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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Yann on January 30, 2021, 06:31:39 PM
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Due to covid and lockdown uncertainties Delabroye nurseries open days are sooner than previous years.
It was very dark and i didn't take enough time for better photos but here's the first blossoms of the season.
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All are hybrids and unique
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Division is the only way to clone it
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a few more later in the evening
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Few peoples drove up to 650 miles to feel the car's boot and emptied the wallet for february :D
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other forms
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Eenie meenie miney when it's time to choose
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a few more
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and the last selection
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Beautiful selections Yann, every year they have something new. They are flowering earlier this time.
What was your choice?
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It's an early star with only 30% blooming, in 3-4 weeks it'll be a festival. Thierry feared about new lockdown so he's opening the nursery this week-end.
I choose a bicolor form because i want to cross it with anemone form. I also brought back several single forms white and burgundy. The garden is full and i didn't buy so many plants in 2020.
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Yes, you can tell these are the first flowers. Hopefully they manage to sell the most of them rapidly.
The bicolor also draw my attention as well.
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I choose a bicolor form because i want to cross it with anemone form.
The bicolor ones were also my favourites, but all are so beautiful! It must have been difficult to choose:).
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Yann
Nice bi color, similar to an Ashwood series. Where there other plants similar to the bi color? If so any with longer flower scapes?
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Yann
Nice bi color, similar to an Ashwood series. Where there other plants similar to the bi color? If so any with longer flower scapes?
no it was the only bicolor plant and usually there're short ones
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Fantastic series Yann ! Next best thing to visiting Thierry... and as we're not aloud to cross the border from Belgium, this series IS the BEST thing ! Wonderful! Hopefully we're aloud to visit on his second open weekend. ::)
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That's what i hope for you :-\
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Yann
Some very impressive hellebores indeed.
Re length of flower stalk, I have also seen this with with Ashwood Neon seedlings. Not a good feature to be present.
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This one can't compare to all those beauties, Yann. Purchased as Helleborus torquatus, its stems are rubbery and its dark flower doesn't make up for the floppiness! I plan to give it away.
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I think I will go see this nursery this afternoon, there is still a door open this week
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You in France (or close to it) are so lucky to have such a place to see and buy Hellebores! :)
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here are my purchases
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The development of daffodil yellow hellebore flowers has come on in leaps and bounds from the days when all 'primrose' colors had a green under tone. Can now be said to be yellow, thanks to the Ashwood yellows with nectaries that have no chlorophyll pigmentation. The same line has also probably been used to develop apricot shades that are apricot coloured retest than the primrose with pink tinges.
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this yellow helleborus also has a tendency to raise its flowers a little more than the average.
i hope it will stay like this. it starts looking upwards like a tulip! it reminds me a bit of a Paeonia mloko
i love yellow flowers as much as others, but it seems most people don't.
at this nursery, I also found
a giant Geranium phaeum
a giant Epimedium (wushanense)
a very beautiful Coniogramma omeiana
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This is my yellow indulgence that I bought from Ashwoods. Very beautiful but unfortunately seems particularly prone to black spot.
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Really beautiful yellows! Ten years ago when I bought seeds from Ashwood and grew yellows from them, they were still paler yellows, nothing as bright as what you have now.
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Does any member grow authentic niger Potters Wheel and would be prepared to supply seed, OP or HP?
Thanks in advance.
Jeff
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We wanted a quite a lot of Hellebores to add to our small woodland area, so for cost sake we grew them all from seed. Three years on and we have got quite a good flowering from them this season. Shown below are a couple of montages to illustrate all the differing forms that are currently flowering.
Paul
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Paul great collection especially like the dank double.
Gail in a way it is unfortunate that then pursuit of new colours often is accompanied by a reduced resistance to fungal disease.
To counter this I always cut off all leaves after the flowering buds emerge to maximize air flow and also spray the emerging buds with a fungicide that targets black spot. What is teh appearance of teh fungal infection?
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We wanted a quite a lot of Hellebores to add to our small woodland area, so for cost sake we grew them all from seed. Three years on and we have got quite a good flowering from them this season. Shown below are a couple of montages to illustrate all the differing forms that are currently flowering.
Paul
Very nice selections Paul and in a short time!
They are so easy, I don't know why not more people are growing Helleborus from seeds.
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Gail
Forgot to add that the fungus infection may be botrytis rather than black spot, botrytis is more difficult to control and occurs not only with a particular plant but also with seasonal variations in climatic conditions.
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Paul great collection especially like the dank double.
Gail in a way it is unfortunate that then pursuit of new colours often is accompanied by a reduced resistance to fungal disease.
To counter this I always cut off all leaves after the flowering buds emerge to maximize air flow and also spray the emerging buds with a fungicide that targets black spot. What is teh appearance of teh fungal infection?
Thanks for your comments. I've cut off all affected leaves otherwise I would post a photo. But I've had some round black spots, which is why I call it black spot! Also sometimes emerging shoots blacken before they open. I usually rotate fungicides (or get whatever I can from the garden centre) as I also have to watch my peonies and snowdrops, especially in cold, damp spells...
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We wanted a quite a lot of Hellebores to add to our small woodland area, so for cost sake we grew them all from seed. Three years on and we have got quite a good flowering from them this season. Shown below are a couple of montages to illustrate all the differing forms that are currently flowering.
Really nice selection, and so many different types. Congratulations.
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After many years breeding hellebores I've now retired, only to discover that they can do very well without my help! Two 'volunteers'.
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Both lovely, Margaret, but the deep pink with the pale centre is stunning!
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After many years breeding hellebores I've now retired, only to discover that they can do very well without my help! Two 'volunteers'.
Ah, but you must have inspired them to do so well, Margaret!
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Hi Margaret
Like you after many years I have put the pollinating brush into retirement. The soft pink anemone is close to my idea of perfection, would be interesting to attempt a conversion to a double form.
The white centered double looks like a picotee with a large extended edge, do you have any other flowers with this characteristic? Jeff
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Really nice, especially the second one is super.
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Thank you for all your kind words especially Maggi's suggestion that I can claim credit for them after all. Jeff, I have many pink doubles but think anemone centres the most beautiful. I don't have any others similar to the deep pink picottee with white centre. Are you suggesting I start hand pollinating again just when I've been cured of the habit? Perhaps I'll just let nature take over and see what happens in the way of seedlings from them. Twelve Nunns sell a similar deep pink one called Harvington Double Blush, but yellow would be the bee's knees wouldn't it?
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Helleborus have started to flower here.
These following flowers are all first time bloomers from seeds I got from a forumist about five years ago :)
There are so many very nice flowers that I don't know which I like most, but the first yellow one is one of the top favourites.
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More
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More
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And the last ones. :)
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My goodness, Leena, what a great variety! Easy to see how one can become addicted to these beauties! (Ian has made me promise not to buy any more, or even get seed - it's a hard life here!!)
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Maggi, yes, I just can't believe all the different kinds, and all are different than my older plants!
Hellebores do take room, that is the only disadvantage (the same with peonies), and lately I've been trying to sow more bulb seeds (following yours and Ian's example), but I can't resist Hellebores. :)
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Helleborus have started to flower here.
These following flowers are all first time bloomers from seeds I got from a forumist about five years ago :)
There are so many very nice flowers that I don't know which I like most, but the first yellow one is one of the top favourites.
Congratulations Leena, so many beauties!
They are so easy from seeds but indeed they take space. I made the mistake to sow a large batch from some purple selections few years ago and ended with too many purples. Luckily there are always other people who don't mind a free, already flowering Helleborus :)
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Some Helleborus pictures from the past week. Last winter was very good for them, and though it has been a cold April, they are doing well.
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Some more.
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Love that last one Leena, do you have another photo to show the dark nectaries?
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Thanks Gail:).
It is grown from Ashwood seeds about ten years ago, and it is also one of my favourites.
Flowers could be a bit more sideways facing, but the picotee rim shows well even now.
It is raining now and tomorrow, but I will take a picture of the flower next week-end.
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Here is the closer picture of it as promised. :)
The third picture is first time flowering very nice picotee double, grown from seeds labeled double white.
Fourth is also interesting colour. It grows in the middle of other plants so it was very difficult to take a picture. This is from seeds I got from Nicole six years ago. :)
The last picture is an older one, grown from Ashwood seeds, and one of my favourites. A nice colour and flowers are held well sideways looking.
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Couple Helleborus grown from Northwest Garden Nursery seeds.
Onyx Odyssey, so blueish black it is difficult to photograph.
Jade Tiger, very nice.
Fourth is nice double, and older plant.
Fifth is very spotted from Ashwood seeds.
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One more new Helleborus, this is ex Cherry Blossom, the first one to flower from those seeds.
The second picture is a nice striped plant, from my own seeds.
The third picture is one of the older plants.
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Some great hellebores, the dark bracts that accompany the flowering of some of the darker hellebores adds an extra appeal.
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I particularly like the white one with the red picotee Leena; simple but so beautiful.
The 'Cherry Blossom' looks even more prettier than its 'mama' :) with the large nectaries.
I gave away most seedlings from the Cherry Blossom I produced one year; better for them to grow in places with more space.
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The original NWGN Cherry Blossom is a bit of a conundrum. From nursery supplied seed, it does seem to throw predominately anemone forms with few doubles. This is surprising as I assume that the original cross made by Marietta possibly was a single x double. The F1 generation of such a cross can give a mix of singles, anemone and a few doubles. A hellebore friend of mine here has tired to get doubles using the anemone form hand pollinated with a double, the outcome of this cross should be mainly double forms, but no still a high proportion of anemone forms.
Leena the anemone you have is a dark pink, a keeper for sure.
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Thank you Jeff and Gabriela. :)
ex 'Cherry Blossom' is indeed very pretty and a keeper. I will see next spring how others from those seeds will look like.
There are so many so nice plants flowering this year that it is so difficult to decide which ones to give a permanent places.
Most of them now grow too close to each other in "nursery beds" (= mostly between bigger plants), and need to be given more space in the future. I have moved and divided hellebores in late summer and early autumn with good success, they don't seem to notice at all they have been moved or divided.
Last week I just spaced out about 90 !!! two year old seedlings which had grown too close to each other, and are still too close when they start to flower. I can always give duplicates to friends but there are so many so nice plants with small differences that it is very difficult to decide which I like most. I should sow less from now on, but there is always temptation to sow more...
This spring I have fallen in love with anemone forms, which I didn't have earlier, so I don't mind at all if I get anemone flowers instead of doubles, though some doubles like the picotee white/pink double which I showed last is so pretty.
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My first post on this long thread so far, but I follow it religiously. Everyone's hellebores are so enticing! But that simple white picotee, Leena, that got me to post. It's so incredible! I'm sure there must be a lot of similar ones out there, even with cultivar names, but yours is so clean colored. And those wonderfully dark "discs" at the base of the anthers. (Are those the real petals?)
The next test is how long does the good coloring stay? Dark colors seem to last forever, but light colors, not so much.
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And those wonderfully dark "discs" at the base of the anthers. (Are those the real petals?)
The next test is how long does the good coloring stay? Dark colors seem to last forever, but light colors, not so much.
Thank you Rick! :) When growing from seeds you never know what they will be, but sometimes you hit a jackpot, and also I really like this Helleborus.
It started to flower around mid April, but this has been a cold spring so flowers have stayed good for a long time. Dark discs are real petals, and as the flower ages they drop but they stay dark as long as they are there (as far as I have noticed) and also the rim stays dark.
This picture was taken yesterday. There is a seedling from this picotee plant in the foreground, flowering this year for the first time, but it is not as beautiful as the mother plant, and not picotee but white with lot of spots on the inside.
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Most gardeners will not be impressed by this but it's the first time I've had Helleborus niger survive for more than 12 months! Albeit I've kept it in its 3" tube in a tray so is kept moist through the summer.
Helleborus niger 'Pink Flush' from Post Office Farm in Ashbourne, a most remarkable place,
cheers
fermi
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Most gardeners will not be impressed by this but it's the first time I've had Helleborus niger survive for more than 12 months! Albeit I've kept it in its 3" tube in a tray so is kept moist through the summer.
Helleborus niger 'Pink Flush' from Post Office Farm in Ashbourne, a most remarkable place,
cheers
fermi
Always good to have something new going Fermi! Actually I don't find Helleborus niger at all easy - I think many UK gardeners don't, even though it's widely available. Maybe it dislikes wet winters here. Possibly it also needs quite a lime-rich environment? Anyway, I have never managed to keep it going in North Wales.
Cheers, Tristan
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Thanks, Tristan.
I think this one is destined for life in a container
cheers
fermi
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Last month our AGS Vic group paid a visit to Post Office Farm to see Peter and Cathryn.
Peter welcomed our group and had some special plants selected for us to purchase.
Including new seedlings raised from the Japanese cultivar 'Cleopatra', a new range in Helleborus x hybridus, and the rarely sold Helleborus thibetanus,
cheers
fermi
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Peter and Cathryn took us for a "behind the scenes" look at the nursery including the seed raising area
cheers
fermi
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In the growing-on area they evaluate plants that may appear a bit different.
Like gold-leaf Helleborus niger
and oak-leaf forms
and doubles
and variegated Helleborus lividus
cheers
fermi
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In the stock and breeding poly-house there were many stunning plants including a beautiful double white with spotted maroon centre.
Also the parent Helleborus thibetanus,
cheers
fermi
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Gesundheit!
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Fermi
Peter has a breeding programme to rival the best in the world. Visted him many years back and even then he was well on his way to developing many unique doubles. He has sourced breading stock from leading breeders/
Helleborus . hybridus doubles???
Jeff
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Actually I don't find Helleborus niger at all easy - I think many UK gardeners don't, even though it's widely available. Maybe it dislikes wet winters here. Possibly it also needs quite a lime-rich environment? Anyway, I have never managed to keep it going in North Wales.
Also here H.niger can be shortlived, or else I have had bad luck. But it seeds around so there are always new plants so I don't mind.
If H. x hybridus would die so easily that would be upsetting, but I'm so happy they grow better:).
Thank you for showing pictures from your visit to Helleborus breeder, there are great looking plants there!
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How old are the oldest clumps of your Helleborus x hybridus?
Do you think they need to be divided from time to time, or can they grow for many decades?
This is my biggest H.x hybridus, planted as a seedling ten years ago, and every year it just gets bigger and bigger. I'm wondering if there comes a time when it is "too" old, and starts to set back?
Picture is from last May, now they are all under snow.
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Fermi - great images from the AU nursery.
Not that I'm a big fan of them but the forms with variegated foliage have an interesting look.
All those seedling pots made me feel sorry I didn't sow any last summer; Helleborus are so delightful to grow from seeds, but then one would have to open a nursery :)
How old are the oldest clumps of your Helleborus x hybridus?
Do you think they need to be divided from time to time, or can they grow for many decades?
This is my biggest H.x hybridus, planted as a seedling ten years ago, and every year it just gets bigger and bigger. I'm wondering if there comes a time when it is "too" old, and starts to set back?
Picture is from last May, now they are all under snow.
My oldest Helleborus x hybridus is only 5 years old, but as large as your beautiful yellow. It was an extremely vigorous seedling and it looked gigantic from the first year.
This doesn't answer your question though. But I've seen very old H. x hybridus in a garden, maybe 20 years at least and they were doing perfectly well.
I don't think they need to be divided like other perennials. But it would be interesting to hear what other people who have old specimens have to say on the subject.
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My oldest Helleborus x hybridus is only 5 years old, but as large as your beautiful yellow. It was an extremely vigorous seedling and it looked gigantic from the first year.
This doesn't answer your question though. But I've seen very old H. x hybridus in a garden, maybe 20 years at least and they were doing perfectly well.
I don't think they need to be divided like other perennials. But it would be interesting to hear what other people who have old specimens have to say on the subject.
Gabriela, you must have a perfect spot for your big Helleborus, mine grow much slower. And it must be a very good seedling, too.
I'm looking forward to hearing more experiences with old specimens:).