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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Anders on February 10, 2020, 10:06:32 AM
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The winter has been exceptionally warm in Denmark this year and Calanthe sieboldii started growing in the greenhouse already in January. I brought it inside in an unheated room when the flowerspikes appeared.
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Thats a gorgeous clear yellow. Can you also grow calanthe outside? I'm not sure how cold you get.
I've got another question for you regarding growing from seed. I pulled some 5 mm dact out of their jar and potted them up. I'd had them chilling in the fridge for a month or two. Some of the baby plants I put under lights inside and some I put out in my unheated greenhouse (frost free). They all rotted. Do you think these plants were just too small or should I have waiting until they put on new growth? The jars are pretty crowded and it will be difficult to separate them out if I subculture them.
Are you going to the big rock garden conference in May 2021? If so maybe I'll see you there. I've already registered for the conference and the seven day pre-tour.
Jan
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Hi Jan. Taught by experience (and many dead Calanthes), I now grow all but tricarinata in the greenhouse plunged under the staging where they are protected against cold, wet winters and direct sun. C. tricarinata tolerates the Danish climate well, probably because it comes from higher elevation than most, up to 3500 meters according to Flora of of China. I grow tricarinata in a cold frame to avoid winter wet. C hancockii and C. davidii are also from high elevation (up to 3600m and 3300 m, respectively), but they didn’t last long in the garden - the problem might have been the inexperienced gardener rather than the plants. They should be worth trying again some time. C. alpina may also be fully hardy as it is found up to 3500 m, but I have never managed to get my hands on it.
I am surprised that your Dactylorhiza seedlings rotted. In my experience, even very small Dactylorhiza seedlings can be deflasked without problems as long as the compost doesn’t dry out. I use an almost inorganic mix of 1 part loam and 4 parts sand (0-4 mm). Don’t use spagnum peat and apply only very dilute liquid fertiliser for instance 1:10 of the normal strength. They need at least 6 weeks chilling.
I won’t be going to the rock garden conference. I am often away at conferences or doing field work , so I try to spend as much time as possible with my kids.
Anders
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Ophrys kotschyi -Two different plants.
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Ophrys tenthredinifera
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Ophrys mammosa
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Ophrys bombylifera
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Anders, I think I now know why the few dacts I deflasked did so poorly. I planted them in a peat based soil without lots of grit. They also may not have had a full six weeks of chilling. I'm going to try again about mid March with a very gritty soil and see if I'm more successful.
I was just given a calanthe this weekend. I'll be trying it outside since it has been successfully grown outside in Seattle, about 300 kilometers north of us. In theory we're a bit colder but it's worth a try. I'll be doing a little more research on what it likes before I plant it out.
Too bad you can't come to the conference next year but I understand. I couldn't go to the last one because my kids were still in high school. Now they're on their own and I'm fancy free. I just hope the whole corona virus thing doesn't screw up the conference.
Jan
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Ophrys speculum
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Ophrys regis-ferdinandii
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Ophrys ferrum-equinum
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Lovely photos Steve do like the colouring of the O. speculum on the left in the first photo.
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Anacamptis papilionacea ssp. heroica
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Anacamptis papilionacea
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Orchis provincialis
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Orchis quadripunctata
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Orchis anatolica
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Great plants Steve, I especially like provencialis. Small detail, pyramidalis should be papilionaceae.
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Thanks Anders.
One dram too many tonight!
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Found this morning in my new garden : in a scarce "lawn", dry, well drained soil, at the very foot of an old lime tree.
About 12 cm high.
Love its black "eyes" and furry dark cloak...
I had never seen it here (zone 7, at the foot of the Alps mountains): we usually have Ophrys apifera here, but this one is different, smaller and much earlier!
My guess would be Ophrys sphegodes, but I'm not familiar enough with terrestrial orchids to be sure.. any identification would be welcome! Thanks in advance!
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Anacamptis papilionacea x morio
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Ophrys calocaerina
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Ophrys picta
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Ophrys sp. Oestrifera group
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Orchis anatolica -the lip colour of pollinated flowers darkens.
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Calanthe sp. -not one to set the heather alight!
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Steve,
My granddaughters and I are enamoured of your bee orchids. Is there a North American source?
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Many thanks Diane.
Unfortunately I am not aware of a Canadian/US source of Bee Orchids. The plants I grow are raised from seed in European commercial labs or by skilled contacts using in-vitro techniques at home. You would need to get Cites paperwork to import them.
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Orchis italica
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Serapias cordigera x neglecta
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Tristan, with reference to the Orchis italica, the leaves don't look right, do they have any crinkling along the edges of them as in the photo in this link http://www.fascinationoforchids.com/species/Blog/Apr%2019/Scott%20McGregor/Orchis-italica%20spotted%20vs%20plain%20leaf%20forms.jpg (http://www.fascinationoforchids.com/species/Blog/Apr%2019/Scott%20McGregor/Orchis-italica%20spotted%20vs%20plain%20leaf%20forms.jpg)
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Hi Neil, now you mention it, they don't! I only got this one in the autumn. What do you think it might be - a hybrid perhaps?
The leaves were spotted although these have faded quite a bit now.
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Tristan, are you able to take a better photo of the flower head leaves, as that one is not very shape to see the detail. I’m not sure what it is at present.
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Here you go Neil, also closeup of the flower. Any thoughts welcome!
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I would say it is italica, however, I have asked others for their opinion.
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The opinion is, it is italica, there are examples that do not have crinkly leaves in Greece.
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OK Neil, thanks. Orchid identification is a minefield....
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Rob Burch at Gardens at Post hill rases Cypripedium and Dactylorhiza from seeds as well as a few others.
I do not know if he also has/ have had Orphys as well.
He is a nice man to converse to so it might be worth asking for it.
Maybe it could be possible to use seeds from garden plants in US or Canada to raise plants. It takes some time to get flowering size.
Best of luck
Joakim
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Two self-pollinating species flowering in the greenhouse today, Neolindleya (Gymnadenia) camtschatica and Ophrys apifera. The ophryses are three years old seedlings.
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Two self-pollinating species flowering in the greenhouse today, Neolindleya (Gymnadenia) camtschatica and Ophrys apifera. The ophryses are three years old seedlings.
camtschatica as real different shape from our local species.
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Orchis mascula early purple orchid, flowering locally about a week ago.
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What terrific pictures from you all they certainly brightened up my day.
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Orchis italica - a couple of different clones.
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Orchis x bivonae -two different clones. This is the natural hybrid of Orchis italica and Orchis anthropophora (=Aceras anthropophorum.
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Serapias orientalis
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Serapis cordigera
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Some Australian terrestrial orchids (all can take a few degrees of frost):
Thelymitra rubra
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Diuris orientis
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Caladenia flava x (latifolia x flava)
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Pterostylis baptistii
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Thanks for posting these Steve.
The variation in Orchidaceae is amazing. I was particularly surprised by the 'Donkey Orchid'!
Tim DH
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I was particularly surprised by the 'Donkey Orchid'!
Tim DH
The Donkey Orchid (Diuris) grow wild in my neighborhood along with many wonderful Oz terrestrial species, the helmet orchids being my favorite.
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Hi Steve. Thanks for posting. Seedlings from your T. rubra look like this now, almost two years after I received the seeds. Should come out of the jar this autumn.
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My Dactylorhiza ochroleuca x sambucina hybrids are flowering now for the first time. I hoped to get some nice, easily grown, yellow dacs, which should not be too much to ask given the nice colors of the parents. What I got was different shades of purple with a yellow tone. I have crossed some of the lighter hybrids and hopefully, there will be a few yellows in the F2 generation 3 years from now.
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Well done with the Thelymitra seed Anders!!!
The Dact ochroleuca x sambucina seedlings you gave me have also flowered in light purple.
A couple more Thelymitra:
Thelymitra megacalyptra
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Thelymitra glaucophylla
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Bletilla striata 'Albostriata'
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Cypripedium parviflorum.
Rimmer de Vries collected it in a power line right of way in SE Michigan and shared a start with me in 2012. I dug it last year to divide but the clump was so congested I was only able to get three starts to share with others.
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Very nice Claire! :o
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what a clump!
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a darkish form of Dactylorhiza
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Eleorchis japonica
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Pogonia ophioglossoides
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Anacamptis coriophora. This is darker than I was expecting (and also smaller-flowered). Nice little thing though!
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A pale example of Early-purple Orchid, Orchis mascula.
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A lighter form of Dactylorhiza
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Dienia ophrydis (J.Koenig) Seidenf.
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Dactylorhiza x foliorella
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Dactylorhizas have seeded all over with many variations in leaf and flower. Here are a few examples.
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Fine plants above.
Disa x kewensis (D. uniflora x D. tripetaloides) sharing with Pinguicula grandiflora
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Bee orchids at the Norfolk and Norwich Hospital, enjoying the short grass around the helipad and currently protected from the mowers.
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Stunning Bee orchids. Magical!
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Yesterday Brian and I went off to Nob End which is quite near us looking for orchids. Getting on for 100 years ago this used to be a spoil tip for a chemical works and it has been a good place for orchids ever since. I am probably going to bore the pants off you orchid experts because I think all these are Marsh orchids but I'm going to show you every one we found.
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I am always amazed that they manage to fight their way through the undergrowth. This year most of them were under 5 inches tall which I put down to the dry spring.
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We found plants with spotted and foliage and without. I took the pics with my camera which I don't usually do but I was glad of it when it started raining since the lens doesn't get wet.
As you can see the second one in this group is beginning to go over.
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As you can see there is quite a variety of shades.
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Towards the end of our foray we found two specimens which were closer to a foot in height. 27a and 28a. After this we made a swift retreat as we and the orchids were dripping.
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Wow! Shelagh, just WOW!!!!
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Thanks Maggi.
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Amazing, Shelagh!
I have a small colony and two small clumps of spotted heath orchid (Dactylorhyza maculata) in the wood at the back of the ponies fields. In the roadside field near my house there is a large and growing patch of northern marsh (Dactylorhyza purpurella) but it is an escape from my garden. I don't know where the nearest natural colony is.
I've been visited by the black death in the garden so don't seem to have many growing in the soil just now though there are plenty as interlopers in pots.
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I've no idea where this one could have come from. It is in a pot with another two purple ones and was sitting outside the greenhouse door. When I am repotting and find an orchid tuber I usually pot it separately often more than one in a pot. I don't know if it was in one of my own pots or if it came with something I had bought. The flower looks ok for Dactylorhyza purpurella and the leaves are unspotted but I haven't seen any record of a white one. There are some nearly white D. maculata with minimally spotted leaves in a wood about half a mile away but I have never seen a pure white one. I'll enjoy it while it lasts anyway and hope it survives and multiplies.
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Those are lovely Roma. I just love the markings and the variations. Very jealous of your immaculate white one.
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The Dactylorhyza purpurella have escaped from my garden and are colonising a boggy patch beside the ditch at the bottom of one of my ponies fields. There is quite a big patch which is spreading and I've seen more a bit away. It is a Scottish native but I don't know where the nearest natural colony is.
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Up over the hill towards the other end of the grazing is a small but spreading patch of Dactylorhyza maculata ssp. ericitorum and two small clumps. There are a few single orchids just outside the fence.
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The flowers in the wood are mostly pale in colour but the ones outside the fence which get more light are a bit more pink.
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Today I went with a colleague to look round an old pit tip near the local patch. There were Pyramidal Orchids everywhere.
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Epipactis helleborine invited itself into my garden from heaven knows where. Some plants have nice color variations.
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I can't remember now if I started off with 12 or 18 Ponerorchis tubers in 2 lots from T&M many years ago but this is the only survivor. It is a while since it was repotted. I keep it dry in winter and it pops up again in spring when I start watering.[attachimg=1]
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Ophrys schulzei
Rare species
Orchid
Akkar trail
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Platanthera holmboei
My new record orchid to lebanon in akkar
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Orchis simia
Akkar trail
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The "Monkey Orchid"? I think that it also grows in the UK and France?
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Yes, it is Monkey orchid that grows in Europe and the Middle East countries like Lebanon here ( akkar )
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And this ophrys bornmulleri
Akkar lebanon
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Hybrid
Orchis simia × Orchis punctulata
Akkar trail
Lebanon
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Orchis anatolica albiflora
Akkar trail
Lebanon
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Anacmaptis laxiflora
Akkar trail
Lebanon
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Anacamptis papilonacea
Akkar trail
Lebanon
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Himantoglossum comperianum
Orchid
Akkar trail
Lebanon
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that is a beautiful picture Ali
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Ophrys episcopalis
Ophrys libanoticum
Orchid
Akkar trail
Lebanon
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Thank you Peter
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"This is me in December on the Akkar trail. the trees are Abies cilicica and the mountain is. Amouaa" akkar
Lebanon
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Steve Garvie, your picture of Anacamptis papillionacea is beautiful. In Akkar we have Anacamptis papillionacea ..
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David Nicholson, your clumps of Dactylorhiza are very pretty. How old are they?
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My name is Ali Taleb, I am 22 years old, an agricultural engineering student; I started working mainly on flowers 4 years ago. We have an environmental group called the Akkar Trail, which aims to stimulate sustainable eco-tourism and document all the biological diversity found in Akkar within walking paths, and we photograph and collect data on all this diversity within Akkar Path,We have our dog her name is windy 10 months old and she always accompanies us on our tours
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Habenaria limprichtii in the greenhouse. It is really difficult to see where the stigma is, perhaps the horizontal lobes beneath the pollinia? Flora of China says hardy up to 3500 m which should translate into something like worth trying in a frame here north of Copenhagen.
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Hi Ali,
Thanks for sharing your pictures… It amazing how often one can walk the same paths and still come up with something new… Last month, for the first time, I spotted Frog Orchids in a pasture I’ve been walking through for well over 40 years!
Apologies for the poor photo, I was walking ‘against the clock’ at the time. Trying to complete The Three Peaks of Yorkshire AND catch the last train home!!
Tim DH
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Anacamptis morio x papilionacea is flowering for the second time this year, which I am not at all sure is a good thing. I tried to pinch out the spike but the bottom bit is still coming. Hopefully it won't try to go dormant over winter.
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My Orchis italica that generated some discussion up threat is up again after its summer dormancy. This season the foliage is a bit more crinkly and it has a few spots, so a bit more typical of the species.
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A new video about turkish and greek orchids, some well known autorities in the terrestrial orchids world appear in the video such as Dr Paulus.
https://gofile.io/d/6MEvhc (skip the ad for the vpn)
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Spathoglottis affinis
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Spathoglottis affinis
That's a beautiful flower, aldo.
What conditions does it need?
cheers
fermi
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Ciao Fermi, the pot is placed in a saucer where there is also a Cyrtopodium andersonii, and I treat them in the same way, dry winter rest at about 10/12 degrees, abundant watering and fertilization during spring and summer.
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Pterostylis obtusa