean bonsai); the only such thing i have is one eriospermum; about 5 seed attempts at least have produced nothing;..i like the gnarly roots..i don't mind dead sticks in summer (actually, i like the look, anyway)-but summer there is a lot going on outdoors, so i am happy for indoor plants that do their thing fall through spring; interestingly, here, its turning out that most of my cacti are going that way--not so hot that they are dormant mid-summer, but my best light inside is spring and fall, so i am watering much earlier than i did in toronto, which the cacti seem to appreciate, and my days get longer very fast, so flowering is triggered earlier; mid-summer i can mostly ignore the indoor plants as i'd prefer..
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Post by: Rogan on April 20, 2010, 08:54:04 AM
Iann, what's the little "fat" thing beyond the Othonna cacalioides? I do so enjoy growing Gibbaeum spp that anything that remotely resembles them pricks my interest.

Careful where you step! One of the greatest succulent sights I've ever seen - Muiria hortenseae (a close relative of Gibbaeum) in habitat:
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Post by: maggiepie on April 20, 2010, 01:02:21 PM
Very interesting plants, Iann.
I really like the alstoniis, have never seen anything like those before.


Rogan, what an amazing sight.
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Post by: cohan on April 20, 2010, 07:47:37 PM
Iann, what's the little "fat" thing beyond the Othonna cacalioides? I do so enjoy growing Gibbaeum spp that anything that remotely resembles them pricks my interest.

Careful where you step! One of the greatest succulent sights I've ever seen - Muiria hortenseae (a close relative of Gibbaeum) in habitat:

great view--i love these scenes of pebbly fields of succulents..the little bits of green are fascinating too..
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Post by: Lesley Cox on April 21, 2010, 03:37:03 AM
Iann, what's the little "fat" thing beyond the Othonna cacalioides? I do so enjoy growing Gibbaeum spp that anything that remotely resembles them pricks my interest.

Careful where you step! One of the greatest succulent sights I've ever seen - Muiria hortenseae (a close relative of Gibbaeum) in habitat:

Hence the common name "Living Stones." :)
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Post by: iann on April 21, 2010, 10:30:36 PM
Rogan, that particular blob is Gibbaeum pilosulum in fat mode.  Pretty soon it will be a dry husk.

The Muirias are just a few inches away :)  Here they are a couple of months ago.  Starting to turn mushy now.
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Post by: Rogan on April 22, 2010, 08:48:07 AM
Great to see your Muirias Iann   8)  - now, how (if you don't mind) do you keep them alive as I seem to lose so many seedlings from year to year?
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Post by: iann on April 23, 2010, 11:30:13 PM
Hard to say what I do to keep them alive since I haven't killed any :o Yet ::)  When do you lose yours?  Summer or winter?

I feel it is important to give them water reasonably often but not too much.  I think winter light is critical, difficult for me but perhaps easier for you.  Keeping them alive might be possible but flowering them probably much harder.  Dormancy is scary and I tend to skip right through it.  Summers are cool enough that I don't need an extended dormancy.

Probably consistent strong sun and low humidity help.  Experienced California growers find Muirias quite manageable and flower them regularly.
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Post by: Rogan on April 26, 2010, 07:56:45 AM
I think my problem is excessive humidity during summer and a warm winter (or just plain ineptitude!  :o) - a far cry from their natural habitat. My plants do not recover from dormancy, a problem that I routinely have with several species of Conophytum as well. Perhaps I should modify my watering regime to shorten the dry periods between watering.

I have studied them well in habitat where the colony sits in the rain-shadow of the Langeberg mountains. Despite that, the area seems to be fairly well-watered as the coastal fog swirls over the crest of the mountains in winter and settles on the land for several kilometres beyond - I'm not too sure how often this occurs during the hot and dry summer months though.

Some bright autumn colour in the succulent greenhouse - Conophytum ectypum forms:
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Post by: iann on April 27, 2010, 07:22:22 PM
Summer dormancy is hardly necessary here, it just isn't warm enough for long enough.  Even with hot days in a greenhouse, nights are still cool.  Like the sheathing Gibbaeums, it is hard enough getting Muirias to dry out their old leaves at all and the new leaves more or less come straight through.  Conophytums can easily be grown without a dormancy, but they are small enough that they can be dried out and then left for a couple of months.  Many of them wake up on their own in July or August.

If you find the larger bilobe Conophytums easier, it could be because they are able to withstand more heat and a longer totally dry period.  The tiny ones, and especially the more southerly species, need summer water and some shade.  Just a spray though.
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Post by: Maggi Young on April 30, 2010, 02:53:42 PM
Fans of "fat plants" in the Netherlands should have a look at this page from the Flemish Rock Garden Club, telling of two open days at the  home of the Chairman of a Cactus Society on the 29th and 30th May....
OPENTUINDAGEN 2010 LEUCHTENBERGIA VZW.....
see here: http://www.vrvforum.be/?p=647
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Post by: cohan on May 01, 2010, 08:07:09 AM

Some bright autumn colour in the succulent greenhouse - Conophytum ectypum forms:

oh for the problem of a warm winter!
great colours on those conos--esp love the orangey one..
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Post by: daveyp1970 on May 05, 2010, 05:34:33 PM
my first stapelia to flower this year rob if your reading this do you still want a piece of it.
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Post by: Gail on May 05, 2010, 05:51:26 PM
my first stapelia to flower this year rob if your reading this do you still want a piece of it.
Stapelia??  Surely those are starfish escaping from that pot?  :)
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Post by: Hans J on May 25, 2010, 04:55:06 PM
here today 29° and a lot of Cacti flowers are open

enjoy
Hans 8)
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Post by: ashley on May 25, 2010, 05:02:36 PM
Fantastic Hans :o
How do you manage to look after so many, and is this greenhouse heated in winter?

And what an amazing stapelia David.  Does it smell nice? ;)
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Post by: Armin on May 25, 2010, 05:04:41 PM
Hi Hans,
impressive cacti collection, very lovely and still so many flowers in buds :o 8) 8) 8)
Is there anything 'green' you don't have yet?  ;) ;D
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Post by: Hans J on May 25, 2010, 06:27:41 PM
Hi Ashley and Armin

thank you for your interest  ;D

My greenhouse is heatet in winter ( a minimum of 5° )

Cacti was my first love - since more than 35 years !!!
Thats really plants for lazy gardener ....they need no big attention ...and flowers every year without a problem  8)
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Post by: cohan on May 25, 2010, 06:56:14 PM
great show, hans!
so many rebutia! and lots of echinopsis, lobivia? lots of colour :)
i'm going to share this page with my c+s group, they will love to see your greenhouse..
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Post by: angie on May 25, 2010, 07:07:35 PM
Hans that's an amazing amount of colour, it must take you ages looking at all the flowers. I to was thinking is there anything that you don't have.
Angie :)
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Post by: Hans J on May 25, 2010, 07:27:23 PM
Hi Angie + Cohan ,

  ::) yes ....I'm really crazy !

My collection are mostly Lobivia , Rebutia, Aylostera ,Echinosis, Acanthocalycium.....

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Post by: cohan on May 25, 2010, 08:00:48 PM
Hi Angie + Cohan ,

  ::) yes ....I'm really crazy !

My collection are mostly Lobivia , Rebutia, Aylostera ,Echinosis, Acanthocalycium.....



well, you picked the right ones for flower power :)
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Post by: Alberto on May 25, 2010, 08:09:31 PM

  ::) yes ....I'm really crazy !



Hans I do not understand when you say you have not room for a small Tillandsia recurvata, in its natural environment growing attached to the cacti. I think I'll take  a piece for you! ;D ;D ;D
Alberto
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on May 25, 2010, 08:13:36 PM
Alberto ,

the room for Tillandsia is no problem ....but this plants are for me weed ( same like Dyckia,Hechtia.....)
and please look for the nice flowers of cacti  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Alberto on May 25, 2010, 08:18:29 PM
Hans I have Tillandsia xiphiodes flowering now and its fragrance is in the air when you pass by it! Definitely I'll took a piece of T. recurvata for you. I have seen that seedlings of the Tillandsia are growing among the prickles of my Nyctocereus serpentinus and Aporocactus: like in the wild! :D
Alberto
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on May 25, 2010, 08:20:35 PM
 :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Alberto on May 25, 2010, 08:22:10 PM
:-X :-X :-X
I am really glad you are without words!  ;D ;D ;D
Alberto
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on May 25, 2010, 08:23:26 PM
Talking is Silver ....silence is Gold  ;D
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Carlo on May 25, 2010, 08:23:46 PM
Point of order: There is ALWAYS room for more Tillandsias! I grow many (but not as many as I'd like...), and have great success just laying them around the growing area--no pots, no soil/potting mix--nothing.

Three or four species are blooming under lights as we speak. Most are smaller plants but several are approaching the size of small shrubs. Can't possibly get enough of them!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Alberto on May 25, 2010, 08:28:57 PM
Point of order: There is ALWAYS room for more Tillandsias!
Carlo I am completely agree with you! a few are really striking and they come from  so different zones that there is always one for everybody! One also for Hans!

Alberto
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on May 25, 2010, 10:17:48 PM
Got this Disophyllum "Frühlingserwachen" as a present from a friend.
Enjoy!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on May 25, 2010, 10:28:08 PM
Disophyllum "Frühlingserwachen" ..... never saw it before.... what great colours  :)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 16, 2010, 11:52:58 PM
It's YOUR fault! Yes it is, all of you. I had not the slightest intention of trying to grow cacti but having been following this thread with its beautiful pictures, it was inevitable yesterday when I walked into the supermarket and found these little babies in the plant section, I would succumb to temptation. ::)

They are all tiny plants (the pots are just 4cms across) and there are no labels, so can someone give me names for any or all of them please? There were maybe 15 different species, all just a couple or 3 plants of each so I may make a return trip today.

Next, I'll need some cultivation tips please. Three already have roots out the bottoms of the pots. Would they be OK on my kitchen windowsill? It gets sun in the morning and the room is generally warm, with a bit of humidity in the evening when I'm cooking, but generally, well aired. Thanks.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 17, 2010, 01:15:32 AM
It's YOUR fault! Yes it is, all of you. I had not the slightest intention of trying to grow cacti but having been following this thread with its beautiful pictures, it was inevitable yesterday when I walked into the supermarket and found these little babies in the plant section, I would succumb to temptation. ::)

They are all tiny plants (the pots are just 4cms across) and there are no labels, so can someone give me names for any or all of them please? There were maybe 15 different species, all just a couple or 3 plants of each so I may make a return trip today.

Next, I'll need some cultivation tips please. Three already have roots out the bottoms of the pots. Would they be OK on my kitchen windowsill? It gets sun in the morning and the room is generally warm, with a bit of humidity in the evening when I'm cooking, but generally, well aired. Thanks.



congratulations! these all look very nice grown;
as for your kitchen window, it depends--in the north, we usually aim for a south or west facing window, unobstructed, and right next to the window, for the high light demanding c+s, which i'd say these all look to be--so that means direct midday sun or afternoon sun, usually; morning only light is usually not as strong, and not enough for many plants..but it does depend on other factors, such as size of window, and what is outside it--something that absorbs or blocks light vs something that reflects it. also, how far from the equator you are, naturally, the stronger your sun is to start with, the fewer hours they plants will need....
also--you are heading into winter now? so these will want little to no water now until spring..most are probably fine in those pots, depending on the quality of the soil and how often you tend to water (in the growing season) if you were to repot now, you still wouldnt water....
i've made another version of your photo, with numbers beside each plant, to make it clearer who is naming what..
to start off, i will say that number 7, in the centre, looks like Mammillaria hahniana, maybe ssp woodsii number two looks like Notocactus (some have put all notos into Parodia, but i don't follow that) scopa(a really variable species, some forms have names, but not sure of their validity) number 4 also looks like Mammillaria, but its hard to say without closer view; no doubt others will be more sure, if some of our cactus growers stop by :) i also posted it at my c+s group for more input
some of the others i have ideas, but best to wait to be more sure...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 17, 2010, 03:16:59 AM
lesley--some more suggestions--from brasil!

Hi Cohan!
1-Parodia chrysacanthion
6-Sulcorebutia mentosa (maybe)
7-Mammillaria hahniana (maybe)
4-Rebutia muscula or Aylostera albipilosa
 
Cheers,
           Helton
Sorocaba-SP-Brasil
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 17, 2010, 06:10:24 AM
Thanks very much Cohan and ?Helton? I certainly didn't expect an answer from Brazil. ;D

Yes, we are just about at mid winter - shortest day this coming Monday.
My kitchen faces east and gets as much sun as in the sky, through one of those sort of box-like, hothouse windows. I can't wash the dishes at the window sink when the sun is there, it's too hot! So summer gets sun until about mid afternoon and for all the morning at this time of year.

From the equator? We are about 60kms (as the crow flies) south of the 45th parallel. Halfway between the equator and the south pole.

Thanks for the name suggestions. I may take closer pics of individuals later.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 17, 2010, 07:23:54 AM
Thanks very much Cohan and ?Helton? I certainly didn't expect an answer from Brazil. ;D

Yes, we are just about at mid winter - shortest day this coming Monday.
My kitchen faces east and gets as much sun as in the sky, through one of those sort of box-like, hothouse windows. I can't wash the dishes at the window sink when the sun is there, it's too hot! So summer gets sun until about mid afternoon and for all the morning at this time of year.

From the equator? We are about 60kms (as the crow flies) south of the 45th parallel. Halfway between the equator and the south pole.

Thanks for the name suggestions. I may take closer pics of individuals later.
sounds like your kitchen window is probably very good for these plants :) winter sun is of course less crucial for most cacti which are summer growers mostly, or spring and fall if summer is very hot..
you can also google any of the names given, to look for photos to compare your plants to--just keeping in mind they could be variable taxa..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on June 17, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
I'm intrigued to see that Lesley has been  won over and has offered  to adopt these  spiky babies  ;D

Fantastic example of cross group co-operation from cohan and Heldon in their advice.... thanks, Folks, for your friendly help!  :-* :-*
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 17, 2010, 09:44:31 PM
It's great, isn't it Maggi? Only person unhappy in this whole affair was the supermarket lad at the checkout, who got his fingers spiked a couple of times. (I did warn him to handle them carefully, well down on the pots.)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 18, 2010, 03:32:37 AM
some more input, from nebraska, this time:

  My guess, I think Helton may be right on 1, 4, 6 & 7, at first I thought
wrong on Rebutia/Lobivia mentosa, all I've had are more red spined, but
they do come in a black spine too.  Two looks like my Notocactus
erubescens and it came from WalMart too.  #3 could be an Escobaria, does
look similar to many, but I was thinking of some way out hybrid with
Mammillaria carmenae, #5 sure looks like about half the Mammillaria
compressa I have, the spines can be variable and they are common.  I hope
this helps some.
God Bless and Good Growing,
Dan Rhoads - Lincoln, NE - USDA Zone 5b
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on June 18, 2010, 09:48:19 PM
Now flowering with me:
Rechsteineria is a Gesneriad of tropical origin. It needs a frost-free shelter in winter but enjoys
a place in full sun without cover, the caudex can grow to an impressive size.
I place the Escobarias from October to March in the unheated Alpine House without any watering
and the rest of the year in a frame in full sun without cover.

Rechsteineria leucotricha.jpg
003.jpg
Escobaria organensis.jpg
Escobaria sneedii.jpg
011.jpg
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on June 18, 2010, 10:01:58 PM
You always show us interesting plants, Rudi, thank you.
I look at that first photo of Rechsteineria leucotricha and I marvel at the way the growth comes from the caudex.... in the second photo, I see a red-nosed furry ant-eater!  ;)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 19, 2010, 06:37:38 AM
Now flowering with me:
Rechsteineria is a Gesneriad of tropical origin. It needs a frost-free shelter in winter but enjoys
a place in full sun without cover, the caudex can grow to an impressive size.
I place the Escobarias from October to March in the unheated Alpine House without any watering
and the rest of the year in a frame in full sun without cover.

Rechsteineria leucotricha.jpg
003.jpg
Escobaria organensis.jpg
Escobaria sneedii.jpg
011.jpg

nicely grown!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Rogan on June 21, 2010, 08:06:42 AM
Conan will enjoy this little succulent: Conophytum saxetanum from Namibia.

In its native habitat it often "clothes" the rocks in domed mats surviving entirely on moisture-laden fog from the cold ocean. I collected my plant 20 years ago near the seaside town of Luderitz where it is common.

My plant is in full bloom at the moment with each bloom measuring no more than 4mm (3/16") in diameter - a real beauty  ;)  At night it emits a sweet, pungent odour that can be detected from quite a distance away - I wonder what pollinates it?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: iann on June 22, 2010, 09:10:55 PM
I know what you mean by pungent odour!  Do you have C. quaesitum?  Smelly socks ;D
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: iann on June 22, 2010, 09:38:01 PM
Back to Lesley's cacti.  #3 may be Mammillaria elongata.  I'm not sure how big it is.  Escobarias mostly have white spines.  #5 may also be a Mammillaria if it is a really small plant, something like M. magnimamma.

I have to bring up the subject of soil.  I don't know where you got them, but little factory-raised cacti in Europe are usually sold in a soil guaranteed to kill them within a year.  You probably know a thing or two about making good soil, but a good cactus soil is slightly different to a good alpine soil.  Good drainage is important, but because cacti are drenched and then allowed to dry out completely, their soil is slightly different.  It can actually be quite dense, although you don't want soggy.  You won't go far wrong if you just make it free draining.

I have to add a topical photo :)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 24, 2010, 01:21:49 AM
Conan will enjoy this little succulent: Conophytum saxetanum from Namibia.

In its native habitat it often "clothes" the rocks in domed mats surviving entirely on moisture-laden fog from the cold ocean. I collected my plant 20 years ago near the seaside town of Luderitz where it is common.

My plant is in full bloom at the moment with each bloom measuring no more than 4mm (3/16") in diameter - a real beauty  ;)  At night it emits a sweet, pungent odour that can be detected from quite a distance away - I wonder what pollinates it?

just a lucky guess, i do like it :) conos are high on my list to get some seed and try, and i esp like those with tiny bodies and actively clustering..would be great to see in habitat on the rocks..
interesting about the smell.... most night bloomers i know of are sweet scented..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 24, 2010, 01:25:26 AM

I have to add a topical photo :)


nice one..i don't have enough of these little mexican sp.. and don't think i will be attempting many from seed since they sound so slow...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: christian pfalz on June 24, 2010, 02:53:22 PM
hi, today in bloom...opuntia engelmannii, echinocereus triglochidiathus...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild009-60.jpg?t=1277387548)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild010-58.jpg?t=1277387568)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild002-68.jpg?t=1277387590)
cheers
chris
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: iann on June 25, 2010, 09:53:35 PM
Quote
don't think i will be attempting many from seed since they sound so slow
There's slow and there's slow.  The two big ones are Strombocactus disciformis at one year old.  Over 1 cm and could be bigger if they'd been kept under lights all summer.  The small ones are the red flowered ssp esperanzae, much slower.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: JPB on June 26, 2010, 09:04:54 AM
Hoodia gordonii (left) and Hoodia spec. (right; H. flava or hybrid?)
Conophytum wettsteinii ssp. wettsteinii
Conophytum obcordellum var. ceresianum (delicious perfume in the evening/night!)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: angie on June 26, 2010, 10:09:48 PM
Lovely Hoodia...I have given up trying to grow this lovely plant four attempts now.
Nice to see someone else growing it and getting it to flower, don't know what i did wrong.

Angie :)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 27, 2010, 05:34:38 AM
Quote
don't think i will be attempting many from seed since they sound so slow
There's slow and there's slow.  The two big ones are Strombocactus disciformis at one year old.  Over 1 cm and could be bigger if they'd been kept under lights all summer.  The small ones are the red flowered ssp esperanzae, much slower.


as a long time cactus grower, 1cm at a year is not that slow to me  ;D not as bad as some of the others then..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 27, 2010, 05:36:08 AM
Hoodia gordonii (left) and Hoodia spec. (right; H. flava or hybrid?)
Conophytum wettsteinii ssp. wettsteinii
Conophytum obcordellum var. ceresianum (delicious perfume in the evening/night!)

nice! i hadn't seen the yellow hoodia before...
love the conos...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: christian pfalz on June 30, 2010, 03:06:18 PM
hi, especially for cohan my friend...agave snapshots here agve neomexicana
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild011-55.jpg?t=1277906745)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild014-39.jpg?t=1277906764)
opuntia engelmannii
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild003-89.jpg?t=1277906635)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild021-16.jpg?t=1277906661)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild004-88.jpg?t=1277906682)
opuntia azurea flower detail....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild018-28.jpg?t=1277906602)
kind regards
chris
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Michael J Campbell on June 30, 2010, 09:36:46 PM
In bloom a few days ago.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on June 30, 2010, 09:40:47 PM
Very wedding cake Michael. What is it please?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Michael J Campbell on June 30, 2010, 09:49:54 PM
I have no idea Lesley, lost the label years ago, probably Echinopsis arebaloi or something like that.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on July 01, 2010, 07:27:31 AM
thanks chris  ;D gorgeous agave!

michael--that's a really classic flower, good show!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on July 04, 2010, 10:14:53 PM
Some flowers from the succulent section, the Epiphyllums flower profusely, but only for a short time,
due to the hot weather.
Pterocactus tuberosus is fully hardy with me.
Pardon for the poor picture of Escobaria leei, but the flower is really big for this small body.
Note these enormous flowers at the Echidnopsis.
Cissus tuberosus forms an enormous caudex in a relatively short time.
Error:The Cissus at the picture is of course Cissus tuberosa and not C.tomentosa!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on July 05, 2010, 12:04:34 AM
nice ones, rudi..
does the cissus still increase in the small pot? mine doesn't seem to be  doing much.. it might want more heat and water in summer..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on July 05, 2010, 09:15:01 PM
Cohan, thank you for the friendly reply. I cultivate the Cissus without any glass protecion in the garden from may to
october and keep it totally dry during winter in a relatively dark and cool room. When the new leaves appear, it gets
a regular liquid feeding. Dr. Urs Eggli recommends a regular pruning in his book about succulents to support the
growth of the tuber.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: mark smyth on July 05, 2010, 10:37:25 PM
One problem with Epiphyllums is the amount of nectar that can be produced
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on July 05, 2010, 10:44:46 PM
One problem with Epiphyllums is the amount of nectar that can be produced
I remember that from my Mum's plants.... I used to check them several times a day and lick the nectar off my finger..... I'm still here so it doesn't seem to be in any way harmful! and it was deliciously sweet. 
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 05, 2010, 10:49:54 PM
But a damn nuisance when you flick the feather duster around and it gets caught as if in honey. >:(
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: iann on July 06, 2010, 12:02:39 AM
I never thought of it as a dusting problem.  Maybe I don't dust my plants often enough!  It is a pain when it grows sooty mould though :(
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: FrazerHenderson on July 10, 2010, 10:03:20 PM
cacti
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on July 11, 2010, 12:09:05 AM
cacti
great plants and colours! i stay away from all of these monster sized species...lol
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 14, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
A few today.

1 Lithops.
2-3 Melocactus.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Roma on July 14, 2010, 09:16:42 PM
My only Epiphyllum flowered last week.  I don't remember it's name.  It is either a species or an early hybrid with a species type name ? cooperi perhaps?
Heliocereus flowered this week.  The flower lasted almost two days. 
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 14, 2010, 09:30:57 PM
Two caudiciforms that are flowering now : Pachypodium bispinosum and Ipomoea holubii
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 14, 2010, 11:45:01 PM
When grafts are put on cacti why are they those bright colours instead of green? and do the grafted parts flower at some stage?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 14, 2010, 11:50:35 PM
cacti

Great redhead. Who needs a blonde or a brunette? :D

The white epiphyllums are very beautiful.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: johnw on July 15, 2010, 01:14:25 AM
When grafts are put on cacti why are they those bright colours instead of green? and do the grafted parts flower at some stage?

Lesley  - These are usually aberrant offsets that can only exist whilst still attached to the mother plant for sustenance.  I think it was the Japanese who first started grafting them on Epiphyllum for sale about 40+ years ago. Some wild yellows, oranges and reds but I can't recall any ever flowering but they surely must have the potential.

johnw
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 15, 2010, 05:05:22 AM
I don't really like them. They seem like some sort of un-natural carbuncle type of growth, such as a bad boil on the neck of a person. Doubtless many will disagree with me though. ::)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on July 15, 2010, 12:56:57 PM
Quote
Great redhead. Who needs a blonde or a brunette?
Funnily enough that's what I often tell Ian...... ;)

Maggi the Redhead!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on July 16, 2010, 08:45:52 AM
knows maybe here anybody the name of this plant ?

The owner of the nursery told me it is a Portulaca ....but I'm not shure
Could it be a Crassula ?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Gerdk on July 16, 2010, 01:11:25 PM
The owner of the nursery told me it is a Portulaca ....but I'm not shure
Could it be a Crassula ?

Hans, believe in the nursery man!  :)

Gerd
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on July 16, 2010, 01:20:32 PM
Gerd - it exist a Crassula portulacea ....

It is not P. grandiflora !!! the leaves are very different...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on July 16, 2010, 03:12:14 PM
- it exist a Crassula portulacea ....



 But that plant is not your plant, Hans... the leaves are very different... ;)
Crassula portulacea has much larger leaves held in a different way and makes a shape like a little tree.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on July 16, 2010, 03:17:50 PM
Thank you Maggi - I dont know this plant ...I found only the name
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on July 16, 2010, 03:24:27 PM
Thank you Maggi - I dont know this plant ...I found only the name
Happy to help, Hans.... I grew this plant for many years... it was one of the first plants I ever had that was "mine" when I was a little girl! It never flowered, even when the plant was nearly 100cms high and wide!  :-X
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on July 16, 2010, 03:33:10 PM
Maggi - now I believe what you mean  :D

We call this plant : Geldbaum ( money tree ) -a lot of people have it inside the house

Before some weeks I saw a gardening report ...this plant has white flowers !
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: iann on July 16, 2010, 09:11:13 PM
Portulaca oleracea, a widespread weed in warm parts of the world.  The wild plant has smaller yellow flowers, but there are many cultivated forms with larger flowers and better colours like yours.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on July 16, 2010, 09:18:17 PM
Thank you Iann !

I know it ....anybody knows this plants !
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on July 18, 2010, 12:10:18 PM
Portulacas in varous colours - but I don't know which species originally - are grown here as bedding plants.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on July 19, 2010, 07:40:51 AM
here a other nice plant :

Borzicactus spec.

received as Hildewintera  ::)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on July 23, 2010, 07:58:48 AM
When grafts are put on cacti why are they those bright colours instead of green? and do the grafted parts flower at some stage?

as john has said, these are chlorophyll free, to low chlorophyll mutuations, some of which cannot survive without grafting, others that would grow more slowly, and since those monstrosities sell quite well, some normal plants are grafted just to expand the line!
certainly some of them can and do flower, i have seen some oddly coloured Gymnocalycium grafts flowering--but there are some natural species in this genus which can be quite red or purple, i don't recall whether i have seen any of the totally chlrophyll free forms flowering..

hans, glad you found a name--those are definitely portulaca flowers (wow!), very different from crassula :)
the borzicactus is very nice too, by any name--those seem to have been moved about a lot!
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Post by: Lesley Cox on July 24, 2010, 10:13:19 PM
John and Cohan, thanks for those explanations. I can't say I like the grafted onesvery much but each to his own of course.

Of my tiny babies shown further back a couple are making new babies round their sides and one has what I hope may be two buds sprouting from the top. A bit soon to tell yet.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 25, 2010, 08:37:43 PM
Flowering today :

Echinocereus bristolii subsp. floresii
Escobaria hesteri
Thelocactus hexaedrophorus
Gymnocactus viereckii
Coryphantha garesii
Coryphantha sulcata
Mammillaria microcarpa
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: iann on July 25, 2010, 10:12:43 PM
Here's an actual fat plant.  Avonia quinaria ssp alstonii has a true caudex although it is tiny.  The flowers opened in succession this year so never a spectacular display.  They only open for a few hours on one evening.
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Post by: Ragged Robin on July 29, 2010, 11:50:09 AM
It may be fleeting and tiny but Oh what a pretty slim flower on your fat plant Iann  8)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on July 31, 2010, 01:27:10 AM
kris--great plants, all nicely grown..
iann--those are plants i've long admired, though not grown yet..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on August 03, 2010, 08:34:32 PM
kris--great plants, all nicely grown..

Thanks Cohan .This was my first hobby , I started to grow my first cacti in 1984 .
I hope you like also the next ones.
Mammillaria guelzowiana
Bartschella schumanii
Thelocactus bicolor  
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Post by: KentGardener on August 04, 2010, 02:52:26 PM
I went to visit some people from my old BCSS group a couple of weeks ago - some random photographs of things that attracted my attention:

1 - Echinocereus Brandegii
2 - Dudleya Britonii
3 - Notocactus scopa v Ramosus
4 - Mammilaria schiedeana v plumosa
5 - Maihuenopsis clavaroides
6 - Euphorbia
7 - Euphorbia
8 - Euphorbia
9 - Hoodia gorgonii (god did it stink!)
10 - And not a photo taken on that day, but copied from a wonderful work that I was given on computer disk that Chris Moore wrote on Brachystelma, Ceropegia and Stapeliads before he died (if anyone is interested in these please get in touch),  Stapelianthus madagascariensis.
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Post by: Ragged Robin on August 04, 2010, 03:31:13 PM
Intriguing plants John, Notocactus scopa v Ramosus is a fantastic - like an alien landscape  8)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on August 04, 2010, 05:07:23 PM
I went to visit some people from my old BCSS group a couple of weeks ago - some random photographs of things that attracted my attention:
7 - Euphorbia

Good plants John ,picture 7 is not Euphorbia but this is Alluaudia montagnacei from Madagascar.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on August 04, 2010, 07:31:27 PM
more beauties, kris, and beautiful shots--the Bartschella is my favourite of these, really like the little fat glaucous body;

john--those are all great specimens! definitely interested in those genera--you have the articles available, is that what you mean?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: KentGardener on August 05, 2010, 04:50:39 AM
Hi Cohan

I have replied to you with more detail as a PM.

Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: iann on August 05, 2010, 03:53:19 PM
A different sort of fat plant.  Fat roots and even fatter bodies :)  Three kinds of Lophophora.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Gerdk on August 07, 2010, 07:06:22 PM
Iann, a nice flowering Lophophora - is No. 2 'williamsii' also?

On this occasion I add a pic of Conophytum pellucidum - one of my few fat indoors plants.

Gerd
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Post by: iann on August 07, 2010, 10:23:10 PM
#2 grew in a batch of L. williamsii seedlings but appears instead to be L. fricii.  The body and flowers are quite distinct from its L. williamsii siblings.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on August 07, 2010, 11:01:51 PM

On this occasion I add a pic of Conophytum pellucidum - one of my few fat indoors plants.

Gerd

very nice! if you aren't going to have many, this is a good one to have! maybe this will be the year i start some conos from seed....
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: iann on August 08, 2010, 09:31:55 PM
I know people who have more plants of C. pellucidum than I have of all Conophytums put together ::)

It isn't flowering now, is it?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Gerdk on August 09, 2010, 06:34:52 AM
I know people who have more plants of C. pellucidum than I have of all Conophytums put together ::)

It isn't flowering now, is it?

Ian,
Yes, it flowers now indeed! Don't know why so early - perhaps because of a very hot summer here followed by a wetter periode now.

Gerd
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Post by: shelagh on September 05, 2010, 02:51:08 PM
This isn't a thread I visit very often but today I needed to identify a plant found at the local garden centre this morning.  I thought it was a Cotyledon and on my Google search I came accross the Nikitskiy Botanical Garden in Yalta, it has a wonderful collection of photos by a young man named Peter Lapshin.  If you are interested in what claims to be the oldest Botanic Garden then I think you will enjoy it.  Sorry if I'm preaching to the converted but it was new to me.

Oh by the way the plant is Cotyledon undulata.
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Post by: Maggi Young on September 05, 2010, 05:54:12 PM
Interesting place, Shelagh....new to me too.....
"The Nikitskiy Botanical Gardens - one of the oldest botanical gardens of the world, was founded in 1812.
This Botanical Gardens placed near Yalta town on the Crimea peninsula at the Black Sea, Ukraine
This garden has one of the largest in Europe herbarium, the oldest library in Crimea and a scientific museum. The collections of the Nikita Botanical Gardens include more than 50 thousand species, forms, sorts and hybrids of plants from many countries of the world. Its total area is 1100 hectares. There are 12 scientific departments in the structure of the Botanical garden. "

............here are two  links:
http://www.lapshin.org/nikita/index.htm


http://www.lapshin.org/nikita/list.htm
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: shelagh on September 05, 2010, 10:26:16 PM
Thanks Maggi, I wasn't sure how to do the links.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: pel1 on September 07, 2010, 05:43:39 PM
Hi,
Does anyone out there collect Tylecodons? If so I am keen to exchange cuttings, the species I already grow are ;

Bleckiae “Rosh Pinah ISI 1778”
Bodlyae “DT3623 Aucrabies”
Bucholzianus “Lau16706 Schasberg, Namibia”
Fragilis “Stanfontein”
Hirtifolius
Hirtifolius x Striatus
Paniculatus
Paniculatus “TS858a S.Steincopf”
Pygmaeus
Schaeferianus
Singularis
Striatus
Torulosus “SV54758 Pretoria BG”
Viridiflorus
Walichii


Any species not on my list would be welcome!

many thanks,
James
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever: Tylecodon search
Post by: Maggi Young on September 07, 2010, 05:55:37 PM
Can't help you with the Tylecodon search , James, but for anyone else intriqued by these plants, this may be helpful :

    Cotyledon and Tylecodon
      by Ernst van Jaarsveld and Daryl Koutnik, is the first account to cover these closely related genera. Each species is described and illustrated with watercolour paintings and habitat photographs. The book covers their adaptation to arid environments, distribution, cultivation and ethnic uses, a historical review of botanical exploration and keys to simplify identification. Published by Umdaus Press, Pretoria (2004), 152 pages, hardcover ISBN: 1919766324.


 Some choices from AbeBooks:
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?bt.x=24&bt.y=13&isbn=1919766324&sts=t
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on September 07, 2010, 08:00:46 PM
shelagh--i'm not sure if i have read about that garden, but i have looked at peter lapshin's photos, they are good references for several genera, such as succulent senecio...

maggi--i borrowed that book from the toronto c+s club, a nice one indeed!

james--i only have one tylecodon, which i lost the name of almost as soon as i got it..it just sort of survives, but i think its because i have it in terracotta, which i just cannot water enough for any plant.. your viridiflorus is lovely..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 07, 2010, 08:39:44 PM
In autumn my Lithops-species are at there best !
They get only 4 or 5 times water in one year.In wintertime I keep them bonedry and so temperature could kept between 0 and 5 °C.

Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on September 07, 2010, 09:29:17 PM
In autumn my Lithops-species are at their best !
They get only 4 or 5 times water in one year.In wintertime I keep them bonedry and so temperature could kept between 0 and 5 °C.



 That is a great series of photos, Kris. I love these sunny flowers. :)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: angie on September 07, 2010, 10:10:44 PM
I don't know how many Lithops that I have killed :-X wish I could grow them.

Angie :)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on September 07, 2010, 10:18:08 PM
I don't know how many Lithops that I have killed :-X wish I could grow them.

Angie :)


 Probably over-watered them, Angie.... that's how I killed mine, thirty years ago.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 08, 2010, 09:46:23 PM
I don't know how many Lithops that I have killed :-X wish I could grow them.
Angie :)

They need a very sunny position in a greenhouse Angie (no shading ). Mine are getting water once a month  in may ,june,july,august and september.
So only five times in a year ! In wintertime as I say  bonedry  ! Under this conditions they are quite easy !
The ones from the picture are selfsown.

From the same family ,this Conophytum   
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on September 08, 2010, 10:35:31 PM
I don't know how many Lithops that I have killed :-X wish I could grow them.

Angie :)


 Probably over-watered them, Angie.... that's how I killed mine, thirty years ago.

and/or water at the wrong time; with this family (aizoaceae) you need to study the dormancy requirements for each genus or species--in some cases they are very particular, and it can vary depending on your light and temperatures..

btw--great lithops, kris! are those in a big pot, or....?
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Post by: Lesley Cox on September 08, 2010, 11:12:04 PM
I don't know how many Lithops that I have killed :-X wish I could grow them.

Angie :)


 Probably over-watered them, Angie.... that's how I killed mine, thirty years ago.

Me too, only substitute sixty for thirty. ???
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on September 09, 2010, 12:05:58 AM
a couple of no name haworthias; these change colours a lot over the year, as light and water conditions change--mine are watered (indoors) mainly late winter through mid summer, then a 4-6week break, then watered sept till nov or so; they colour esp in the dry periods..
first the same plant at three different times
1-just recently, awaiting its fall watering..
2-in march, in intermediate state
3-last year in full growth
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on September 09, 2010, 05:05:33 AM
another Haworthia, goes nearly brick red during times when not watered..

note: not simple negligence, periods of dormancy are supposed to be important for long term health of haws, as with many c+s and other plants..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on September 09, 2010, 05:17:40 AM
something different, one of the fewer Echeveria species that does well indoors, not even needing the brightest spot next to the window to maintain its shape..
however, while it looks good, this plant has not done much for me over several years...perhaps it needs more water at some season...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: angie on September 09, 2010, 08:08:27 AM
I don't know how many Lithops that I have killed :-X wish I could grow them.

Angie :)


 Probably over-watered them, Angie.... that's how I killed mine, thirty years ago.
Me too, only substitute sixty for thirty. ???
Well Lesley I don't feel so bad now . I just think these Lithops are so cute but I have given up with them now, but at least with this forum I can still enjoy them. Well done to everyone that can keep them alive.

Angie :)

Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 09, 2010, 09:44:24 PM

btw--great lithops, kris! are those in a big pot, or....?

Thank you Cohan .In black  trays (45 x 45 x 8 cm ).
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 09, 2010, 09:48:21 PM
Today in flower in my greenhouse : the "desertrose" - Adenium obesum .
A splendid caudiciform.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on September 10, 2010, 08:25:56 AM

btw--great lithops, kris! are those in a big pot, or....?

Thank you Cohan .In black  trays (45 x 45 x 8 cm ).

interesting! like the sort of trays usually put under pots? but i think just a little bit deeper than average (i think mine are less...) and i guess they must be stronger too?
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Post by: iann on September 16, 2010, 10:26:19 PM
Nice Lithops!  Nice C. pellucidum too ;)

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Post by: cohan on September 16, 2010, 11:54:16 PM
nice, iann--esp like the colours on the last two!
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 05, 2010, 06:18:46 PM
In South Africa they flower in spring but here they flower in autumn.They are now at is best .
Here again a picture from a part of my Lithops-collection ...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on October 05, 2010, 07:43:06 PM
fantastic, kris!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Rogan on October 06, 2010, 08:30:59 AM
No Kris, here they flower in the autumn as well (March - April). Lovely little plants and flowers, they always seem to do better in the northern hemisphere than they do here in the south, or is that just because you are better growers?   ;)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Darren on October 06, 2010, 11:04:20 AM
Kris may be a better grower Rogan but I can assure you that being in the northern hemisphere is no guarantee! I grow Conophytum quite well but can't grow Lithops at all.  :(
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 06, 2010, 06:50:32 PM
No Kris, here they flower in the autumn as well (March - April). Lovely little plants and flowers, they always seem to do better in the northern hemisphere than they do here in the south, or is that just because you are better growers?   ;)

Thanks Cohan ,the same black trays ...

Rogan , I  have myself wrong expressed . Offcourse they flower in the autumn in your country ,but I want to say that it is spring at that time in our northern hemisphere.

Darren ,Rogan , Lithops are for me the most easy plants.They only get for times (maximum 5 times) water each year,never get any feed.
Repotting is getting place only once in 10/15 years. I keep them in my very light and sunny greenhouse (no shading).In our winter I try to keep the frost out of the greenhouse.Temperature around 0° C and sometimes light frost.During that time I keep them bonedry.They never get water before they get a new skin (first watering around june )In summertime the temperature in my greenhouse sometimes reach 50° C. With good ventilation this cause no problems.Most of my plants, I raised from seed wich I obtain from Professor Cole many years ago. He collected seeds in South Africa.
Here I have more problems with Conophytum wich I have to keep in small pots and even then it is not easy for me.       
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 06, 2010, 06:56:47 PM
Cohan,Darren and Rogan maybe you also like this plants? 

First two pictures , Lapidaria margarethae
Picture 3 & 4 ,Conophytum.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on October 06, 2010, 10:59:17 PM
Cohan,Darren and Rogan maybe you also like this plants? 

First two pictures , Lapidaria margarethae
Picture 3 & 4 ,Conophytum.

of course we do :) lapidaria is sometimes available in mainstream garden centres, as are (badly overfed/overwatered) lithops...i have never seen a cono though....
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Darren on October 07, 2010, 08:17:01 AM
I do indeed like the lapidaria Kris. It is a very well grown plant too - as Cohan says.

Thank you for describing your growing conditions too. I have a theory that I can grow the winter growing Mesembs (including argyroderma and other highly succulent genera) quite well because the winter atmosphere in my greenhouse is very damp (it leaks at the ridge too). Whilst none of the drips touch the plants the atmosphere is often quite wet all winter. Fine for the conos but I wonder if this prevents the lithops from absorbing their old leaves properly?  That said - I know other growers in NW England who have no problems. Otherwise my growing conditions are very similar to yours except I do apply a little shading in april/may to prevent the conos scorching and the bulbs from going dormant too soon.

I would really like to solve this problem as I keep looking at the Hammer book wistfully! I've also had some advice from growers on the BCSS forum and I now have some smalll seedlings to experiment with.

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Post by: Rogan on October 07, 2010, 08:35:06 AM
Kris, your plants are fantastic - a real master!   8)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 07, 2010, 07:26:55 PM
Thank you Cohan ,Darren and Rogan for your nice comments .

Thank you for describing your growing conditions too. I have a theory that I can grow the winter growing Mesembs (including argyroderma and other highly succulent genera) quite well because the winter atmosphere in my greenhouse is very damp (it leaks at the ridge too). Whilst none of the drips touch the plants the atmosphere is often quite wet all winter. Fine for the conos but I wonder if this prevents the lithops from absorbing their old leaves properly?


Darren , I suppose this might be a reason for some problems you have with cultivation of Lithops.
Reading your growingconditions let me understand much better what is my problem regarding  growing Cono's and relatives .
Altough I have better results in the past years with Cono's .I think due the fact I give more and later water.And your theory is a perfect confirmation Darren ! 
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Post by: Darren on October 08, 2010, 08:17:30 AM
Hi Kris,

One of the reasons I grow so many conos is that they can have almost the same watering regime as my bulbs so it is easy to remember :)

They get a complete summer dormancy (april until late july/early August). Then a good watering in august to wake them up. After this I do not let them get completely dry again until the following april. At this time of year (september to november) they get watered every two weeks - more in a sunny autumn. I let them get a drier in december to february. March and early april I water them again before stopping completely in late April.  They are all housed in 6 or 7.5 cm plastic pots which do dry out quickly. Some species make useful indicator plants as they wrinkle a little when dry at the roots - then I know to water the whole lot. I do find that conos like a lot more water than most succulents. There are exceptions - the real xerophytes like the Opthalmophyllums and C maughanii, C ratum etc easily get bloated and 'stack' if they get too much water. My guess is you would find these the easier conos in your conditions?

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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 08, 2010, 08:05:47 PM
Hi Kris,
One of the reasons I grow so many conos is that they can have almost the same watering regime as my bulbs so it is easy to remember :)
They get a complete summer dormancy (april until late july/early August). Then a good watering in august to wake them up. After this I do not let them get completely dry again until the following april. At this time of year (september to november) they get watered every two weeks - more in a sunny autumn. I let them get a drier in december to february. March and early april I water them again before stopping completely in late April.  They are all housed in 6 or 7.5 cm plastic pots which do dry out quickly. Some species make useful indicator plants as they wrinkle a little when dry at the roots - then I know to water the whole lot. I do find that conos like a lot more water than most succulents. There are exceptions - the real xerophytes like the Opthalmophyllums and C maughanii, C ratum etc easily get bloated and 'stack' if they get too much water. My guess is you would find these the easier conos in your conditions?

Many thanks Darren .This is very usefull .This is the main  reason to be on this forum 8) I think I must water my Conos a bit more ,especially in wintertimes..
I used to have Opthalmophyllums but at the moment I have not any....
Here I have a greenhouse and not an alpine house...At the beginning I used it only for cacti ,succulents, mesembs ...Afterwards I became interested in alpines , Cyclamen , other bulbs , orchids ....And now I search a method to grow everything in the same greenhouse.But offcourse I am a little bit to demanding...     
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 09, 2010, 08:02:36 PM
A very flat cactus .This one grows very ,very ,very slow.When in flower you even can't find the body of the cactus.
Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus and kotschoubeyanus albiflorus.
I have bot raised this from seed in the late eighties...
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Post by: cohan on October 10, 2010, 05:27:46 AM
A very flat cactus .This one grows very ,very ,very slow.When in flower you even can't find the body of the cactus.
Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus and kotschoubeyanus albiflorus.
I have bot raised this from seed in the late eighties...

i have not seen the albiflorus form, i like it even more than the usual one!
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Post by: Lesley Cox on October 11, 2010, 12:38:31 AM
Kris do you have a picture of the cactus without the flower. It's hard to imagine what it could look like. :D
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 11, 2010, 09:40:50 AM
I'd love to see a photo of a plant, too...... I believe they look a bit like rosulate violas......little pads of leaves, close to the ground.  :-\
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 11, 2010, 05:26:48 PM
Offcourse ladies ,I show you some details of this Ariocarpus.
You must know that they grow with te top of the plant just below the surface on their natural habitat in Mexico.
When not in flower you are not able to find the plants.If grow well in cultivation they also go down into the pot.  
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 11, 2010, 06:43:08 PM
What extraordinary little plants! Great rosettes and beautiful markings.
 
They must be very shy to hide away as they do! ;)

Thanks for these pictures, Kris....most interesting for me and others  who haven't seen these in real life. 
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Post by: Lesley Cox on October 11, 2010, 07:58:37 PM
My warm thanks too Kris. What odd little plants. It must take an extraordinarily sharp eye to spot them in the wild when they live in such a disguised way, especially the first species. Like spotting a four-leafed clover; nothing different really, just a slight break in the usual pattern.
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Post by: cohan on October 13, 2010, 07:11:39 PM
beautiful arios, kris!
for those interested, here is a website on these plants, with some habitat shots:
http://www.living-rocks.com/haibitat.htm
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Post by: ashley on October 13, 2010, 10:05:04 PM
What extraordinary plants.  Are they hard to grow?
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Post by: cohan on October 13, 2010, 10:52:48 PM
What extraordinary plants.  Are they hard to grow?

the same site has a good article on culture, better than i can say  ;D but the short answer is not hard to grow at all, just quite slow (some species more than others-some retusus are no slower than most cacti)..but need of course good light and control of moisture--not an outdoor plant in many areas with climates unlike their native one, though many people do fine with summer outdoors in warm-hot summer areas..

looking forward to hearing kris' regime, which i'm sure will be quite simple...
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Post by: Carlo on October 13, 2010, 10:54:00 PM
Just getting the watering regime down. Lots of light and water at the RIGHT time is all you really need do after potting in a free-draining medium.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 14, 2010, 07:18:42 PM
What extraordinary plants.  Are they hard to grow?
the same site has a good article on culture, better than i can say  ;D but the short answer is not hard to grow at all, just quite slow (some species more than others-some retusus are no slower than most cacti)..but need of course good light and control of moisture--not an outdoor plant in many areas with climates unlike their native one, though many people do fine with summer outdoors in warm-hot summer areas..
looking forward to hearing kris' regime, which i'm sure will be quite simple...

Hi Cohan and Ashley . My regime is maybe quite simple but the Arios don't always seem to like it ... :( This has to do with our unpredictable climate.
Like al the cacti I cultivate (my greenhouse is 6,2 x 4.5 m)they get only 5 or 6 times water each year(once in a month).For the Arios :I start watering in may (for the other genus this is april)and in september I finish watering.The potting compost in our climate has to be very sharp drained.I use 60% bims/10% sand and 30% loam.As Cohan told ,they are very slow growing and it is not possible to hurry them.
I you hurry them , they will get some diseases anyway.
There are few problems in our climate...
E.g. , it is september and it is still good weather so you decide to watering once. But in Belgium our weather changes very quick. Few days later  the weather changes...and sun make place for wet ,cloudy and it became a colder period.In such circumstances we get some huge problems.The potting compost stays wet to long and the roots start to rot.Same can happen in may or even in june.Other problem , when the greenhouse get to warm in summer it is also dangerous to watering.Be carefull with sharp materials in your potting compost.They make huge taproots and sharp stones or grit could damage the taproots. The taproots grow so big that they fil up the whole pot and due the pressure the sharp materials damage this taproots.Repotting must be done very carefully.Damaged taproots could cause some infections.I only repot when the pots start to swallow...But once you understand some of this rules you be rewarded by the very nice flowers.The flowering season here is a bonus to because they are flowering in our autumn (or late summer)  .   
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Post by: ashley on October 14, 2010, 08:26:07 PM
Thanks Cohan, Carlo and Kris.  Yet another temptation :-\ ;D
The problems you describe with changeable weather apply even more so here in SW Ireland Kris, but maybe I'll try a few seeds & see how things go.
Lithops survive and slowly multiply for me in a cold greenhouse but rarely flower.  I'm not sure why but from Kris's description above maybe I water them a bit too often during the growing season.
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Post by: cohan on October 15, 2010, 06:38:06 PM
What extraordinary plants.  Are they hard to grow?


Hi Cohan and Ashley . My regime is maybe quite simple but the Arios don't always seem to like it ... :( This has to do with our unpredictable climate.
Like al the cacti I cultivate (my greenhouse is 6,2 x 4.5 m)they get only 5 or 6 times water each year(once in a month).For the Arios :I start watering in may (for the other genus this is april)and in september I finish watering.The potting compost in our climate has to be very sharp drained.I use 60% bims/10% sand and 30% loam.As Cohan told ,they are very slow growing and it is not possible to hurry them.
I you hurry them , they will get some diseases anyway.
There are few problems in our climate...
E.g. , it is september and it is still good weather so you decide to watering once. But in Belgium our weather changes very quick. Few days later  the weather changes...and sun make place for wet ,cloudy and it became a colder period.In such circumstances we get some huge problems.The potting compost stays wet to long and the roots start to rot.Same can happen in may or even in june.Other problem , when the greenhouse get to warm in summer it is also dangerous to watering.Be carefull with sharp materials in your potting compost.They make huge taproots and sharp stones or grit could damage the taproots. The taproots grow so big that they fil up the whole pot and due the pressure the sharp materials damage this taproots.Repotting must be done very carefully.Damaged taproots could cause some infections.I only repot when the pots start to swallow...But once you understand some of this rules you be rewarded by the very nice flowers.The flowering season here is a bonus to because they are flowering in our autumn (or late summer)  .   

you water your cacti only once a month? are they in big pots? mine probably sometimes get water only monthly, but its definitely not enough for most of them in my conditions (indoors) i know they would like more..i've started watering earlier in the year (march or so) and continuing later into fall --oct-nov since in my current situation, i get more light early and late, and less in midsummer when the sun is high and doesn't shine into the house as much, also, a lot of our rainy (=less sunlight indoors) weather is in june-july..so i water less in midsummer
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 16, 2010, 09:20:14 PM
you water your cacti only once a month? are they in big pots? mine probably sometimes get water only monthly, but its definitely not enough for most of them in my conditions (indoors) i know they would like more..i've started watering earlier in the year (march or so) and continuing later into fall --oct-nov since in my current situation, i get more light early and late, and less in midsummer when the sun is high and doesn't shine into the house as much, also, a lot of our rainy (=less sunlight indoors) weather is in june-july..so i water less in midsummer

Oh yes Cohan ,once a month.The little ones are in smal pots ( diameter 5,5 cm) and bigger plants in flat planttrays (diameter 30-35cm) .
In my greenhouse temperature reaches 50°C in summer.There is no shading at all.The potting compost contains always loam and bims.Both components store water for longer period.The monthly irrigation is really a significant watering.
Much water at once is better than many times a little water. (I suppose this is the way it goes in the desert )
This is my  watering regime since 1984.For me it works well.In march and even in april the nights are to cold for watering .In this months I have to heat the greenhouse sometimes at night .So with this cold nights I keep the plants on the drier side. In march I mist the greenhouse on sunny days and this is a good method for plants to re-start and raise them again to create fine fibrous roots.Because the temperature goes down to 0°c in wintertime (this could happen from october )I finishing watering in september.So they can shrivel a bit and in this conditions they could resist more cold.
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Post by: YT on October 17, 2010, 12:57:31 PM
Today, a Huernia guttata JSK005 flower is fully open. Fortunately, it has no terribly smell.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 17, 2010, 06:21:25 PM
Very nice flower Tatsuo ! Do you grow more Stapeliads ?
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Post by: cohan on October 17, 2010, 08:48:13 PM
you water your cacti only once a month? are they in big pots? mine probably sometimes get water only monthly, but its definitely not enough for most of them in my conditions (indoors) i know they would like more..i've started watering earlier in the year (march or so) and continuing later into fall --oct-nov since in my current situation, i get more light early and late, and less in midsummer when the sun is high and doesn't shine into the house as much, also, a lot of our rainy (=less sunlight indoors) weather is in june-july..so i water less in midsummer

Oh yes Cohan ,once a month.The little ones are in smal pots ( diameter 5,5 cm) and bigger plants in flat planttrays (diameter 30-35cm) .
In my greenhouse temperature reaches 50°C in summer.There is no shading at all.The potting compost contains always loam and bims.Both components store water for longer period.The monthly irrigation is really a significant watering.
Much water at once is better than many times a little water. (I suppose this is the way it goes in the desert )
This is my  watering regime since 1984.For me it works well.In march and even in april the nights are to cold for watering .In this months I have to heat the greenhouse sometimes at night .So with this cold nights I keep the plants on the drier side. In march I mist the greenhouse on sunny days and this is a good method for plants to re-start and raise them again to create fine fibrous roots.Because the temperature goes down to 0°c in wintertime (this could happen from october )I finishing watering in september.So they can shrivel a bit and in this conditions they could resist more cold.


definitely in a greenhouse they will get colder than  those indoors and must be drier..
i do some misting at times when i would like to give a bit of water but not too much, also; interestingly, this seems to be a typical practise in europe, very uncommon in north america..
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Post by: YT on October 18, 2010, 04:37:02 AM
Very nice flower Tatsuo ! Do you grow more Stapeliads ?

Thank you, Kris! Yes, there are some more potted Huernias and Orbeas on my outside bench. I grow them outside by sunny and south facing wall just under the eaves all year round.

Here is an another one, Huernia occulta PVB 7767, but I took this photo in August and the flowers are all gone now.
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Post by: cohan on October 18, 2010, 07:26:30 AM
nice huernias, tatsuo-- are you frost free there, or these plants are taking a bit of frost in stride?
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Post by: YT on October 18, 2010, 09:59:41 AM
nice huernias, tatsuo-- are you frost free there, or these plants are taking a bit of frost in stride?
Hi, cohan! My place is in 9b-10a in USDA Hardiness Zones and one of the most sunny winter area in Japan. I've never lost my stapeliads by frost here.
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Post by: cohan on October 18, 2010, 06:57:36 PM
nice huernias, tatsuo-- are you frost free there, or these plants are taking a bit of frost in stride?
Hi, cohan! My place is in 9b-10a in USDA Hardiness Zones and one of the most sunny winter area in Japan. I've never lost my stapeliads by frost here.

very interesting! winter sun is especially good  :) i will have to research your area a little.. we have already had nights as low as -9, though many days still in the mid teens C, and the soil is freezing already in shady places..
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 24, 2010, 04:41:41 PM
Another one for you Cohan ?
Neogomesia agavoides . Raised from seed and now 9 years old and  the first time that it flowers !
I keep the old latin name (Neogomesia)while some others wil say that this must be fit into the genus Ariocarpus...
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Post by: cohan on October 25, 2010, 04:16:29 AM
Another one for you Cohan ?
Neogomesia agavoides . Raised from seed and now 9 years old and  the first time that it flowers !
I keep the old latin name (Neogomesia)while some others wil say that this must be fit into the genus Ariocarpus...


congratulations! this is one of my favourite Ariocarpus ;) any reason to keep it out of Ariocarpus? i have heard the old name, but i have no idea what the change (or not) is based on
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 01, 2010, 07:42:38 PM
congratulations! this is one of my favourite Ariocarpus ;) any reason to keep it out of Ariocarpus? i have heard the old name, but i have no idea what the change (or not) is based on
I have the annoying habit to keep the old names/labels with the plants Cohan.And in the years I started , it was known as Neogomesia...
Maybe you're right , it looks like the other Ariocarpus. There must some differences , but so far  I did not search for this.

Today here in flower : Herreanthus meyerii
I am not sure but maybe it is put into the genus Conophytum now...
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Post by: Maggi Young on November 01, 2010, 07:55:54 PM
Herreanthus meyerii is another one new to me.... what great foliage and those flowers are so elegant. A very pretty thing!
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Post by: cohan on November 02, 2010, 06:41:09 AM
i agree with maggi--this is a very sharp looking plant overall!
as for names--no rush to change labels if they were valid to start with, you can always look up synonyms, and sometimes they will come back if you wait ;)

i don't mind changing in cases where the old names are part of the tendency to label each new specimen as a genus or species, and later it becomes clear it is part of something else..but as we discussed elsewhere, it can be hard to find this information..
(for example, i do not call Notocactus or Brasilicactus Parodia, but i think the case for Neochilenia and Neoporteria as distinct genera vs all in Eriosyce is hard to make when almost all species have been in both genera!)
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Post by: Darren on November 02, 2010, 08:16:49 AM
Hi Kris,

You are correct, both taxa in Herreanthus are now subspecies of Conophytum herreanthus. This is one of the Cono's I don't grow.

I admit to being very tempted to try Ariocarpus!



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Post by: johnw on November 02, 2010, 11:33:03 AM
A blurry photo of Haworthia retusa. It has been in flower here for a month and has still plenty of flowers yet to open.

Marvellous Herrreanthus there Kris!

johnw
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2010, 06:59:20 PM
as for names--no rush to change labels if they were valid to start with, you can always look up synonyms, and sometimes they will come back if you wait ;)

i don't mind changing in cases where the old names are part of the tendency to label each new specimen as a genus or species, and later it becomes clear it is part of something else..but as we discussed elsewhere, it can be hard to find this information..
(for example, i do not call Notocactus or Brasilicactus Parodia, but i think the case for Neochilenia and Neoporteria as distinct genera vs all in Eriosyce is hard to make when almost all species have been in both genera!)

That is exactly what I mean Cohan !
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2010, 07:02:03 PM
Thanks John,Darren,Cohan and Maggi for your kind comments.
Also love this types of Haworthia John.
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Post by: johnw on November 02, 2010, 08:52:06 PM
Also love this types of Haworthia John.

Kris  - Are there other species that look like this one?

johnw
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2010, 08:52:42 PM
Another Mesemb and also flowering now. Bijlia cana .
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2010, 09:06:18 PM
Kris  - Are there other species that look like this one?
johnw

Hello John , I read your message again and looking again at your picture I think the one you show is not Haworthia retusa.I think it is Haworthia truncata .
But answering your question , there are a lot of good forms of both Haworthia truncata and maughani.
http://www.gasteria.com/plants.html
Beside there are some other Haworthias with "windows" at the  top of the the leaves...I have a small collection. Look for names if you wan't .
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Post by: Diane Clement on November 02, 2010, 09:59:38 PM
Hello John , I read your message again and looking again at your picture I think the one you show is not Haworthia retusa.I think it is Haworthia truncata .

I agree with Kris, that your plant is Haworthia truncata.  Johnw we discussed this before   ;D ;)
Take a look at reply #40 on this page
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4828.msg131103#msg131103 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4828.msg131103#msg131103)
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Post by: mark smyth on November 02, 2010, 11:09:55 PM
I don't know how many Lithops that I have killed :-X wish I could grow them.
Angie :)

Me also but I could be tempted again.
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Post by: cohan on November 03, 2010, 04:36:29 AM
very nice truncata john! as kris mentioned, there is only one species, truncata, with subspecies maughanii, or those two as separate species(depending who you follow), that have this really flat leaf top, but there are many different forms of truncata that look very different..
retusa is more of a typical rosette with leaves that flatten at the apex, many more species of that type..
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Post by: johnw on November 03, 2010, 11:39:26 AM
Hello John , I read your message again and looking again at your picture I think the one you show is not Haworthia retusa.I think it is Haworthia truncata .

I agree with Kris, that your plant is Haworthia truncata.  Johnw we discussed this before   ;D ;)
Take a look at reply #40 on this page
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4828.msg131103#msg131103 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4828.msg131103#msg131103)


Thanks.  Well at least my memory is not failing me in that I retained retusa    ??? ::)!  Indeed the label was changed to truncata.

johnw
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Post by: Lesley Cox on November 03, 2010, 08:40:05 PM
Of my 7 little baby cactus plants bought at the supermarket, this is the third to flower. You've seen the first, with golden yellow flowers out the top and the second had 6 tiny straw yellow flowers around the tallest growth but I didn't get to take a picture. This one is gorgeous and has another bud on the opposite side of the rosette. A name would be nice. :)
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Post by: Diane Clement on November 03, 2010, 09:11:19 PM
This one is gorgeous and has another bud on the opposite side of the rosette. A name would be nice. :) 

I'd guess at Gymnocalycium but don't know about the species
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Post by: Lesley Cox on November 04, 2010, 07:00:12 PM
Thank you Diane. something to start with anyway. :)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 04, 2010, 07:32:17 PM
Hello  Lesley ,it is hard to say on your picture. Notting wrong with your picture but have to see more detail of the spines to be sure.
Nevertheless  I think this is a Sulcorebutia. 
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Post by: cohan on November 04, 2010, 09:20:13 PM
i was also thinking sulco, and on the c+s group had the suggestion of S steinbachii--
http://www.astrokaktus.com/CactusBase/cactusbase/s/10_Sulcorebutia_steinbachii___.jpg
http://www.astrokaktus.com/CactusBase/cactusbase/s/rod_sulcorebutia.html

with cacti, often id's are based partly on spination, so a close shot of an areole showing details of spines can be useful for id; obviously, flowers are also good :)
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Post by: Lesley Cox on November 04, 2010, 09:58:09 PM
I'll try a close-up when both flowers are finished. I love the silkiness of the flower. :D
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 05, 2010, 08:04:46 PM
Again another Mesemb in flower. This one is Argyroderma ,but I miss the second name because I lost the label.  
Could be delaetii wich flower in different kind of colours?
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Post by: Hans J on November 05, 2010, 08:21:41 PM
Lesley
your plant is pretty shure :

Sulcorebutia mentosa ( Ritter )
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Post by: Darren on November 06, 2010, 05:13:10 PM
We went to a talk on cacti & succulents last night, at which we were told that 'flowering season was over for this year'. So I came home and reprimanded this Conophytum praesectum for being late.... ;)

The speaker clearly does not grow many Mesembs!

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Post by: cohan on November 07, 2010, 05:02:43 AM
We went to a talk on cacti & succulents last night, at which we were told that 'flowering season was over for this year'. So I came home and reprimanded this Conophytum praesectum for being late.... ;)

The speaker clearly does not grow many Mesembs!



nor various other winter growing south africans, nor some mexican mammillarias for example, which flower in the dormant season-- M laui subducta should be starting here soon...

lovely cono--excellent response to coming winter!
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Post by: Darren on November 08, 2010, 03:20:52 PM
Hi Cohan,

Being a beginner to cacti, and I have no Mammilaria at all, I was not aware that some flowered during dormancy, thanks for enlightening me. I guess this mainly applies to the lower altitude species rather than the 'alpine' ones?
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Post by: TheOnionMan on November 08, 2010, 05:09:45 PM
Here's a tiny one I received labeled Esterhuysenia alpina "compact form", with a note that it is probably a Lampranthus, ex. collected on Matroosberg, West Cape at over 8000 ft, October 2008. The leaf tips are tinged pink, and this first (and last for the season) very late flower bud showing some pink in it. I wondered if the flower would open because we're suddenly getting some nights with temperatures dipping below freezing, mid 20s F.

On November 3rd, it went down 24 F (-4 C), but did warm up to about 43 F (6 C) during the day, lo and behold the flower started to open, undeterred by the hard frost.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 08, 2010, 09:21:01 PM
We went to a talk on cacti & succulents last night, at which we were told that 'flowering season was over for this year'. So I came home and reprimanded this Conophytum praesectum for being late.... ;)
The speaker clearly does not grow many Mesembs!

Very nice Cono Darren. I agree with your quote ... and also agree with Cohan.
There are indeed so many Mesembs that going on in the autumn and even in winter. But also Crassula ,Aeonium,Aloe ... and other succulents.
But as Cohan mentioned there are also a lot of cacti ...There are the allready mentioned Mammillaria but here also : many Neochilenia,Neoporteria (now considered as Eriosyce)Zygocactus ... 
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Post by: Darren on November 09, 2010, 03:31:44 PM
I do have a Crassula tecta in flower at the moment (a very large and ancient plant - one of my first succulents). Interesting about Neoporteria, the only one I have (napina var lembckei from 2001 Flores & Watson seed) flowers in early summer.
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Post by: TheOnionMan on November 09, 2010, 03:38:22 PM
Also new to my garden this summer are forms of an undetermined Delosperma species  from Kirstenbosch, representing two collections of apparently the same species.  It still has a few small magenta flowers.  These are growing in the ground at the base of a trough, slightly raised, in a southerly exposure, I hope that they overwinter.

We've had a number of nights down into the mid 20s F (-4 C) and they continue to flower unfazed.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 09, 2010, 06:06:25 PM
Also new to my garden this summer are forms of an undetermined Delosperma species  from Kirstenbosch, representing two collections of apparently the same species.  It still has a few small magenta flowers.  These are growing in the ground at the base of a trough, slightly raised, in a southerly exposure, I hope that they overwinter.
We've had a number of nights down into the mid 20s F (-4 C) and they continue to flower unfazed.

Interesting Mark ! I am curious about the result of hardines...
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Post by: TheOnionMan on November 09, 2010, 06:10:14 PM
Also new to my garden this summer are forms of an undetermined Delosperma species  from Kirstenbosch, representing two collections of apparently the same species.  It still has a few small magenta flowers.  These are growing in the ground at the base of a trough, slightly raised, in a southerly exposure, I hope that they overwinter.
We've had a number of nights down into the mid 20s F (-4 C) and they continue to flower unfazed.

Interesting Mark ! I am curious about the result of hardines...

I received a collection of various "hardy" ice plants, this winter will indeed be a test of hardiness. I was told after I planted some in troughs and some in the ground, that they're not as reliably hardy in troughs but should be in the ground.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 09, 2010, 06:24:26 PM
I received a collection of various "hardy" ice plants, this winter will indeed be a test of hardiness. I was told after I planted some in troughs and some in the ground, that they're not as reliably hardy in troughs but should be in the ground.

This make sense to me Mark but the future decides that it's right or wrong...
 Anyhow I keep interested in the results ,so please let us know ...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: TheOnionMan on November 09, 2010, 07:04:38 PM
Another one I received is a plant labeled Stomatium patulum (Tiger Jaws Iceplant), with the added note from the sender "likely misnamed".  here's the plant, never flowered all summer, but making pretty good little mounds of opposite "jawed" leaves.  Anyone have an idea about what this plant might be?  I can't find any certifiable photos of Stomatium patulum even as a starting point.  I've never grown Stomatium before, so don't know what to expect, but doing a search reveals some attractive plants.  Someone on another forum suggested this plant looks like Faucaria, maybe F. hooleae?

Picsearch results for Stomatium
http://www.picsearch.com/pictures/plants/garden%20plants/plants%20sk-sy/stomatium.html

Stomatium mustellinum
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/108386/

PS. In the first photo, the potted plant is Talinum (Phemeranthus) 'Zoe', which might look dead from afar, but it is quite alive and well; just went into dormancy mode for the winter.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on November 09, 2010, 07:05:39 PM
mark, cool little 'hardies' interesting to see how they do..

darren-- about the mammillarias, i haven't correlated the winter bloomers with altitude, i just checked the one that flowers all winter here--laui subducta--and it is said to be from Tamaulipas, Mexico around 800m

hahniana woodsii also flowers here in late fall, early spring, mostly out of watering season, this one is from Guanajuato, in central Mex, but no altitude listed..

my guess is that these winter flowering species, from spring-fall rainfall areas are either or both: flowering when there is less competition for pollinators, flowering when they can ripen seed by growing season..

i certainly haven't seen all of them, but it seems to me the plants in Eriosyce (neoporteria/neochilenia etc) which flower in winter are more so in the 'Neoporteria' type, flowers with internal petals (if i have that right) closed
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cactushorridus/85027428/
less so in the 'Neochilenia" type flower, which is more open
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cactushorridus/307287699/
(of course that description is simplistic--most species have been in both genera, and several others, all are now in Eriosyce for those that wish it so)
some areas in chile do receive more moisture in winter, but i haven't seen good discussions of how this related to flowering times...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 09, 2010, 07:21:13 PM
Another one I received is a plant labeled Stomatium patulum (Tiger Jaws Iceplant), with the added note from the sender "likely misnamed".  here's the plant, never flowered all summer, but making pretty good little mounds of opposite "jawed" leaves.  Anyone have an idea about what this plant might be?  I can't find any certifiable photos of Stomatium patulum even as a starting point.  I've never grown Stomatium before, so don't know what to expect, but doing a search reveals some attractive plants.  Someone on another forum suggested this plant looks like Faucaria, maybe F. hooleae?
Have to check it tomorrow Mark. I think I have something like that in my collection...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on November 09, 2010, 07:52:56 PM
Another one I received is a plant labeled Stomatium patulum (Tiger Jaws Iceplant), with the added note from the sender "likely misnamed".  here's the plant, never flowered all summer, but making pretty good little mounds of opposite "jawed" leaves.  Anyone have an idea about what this plant might be?  I can't find any certifiable photos of Stomatium patulum even as a starting point.  I've never grown Stomatium before, so don't know what to expect, but doing a search reveals some attractive plants.  Someone on another forum suggested this plant looks like Faucaria, maybe F. hooleae?

Picsearch results for Stomatium
http://www.picsearch.com/pictures/plants/garden%20plants/plants%20sk-sy/stomatium.html

Stomatium mustellinum
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/108386/

PS. In the first photo, the potted plant is Talinum (Phemeranthus) 'Zoe', which might look dead from afar, but it is quite alive and well; just went into dormancy mode for the winter.

a cute one... this is expected to be hardy? i've never heard of Faucaria among the hardier genera.. we'll see what kris comes up with... will you be protecting these unknown mesembs from excess winter wet?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: TheOnionMan on November 10, 2010, 04:52:25 AM

a cute one... this is expected to be hardy? i've never heard of Faucaria among the hardier genera.. we'll see what kris comes up with... will you be protecting these unknown mesembs from excess winter wet?

All that were sent to me are supposed to be hardy in Colorado, which implies they should be comparatively hardy here... the biggest difference in our climate is levels of moisture.  I shall not be protecting these mesembs from excess winter wet, all I can do is to plant them in very well drained positions, which is what I've done, and situate them in the best possible exposure, and hope for the best.  If they don't make it then cest la vie.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on November 10, 2010, 06:43:42 AM
will be interesting to hear in spring how they have done..
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 10, 2010, 07:03:51 PM
Hans and Kris, thank you for naming my little cactus. Gradually each one will have a label on it. :D

The second bud shrivelled so remembering the film "The Living Desert" from many, many years ago (was it a Disney film?) I soaked the pot in cool water and next morning, there were three more buds! I remember that film, mostly about the south western USA I think, talked about how, after spring storms, the cactus all came into bloom within a few days of the rains.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 11, 2010, 05:11:50 PM
Another one I received is a plant labeled Stomatium patulum (Tiger Jaws Iceplant), with the added note from the sender "likely misnamed".  here's the plant, never flowered all summer, but making pretty good little mounds of opposite "jawed" leaves.  Anyone have an idea about what this plant might be?  I can't find any certifiable photos of Stomatium patulum even as a starting point.  I've never grown Stomatium before, so don't know what to expect, but doing a search reveals some attractive plants.  Someone on another forum suggested this plant looks like Faucaria, maybe F. hooleae?

Picsearch results for Stomatium
http://www.picsearch.com/pictures/plants/garden%20plants/plants%20sk-sy/stomatium.html

Stomatium mustellinum
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/108386/

PS. In the first photo, the potted plant is Talinum (Phemeranthus) 'Zoe', which might look dead from afar, but it is quite alive and well; just went into dormancy mode for the winter.

a cute one... this is expected to be hardy? i've never heard of Faucaria among the hardier genera.. we'll see what kris comes up with... will you be protecting these unknown mesembs from excess winter wet?

It must be a Stomatium Mark. Certainly not Faucaria hooleae or another Faucaria. Stomatium is a widely scattered genus and I have two different ones here at home. The first is labelled as Stomatium sp. Animub. The second has no label anymore ,I lost it ...
There is not so many written on this genus. Some years ago I was a member of the South African society wich called "Aloe". Maybe there is something about this genus to find in the older issues.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: TheOnionMan on November 12, 2010, 01:53:30 PM

It must be a Stomatium Mark. Certainly not Faucaria hooleae or another Faucaria. Stomatium is a widely scattered genus and I have two different ones here at home. The first is labelled as Stomatium sp. Animub. The second has no label anymore ,I lost it ...
There is not so many written on this genus. Some years ago I was a member of the South African society wich called "Aloe". Maybe there is something about this genus to find in the older issues.

Thanks Kris... I'll keep looking towards Stomatium on that one.  I got this and other mesembs from Panayoti Kelaidis, I'll check in with him to see if there's been any determination on which Stomatium it may be.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: TheOnionMan on November 13, 2010, 04:56:08 AM
Yet another mesemb that I received is Delosperma 'White Nugget', apparently a sport of D. basuticum.  It didn't flower this summer, but bulked up a little bit.  It is taking on some cold weather foliage coloration right now, I hope it survives the winter.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Carlo on November 13, 2010, 03:20:36 PM
Mark,

It appears we were part of the same distribution--and that my plants are acting about the same as yours. I have encountered some herbivore damage. Apparently the munchers around here are not afraid to experiment with cuisine from another continent. A couple of the smaller plants I've lost entirely, others were merely set back, the balance not really touched at all. There is no apparent rhyme or reason to the depredations.

The real test, as with yours, is our upcoming winter (and that IS why the plants are being tested).

Buona fortuna a tutti!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: TheOnionMan on November 13, 2010, 04:35:19 PM
It appears we were part of the same distribution--and that my plants are acting about the same as yours. I have encountered some herbivore damage. Apparently the munchers around here are not afraid to experiment with cuisine from another continent. A couple of the smaller plants I've lost entirely, others were merely set back, the balance not really touched at all. There is no apparent rhyme or reason to the depredations.

The real test, as with yours, is our upcoming winter (and that IS why the plants are being tested).

Yes, I believe you are correct, it's fun been a guinea pig garden site :D.  Unfortunately I lost 5-6 of these right from the start, damaged from shipping, but I'm pleased with what managed to survive and become established during the summer.  Here's another one I like the look of, received as Delosperma ex Tiffendell, with a note it might be a high altitude collection from the East Cape, possibly D. lavisiae.  Nice burnished leaf coloring, so far not flowered yet.  The other one I was very excited about is the Delosperma "new species" with hot orange and red-pink flowers, which I posted a couple photos of here: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3795.msg156086#msg156086

We can compare notes here in the spring (you can do so on NARGS Forum as well, I started an Aizoaceae thread over there ;-)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 22, 2010, 03:44:36 AM
If just one or two more were present the plant and the pot would be invisible.
Sulcorebutia mentosa with 4 flowers at once.
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Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on November 22, 2010, 04:07:06 AM
If just one or two more were present the plant and the pot would be invisible.
Sulcorebutia mentosa with 4 flowers at once.
(Attachment Link)

congrats-you are doing very well with these :)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Ragged Robin on November 22, 2010, 09:20:27 AM
Here,here, what a show Lesley  :)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on November 22, 2010, 10:50:33 AM
If just one or two more were present the plant and the pot would be invisible.
Sulcorebutia mentosa with 4 flowers at once.


Cute thing, isn't it? Love the scale of the flowers on that little plant.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: pel1 on December 14, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
Hi,
Is anyone interested in exchanging aeonium cuttings? below is my grow-list, I should be able to spare cuttings from most of them, and would like to swap for anything I don't already have. Contact me by PM if interested,
thanks,
James.

Arboreum
Arboreum 'Schwarzkopf'
Balsamiferum
“Blushing Beauty”
Canariense
Castello-Paivae
Ciliatum
Crysanthum
Cyrico
Davidbramwellii
Domesticum “variagata”
Goochiae
Haworthii
Glutinosum
Leucoblepharum
Percarneum
Saundersii
Simsii
Smithii
sp. “Fleur Rose”
Spathulatum
Urbicum

Greenovia
Aurea
Dodrientalis

Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: christian pfalz on December 18, 2010, 02:58:42 PM
hello, under snow....
yucca linearifolia
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/aa008.jpg?t=1292683597)
yucca rostrata
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/aa006.jpg?t=1292684068)
yucca thompsoniana
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/aa004.jpg?t=1292684136)
yucca rostrata green form....
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/aa002.jpg?t=1292684159)
rostrata green form...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/vv003.jpg?t=1292684225)
yuccas
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/garten%201/vv005.jpg?t=1292684294)
cheers
chris
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on December 24, 2010, 02:23:59 PM
Hi Cacti fans ,

Just has arrived me a new book for Cacti :

SULCOREBUTIEN - Kleinode aus Bolivien
It is written from Willi Gertel + Wolfgang Latin

published from the DKG in year 2010

...sorry only in german - but with 1359 very good pictures about each species ( 320 pages )

Hans  8)

Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on December 24, 2010, 04:13:01 PM
here is a link :
http://www.dkg.eu/cms/cs/index.pl?navid=Nr._5%3A_Sulcorebutien_1184&sid=de

Hans  8)


Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: kelaidis on December 24, 2010, 06:40:49 PM
I believe there is a thread on Delosperma proper, but I can't seem to find it, but thought this might be a good place to bring up a really distinctive little delosperma that has proved hardy for quite a few years. It appeared at Sunscapes, one of America's greatest mail order nurseries selling alpines and other choice morsels. Bill Adams is not sure where he got it, but it is a delightful, season long bloomer not quite like any other delosperma I have grown: Bill's picture on his website is at this URL: http://www.sunscapes.net/images/D.%20sp.%20'Carlile%20Pink'%2032%25%203.0.JPG

I am appending several pix from my private garden where it is a season long delight. Any one have ideas about provenance?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: TheOnionMan on December 24, 2010, 06:56:42 PM
Panayoti, the link below is probably the thread you were looking for, but your post is just a useful here.  It's a beautiful little Delo; from afar the flowers remind me of a novae-belgii aster.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3795.0
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on December 24, 2010, 06:59:32 PM
PK, Mark has given you the correct link but there is no problem with your perfectly pink pictures being here!
I've made  link to your post on the Delos thread.

Seasonal Felicitations, to you, by the way!! :-*
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on December 25, 2010, 02:02:28 AM
nice delo--as mark suggests, it is amazing how asterish or daisyish mesembs can be!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: WimB on May 18, 2011, 09:03:51 AM
Some cacti flowering here now, they've been growing in trough unprotected for the last 4 years.

Echinocereus baileyi
and Escobaria missouriensis var. asperispina
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Darren on May 18, 2011, 12:48:50 PM
Stunning pictures Wim. I have some tiny seedlings of the Echinocereus and I look forward to them flowering eventually!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on May 19, 2011, 09:47:11 PM
The unusual long lasting hot and dry weather is a real nightmare for our regional farmers,fruit and vegetable growers;they look forward to an extremely poor harvest.
Steppe plants and Cactii love these conditions and express this by opulent flowering:

Echinocereus coccineus roemeri and reichenbachii albispinus
                   reichenbachii albispinus
                   chloranthus
                   polyacanthus
                   triglochidiatus
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on May 19, 2011, 09:52:00 PM
The unusual long lasting hot and dry weather is a real nightmare for our regional farmers,fruit and vegetable growers;they look forward to an extremely poor harvest.
Steppe plants and Cactii love these conditions and express this by opulent flowering:

Yes, Rudi, the prediction is for poor crops in many areas..... not good news at all. Your bright and healthy cacti are cheering, though... good to see these jewel colours.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on May 19, 2011, 10:37:54 PM
Beautiful cacti Wim and Rudi!
Here there are more farmers who cannot get on some fields because of standing water from snow melt! My area should not be too bad (most fields not so wet, just parts), but we won't talk about parts of Manitoba and elsewherewith serious flooding :( I guess food prices will go up again!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Ragged Robin on May 22, 2011, 11:52:55 AM
I have never had much success with flowering cacti but these are inspiration to keep trying!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Pauli on May 22, 2011, 05:48:39 PM
Hello,

here are my hardy cacti, grown in an unheated greenhouse
group
Ec dasyacanthus red form
Pterocactus
Ec fendleri
and Delosperma deilanthoides (thanks Ian!)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: christian pfalz on May 22, 2011, 09:34:37 PM
hello herbert,
nice forms you grow....i have echinocereus pectinatus red forma in my garden, without rainprotection. it grows very well and flowers every year....i took some photos next....
cheers
chris
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on May 23, 2011, 02:46:06 AM
I have never had much success with flowering cacti but these are inspiration to keep trying!

Robin, most are not too hard, as long as you choose some that you can give enough light to (needs vary)..then its a matter of enough water and sun in the growing season, and a dry, usually cool, winter rest.. have you been trying indoors or outside?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on May 23, 2011, 02:51:54 AM
Hello,

here are my hardy cacti, grown in an unheated greenhouse
group
Ec dasyacanthus red form
Pterocactus
Ec fendleri
and Delosperma deilanthoides (thanks Ian!)

Very nice collection, Herbert! Are many of these grown in group trays?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Pauli on May 23, 2011, 05:43:24 AM
Yes, most are grown in "fish -boxes".
This makes watering easier, as I do not live near my garden!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: FrazerHenderson on May 29, 2011, 12:05:30 PM
Graptopetalum paraguayense growing above a doorway at Vela Luka, island of Korcula, Croatia. Often seen growing as a pot or balcony specimen across the Med. Easy to grow in fact thrives on being left alone.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: FrazerHenderson on May 29, 2011, 10:35:03 PM
For those interested in succulents the latest issue of the Sedum Society Newsletter [http://www.cactus-mall.com/sedum (http://www.cactus-mall.com/sedum) or http://cactus-mall.com/sedum/habitat/html (http://cactus-mall.com/sedum/habitat/html) ] contains an illustrated article, amongst many, on:

Crassulaceae in the Cevannes mountains (by Eric Barbier)

The article also contains some useful web references:

http://sempervivophilia.stalikez.info/
 (http://sempervivophilia.stalikez.info/)http://sempervivum.legtux.org/
 (http://sempervivum.legtux.org/)http://atlas.parcsnationaux.org/cevennes/
 [/url]
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on May 30, 2011, 12:17:16 AM
Graptopetalum paraguayense growing above a doorway at Vela Luka, island of Korcula, Croatia. Often seen growing as a pot or balcony specimen across the Med. Easy to grow in fact thrives on being left alone.

Interesting, didn't realise Croatia was that warm!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on May 30, 2011, 12:32:36 AM
For those interested in succulents the latest issue of the Sedum Society Newsletter [http://www.cactus-mall.com/sedum (http://www.cactus-mall.com/sedum) or http://cactus-mall.com/sedum/habitat/html (http://cactus-mall.com/sedum/habitat/html) ] contains an illustrated article, amongst many, on:

Crassulaceae in the Cevannes mountains (by Eric Barbier)

The article also contains some useful web references:

http://sempervivophilia.stalikez.info/
 (http://sempervivophilia.stalikez.info/)http://sempervivum.legtux.org/
 (http://sempervivum.legtux.org/)http://atlas.parcsnationaux.org/cevennes/
 [/url]


I didn't find the article at either link...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: FrazerHenderson on May 30, 2011, 05:58:09 PM
Cohan

The article is within the magazine. It does however reference the weblinks which provide material additional to the article. Eric Barbier also operates those sites.

Frazer
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Pauli on June 02, 2011, 03:38:01 PM
Hello,

I want to show you Austrian "wallflowers":
Opuntia phaeacantha
Delosperma lineare
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Maggi Young on June 02, 2011, 04:04:28 PM
Quote
Austrian "wallflowers"

 ;) ;D 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 03, 2011, 12:37:27 AM
Hello,

I want to show you Austrian "wallflowers":
Opuntia phaeacantha
Delosperma lineare

Nice wall decorations!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Darren on June 03, 2011, 09:54:33 AM
Best keep my wife away from this thread. Susan stumbled whilst weeding last week and landed with her knee in Opuntia phaeacantha  :o

The bigger spines came out OK but a lot of glochids are still embedded...

Of course the plant has now been renamed "YOUR ****ing cactus".  I must change the label to reflect this.

Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ranunculus on June 03, 2011, 10:57:49 AM
Best keep my wife away from this thread. Susan stumbled whilst weeding last week and landed with her knee in Opuntia phaeacantha  :o

The bigger spines came out OK but a lot of glochids are still embedded...

Of course the plant has now been renamed "YOUR ****ing cactus".  I must change the label to reflect this.



Susan's grasp of nomenclature appears a little wayward Darren ... !    :D
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Darren on June 03, 2011, 01:35:18 PM
Absolutely Cliff - I'm concerned impressionable youngsters might read the label.  Can just see it down the garden centre " Muuuummm, can I have a ****ing cactus like Aunty Susan's please???"

Whilst in this thread I will post some pics of a few cacti in flower in the sunshine this morning (except the 2nd one - taken last week). The first is a Rebutia, the rest are Sulcorebutia. Though Sulcorebutia is sunk into Rebutia depending on which classification you believe. In fact Cliff - this makes me realise that cactus nomenclature is a total mystery to me as well, so Susan's name might well be as correct as any other...

Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: SusanS on June 04, 2011, 09:43:45 PM
Best keep my wife away from this thread. Susan stumbled whilst weeding last week and landed with her knee in Opuntia phaeacantha  :o

The bigger spines came out OK but a lot of glochids are still embedded...

Of course the plant has now been renamed "YOUR ****ing cactus".  I must change the label to reflect this.



Susan's grasp of nomenclature appears a little wayward Darren ... !    :D

personally I think it was very accurate ....  ::)

what I can't work out is given the size of the garden, how on earth I managed to land on the only cactus in it!  :'(

Glad to report I didn't do any damage to it.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 05, 2011, 04:34:01 AM

Glad to report I didn't do any damage to it.

Thanks, that's the news I was most anxious to hear! ;)

Darren, lovely Rebutias and Sulcos! I don't subscribe to the lumping, in this case, but then, I can't say I have heard the real arguments pro and con, certainly they seem to be distinct groups....
Even more of a stretch seems to be including Weingartia under Rebutia
Cactus taxonomy as a whole does seem to involve more fashion, pet projects and politics than good sense or science...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Darren on June 06, 2011, 08:37:01 AM
Thank you for confirming my views Cohan. I too regard Rebutia and Sulcorebutia as distinct - though if pressed I'd struggle to define the difference! Some Sulcos (e.g. arenacea) look very Rebutia-ish to me... ???

Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 06, 2011, 06:43:11 PM
Though Sulcorebutia is sunk into Rebutia depending on which classification you believe. In fact Cliff - this makes me realise that cactus nomenclature is a total mystery to me as well, so Susan's name might well be as correct as any other...

Despite problems with ID's (those days no matter anymore for the regulary grower )this is a very rewarding genus Darren! Thanks for showing this nice flowering plants.
Sulco's give us a lot of advantages . They could resist cold temperatures ( 0 degrees Celcius is allright and even occasional light frost give no dammage - this are high elevation plants !), they stay very small and needs no place (anyone must find a place for one of them), they are easy and very good flowering and  they produce such lovely and bright  flowers in profusion....
So a very good choice I suppose ...
And nomenclature those days is something very difficult to understand anyway ......DNA and all that other stuff is not easy to measure for us ...
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 06, 2011, 06:55:21 PM
Darren, I guess that's where the matter of opinion or interpretation comes in--deciding whether you have two distinct groups that are closely related, or one large group with variable taxa, and nature never worried much about making clearly distinct groups to satisfy our classification wishes  ;D
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 06, 2011, 09:08:53 PM
Some of the smaller Mammillaria's are flowering here ...

First the very small and recently discovered M.luethyi .

Also M. herrerae .

And last but not least M.haudeana .

This are true miniatures with very huge flowers ! , well worth to grow!
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Post by: ruweiss on June 06, 2011, 10:07:36 PM
Dear friends, thanks for all the beautiful pictures and comments about our prickly
and fat friens. All my hardy cactii flower as profusely like never before, probably
an effect of the hot and dry spring we had till now.
Escobaria leeii and sneedii from the nursery trade grow like mad, but this small
and very slow growing seedling from a friend keeps on flowering with very big
and showy flowers.
Chamaecereus silvestrii spends the winter time in my unheated alpine house,maybe
the low tempratures support flowering.
Pterocactus tuberosus grows all the year in the open ground, but never flowered so
profusely like this spring.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Darren on June 07, 2011, 08:09:14 AM
Thanks Kris & Cohan,

 I do like the Sulcos, they are very tough and rewarding and don't take up much space, as you say. The plant which first inspired me to grow cacti was a wonderful plant of S tarabucoensis I saw in flower at a show. It had bicoloured red & yellow flowers and was spectacular.

I don't grow any mammillaria but I do like those you pictured Kris - especially leuthii. I am told this one is difficult to grow from seed?

Like your Pterocactus Rudi - I do like the flowers of opuntoids even if the plants can be evil and spiky!

After seeing your pictures of Ariocarpus last year Kris I now have a few to try so wish me luck..



Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 07, 2011, 07:20:03 PM
Thanks Kris & Cohan,

 The plant which first inspired me to grow cacti was a wonderful plant of S tarabucoensis I saw in flower at a show. It had bicoloured red & yellow flowers and was spectacular.
I don't grow any mammillaria but I do like those you pictured Kris - especially leuthii. I am told this one is difficult to grow from seed?
After seeing your pictures of Ariocarpus last year Kris I now have a few to try so wish me luck..

I can understand what you mean Darren. The bicoloured Sulco's are irresistible !

I am not especially a Mammillaria-fanatic but like the smaller ones with the big flowers.I grew a lot of cacti from seed (by the thousands ),also Mammillaria's but not this luethyi. This one I bought in Germany .Now they are reasonable prized but few years ago they where very expansive (and in the beginning only grafted plants !)

How nice to hear that you take your chance with the Ario's ! Offcourse I wish you luck ! They are not that difficult once you understand the rules . The most important rule is not overwatering Ario's ...I only start with watering in the month of june . But with your experiences , I believe in a good end  ;)     
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 07, 2011, 07:22:44 PM
Dear friends, thanks for all the beautiful pictures and comments about our prickly
and fat friens. All my hardy cactii flower as profusely like never before, probably
an effect of the hot and dry spring we had till now.
Escobaria leeii and sneedii from the nursery trade grow like mad, but this small
and very slow growing seedling from a friend keeps on flowering with very big
and showy flowers.
Chamaecereus silvestrii spends the winter time in my unheated alpine house,maybe
the low tempratures support flowering.
Pterocactus tuberosus grows all the year in the open ground, but never flowered so
profusely like this spring.

Great cacti Rudi ! Like especially the Pterocactus ! We find some Pterocactus during our trip to Patagonie ! They are not always easy to manage in our homecountries !  
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 07, 2011, 07:26:58 PM
More cacti from my collection ...

Acanthocalycium aurantiacum
Lobivia marsonerii
Lobivia pampana
Hildewintera x Chamaecereus
Puna subterranae
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on June 07, 2011, 08:04:28 PM
Chris ,

Sorry - but your Lobivia marsonerii is wrong named ....
It should be have a dark hymen ...your plant looks like a hybrid

Hans
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 07, 2011, 08:07:42 PM
Chris ,
Sorry - but your Lobivia marsonerii is wrong named ....
It should be have a dark hymen ...your plant looks like a hybrid
Hans
Thank you Hans for this usefull remark. I grew it from seed some many years ago...Never paid attention to it ... 
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on June 07, 2011, 08:18:07 PM
No problem !

I grow Lobivia,Rebutia + Aylostera since more than 30 years ....
Walter Rausch ,Ernst Markus,Willi Gertel,Rainer Wahl,Wolfgang Krahn are good friends of me  :D

I have visit the north of Argentina several times and it was possibly for me to see the most Lobivia in her habitats .

From Lob. marsonerii exist two types :
L. marsonerii
L. marsonerii var. iridescens

Nice to see your Acanthocalycium aurantiacum - I know it from the typ locality  ;D

Hans
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 07, 2011, 08:25:53 PM
No problem !
I grow Lobivia,Rebutia + Aylostera since more than 30 years ....
Walter Rausch ,Ernst Markus,Willi Gertel,Rainer Wahl,Wolfgang Krahn are good friends of me  :D
I have visit the north of Argentina several times and it was possibly for me to see the most Lobivia in her habitats .
From Lob. marsonerii exist two types :
L. marsonerii
L. marsonerii var. iridescens
Nice to see your Acanthocalycium aurantiacum - I know it from the typ locality  ;D
Hans

Oh very impressive list Hans ! I grow cacti and succulents (mixed collection)since 1984. I have been in Chil /Argentina once (Patagonia). But the main target at that time are the many alpines ...We travel more in the south and we only find some Pterocactus , Austrocactus ...
Some are maybe  not identified correctly ? Maybe you know some specialists on this matter ?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 07, 2011, 08:38:22 PM
From Lob. marsonerii exist two types :
L. marsonerii
L. marsonerii var. iridescens
Hans

Hans , doublechecked my original order (always kept my originals !) Bought it (seeds)as marsonerii subsp. grandiflora from our famous Belgian nursery.
I think you must know the name " Gebroeders Deherdt " ?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on June 07, 2011, 08:47:53 PM
I have visit only one time Patagonia ( Perrito Moreno ) and in Bolivia I was only by foot ( near the border of Argentina ) ;D
In the south we have not found only one Cactus ...I think we was in the wrong time  :-\

Sorry but I can not help you with Pterocactus and Austrocactus - maybe you could look on the DKG website ...there is now also a forum .
In the KuaS are sometimes articels about this plants ...but I have really no interest for them .

In earlier times I have also collect Sulcorebutia ...but after a fire in my greenhouse in year 1992 I have lost all my cacti and I have start it again - after this I have not collect more Sulcorebutia .

To the nomenclature from Hunt ....it is a big waste and many of my friends have never accept it ( like me too ) ...now after many years and DNA research is it clear that it is wrong !

It is not so complicatet :
Sulcorebutia is only in Bolivia !

Rebutia ( in sensu Schuhmann ) is only in Argentina ( exept R.padcayensis which grow in Bolivia )
I have seen near all Rebutia in habitat:
R.minuscula
R.senilis
R.margarethae
R.xanthocarpa
R.fabrisii
R.wessneriana ( + R.beryllioides )
R.krainziana

To field researchers :
I forgot Alfred Lau , Jörg Piltz ,Dietrich Herzog,Heinz Swoboda,Ernst Zecher.....

Hans
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on June 07, 2011, 08:52:55 PM
From Lob. marsonerii exist two types :
L. marsonerii
L. marsonerii var. iridescens
Hans

Hans , doublechecked my original order (always kept my originals !) Bought it (seeds)as marsonerii subsp. grandiflora from our famous Belgian nursery.
I think you must know the name " Gebroeders Deherdt " ?

Yes Chris ,

This name ( L.marsoneri ssp. grandiflora ) is only a product of phantasia !!!
I know De Herdt well ...I have there also in earlier times ordered seeds ...later we had with this plants always troubles with the ID ...I think they had a lot of butterflies as pollinators  ;D
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 07, 2011, 09:03:53 PM
Many thanks Hans for your explanation ! Make a new label , something like "affinis marsoneri " or  "x marsoneri" is maybe better. 
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on June 07, 2011, 09:12:11 PM
Chris ,

If I find time so I will post some pictures of L.marsonerii ( sorry flowers are finished ) -my plants came all from well defined material .

Your plant is shure a hybrid ( without any genes of L.marsoneri ) ....please look for the small offsets ...also wrong are the spines ...and the flower is complete wrong

Do you know Mats Nilson ( now Winberg ) from Sweden ?
He has a good nursery and sells also seeds

Hans
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 07, 2011, 09:20:16 PM
Chris ,
Do you know Mats Nilson ( now Winberg ) from Sweden ?
He has a good nursery and sells also seeds
Hans

Oh yes I know Mats ! Many years ago I ordered some seeds overthere ....I have still many cacti with the "MW" -abbreviation on the back of the label.....
But thanks for the information anyway !
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 07, 2011, 09:26:04 PM
and now for something completely different


Echinocereus baileyi
Echinocereus pectinatus subsp. rigidissimus
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hans J on June 07, 2011, 09:43:40 PM
Chris ,
Do you know Mats Nilson ( now Winberg ) from Sweden ?
He has a good nursery and sells also seeds
Hans

Oh yes I know Mats ! Many years ago I ordered some seeds overthere ....I have still many cacti with the "MW" -abbreviation on the back of the label.....
But thanks for the information anyway !

The Cacti world is also small !
I know Mats from earlier times - we made our travels in similar times and swapped often informations .
Please look on his website -there are pictures of L.marsonerii

Hans
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 07, 2011, 09:58:14 PM
The Cacti world is also small !
I know Mats from earlier times - we made our travels in similar times and swapped often informations .
Please look on his website -there are pictures of L.marsonerii
Hans

Everything even more clear now ! Now I see his pictures I am even more convinced !
Hans , did you ever visit the "ELK" ?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: cohan on June 08, 2011, 04:17:21 AM
Some of the smaller Mammillaria's are flowering here ...
Also M. herrerae .

This is my favourite of this group, for the flower colour and spines..
Many beauties posted lately by everyone!
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on June 12, 2011, 10:16:25 PM
Some strange forms among my small collection of succulent plants:
Orbeanthus hardyi
Ficus abutilifolia
Pseudolithos eylensis
Larryleachia cactiformis
Euphorbia turbiniformis
Echidnopsis bihendulensis
Escobaria vivipara cristata
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Post by: cohan on June 12, 2011, 10:29:23 PM
I always like the little fat Ascleps, but the Euphorbia turbiniformis is really nice! Is it hard to grow on its own roots?
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on June 13, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
I always like the little fat Ascleps, but the Euphorbia turbiniformis is really nice! Is it hard to grow on its own roots?
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Cohan, I never saw a plant of Euphorbia turbiniformis on own roots offered for sale.
Maybe they grow too slow or are not easy in cultivation.
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Post by: cohan on June 14, 2011, 07:22:17 AM
Well, Rudi, I've never seen that Euphorbia at all...lol.. Though some things seem to be grown only grafted when they are introduced into cultivation (speed might well be an issue then) and everyone thinks they wont grow on their own, then some years later, many people grow them fine without grafting.... In any case, this must be one of the most beautiful of Euphorbias, at this size at least....
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Post by: alpines on June 20, 2011, 11:16:18 PM
Escobaria zilziana in flower in Kentucky today. Thanks to John Lonsdale for pointing me in the direction of Beaver Creek Greenhouses.
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Post by: alpines on June 20, 2011, 11:23:20 PM
....and similarly, Echinocereus viridiflorus.
John was correct. This cactus thing is addictive !!!!
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Post by: ranunculus on June 21, 2011, 06:47:02 AM
I suppose you'll be competing for the Pudsey Porcupine now buddy?   :D :o

Greetings from a damp and cloudy East Lancashire ... nothing changes!!!
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Post by: cohan on June 22, 2011, 04:38:28 AM
Gorgeous plants, Alan :) Are you growing them in the ground?
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Post by: alpines on June 24, 2011, 11:58:23 AM
Well firstly guys my apologies for not responding sooner but for some strange reason I haven't been able to access the forum for the past 48 hours. It kept telling me that the srgc site was not responding. Doesn't seem to have been a universal posting judging by your responses.

Pudsey Porcupine? I'm too 'spineless' to even attempt that amount of food anymore Cliff. Anything other than salads is a 'prickly' subject. Don't need any of your rain this year but it sure is hot here. Going to be cold here today though. Only 78 degrees!!!!

Cohan......I only bought these plants a few weeks ago from Roger Barlow at Beaver Creek Nurseries. Highly recommended. John Lonsdale pointed me in his direction. Well worth checking out his web site. http://www.rockgardenplants.com/index.htm
Yes, they are in the ground. I selected 18 plants which are cold hardy so I'm hoping for the best. I believe they'll need some cover from the rain in winter but so do many alpines, so I'm hopeful of some success. Many of the delospermas seem to survive the winters here so I thought I'd try some cacti too.
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Post by: iann on June 24, 2011, 07:39:11 PM
Wow, just checked this thread and it seems like I missed a lot of mesembs.  I'll have to take my camera out this weekend ...
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Post by: alpines on June 25, 2011, 12:20:26 PM
Definitely not hardy here but this is a pic of Maleophora crocea growing in a container and flowering today in Kentucky. I would be interested in knowing if anybody else has attempted to grow this outside and if so, what minimum temperature it will tolerate.
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Post by: iann on June 25, 2011, 09:35:09 PM
Malephora crocea is widely reported as hardy to about zone 7 or perhaps 10F.  I haven't found it to be anything like that hardy and it has never survived in my garden.  Of course it has been below 10F both the last two winters :o  However, even potted specimens have been killed at around 20F.  I think there are several species or perhaps hybrids going round in cultivation with the same name, or perhaps just a wide range of provenances.

This one was killed last winter.  Luckily it grows fast and my insurance cutting is nearly as large now.
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Post by: iann on June 25, 2011, 09:46:36 PM
Here's a few recent highlights from my cactus world.
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Post by: alpines on June 25, 2011, 10:11:05 PM
Thanks for the hardiness info Ian. I'm supposedly Zone 6 but I don't take much notice of it. One ice storm and zones are meaningless!
Love your cacti photos. Do you grow everything in a greenhouse?
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Post by: iann on June 26, 2011, 12:03:59 AM
I grow most cacti in a greenhouse, some highly xeric mesembs too, but more thirsty mesembs in outdoor containers and a few in the garden.  I also experiment with cacti outdoors but only a very few can even survive and they don't get enough heat to grow very well.
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 01, 2011, 09:37:07 PM
 Succulent ? Can anyone ID this one for me please,lost the label.
Cleistocactus strausii
Lithops
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Post by: Darren on July 02, 2011, 09:57:55 AM
Pleiospilos nelii?

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Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 02, 2011, 02:07:53 PM
Thanks Darren, that's it
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Post by: cohan on July 03, 2011, 07:58:28 AM
My goodness, Michael--you really do grow everything, and well!
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 03, 2011, 09:31:38 AM
 ;D
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Post by: iann on July 03, 2011, 06:49:41 PM
Lithops pseudotruncatella
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 03, 2011, 08:28:25 PM
Thanks Iann,I used to know all these names 30 years ago when I had a greenhouse full of them but the memory has lapsed a little lot since then. :)
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Post by: ruweiss on July 07, 2011, 08:11:17 PM
Now flowering:
Epiphyllum King Midas
Leuchtenbergia principis
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Post by: cohan on July 08, 2011, 06:10:48 AM
Exceptional flower (and photo) on the Leuctenbergia :)
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Post by: Darren on July 08, 2011, 08:12:42 AM
I agree!
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Post by: ruweiss on July 12, 2011, 09:28:18 PM
More flowering Cactus plants:
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Post by: Maggi Young on July 12, 2011, 10:38:44 PM
Wonderful photos, Rudi  8)
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Post by: ruweiss on July 14, 2011, 09:22:40 PM
Thanks, Maggi.
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Post by: JPB on August 11, 2011, 01:21:51 PM
Conophytum meyeri (the yellow one)
Conophytum jucundum ssp. fragile (pink flowers)
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Post by: Maggi Young on August 11, 2011, 01:31:27 PM
Remember, Folks, if you mouse click on the thumbnail pictures they will enlarge in the same page to show more detail 8) 8)
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Post by: Panu on August 20, 2011, 11:21:44 AM
ID needed for these two market bought specimens. I´m not even sure if it is Echinopsis. The other one brings in mind some hybrid, even intergeneric? It has developed a seedpod though.
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Post by: Rogan on August 22, 2011, 07:47:08 AM
I thought my young Muiria hortenseae (syn. Gibbaeum hortenseae) plants needed more sun, so I dumped them outdoors for the winter; it seems as though the change did them a lot of good - now they've got rosy cheeks!
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Post by: Rogan on August 22, 2011, 07:58:13 AM
Panu, no. 3 looks like an Haworthia hybrid I would guess, perhaps involving H. pumila as one of the parents?
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Post by: ruweiss on September 25, 2011, 09:07:11 PM
A not too pleasant smell is in the alpine house: Stapeliads are starting to flower and
the flies have have a pleasant time with laying their eggs on them.
Faucarias now flower quite well and the flowers last rather long.
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Post by: ruweiss on October 08, 2011, 09:31:42 PM
When I opened the door to my greenhouse yesterday an evil smell was in the air:
the fat buds of Stapelia gigantea got opened and showed  their real big flowers.
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 08, 2011, 09:40:53 PM
My goodness, Rudi, those are amazing. You do very well with these unusual plants.  8)
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Post by: ruweiss on October 11, 2011, 09:33:22 PM
There are so many interesting and showy creatures among the cactii
and other succulent plants, but my space for keeping them frost-free
during the cold season is very limited.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2011, 08:44:13 PM
I thought my young Muiria hortenseae (syn. Gibbaeum hortenseae) plants needed more sun, so I dumped them outdoors for the winter; it seems as though the change did them a lot of good - now they've got rosy cheeks!

 :o :o :o Very nice Muiria Rogan ! This is a difficult one here in the Northern parts ..........always struggle with it . :(

Here some Argyroderma in flower now . 
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Post by: Maggi Young on November 02, 2011, 08:47:29 PM

Here some Argyroderma in flower now . 
My word! It is like a tiny sculpture.  8) 8)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
My word! It is like a tiny sculpture.  8) 8)

Sculptures created by the African nature Maggi . Another tiny creature ..........A very tiny Mexican cactus .
Turbinicarpus alonsoi .
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2011, 09:05:40 PM
And also stil in flower here : the desertrose .
Adenium somalense , here a form from Tanzania .
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 11, 2011, 10:59:16 PM
Today stil flowering here : Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 12, 2011, 06:25:17 PM
South African succulent .... Crassula tecta with just tiny flowers ...
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 18, 2011, 09:39:22 PM
Some mesems from today :

Psammophora longifolia (1&2)
Lapidaria margaretae
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Post by: Maggi Young on November 18, 2011, 10:14:52 PM
These are charming little plants.... but the brightness and shading of the Adenium from Tanzania is terrific: makes me cheerful to look at all of them, but that pink is grand!
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Post by: Rogan on November 21, 2011, 11:08:11 AM
Your plants are fantastic Kris, very well grown.

I also had problems growing Muiria hortenseae until recently when a British friend advised growing them with regular administrations of salt (!)and general fertilizer; seems as though these are hungry plants and grow in saline conditions in their natural habitat. Now I give my plants a crystal of sea salt and a pinch of dry fertilizer each on a quarterly basis - the results speak for themselves...   8)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 27, 2011, 08:07:42 PM
Your plants are fantastic Kris, very well grown.
I also had problems growing Muiria hortenseae until recently when a British friend advised growing them with regular administrations of salt (!)and general fertilizer; seems as though these are hungry plants and grow in saline conditions in their natural habitat. Now I give my plants a crystal of sea salt and a pinch of dry fertilizer each on a quarterly basis - the results speak for themselves...   8)

Thanks for the compliments and for your information on growing Muiria Rogan ! Very usefull , I wil trie this with my plants and let you know about the results ... :D
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Post by: cohan on November 27, 2011, 11:31:14 PM
ID needed for these two market bought specimens. I´m not even sure if it is Echinopsis. The other one brings in mind some hybrid, even intergeneric? It has developed a seedpod though.

Hi, Panu, I'm lating looking at these! Nice purchases :) That could well be an Echinopsis, and almost certainly is, sensu latu, but sensu strictu? not sure, I'm not nearly and expert in these genera, but almost feels more like Lobivia..

The other feels a lot like Haworthia marginata, which is highly variable...  if you are on Facebook, there are some real Haw experts on some groups there...
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Post by: cohan on November 27, 2011, 11:33:19 PM
Panu, no. 3 looks like an Haworthia hybrid I would guess, perhaps involving H. pumila as one of the parents?

this and your Muiria are fantastic, Rogan :) If you should ever find seed on any of these wild Haworthia-- especially this subgenus! ;) .....
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Post by: cohan on November 27, 2011, 11:38:20 PM
Kris-- all your plants are looking good-- love the little group of Turbis, and the A somalense- I really prefer the natural Adenium flowers to the hybrids, and I like the narrow leaves of this species also..

Rudi-- great work with the Staps :) I just don't have room indoors for any of the large species, though I used to grow hirsuta, only have a small Orbea now.. would like to get a couple of the spp with tiny oval segments, that stay small....
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Post by: Panu on November 28, 2011, 02:05:31 PM
Thank you Cohan, H. marginata looks quite the same. On the other forum cactus was identified as Echinopsis ancistrophora. Haven´t tried to check which ssp. (or separate sp.)
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Post by: cohan on November 28, 2011, 07:08:06 PM
Thank you Cohan, H. marginata looks quite the same. On the other forum cactus was identified as Echinopsis ancistrophora. Haven´t tried to check which ssp. (or separate sp.)

Good to know my 'feeling' wasn't so far wrong-- E ancistrophora was lumped into Echinopsis from Lobivia/Pseudolobivia.. I should have asked the size of the plant? L arachnacantha that I have known is a very small, tight growing and tight spined clumping plant, though I don't know if there are larger things included in the Echinopsis taxon...
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Post by: Maggi Young on December 11, 2011, 02:47:56 PM
 Cactus friends...a Joint SRGC/NARGS forumist has posted photos of oa strange looking plant on the NARGS Forum:  http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=868.msg13155#msg13155

Long thin stems.... very odd.... he's not the only one who would like to know what it is!  :D
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Post by: Hoy on December 11, 2011, 03:08:31 PM
Cactus friends...a Joint SRGC/NARGS forumist has posted photos of oa strange looking plant on the NARGS Forum:  http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=868.msg13155#msg13155

Long thin stems.... very odd.... he's not the only one who would like to know what it is!  :D
Nothing escapes you, Mrs Hawkeye ;D
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Post by: Maggi Young on December 11, 2011, 03:24:57 PM
Cactus friends...a Joint SRGC/NARGS forumist has posted photos of oa strange looking plant on the NARGS Forum:  http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=868.msg13155#msg13155

Long thin stems.... very odd.... he's not the only one who would like to know what it is!  :D
Nothing escapes you, Mrs Hawkeye ;D
I try,  I do try..... in fact many people find me VERY trying!  ;D ;D
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Post by: shelagh on December 13, 2011, 04:07:19 PM
Nonsense Maggi you are always a delight ;D
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Post by: Maggi Young on December 13, 2011, 04:38:17 PM
Thanks Shelagh.... not everyone has your exquisite taste  ;)  ;D
Some may find me prickly.... like a cactus  ::)
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Post by: Hoy on December 13, 2011, 04:45:35 PM
Cactus friends...a Joint SRGC/NARGS forumist has posted photos of oa strange looking plant on the NARGS Forum:  http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=868.msg13155#msg13155

Long thin stems.... very odd.... he's not the only one who would like to know what it is!  :D
Nothing escapes you, Mrs Hawkeye ;D
I try,  I do try..... in fact many people find me VERY trying!  ;D ;D
Maggi, you are not very trying but finishing things off with excelent results ;)

..and prickly is better than glabrescent ;D
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Post by: Maggi Young on December 13, 2011, 04:55:52 PM
Quote
..and prickly is better than glabrescent Grin

 That's true!  ;D ;D

Still no opinions to the name of your skinny cactus, though.... I thought the  fans of the succulents  would have helped out by now........ :-\
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Post by: Hans J on December 13, 2011, 04:59:17 PM
sorry but I cant no resist  ;D
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Post by: Lesley Cox on December 13, 2011, 09:39:29 PM
Totally ignoring that last post (which, even without any German is very funny), I'd like to refer back to the pictures of Stapelia hirsuta with the flies' eggs. I can just bear the thought of the eggs on the flowers but the thought of the pupae then the maggots crawling around the flowers, is utterly disgusting. What do you do about that Rudi?

I quite like the Orbea. Is that smelly as well? It looks as if it has been woven from threads and perhaps should be in the Craft Corner thread. :D
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Post by: angie on December 14, 2011, 09:30:46 AM
Well that's disappointing I thought someone would translate to this half German me. Maybe it's to naughty  ;) ;D

Angie :)
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Post by: Hans J on December 14, 2011, 09:50:53 AM
Angie ...I will try it :

"The Cactus man ( Homo individualisticus )
The cactus man does only what makes fun for him and he swim against the tide.
He is a rare example of his race and is threatened with extinction"

I hope it is understandable ...maybe Maggi can help with a better translation

Hans
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Post by: Gerdk on December 14, 2011, 09:54:31 AM
sorry but I cant no resist  ;D

Hans, I know you are gardening in a warmer area - but totally naked?

No problemes with the neighbours?  ;)

Gerd
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Post by: Maggi Young on December 14, 2011, 11:14:35 AM
sorry but I cant no resist  ;D

Hans, I know you are gardening in a warmer area - but totally naked?

No problemes with the neighbours?  ;)

Gerd
Gerd, I hear the neighbours are selling  tickets for the show!  ::) ;D ;D


Angela, I would translate it only a little differently.... The Cactus Man does only what pleases him and is happy to swim against the tide. He's a rare specimen of his kind and is threatened with extinction.

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Post by: Hans J on December 14, 2011, 12:21:59 PM
sorry but I cant no resist  ;D

Hans, I know you are gardening in a warmer area - but totally naked?

No problemes with the neighbours?  ;)

Gerd

Gerd :  :-X :-X :-X
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Post by: Hans J on December 14, 2011, 12:23:16 PM
sorry but I cant no resist  ;D

Hans, I know you are gardening in a warmer area - but totally naked?

No problemes with the neighbours?  ;)

Gerd
Gerd, I hear the neighbours are selling  tickets for the show!  ::) ;D ;D


Angela, I would translate it only a little differently.... The Cactus Man does only what pleases him and is happy to swim against the tide. He's a rare specimen of his kind and is threatened with extinction.



Thank you Maggi !
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Post by: angie on December 14, 2011, 11:15:46 PM
Thanks Maggi. Hate to think I was missing something.


sorry but I cant no resist  ;D

Hans, I know you are gardening in a warmer area - but totally naked?

No problemes with the neighbours?  ;)

Gerd
I am sure once on Gardeners World there was a couple that went around pruning their roses in the nude, can you imagine that,  its sore enough when you get a thorn in your finger  ::) better say no more on this subject  :-X

Angie  :)
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Post by: ranunculus on December 15, 2011, 06:52:37 AM
Thanks Maggi. Hate to think I was missing something.


sorry but I cant no resist  ;D

Hans, I know you are gardening in a warmer area - but totally naked?

No problemes with the neighbours?  ;)

Gerd
I am sure once on Gardeners World there was a couple that went around pruning their roses in the nude, can you imagine that,  its sore enough when you get a thorn in your finger  ::) better say no more on this subject  :-X

Angie  :)


Too many potential jokes there, Angie ... !!!    ;D
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Post by: angie on December 15, 2011, 02:05:45 PM
Thanks Maggi. Hate to think I was missing something.


sorry but I cant no resist  ;D

Hans, I know you are gardening in a warmer area - but totally naked?

No problemes with the neighbours?  ;)

Gerd
I am sure once on Gardeners World there was a couple that went around pruning their roses in the nude, can you imagine that,  its sore enough when you get a thorn in your finger  ::) better say no more on this subject  :-X

Angie  :)


Too many potential jokes there, Angie ... !!!    ;D

Exactly what I thought .  ::) ;D ;D
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Post by: kelaidis on December 23, 2011, 02:26:18 AM
Your conversations are very animated, but have wandered a bit..

I have just come back from a marvellous stint in Southern California, which is rife with spectacular succulent nurseries (literally hundreds), public gardens galore and some pretty snazzy private ones. Here are URL's from two pretty amazing gardens in San Diego that should be of interest to anyone on this thread: (they are posted as slide shows...the FOTKI logo only spins for a second or two so don't despair)...the shock from coming from these back to snowy Colorado is profound!

http://public.fotki.com/Panayoti/laurie-garden/?cmd=fs_slideshow (http://public.fotki.com/Panayoti/laurie-garden/?cmd=fs_slideshow)


http://public.fotki.com/Panayoti/jim-bishop/?cmd=fs_slideshow (http://public.fotki.com/Panayoti/jim-bishop/?cmd=fs_slideshow)
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Post by: ranunculus on December 23, 2011, 08:13:01 AM
Excellent tours of two magnificent gardens, Panayoti ... and you are suitably home for Christmas.   :D
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Post by: TheOnionMan on December 23, 2011, 02:18:01 PM
 :o :o :o Wow, such succulent tours!  Magnificent.  PK, I envy your trip; in the past when I travelled to San Diego area of California (Carlsbad), I had to work the whole time.

My favorite thing in the second slide show is the retaining wall built of bottom-end-out stacked wine bottles; dang... I could've had some impressive retaining walls by now ;D
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Post by: Lesley Cox on December 25, 2011, 08:05:24 PM
Amazing gardens and full of incredible plants only a few of which I recognize. Great love and imagination - and whimsey - have gone into their creation. I really enjoyed these shows even though they're not really my kind of plants. They're so right in that area and climate. My biggest surprise was to see people under umbrellas! At first, I really liked what seemed to be glazed tiles but I guess they were just wet.
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Post by: cohan on December 25, 2011, 09:09:38 PM
A few recent images indoors here--
Mammillaria laui subducta which obligingly flowers over the winter indoors, without watering!
Eriospermum dregei  this is its first leaf with enations, and the first time its making a second leaf- progress!!
Ornithogalum unifoliatum (Penrock seed)- probably Albuca now, and not the usual succulent unifoliatum, but the several seedlings in the pot have kept me in flowers for months!
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Post by: kelaidis on December 27, 2011, 07:58:59 PM
Part of my outdoor Menagerie of fat plants in pots (here mostly cacti). The blooming Cylindropuntia is C. viridiflora (strangely named since the flowers are orange)...
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Post by: cohan on December 28, 2011, 11:34:57 PM
Pics are missing, Panayoti...
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Post by: kelaidis on December 30, 2011, 09:32:00 PM
Thanks for pointing that out, Cohan! I shall post some extras as a bonus!

1) Cylindropuntia viridiflorus, growing in a pot with other hardy cacti near my driveway
2) Pediocactus simpsonii clump at over 8000' on the Flattop mountains last July (in seed: got lots and listed it in NARGS seed exchange!)
3) Barnett Garden in Pueblo: extraordinary garden full of Western American dryland plants. Notice Castilleja here..
4) Another shot of the same. Shouldn't everyone have a cow's skull in their garden?
5) Coryphantha vivipara growing at the very eastern edge of its range in east central Kansas last summer. Quite wet here (25-30" of precip. a year)
6) Echinocereus engelmannii in Pueblo
7) Opuntia fragilis in bloom. I believe this is a Colorado selection
8) The succulent garden at Dick and Ann Bartlett's in Lakewood, Colorado. Dick is past president of NARGS
9) Cacti at the Pueblo Nature Center planted and maintained by Bill Adams, Treasurer of NARGS
10) Large prickly pear (probably Opuntia engelmannii) in the garden of Jeff Thompson, in Pueblo.
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Post by: cohan on January 02, 2012, 06:53:02 AM
Great stuff, Panayoti! I really do envy the cacti you can grow in Colorado! That's okay, though, I will find the things that do grow well here...lol Pedios are at the very top of my hardy cactus list... if only they weren't so sloooow from seed!
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Post by: Hoy on January 02, 2012, 07:24:25 AM
I echo Cohan: Great stuff! Very different from my garden ;)

But you can get a skull!

PS. It is elk/moose (Alces alces).
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Post by: cohan on January 03, 2012, 02:15:05 AM
Ha! yes, some skulls/bones around here too, but no longhorns-- those are extremely rare here, everyone raised hornless breeds and/or treats young ones to stop the horns..
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Post by: hochu on February 17, 2012, 04:08:31 PM
I am also a fan of cactus in the garden. I want to build a complete collection of Hardy-cacti. Thank Panayoti Kelaidis for the seeds of some species.
 In Russia, a very severe winter. So my cacti  - super hardy  :)


 Opuntia
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Post by: Sarmienta on February 17, 2012, 04:31:11 PM
Hochu ....I also have(had :-\) a lot of cacti en Yucca,s.But there,s just Little left now from all you see on the picture.
Some winters were to wet,and some surrounding trees of neighbours did grow ,so there was less sun and too much shade .Now only a few yucca,s and cacti left :'(.................... but soon there,s more space for shade loving plants like Gesneriads, ferns ,Cypripedium etc. ;D
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Post by: hochu on February 17, 2012, 06:45:49 PM
Sarmienta! Do you have an amazing garden! Unfortunately, in my climate yucca can not form a trunk. Frost reaches - 35 degrees Celsius. I have a lot of sun in the summer, and cacti and succulents grow well. But I have planted many trees in a part of my garden.   I also grow Gesneriads, ferns, Cypripediums. By the way, last year I ordered seeds from Chile Sarmienta repens  ;) and Asteranthera ovata. But none of the seed is not risen.
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Post by: ronm on February 17, 2012, 06:59:19 PM
You have grown them beautifully Hochu. A treat to see these wondeful flowers.
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Post by: hochu on February 17, 2012, 07:36:39 PM
Thank you! Here are a few more

Echinocereus reichenbachii..jpg
Echinocereus viridiflorus SB 170.jpg
Maihuenia poeppigi.jpg
Austrocactus dusenii.jpg
Escobria vivipara v.rioripuerka HK 2015.jpg
PEDIOCACTUS knowltonii.jpg
Opuntia phaeacantha var. camanchica.jpg

edit by maggi to show plant names in text
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Post by: kelaidis on February 23, 2012, 05:27:23 PM
Alex: what a treat to see how well you grow cacti: your Opuntia (an aurea var?) is unbelievable. And your P. knowltonii beat mine to pieces! Bravo...more snow today...ugggh.
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Post by: hochu on February 24, 2012, 07:26:21 AM
Thank you, Panayoti! Soon the snow will melt - already spring :)) Yes, the "Pony" - a hybrid O.aurea. I want to say that out of your seed (Echinocereus dasyacanthus) was 1 seedling without chlorophyll. I have grafted him. I hope he will survive.
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Post by: cohan on February 26, 2012, 07:14:40 AM
Nice plants, Alex! Your winter is almost as cold as mine, not quite! Do you have a hot summer? Mine is not, so this is another issue for hardy cacti...
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Post by: hochu on February 26, 2012, 02:44:41 PM
Cohan, thank you. Every winter I have occasional frosts of 30 degrees Celsius. Sometimes at night the temperature reaches minus 36-38 degrees. The absolute minimum is - 42 degrees.   All of my opuntia grow without protection. This year, for example, there is almost no snow, so conditions were harsher usual. And all the others cacti  I have covering from moisture with a piece of polycarbonate. In the summer we have a very dry and hot (35-40 degrees).
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Post by: cohan on February 26, 2012, 11:49:14 PM
So our winter minimums are  close, but your summers are much hotter-- our maximum summer temp is 35C, although I'm not sure if I remember seeing that warm! Usually we get some days 30-32C, last year maybe twice only! And summer is not always dry here- most of our rain comes in June/early July, but can be throughout summer...
In Alberta (not here though) we have native Opuntia fragilis and polyacantha, and Escobaria vivipara, so those are not too hard here; I will try some Echinocereus also, but I will need to make special beds to hold heat for them in summer!
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Post by: cohan on February 27, 2012, 12:04:27 AM
Meanwhile, indoors, Gymnocactus ysabelae (for those of you who believe Gymnocactus belong in Turbinicarpus, its T. somethingorother subsp ysabelae).
Usually it flowers late Jan for me, late this year, flowering last week; 4"/10cm pot
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Post by: hochu on February 27, 2012, 07:28:54 AM
Surprisingly, Escobaria vivipara many times I have planted. But she is always dying in the winter (without protection from moisture). I want to know - what my conditions are different from those in Alberta.
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Post by: kelaidis on February 29, 2012, 05:15:51 AM
We find Escobaria vivipara to be almost indestructible anywhere we put it. I am amazed you have not had better luck. Try it in a rock garden situation south facing? I do well in big troughs. It grows quite a ways into Kansas where it gets lots of rain summer and winter, so it should be one of the easiest!
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Post by: Darren on February 29, 2012, 08:05:07 AM
My experience echos that of Alex.  Even in our relatively mild, but admittedly wet, winters E.vivipara turns to mush. I don't know the origin of the seed I grew mine from but some cactus books say that its resilience is dependant upon the wild population it originates from. Perhaps we need to get seed from plants originating in Kansas!

By the way Alex - nice to see Pediocactus knowltonii, there was a great article on this in the BCSS magazine last year. It is a species I would like to grow.
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Post by: hochu on February 29, 2012, 09:52:32 AM
Panayoti, I have twice left Escobaria vivipara winter in rock garden. But they died in the spring. Now I'm seeding from several populations. I will try again. Maybe I can get the seeds from the most northern population.
 Darren, thank you! Pediocactus knowltonii I grow a winter shelter from the rain. He is very susceptible to decay. This year I will try to keep several copies Pediocactus simpsonii in rock garden. I think that it is more resistant to winter moisture.
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Post by: kelaidis on March 13, 2012, 12:42:07 PM
Just wondering: have you tested soil alkalinity? Many Escobaria grow only on limestone: E. vivipara almost always grows in very alkaline conditions. I think that would help hardiness, along with providing lots of grit and sun.
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Post by: hochu on March 13, 2012, 02:07:59 PM
Thank you, Panayoti, I understand. Grit and sun I have enough :) I will add lime. I do not know. I hope that Pediocactus not need lime?
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Post by: cohan on March 22, 2012, 06:34:52 AM
So far I only have babies of Escobaria vivipara, so I really can't comment on culture, and I have seen exactly one plant in the wild-- I just didn't get far enough (it's in Alberta, but still far from here, many hours driving)! That one plant was in short grassland, on top of a hill.. quite a dry area (otherwise it would not be grassland!), main precipitation there is most likely in early summer, and thunderstorms during summer-- though heavy rain might largely run off without wetting the hill as much... I guess there could be wet times in spring or fall, when its chilly, on occasion, though mid-winter is too cold to be really wet.. this year, there would not have been much snow cover in that region, and a lot of wind, so plants are very exposed... Probably doesn't help that much!
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Post by: ruweiss on April 15, 2012, 09:20:03 PM
Today we suffered from a cold and rainy day, a good reason to visit the Uhlig Cactus and Succulent
Nursery, which had an open day. Sorry, no names for the plants, but I hope, that you like the photos
anyway.
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Post by: ruweiss on April 15, 2012, 09:23:44 PM
More pictures:
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Post by: Maggi Young on April 15, 2012, 10:33:24 PM
Today we suffered from a cold and rainy day, a good reason to visit the Uhlig Cactus and Succulent
Nursery, which had an open day. Sorry, no names for the plants, but I hope, that you like the photos
anyway.

A very good reason indeed, Rudi.... but, you know, I think you might have gone even if the sun was shining to see these beauties! ;)
The colours of the flowers are so very charming.
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Post by: ranunculus on April 15, 2012, 10:43:02 PM
Lovely images, Rudi ... many thanks for posting.
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Post by: cohan on April 16, 2012, 01:37:01 AM
Great stuff! A lot of Rebutias in there- they put on a great show!
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Post by: ruweiss on April 16, 2012, 09:07:21 PM
Thank you for the friendly comments. Cohan, you are right, the Rebutias are real eyecatchers, especially
in bigger numbers.
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Post by: Pauli on May 15, 2012, 06:03:46 PM
Hello,

here a few shots from my collection of hardy cacti. I grow them in an unheated glasshouse. Teperatures regulary fall to -15C, last winter even -17C. During sunny days in frosty periods temperatures can reach 10C while outside it is -10C.

Overview of my collection (mostly Echinocerei)
Gymno. neuhuberi which is beautifully colored (at least for a Gymno) and fully hardy under glass
Austroc. bertinii
Echinocereus coccineus nigrihorridispinus
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Post by: hochu on May 15, 2012, 06:57:24 PM
Amazing color of the corolla in austrocactus! I have coffee color they are.
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Post by: WimB on June 01, 2012, 05:46:26 PM
These cacti grow here in a trough, unprotected in summer and winter, in pure sand...they survived a frost of -18°C this year without any problem!

Echinocereus triglochidiatus (in bud)
Echinocereus viridiflorus
and Escobaria missouriensis var. asperispina
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Post by: cohan on June 06, 2012, 09:31:16 PM
 Pauli- nice collection! I don't know that Gymnocalycium- very hardy sp!

Wim- nice ones, love the colours of Echinocerus viridiflorus and Escobaria missouriensis :)
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Post by: WimB on June 10, 2012, 08:40:39 AM
Thanks Cohan,

Echinocereus triglochidiatus was flowering here this week, together with Echinocereus baileyi subsp. alibispinus!
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 24, 2012, 09:11:20 PM
Very nice plants Wim and Herbert ! The Austrocactus is a real gem and it is not common in cultivation !

Here just a small selection of flowering plants.....

To start with the dwarf and beautiful Mammillaria luethyi , maybe the best Mammillaria ever .
Further good old Notocactus scopa .
Some small Rebutia species
And Echinocereus triglochidiatus subsp. inermis
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Post by: ruweiss on September 05, 2012, 09:40:28 PM
In the wall of a Ligurian Villa in Imperia I found to my amazement
this Aloe arborescens growing out of a crevice with many aerial roots.
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Post by: Maggi Young on September 05, 2012, 10:00:55 PM
In the wall of a Ligurian Villa in Imperia I found to my amazement
this Aloe arborescens growing out of a crevice with many aerial roots.

spectacular!  8)
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Post by: Leon on October 07, 2012, 08:16:44 AM

Last year I built a raised bed for cacti and succulents  I planted a few of my supposedly hardy cacti in the bed, they survived the winter and bloomed this year.   Maybe I should have given more thought in the design of the raised bed.  It ended up looking like a giant casket.


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Echinocererus triglochidiatus concanthus 


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Echinocereus fendleri


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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 14, 2012, 10:07:30 PM
Ophthalmophyllum praesectum in flower. Have 3 plants and they al flower for the moment .It is a relative of the better known Lithops .
Some botanist say it is Conophytum praesectum but I think there is anough difference between this two genera ....
It is a bit tricky and don't like to much water ....
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Post by: Leon on October 15, 2012, 06:21:28 AM
Kris,

You seem to have good luck with that class of succulents.  I have tried Lithops and a Lithops/Dinterops cross from seed.  I generally get good germination and  I water very little but it is probably still too much. I have never raised a bloom size plant.  Congrats.
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Post by: Leon on October 16, 2012, 04:33:46 AM
I only grow a few succulents in my outside cactus bed.  One is Kalanchoe Beharensis which I have to dig and bring inside.  I recently dug the plant however it has not yet made it into the house.  The other is a Yucca.  This is the cultivar 'Kaleidoscope'.  It has some rather unusual coloration


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Yucca Kaleidoscope


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Kalanchoe Beharensis
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 16, 2012, 06:47:19 PM
Kris,
You seem to have good luck with that class of succulents.  I have tried Lithops and a Lithops/Dinterops cross from seed.  I generally get good germination and  I water very little but it is probably still too much. I have never raised a bloom size plant.  Congrats.

Thanks Leon . They need as much sun as possible and a long dry period.Here they get no water at al from october until the end of may. In this period (wintertime) I kept them cool and frostfree. From may until september they get only 4 or max. 5 times water.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 20, 2012, 07:03:10 PM
Lithops season 2012   ...and the Cono's to ...(pics 4&5) 
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Post by: Leon on October 22, 2012, 02:01:03 PM
Kris,
The Conophytum is magnificent.  I am really not familiar with that plant, I assume the cultivation is about the same as Lithops?

Leon 
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 23, 2012, 09:11:15 PM
Kris,
The Conophytum is magnificent.  I am really not familiar with that plant, I assume the cultivation is about the same as Lithops?
Leon 


Thanks again Leon. Cultivation is almost the same but the growing season here is a bit later .Lithops start to grow in our country around the end of june .Conophytum starts here around august and needs a bit moisture in our wintertime ...
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Post by: Darren on October 24, 2012, 08:20:33 AM
Same here Kris. I start to water conos in late July right through until the late autumn when they are allowed to almost dry out and they stay just moist until March when I give them a little more water until mid April then dry them off completely until july. When in growth they get much more water than Lithops.

Is your plant C. lithopsoides?
 

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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 24, 2012, 06:51:55 PM
Same here Kris. I start to water conos in late July right through until the late autumn when they are allowed to almost dry out and they stay just moist until March when I give them a little more water until mid April then dry them off completely until july. When in growth they get much more water than Lithops.
Is your plant C. lithopsoides?


Almost the same schedule as I use Darren . You are right , they like to have more water then Lithops.
Don't think it is  C. lithopsoides? Must check it tomorrow in daylight .
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 28, 2012, 09:40:56 PM
More "mesems" are flowering .

1- Bilobe Conophytums
2- Pleiospilos compactus
3- Frithia humilis (minima )
4 & 5 overview   
6 Ophthalmophyllum praesectum once again
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Post by: ranunculus on October 28, 2012, 09:55:12 PM
A stunning display, Kris.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 28, 2012, 10:11:16 PM
A stunning display, Kris.

Thanks Cliff ! Very rewarding this little ones ....
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Post by: Leon on October 29, 2012, 04:18:51 AM
Kris,
Those plants are very impressive and the photos make me want to try them. But I can't afford the time for another obsession.
Leon
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 29, 2012, 08:26:36 PM
Kris,
Those plants are very impressive and the photos make me want to try them. But I can't afford the time for another obsession.
Leon


Thanks Leon . I grow : alpines (in the garden and in the glashouse) , bulbs ,cactus ,succulents , hardy orchids....
From al this categories , the  mesems (Lithops, Cono' s and the others)  gets  the least attention of all ! They never been very demanding , you don't have to pay much attention to them . Only in the autumn to enjoy the flowers 8)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 29, 2012, 08:35:36 PM
Frithia pulchra 'Jewel of the Magaliesberg'
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 30, 2012, 07:07:10 PM
Is your plant C. lithopsoides?

You got sharp eyes Darren ! Ofcourse you are right about the name. I bought it as Conophytum koubergense but now I see that this name is a synonym of Conophytum lithops .
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Post by: Darren on October 31, 2012, 08:10:21 AM
I thought it looked like my lithopsoides koubergense Kris.

I'm very interested in Conos and have quite a lot. Lithops I find more difficult but am starting to have more success with them.

I am enjoying your pictures :)

The Frithia pulchra is very impressive. I used to grow this but found it needs a very warm day before the flowers open so in a UK summer often the flowers never opened at all.  Frithia humilis flowers more reliably for me.

Your list of interests sounds very much like mine ;D
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 01, 2012, 04:16:58 PM
I'm very interested in Conos and have quite a lot. Lithops I find more difficult but am starting to have more success with them.

Hi Darren , for me it was the opposite ... I start with Lithops and they do well ...Later on I tried Conos but I had never great succes with it .. In recent years I begin to have more succes with the Conos to . They need a bit more water and also later in the season. I keep the Lithops in the unshaded glashouse in full sun al year round but have to watch my Conos more carefully . They could manage with less sun ...
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 01, 2012, 04:19:50 PM
The Frithia pulchra is very impressive. I used to grow this but found it needs a very warm day before the flowers open so in a UK summer often the flowers never opened at all.  Frithia humilis flowers more reliably for me.
Your list of interests sounds very much like mine ;D

I have the same experience here Darren . But sometimes you have luck and a sunny day to . 8)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 01, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
I am enjoying your pictures :)

Thanks Darren , in that case I could post a few more  ;D

Your list of interests sounds very much like mine ;D


Interesting Darren , then you have the same problems to I suppose ? ;D
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Post by: Maggi Young on November 01, 2012, 04:30:46 PM
Tuin en Kas 2012 (26 of 90).jpg : this planting is as pretty as a picture!
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Post by: johnw on November 02, 2012, 12:36:20 AM
Kris   - Your mesembs are incredible.   I was mad about them in my early 20's.  Lithops were not so difficult (except to identify properly) but they rarely flowered for me.  Here at latitude 44-something the Conophytums were a disaster; they would grow at the darkest time of year and etiolate.  It amazes me how true to form your plants are, and those for that matter of other growers in the UK.

johnw
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Post by: Darren on November 02, 2012, 08:46:36 AM
Wow Kris - those trays of Lithops are amazing!

Here is a picture of part of my Conophytum collection, at this time of year:



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Post by: Darren on November 02, 2012, 08:50:08 AM

 

Interesting Darren , then you have the same problems to I suppose ? ;D

You mean lack of space?  ;D Not to mention lack of time because I have to go to work... 
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2012, 09:20:00 AM
You mean lack of space?  ;D Not to mention lack of time because I have to go to work...

That's exactly what I mean Darren. !
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2012, 09:23:52 AM
Kris   - Your mesembs are incredible.   I was mad about them in my early 20's.  Lithops were not so difficult (except to identify properly) but they rarely flowered for me.  Here at latitude 44-something the Conophytums were a disaster; they would grow at the darkest time of year and etiolate.  It amazes me how true to form your plants are, and those for that matter of other growers in the UK.
johnw

Thanks John .I grow them really hard  : no feeding , no repotting unless it is absolutely necessary , only 5 times water each year , ful sun , in winter a very dry rest and low temperatures and never shading in the glashouse. Most Lithops I grew from seed wich came directly from South Africa (professor A. Cole )
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2012, 09:24:34 AM
Wow Kris - those trays of Lithops are amazing!
Here is a picture of part of my Conophytum collection, at this time of year:

Very impressive to Darren . How old are those plants ?
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Post by: Darren on November 02, 2012, 10:44:52 AM
The biggest would have been around 7 or 8 years old,  when the picture was taken. The bigger cushions of some start to deteriorate of flower poorly after that and get re-started from cuttings. The nice cushion of C.hians (upper right of picture) is still looking good but patches occasionally die off or scorch.



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Post by: ranunculus on November 02, 2012, 11:03:19 AM
Very interesting postings, Darren and Kris ... and super images.
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Post by: Darren on November 02, 2012, 12:35:23 PM
Thanks Cliff  :)

Conophytum are great plants for me as they take up little space and have nearly the same requirements and watering timetable as my Cape bulbs. I wish I could grow Lithops as well as Kris does!

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Post by: Leon on November 02, 2012, 06:18:38 PM
Thanks John .I grow them really hard  : only 5 times water each year ,

I am definitely over-watering.  Would you treat seedlings the same way?
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2012, 08:16:37 PM
I am definitely over-watering.  Would you treat seedlings the same way?

Seedlings stays fairly moist during the first year Leon .But after the second year (after pricking out )they get the same hard conditions ...
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 02, 2012, 08:18:21 PM
Very interesting postings, Darren and Kris ... and super images.

Thanks Cliff . If you have good models then it is easy to make good pictures  ::)
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Post by: Rogan on November 05, 2012, 07:02:39 AM
I have just returned from a journey to my future home in the southern Cape; these are some of the succulents I saw en route:

#1 Scores of Muiria hortenseae (Gibbaeum hortenseae) at the foot of a fence post;

#2 Gibbaeum petrense at the foot of another fence post;

#3 Two common Gibbaeum's in the area - G. petrense and G. album.

The Little karoo was experiencing a spell of cool, rainy weather at the time, hence the saturated colours and wet succulents!
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Post by: ranunculus on November 05, 2012, 07:26:20 AM
Wonderful and totally desirable, Rogan.  Many thanks for posting.
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Post by: fleurbleue on November 05, 2012, 09:43:27 AM
Amazing pictures for us, Rogan  ;D Thank you  ;)
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Post by: cohan on November 07, 2012, 08:10:18 AM
Great images, Kris, Darren and Rogan- really love to see these growing in habitat- quite different from what grows around my fenceposts!

I keep intending to get Cono seed but still haven't!
John, I think one of the keys growing the wintergrowers in the north is to try to get them to initiate growth in fall when there is still more sun so there is not so much etiolation...
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Post by: Tom Waters on November 11, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
Aeonium hierrense, endemic to the island of El Hierro. These plants were started from seed nearly 2 years ago.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 27, 2012, 08:46:48 PM
I have just returned from a journey to my future home in the southern Cape; these are some of the succulents I saw en route:
#1 Scores of Muiria hortenseae (Gibbaeum hortenseae) at the foot of a fence post;
#2 Gibbaeum petrense at the foot of another fence post;
#3 Two common Gibbaeum's in the area - G. petrense and G. album.
The Little karoo was experiencing a spell of cool, rainy weather at the time, hence the saturated colours and wet succulents!

Sorry , overlooked this great pictures . Wow , stunning Rogan !  :o :o :o
Thanks for sharing . Especially like the masses of Muiria ! In cultivation in Europe it keeps a very rare species .And difficult to grow here to .
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Post by: Leon on December 04, 2012, 01:41:22 AM
Seedlings stays fairly moist during the first year Leon .But after the second year (after pricking out )they get the same hard conditions ...

Re:Conophytum
Kris, I received Conophytum and Lithops seed this last week along with about 15 species of hardy Echinocereus and Escobaria. I also got a package of Epicacti seed.  I just need to get them planted and on the grow table.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on December 08, 2012, 08:36:19 PM
Kris, I received Conophytum and Lithops seed this last week along with about 15 species of hardy Echinocereus and Escobaria. I also got a package of Epicacti seed.  I just need to get them planted and on the grow table. [/font][/size][/color]

Good news Leon . Give it a try ! In a few years there are more Cono's to see  on this forum .... :D
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on December 08, 2012, 08:40:40 PM
Fenestraria rhopalophylla ssp. aurantiaca 'Fireworth' is in flower for a couple of weeks now ...
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Post by: johnw on December 09, 2012, 02:44:53 AM
Rogan - I am blown away by your fence post settings.

and Chris / Leon Where is the best source for seeds of Gbbs, Conos, Lithops, Fenestrarias amd Frithias? I'm trying to convince a friend with a gigantic greenhouse to develop a collection.  At the moment he's focused on suicidal Stapeliads.

johnw - +11c and rain at 22:40
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on December 09, 2012, 08:54:50 AM
Rogan - I am blown away by your fence post settings.

and Chris / Leon Where is the best source for seeds of Gbbs, Conos, Lithops, Fenestrarias amd Frithias? I'm trying to convince a friend with a gigantic greenhouse to develop a collection.  At the moment he's focused on suicidal Stapeliads.

johnw - +11c and rain at 22:40

Hi John , oh yes please convince him  ;D Best source I think is  Mesa Garden (Steven Brack )  :
http://www.mesagarden.com/mj2012.html (http://www.mesagarden.com/mj2012.html)
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Post by: johnw on December 09, 2012, 01:59:12 PM
Kris

Yes but they only have Lithops.  No Gibbs, Conos or fens. Good grief I was only on the page J-Z!  Their inventory is gigantic!

Is Kordes still kicking in Germany? I can't seem to get a hit on google?

There's a fellow in the UK, a Mr. NE Brown, who has some wonderful videos of Mesembs on youtube.  Sadly no one posts comments to him.

johnw
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Post by: Hans J on December 09, 2012, 03:13:44 PM
JohnW :

 I think you mean Koehres ...not Kordes  ;D ( Kordes sells roses ):
http://www.koehres-kaktus.de/shop/index.php (http://www.koehres-kaktus.de/shop/index.php)

I know Koehres since more than 30 years ...Kohres senior has given now his buisness to Bettina Kohres - his daughter

A other very good adress for seeds is :
http://www.succseed.com/1.html (http://www.succseed.com/1.html)
This is Mats Winberg ...a nice friend of me

Hans
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Post by: johnw on December 09, 2012, 03:17:22 PM
I wondered why they switched to roses!  ;D

Thanks Hans.

johnw
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Post by: Hans J on December 09, 2012, 03:34:33 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Leon on December 10, 2012, 12:35:20 AM
Chris / Leon Where is the best source for seeds of Gbbs, Conos, Lithops, Fenestrarias amd Frithias? I'm trying to convince a friend with a gigantic greenhouse to develop a collection.

Yes John, Kris is right.  I got my seed from Mesa Garden/Steven Brack.  His extensive seed list focuses only on cacti and succulents.  I placed my order the last week of November and received the seeds only 5 days later.  Yesterday I got a seed catalog from Alplains.  That seedlist is broader by including many species across various play types rather than only focusing only on cacti and succulents. 

Along with the Lithops I decided to try a pack of hybrid Lithops/Dinterops. Have any of you tried this?  What should I expect? I assume that they will also want very limited water.
   
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Post by: Leon on December 15, 2012, 12:04:08 AM
This past Sunday I planted the entire seed order.  Since then the pots have been under a plastic cover and bathed in artificial light with bottom heat.  Tonight is the first time I have had time to look at them. The photo below shows seedlings of Conophytum.  I can see only a few; the large size of the seedlings is surprising considering how small the seeds were.   I will give them another week or so then begin to allow air flow under the cover so the pots can begin to dry out.

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Conophytum seedlings.
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Post by: Maggi Young on December 15, 2012, 10:47:08 AM
My word, Leon - that was FAST!
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Post by: johnw on December 15, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
Wow Leon, they even look like Conophytums at this early stage!

johnw
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Post by: Leon on December 16, 2012, 04:04:31 AM
Wow Leon, they even look like Conophytums at this early stage!

johnw

John, Yes.  I noticed that also.  Conophytum is one of many genera that I have not had the opportunity to study.  I wonder if this is a very primitive plant type.  It looks like the cotyledons might persist to become the body of the plant.  The seed pack I received is a mix of various species within the genus.  I will watch these closely as they grow to see how the plants develop. 
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on December 30, 2012, 07:50:10 PM
Today in flower : Cerochlamys pachyphylla . 
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Post by: ranunculus on December 30, 2012, 07:51:27 PM
Superb, Kris.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on December 30, 2012, 07:56:19 PM
Thanks Cliff ! It is growing in the "Little Karoo " in South Africa .  (and in Rumst to  ;)  )
Cerochlamys = from the Greek "Kero  " meaning wax and "chlamys" meaning cloak .The name refers to the waxy coating of the leaves ....
Cerochlamys has only one species ....

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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on December 30, 2012, 08:00:16 PM
Another one that is nearly in flower : Argyroderma .
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Post by: ruweiss on January 03, 2013, 09:27:44 PM
Some pictures from the Wilhelma at Stuttgart
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 03, 2013, 09:42:04 PM
Some pictures from the Wilhelma at Stuttgart

Some grown up species Rudi . Very nice to see. Remind me to my first years of growing cacti and succulents when we visit a lot of those collections and gardens ...
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on January 03, 2013, 09:44:47 PM
A very wooly little thing ....Mammillaria plumosa ....should be flowering now , but is not reliable here  in flowering.
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Post by: ruweiss on January 04, 2013, 09:43:51 PM
Kris, thank you for your reply. The Wilhelma collecton of succulent plants has grown
from year to year and is in an excellent condition. We are glad to have such a fine
place near to us.
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Post by: Leon on January 06, 2013, 10:34:03 PM
A very wooly little thing ....Mammillaria plumosa ....should be flowering now , but is not reliable here  in flowering.

Kris,

Mammillaria plumosa has not flowered for me either.  My plant appears about the same overall mass as yours but with fewer divisions.  I am not sure what it wants me to do for it.  It does look nice and rather unusual even without bloom. 

Leon
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Post by: cohan on March 01, 2013, 07:08:24 PM
Kris- that Mammillaria is very plumose indeed!
I still keep meaning to get some cono seed, but never seem to get seed ordered in fall... I wonder if I would have any luck sowing them in early spring? I know my Eriospermum is okay growing most of the summer here, only taking a break of around 1 month/6 weeks..
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on March 11, 2013, 02:53:45 PM
Kris- that Mammillaria is very plumose indeed!
I still keep meaning to get some cono seed, but never seem to get seed ordered in fall... I wonder if I would have any luck sowing them in early spring? I know my Eriospermum is okay growing most of the summer here, only taking a break of around 1 month/6 weeks..

Hi Cohan . It is in my opinion no problem to sow them in (early )spring .My period of sowing (many years ago) was always  end january /beginning of february. The only thing : they need a long (first)growing season , they must be big enough to survive there first winter. (less moisture and less light .....) 
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Post by: K-D Keller on April 06, 2013, 09:48:22 PM
Cacti season starts.

First is Pediocactus simpsonii.
The Kalanchoes are beautiful weeds in all pots. Growing from adventitious plantlets on the leaves, even in wet pots of carnivorus plants.


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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on April 06, 2013, 10:24:07 PM
Cacti season starts.
First is Pediocactus simpsonii.
The Kalanchoes are beautiful weeds in all pots. Growing from adventitious plantlets on the leaves, even in wet pots of carnivorus plants.

Great Pediocactus K-D. Very  nice flowers . Do you grow this on his own roots ?
(and unheated ?) 
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Post by: K-D Keller on April 07, 2013, 08:12:53 PM
Great Pediocactus K-D. Very  nice flowers . Do you grow this on his own roots ?
(and unheated ?) 

Yes, I grow Pediocactus from seed on his own roots. In a frost free greenhouse not colder than 0 to -1C.
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Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 09, 2013, 09:07:54 AM
At the recent FCHS Plant Lovers' Fair I bought some cuttings from Attila Kapitany. After a month they all appear to have rooted - so now I just need to get them identified!
I know that the one with long thin leaves next to the label is a calandrinia and the club shaped one is an euphorbia.
Any other suggestions?
cheers
fermi
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Post by: ThomasB on April 12, 2013, 04:24:14 PM
A bit late as Easter was quite early this year, some Easter cacti are flowering. These are just tiny pots but all of them have a lot of buds/flowers - a white one and a pink one are a bit behind and still in bud.
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Post by: ruweiss on April 13, 2013, 09:13:25 PM
Last Weekend our Cactus and Succulent Plant Club VKW had its annual
Cactus and Succulent Show with Plant Sale at Korb near Stuttgart.
There was a good offer of fat pants, home plants and some Alpines.
One of the highlights was a grafted cristate form of Pachypodium brevicaule
but the price of €2oo was not quite cheap.


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Post by: Gail on April 13, 2013, 10:08:41 PM
Some amazing-looking plants there Rudi!
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Post by: Peter II on April 15, 2013, 10:39:01 AM
Hallo Rudi,
die Plapp's waren doch bestimmt auch dort. Hatten die Stapelia glanduliflora im Angebot?
Hat jemand White-sloanea crassa im Angebot?
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Post by: ruweiss on April 15, 2013, 09:51:40 PM
Hallo Peter, die Plapps waren wie immer gern gesehener Gast bei der Korber Börse,
ich weiß aber leider nicht, ob er die Stapelia im Angebot hatte. Am besten mal anrufen.
Wegen der anderen Pflanze muß ich mich mal umschauen.
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Post by: ruweiss on April 16, 2013, 08:59:01 PM
Peter, I would recommend you to contact Dr. U. Tränkle and Dr. F. Hübner, they have an
enormous collection of Ascleps. See their homepage www.asclepidarium.de (http://www.asclepidarium.de)
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Post by: K-D Keller on April 30, 2013, 10:13:32 PM
New pictures

    Echinocereus viridiflorus
    Mammillaria elongata var rufocrocea
    Mammillaria elongata var stella-aurata
    Mammillaria spinosissima
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Post by: K-D Keller on April 30, 2013, 10:16:24 PM
    Aloe descoingsii flower
    Aloe descoingsii plant
    Echinocereus reichenbachii
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Post by: Maggi Young on April 30, 2013, 10:22:42 PM
Super plants, K-D.
I have added the names to the text so the search facility can find them.
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Post by: Corrado & Rina on May 01, 2013, 09:08:32 PM
Echinofossulocactus erectocentrus SB1565
(from North of Tanquecillos, Nuevo Leon, Mexico)

PS: The cactus still has the original label of the supplier and is misnamed as Stenocactus erectocentrus SB1565 (which does not exist).

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Post by: Peter II on May 11, 2013, 10:58:44 AM
Hallo Rudi,

Friedericke Hübner und ihren Mann kenne ich schon einige Jahre persönlich. Das Angebot ist bekannt.
Bei der JHV der IG-Ascleps verkaufen die viel bessere Sachen. Aber Stapelia glanduliflora und White-sloanea crassa bieten sie auch nicht an. Sind eben keine 08/15-Pflazen.
 
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Post by: ruweiss on June 15, 2013, 09:26:17 PM
Our cacti enjoy the sunshine and the higher temperatures
after the unusal cold and wet spring. We grow them in pots
and they spend wintertime totally dry in the unheated Alpine House.

    Echinocereus polyacanthus.jpg
    Echinocereus reichenbachii v. albispinus.jpg
    Echinocereus triglochidiatus.jpg
    Echinocereus viridiflorus.jpg
    Gymnocalycium bruchii.jpg
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 15, 2013, 10:43:12 PM
Our cacti enjoy the sunshine and the higher temperatures
after the unusal cold and wet spring. We grow them in pots
and they spend wintertime totally dry in the unheated Alpine House.

    Echinocereus polyacanthus.jpg
    Echinocereus reichenbachii v. albispinus.jpg
    Echinocereus triglochidiatus.jpg
    Echinocereus viridiflorus.jpg
    Gymnocalycium bruchii.jpg

Very nice Rudi !

Here many cacti in flower .....

Wan't to show you Mammillaria theresae and Ferocactus stainesii ...The small cactus with the big flower and the big cactus with the small flower ...   
And to end Echinocereus lindsayi .
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Post by: ruweiss on June 17, 2013, 09:07:09 PM
Wow, thanks for showing us these fine plants, Mammillaria theresae is really
amazing, I must look for this outstanding plant.
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Post by: Maggi Young on June 17, 2013, 09:51:08 PM
A trio of smart cactus  at an English show:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10595.msg279109#msg279109 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10595.msg279109#msg279109)
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Post by: FrazerHenderson on June 23, 2013, 01:10:49 PM
Some of my alpine rebutia collection flowering in the glasshouse

    Rebutia krainziana
    Rebutia muscula
    Rebutia perplexa
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Post by: johnw on June 23, 2013, 03:31:29 PM
Amazing to see such well-grown and clean Rebutias Frazer.  Mine are magnets for spider mites it seems.

Visited a friend in the Annapolis Valley last week  - a suuculent nut aside from other addictions.

johnw
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Post by: johnw on June 23, 2013, 03:33:53 PM
And a few more of his plants:
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Post by: johnw on June 23, 2013, 03:43:52 PM
And the week before I had a chance to pop in to the Rock Garden of the Nova Scotia Chapter of NARGS in Truro, NS.  Truro has one of the coldest winters in all of NS, when Halifax sees a December low of -2 or -3 they can be downto -17c or lower.  In the record winter of 1993 I think they appraoched -40c.  Have scads of pix of the whole garden; this was my first visit in 5 years and I was greatly impressed by the headway that has been made - hats off to Darwin, head gardener.

The Delosperma nubigerum Gold Nugget is the most dependable there as it tolerates wet winters.

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Post by: ranunculus on June 23, 2013, 03:45:57 PM
Excellent.
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Post by: Maggi Young on June 23, 2013, 04:23:36 PM
And the week before I had a chance to pop in to the Rock Garden of the Nova Scotia Chapter of NARGS in Truro, NS.  Truro has one of the coldest winters in all of NS, when Halifax sees a December low of -2 or -3 they can be down to -17c or lower.  In the record winter of 1993 I think they approached -40c.  Have scads of pix of the whole garden; this was my first visit in 5 years and I was greatly impressed by the headway that has been made - hats off to Darwin, head gardener.

The Delosperma nubigerum Gold Nugget is the most dependable there as it tolerates wet winters.


I think there will be many who are astonished that such plants can survive those temperatures!
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 24, 2013, 09:40:19 PM
Wow, thanks for showing us these fine plants, Mammillaria theresae is really
amazing, I must look for this outstanding plant.

Hi Rudi , maybe you can try Piltz Kakteeen .....
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Post by: K-D Keller on June 27, 2013, 10:22:49 AM
Cacti flowers from June:

Cleistocactus ritteri
Cleistocactus strausii
Echinocereus rigidissimus var rubispinus
Mammillaria albicans
Gymnocalycium andreae two year old seedlings

Great Echinocereus triglochidiatus and E. polyacanthus Rudi my E. triglochidiatus has only one flower every year.

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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 27, 2013, 08:47:35 PM
Nice K-D .
Here Acanthocalycium variiflorum in flower ....
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Post by: Roma on July 01, 2013, 09:09:48 PM
Echinocereus pectinatus v. rubispinus
It produces one flower regularly every year.  Sometimes I miss it because it is on an upstairs windowsill and I don't go there except when watering plants.  I've been promising the poor thing a repot for years .  Maybe next year.
Monanthes muralis
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 04, 2013, 10:09:50 PM
Echinocereus pectinatus v. rubispinus
It produces one flower regularly every year.  Sometimes I miss it because it is on an upstairs windowsill and I don't go there except when watering plants.  I've been promising the poor thing a repot for years .  Maybe next year.
Monanthes muralis

The fact that you grow cacti surprise me Roma. It's certainly one of the best cacti with great flowers .
Here one from South America : Horridocactus horridus ssp. robusta .
I grew it from seed many years ago ...
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 17, 2013, 10:17:59 PM
Flowers are 10 cm wide ...........Helianthocereus grandiflorus .
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Post by: tozi on July 22, 2013, 03:45:50 PM
Some photos from our collection.  :)
Adenium obesum
Turbinicarpus krainzianus var. minimus
Anacampseros baeseckii var. crinita
Crassula ausensis var. titanopsis
Gymnocactus viereckii
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Post by: ruweiss on July 25, 2013, 09:53:36 PM
Some time ago we visited a nursery of hardy cactii, succulents and
companion plants .
We had a nice time seeing so many fine plants and meeting
the friendly owner.
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Post by: ruweiss on July 25, 2013, 10:01:18 PM
More pictures:
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Post by: K-D Keller on July 26, 2013, 09:24:45 PM
Three yellow flowering cacti: Echinocereus subinermis and Notocactus ottonis are in flower now. Mammillaria baumii blossomed last week.
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Post by: tozi on July 26, 2013, 09:28:19 PM
Beautiful plants (especially echinocereus). But I see there also beautiful Adromischus.  ;)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 26, 2013, 09:33:55 PM
Some time ago we visited a nursery of hardy cactii, succulents and
companion plants .
We had a nice time seeing so many fine plants and meeting
the friendly owner.

Very beautiful and interesting Rudi ! Is it possible to tel me where it was ?   
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Post by: christian pfalz on July 27, 2013, 11:58:18 AM
hello rudi, hello kris,
i mean it was hans graf, he had a very good collection, especially hardy yucca growing from seed.....
cheers
chris
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Post by: ruweiss on July 27, 2013, 10:27:15 PM
Hi Kris and Christian, Christian is right. We were at the nursery of Hans Graf at Oettingen
in Bavaria. His offer of seed raised succulent plants is simply amazing and we always have
a nice time during our annual visit. www.kakteengarten.de (http://www.kakteengarten.de)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 28, 2013, 08:59:06 AM
Hi Kris and Christian, Christian is right. We were at the nursery of Hans Graf at Oettingen
in Bavaria. His offer of seed raised succulent plants is simply amazing and we always have
a nice time during our annual visit. www.kakteengarten.de (http://www.kakteengarten.de)

Thanks Rudi and Christian ! A good idea to visit his nursery in the future .... :D
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Post by: Pete Clarke on July 29, 2013, 09:11:45 PM
Sulcorebutia augustinii HU152. A nice cold hardy pink flowered miniature.
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Post by: ruweiss on August 19, 2013, 09:35:49 PM
Flowering now:
Hildewintera colademononis
Astrophytum myriostigma
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on August 19, 2013, 09:51:56 PM
Flowering now:
Hildewintera colademononis
Astrophytum myriostigma

Stunning Hildewintera Rudi  ! It is stil not that common , but the flowers  (and also the whole  plant )are very beautiful .
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Post by: Maggi Young on August 19, 2013, 10:11:38 PM
Quote
Quote from: ruweiss on Today at 09:35:49 PM

    Flowering now:
    Hildewintera colademononis
    Astrophytum myriostigma

Wonderful plant Rudi -  I liked Hans' specimen  http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10756.msg281457#msg281457 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10756.msg281457#msg281457)

I was not expecting such large flowers on the Hildewintera. Very nice.
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Post by: ruweiss on August 20, 2013, 09:47:20 PM
Maggi and Kris,
Thank you for your friendly comment.
As i have no heated greenhouse I cultivate my plant in a hanging
basket under an overhang protected from rain at our balcony during
the frost free season.The plant looks always quite poor at the end
of winter but since a friend of our cactus club recommended me not
to save water and feeding we are quite satisfied with this plant.





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Post by: ruweiss on September 07, 2013, 09:34:47 PM
Some caudex-plants enjoy their summer stay in the corner of
the alpine house. Kedrostis africanus is very vigorous, the shots
(up to 3 meters) grow through the open sides up to the roof.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on September 17, 2013, 09:29:21 PM
Some caudex-plants enjoy their summer stay in the corner of
the alpine house. Kedrostis africanus is very vigorous, the shots
(up to 3 meters) grow through the open sides up to the roof.

Beautiful Rudi .

Here Loxanthocereus eulalianus is flowering .
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 10, 2013, 09:16:03 PM
Juttadinteria insolita (sown 1992)  (pics 1 & 2 )

Gibaeum nebrownii  (3)

Conophytum pellucidum (4)

Conophytum sp. (lost the label ...) (5)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 10, 2013, 09:17:59 PM
Lithops .........(sown in 1992 )
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Post by: Darren on October 11, 2013, 07:24:07 AM
Kris, your lost label Conophytum looks very like C. frutescens with those rather orange flowers. What puzzles me is that frutescens is usually one of the earliest to flower (in July with me).

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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 11, 2013, 09:34:30 PM
Kris, your lost label Conophytum looks very like C. frutescens with those rather orange flowers. What puzzles me is that frutescens is usually one of the earliest to flower (in July with me).

Thanks Darren , you could be right . I think he is much earlier in most years and that maybe could solve the last issue ... Maybe I could find pictures from other years and so I am able to check flowering dates ...
Lost labels , a problem we al have to deal with ........
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Post by: johnw on October 31, 2013, 01:30:20 AM
This was a bit of a surprise 10 days ago.  The plant is ancient and got repotted in 2012, the first time in at least 10 years.  I was rather shocked at the size of the flower.

Leuchtenbergia principis.

johnw
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Post by: johnw on October 31, 2013, 01:42:38 AM
Does anyone know the name of this Echeveria and if it can be propagated by leaf cuttings.  It's almost 30cm across and something tells me these big ones do not propagate that way, only by beheading.

johnw
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Post by: Armin on November 01, 2013, 08:37:50 PM
This was a bit of a surprise 10 days ago.  The plant is ancient and got repotted in 2012, the first time in at least 10 years.  I was rather shocked at the size of the flower.
Leuchtenbergia principis.
johnw

Congratulation John, very  8) 8) 8)
The good old thing rewarded you for the repotting!
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Post by: johnw on November 02, 2013, 12:43:41 AM
Congratulation John, very  8) 8) 8)The good old thing rewarded you for the repotting!

But Armin as you can see it is already bending the pot.  It doesn't want another 9 years in my care I guess.   ::)

johnw
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Post by: Armin on November 02, 2013, 05:15:05 PM
True - sawy it as a silent cry for more space and fresh nutrients  ;) ;D
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 03, 2013, 09:25:55 PM
Some more Lithops .......
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 03, 2013, 09:27:38 PM
And last ones  ....
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Post by: johnw on November 03, 2013, 09:35:11 PM
Kris  - Does your greenhouse stretch all the way to Wommelgem?

Fabulously grown Mesembs. Where do you find the sunlight?

johnw
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 03, 2013, 09:39:11 PM
Kris  - Does your greenhouse stretch all the way to Wommelgem?
Fabulously grown Mesembs. Where do you find the sunlight?
johnw

 :) :D  You know Wommelgem John ? That sounds interesting ..........
Thanks for the compliment , actually they are by far the less demanding plants of my collection and garden ...
When I visit some mediterrenean countrys , I bring some Sunshine home with me ....No we had a really good summer this year .
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Post by: johnw on November 04, 2013, 02:27:49 AM
:) :D  You know Wommelgem John ? That sounds interesting ..........

Not really Kris but going from Schoten to Leuven in the 80's I had an uncanny knack for winding up in Wommelgem and going round & round in circles to get back on track when in fact I should have been passing your place.  Friends would say repeat after me 'wommelgemomgelegdeverkeersweg' or something to that effect which we all thought was terribly funny, no wonder I got lost.  ;)

johnw
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on November 04, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
Humm interesting to know John .....you've been in Belgium for a while in the 80 's .....

I add some pictures of flowering Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus . Al grow from seed many years ago . (must be around 1995 or something like that) 
They just started to flower 1 or 2 years ago .They stil fit wel in a pot with a wide of 5.5 cm ....
So very very very slow growing .
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Post by: WimB on November 04, 2013, 08:34:14 PM
Humm interesting to know John .....you've been in Belgium for a while in the 80 's .....

I add some pictures of flowering Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus . Al grow from seed many years ago . (must be around 1995 or something like that) 
They just started to flower 1 or 2 years ago .They stil fit wel in a pot with a wide of 5.5 cm ....
So very very very slow growing .

Oh no, Kris...are you following me with those things? >:( >:( Feeding an addiction is not really nice  >:( >:(  ;)  ;D
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Post by: Maggi Young on November 04, 2013, 09:07:21 PM
Oh no, Kris...are you following me with those things? >:( >:( Feeding an addiction is not really nice  >:( >:(  ;)  ;D

Too late for that warning, Wim - the forum is full of plant addicts - none curable - it's what makes us all so cheerful!
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Post by: johnw on November 04, 2013, 10:10:55 PM
That is spectacular Kris, quite the feat to flower Ariocarpus.  You may recall I watered a dead one for quite some time despite warnings from someone in the household that it had parted company........ :-[

johnw
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Post by: Rogan on November 08, 2013, 01:01:20 PM
Kris, you are a master at mesemb cultivation - my own pathetic attempts leave me red-faced with embarrassment!  ::)  Now for a few pictures of your Muiria hortenseae?   ;D
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Post by: SJW on December 05, 2013, 06:03:02 PM
A friend gifted me this pot. Mitrophyllum abbreviatum - perhaps not to everyone's taste...
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Post by: Darren on December 05, 2013, 08:58:52 PM
Most Mesembs are to my taste Steve. I've a few Mitrophyllum and Monilaria raised from seed. One of the former produced a flower for the first time at 8 years old and I'm told this is fast! Sadly it flowers in mid winter and the flower never actually opens in our light - I can see enough to be able to say it is yellow! No flowers on any of the others yet and they are now over a decade old.
 
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on December 05, 2013, 09:03:10 PM
Hi Steve and Darren ,

I grow a few (maybe 5 )different species of Mitrophyllum for more then 10 years . They al are very odd and special plants.
I like them for some reason , but I never get one into flower so far .........
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on December 05, 2013, 09:04:43 PM
Kris, you are a master at mesemb cultivation - my own pathetic attempts leave me red-faced with embarrassment!  ::)  Now for a few pictures of your Muiria hortenseae?   ;D

Thanks for the compliments .
You are the master for that one Rogan .....I am stil in a learning phase for Muiria ....
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Post by: SJW on December 06, 2013, 12:13:19 AM
Most Mesembs are to my taste Steve...No flowers on any of the others yet and they are now over a decade old.

I like them for some reason , but I never get one into flower so far .........

Hi both - yes, I too find them interesting although some people may not be persuaded when they look at a potful of dead twigs in the summer! My friend has some old specimens of Mitrophyllum so I'll check if he's ever managed to get them to flower (and open!). 
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Post by: angie on December 10, 2013, 08:24:50 PM
I have a large Agave plant, its to big to pot up again. I used to water it from above and the water just trickled down through the leaves but lately the leaves have turned down my question is why have the leaves started facing down and is this a sign of overwatering. It would be handy to know as I can hardly get water into this plant.

Angie  :)
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Post by: fermi de Sousa on December 12, 2013, 07:16:46 AM
I think this is Aloe aristata which we got from a friend a few years ago; I thought it was a Haworthia till it flowered,
cheers
fermi
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Post by: Darren on January 19, 2014, 04:38:22 PM
Most Mesembs are to my taste Steve. I've a few Mitrophyllum and Monilaria raised from seed. One of the former produced a flower for the first time at 8 years old and I'm told this is fast! Sadly it flowers in mid winter and the flower never actually opens in our light - I can see enough to be able to say it is yellow! No flowers on any of the others yet and they are now over a decade old.

The yellow mitrophyllum I mentioned is trying to flower but the flower is so feeble I decided to spare it the embarrassment of public spectacle...

However, when looking I spotted this - the first ever flower buds on one of my ten-year-old Monilaria obconica. :) I hope they wait until the weather warms up before trying to open.

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Post by: cohan on February 28, 2014, 07:13:03 PM
I have a large Agave plant, its to big to pot up again. I used to water it from above and the water just trickled down through the leaves but lately the leaves have turned down my question is why have the leaves started facing down and is this a sign of overwatering. It would be handy to know as I can hardly get water into this plant.

Angie  :)

not enough of an Agave expert to really know! but I will say downturned leaves don't seem unusual to me, maybe just the age of the leaves? The plant will appreciate a good thorough watering in growing season, as long as it does not sit wet a long time, and dries more or less between waterings, and little to none while dormant.
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Post by: penstemon on March 02, 2014, 05:20:42 AM
Some species of Agave typically have leaves which turn down. The symptoms of overwatering are usually very evident; leaves become soft, signalling the decline and eventual death of the plant, but most agaves tolerate a great deal more water than most people think they do. The proper way to water them is just as you're doing; overhead, to allow the natural "self-watering" process to take place.
By the way, agaves do not really go dormant. Species which tolerate cold become hardened within a couple of days after exposure to cold, and simply become quiescent. Root hydraulic conductivity does not stop, however, and if the plants are able to take up water during this quiescent period the sugar solutes protecting the plant from freezing become diluted, and the cells explode, with not very pleasant results.
This varies widely with species, most not having any ability at all in this respect.

Bob

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Post by: cohan on March 03, 2014, 07:51:36 PM
Thanks for the info, Bob :) Agaves are strictly an indoor proposition here, so freezing is never an issue, but I wouldn't water in winter when light levels are low, and if they are in a spot where a window might keep the soil chilly..
Currently the only one I have is a small seedling under lights, since it is warm and light all winter for now, I do water water all year, though less in winter.. Probably have to move it to a window spot this season...
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Post by: SJW on March 24, 2014, 11:56:53 PM
Crassula 'Morgan's Beauty'.
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Post by: SJW on April 06, 2014, 02:51:30 PM
Lophophora williamsii, grown purely for horticultural interest!
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Post by: SJW on April 14, 2014, 09:34:43 PM
Pelargonium laxum just starting to flower.
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Post by: ruweiss on May 24, 2014, 08:43:24 PM
Some hardy cactii:
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Post by: johnstephen29 on June 19, 2014, 10:03:29 PM
Here is a cacti growing in a sunny spot in my greenhouse, it is in flower at the moment so it is liking where it is. The second picture shows the name of the plant, it's a right mouthful.
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Post by: Roma on June 29, 2014, 03:42:09 PM
A couple of sedums in my greenhouse
Sedum brevifolium
Sedum dasyphyllum
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Post by: ruweiss on June 29, 2014, 08:33:28 PM
Astrophytum asterias and more Lophophoras:
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on June 30, 2014, 07:08:03 PM
Astrophytum asterias and more Lophophoras:

I like this plants forever Rudi ......

Mammillaria guelzowiana  ( 3 plants grow from seed in 1997)
Mammillaria microcarpa
Mammillaria grahamii
Mammillaria herrerae
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Post by: Maggi Young on June 30, 2014, 07:29:09 PM
All these are grown so well! Congratulations to you all.
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Post by: ashley on June 30, 2014, 09:56:48 PM
All these are grown so well!

Superb, and lovely to see 8)
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Post by: johnw on July 01, 2014, 01:59:00 AM
Kris  - A superb M. herrerae there!   :o

johnw
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 01, 2014, 09:27:23 PM
Kris  - A superb M. herrerae there!   :o
johnw

Thanks John , I like to grow them on their own roots.....Commercial growers often graft them but you need to grow them slow. 
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Post by: ferdinand on July 07, 2014, 08:53:07 PM
Lithops
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 13, 2014, 05:10:46 PM
An early one Ferdinand . I think I have to wait a couple of weeks for the first one. Usually this is Lithops lesliei .
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 13, 2014, 05:13:33 PM
Puna bonniae and Anacampseros alstonii.
South America and South Africa under one roof ........
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Post by: David Nicholson on July 13, 2014, 05:48:13 PM
Very nice Kris, I really must try some of these. It must be more satisfying than trying (and failing!) to keep Primulas cool and shaded in this sort of weather.
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 13, 2014, 06:18:03 PM
Very nice Kris, I really must try some of these. It must be more satisfying than trying (and failing!) to keep Primulas cool and shaded in this sort of weather.

Thanks David . Exactly , they are tough and give beautiful flowers, why not try ?
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Post by: ferdinand on July 13, 2014, 07:24:24 PM
An early one Ferdinand . I think I have to wait a couple of weeks for the first one. Usually this is Lithops lesliei .
L. pseudotruncatella (and its subspecies and varieties) is the earliest blooming species.
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Post by: johnw on July 15, 2014, 05:44:40 PM
Perhaps someone can identify some of my unknowns that have been kicking around for eons.

#1 - I think is Anancampseros karasmontana.

#2 - I think this came as Crassula deceptor or trix but I never thought that was correct.

#3 - Just to note a few are labelled correctly  - Haworthia (edit - truncata came as retusa) - an old plant and a favourite.  I'm not sure exactly what is going on underground but the pot is getting horribly warped.

#4 - Adromischus sp. unkown, ex Animab Uroolsdrif.

#5 - flower of the one above.

johnw
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 15, 2014, 08:22:25 PM
Perhaps someone can identify some of my unknowns that have been kicking around for eons.
#3 - Just to note a few are labelled correctly  - Haworthia retusa - an old plant and a favourite.  I'm not sure exactly what is going on underground but the pot is getting horribly warped.
#johnw

Hi John  , I think this is Haworthia truncata in stead of retusa.

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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 15, 2014, 08:27:32 PM
Perhaps someone can identify some of my unknowns that have been kicking around for eons.
#2 - I think this came as Crassula deceptor or trix but I never believe that was correct.
johnw

To me it looks to big and fat for deceptor John. C. deceptor is much more tiny and has a more white appearance.

Your plant reminds me to a big version of C. arta . Maybe it is a hybrid ?
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on July 15, 2014, 08:34:08 PM
Perhaps someone can identify some of my unknowns that have been kicking around for eons.
#1 - I think is Anancampseros karasmontana.
johnw

Looks more like something from the A. filamentosa complex to me John.
It is a time ago that a grow al of this Anacampseros , but karasmontana have more green leaves with another shape.
Karasmontana has not so many hairs I think.   
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Post by: johnw on July 15, 2014, 09:38:43 PM
Kris  - You're absolutely correct.  In fact the label says "H. truncata (received as H. retusa)" - my writing error.

Thanks for the other ids too.

johnw
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Post by: SJW on July 16, 2014, 12:18:59 AM
John - #4 looks similar to one I used to grow as Adromischus cooperi.
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Post by: johnw on July 16, 2014, 02:12:30 AM
Steve  - The A. cooperi here is more cylindrical with rippled apexs.  See http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/adrodisp/cooperi.htm (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/adrodisp/cooperi.htm)

I am wondering now if the one in the photo is an odd form of Adromischus schuldtianus.  The area where it was collected almost matches its range and should be spelled Vioolsdrif, a town near the Namibian border.  I still can't figure out what the Animab is meant to be. edit - Hmm I wonder if the seed grower meant to write Namibia and it came out as Animab?

johnw
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Post by: ChrisB on August 03, 2014, 02:59:12 PM
I've just come back from a visit to Ray Stephensons National Collections ( Sedum, telephium, phedemus etc)
Here is Sedum suaveolens which Ray tells me has 660 pairs of chromosomes!  Phew!  More pics to come when I resize them
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Post by: ChrisB on August 03, 2014, 03:05:57 PM
Echeveria setosa
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Post by: ChrisB on August 03, 2014, 03:09:39 PM
Two of Ray's huge cactus pans
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Post by: ChrisB on August 03, 2014, 03:14:14 PM
This cactus was in flower, had to hold the camera and trust I got its picture, was on a bench but the top was up about 6ft.
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Post by: ChrisB on August 03, 2014, 03:18:55 PM
One of many forms of Sedum dasyphyllum.  Liked the red sheen on this pot
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Post by: ChrisB on August 03, 2014, 03:22:52 PM
Sedum pachyphyllum
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Post by: ChrisB on August 03, 2014, 03:26:12 PM
Sedum adolphi.  One that was outdoors for the summer but is in the greenhouse over winter.
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Post by: ChrisB on August 03, 2014, 03:29:20 PM
Graptopetalum amethystinum
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Post by: Maggi Young on August 04, 2014, 05:14:28 PM
 This blog shows photos of an outdoor cactus garden in Poland -
http://ewainthegarden.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/cactus-gardening-outdoor-in-temperate.html (http://ewainthegarden.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/cactus-gardening-outdoor-in-temperate.html)     8)
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Post by: johnw on August 04, 2014, 10:54:15 PM
Chris  - Nice colouring on your Sedum pachyphyllum.  I think your Graptopetalum amethystinum is mis-labelled as it should have angled edges.  It looks like one here that I have yet to id but then again mine has pointy tips which you see in some shots but nowhere seen on your plant.  These and Graptoverias are a nightmare to id, so many alike.

Fascinating that 2n=640+/-  I'd never guess it a Sedum.

johnw
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Post by: ChrisB on August 05, 2014, 07:43:28 AM
 Hi John
The plant was Ray Stephensons, not mine.  He can be wrong on labelling but not often... He wrote the big tome on sedum, though this particular plant isn't one...  I think you can probably find him on a web site for the sedum soc if you want to ask about it.
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Post by: johnw on August 05, 2014, 12:27:52 PM
Chris  - Much more likely mine is mis-labelled.  I have googled amethystinum and at least 3 different plants are shown.  I think Ray is likely to be correct then.

What I have as amethystinum may be a Gratopetalum paraguayense but could also be 'Opalina'????????

johnw
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Post by: FrazerHenderson on August 05, 2014, 06:32:48 PM
check out the following really good internet resource for references crassulaceae.net/
 (http://crassulaceae.net/)
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Post by: johnw on August 05, 2014, 07:31:29 PM
Frazer  - Thanks, it's an excellent site though the Grapto section is far from complete I know see how to properly navigate within a genus!

I'm still with four possibilities -  paraguayense, Marquise de Sévigné, Claret and Blanche-Neige.  Given their propensitiy to change both shape and colouration in different growing sites and conditions I will have to wait for flowers instead. Come to think of it I can't remember these flowering in the past.

The culprit's photo #1...

Now compare it with this one (#2) which is very close but has a sturdier habit without a tendency to flop or break.

johnw
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Post by: johnw on August 06, 2014, 12:32:09 AM
Four others I should get straightened out.

The first I think is Cotyledon orbiculata v. orbiculata.
The second appears close to #3 - a Pachypytum sp. -  but notice the few older leaves which were, and still are, to some extent showing a bit of greenishness with a flush of pink, at that point it was moved to a very hot sunny site and changed its colouring dramatically. Unfortunately no 'before shot' that I can find.
The third I had as Pachyphytum sp.  Although close to #2 it has always been pure white regardless of the site.
The fourth and last I have labelled Pachyphytum oviferum but it doesn't look compressed enough.

johnw
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Post by: ruweiss on August 12, 2014, 08:48:34 PM
Some weeks ago, some cacti enjoyed the hot and sunny weather:
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Post by: fixpix on August 22, 2014, 09:15:36 AM
IS there a list of really hardy succulents/cacti?
I'd like to start a collection over here.
Grow from seeds/cuttings etc and later on sell them.

I know all about Sempervivum, Sedum, Orostachys, Delosperma, Opuntia but I was wondering if I'm missing some.

I'm sure there's a bunch I have never heard of.

BUT they would need to withstand both harsh winters and harsh summers (drought and temps. reaching at least 35 C).

Please help!
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Post by: johnw on August 22, 2014, 12:23:13 PM
fixpix - Panayoti Kelaidis gave a talk here on this subject this past June.  Here are some of the ones he mentioned.  Click on succulents on the top also. 

http://prairiebreak.blogspot.ca/p/cacti.html (http://prairiebreak.blogspot.ca/p/cacti.html)

He said the best source of particularly hardy forms was in Canada at Beaver Creek Greenhouses.  For once we luck out.

http://www.rockgardenplants.com/plantcatmain.htm (http://www.rockgardenplants.com/plantcatmain.htm)

Some even do well in this foggy climate - here a pic from the rock garden in Truro, NS.

johnw
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on August 28, 2014, 06:42:38 PM
Hildewintera 'Humkes Kleine Gelbe '
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Post by: FrazerHenderson on September 26, 2014, 04:17:55 PM
Xerophilia

This online magazine is excellent. If you've not yet read it then I do recommend that you take a look. It is free, online and ready to download in low or high quality. It is excellent.

www.xerophilia.ro (http://www.xerophilia.ro)
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Post by: SJW on September 28, 2014, 03:44:13 PM
Lithops otziana, L. marmorata, and Opthalmophyllum praesectum.
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Post by: ranunculus on September 28, 2014, 04:29:10 PM
Beautiful images, folks.

Dudleya farinosa in the garden today.
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Post by: Maggi Young on September 28, 2014, 04:48:36 PM
Pleasure of these plants is that they are just as beautiful out of flower as they are in bloom.
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Post by: johnw on September 29, 2014, 09:22:37 PM
Beautiful images, folks. Dudleya farinosa in the garden today.

That certainly is what I'd call a dry collar..........
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Post by: ranunculus on September 30, 2014, 06:11:47 AM
That certainly is what I'd call a dry collar..........

Works well, John … plenty of air around the caudex and support for the heavy mass of foliage.
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Post by: johnstephen29 on October 08, 2014, 08:53:09 PM
Hi a Lithop in flower, first time I have managed this well chuffed  :)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3931/15400159491_baf8ab6101_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/psRQTe)Lithops in flower (https://flic.kr/p/psRQTe) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 08, 2014, 08:55:39 PM
Well done John - its pal is going to flower as well eh?  Love these bright little gems.
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Post by: johnstephen29 on October 08, 2014, 10:24:28 PM
Hi Maggi yeah so do I, the other plant has been flowering most of the summer, a real trooper this year. It's in a really sunny spot in the greenhouse. Now if I can get the other plant with the stems like columns to flower.
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Post by: ruweiss on October 14, 2014, 08:38:41 PM
Faucaria tigrina is still flowering
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 15, 2014, 06:48:10 PM
Faucaria tigrina is still flowering

Good choice Rudy !

Few impressions of some flowering Lithops .
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 16, 2014, 06:28:05 PM
Good year for my Ariocarpus .

First Ariocarpus retusus . When you grow them from seed it takes more then 10 years to get the first flowers .......
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 16, 2014, 06:30:00 PM
Some different Ariocarpus together .......
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 16, 2014, 06:32:47 PM
Some details from Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus ssp. albiflorus .
Grown from seed . Germinated 1987 ......and stil grow in very small pots ( 5.5 cm )
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 16, 2014, 06:34:28 PM
Normal Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus , also from seed in 1987 ....

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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 16, 2014, 06:35:42 PM
First time in flower : Ariocarpus bravoanus . A recently described species .
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 18, 2014, 09:12:09 PM
Also first time flowering here : Ariocarpus scaphirostris
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 18, 2014, 09:13:47 PM
Some more Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus ......
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Post by: Tony Willis on October 18, 2014, 09:46:58 PM
Kris

lovely plants to see,thanks for showing them
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 19, 2014, 07:08:34 PM
Kris
lovely plants to see,thanks for showing them

Thanks Tony . You can leave them alone for a longer period when you love to travel ..... ;)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on October 26, 2014, 07:23:36 PM
Titanopsis calcarea is frost resistant when kept dry.
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Post by: penstemon on October 31, 2014, 02:07:16 AM
Titanopsis calcarea, first flower of the season, last Friday the 24th. Flowers on and off all winter here, outside.

Bob
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Post by: johnw on October 31, 2014, 11:30:05 AM
Lovely penstemon. I can't help but think of dog's paws when I see those leaf ends.  Which state allows you to grow Titanopsis outdoors and flower it through the winter?

johnw
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Post by: penstemon on November 03, 2014, 03:49:29 AM
Colorado. Quite a few mesembs aside from delospermas are hardy here. "Hardy until devoured", anyway. Rabbits and squirrels find them irresistible. You can see some signs of nibbling in the photo I attached.
Once I planted several different forms of Titanopsis calcarea, from Mesa Garden, in a trough, and every single one was eaten before the day was over.


Bob
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Post by: FrazerHenderson on November 03, 2014, 07:27:38 PM
It's on the web the latest issue of Xerophilia

www.xerophilia.ro (http://www.xerophilia.ro)

It's simply marvellous
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Post by: Maggi Young on November 03, 2014, 07:32:44 PM
Now don't hold back, Frazer, if you think it's good, just tell us!  :) :D ;D ;)

 ( and  IT IS good !) 8)
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Post by: penstemon on November 03, 2014, 11:36:27 PM
Pterocactus tuberosus, in flower.
Since the above-ground parts of the pterocactus are annual, this year I'm trying to root them, which is supposed to work ...

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Post by: Maggi Young on November 04, 2014, 09:03:39 AM
I'm sure I'm being very dim here ( it wouldn't be the first time) but what  is the advantage of rooting  annual parts of a plant ? Will they live long enough to produce perennial underground parts?  Or is that the challenge?  :-\
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Post by: penstemon on November 04, 2014, 03:50:02 PM
No, I know that sounds very strange. The authors of Cactus de Patagonia say it can be done, and so I cut the stems when they were still green, and stuck them in a pot.
My understanding is that this is one way pterocacti propagate themselves; if the annual stems fall to the ground during the growing season, they root.
When the plants go dormant, from cold, the stems wither and fall away.
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Post by: penstemon on November 04, 2014, 09:21:15 PM
Business end of Pterocactus tuberosus.
Every time I show pictures of pterocacti it dooms them, so we'll see.

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Post by: penstemon on November 04, 2014, 11:58:04 PM
Just in case anyone thought cacti (not counting Sclerocactus) were difficult to grow from seed, here's a picture of about 600 echinocereus, and escobaria seedlings. In B.E.F. Growers' Pots, of course.
I don't have a greenhouse so these are grown "the hard way", germinated under lights and then grown outdoors for as long as possible. (The seedlings could probably stand -25C in pots but I didn't want to risk it, so I brought them indoors, where they receive afternoon sun.) They grow very slowly with this method. I gave about half of the first flush of seedlings (sown winter 2012) to Denver Botanic Gardens, so I may have germinated about a thousand altogether.
Not sure what to do with all of these.....
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Post by: Maggi Young on November 05, 2014, 12:54:31 PM
Quote
Not sure what to do with all of these.....

 ....well indeed, it's a prickly problem, Bob. :D


(Sorry, I couldn't help myself.....  ;) :-X   )
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Post by: penstemon on November 05, 2014, 03:29:04 PM
Not a pointless endeavor, that's for sure.
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Post by: Maggi Young on November 05, 2014, 05:56:26 PM
[attachimg=1]

 Touché.......
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Post by: penstemon on November 07, 2014, 01:35:16 AM
I found this picture of Gymnocalycium baldianum; actual color of the flower.
Think the gymnocalyciums really prefer a cooler exposure than they get here. In other words they should be treated like alpine plants instead of desert plants.
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Post by: Maggi Young on November 25, 2014, 10:41:21 AM
From Simon Goodwin's twitter page -pix  from the nursery at RBGSydney- Sydney Botanic Garden
 Gymnocalycium saglionis - giant chin cactus from Argentina

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I know nothing about this plant - I just thought the flowers are very beautiful!

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Post by: johnw on November 29, 2014, 10:01:20 PM
Quite frankly I had never seen a flower on Senecio rowleyanus before.  This flower's frgrance is very intense, even I can smell it 10ft away.  The bigger potted clumps are loaded with buds but this one is the first to open.

johnw
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Post by: penstemon on December 12, 2014, 03:06:41 AM
Here's one of the annual, flowering stems of Pterocactus tuberosus rooting. (I'm not certain that the stems are annual in their native habitat, though I think they are, but they are certainly annual here. The flowering stems shrivel and fall off; the underground caudex remaining over the winter...hopefully...to provide new flowering stems next year. Fairly bizarre.)
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Post by: K-D Keller on April 06, 2015, 07:29:05 PM
For me, the first cacti blossoms every year: Pediocactus simpsonii and Echinocereus viridiflorus.
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Post by: Maggi Young on April 20, 2015, 11:00:14 AM
There is an identification query for you succulent plant enthusiasts, here :  http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13087.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13087.0)        :)
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Post by: johnw on April 20, 2015, 01:25:28 PM
Friend says it looks like a juvenile Aloe ferox.  Johnw
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Post by: meanie on April 20, 2015, 02:08:44 PM
Friend says it looks like a juvenile Aloe ferox.  Johnw

Thanks!
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Post by: Johan K. on April 21, 2015, 10:26:41 PM
Pleiospilos nelii (1)

Rabiea albipuncta (2)
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Post by: ruweiss on April 23, 2015, 09:05:32 PM
Pictures from last week:
Pediocactus knowltonii was all the winter in the unheated greenhouse.
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Post by: Johan K. on April 26, 2015, 09:02:25 PM
Echinocereus triglochidiatus (1)

Echinofossulocactus (2)

Lophophora williamsii (3)
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on May 01, 2015, 05:50:41 PM
Nice cacti Johan !

Echinocereus coccineus  with his extremely beautiful flowers .....

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Post by: Johan K. on May 03, 2015, 08:56:36 PM
Thanks Kris.

Two more.

Ferocactus glaucescens

Cleistocactus strausii
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Post by: krisderaeymaeker on May 12, 2015, 08:54:29 PM
Mammillaria luethyi
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Post by: Pauli on May 23, 2015, 10:49:34 AM
My hardy cacti start to flower....

general view
Ec adustus ssp roemerianus
Ec rosei
Ec coccineus
Ec triglochidiatus
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Post by: Pete Clarke on May 29, 2015, 09:56:35 PM
Rebutia glomeriseta, really excelling itself this year.
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Post by: Peter Maguire on June 06, 2015, 03:25:08 PM
I don't grow many cacti, but this one's looking rather fine at present and providing a bit of welcome colour in the alpine house.  I'm still not totally sure which generic name I should be using.  :-\

Rebutia (?Aylostera) hoffmannii.
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Post by: Maggi Young on June 07, 2015, 01:48:53 PM
Combo of the  reddish outer colour of the calyx with the vibrant orange of the flowers against the white fuzz  is great. You can see I have a good grasp of the terminology here!
Proving a good year for these Rebutia ( sensu latu) it seems.
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Post by: ruweiss on June 08, 2015, 09:40:55 PM
Hardy cactii are now in full flower.
The flowers of Echinocereus coccineus are usually red,
this yellow form origins from the Otero Mts.,New Mexico
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Post by: ruweiss on June 21, 2015, 10:07:52 PM
More cactii:
Gymnocalycium gibbosum
Pterocactus tuberosus
Epiphyllum Ernest William Angus
Epiphyllum Bester von Allen
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Post by: Johan K. on June 23, 2015, 09:31:04 PM
A little bit late for posting these pics.
But better late then never.

Echinocereus triglochidiatus forma inermis
Echinocereus viridiflorus
Echinocereus coccineus aggregatus
Echinocereus coccineus ssp rosei
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Post by: Maggi Young on June 23, 2015, 09:32:19 PM
Great photos, Johan  - you seem to do very well with these.
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Post by: Johan K. on June 23, 2015, 09:36:03 PM
I continue.

Echinocereus reichenbachii ssp baileyi
Gymnocalycium andreae
Gymnocalycium gibbosum
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Post by: Johan K. on June 23, 2015, 09:39:47 PM
Some Echinocereus pots together.

And also a few Opuntia. 

Opuntia erinacea var ursina

Opuntia sp.
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Post by: Johan K. on June 23, 2015, 09:45:36 PM
Cacti in a roofed small rockgarden.

Echinocereus reichenbachii ssp baileyi albispinus

Echinocerus coccineus ssp rosei

Escobaria vivipara

Cacticorner in the roofed rockgarden
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Post by: Johan K. on June 23, 2015, 10:12:42 PM
Great photos, Johan  - you seem to do very well with these.

I do my best.  :)
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Post by: johnw on June 30, 2015, 07:32:11 PM
Like most Glottiphyllums water them once too often and they explode.  G. fragrans, long-suffering here and a new Sedum hernandezii which is a cracker.

johnw - +20c & sunny.
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Post by: Maggi Young on July 18, 2015, 02:44:31 PM

A  timelapse film of  Ulrich Bangert's cactus Hildewintera hybrid Humkes Honeymouth:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAT0Ct6Tm-A&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAT0Ct6Tm-A&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Peter Maguire on July 20, 2015, 05:11:23 PM
Having said recently that I don't grow many cacti, here's two more in flower at present.  :-X

Astrophytum myriostigma
Opuntia 'Budapest'
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Post by: Darren on August 13, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
Nice plants Peter - especially like the Opuntia, which is well flowered.

I do grow a few cacti but quite a lot of Mesembs (especially Conophytum). The Conos have just started flowering. The first picture is C. frutescens and a nice form of C.bilobum with red anther filaments. The second is an accidental hybrid between the two and is intermediate in almost every respect.

Then a cactus - Neochilenia setosiflora. I've a load of spare flowering size seedlings if anyone wants any (EU only).

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Post by: johnw on August 20, 2015, 05:22:24 PM
A long-neglected Rebutia muscata  which always seems to be in flower.

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Post by: Tony Willis on September 14, 2015, 11:26:52 AM
Dioscorea elephantipes, this plant which is now 20 years old starts into growth the second week in September each year when it receives its first watering since March
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Post by: Carlo on September 14, 2015, 02:05:51 PM
My D. elephantipes here started growth at exactly the same time! Just had its first watering in a long time....
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Post by: ruweiss on September 15, 2015, 09:31:10 PM
Funny - our oldest and biggest Dioscorea started to grow just 5 days ago! The two smaller plants started
quite earlier, but we wonder why so many plants over the world start at the same time.
Last week at the Landau Garden Fair we had the chance to see Dioscorea mexicana together
with some other fine caudex plnts
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Post by: johnw on September 23, 2015, 06:03:45 PM
This one has surprised me yet again.  I thought its first flowering after many, many years was a fluke but it's done it again.

Leuchtenbergia principis which I always assumed was an African but to my amazement have found out it's from North-Central Mexico.

One must be very careful doing close-ups of this brute.

john
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Post by: Hoy on September 23, 2015, 08:49:27 PM
I think all cacti except one (Rhipsalis baccifera) are American plants, not African. Not counting the ones introduced by man of course.

Nice plant, John! Mine died a couple of years ago when I forgot to bring it inside in the fall :-\
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Post by: johnw on September 24, 2015, 12:19:23 AM
Hoy - For some reason I have always placed in the succulent department of my brain.  Have now come to my senses............maybe.

john
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Post by: johnw on September 30, 2015, 08:36:41 PM
Sedum rubrotinctum 'Aurora' is a decided improvement over the type colour-wise at least.   Oddly it is a little cranky to get going and friends have repoeatedly lost theirs. Persistence.....

Spent the past two days lifting some 900 succulents in advance of huge rains and possibly the tail-end of a hurricane hot on its heels.  A hundred or so more will have to wait as I'm knackered.

1 the type
2 'Aurora'

johnw
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Post by: Johan K. on October 29, 2015, 10:02:44 PM
Faucaria candida.
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 30, 2015, 02:10:35 PM
Faucaria candida.
Ooh! Hard to even see  any foliage - great flowers, Johan.
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Post by: Johan K. on November 16, 2015, 10:25:20 PM
Not enough sun for Argyroderma pearsonii to show his flower.
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Post by: Maggi Young on November 17, 2015, 11:08:20 AM
Good photo to show how the flower emerges, Johan.
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Post by: meanie on December 19, 2015, 11:07:37 AM
Not as posh as you guys but my Echeveria pulvinata is back in bloom.............
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/735/22818858934_58953fe5b9_z.jpg)

I bought it into the house as the "hairy" leaves are a total moisture trap. It has a scrambling shrubby habit and the main stem on my four year old plant is close to what I would call woody now............
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/673/23338732342_65f692059e_z.jpg)
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Post by: Chris Johnson on December 19, 2015, 12:36:17 PM
Great photos and a nice 'unkempt' habit.
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Post by: meanie on December 20, 2015, 07:53:42 AM
Thanks Chris.
What makes this plant truly unruly is the fact that it is the only Echeveria I've had that has self seeded itself - three years ago my Pleione bowl was infested with seedlings from it  :D
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Post by: FrazerHenderson on April 11, 2016, 08:14:25 PM
At the recent Edinburgh Show there were two cacti entered - Rebutia hoffmannii and R. perplexa.
There was some debate on the hardiness of perplexa. I thought it was hardy to -4 C after all it  grows at 2500-3000m in Bolivia. Damp winters in UK/Holland kill it outside but dry cold not generally a problem.  Anyway grateful for details on hardiness and whether the plant can be considered to be hardy.
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Post by: Johan K. on May 15, 2016, 08:59:49 PM
Mammillaria bombycina fa

Mammillaria sp.

Cleistocactus straussii
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Post by: Johan K. on May 15, 2016, 09:02:12 PM
Echinofossulocactus species.
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Post by: Johan K. on May 15, 2016, 09:06:35 PM
Echinocereus coccineus aggregatus

Echinocereus coccineus ssp rosei

Echinocereus triglochidiatus

Echinocereus viridiflorus
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Post by: Pauli on May 29, 2016, 05:34:26 PM
Today in my unheates greenhouse:
view
Gym neuhuberi
Ec?
Ec adustus roemeri (with one flower of Esc. minima in ther background)
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Post by: Pauli on May 29, 2016, 05:36:45 PM
Another set from today:
Gym andreae ?
Pterocacti
Austrocactus
Ec roemeri
Ec x rortteri
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Post by: Maggi Young on June 16, 2016, 07:36:28 PM
National Show Catalogue and entry form for British Cactus & Succulent Society  show now available on-line  http://society.bcss.org.uk/index.php/national-show.html (http://society.bcss.org.uk/index.php/national-show.html)

Show 20th August 2016

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Post by: johnw on August 07, 2016, 07:18:58 PM
Cotyledon undulata

Had this tender succulent many times over the years and it never flowered or grew much for that matter.  Particularly pleased to see these large pendulous bells this week.  Now only if the Blandfordia would follow suit.

john
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Post by: ruweiss on August 14, 2016, 09:30:41 PM
An unpleasant smell and many flies welcomed me yesterday in the Alpine House - Stapelia gigantea was in flower.
I like all the Astrophytum species for their beauty and reliable flowering.
Something happens with my Mammillaria, maybe the experts have more experience with this change of growth?
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Post by: johnw on August 16, 2016, 09:45:45 PM
Leuchtenbergia principis, flowering seems to be an annual event these days.


john
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Post by: johnw on August 16, 2016, 11:45:54 PM
And Ruschia pulvinaris.


johnw
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Post by: Tony Willis on August 18, 2016, 11:08:11 AM
Dioscorea elephantipes which springs into growth same week every year
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Post by: ashley on August 18, 2016, 11:20:07 AM
That looks extraordinary Tony.  Is it from seed & approximately how old?
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Post by: Tony Willis on August 18, 2016, 08:25:29 PM
I bought it as a small plant over twenty years ago and it has slowly grown a little each year. It is reasonably easy to calculate its age as it produces one new growth each year which when it goes dormant leaves a woody stump behind. Counting them gives an idea of its age.

There is one at the RBG hopefully still there which is about two feet in diameter. Mine has a way to go.
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Post by: Hans J on October 01, 2016, 01:39:01 PM
only some pics of a great cacti collection from a friend :


Have fun
Hans
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Post by: Peter Maguire on October 07, 2016, 10:07:28 AM
That's a serious (but totally understandable) addiction!  :D
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Post by: Johan K. on October 09, 2016, 08:27:47 PM
Astrophytum myriostigma and Astrophytum ornatum.
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Post by: Johan K. on October 09, 2016, 08:28:40 PM
Lophophora williamsii
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Post by: Johan K. on October 09, 2016, 08:29:29 PM
Melocactus matazanus
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Post by: Johan K. on October 09, 2016, 08:30:25 PM
Monadenium montanum var rubellum
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Post by: Johan K. on October 09, 2016, 08:33:54 PM
Time of the year for the mesems.

Glottiphyllum parvifolium (1)

Lithops gracilidelineata ssp gracilidelineata var gracilidelineata (2 - 3)

Pleiospilos bolusii (4)
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 09, 2016, 08:35:44 PM
Looking  good, Johan.
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Post by: Johan K. on October 09, 2016, 08:37:23 PM
Two various plants of Conophytum bilobum.

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Post by: Johan K. on October 09, 2016, 08:38:55 PM
Conophytum flavum (1 - 2)

Conophytum minutum (3)
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Post by: Johan K. on October 09, 2016, 08:40:10 PM
Looking  good, Johan.

Thanks Maggi.
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Post by: johnw on October 26, 2016, 09:00:55 PM
First flower on Glottiphyllum fragrans, fragrant yes but not terribly so.


johnw
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Post by: johnw on December 10, 2016, 12:34:35 AM
I never imagined a scene like this.  A lady came into the greenhouse today and said "your sedums look wonderful in the raised bed outside".  I dashed out later as I couldn't recall ever having planted sedums. ???  Surely they'll be frozen off soon.


john
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Post by: Maggi Young on December 16, 2016, 04:57:41 PM
I think this site by Giovanni Quarella for cactus enthusiasts is quite new .... http://www.cactofilia.com (http://www.cactofilia.com)
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Post by: johnralphcarpenter on December 25, 2016, 04:26:01 PM
Flowering on Christmas Day, Crassula ovata.
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Post by: Maggi Young on December 25, 2016, 05:13:03 PM
I grew several Crassula ovata for many years - the biggest got quite huge - but never had even the hint of a flower!
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Post by: johnw on February 10, 2017, 12:16:55 AM
Despite being monocarpic it was a delight to see something in flower today, Aeonium glandulosum from July 2014 seed.  The plant is much like A. tabulaeforme on steroids, massive pancakes in summer when dormant.  This one was the smallest of the lot, stress-induced size which led to flowering I suspect; root mealies I'd bet.  Should be lots of seed.

johnw
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Post by: François Lambert on February 10, 2017, 10:57:22 AM
I grew several Crassula ovata for many years - the biggest got quite huge - but never had even the hint of a flower!

I have one too, a very old one, it's a cutting from a cutting from ... etc.  The original plant I remember was already existing 50 year ago.  Some winters it flowers, some winters it does not.  Although I give it exactly the same treatment every year.  Grows outside from May untill October, and then a dry winter rest in a cold room (with little light).  Perhaps there mey be an influence of the summer & fall weather.
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Post by: Rogan on April 09, 2017, 08:10:13 PM
The joys of growing succulents from seed: this little dome, otherwise know as Conopytum lithopsoides subsp. arturolfago produces and annual display of flowers far superior to that of its siblings - why? I have no idea but, look forward to its floral display with great anticipation!  8)
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Post by: Corrado & Rina on April 10, 2017, 05:44:12 PM
Absolutely phenomenal Rogan!
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Post by: FrazerHenderson on April 24, 2017, 05:08:48 PM
I have a Rebutia spinosissima which has since 1 January 2017 had 247 flowers and is still flowering today, indeed I've just counted 32 flowers (either in bud, open or fading). It is certainly a personal record!
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Post by: Maggi Young on April 24, 2017, 05:18:05 PM
I have a Rebutia spinosissima which has since 1 January 2017 had 247 flowers and is still flowering today, indeed I've just counted 32 flowers (either in bud, open or fading). It is certainly a personal record!

My word, that's quite something - so much for any moans that cactus flowers are few - and fleeting!
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Post by: Corrado & Rina on April 24, 2017, 06:54:14 PM
I have a Rebutia spinosissima which has since 1 January 2017 had 247 flowers and is still flowering today, indeed I've just counted 32 flowers (either in bud, open or fading). It is certainly a personal record!

Picture, pretty please .... it must be awesome!

Corrado & Rina
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Post by: ruweiss on April 25, 2017, 09:56:34 PM
Flowering now:
Pediocactus knowltonii, perfectly hardy in the unheated Alpine House
if kept dry in winter.
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Post by: ashley on September 09, 2017, 01:08:21 PM
Great plants all 8)

Here Orbea variegata from the 2012/13 seedex (SRGC 66-2761).
Germination was about 100% so I ended up with far too many plants.  If anyone would like one or more just send me a PM (EU only, for simplicity).
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:03:54 AM
Flowers from this year.

Acanthocalycum
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:04:26 AM
Aloinopsis spathulata.
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:05:36 AM
Astrophytum myriostigma

Astrophytum ornatum
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:06:11 AM
Astrophytum hybrid
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:07:31 AM
Aylostera muscula

Aylostera simoniana

Aylostera albiflora
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:08:28 AM
Bergeranthus glenensis

Bergeranthus scapiber
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:09:44 AM
Bergeranthus jamesii

Bergeranthus jamesii 'Albiflora'

Bergeranthus jamesii
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:11:21 AM
Echinofossulocactus lancifer

Echinofossulocactus longispinus

Echinofossulocactus sp
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:12:08 AM
Echinops ancistrophora
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:13:01 AM
Ferocactus glaucescens

Ferocactus sp.
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:13:46 AM
Glottiphyllum nelii

Glottiphyllum parvifolium
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:14:32 AM
Huernia keniensis

Huernia zebrina
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:15:09 AM
Lophophora williamsii
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:17:15 AM
Lithops lesliei ssp lesliei var lesliei 'Albinica'

Lithops hallii var hallii

Lithops salicola

Lithops terricolor
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:19:03 AM
Lithops karasmontana ssp bella

Lithops gracilidelineata

Lithops schwantesii ssp schwantesii var schwantesii 'Kuibisensis'
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Post by: Johan K. on October 14, 2017, 09:22:04 AM
Lithops without name.


More pictures will follow later.
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 14, 2017, 03:47:09 PM
Wow! What a great selection, Johan!
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
Thank You Maggi.

If You wish, I can post more photos.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:01:59 PM
More photos from the past seasons.

Bowiea volubilis

Ceropegia sandersonii

Dudleya calicola
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:03:43 PM
Mammillaria bombycina

Mammillaria bombycina fa

Mammillaria elongata

Mammillaria ernestii

Mammillaria heyderi
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:04:59 PM
Notocactus sp

Notocactus schlosseri

Parodia malyana
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:06:52 PM
Different plants of Pleiospilos nelii.
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:08:04 PM
Pleiospilos bolusii

Pleiospilos prismaticus

Pleiospilos willowmoorensis
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:09:29 PM
Rebutia fusca

Rebutia krainziana

Rebutia perplexa

Rebutia scarlatea
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:10:29 PM
Rebutia turbinata

Rebutia winteriae
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:11:49 PM
Sansevieria francisii

Sansevieria sp.
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:13:01 PM
Sarcocaulon vanderietiae

Stapelia grandiflora
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:14:57 PM
Strombocactus disciformis

Sulcorebutia candiae

Sulcorebutia canigueralii

Sulcorebutia heliosioides
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:17:16 PM
Titanopsis calcarea 'Kimberley'

Turbinicarpus alonsoi

Turbinicarpus krainzianus var minimus

Turbinicarpus lophophoroides
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:18:19 PM
Wittia amazonica
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:20:40 PM
Echinocereus coccineus aggregatus

Echinocereus coccineus

Echinocereus coccineus ssp rosei

Echinocereus coccineus arizonicus
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:24:15 PM
Echinocereus reichenbachii

Echinocereus reichenbachii ssp baileyi

Echinocereus triglochidiatus forma inermis
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:25:52 PM
Escobaria sneedii

Lobivia aurea

Mediolobivia haagei var eos
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:27:47 PM
Gymnocalycium andreae

Gymnocalycium bruchii var brigittae

Gymnocalycium chubutense
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:28:55 PM
Gymnocalycium gibbosum

Gymnocalycium neuhuberi
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 01:29:34 PM
Weingartia sp.
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Post by: ashley on October 15, 2017, 01:52:27 PM
What an amazing collection Johan, and wonderful photos 8)
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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 08:43:33 PM
Thank You.

Plants and Flowers of today.

Fenestraria rhopalophylla ssp aurantiaca

Orthopterum coeganum

Senecio stapiliiformis


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Post by: Johan K. on October 15, 2017, 08:51:39 PM
Orostachys iwarenge 'Hodo'
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Post by: ruweiss on October 16, 2017, 10:04:48 PM
Johan, thank you for these beautiful pictures. I always overwintered succesful for many years
Gymnocaycium bruchii, gibbosum and andrae in a unheated frame with a glass cover, but lost
them last winter - reason unknown.
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Post by: brianw on October 16, 2017, 11:03:58 PM
Orostachys iwarenge 'Hodo'
I find this an odd? surprising? plant. With any other plant you might start with a seed that grows to something many inches or feet wide or high in a season and seems natural, but with this you can keep a few succulent rosettes, maybe a few mm in diameter, and by now they will be pans full in flower and maybe 8 inches in diameter. For succulents it all seems very unlikely. Such rapid growth. One odd thing in my garden the flower spikes seem to lean to the north. Maybe very draught sensitive. The bumble bees love them.
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Post by: ashley on July 19, 2018, 01:26:28 PM
Young plants flowering late:

Mammillaria baumii has an intense lemony scent
Rebutia fabrisii 'aureiflora'
R. pygmaea 'gavazzii'
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Post by: Rob-Rah on August 25, 2018, 02:25:50 PM
Edithcolea grandis (Persian carpet flower) opened its first flower this week - quite stunning!
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Post by: Maggi Young on August 25, 2018, 02:36:05 PM
Terrific!  I feel a sort of   "StarTrek" quote coming on ... it's a flower, Jim, but not as we know it!  ;D
I just love these  "other-worldly" plants!
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Post by: François Lambert on August 27, 2018, 12:10:04 PM
Wonderfull pictures of your Gymnocalycium Johan.  They remind me of  my fathers greenhouse where he used to grow almost all Argentinian species of Gymnocalycium.
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Post by: Roma on August 29, 2018, 10:38:47 PM
I used to grow this at work and when I saw it for sale at the local garden centre just had to have it.  I bought it in May and it is still growing and flowering so I am very happy.

Ceropegia sandersonii
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Post by: François Lambert on September 13, 2018, 11:48:01 AM
In previous years I was happy to have 1 or just 2 flowers on this lithops.  But this year I gave them a 'wetter' spring & summer and the result is they almost all are or will flower - still new buds appearing every day.  Flowers open at +/- 17.00 hr and are again closed by 19.00 hr.

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Post by: Leucogenes on September 13, 2018, 11:57:50 AM
In previous years I was happy to have 1 or just 2 flowers on this lithops.  But this year I gave them a 'wetter' spring & summer and the result is they almost all are or will flower - still new buds appearing every day.  Flowers open at +/- 17.00 hr and are again closed by 19.00 hr.

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Wow. What a beauty. My admiration...François.

Thomas

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Post by: François Lambert on September 13, 2018, 12:07:41 PM

Wow. What a beauty. My admiration...François.

Thomas

Thank you Thomas.

The other part of the growing secret is to keep them bone dry from October till end of March.  Even if they have their 'growth' during the dry season, that's when they make new 'leaves' er even split to double in number.  I let them shrivel over winter because I almost lost another Lithops by giving some water over winter.  I managed to save that one by keeping it almost dry for more than a year.  It's now happy and starts to make buds as well.  Soon I will have that yellow Lithops flowering at my home.
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Post by: JanB on September 16, 2018, 08:37:13 PM
Where do you advise I look to buy lithops please? I’m in the uk.
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Post by: Maggi Young on September 16, 2018, 08:52:01 PM
Chilterns sell seed of them .... https://www.chilternseeds.co.uk (https://www.chilternseeds.co.uk)

I have heard of this German nursery .... https://www.conos-paradise.com/en/shop/index.html?m=lithops (https://www.conos-paradise.com/en/shop/index.html?m=lithops)   -which sells plants and seeds

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Post by: JanB on September 17, 2018, 11:07:46 AM
Thanks Maggie, I’ll have a look see.
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Post by: François Lambert on September 17, 2018, 11:39:31 AM
Where do you advise I look to buy lithops please? I’m in the uk.

I bought mine in a garden center as plants ...

I tried to pollinate the flowers.  will see if anything happens
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Post by: GordonT on September 17, 2018, 05:00:54 PM
I haven't ordered from them before, but Mesa Garden in New Mexico, seems to have an extensive list of Lithops species seed for sale.... along with seed for many more fat plants. Has anyone ordered from them before?

http://www.mesagarden.com/ (http://www.mesagarden.com/)
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Post by: François Lambert on September 21, 2018, 12:37:22 PM
The yellow lithops are also flowering now.  That's the one I almost lost to (over)watering during winter.  only 2 plants survived.

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Post by: Rob-Rah on September 22, 2018, 07:18:14 PM
My yellow one is the same species I think - it's also flowered well this year, but just about finished now so no pics.
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Post by: ruweiss on September 30, 2018, 09:37:21 PM
Hildewintera coldemonis and Conophytum are still in flowers. I don't know the species name of this Conophytum,
maybe somebody can help me with the exact name
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on October 01, 2018, 11:36:33 AM
Lithops pseudotruncatella. flowers.
Lithops pseudotruncatella.
Pleiospilos nelii.
Notocactus scopa
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on October 01, 2018, 11:40:06 AM
Melocactus.
Melocactus seedhead.
Fenestraria rhopalophylla
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on October 01, 2018, 11:49:11 AM
Echinopsis subdenudata.
Notocactus leninghausii.
Notocactus magnificus.
Lost the label for this one.

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Post by: Leucogenes on October 01, 2018, 12:02:12 PM
Rudi & Michael...

Unbelievable. These shapes and colors. My infinite enthusiasm for these bizarre plants. 👍👍

Thomas

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Post by: ashley on October 01, 2018, 12:23:22 PM
Great plants Michael, and beautifully grown as usual 8)
Could your last one be a gymnocalycium?
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on October 01, 2018, 12:27:23 PM
Cleistocactus strausii.
Mammillaria geminispina.
Mammillaria  hahniana.
Mammillaria spinosissima

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Post by: Michael J Campbell on October 01, 2018, 12:35:38 PM
Could be Ashley, they are very difficult to identify as many are so alike. 
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Post by: François Lambert on October 01, 2018, 12:43:09 PM
Hello Michael,

My first thought was also that it could be a Gymnocalycium.  Having seen hundreds of these flowering in my father's greenhouse the flower immediately looked familiar to me.
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Post by: Maggi Young on October 01, 2018, 12:43:19 PM
Michael shows once more why he has the nickname "Mr Amazing"  !!   I have no idea how you manage to  have the time to grow so many different types of plants, Michael!
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Post by: ashley on October 01, 2018, 12:49:51 PM
Michael shows once more why he has the nickname "Mr Amazing"  !!   I have no idea how you manage to  have the time to grow so many different types of plants, Michael!
Seconded.

For gymnocalyciums I like this website (https://www.gymnocalycium.fr/), with photos of plants both in cultivation and in habitat.  Amazing how the two can differ.
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on October 01, 2018, 12:55:58 PM
Cephalocereus senilis ( old Man cactus ) This is the real old man cactus, lots of other plants are sold under this name but are imposters. This was grown by me from seed sown in July 1972.          He could do with a wash.  :) :) :) 
Echinocactus grusonii. this chap is getting a bit too big for moving around, I can hardly lift it now.  :)
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on October 01, 2018, 01:03:28 PM
 Thanks, Francois, I will stick that label on it now, if yourself and Ashley think that's what it is I will take your word for it. :)
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Post by: ruweiss on October 02, 2018, 09:57:48 PM
Michael, congratulations to your succulent plants, they are simply beautiful. Echinocactus grusonii is called in our region also
"Schwiegermuttersessel" which means seat for the mother in law. I never had problems with my mother in law, she was a kind
and warm-hearted person and we always have good memories of her.
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Post by: François Lambert on October 03, 2018, 12:33:52 PM
Michael, congratulations to your succulent plants, they are simply beautiful. Echinocactus grusonii is called in our region also
"Schwiegermuttersessel" which means seat for the mother in law. I never had problems with my mother in law, she was a kind
and warm-hearted person and we always have good memories of her.

Indeed, we call them "schoonmoederkussen" here.  Apparently we are a bit more gentle since we name it cushion for the mother in law :-)
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Post by: François Lambert on October 08, 2018, 12:25:44 PM
The Chinese lantern plant we call it here : Ceropegia Woodii

Hanging the pot to a BIG nail in the wall, this plant has grown about 1 meter this year.  The 'toothpick' shaped stuff are the fruits.  Most of these will be lost when I cut the plant to just 20 cm before bringing it in for a frostfree overwintering.  In previous years I had a few fruits kept on the plant and seeds germinated easilly.

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Post by: David Nicholson on October 28, 2018, 07:35:44 PM
Although my Brother has a greenhouse he only normally uses it for tomato growing. Having failed miserably to convert him to alpines I've spent a lot of time in the last couple of years trying to get him to try a few Cacti but this was not helped by his small collection being wiped out in the low temperatures of Winter 2018 and I thought this would be the end of his adventure. I now find he's bought a few more Cacti and has resolved to do better in the remainder of 2018 and 2019. Can anyone help with a name for this one please?

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Post by: David Nicholson on November 05, 2018, 08:52:36 AM
Although my Brother has a greenhouse he only normally uses it for tomato growing. Having failed miserably to convert him to alpines I've spent a lot of time in the last couple of years trying to get him to try a few Cacti but this was not helped by his small collection being wiped out in the low temperatures of Winter 2018 and I thought this would be the end of his adventure. I now find he's bought a few more Cacti and has resolved to do better in the remainder of 2018 and 2019. Can anyone help with a name for this one please?

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Surely someone must know?
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Post by: Darren on November 05, 2018, 11:02:02 AM
It is an Echeveria, David, but I do not know which.
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Post by: David Nicholson on November 05, 2018, 07:01:43 PM
Cheers for that Darren, much appreciated.
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Post by: François Lambert on April 08, 2019, 12:08:11 PM
This cactus is already flowering for the third time this winter.

First the cactus flowers before Christmas
Then the cactus flowered for a second time before Carnival
And now the plant is flowering for easter.

A very catholic cactus in fact.

In the previous winter the cactus skipped the carnival flowering.

And on top of that, between easter & christmas this cactus grows at an impressive rate - the plant is from a cutting started 2 year ago.
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Post by: ashley on April 08, 2019, 01:43:50 PM
It's very happy with you François 8)

... A very catholic cactus in fact.
Some years ago on Irish TV, gardener Helen Dillon (http://dillongarden.com/) sized up a newly-acquired plant for potential divisions/cutting material and referred to this as 'doing the Protestant thing' ;D
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Post by: ruweiss on June 17, 2019, 08:34:44 PM
Hardy succulents and cactii enjoy the sunny and warm weather:
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Post by: Anders on June 18, 2019, 09:35:35 PM
Two hardy cacti, Opuntia pheacantha and Echinocereus triglochidiatus. They spend the winters in the unheated greenhouse.
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Post by: ruweiss on June 20, 2019, 07:52:53 PM
Pretty plants, Anders. Thank you for showing.
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Post by: ashley on June 22, 2019, 05:48:08 PM
From age 10 and through my early teens I gathered a small collection of cacti and succulents from family, friends & their families.  This was in 1960s Ireland, before access to specialist nurseries, even garden centres let alone the internet.  My treasures lived on the bedroom windowsill and were loved but rarely flowered.  Roll forward almost half a century & prompted by great photos here on the forum (from Hans J, Michael C & many others) I tried again, but this time appreciating the importance of a cold, dry winter rest.   

Over the last few weeks:

Aloe hybrids ‘Donnie’ (left) & ‘Pink Blush’ (right)
Chamaecereus ‘Bernstein’
Gymnocalycium baldianum
Gymnocalycium bruchii
Lobivia wrightiana (syn. Echinopsis backebergii ssp. wrightiana)
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Post by: ashley on June 22, 2019, 06:06:41 PM
A few more:

Parodia mairanana atrispina (syn. P. comarapana, front) & P. saint-pieana (back)
Rebutia ‘Sunrise’
Rebutia fabrisii var aureiflora
Rebutia fabrisii white form
Rebutia flavistyla (syn. R. fiebrigii) usual form

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Post by: ashley on June 22, 2019, 06:11:15 PM
More:

Rebutia flavistyla yellow form
Rebutia minuscula f. kariusiana
Rebutia krainziana (syn. R. marsoneri) red & yellow forms
Rebutia muscula (syn. R. fiebrigii)
Rebutia pulvinosa var. albiflora , a parent of the hybrid ‘Sunrise’ above

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Post by: ashley on June 22, 2019, 06:16:35 PM
And finally:

Rebutia pygmaea ‘crassa’
Rebutia pygmaea var. minor
Sulcorebutia langeri (syn. Rebutia cardenasiana)

Not for those of a sensitive disposition ;D

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Post by: Gail on June 22, 2019, 07:47:02 PM
Very colourful Ashley.

Does anyone know what this succulent is? It was the village open gardens today and one guy has an amazing collection of interesting plants. He said this was an organ pipe plant but the only organ pipe I can find on google is the organ pipe cactus which seems a very different beast.
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Post by: ashley on June 22, 2019, 11:13:58 PM
They are indeed Gail, so maybe should be re-arranged to clash less ;)

I think your plant is probably Senecio articulatus.
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Post by: David Nicholson on June 23, 2019, 09:32:41 AM
Lovely display Ashley
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Post by: Gail on June 23, 2019, 02:10:32 PM
They are indeed Gail, so maybe should be re-arranged to clash less ;)

I think your plant is probably Senecio articulatus.
Sometimes a joyous clash of colours is just what you need.
And I think you are right about the Senecio, thank you - amazing thing...
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Post by: ashley on June 23, 2019, 03:38:45 PM
Sometimes a joyous clash of colours is just what you need.

Yes it's hard not to be happy around them ;D
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Post by: ruweiss on June 23, 2019, 09:10:25 PM
Ashley, thank you for showing us your treasures, Rebutias
are great, floriferous with many species and hybrids
and they need only little space in the collections.
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Post by: ashley on June 23, 2019, 11:40:11 PM
Lovely display Ashley
Thanks David.  I find them interesting too when not in flower.

Ashley, thank you for showing us your treasures, Rebutias are great, floriferous with many species and hybrids and they need only little space in the collections.
Likewise your beautiful plants Rudi.  Do they overwinter outdoors there in southern Germany, and do you need to protect them from rain?
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Post by: ruweiss on June 30, 2019, 04:47:14 PM
Ashley, my main interest are alpines and the garden is rather small. So I cultivate
 Ecinocereus, Pterocactus tuberosus, Agaves, Yuccas and other dryness loving plants
under a big Thuja tree which catches all the rain in his foliage. These plants do well
without covering. My other hardy cactii are in pots which get placed in the unheated
alpine house during the winter season.
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Post by: ashley on July 05, 2019, 01:15:03 PM
A few more flowering now or recently:

Lobivia arachnacantha
var. torrecillasensis
Lobivia tiegeliana
var. flaviflora
Rebutia schatzliana
Sulcorebutia vargasii
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Post by: Maggi Young on July 05, 2019, 02:04:20 PM
A delight to see these  cheery flowers on a  very dull day here - just  waiting for the  rain to start!
 
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Post by: ashley on July 09, 2019, 10:32:12 PM
Gymnocalycium gibbosum var. brachypetalum
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Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2019, 11:09:22 AM
I’ve got a few opuntia grown from seed. They are becoming a bit top heavy.  How often should I repot them and any tips to get them to flower pl?  can I put them in the garden in my sandy dry soil
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Post by: fermi de Sousa on July 10, 2019, 12:00:21 PM
...How often should I repot them.....
Very carefully!
Wear  gloves!
 ;D
cheers
fermi
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Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2019, 12:30:59 PM
  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: ashley on July 11, 2019, 09:15:35 AM
I’ve got a few opuntia grown from seed. They are becoming a bit top heavy.  How often should I repot them and any tips to get them to flower pl?  can I put them in the garden in my sandy dry soil

Chris, not having grown opuntias I waited for someone with direct experience to respond.  Most cacti in the active growing stage seem to appreciate repotting every 1-2 years.  If your plants are top-heavy you might consider making new plants from terminal pads, and in that way increase numbers for experiments outdoors.  Above, Rudi showed us great results with plants overwintered outdoors without cover but beneath a dense conifer to deflect rain.  However in our (certainly my) climate it might be advisable to protect from winter wet using a little cloche or 'hat' that still allows good ventilation.  A rest at lower temperatures does wonders for reliable flowering, and opuntias from mountain areas should be quite hardy if dry.
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Post by: ChrisB on July 12, 2019, 03:10:48 PM
Thanks Ashley.  I do have three pots so I’m going to put one out in the garden in one of my raised beds to bed in this summer.  I do have very sandy free draining soil and I’ve been able to overwinter many plants that are generally considered tender.  But I have no experience with cactus for sure.  I’ll post here next summer whether it makes it through...

Meanwhile, I will repot the other two. Think I will put them in clay pots to give a bit more weight to the base.

Would be wonderful if they ever flower ...
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Post by: shelagh on November 15, 2019, 02:09:51 PM
I'm not sure whether these are still called Zygo Cactus or not but as Brian says "I wish our alpines flowered as well".
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Post by: ruweiss on May 05, 2020, 09:32:36 PM
Echinocereus start to flower:
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Post by: ashley on May 09, 2020, 06:08:26 PM
Lovely plants Rudi. 
Here my first this season is Gymnocalycium andreae
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Post by: ashley on May 25, 2020, 12:38:30 PM
Here the main flush of flowering has started in the last few days.

Aylostera cv. 'Sunrise'
A. deminuta 'Flavistyla'
A. deminuta 'Heliosa condorensis'
A. pygmaea 'Crassa'
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Post by: ashley on May 25, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
Aylostera pygmaea 'Crassa'
A. pygmaea var. minor
A. pygmaea
'Steinmannii'
Mammillaria glassii
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Post by: ashley on May 25, 2020, 12:49:32 PM
Mammillaria zeilmanniana
Rebutia kariusiana (considered a selection of R. marsoneri)
R. minuscula
Sulcorebutia hertusii
(syn. S. caniguerallii crispata)
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Post by: ashley on May 27, 2020, 02:39:14 PM
Aylostera deminuta 'Flavistyla', a more typical form than the yellow one above
A. deminuta 'Minutissima'
A. deminuta 'Perplexa'
Chamaecereus hybrid
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Post by: ashley on June 02, 2020, 03:27:43 PM
Adromischus marianae forms show great diversity of colour & texture.
These cuttings started last December were very slow but are finally getting underway.
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Post by: ashley on June 02, 2020, 03:32:50 PM
A few more.
The third is A. cooperi & the fourth is A. filicaulis.
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Post by: François Lambert on June 03, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
Rebutia Minuscula grown from seeds of the seed exchange of a couple of years ago.

First time it flowers, and immediately an impressive display  :)
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Post by: ashley on June 06, 2020, 11:08:23 AM
That's a spectacular plant François :o and obviously very well grown if only 2½ years from seed.

Like many people I've been at home far more than usual during daytime this year, so could enjoy the cactus display. 

Some more:
Aylostera albopectinata 'Schatzliana'
A. deminuta 'Heliosa densipectinata'
A. deminuta 'Muscula' (syn. Rebutia muscula) is less floriferous this year so needs repotting
A. pygmaea 'Gavazzi'
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Post by: ashley on June 06, 2020, 11:18:00 AM
Chamaecereus hybrid 'Bernstein'
Echinopsis (Lobivia) backebergii ssp. wrightiana
E. tiegeliana (x2)
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Post by: ashley on June 06, 2020, 11:22:28 AM
Gymnocalycium buds living up to their name
G. bruchii
Mammillaria baumii has a nice citrus or citronella scent
M. giselae
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Post by: ashley on June 06, 2020, 11:28:29 AM
Mammillaria zeilmanniana gives a long succession of flowers
Rebutia fabrisii 'Aureiflora'
R. fabrisii (off) white form
R. minuscula 'Krainziana' red & yellow forms
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Post by: ashley on June 06, 2020, 11:32:33 AM
Weingartia breviflora
W. canigueralii
W. langeri
W. pasopayana
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Post by: Maggi Young on June 06, 2020, 12:11:33 PM
My word, Ashley - that's quite  a  collection you  have  there - very  cheering  to see  them, thanks!
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Post by: Maggi Young on June 06, 2020, 01:56:20 PM
Thanks  to Carol Kellett for  allowing  me  to share  this  photo of  her Rebutia condorensis - I think there  is  a  plant  somewhere under  all those  flowers!

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Post by: ashley on June 06, 2020, 02:34:22 PM
Thanks  to Carol Kellett for  allowing  me  to share  this  photo of  her Rebutia condorensis - I think there  is  a  plant  somewhere under  all those  flowers!

Wow 8)

... very  cheering  to see  them, thanks!

You're welcome Maggi.  They make me happy too ;D
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Post by: brianw on June 06, 2020, 05:19:55 PM
I am at last having to go through my neglected ancient collection of "cacti", on a rescue mission. When checking the greenhouse the other day for watering (during this heatwave, which has now hopefully ended) 1 was surrounded by a number of bees carrying leaves. They were all using the cacti, and an odd other bulb pot, for building their nests. So far I have found ~6 and still see the odd bee, so maybe I missed one. Most were using the drainage holes but one was into the top between the spines. Did not get stung once; are they sting-less bees? The windows are open at all times now. Water sprays did not deter them at all.
Most of the cacti I have rescued have been put outside in clean pots and soil at present, while I decide what to do with them. I keep a couple of Opuntia outside all the year under shelter on the south side of the house, but few flowers so far.
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Post by: ruweiss on June 06, 2020, 09:08:55 PM
Ashley, you must have an enormous collection. It is a pleasure to see your flowering
treasures. Thank you for showing
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Post by: ashley on June 07, 2020, 09:22:53 AM
... 1 was surrounded by a number of bees carrying leaves. They were all using the cacti, and an odd other bulb pot, for building their nests. So far I have found ~6 and still see the odd bee, so maybe I missed one. Most were using the drainage holes but one was into the top between the spines. Did not get stung once; are they sting-less bees? The windows are open at all times now. Water sprays did not deter them at all. ...

Very interesting Brian.  Presumably they are solitary bees of some kind (leaf-cutters? (https://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=829)), with stings but rarely aggressive.  You have achieved what many people with bee hotels aspire to 8) ;D

Ashley, you must have an enormous collection. It is a pleasure to see your flowering
treasures. Thank you for showing

Thank you Rudi.  No it's not such a big collection (maybe 120 or so) but due to limited space I concentrate mainly on smaller, slow-growing species.  Unfortunately the flowers don't last very long but the plants themselves are often very beautiful I think.
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Post by: ashley on June 13, 2020, 05:48:01 PM
Dudleya farinosa   both farinose & non-farinose forms; Alplains seed from Sonoma Co., California. 

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Sedum dasyphyllum 

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Post by: Ola on July 09, 2020, 09:49:09 AM
Some spines in Sweden ;)
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Post by: Ola on July 09, 2020, 09:57:38 AM
Turbinocarpus pseudopectinatus
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Post by: ashley on July 09, 2020, 11:49:25 AM
Very nice Ola 8)
What is the white-flowering plant at bottom right of your first picture?
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Post by: ashley on July 13, 2020, 03:42:16 PM
Some gymnocalyciums flowering over the last couple of weeks:

G. andreae is flowering on & off since April
G. andreae v fechseri
G. baldianum
    This clone is much deeper red when it opens first.
G. gibbosum v brachypetalum
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Post by: ashley on July 13, 2020, 03:52:19 PM
Chamaecereus hybrid 'Aquarius'
Parodia mairanana atrispina also gets paler over time
P. saint-pieana
Weingartia cylindrica albiflora
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Post by: Maggi Young on July 13, 2020, 03:55:02 PM
Chamaecereus hybrid 'Aquarius' - wow! what a  stunning  colour  combination!!  8)

  Makes  me  think of  lotus flowers and  sunsets   :)
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Post by: ashley on July 13, 2020, 04:10:15 PM
Indeed it's quite an eye-full Maggi ;D and keeps going over a couple of months so earns its keep.
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Post by: Anders on July 24, 2020, 08:40:52 PM
A nice variant of Opuntia phaecantha and fully hardy here north of Copenhagen.
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Post by: ruweiss on July 29, 2020, 09:13:38 PM
The hot weather is ideal for Cactii and other Succulent plants.
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Post by: Hans J on August 01, 2020, 07:57:06 PM
Here is a pic of a interesting Rebutia - it was collected before many years from a german which live in Argentina - his name was Dietrich Herzog
I got this plant from him before more than 25 years ...the plant was found in the Sierra Medina
....and got the field nummer DH 398
Which species of Rebutia this is is unclear .....in the same mountains was found Rebutia xanthocarpa  ( which grows normal  in the Quebrada del Toro )
The other plants has normal red - orange flowers ...but this plant has a unusal color
I had the idea in this year to make seeds and to give they some of my Cacti friends ...surplus seeds are on my seed list :
https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=18000.msg414729#msg414729


Have fun
Hans
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Post by: ashley on August 01, 2020, 10:44:40 PM
Nice to see this one Hans.  Great that it's self-fertile like other 'true rebutias'.

Fine plants as usual Rudi; I particularly like your turbinicarpus and wonder how old it is.

Also a very nice opuntia Anders, there in desert Zealand ;) ;D
How do you protect it from winter rain and in the garden does it flower regularly or profusely?
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Post by: ruweiss on August 03, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
Ashley, thank you for your friendly comment. You are right, the Turbinicarpus is very old.
I am not quite sure, but this plant is at least since 25 years with me.
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Post by: ashley on August 08, 2020, 02:54:47 PM
Great to have a plant over decades Rudi, and it probably improves with age.

Gymnocalycium 'Jan Suba' (x2)
Notocactus (Parodia) submammulosus var. minor
Parodia saint-pieana with a frequent visitor
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Post by: ruweiss on August 14, 2020, 08:21:06 PM
Astrophytum capricorne and a huge ´stony' cactus,
 chiseled by Aztekian craftsmen more than 500 years ago
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Post by: cohan on August 15, 2020, 02:59:52 PM
Great plants, everyone!
Rudy-- that capricorne really has some age :)
The stone cactus would be good for those Instagram designers ( they are not real gardeners) who like to place the cacti for decorative effect, away from the light....lol
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Post by: ruweiss on August 16, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
Cohan, I cultivate this A. capricorne since more than 20 years. My conditions for cultivating
cactii are not the best: A sunny windowsill in the winter and Alpine House in the summer, but
some plants don't mind and give their best.
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Post by: ashley on September 05, 2020, 02:03:18 PM
Aloe hybrid 'Donnie' looks plump after its holidays outside in the Irish summer
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Echeveria setosa with Gasteria batesiana.  This planting has survived outdoors on a south-facing windowsill for several years now.
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Gasteria batesiana flowers here mainly in July but never sets seed, maybe because we lack sunbirds ;D
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Post by: cohan on September 28, 2020, 08:22:33 PM
Cohan, I cultivate this A. capricorne since more than 20 years. My conditions for cultivating
cactii are not the best: A sunny windowsill in the winter and Alpine House in the summer, but
some plants don't mind and give their best.

mine have to settle for the windowsill all year!
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Post by: cohan on September 28, 2020, 08:24:46 PM
Aloe hybrid 'Donnie' looks plump after its holidays outside in the Irish summer


Echeveria setosa with Gasteria batesiana.  This planting has survived outdoors on a south-facing windowsill for several years now.

Gasteria batesiana flowers here mainly in July but never sets seed, maybe because we lack sunbirds ;D


I like the hairy Echeveria and chunky Gasteria. I have a number of small Aloe hybrids, I think they'd all like a  cushier life than I give them, but they flower off and on throughout the year (probably following the not exactly regular waterings...lol).
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Post by: Véronique Macrelle on November 30, 2020, 01:48:32 PM
Gasteria in general are not self-fertile
 Haworthia either
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Post by: ashley on November 30, 2020, 01:57:29 PM
True, and these plants are clonal.  Another reason to grow from seed ;D
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Post by: johnw on November 30, 2020, 02:55:21 PM
Ashley - Have you experienced shattering on the E. setosa?  All the leaves suddenly fall off.  Not sure if it's caused by an underlying problem or a means of moving location.

john
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Post by: ashley on November 30, 2020, 03:18:01 PM
It's a bit fragile at the best of times John, but usually fine under glass.  As you say, dropped leaves soon colonize neighbouring pots.
The plants above spent the last few winters outdoors (tolerating brief excursions to -5°C or so) & rosettes tend to lose their roots due to excessive damp, but quickly root again in spring.
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Post by: cohan on March 10, 2021, 07:23:10 PM
1,2 A couple of recent shots-- as usual, I wait too long to tidy up Drimiopsis maculata, then leaves are emerging and I have to be careful!

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3 Probably show this too often, it flowers basically whenever watered (not that often..)

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4 Haworthia truncata cv Lime Green (presumed to actually be a hybrid) coming on strong after some dieback a couple of years ago (probably neglect due to focussing on outdoor gardens!)

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Post by: Bart on March 19, 2021, 06:24:54 PM
Aloe hybrid 'Donnie' looks plump after its holidays outside in the Irish summer
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Does anyone know a source of these aloe hybrids in the uk? I am growing one hybrid, probably 'Donnie', but I bought it years ago from an Italian ebayer and I lost the name. When I was looking to trace back its origins I stumbled upon the miniature hybrids like this, and some of them are STUNNING! There is a US website  (exoticaesoterica.com with good pics of all the cultivars- but i don't know anything about them-) but in our now horticulturally isolated UK, no obvious sources.
Does anyone grow them and wants to swap or know a nursery who specialises in them could you please let me know? Thank you!

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Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 24, 2021, 05:59:51 AM
Huernia zebrina v. zebrina - a recent purchase (the bud was already evident) from The Garden Tap Nursery in Kyneton, our closest "main" town
cheers
fermi
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Post by: Ola on May 21, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
Slowly my spiny friends are showing signs of waking up after a long winter and cold spring. Most plants in the photo belong to the genus Turbinicarpus but there are a few intruders...
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Post by: Ola on May 28, 2021, 10:27:16 AM
Three cacti on a Friday  :)

Mammillaria candida
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Mammillaria duwei
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Rebutia heliosa
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Post by: ashley on June 04, 2021, 10:45:51 PM
Very nice Ola. 
Here too the cool spring delayed flowering.  Beginning only toward the end of May my first are:

Mammillaria glassii
Rebutia minutissima
(syn. Aylostera deminuta)
R. pygmaea 'crassa' (syn. A. haagei)
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Post by: Ola on June 11, 2021, 10:19:46 AM
Your M. glassii is a real beauty Ashley.
 

Mammillaria hahniana, the old lady cactus...
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Parodia werneri (Notocactus ubelmannianus)
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Gymnocalycium monvillei ssp horridispinum, horrible name but lovely flowers   
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Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on June 28, 2021, 09:33:36 PM
Pterocactus tuberosus is fully hardy with me and grows since 20 years with us
at a hot and dry place.
The other plants are in the house during the colder season.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Hannelore on July 02, 2021, 03:55:11 PM
Several years ago I bought a very cheap box with 40 mixed sedum  in order to plant them into clay pots which form the border of a flower bed. They growd without any care, some flowered mostly yellow or white. This year I found a wonderful bunch if flowers from one of these plant. I wonder what it is.

Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: Pauli on July 02, 2021, 04:59:10 PM
I think, that ist a Sempervivum
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on September 25, 2021, 08:11:04 PM
Some cactii are still in flower:
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ashley on March 20, 2022, 03:29:38 PM
Dudleya smuggling (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/20/california-succulent-smuggling-dudleya) >:(
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on May 21, 2022, 09:12:30 PM
Astrophytum myriostigma
The Echinocereus are hardy since many years with me.
Title: Cacti and succulent Show planned for Edinburgh 11th and 12th June 2022
Post by: Maggi Young on May 25, 2022, 07:42:39 PM
News from  "the Caley" - the Royal Caldeonian Horticultural Society - they intend to host a Cacti and Succulent display at Saughton on 11th and 12th June. "Whilst we have called it a display,  we are interested in holding a regular show in the future if there is enough interest."

The categories are in line with those used for the virtual show in 2021.
 Details in the images below.....

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How to get there.....


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 the schedule of classes
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on September 27, 2022, 08:42:51 PM
Copiapoa barquitensis is rather free flowering.
Last autumn I noticed a small fern beside Echinocereus polyacanthus, resulting from a spore
of a Cheilanthes tomentosa.It survived the winter dryness as you can see beside the
flowering plant in spring and the actual picture shows a well developed plant.
 
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: FrazerHenderson on October 07, 2022, 03:46:30 PM
Latest issue of Cactus and Succulent Review

https://www.cactusandsucculentreview.org.uk/assets/downloads/Low-res/csr-september-2022.pdf (https://www.cactusandsucculentreview.org.uk/assets/downloads/Low-res/csr-september-2022.pdf)
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on July 17, 2023, 08:08:48 PM
Got this plant some years ago as an Echinopsis. It seems to enjoy our extremely hot weather
and flowers like never before.
Title: Re: "Fat Plants" : cacti,succulents, caudiciforms, whatever..
Post by: ruweiss on October 08, 2023, 09:12:02 PM
Astrophytum myriostigma and A.capricorne enjoyed our hot summer
on the windowsill and flowered profusely.
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