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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: mark smyth on December 13, 2009, 10:23:06 PM
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Hopefully the forecast frosts will hold back the snowdrops for a while.
Autumn flowering snowdrops are finished in my garden and many winter flowerers are out already - Vic Horton, John Long, Vera Trum, Marjorie Brown, Haydn ....
Here's 'Yvonne Hay' and something, for now, I don't recognise - it's Ding Dong
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You have 'Yvonne Hay' out now Mark? I'm not seeing its shoots above ground yet!
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Two out of three are up, Anthony
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Up and out or just up? Did you take these pics recently?
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two up and out with photos of both taken today
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I saw five pots of Yvonne Hay fully out 10 days ago,in fact not far of going over. Mine are only just through.
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My Yvonne Hay has just broken the surface of the pot.
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Art - Interesting the variations on emergence. No sign of my Yvonne Hay yet.
johnw
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I have three in flower in one part of the garden and in two other locations they are just about to come into flower although these are in a colder part of the garden that doesn't get much light at this time of the year.
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Must have another look in the garden to see what's showing.
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I've just checked and my Y. H. are about 2 inches out of the ground - a long way from flowering.
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My YH are only just through, but I do have flowering Britten's Kite, Colossus, Elwesii var. monostictus, Mrs MacNamara, Three Ships, Rev Hailstone and Three Leaves. A covering of snow for north London and Hertfordshire today, and down to -4 here late last night. I think a cold spell acts as a cleanser for the garden - and justifies a rabbit stew with Worcester sauce.
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Put the recipe in Cooks Corner please Steve, I'll have a go at that.
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Christmas is coming and to prove it I saw Three ships come sailing by ::)
G Three Ships
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But I can count 4! ;)
Very nice Ian - mine are in your wake.
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There seems to be a big difference in flowering times between different gardens. We stiil have Three Ships, Aex Duguid, Green Smudge and Little Nell looking good, I think! They are now under about 4 inches of snow! They others Steve mentioned were only just showing - well off flowering! It's so cold here that they are flat on their backs even in the greenhouse! Here are some pictures I took of Green Smudge and Little Nell I took before the big freeze.
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Michael could you post larger photos or name your images? I can only just make out the green tip on first image
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There are green tips? :o
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Very light yellowish, hes got very keen eyes ;D I would not have noticed alone 8)
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Anyone growing ?(elwesii monostictus x Allenii) 'Orion'?
I feel my plants are straight elwesii. When the snow goes I'll get a photo of the leaves
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I didn't think X Alleni produced viable gametes?
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Anthony, O/K male gametes are sperm and female gametes are eggs? cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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I think 'Three Ships' may, if the weather holds, just bloom on the correct day. :D
+3c here and a bit of drizzle. We got 10 cm of snow last night from the big USA storm but melting away already.
johnw
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Anthony, O/K male gametes are sperm and female gametes are eggs? cheers Ian the Christie kind.
In higher plants these equate to pollen and ovules.
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Anyone growing ?(elwesii monostictus x Allenii) 'Orion'?
I got 'Orion' earlier this year in a swap with another forum member. It is in a pot and it was in flower but last time I looked the flower had drooped over the side of the pot and was laying on the ground in the cold weather!
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Always try to be of service, Mark. When I tried bigger pictures it said my file was too big but here is another picture of 'Green Smudge'.
When its flower is fully expanded the claw is nearly as long as the inner segment. The outers are about 33mm.
I think it is pure G. elwesii.
Little Nell is a hybrid of something with G. plicatus. It has very rounded flowers with outers of very thick substance. There are 2 scapes per bulb. The inner mark is best described as an inverted Y. Will try to post another picture when it opens more.
Its form reminded us of Little Dorrit (same leaf type) but flowering very early rather than late as wilh little Dorrit
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Always try to be of service, Mark. When I tried bigger pictures it said my file was too big but here is another picture of 'Green Smudge'.
When its flower is fully expanded the claw is nearly as long as the inner segment. The outers are about 33mm.
I think it is pure G. elwesii.
Little Nell is a hybrid of something with G. plicatus. It has very rounded flowers with outers of very thick substance. There are 2 scapes per bulb. The inner mark is best described as an inverted Y. Will try to post another picture when it opens more.
Its form reminded us of Little Dorrit (same leaf type) but flowering very early rather than late as wilh little Dorrit
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Sorry, seem to have hit something twice!
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Sorry, seem to have hit something twice!
M m must be the c c cold Mike!
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Michael, look at Mark's photo in Reply #19 on: December 20, 2009, 10:13:47 PM, above....galanthus orion.jpg......... it is only 48.22 KB but a very nice viewing size of 700x676 pixels.
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elwesii 'Orion' is a seedling of elwesii 'Comet'
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I just realised non of my Castlegar in the garden came up this year
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Mark
No sign of my Castlegar until ten days ago; then one nose appeared and flowered within three days, and then the rest of the clump of five appeared and threatened to open flowers just before the snow hit here six days ago. Don't give up on them yet.
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Two pictues of Little Nell taken mid-December 2008.
I hope these are a bit bigger. I have used e-mail size 600x 450 instead of blog size. When I tried custom size it wouldn't give me anything bigger than 100x100??
Re: Prices in the North Green catalogue. £35 min. for Remember Remember!!! I think I bouught it from them for about £10 - 15 a few years ago. I thought inflation was supposed to be negative at the moment!
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Super size of photo, Michael!
8)
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Two pictues of Little Nell taken mid-December 2008.
I hope these are a bit bigger. I have used e-mail size 600x 450 instead of blog size.
Perfect. 8)
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Michael, Photoshop or similar will allow you to have a better range of photo size but what you have now posted is great
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She is a beauty Mike 8)
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What nice pics of a lovely snowdrop Michael.
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Two open today - Fieldgate Prelude and Three Ships (not playing by the rules). I guess the latter may fully open in tomorrow sunshine so I will forgive.
+6c and cloudy here today.
johnw
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Goodness me! Every white label = Galanthus '?'
Why arent they playing by the rules?
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Goodness me! Every white label = Galanthus '?'
Fraid so.
Why arent they playing by the rules?
Why Mark, you know 'Three Ships' should come sailing in on Christmas Day in the morning!
Sun tomorrow so I will re-shoot.
johnw
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Any time from late November is good enough for Three Ships. I thought you meant it was late
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Sun tomorrow so I will re-shoot.
Good luck with the sun!
t00lie in NZ said it was a fine day there ( where it is Christmas Day) but that showers were threatened so the evening BBQ might suffer.... here in Aberdeen it is raining steadily......so much for my prediction that we had enough snow to keep the ground white for reindeer hoofprints to show tonight :-X
On the other hand, if all the snow does melt, I'll be able to see how the snowdrop flowers have coped with the weight of snow that has been squishing them for the last while... :-\
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snowdrops lifted their heads here around 4pm but they are flat again
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Goodness me! Every white label = Galanthus '?'
Fraid so.
Crivens! :o So many snowdrops. ;D I am already looking forward to all the photographs ahead of us.
Sun tomorrow so I will re-shoot.
Good luck with the sun!
t00lie in NZ said it was a fine day there ( where it is Christmas Day) but that showers were threatened so the evening BBQ might suffer....
I had a BBQ here yesterday as it was so sunny. 8)
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We've still got 4" of snow and minus temperatures again. No more snow since we have a five minute flurry yesterday afternoon. Must invest in some of these November/December flowering plants, but not this year.
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I do hope that Marcus H. brings in 'Three Ships' and 'Little Nell' at some point (if he hasn't already). I just love the shape of them. I've been admiring TS for some time on these forums, it just looks to have such great substance. I rather like John's 'Fieldgate Prelude' as well. Nice markings. 8)
Thanks all.
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One of the flowers in my garden today.
G. elwesii 'X-Files'
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Good name. Aren't there others with that marking already named though?
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Paul, Maidwell L, Daphne's Scissors and Kite look very similar.
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My thoughts on Galanthus full-stop ;)
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X-Files is an early flowerer here so I like it as it helps to prolong the season.
The book says it is taller than the others too.
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I think similar looking snowdrops are OK if they can be identified by their flowering time. Single mark snowdrops lead to a lot of confusion. If you cant identify a snowdrop by looking at it with the book dont buy it. It's very easy to have a big collection where no two snowdrops look the same
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It's very easy to have a big collection where no two snowdrops look the same
All very well Mark, if you have a) the contacts or b) the money.
Personally I too am looking for snowdrops to extend the season at both ends so 'X-Files' blooming now would be a good one to have. At the moment all I have in flower are Three Ships, Barnes, Alex Duguid and Sybil Stern so that would be a welcome addition.
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It's very easy to have a big collection where no two snowdrops look the same
All very well Mark, if you have a) the contacts or b) the money.
Brian - I have an inkling there is no shortage of great ones at #24 in Norwich. ;D
John - Nice one. Amazing that your snow is gone and the snowdrops have perked up so quickly.
We are expecting rain and then will plunge to a high a -8c later in the week.
johnw
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It's very easy to have a big collection where no two snowdrops look the same
Personally I too am looking for snowdrops to extend the season at both ends so 'X-Files' blooming now would be a good one to have. At the moment all I have in flower are Three Ships, Barnes, Alex Duguid and Sybil Stern so that would be a welcome addition.
I am trying to do three things with my collection - 1) get distinct forms, 2) add early ones, 3) add late ones
So..... swap you an X-Files for a Sybil Stern one day? ;)
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I've just been sent a photo of plicatus Mary Hely-Hutchinson for my web site. What a lovely addition to the October flowerers.
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/plicatus%20mary%20hely.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/plicatus%20mary%20hely.html)
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So..... swap you an X-Files for a Sybil Stern one day?
Done ;)
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...and I'd certainly get Mary Hely-Hutchinson if I could find her!
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Me too.
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As interest in snowdrops begins to surge my snowdrop site is up a million to number 6,034,639
You might be interested in the following
Avon Bulbs 1,659,106
Broadleight Bulbs 2,343,573
Judy's Snowdrops 6,882,222
Pitcairn Bulbs 7,341,343
Colesbourne 12,387,714
Dryad 17,126,384
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...and I'd certainly get Mary Hely-Hutchinson if I could find her!
Me too.
Me three ;D
She would be a very nice addition to the early few that are drawing me outside and cheering my winter blues. 8)
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That's not my Dryad is it???
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That's not my Dryad is it???
yup! Not bad, eh??!! 8)
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Galanthus 'Mary Hely-Hutchinson' is certainly a beautiful snowdrop.
Paddy
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How do you know?
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How do you know?
Hi Anne,
On the presumption that your question follows on my comment that "G. 'Mary Hely-Hutchinson' is a certainly a beautiful snowdrop", I am basing my comments on Mark's photograph above and on comments of friends who have this plant. I don't, unfortunately, have any bulb myself - I live in hope. I particularly the length of the outer petals, very elegant in my opinion. I also have an interest in the snowdrop as it is of Irish origin, from the garden of Robin Hall, Primrose Hill, Lucan, Co. Dublin.
Paddy
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Actually my question was to Mark or Maggi, but I agree with you about the snowdrop. Also any that flower this early are welcome, more so than late flowerers, I think, by which time white fever can be waning.
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It's a good placing Anne.
If I'm bored some day I'll look up more web sites. I guess as interest is plants grows because of the season and like Anne told me catalogues come out web sites will have a surge of interest
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never knew about the Dryad website so I took a look
nice bulbs,nice pictures,nice ferns so I have to look again in ordering time
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Loes, here you can see all forum members who have a web site
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=mlist;sort=websiteUrl;start=0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=mlist;sort=websiteUrl;start=0)
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I just created a new page for my web site to let you see when people use it. These stats are based on the 12 months of 2009. Pale blue is the number of hits
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/webstats2.htm (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/webstats2.htm)
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This snowdrop was shown last year. It is labelled 'Lola' for Lost Label.
The only two I cannot account for are Robin Hood and elwesii 'Alanja'. Lola doesn't match Robin hood and Alanja is reported to be big and vigorous which Lola certainly is. In the meantime has anyone come across a true Alanja? I will post a shot when it opens this year, maybe more fully.
johnw
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which is which in the photos? The lower one looks to me as being just elwesii elwesii
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which is which in the photos? The lower one looks to me as being just elwesii elwesii
Mark - Both are the same - #1 from today, #2 from last year.
johnw
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Maggi, White Fever is really kicking in. My ranking is now 5,565,564 :D
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Mark, I blame the failure of the National Health System to get everyone properly vaccinated against the evil of the 'dropsy ;D ;)
I guess the coming turn of the year is getting everyone thinking about Spring 'drops......really good news for your viewing figures, congratulations!
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For the early snowdrop fans.
Here is another picture of Green Smudge taken yesterday and an elwesii seedling that has been in flower about 2 weeks.
My label says from Comet but it seems very early. The flower is quite large and with thick texture. If it flowers early next year it may be of interest.
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Michael the inner mark isnt as Comet should be
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Mark,
I think Michael meant that it was a seedling from Comet.
Paddy
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Hello,
here again a picture of my Galanthus reginae-olgae!
I showed a picture on Nov. 2009, when
it was just about to start to flower.
Now it is not very cold here, but two weeks ago we had -16 nights and -8 days!
The plants are protected by a frame!
All the best from Austria!
Herbert
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Don't they look good... and over a long period 8)
Illustrates the benefit of a frame as protection: I know some people think that a frame is not worth having, believing it will give too little protection but photos like this show better.
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Was it -16oC in the frame?
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Herbert,
What a wonderful clump of G. reg. olg. something so seldom seen. Your growing method, with the protection of a frame, certainly has worked for you and might well be worth imitating here where, although we are much milder, this snowdrop is still very shy of flowering in the open garden. It is also an absolute favourite of our garden slugs.
Great shot, many thanks, Paddy
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Hello Anthony,
Sure not -16 in the frame, but something close to -10. The Galanthus looked like some Corydalis - lying on the ground - and recovered quickly by the advance of warmer weather.
The key for flowering it in my conditions is to give it a severe summer drought!
All the best from Linz!
Herbert
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The key for flowering it in my conditions is to give it a severe summer drought!
Another thing for which the frame is useful. A good tip, Herbert.
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I see there will be an article on yellow snowdrops in The Plantsman next year.
johnw
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John - can you tell me who the author is?
Many thanks
Chris
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John - can you tell me who the author is?
Many thanks
Chris
Chris - It didn't mention the author. My renewal notice letter that came today had a list of about 4 future articles for 2010 and it listed amongst others: the origins of the yellow snowdrops. No authors were given for any of the articles and the notice was on the reverse of the returnable portion which, rats, I just posted. Maybe someone else could double-check.
johnw
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Hello. I have run across mention of this a few times here. There is "yellow" snowdrops????? Are any pics
around? Verrrry interesting!
John B
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Chris - It didn't mention the author. My renewal notice letter that came today had a list of about 4 future articles for 2010 and it listed amongst others: the origins of the yellow snowdrops. No authors were given for any of the articles and the notice was on the reverse of the returnable portion which, rats, I just posted. Maybe someone else could double-check.
johnw
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John B.... don't get over-excited... the yellow snowdrops are just snowdrops which have yellow ovaries and/or a little yellow in the markings...... nine times out of ten the things are not stable, and those that are are far from robust! Not worth raising your blood pressure over! ;)
( Now to sit back and see how long it taks a Galanthophile to rush out of his potting shed to beat me over the head and tell me I am a misguided and jaundiced old bag.........set clock............ ;D )
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Maggi, you know I'm not a Galanthophile...
But just to satisfy John B...
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Armin, I'll accept that this was just an act of kindness on your part to spread information!! ;) :D
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In the same manner, Maggi ;) :D
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John B.... don't get over-excited... the yellow snowdrops are just snowdrops which have yellow ovaries and/or a little yellow in the markings...... nine times out of ten the things are not stable, and those that are are far from robust! Not worth raising your blood pressure over! ;)
( Now to sit back and see how long it taks a Galanthophile to rush out of his potting shed to beat me over the head and tell me I am a misguided and jaundiced old bag.........set clock............ ;D )
Maggi you have surely missed the point-if you have a few of these and multiply them up you can swap them for really interesting things.
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John B.... don't get over-excited... the yellow snowdrops are just snowdrops which have yellow ovaries and/or a little yellow in the markings...... nine times out of ten the things are not stable, and those that are are far from robust! Not worth raising your blood pressure over! ;)
There are some highly virescent snowdrops where the green markings cover most of both the inner and the outer petals. And, as Maggi pointed out, there are snowdrops where those markings that are normally green are yellow (some of which are stable and robust). So surely it is only a matter of time before somebody breeds or discovers a lutescent snowdrop, being a yellow analogue of a virescent snowdrop?
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John B.... don't get over-excited... the yellow snowdrops are just snowdrops which have yellow ovaries and/or a little yellow in the markings...... nine times out of ten the things are not stable, and those that are are far from robust! Not worth raising your blood pressure over! ;)
( Now to sit back and see how long it taks a Galanthophile to rush out of his potting shed to beat me over the head and tell me I am a misguided and jaundiced old bag.........set clock............ ;D )
Maggi you have surely missed the point-if you have a few of these and multiply them up you can swap them for really interesting things.
Tony, most are not happy enough up here to thrive well enough to be swappable..... that is why the Castle Drops that are being selected by Ian the Christie Kind are so wonderful... they are robust growers, already predisposed to life in Scotland.... worth their little white weights in erythroniums (well, nearly!)
Besides, the BD is the most interesting thing I know, why on earth would I want to swap him?
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Maggi I'll have to send you a Wendy's Gold next year
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Mark,do you have Sophie North?
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Only a couple. I can ask others up here
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Hi all, the article about Yellow snowdrops is written by John Richards, yes the primula man, he gave a superb lecture on the Northumberland yellows in Edinburgh at the Snowdrop day. I look forward with interest to see if they have printed all Johns information??. cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Hi again, firstly thanks Maggie for the mention about the Castle snowdrops, I have some good chips almost ready so perhaps next year, sounds a long way away but this is the last day of 2009 and it is time to post this picture of Galanthus woronowii Elizabeth Harrison, this snowdrop is fantastic is hardy bulks up slowly and is named afte a wonderful friend who found the bulbs in her garden Elizabeth Harrison. I am writing this up for the SRGC journal, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Ian - many thanks for posting the name of the author of the article on yellow snowdrops - much appreciated.
Thanks also for posting this photo of your 'Elizabeth Harrison' - every time I see it it looks better & better, especially in a clump like this!
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Ian
Super snowdrop.
Steve
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Thanks for the information Ian, that is indeed a worthy yellow snowdrop, very attractive. ;D
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It's done really well since I saw the first bulb a few years ago
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Look forward to seeing that one on your stand Ian. ;)
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For those who want to see yellow snowdrops "live" :o I can recommend a visit during open days to the
"Oirlicher Schneeglöckchentage Feb. 27/28th., 2010" in Nettetal (Germany).
http://www.oirlicher-blumengarten.de/seiten/offene-tuer/offene-tuer.html (http://www.oirlicher-blumengarten.de/seiten/offene-tuer/offene-tuer.html)
Certainly many Forum members will show up there again. ;)
Cheers!
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Roll call in a cold garden this morning shows almost exactly 80% of snowdrop varieties are now showing - may be slightly higher if as suspected I have lost the odd bulb or so.
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Fabulous looking snowdrop, Ian. Go forth and multiply.
Paddy
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The combination of yellow ovary and glossy rich green leaves is lovely - one to watch out for.
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The combination of yellow ovary and glossy rich green leaves is lovely - one to watch out for.
Yes, even the BD likes it!! ;D
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Great combination with the yellow ovaries, Ian. Very, very nice. 8)
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Looks a lot like this one Ian ;D
cheers Gerard
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Beautiful clump, Gerard.
Paddy
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Unbelievable Ian and i must have taken a photo from the same clump ;D
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....Galanthus woronowii Elizabeth Harrison, this snowdrop is fantastic is hardy bulks up slowly....
Unbelievable Ian and i must have taken a photo from the same clump ;D
Could it be that there is only one clump of this snowdrop in existence?
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I'm sure I have seen some not too far away from me?
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I certainly hope it has been spread around - the stories of snowdrop
thefts are worrisome.
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I have been searching for a message about buds not opening - I'm sure
I read it recently, but I have searched to no avail. I won't say the time
was wasted, as I re-read a lot of interesting posts.
I have one bud - the first and only one this year - on one of my crosses.
It has had its nose in the air, still tight inside its spathe, for weeks. I
can't remember what the previous message said about buds not carrying
on till maturity, but would it be a good idea to pick the stem and bring it
inside. Would it mature in a vase in a warm place?
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I quite frequently see snowdrop buds that do not open. I have always assumed this was due to some check in the development of the bulb that prevented it from putting on enough growth in the autumn. Under those circumstances it makes sense for the bulb to put all its energies into the leaves so it can renew itself and to abort the flower. As I live in a dry part of the UK and bulbs in the drier parts of the garden seem more prone to this, I had assumed that the problem was a lack of water. Victoria B.C. averages about 1.5 times the rainfall of Cambridge UK so lack of water would be less of an issue there. Perhaps damage to the roots that prevents the bulb from taking up water might have the same effect? But I must emphasise I have no evidence to back up my conjectures.
In my experience, if you pick the non-opening bud and bring it inside it will sometimes open but usually not. If you leave it on the plant it will eventually begin to go black and rot away. At this stage you will probably want to remove the flower stem anyway, so you might as well pick it now and bring it inside.
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Hi all, you will be pleased to know that I have given some bulbs to trusted friend of G. woronowii Elizabeth Harrison. These friends are from as far South and North as I want to see if the bulbs still produce yellow flowers. I have chipped some bulbs which look o/k and wait for spring to see if they flower. I have also collected some seed from this yellow form and it will be interesting to see what comes up. I have consulted John Richards who has sown seed from the Northumberland yellows the results are most interesting and I do hope that this is written up in his article for the Plantsman. Elizabeth Harrison may allow me to sell some of these new bulbs but will have to wait to see how many flower if any. I will keep you posted, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Ian,
I really think you need to test out G. woronowii 'Elizabeth Harrison' in the south-east of Ireland!
Paddy
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It's a good idea to test the yellow woronowii. nivalis Eccuson d'Or is variable in colour depending on soil type. nivalis Sandersii and plicatus Wendy's Gold vary also.
Compare my Wendy's Gold
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/plicatus-wendys-gold.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/plicatus-wendys-gold.html)
to John Lonsdale's
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Complete%20Collection/Amaryllidaceae/Galanthus/slides/Galanthus%20Wendys%20Gold%200001.html (http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Complete%20Collection/Amaryllidaceae/Galanthus/slides/Galanthus%20Wendys%20Gold%200001.html)
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What's the difference, apart from the effect the lighting has on the colour?
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If it is down to light maybe everyone who grows plicatus Wendy's Gold and nivalis Sandersii Group should post photos for comparison
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Hi, I am sure that growing conditions and soil types plus if bulbs are in shade or full light makes a difference, I post two pictures of the same snowdrop growing in different areas the one with the blue leaves is in a Beech woodland and Beech leafmould contains some natural lime, the two Snowdrops are G. nivalis x G. plicatus but I could also post pictures of G. plicatus with blue leaves from the Beech woodland. cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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This is my Wendy's gold - I have to say I can't see any significant differences. The other plant is from a mixed pot from a local garden centre last year. It looks like a gracilis type, and I think it's quite a nice one.
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Lovely leaves Anne that will look great in a group.
Other variable yellows are Spindlestone and Primrose Warburg
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Anne, is that cotton seersucker cutie out now? That was a good find!
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Nice petals on your snowdrop, Anne; lovely texture.
Re colour variation in different situations: it is certain that photographs may show a difference in colours but it must be realised that this can be as a result of a different white balance in the shots. For genuine comparison, flowers from different situations/conditions need to be brought together and then compared and photographed.
Paddy
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If it is down to light maybe everyone who grows plicatus Wendy's Gold and nivalis Sandersii Group should post photos for comparison
I meant "modifying the colours in the picture", not the actual plant. The two you showed were taken in different light conditions and I could see no difference in colour.
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Anne, is that cotton seersucker cutie out now? That was a good find!
Just opened today, but it's in a glasshouse. Had to bring it into the kitchen to make it open wide enough to see the inner markings.
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Anthony have you never been to a garden where Wendy's Gold looks better than yours or maybe yours is a better plant? I have seen many that are superior to mine
These two plants are not showing good yellow
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Mark,
It's difficult to comment on the colours of the snowdrops shown. Both photographs are overexposed, the first more so than the second and that impinges on the colours in the shots.
However, I don't doubt your assertion, and Ian's, that plants will be show differences in colour under different growing conditions - even within the same garden, I imagine.
Paddy
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You could choose a yellow snowdrop that is fairly widely grown
and take along potted ones, and garden-grown ones cut and in
a vase, to a show, like the early bulb show in Wales. Set them
up with signs giving details of growing conditions.
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Certainly, Diane, one of the shows would be a great place to compare bulbs grown in different places and conditions. Interesting idea.
Paddy
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Anthony have you never been to a garden where Wendy's Gold looks better than yours or maybe yours is a better plant? I have seen many that are superior to mine
These two plants are not showing good yellow
I've had mine look green Paul, but that was a year after planting.
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Update on my reluctant bud:
I brought the pot into the house and cut away the transparent
cover. I wanted the petals to expand, but it wasn't quite that -
they slowly relaxed so that I can now see the inner markings.
The petals are thin-textured with not enough juice to have
opened on their own.
However, it is worthwhile, though disappointing, to see the
open flower. The pollen parent was Rosemary Burnham, but
one would never guess it from the seedling. Ah well, about
16 more still unflowered. Maybe next year.
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Oh Diane,
The impatience of some gardeners!
Paddy
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Ah, Paddy. A couple of months ago a club member sold off
some excess bulbs from his collection and I bought some and
potted them. They're flowering! I am so amazed. For years,
I have tended pots of green threads with nary a flower. It
gives me hope to carry on.
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Perhaps, I should have been more accurate and cited your actions as an example of the impatience of all gardeners.
I think we all do things like this from time to time.
Paddy
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However, it is worthwhile, though disappointing, to see the
open flower. The pollen parent was Rosemary Burnham, but
one would never guess it from the seedling. Ah well, about
16 more still unflowered. Maybe next year.
Diane,
From experience with numerous other genus (I've not flowered Galanthus from seed), you really cannot judge a plant from it's first flower, particularly when that flower has not fully formed. I have no idea whether the markings would be fully expressed in an unopen flower, particularly one that you mention was particularly thin textured. You may be surprised with the results from that bud next year. I've also had green tipped flowers open white, then have the green appear about 24 to 48 hours after opening, so you just never know what "would have been" with that flower if it matured.
My example that I have mentioned elsewhere on these forums before, is of a particularly crappy Helleborus seedling that I bought as a primrose yellow (seedling, so I knew the chances or non-yellow were quite high)..... when it first flowered it was a spidery, rubbish washed out pink that the only reason it was not composted was because I never got around to it. The second year it flowered it was a massive flower, beautifully round, great substance and good strong pink. It is still the best pink flowered Hellebore that I posses. If I'd judged it by the first year then I would never have found out. ;D ;D
You just sounded so dispirited that you ended up with a disappointing seedling..... I just wanted to mention that next year when it flowers again you may be somewhat surprised (or possibly not, but no point giving up just yet. ;))
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Thank you, Paul. You're right - hovering over a bud for a couple
of months does certainly set one up for disappointment. The pot
is off the table, out of my sight, and now I'm watching some hellebore
buds opening up that are unlike any I already have. They're even
looking good at this first flowering, so may well prove spectacular
next year, like your pink.
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Someone on Ebay is selling many unusual snowdrops but no photos to go with them
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I assume that you are talking about galanthusboy?
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Never having been bitten by the Galanthus bug, I post this not really knowing what it is other than that it came with the garden. It has a stick as it was sat flat under snow for a few days.
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Yes David. Do you know who he is?
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Yes! Will PM you if you want to know.
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David
Is he a reliable source or one deserving a wide berth ???
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I find Simon's photo very interesting. Are the inner petals really
yellow?
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I find Simon's photo very interesting. Are the inner petals really yellow?
They look pinkish like 'Jonathan' http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20elwesii%20jonathan.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20elwesii%20jonathan.html)
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No, they are yellowish- more so in real life than in the photo, but I don't know much about Galanthus and this one is just out as a wildling in the orchard.
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Post a guard!
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Post two!
johnw
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and chop it
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eek! Not if he has never done it before.
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Sorry, is this some lost language of the Galanthophiles? ???
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I'm referring to twinscaling it. Can you post a photo of it open wide?
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Mark means slicing the bulb into small pieces so that lots of tiny
bulbs will grow.
I tried it once and everything developed mould.
I intend to do it some more but never on a valuable bulb.
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David
Is he a reliable source or one deserving a wide berth ???
I have sent you a PM, Arthur.
Cheers,
David
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We can try for another pic tomorrow- there's a clump of them out there but this was the first one open.
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Is it a secret who galanthusboy is?
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Is it a secret who galanthusboy is?
It would seem so, Ann :P Perhaps it's a bit like Batman and Robin..... ::)
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Is it a secret who galanthusboy is?
It would seem so, Ann :P Perhaps it's a bit like Batman and Robin..... ::)
More a case, I believe, of not wishing to give free advertisement or criticising unfairly on the forum.
Paddy
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Yes, I'm sure you are correct, Paddy.
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I'm still visualising Del Boy and Rodney as Batman and Robin in a classic episode of Only Fools and Horses.
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Is it a secret who galanthusboy is?
It would seem so, Ann :P Perhaps it's a bit like Batman and Robin..... ::)
More a case, I believe, of not wishing to give free advertisement or criticising unfairly on the forum.
Paddy
You have it in one, Paddy.
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Well, here it is with its bits out for the boys (and girls) :-[
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Simon if you have more than one flower will you take it inside to open up and take a side view photo?
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Okay, Mark. I noticed when I held this one open that one of the inner petals is malformed and halfway to being the same size as an outer- except it is marked in green. I don't know if this is normal, but will look at the other buds when they open.
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Broadleigh have listed reginae x elwesii 'Autumn Beauty' in their catalogue that arrived today
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Couldn't keep you all in suspense any longer so i hope you don't mind me gatecrashing your party. I own up to having in the opinion of my wife the most embarrasing username on ebay ie galanthusboy but there you go. My name is Nigel Robinson and i hail from Sheffield. My passions are snowdrops, to a lesser extent ferns and trees particularly acers and oaks. Hopefully to satisfy your concerns about the quality of the plants i have for sale on e bay they are all from natural splitting and not twin scaling (although in future years that will not be the case) and come from a roll call of quality suppliers ie John Grimshaw at Colesbourne, Janet at Judys Snowdrops, Joe Sharman at Monksilver, The Snowdrop Company, North Green Snowdrops, Long Acre Plants, Christies, Ivyroft to name a few. The reason for there being no pictures on e bay is purely down to time but hopefully i will address this after January. My wife and i run our own accountancy practise and with about 50 tax returns still to complete and submit before the end of the month i cannot see me doing much "snowdropping" before February.
I will be at The Monksilver Gala and i hope to meet some of you. In any event this is an open invitation that should any of you galanthophiles find yourself visiting Gods own county of South Yorkshire you will always be welcome to call whatever time of year it is. My garden though is not quite Glen Chantry unfortunately.
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Hi, Nigel! Good to meet you and welcome to the Forum!
There are Drop Fiends aplenty hereabouts so if you need a galanthofix when the snow is on the ground you can have a whinge here with the others frustrated by the weather! At least with all the snow you have fewer little white and green distractions from the tax returns!! ;D :D ;)
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Good to have you with us, Nigel, and look forward to further contributions on the forum.
Paddy
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............... In any event this is an open invitation that should any of you galanthophiles find yourself visiting Gods own county of South Yorkshire............ .
Welcome Nigel. Just a small correction though. God may well have cast an approving eye on South Yorkshire but later opted for West Yorkshire, and more particularly Huddersfield, for his own. Maybe he didn't communicate the outcome of his deliberations although I believe Moses had it in the Tabernacles (and it was very painful too :o )
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............... In any event this is an open invitation that should any of you galanthophiles find yourself visiting Gods own county of South Yorkshire............ .
Welcome Nigel. Just a small correction though. God may well have cast an approving eye on South Yorkshire but later opted for West Yorkshire, and more particularly Huddersfield, for his own. Maybe he didn't communicate the outcome of his deliberations although I believe Moses had it in the Tabernacles (and it was very painful too :o )
David when I was passing through last week my usual thought came to mind on what is now the speed camera capital of the UK (you can loose your licence several times over passing through in either direction) - god forsaken.
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should any of you galanthophiles find yourself visiting Gods own county of South Yorkshire you will always be welcome to call whatever time of year it is.
I may well take you up on your offer, Nigel, if the weather here ever improves. We are expecting more snow tomorrow and Monday and I expect conditions are similar down in Sheffield.
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Welcome Nigel. Just a small correction though. God may well have cast an approving eye on South Yorkshire but later opted for West Yorkshire, and more particularly Huddersfield, for his own. Maybe he didn't communicate the outcome of his deliberations although I believe Moses had it in the Tabernacles (and it was very painful too :o )
Does that make you a splitter rather than a lumper, David? I'd be happy to see the two joined back together as the West Riding in the Autonomous Region of Yorkshire ;)
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Hello Nigel and welcome and thanks for solving the identity mystery. Good to have you here.
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............... In any event this is an open invitation that should any of you galanthophiles find yourself visiting Gods own county of South Yorkshire............ .
Welcome Nigel. Just a small correction though. God may well have cast an approving eye on South Yorkshire but later opted for West Yorkshire, and more particularly Huddersfield, for his own. Maybe he didn't communicate the outcome of his deliberations although I believe Moses had it in the Tabernacles (and it was very painful too :o )
David when I was passing through last week my usual thought came to mind on what is now the speed camera capital of the UK (you can loose your licence several times over passing through in either direction) - god forsaken.
Tony, your having chosen to live in Lancashire shows you not to be a man of good taste! ;D
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Welcome Nigel. Just a small correction though. God may well have cast an approving eye on South Yorkshire but later opted for West Yorkshire, and more particularly Huddersfield, for his own. Maybe he didn't communicate the outcome of his deliberations although I believe Moses had it in the Tabernacles (and it was very painful too :o )
Does that make you a splitter rather than a lumper, David? I'd be happy to see the two joined back together as the West Riding in the Autonomous Region of Yorkshire ;)
Simon, a splitter I shall be. You can't fight history. ;D The word "Riding" came into modern English via Old English which borrowed a word from Old Norse which translates as "a third part". Hence: East, West and North---- no South!!
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Hey, don't give up on them South Yorkshire is historically West Riding. I believe the administrative capital was Wakefield.
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Damn! Just noticed on ebay that Beth Chatto Gardens have named an elwesii 'Galadriel' after the Lady Of The Woods in Lord Of The Rings.
I was hoping to use the name for one of my own raisings in due course - when I found one that was really wonderful and deserving of the name, having fallen deeply in love with the Lady Galadriel when I first read the trilogy as a teenage schoolboy.
HMMMPH!! I'm not a happy snowbunny! :'(
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Damn! Just noticed on ebay that Broadleigh have named an elwesii 'Galadriel' after the Lady Of The Woods in Lord Of The Rings.
That's a shame Martin - such a good name for a beautiful woodland plant.
(I think it is the Beth Chatto Garden rather than Broadleigh)
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You're right, John. It's Beth Chatto. Don't know why I wrote Broadleigh. A great name for a snowdrop, especially for something like a really beautiful tall, strong poculiform snowdrop, pure white and perfectly shaped. I wouldn't personally have used it for a snowdrop with a green marking. I'd have thought it'd be better applied to a snowdrop that was all white. Oh well. C'est la vie.
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If yours really is beautiful what about Luthien Tinuviel?
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What is supposed to be distinctive about the ebay plant? It looks like any number of flowers available? :-\
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The name Anne? ::)
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Hmm, as Martin says - what a waste of a beautiful name.
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I agree. I suppose Arwen just doesn't cut it?
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I do agree that Galadriel would be perfect name for a poculiform 'drop.
Since Luthien Tinuviel is meant to be THE most beautiful elf, that seems a good choice, too.... but I think Arwen is "tainted" by the protrayal of the character in the films by a dark-haired actress..... not good for a snowdrop, I fear. :-\
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I have striped off Galadriel of my namelist too, but i will add Luthien Tinuviel although its looks like its from luthecens then!
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I do agree that Galadriel would be perfect name for a poculiform 'drop.
Since Luthien Tinuviel is meant to be THE most beautiful elf, that seems a good choice, too.... but I think Arwen is "tainted" by the protrayal of the character in the films by a dark-haired actress..... not good for a snowdrop, I fear. :-\
Cate Blanchett, on the other hand, was an excellent choice for the role of Galadriel - beautiful, strong, quite scary...
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Steady, Martin!! :o
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[...... Moses had it in the Tabernacles (and it was very painful too :o )
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Firstly many thanks to everybody for the welcome comments. David i don't know about Moses but on the basis that Sheffield experienced a flood of almost biblical proportions a couple of years ago even if he was here he isn't any more. His tabernacles are probably floating somewhere in the North Sea accompanied by a load of my snowdrops torn out when the stream that runs through our garden burst it's banks in the neighbours garden above us on the other side of the road, came down his drive and straight across our land. I came home to a scene of absolute devastation which was made even worse when i realised a prize clump of Spindlestone Surprise were no longer. I don't know who was more surprised Spindlestone or me.
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Post 1
A quick posting while I am home for lunch. -8c outside.
A few parties may need a lift today.
johnw
Galanthus Ding Dong
Galanthus Dionysius
Galanthus elwesii Alanaja
Galanthus elwesii Alanja
Galanthus forgot to write the name down!
Galanthus gracilis
Galanthus Headbourne
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Thanks for the lift John, good to see your pots are fulfilling their promise ;D
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Post #2
The first sunny day in weeks.
johnw
Galanthus Lavinia DSCN0036
Galanthus Lavinia DSCN0037
Galanthus Magnet
Galanthus plicatus Wendy's Gold (1st flowering)
Galanthus rizehensis
Galanthus Three Ships
Galanthus elwesii green tip (1st flower) barely showing green tips
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Thanks for the lift John, good to see your pots are fulfilling their promise ;D
Brian - Good to see you back. Now you have to guess the one I forgot to record - #33!
johnw
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John,
These are obviously grown under cover and are much ahead of snowdrops here. All looking well.
Paddy
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Galanthus forgot to write the name down!
Bess, S. Arnott?
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Galanthus forgot to write the name down!
Bess, S. Arnott?
The label says Mrs. Macnamara but the inner marking is too curved on top for that. I will compare with Bess. S. Arnott is just showing through.
johnw
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Is Madeleine a plicatus or a hybrid?
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I cant remember what she is. My photo just says the name because I forgot to note the leaves
Anne, I would say Galadriel was distinct by it's small inverted Y. I dont have a photo of a similar one
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Is Madeleine a plicatus or a hybrid?
Hi Diane
Judys Snowdrops website has it down as a plicatus
http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Plant_Profiles/plicatus/madelaine/madelaine.htm
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Ah. Spelling it 'Madelaine' makes Google happier.
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Anne, I would say Galadriel was distinct by it's small inverted Y. I dont have a photo of a similar one
Here's one I took earlier...Galanthus 'Wishbone' in a friend's garden.
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Nice one Brian. I think that I have a similar photograph from the same garden taken last year ;D
David
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I was just thinking the same ;)
Ebay Picture of Galadriel
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My picture of Wishbone
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Same plant - different names?
Paddy
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I have never seen Wishbone is it in the book? Galadrial diesnt seem to have the upper shading that is in Brian's photo but absent in John's
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Is Wishbone plicate? Galadrial is elwesii
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Sorry Mark, I can't tell from my original photo, perhaps one of the others can?
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Maybe you have a wider original photo or did you take the photo that close. Was it in Ann's garden?
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As I said that was my original photo.
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Hello All
I have spent the last couple of days reading through the earlier posts and found it fascinating :)... some cracking Galanthus images as well..
I am only in my 4 th year of growing Galanthus and enjoy doing so...currently having Magnet,John Gray,Wendy's Gold,Sophie North,Comet
most of mine are in pots...and feel I may have made a mistake doing so according to snippets I have picked up elsewhere..!! May I ask what preference would some of the forum members use..Pots or In the garden..??
Apologies if this topic has been covered by previous posts (I couldn't find it)
Thanks
Warren
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Hi Warren
When I buy a new snowdrop/s and the flower is over I keep the snowdrop/s in a 1L long tom. This allows me to get a good photo the following year. All other snowdrops except twinscales are in the garden or troughs
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Warren,
Good to have you on the forum and hope you enjoy it and contribute regularly during the season.
Personally, I grow all snowdrops in the open garden. Some certainly benefit from a raised bed situation to help with drainage or to give some extra heat. Some, of mine, might do better in a pot and under protection but I do not enjoy pot culture and persevere with growing in the open. Most snowdrops are very obliging and easy growing and will do well in the garden. Certainly, all those you mention above will do very well in the garden.
Paddy
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Hi Warren,
I agree with Mark, snowdrops like being in the garden and are less at risk of rots, being frozen,etc. Its just that in the garden its easy to lose sight of them during the summer and then put something else on top :-\
I try to stick to a rule of special snowdrops being planted 12 inches from the edge of the beds and herbaceous no closer than 18 inches. Then you just have to keep the herbaceous from spreading. A good dollop of sharp grit on top of each snowdrop as it dies back helps mark them. :)
Mind you, they like being cosseted in large plastic long toms with gritty loam , in an alpine house. :D
Actually, I don't think there's a definative answer. Just do what you enjoy most ???
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Hi Warren and welcome,I do have some snowdrops in pots,mainly ones that I have plenty of,to make room in the garden for others,and I find that they do reasonably well,although the ones in pots I keep on the shadier side of the grden,my thinking that the pots do not dry out too quickly in the summer
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Hi, Warren, a warm welcome to you.
As you may have gathered from reading these pages, I have a very healthy scepticism for the cult of snowdrop worship..... but some of my dearest friends grow the things, so I might be permitted a comment....! ;) ;D
Sandy Leven ( who has less time to spent in the Forum than in the past and who is therefore not likely to be around to answer your query himself) grows a great many snordrops.... all of them in pots. If you look at photos in the Forum from SRGC Early Bulb Day Displays, you will see ranks of pots of Sandy's plants... all looking very happy and healthy. Sandy lives in Dunblane , in central Scotland and I think some of his 'drops live in a cold frame..... must check on that...... point is that they can be grown successfully in pots as well as in the ground....so yes, the choice is yours :D
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Sandy's pots, those not in the coldframe, should have been Ok this year as they would have been under 8" of snow which is only now thawing.
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Hi Warren and welcome to the forum. Can't manage a warm one, as it's been snowing here all day.
I grow almost all my snowdrops in pots - although I do have a few in the garden and last year put in a few more.
They do well for me in pots, (I've never had Stag or narcissus fly, probably tempting fate by saying that) whereas in the garden, I find that clumps sometimes are dug up by squirrels or mice. One of the main reasons for growing them in pots is that I can appreciate them better in the winter from the shelter of the alpine house and if I put them in the garden I'm not sure I'd be able to tell some of them apart
;D ;D
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Hi, well I grow most of my snowdrops in net pots some round 5 inches across and some big ones around 12 inches across these I plunge in the garden then if I want a pot for show or just to photograph it is easy to lift that up which does not disturb the bulbs, then when the flowers are over I re-plant. The other thing is when you have a few snowdrops in one area if they are in these net pots they should not get mixed up ( A good metal tag is attached to each pot(, I add some sharp sand on top of the pots so if you start digging then you find the pots easier, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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I would like to thank you all for your kind replies.. :)
It truly has given me a lot to think about
I will enjoy having a ponder until my garden goes ice free..!! (like most in the uk)
Cheers
Warren
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Hi Warren
Are you in the UK? I find it really useful when someone has added a signature block with their rough geographical area when I read posts - gives me a clue if they are in a similar climate to me.
Here all my Galanthus are in pond baskets - most of which are plunged into the ground (though I seem to have run out of ground so there are quite a few just lined up where there is space ::) :))
Cheers
John
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Hi Warren
Are you in the UK? I find it really useful when someone has added a signature block with their rough geographical area when I read posts - gives me a clue if they are in a similar climate to me.
Here all my Galanthus are in pond baskets - most of which are plunged into the ground (though I seem to have run out of ground so there are quite a few just lined up where there is space ::) :))
Cheers
John
Hi John
Yes.. I live on the Wirral... sort of half way between Liverpool & Chester
Those pond baskets sound an excellent idea... I have a couple of ponds in my garden where I keep newts...so have baskets for those,,,icristie mentioned those before !!
With your Galanthus being in baskets John...do you re-plant them after the flowering season in new soil or just feed them ?
Cheers
Warren
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Welcome Warren, no end of good advice given on the forum, all of mine are in net pots, most of them in the ground - I must remember Ian's tip of a good dollop of sand on the top to mark them, although I think I will prefer grit.
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Hi Warren,
I used to have snowdrops in the garden and the same ones in pots in my greenhouse,so I could compare and enjoy .The ones in the pots didn`t do good for me,watering/feeding was clearly not my thing.
so all of them are in the ground in pond baskets.I have 3 cats who like to dig and this way they don`t get mixed up.
When they are in growth I do not dig them up cause I`m afraid I disturb the roots.
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Hi Warren
Although I try to grow snowdrops in the open ground and in some raised beds, I have quite a few in largish pots, 2.5 l, I think. These are kept outside and receive no special treatment, they are not manually watered or fed and I only change the compost every few years. The only thing I do is to try to find them a shady position, say under a hedge, for the summer.
The snowdrops grown is pots seem to do at least as well as the ones grown elsewhere. One reason for this is that they seem less prone to mysteriously disappear from one year to the next. I suspect that the ones grown in the ground are more prone to insect predation. I have certainly nursed snowdrops back to health in pots having found them half-eaten when planted out.
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Hi and welcome Warren. I'm very near you in the borough of Halton. I grow all my snowdrops in pots mainly to thwart squirrels. I am concerned though whether they will come through this prolonged cold spell without casualties, so maybe changes might be afoot. Time will tell.
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I just caught the end of an item on the BBC One Show this evening about a "new species" (!) of snowdrop with four petals "found" in the UK. Did anyone see it and how rare is it?
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Hi Richard,
I saw the item, was the garden called Welford? something like that. I grow a nivalis called 'Quadripetala', lots of my nivalis 'Sandersii' had 5 petals last year and' Mrs Thompson' and 'Godfrey Owen ' have 6 petals. I expect everyone else will come up with more multi petalled varieties, 'Flocon de neige' ?
So I don't think they have found a new' species'. Just a 4 petalled form of one of the known species.
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Hi Diane
I saw your post today at 4.39pm but the two smiley faces keep moving across the screen, so obviously I've had too much to drink so I'm going to bed. G'night. (Hic).
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Yes Jo, I think that the place mentioned. The piece was clearly presented by someone with less than no botanical knowledge, although they did manage to get the word galanthophile into it - but perhaps that was because they didn't know what it meant !
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I just caught the end of an item on the BBC One Show this evening about a "new species" (!) of snowdrop with four petals "found" in the UK. Did anyone see it and how rare is it?
For those of you who are UK based with access to the BBC iPlayer, the item on snowdrops starts 31 minutes into The One Show. I was more impressed with the quantity of snowdrops at Welford Park than with their four-petalled foundling. As Jo said, no indication that it is a new species, just, possibly, a new variety.
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Thanks for that reminder, Alan.
Good publicity for the snowdrop visits....
http://www.welfordpark.co.uk/More%20Info.pdf
I see that Welford Park is near Newbury in Berkshire. Was that film of the snowdrops made "live",so to speak.... I mean this year? It seemed extraordinary that with the way the weather has been, in so many parts of the country, that the flowers could be so advanced already ? Is it true that the drops are in full flower in Berkshire right now? Surely not.... :-\ If they are, is it not asking a lot that they will be in decent conditon from the 28th January through to the end of February? :-X
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Hi John
Yes.. I live on the Wirral... sort of half way between Liverpool & Chester
Those pond baskets sound an excellent idea... I have a couple of ponds in my garden where I keep newts...so have baskets for those,,,icristie mentioned those before !!
Cheers
Warren
You keep newts Warren? I used to have a pet newt. I called him tiny because he was minute.
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...Good publicity for the snowdrop visits....
http://www.welfordpark.co.uk/More%20Info.pdf
I see that Welford Park is near Newbury in Berkshire. Was that film of the snowdrops made "live",so to speak.... I mean this year?
Although the film said nothing to indicate that it was not made live, it must have been filmed last year. There was no sign of snow and the snowdrops were too advanced.
{Heard it before, Anthony}
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Hi John
Yes.. I live on the Wirral... sort of half way between Liverpool & Chester
Those pond baskets sound an excellent idea... I have a couple of ponds in my garden where I keep newts...so have baskets for those,,,icristie mentioned those before !!
Cheers
Warren
You keep newts Warren? I used to have a pet newt. I called him tiny because he was minute.
Yeah Anthony got ten's of them in summer time,,great for keeping slugs down.. tend to see them at night in the grass when I let the dog out last thing. --not bad-- :)
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Although the film said nothing to indicate that it was not made live, it must have been filmed last year. There was no sign of snow and the snowdrops were too advanced.
That was what I thought, Alan.... while in that case the owner may have been frustrated that her "new" 'drop did not get the publicity last year, at least she's got a head start this year. Surprised the BBC manged to join up the dots on that one!! ;)
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It's available on BBC iplayer. Search for The One Show from last night and go in 30 minutes. I have never seen to many nivalis in one place. It beats June Dougherty's garden over here.
The snowdrop looked just like a four petalled nivalis. They did mention a species woronii that I must look for at the Gala.
Very interesting to hear winter flowering snowdrops need 6oC to begin growth
And what about the Galanthophile breeding snowdrops so he can retire on their sales. Martin it's time to own up and show us what you have.
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The iplayer link http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00pymhz/The_One_Show_13_01_2010/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00pymhz/The_One_Show_13_01_2010/)
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Mark,
If there were more G. nivalis than in June Docherty's garden it must have been an amazing sight.
Unfortunately, i-player is unavailable here in the south. Pity!
Paddy
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They did mention a species woronii that I must look for at the Gala.
I think they meant "woronowii"
Paddy, I'll try to get a screen grab from the i-player to show the woods....though I'm not sure that is possible. :-\
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Very kind of you, Maggi. Don't go to bother.
Paddy
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And what about the Galanthophile breeding snowdrops so he can retire on their sales. Martin it's time to own up and show us what you have.
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Wishbone v Galadriel - panic over. Galadriel is elwesii monostictus. Wishbone is a hybrid possibly with reginae-olgae vernalis
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No bother,Paddy, was interested to see if it could be done!
Here are ten screengrabs from the i-player.... first ones showing the woods..... there were extensive areas of 'drops .... wide panorama shots in the film.... which I couldn't replicate.... but there you get the "drift" !!! ;D The bulk of the plants are G. nicalis, though there are areas of G. plicatus.
The last three are of the four-petalled flower that was mentioned as being the discovery.
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I have to say that if you ignored the commentary and concentrated on the pictures they looked stunning
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You did well there Maggi didn't know you could grab from i player...very clear for a grab as well
Warren
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Thanks, Maggi. The BBC won't allow North American computers
to log on to their shows.
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Likewise, there is a CBC show I like that cannot be viewed here in the UK.
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Wishbone v Galadriel - panic over. Galadriel is elwesii monostictus. Wishbone is a hybrid possibly with reginae-olgae vernalis
I don't think I can spare the energy to panic Mark.
For some reason this reminds me of a conversation I overhead at work once.
A manager said to a rather inadequate, essex accented, temp we had working with us
"fret not, I shall sort out your mistake"
to which the temp replied
"I ain't threatening" ::)
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well it is good to know they are different enough for a grower of both to see one is elwesii
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And what about the Galanthophile breeding snowdrops so he can retire on their sales. Martin it's time to own up and show us what you have.
Not sure what you mean, Mark.
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Martin, in the BBC clip which is mentioned above, the reporter says (paraphrasing) "there are rumours of someone who is developing a new variety which will be his retirement fund" ..... Mark is kidding you ::) ;)
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Martin, in the BBC clip which is mentioned above, the reporter says (paraphrasing) "there are rumours of someone who is developing a new variety which will be his retirement fund" ..... Mark is kidding you ::) ;)
Ah, I see. I haven't viewed the clip. Sorry, Mark, that explains it then. Wondered what you were on about.
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Maggi,
Many thanks for the pictures. The second one shows an impressive spread of snowdrops, wonderful under the trees. Obviously, they have have been there for years and years. A lovely place to visit, I imagine.
The snowdrop with the four petals is attractive and would be interesting in the garden. However, I don't think it would provide retirement funds for anyone.
Paddy
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We all live in hope so here is my G. nivalis find with 5 petals, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Is it stable, Ian?
Maggi how did you get the photos?
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those photos are stunning and that amount of snowdrops clearly show they have the only proper name
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Maggi how did you get the photos?
When viewing the clip, I hit the pause button when the pic was good and then took a screengrab by hitting the "PrintScreen/SysRq button.... on my keyboard it is on the top row of keys, third from the right (of the three keys to the right of the Num Lock; Caps Lock and Scroll Lock lights) .... then, with ACDSee open, and a blank new page in editor, I paste the image from the clip board, which shows the whole of my pc screen at the time of the grab... then I crop the pic as required. ::)
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Just how I would have done it ;D
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Me too, .........now.....thanks Maggi. ;D
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I had never realised that snowdrops continue to grow while under a load of freezing cold snow. Today has really warmed up here and most of the snow has melted this morning - I can see a lot more inches of snowdrop above ground than 2 weeks ago - so they must have been growing while hidden from view. 8)
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John,
Keep an eye out for Botrytis. Last year I experienced the same snowdrop growth under the snow but shortly after the snow melt I found a number displayed the telltale signs of Botrytis. Grey mould could be seen around the leaves and scape at soil level. I did manage to rescue the infected bulbs and after a fungicide treatment. A year on the plants look good but I removed the soil and replaced it with new stuff and the bulbs will be grown on in pots this year until I am happy that all's well.
Hopefully this will be redundant information for you but just be aware.
David
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Mark, these are pics of the Galanthus with the yellowish flush on the inner petals. The yellow has faded to the point where it is not being picked up by the camera anymore. It is also clearly 'abnormal' the other flowers in this clump, which have yet to open properly have 'normal' petals. For those who enlarged to check out the nail varnish- sorry to disappoint- it is black spray paint!
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Simon (Simon in the Stara Planina Mts altitude 482m.)
Are you related to Creator of the Starry Heights?
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I took this last year and was going to post it but never had time. I wonder if it will do it again this year. Galanthus Blonde Inge.
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How funny. :D I imagine it is a one off. Makes me smile.
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I know, it did me John! They had only been in for one season last year, so may be they will of settled in this year?
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Certainly an odd one, Jane.
Now, if it remained stable...LOL
Paddy
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Simon (Simon in the Stara Planina Mts altitude 482m.)
Are you related to Creator of the Starry Heights?
No idea what you are talking about ???
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Hello Jane,
here is my BLONDE INGE with the same defect of apical color. Only one flower in a stock. I also wait to see the new flower this year. :)
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Does anyone else have pictures of snowdrop flowers doing unexpected things?
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Hello Jane,
here is my BLONDE INGE with the same defect of apical color....
Unless I am mistaken, it is actually a mirror image of the same defect. Does anyone else remember that classic Star Trek episode ("Let that be your last battlefield") that sought to pour scorn on colour prejudice by having to combatants who were mirror images of each other? The picture here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield will show you what I mean.
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John, here is another flower defect, I found last year. It`s not FEDERKLEID ;).
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I am interested in the odd ones. This is one I found in 2008 - it didn't flower last year so I waiting to see what it does this season.
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Something nice about your plant Hagen and similar to Puck.
John did you find yours in the wild?
Comparing my snowdrops that are out now to this time last year I had 33 out in January 2009
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John did you find yours in the wild?
It was in the grounds of a monastory in Hampshire Mark. I was given permission to dig it up for a small donation to the Monks. 8)
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Hello Hagen,
interesting to see that one of yours has done the same thing. The snow has finally gone so I shall nip out later and see what's going on out there!
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Does anyone else have pictures of snowdrop flowers doing unexpected things?
I have a £20-er that turned into a 20p-er when it flowered. It's okay now. Alas no picture.
johnw
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Does anyone else have pictures of snowdrop flowers doing unexpected things?
I have a £20-er that turned into a 20p-er when it flowered. It's okay now. Alas no picture.
johnw
Looking at my Vera Trum today it looks like it's worth nothing. Time will tell if/when the leaves expand
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Hagen I have a nivalis that has done the same thing for the last 3 years,if I ever find the picture I will post it have been looking for the last hour or two with no success
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For those interested I only have 11 open today
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For those interested I only have 11 open today
Me too Mark, Orion, John Gray, Collosus, 3 Ships, Atkinsii, G71, The Pearl, Mrs McNamara, plicatus, Wind Turbine, and gracilis 'Highdown' all in the ground and a green tipped elwesii in a pot.
And I'm amazed how well the cyclamen have survived, lots in flower.
Not bad considering the snow only went last night when it rained like mad. Maybe the season will catch up with itself :)
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Me too Mark, Orion, John Gray, Collosus, 3 Ships, Atkinsii, G71, The Pearl, Mrs McNamara, plicatus, Wind Turbine, and gracilis 'Highdown' all in the ground and a green tipped elwesii in a pot.
Hi Jo - 'Wind Turbine' is a new one on me, can you tell me anything about it please?
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Twenty-five are out today after yesterday's mild weather.
As you can see Grumpy must be very grumpy standing on his head.
johnw
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And elwesii Rosemary Burnham.
johnw
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Galanthus elwesii Alanja is giving a good show and towers above all the others at nearly one foot tall, taller than the Lachenalias in the rear..
johnw
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I first noticed this 'yellow' Galanthus elwesii among my collection last year and was pleased to see that it has remained stable for this year.
In the second photo I have placed it against a 'normal' Galanthus elwesii for comparison.
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I first noticed this 'yellow' Galanthus elwesii among my collection last year and was pleased to see that it has remained stable for this year.
In the second photo I have placed it against a 'normal' Galanthus elwesii for comparison.
That's an interesting find, Melvyn, but I cannot help but feel we need a better terminology to describe this type of snowdrop. If it was a paint it would be described as "white with a hint of ..." - buttermilk, for example.
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It's probably G. elwesii 'Jonathan'
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It looks like elwesii Jonathan
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It looks like elwesii Jonathan
Apical marking different?
johnw
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It looks like elwesii Jonathan
Perhaps I should explain that whatever comparisons are made its not a plant with a lost label. In 2008 I bought 200 Galanthus elwesii from a well known bulb/plant trader and then grew them all on in individual pots to see if there was anything interesting. The plant shown was one of two or three that I picked out in 2009 and which I thought were worth taking care of. They remain in pots in a cold frame and have started to produce offsets.
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Last year , late January or early February I bought two pots of Galanthus elwesii at the local garden centre. The pots were quite small and the compost peaty so I was quite surprised that all 6 bulbs are going to flower this year. The one pictured was showing white before the snow so could have flowered earlier if it had not been frozen then buried under the snow. The others have still to flower.
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Back to the wholesale greenhouse and all the grocery stores
to scrutinize snowdrops. I've only bought 9. Is it a boring
lot this year, or am I getting jaded?
Here is one - pale leaves, pale stem. pale mark, but green
ovary. I didn't notice the bright blue and red stripes until I
photographed it, though. I wonder how stable they are going
to be?
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Time will tell. It looks like it was heavily shaded but then the ovary would be pale also. Let us know if it darkens
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... I didn't notice the bright blue and red stripes until I
photographed it, though. I wonder how stable they are going
to be?
What stripes? :) Blue and Red? Either you are pulling my leg or I have developed colour blindness. ;D
I thought the same as Mark - but that dark green ovary does imply it isn't from lack of light.
Did you get as cold this year in the wholesale warehouse? I seem to remember you needing lots of hot drinks after last years outing.
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You both missed it? The left petal is rimmed in electric blue and less-bright red.
It couldn't be pale from lack of light as the other plants in the pot are dark
green.
It was reasonably warm, with the sun out, which is unusual here - it's usually
warmer when we have a fluffy blanket of clouds over us, and colder when
the sky is clear. It makes snow a rarity.
Nevertheless, we went for tea and chocolate eclairs after. You don't need to
be cold for that.
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Well, NOW I see those electric edges, Diane! I really didn't spot them before.
It is all to easy to look at an image or an object and just see what we "expect" to see, isn't it? What a good reminder this is that we should make a habit of "really" looking, of studying our plants and photos.... to see minute details or quirky effects... who knows what we might discover..... :D
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I really didn't spot them before.
What a good reminder this is that we should make a habit of "really" looking, of studying our plants and photos.... to see minute details or quirky effects... who knows what we might discover..... :D
My Maggi, sounds like you're gearing up for a bout of Galanthophilia. Can this be?
johnw
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Well, NOW I see those electric edges, Diane! I really didn't spot them before.
It is all to easy to look at an image or an object and just see what we "expect" to see, isn't it? What a good reminder this is that we should make a habit of "really" looking, of studying our plants and photos.... to see minute details or quirky effects... who knows what we might discover..... :D
You're seeing photographic lighting "artifacts". You don't think that blue line actually exists in real life do you? I need a pair of those Galathospectacles!
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I need a pair of those Galathospectacles!
Will these help Richard?
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I need a pair of those Galathospectacles!
Will these help Richard?
(Attachment Link)
By golly, those might just do the job! But who is Richard? Richard might need those Galanthospecs.
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::) Ah, you mean I can't breed that into more snowdrops???
I took half a dozen pictures and the electric blue only appeared
in two. I found it very interesting that it should appear exactly
along the rim of the petal. I shot from more or less the same spot
each time. Perhaps the sun reflected off something, or the camera's
flash went off.
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By golly, those might just do the job! But who is Richard? Richard might need those Galanthospecs.
Oops. Looks like it may be me that needs them! ;)
Sorry about that Mark.
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Diane all it needs are some stars!
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I really didn't spot them before.
What a good reminder this is that we should make a habit of "really" looking, of studying our plants and photos.... to see minute details or quirky effects... who knows what we might discover..... :D
My Maggi, sounds like you're gearing up for a bout of Galanthophilia. Can this be?
johnw
Be calm, John.... if you re-read what I said you will see that my comment is a general one about the benefits of close observation of plants.... any plants ...(this might be extended to everything around us, but who has that much spare time?) and the delight to be found in so doing and also the delights to be found in really studyng objects and images (Diane's photo) to discover unexpected treats like these light effects..... at no time do I actually mention snowdrops!! ;D ;D
Oh, dear, now you're going to quip that "she doth protest too much" :'( :P
PS: I have contacted McMark to reassure him about the Galanthospecs.
Those wacky spectacle frames are fun : they didn't have any like that last week when I got new glasses :'(
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The sun shone today and a few snowdrops opened.
Apologies that photographs are not good, harsh sunlight and taken in a hurry - there was gardening to be done.
Paddy
Anglesey Abbey
Benhall Beauty
Dionysius
Florence Baker
"Ex Longraigue" - Alan B's foundling from Co. Wexford, Ireland. It looks very promising, interesting markings.
Richard Ayres
Winnifrede Matthias
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Paddy Benhall Beauty should look like this http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20benhall%20beauty.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20benhall%20beauty.html)
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My Richard Ayres is tight in bud and maybe a week behing yours
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Paddy Benhall Beauty should look like this http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20benhall%20beauty.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20benhall%20beauty.html)
I have a mix up in this bed = a small group of snowdrops with no label. I'll have to wait until this unlabelled clump flowers and see what I have. This is the first year I have had 'Benhall Beauty', received from Bob last spring. Hopefully, I will sort out names in the coming weeks.
Re your photograph of 'Benhall Beauty': I didn't realise the basal marks were so strong. I thought it had two separate, though sometimes merging, oval marks.
Paddy
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I found it a bit variable. All mine are non flowerers this year :(
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Benhall Beauty also tends to flop over, so a sheltered site out of strong winds, and preferably one in full sun (to help stop the scapes getting too drawn up), is advisable.
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Benhall Beauty also tends to flop over, so a sheltered site out of strong winds, and preferably one in full sun (to help stop the scapes getting too drawn up), is advisable.
Ah, Martin, you sound like an encyclopaedia of gardening with the advice to choose a well-draining and moisture-retaining soil. You advise a sheltered spot in the sun which is another difficult one to find.
I will do my best.
Paddy
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Sorry, Paddy. I wrote freelance articles for gardening magazines like Amateur Gardening and Practical Gardening for a few years back in the 1980s, and the glib advice still comes like second nature to me. Here's another good one - base of a sunny wall would be ideal (how I wish I had such a thing in my garden!) :)
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Galanthus Lord Lieutenant in flower here a few days ago. It's a perky fellow from Colesbourne. I must say their bulbs are clean as a whistle and always shipped dormant, the way to go it would seem for Canada.
The SRGC seeds arrived today. Many thanks to the packing crew.
johnw
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PS: I have contacted McMark to reassure him about the Galanthospecs.
Those wacky spectacle frames are fun: they didn't have any like that last week when I got new glasses :'(
Ok, I'm ready, got my new starry-eyed galanthospecs on! Hope they're the right perscription ;) :D ;D
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Thanks for posting the pictures Paddy - I guess it is my turn to post a few snaps I took here yesterday.
plicatus Bill Clarke
elwesii Maidwell L
plicatus Yaffle
John Gray (just waiting for a warm day top burst open).
And a little green tipped drop that I spotted in the Greatorex woods and was given as a gift to remember my visit there. 8)
John - my Lord Lieutenant seems to get smaller each year - I don't think it likes my garden. :-\
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All looking well, John.
The green-tipped one from the Greatorex woods is a nice addition.
Paddy
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Why is Maidwell L not Maidwell X ??? ::)
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Why is Maidwell L not Maidwell X ??? ::)
and why were there 2 Maidwell L's - one plicatus and one elwesii! Fortunately the plicatus is now Maidwell C (and can also have a vague X mark ;))
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Here is an old picture of Maidwell C Anne
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One from today
'Hans Guck In Die Luft' (Hans looks into the air)
I only got this last March as a birthday present from Hans himself - and it already looks to be a very good "do'er" 8)
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It doesn't look a bit like Hans!
Paddy
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Galanthus 'Cicely Hall', one - ;D- of my favourites in flower today.
johnw
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The two flowers show great variation of the inner markings. Is this usual?
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Anne,
From previous photographs I have seen that John is growing lots of his snowdrops in pots and the snowdrops in the background of this photograph are probably simply snowdrops in another pot.
Paddy
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Anne,
From previous photographs I have seen that John is growing lots of his snowdrops in pots and the snowdrops in the background of this photograph are probably simply snowdrops in another pot.
Paddy
Right you are Paddy. Anne I should have mentioned it was the one to the fore. It really is one worth searching for. Trusting you miss the snow storm.
johnw
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John,
Aside from that, it certainly is an outstanding snowdrop and it is no wonder Robin Hall is so proud of it and regards it as the best Irish snowdrop.
Paddy
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The inners look very elegant from that angle.
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In the garden today. Paddy
G. 'Atkinsii' - a group photographed against the sun.
G. 'Colossus'
G. 'David Baker'
G. 'Ding Dong' - so cold there's a drop on its nose.
G. 'Florence Baker'
G. "Ex Longraigue" - Alan B's foundling from Co. Wexford' - showed this the other day but liked the sun through the flower so posted again.
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Looking back at John's photographs above, G. 'Cicely Hall' and others previously it has struck me that there is a great advantage in growing snowdrops under cover and that is that the flowers remain clean while mine, grown outdoors, are so often spotted with soil splashed up by the rain.
Paddy
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Paddy I'd like to see a close shot of Longraigue fully open. Is it an Irish name? If I knew more I could include it in my Gala lecture
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"G. "Longraigue" - Alan B's foundling from Co. Wexford "
Mark, this is as far open as it is to date. You will have to ask Alan about the name as he hasn't named it officially to date.
Paddy
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OK
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showed this the other day but liked the sun through the flower so posted again.
Glad you did Paddy it's an evocative photo.
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showed this the other day but liked the sun through the flower so posted again.
Glad you did Paddy it's an evocative photo.
Many thanks, Brian.
I am especially interested in this snowdrop as it is an Irish foundling (by Alan B) and this is its first time flowering here in the garden. Alan showed several photographs of it last season and I visited the garden where Alan had found it - as it turned out I knew the family through gardening activities.
This is a plicatus hybrid, I am almost sure, and would appreciate fellow forum members commenting on it as I, or Alan, post further photographs. It would be good of forum members to compare it with other plicatus type snowdrops in their own gardens or with which they are familiar. If anybody spots that it particularly resembles an already named snowdrop it would be great if you alerted Alan or I to this fact. As Alan has pointed out to me, it is early flowering for a plicate hybrid and this leaves few presently in flower plicatus hybrids with which to presently compare it.
Paddy
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Paddy, I searched for the name on the forum and the only reference is yours,
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Paddy, I searched for the name on the forum and the only reference is yours,
Mark,
It's not the name that is of concern - very easy to put a new name on a snowdrop, as we all know - it was the snowdrop itself. I wondered if any forum member recognised it as an already named snowdrop. Is this snowdrop already a named variety/cultivar? I wished to eliminate the danger of adding another name but not a new snowdrop to the already long lists.
Of course, I will need to post further photographs showing the inner markings, for example, to help forum members with this.
I should add that the name I have used, "Longraigue" is simply the townland and name of the garden in which it was found. Alan B. usually refers to it as "ex Longraigue" which is better really as nobody would imagine that to be a properly applied name to a snowdrop, simply a temporary one until investigations and proper naming takes place.
Paddy
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OK. I search the word and found nothing. You mentioned it was shown last year but I dont remember it.
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Many thanks, Brian.
I am especially interested in this snowdrop as it is an Irish foundling (by Alan B) and this is its first time flowering here in the garden. Alan showed several photographs of it last season .............
Paddy
I'm sure I have shown photographs of this snowdrop in the past but I cannot remember exactly when, or find an example. Sorry. I have only adopted the name 'ex Longraigue' recently as an identifier, so a search on the name will yield no results.
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Is this the one?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2931.msg71548#msg71548
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That's it, John.
It's a good-looking flower.
Paddy
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well done John.
It's also the same or similar to Ian Christie's Galanthus Yvonne. I havent seen it and just going by his description comparing it to the one that grows in a friends garden
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here they are together for this discussion. Sorry Ian I took your photo of Yvonne from your web site
Alan's find
The snowdrop photographed in N Ireland
Yvonne
Rita Rutherfoord
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Looking back at John's photographs above, G. 'Cicely Hall' and others previously it has struck me that there is a great advantage in growing snowdrops under cover and that is that the flowers remain clean while mine, grown outdoors, are so often spotted with soil splashed up by the rain.
Paddy
Paddy
Ah yes but they can't match the excitement of snowdrops emerging from beautiful soil, top-dressed with the best, as in your photo.
johnw
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here they are together for this discussion. Sorry Ian I took your photo of Yvonne from your web site
All three look quite different to me.
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But are they different enough? Could they lead to confusion once people have all three and start passing them around?
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Some Galanthus species in flower today.
Galanthus transcaucasicus, from Olang Pass Iran, a gift from a member.
Galanthus gracilis, a selection from Mt Vermion, plants from this location are usually described as G. elwesii, I think that there is probably a mix of the two species at this location.
Galanthus ikariae from Christos Raches Ikaria Greece
Galanthus Katsoris, I have named this selection of Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp vernalis as it is very robust, increases well and is very fragrant.
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But are they different enough? Could they lead to confusion once people have all three and start passing them around?
I just meant they don't look similar enough to be the same clone. I wasn't commenting on whether they deserved to be named or not. I'm staying out of that minefield.
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I think they are very similar
I have gracilis that look more like elwesii with wide grey leaves with little or no twist
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I've added another photo above to show how similar 4 snowdrops are
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This my gracilis obtained as "good Form"
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That's a very nicely marked gracilis, Mark. I agree those four snowdrops are similar enough to be easily confused if all were named. I just meant that they're not the same clone, because I can see various small differences between them. That type of marking is indeed very common amongst both pure plicatus byzantinus and hybrids between plicatus and elwesii.
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Not a good day for photographing, the camera is steaming up in the cold. In flower on this frigid day;
Galanthus Atkinsii ex Foxgrove
Galanthus Magnet Type #6384
Galanthus ikariae ex DA - could it be?
Galanthus Mill House - this one has a double spathe - is this typical?
Galanthus elwesii Sickle - a big one
Galanthus Hans Guck in die Luft - peeping
johnw - PS Hans ist gefunden!
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John, the ikariae looks like woronowii.
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John do you mean Millhouse has a split spathe? It looks very similar to Scharlockii
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20nivalis%20scharlockii.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20nivalis%20scharlockii.html)
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My EA Bowles has a daughter bulb and between the two there will be at least 3 flowers
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John this is typical ikariae
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=160397844294 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=160397844294)
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John do you mean Millhouse has a split spathe? It looks very similar to Scharlockii
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20nivalis%20scharlockii.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/galanthus%20nivalis%20scharlockii.html)
Mark - Late this afternoon the "spathes" parted and indeed it is split.
johnw
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Martin - I just compared the leaves of the woronowii (Latifolius {ikariae ex DA}) with the commercial woronowii (sold by the bag of 100 for circa £5). The former matches the description in the Book "wider to the last third" so you appear to be correct.and I never got round to checking out post Book. My concern was also that the leaves were so shiny and dark - differing from the book - but in The Genus Galanthus Davis says "bright green & glossy", so I rest at ease My guess is the name I received was an id based on Stern 1956.
Now I wonder about the latter commercial, some leaves match the description but others are straight sided (lorate?) with no widening or at least very little, the leaves are shiny medium to dark green. If I can reach far enough I might grab the pot & get a shot of it.
johnw
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here they are together for this discussion. Sorry Ian I took your photo of Yvonne from your web site
Alan's find
The snowdrop photographed in N Ireland
Yvonne
Rita Rutherfoord
I'm very impressed by your ability to do this, Mark; identify similar snowdrops based on the marks on their inner petals. Do you have a photographic memory or some other form of sophisticated database?
However, the marks on the inners are only one of several distinguishing features of a snowdrop and, to me, often not the most interesting. One only has to think of the classic snowdrop "Magnet" for an example of a snowdrop where the marks on the inners aren't the distinguishing feature and point of interest.
Personally, I am interested in any snowdrop that flowers outside the normal season and/or can grow in some of the less hospitable parts of my garden. My "ex Longraigue" find fits the bill on both counts. Nevertheless, I'm not rushing to give it a name - we'll see how it does with Paddy for starters.
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John do you mean Millhouse has a split spathe? It looks very similar to Scharlockii
Yes it is similar to scharlockii - on steroids once it has settled in. You have to see it in the flesh and you would then know that it is quite different. Like some of the others discussed above no doubt.
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Hi Mark all, I have no problems for the G. plicatus Yvonne being used on this forum and please when you look at the pictures Mark has posted the shape of the flowers are very different 'Yvonne' has balloon shaped flowers and the other has longer slim petals also as I have said to Mark it is very important to see leaves with the flowers some leaves are short and broad often with a blue or very dark green sheen while othere are long and pale green, this sets some bulbs away above others as the combined short blue green leaf with a good chunky flower is the best. cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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I'm sorry that my comments about the flower comparisons were a bit on the lazy side (at the end of a very busy, tiring week). I should have been more explicit.
What I was trying to say is that the four pictured flowers looked different enough to me to be quite easily distinguishable from one another, although the markings were probably superficially similar enough for them to be confused by inexperienced growers. And I should have gone on (if I hadn't been so tired) to say pretty much what Ian has since said; that of course you can't judge if a snowdrop is distinct and worth naming from a close-up of the flower alone - the look of the clump, the leaves, the strength of the scape, height, single or twin scapes, the stance of the scape and flower, the vigour and disease resistance (i.e. is it a really good do-er) and so on, all need to be taken into account. So I don't personally think there's a problem with naming snowdrops with similar marks if there are other distinguishing features and characteristics (especially vigour and disease resistance).
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Re Alan's G. ex Longraigue: it is flowering well ahead of G. 'Yvonne' and Rita Rutherfoord's snowdrop here in my garden. I don't know Mark's plicatus photographed in Northern Ireland and so cannot comment on that one.
From Alan's comments it seems to be a good healthy and strong-growing snowdrop, clumping up well in the open garden. Here, it is in its first year flowering, bulbs planted at the end of last season, and it has settled in perfectly, no losses, and is growing very strongly.
It certainly has the signs of being a good garden plant.
Comments from anybody who can observe plicatus hybrids in their garden at this time will add to our information and will be gratefully received. I don't think it will be a snowdrop to set the adrenalin flowing on e-bay auctions but it is, nonetheless, a good snowdrop for the garden.
Paddy
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I also agree with Alan that flowering period can be another important distinguishing feature - provided it's consistent.
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I am not so specialised as many others on this forum but have of course some Galanthus in the garden.
They are a bit late due the weather conditions.
Before the snow and frost began already G.olgae reginae subsp.vernalis Amigo was flowering.
I don't know of the name is correct ?
Now some other species as G. " Kite" are close to flowering.
Also elwesii "Daphne's Scissors" and from that one I have still a picture from last year.
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2005 was the last time my Kite had twin flowers. Does anyone have a relibale form?
sorry for the rubbish photo
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John, the woronowii/ikariae/latifolius literature can seem very confusing. Your old 'latifolius' clone was, as you say, obviously named based on Stern. If you see enough different clones of true ikariae, however, ikariae always has a distinctive look about it and you eventually know it when you see it - generally fairly matt leaves, usually quite dark, usually with some puckering, and a flower with distinctly long, pointed outer segments and a large mark, covering at least a third to half of the inner segment.
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I'm obviously still tired! Had to go back and edit recent posts again and again. Saying spathe when I mean scape, etc, etc. Think I'll have a lie down!
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On a lighter note, Benton Magnet duo and Diggory today.
johnw
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The tiny G. nivalis Appleby from P&M; the jury is still out on the name. If anyone can shed light on Appleby please step up to the plate. There may be more than one form. Photos 1 & 2.
Lord Lieutenant opened in the sun today. Photo 3
Gill Gregory Photo 4.
johnw
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Nice petal shape and markings on G. 'Gill Gregory'
Paddy
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Not a good photo :-[ of Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp vernalis Miss Adventure. It's not a sgood doer for me flowering one year and missing the next. Does anyone think I should remove the flowers to try and build the bulb?
Anyone want to see photos of Castlegar or Wasp?
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Mark,
I think you should put 'Miss Adventure' on the compost bin. It is a horrible snowdrop.
Paddy
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Noooo. It's not open yet. :o
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Noooo. It's not open yet. :o
I thought the whole point of 'Miss Adventure' is that it spends an unusually long time being not open, or slightly open. When it finally does open it loses its USP. Anyway, I quite like it so don't compost it. You could always sell it on Ebay!
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USP? Gunter's web site has a good photo
http://galanthus-online.de/kultivare-i-o/miss-adventure.html (http://galanthus-online.de/kultivare-i-o/miss-adventure.html)
Or is mine Miss Behaving ???
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Why is Castlegar regarded as an excellent snowdrop? Looking at Mark's photograph it is nice, but special...
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Arthur it flowers in late November - usually
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USP = Unique Selling Point
Re link:
Gunther's page for that is missing.... :-\ When I looked at the index it only lists Mis Behaving, no photo.
Yes, well, my mistake..... no phot for that one but Miss Adventure is there!
http://galanthus-online.de/kultivare-i-o/miss-adventure.html 8)
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Arthur it flowers in late November - usually
Thats a good thing - I am trying to find some more snowdrops for Nov/Dec.
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Thats a good thing - I am trying to find some more snowdrops for Nov/Dec.
The one I most covet is an elwesii called 'Remember Remember'. It is generally in flower by 5th November and is a big, tall-growing snowdrop - or at least it is in the collection of Anglesey Abbey which is the only place I have ever seen it. Flowering a bit later, Peter Gatehouse is another excellent elwesii, but easy to find so I presume you already own him.
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Hi Alan
I have been put off 'Remember remember' as I have been told by two different people that it is one that fails to stand up straight again if it gets frosted. To me that would be really annoying to have them laying on the soil - and so will not a place in my garden.
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Well, John, I have never noticed this problem on the 'Remember Remember' at Anglesey Abbey and I cannot believe that a snowdrop that cannot pick itself up after a frost would survive for many years and remain in cultivation. If you ever have the chance to get one, I would be happy to take it off your hands if it doesn't do well for you!
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John smile nice and remind me in late May.
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Matt Bishop gave a talk on snowdrops at Rosemoor the other day. It was great to get the season of desire off to a good start.
His list of slides reads like a galanthophile Father Christmas list :) I can't remember what half the snowdrops looked like, I just fancied most of them :D
I particularly fancied one called 'Corrin', and one called 'Moya's Green' , mind you 'Southhayes' still has to be the one I most want next.
I will have to be eagle eyed and fast at the gala, oh, and have a photographic memory of this list, hehe :-\
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I particularly fancied one called 'Corrin', and one called 'Moya's Green'
Hi Jo - Both are on my wish list. Corrin is from the same stable as Megan. Moya's Green I posted photos of on one of my previous 'roving reporter' posts ( http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1260.msg31848;topicseen#msg31848 ).
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I dont remember that thread. Thanks for the link.
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Some shots of a nice clump in my front garden. I feel they should have a name, and would be pleased if anyone could identify them.
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A elwesii form with good leaves or a gracilis hybrid?
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Two snowdrops from today. Not the best because of another dull day
elwesii Majorie Brown - an ordinary monstictus but with good leaves
rizehensis
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A elwesii form with good leaves or a gracilis hybrid?
Mark
If a gracilis hybrid, what would be the most likely other half?
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Mark you are way ahead of us here, Marjorie Brown has only just broken the surface
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Mark, that is twice today you have written that an elwesii has
"good leaves".
I've tried to see what is special about those leaves. They're
gray and wide. Is that what you mean?
How about pictures of poor-leaved, typical-leaved, and good-leaved
elwesii to compare?
Of course, it may just be that there are so many similar-looking
flowers that there is nothing more to say about them, so you've
started looking at the leaves. Bulbs next? ;)
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elwesii x gracilis? On page 142 0f Aaron's book he talks about the close relationship between elwesii and garcilis. Martin might know more
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Diane, I like Arthurs because they are different by having a twist. Majorie Brown possibly has the largest leaves of the elwesii in my collection. I keep hearing at snowdrop time that Marjorie has a good and not so good form depending on how silver the leaves are. On page 176 Matt et al mention the "a distinctively blue cast to the wide glaucous leaves"
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Here is Marjorie Brown at her best in a large group
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Very grey. Is it really that colour?
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yes
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Chas maybe your snow lay for longer
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From my friend:
Remember one of my twinheaded snowies that I call Diangle?
It had stocky scapes that sometimes produced a second flower
on a short stem sticking out from the main one at a rigid angle. This second
flower's stem is variable, from barely any up to 2 or 3 inches.
Well, this year, a few of the twinheaded scapes have gone nuts and put out
3 flowers! The main one is normal, and the secondary ones are fused. Weirder
and weirder. I'll have to call it Tri-Angle.
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What a find! I hope you will be twin scaling some? ::)
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Arthur! It's a pure elwesii on your pic, not hybrid.
Mark! Your Marjorie Brown in a large group at least is more likely G. alpinus. Elwesii hasn't so glaucous leaves and the ovary is for typical alpinus. And your rizehensis is more likely G. lagodechianus by ovary form too - but it would be better to see the leaves more closely - I'm not sure with no leaves.
edit by maggi: see new topic G. rizehensis or lagodechianus for more on this matter.. ......
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4893.0
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Well, this year, a few of the twinheaded scapes have gone nuts and put out
3 flowers! The main one is normal, and the secondary ones are fused. Weirder
and weirder. I'll have to call it Tri-Angle.
Lovely Diane, it's as crazy as us galanthophiles ;D
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Arthur! It's a pure elwesii on your pic, not hybrid.
Dimitri
Is it quite unusual for elwesii to have twisted leaves?
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Tri-Angle - good name. ;D
It is certainly different.
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Are you ready for more snowdrops?
First a confusion two labels almost side by side in a trough. One says Fieldgare Prelude and the other Fieldgate Forte. The leaves have are long, narrow, glaucous and have a twist. I'll get a photo of those tomorrow.
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Sally's Double
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On a down side I spotted this today. Tomorrow the whole pot will be submerged in Carbendazim for a couple of hours
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Are you ready for more snowdrops?
First a confusion two labels almost side by side in a trough. One says Fieldgare Prelude and the other Fieldgate Forte. The leaves have are long, narrow, glaucous and have a twist. I'll get a photo of those tomorrow.
Looks like Fieldgate Prelude. Doesn't Fieldgate Forte have a solid green inner and green-tipped outers? I've only seen it once at Colin Mason years ago so my memory may not be 100% accurate.
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Hi Mark
I believe that Fieldgate Forte is often green tipped - mines not in flower yet to get a pic.
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Thanks. I must have Fieldgate Forte in the same hole or near by ::)
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I agree with Martin & John that it looks like 'Fieldgate Prelude' - here is what you posted as 'Fieldgate Prelude' last February
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3035.0;attach=103764;image
re 'Sally's Double' - can you tell me something about the origins of this snowdrop?
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the whole pot will be submerged in Carbendazim for a couple of hours
Mark - What is the trade name of carbendazim in the UK?
I think we have to rely on some others in Canada as I see no registration for it here.
I qwould have thought the big Dutch Hippeastrum growers would have published alot on the control of stag and preferred treatments. I however find virtually nothing on the internet.
johnw
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John I'll look for the label in a while
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John I'll look for the label in a while
Mark - The only one I've heard of in the UK is Bavistin (carbendazim) but that is for commercial use I assume. I was asking about a home version, past or present.
I did a little internet research on the subject and an interesting article popped up saying "benomyl degrades as cabendazim". Now I cannot find that specific article. Benomyl was available here in Canada to homeowners for many years. I was banned several years ago but some may have a bit about. If there is a chemist in the house who could tell us if the degraded benomyl might have the same efficacy as carbendazim (considered the best stag treatment) I would be very interested.
I can make little sense of the few papers I found.
http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collection_2007/pmra-arla/H113-5-2007-12E.pdf (http://dsp-psd.pwgsc.gc.ca/collection_2007/pmra-arla/H113-5-2007-12E.pdf)
http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc148.htm (http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc148.htm)
Perhaps this should be moved to a Stag thread.
johnw
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the whole pot will be submerged in Carbendazim for a couple of hours
Mark - What is the trade name of carbendazim in the UK?
John,
Try Delsene. It is available in 5 Litre containers here but I believe that you have to have a licence to obtain it or a friendly farmer!
Cheers,
David
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On a related topic, I went to a recording of the radio show "Gardeners' Question Time" on Monday. There are few fungicides available to the amateur gardener in the UK and in their absence panellist Bob Flowerdew advocated the use of urine to treat botrytis. Has anyone tried that remedy on their snowdrops?
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Delsene is what I have.
Peeing on snowdrop? I assume first thing in the morning? Or last thing at night?
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I should imagine that the morning dose would be stronger :-[
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Will the garden end up like a UK phone box?
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I'll stick with Octave. Not sure that I could bring myself to wee on the snowdrops especially as we are supposed to save it up for the compost heap :)
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panellist Bob Flowerdew advocated the use of urine to treat botrytis. Has anyone tried that remedy on their snowdrops?
The benches are too high and too deep.
Or did he mean outdoors? At -7c we have no botrytis problems, icing could be.
johnw - +2c & sunny
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Do none of you guys own a bucket, then? :P
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I tried it ... but only for a wee while!
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The quest for yellow snowdrops takes a new turn...
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We talked about weeing on the plants, Ian wanted to, i let him ;)
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John, there's no carbendazim-based product available for sale to amateur gardeners in the UK any more. The manufacturers didn't bother to re-certify in the last EU pesticides review for amateur use as the sales were not large and profitable enough to justify it, but of course did pay to recertify for agricultural and professional horticultural/greenkeeping sales.
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The RHS Daffodil, Snowdrop and Tulip Yearbook 2009-2010 contains a very authoritative article on the subject of fungicides, written by Gordon Hanks, entitled 'Fungicides for amateur daffodil growers'.
He goes into the current legislation, where to get the most up to date information on approved pesticides and a review of all fungicides available for amateur use on ornamental plants.
The thing to bear in mind with these chemicals is that most, if not all, of them are preventative rather than curative and that they work by creating a barrier which stops the plant from being infected. It follows therefore that if your plant is already infected then drenching it with fungicide is, in itself unlikely to save your plant - it is necessary to cut out all of the infection first, before drenching it in fungicide (the fungicide then acts as a barrier to help what is left of your plant from becoming re-infected).
Don't forget also that the spores of stagnospora curtisii are believed to survive in the soil for as much as 5 or 6 years, so when you remove the infected plant, you also need to remove the immediate soil and plant a non bulbous plant, from a different genus, in its place (I wrote an article for the 2008-2009 RHS Daffodil, Snowdrop and Tulip Yearbook, entitled 'Collecting Snowdrops - Some Observations', which goes into a lot more detail about what needs to be done).
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THanks for telling us this
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A couple of snowdrop photos from today
plicatus or plicatus hybrid from Myddleton House - much better colour to the eye
elwesii Sir Edward Elgar - sorry it's wrong. They were bought from Linnet Farm
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a couple of ordinary unamed Galanthus elwesii out today
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a couple of ordinary unamed Galanthus elwesii out today
Not ordinary, Tony - very nice indeed; very shapely flowers, nice flaring inners and good dark marks, unusual marks too. I'd be inclined to say they look like gracilis rather than elwesii. I can see one bulb, still in bud, has convolute leaves. Do the flowering ones also have convolute leaves (wrapped around one another) or are they flat against each other at the base without any wrapping around? Not easy to see in the pics, but they look like they may not be convolute - in which case, they're gracilis, and very nice ones too.
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I thought so too Martin, particularly g62 Tony.
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a couple of ordinary unamed Galanthus elwesii out today
Not ordinary, Tony - very nice indeed; very shapely flowers, nice flaring inners and good dark marks, unusual marks too. I'd be inclined to say they look like gracilis rather than elwesii. I can see one bulb, still in bud, has convolute leaves. Do the flowering ones also have convolute leaves (wrapped around one another) or are they flat against each other at the base without any wrapping around? Not easy to see in the pics, but they look like they may not be convolute - in which case, they're gracilis, and very nice ones too.
Martin an interesting question. These are plants raised from seed from Vermion and I have about forty of them. Some are convolute and some are not and some could be said to be indeterminate. Several people who are experts have seen them in the wild and there are mixed opinions. It should be easy to decide gracilis or elwesii but this has not been the case and a mixture of both with hybrids as well seems to be the answer.I have called them all elwesii purely because they seem to be predominant. One has produced flowers with only two outer and two inner petals and one has four outer with five inner ones, quite a variation really.
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Yes, I've read comments from you about this location before. Does sound like a mixed population with intermediate hybrids. Of course, as I think I've said before, whether elwesii and gracilis should be considered separate species or variants of one species is another question altogether, and I suspect we haven't heard the last on that.
Whatever they are, they're beauties, especially the ones in pic g62, although the taller flower in the other pic looks like the same clone.
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No they are not the same clone. Melvyn has seen some of these plants in the wild so he may have a comment on them.
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No they are not the same clone. Melvyn has seen some of these plants in the wild so he may have a comment on them.
Then they're very consistent in their marking and hopefully should come fairly true from seed, if they set seed. They look very strong too. Really nice to see them. If Melvyn has more info on this population, I'd love to hear it.
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galanthus elwesii g62 28jan10.jpg - wolf whistle very nice form
The leaves are wide like my gracilis above and with little twist
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No they are not the same clone. Melvyn has seen some of these plants in the wild so he may have a comment on them.
My impression of the plants from this location is that they are G. gracilis, I showed a pot of mixed seedlings to Ruby Baker and she ,without hesitation, said that was her opinion too. The photo that I included in post 354 was from this same area. When I visited the site it was April and the plants were in seed. Over the next couple of days I will try to post more photos of the plants and if I can locate them photos of the plants in leaf at the site.
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Hi Melvyn. My first impression of Tony's pics was gracilis, but of course I haven't seen the plants in the flesh so my thoughts don't carry much weight. Certainly strong, sturdy, handsome-flowered things. Good breeding potential, I should think. It'd be interesting to know what the ploidy level is of some of these very strong, wide-leaved gracilis populations - whether some of them might be triploid or tetraploid (even more interesting for breeding purposes).
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They are indeed very nicely shaped and with a distinctive and unusual mark on the inners.
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Melvyn thanks for that comment which is interestingas you have seen them in situ. The book 'galanthus' has a picture of elwesii on Vermion and there are several sites on the mountain and so perhaps both grow there and there are also hybrids.
Here are two pictures I took last year of the base of the shoots which may help
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a couple of ordinary unamed Galanthus elwesii out today
Tony whatever these are they are without doubt very elegant 8) 8)
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Melvyn thanks for that comment which is interestingas you have seen them in situ. The book 'galanthus' has a picture of elwesii on Vermion and there are several sites on the mountain and so perhaps both grow there and there are also hybrids.
Here are two pictures I took last year of the base of the shoots which may help
Some of the leaf bases look like elwesii (convolute) and some like gracilis (applanate).
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reply 438 page 30 ( previous page)
elwesii Sir Edward Elgar - sorry it's wrong. They were bought from Linnet Farm
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A lovely lot Tony. You'll have to grow seed of them to see what surfaces in round two.
johnw
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Tony they are quite beautiful plants of elwesii, very distinctive and pristine looking like all of your plants!
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Another day photographing in my favourite snowdrop place.
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Diane,
What remarkably long petals. Well named!
Paddy
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No they are not the same clone. Melvyn has seen some of these plants in the wild so he may have a comment on them.
Then they're very consistent in their marking and hopefully should come fairly true from seed, if they set seed. They look very strong too. Really nice to see them. If Melvyn has more info on this population, I'd love to hear it.
I have found that I have just three images of the Galanthus site that I visited on Mt Vermion.
Photo 1 is a habitat shot. As Tony mentioned there are more sites on Mt Vermon so this habitat may not be typical.
The second is a typical plant, whilst there were many plants at this location they were all growing as singles. As previously mentioned I visited the site in late April and the seed pods were well developed.
Photo three shows the only variegated plant that I have seen in the wild.
In my next post I will show close ups of the seedlings grown from this site.
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anyone growing galanthus Irish Green?
I bought it last summer but no sign of it yet and I like the weird ones very much! needless to tell I got a very good bulb.
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The first nine images are seedlings from the Mt Vermion site. I am not sure that the leaf pictures are going to help determine the species involved but the flowers seem to be consistent in the way the innner segments flair out. My inclination is to stick with G.gracilis. Is it not reasonable to accept that G.gracilis has a variable leaf rather than suggest hybridisation with G.elwesii?
The final photo is a plant I purchased in a group pot with four others at Wisley yesterday, there were many on offer all labelled G.elwesii but such a variable selection, some could easily have been described as G.gracilis.
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Melvyn
Hope they have more of No. 10 when I visit next Saturday for the Cyclamen Show. :) :) :)
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Please forgive the ignorance- but are these G.gracilis the same plants as G.graecus and G.elwesii minor?
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I like the variegated gracilis
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The variegated galanthus in pic Galgra3 in post 458 above looks to me not only to be variegated but also to have twists in the leaves suggestive of disease or disorder!
I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole... too risky for virus in my book :-X :P
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Please forgive the ignorance- but are these G.gracilis the same plants as G.graecus and G.elwesii minor?
Yes, graecus was the previous name for gracilis, and elwesii minor was another name applied to graecus at one time.
As I said earlier, I doubt we've heard the final word from taxonomists about the status of gracilis and elwesii. The boundaries between the two species seem to be growing more and more blurred as more wild material is seen. Aaron Davis says they can sometimes be found growing next to one another, and the distinctions (leaf width, leaf vernation, twisting etc) are increasingly seen to be quite variable and hard to hold up as defining characteristics - some gracilis have wide leaves, some elwesii have narrow leaves, many gracilis have twisted leaves, but some don;t while some elwesii have slightly twisted leaves, some gracilis have slightly convolute leaves, while some elwesii can have almost applanate leaves, some gracilis can be quite large, while some elwesii can be pretty small, and as for flared inner petals, well...
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Thanks Martin. It was just that we have G.elwesii minor growing here too and Flora Bulgarica makes no distinction between the type plant and the subspecies.
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I forgot to mention that Zonneveld found gracilis and elwesii to have virtually identical amounts of DNA, showing a very close relationship, and of course they cross very easily with each other.
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Thanks Martin. It was just that we have G.elwesii minor growing here too and Flora Bulgarica makes no distinction between the type plant and the subspecies.
There's always been a lot of disagreement between taxonomists over the naming and the distinctiveness, with some not recognising gracilis as a separate species.
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Yes, I was wondering if the minor differences may be a result of natural variability within a species. Here are 2 pics taken last spring from a population we found on the Black Sea Coast.
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Please forgive the ignorance- but are these G.gracilis the same plants as G.graecus and G.elwesii minor?
Yes, graecus was the previous name for gracilis, and elwesii minor was another name applied to graecus at one time.
As I said earlier, I doubt we've heard the final word from taxonomists about the status of gracilis and elwesii. The boundaries between the two species seem to be growing more and more blurred as more wild material is seen. Aaron Davis says they can sometimes be found growing next to one another, and the distinctions (leaf width, leaf vernation, twisting etc) are increasingly seen to be quite variable and hard to hold up as defining characteristics - some gracilis have wide leaves, some elwesii have narrow leaves, many gracilis have twisted leaves, but some don;t while some elwesii have slightly twisted leaves, some gracilis have slightly convolute leaves, while some elwesii can have almost applanate leaves, some gracilis can be quite large, while some elwesii can be pretty small, and as for flared inner petals, well...
Variable vernation might just cause a few headaches for the taxonomists and our labels down the road. Ready the whiteout!
johnw
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plicatus Vera Trum
Is anyone growing Vera Trum? The flowers on my plants are open day and night. Has anyone seen this?
Mark
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Yes Mark, give me about a fortnight and it may be in flower - you are so far ahead of the East of England!
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Brian it's been above ground since the snow went away - the last snow. We have a few centimeters dumped on us overnight and a forecast of -5 tonight
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The flowers on my plants are open day and night.
Is this a trait that has been recorded for the many cultivars and is it very common? I have noticed all elwesii ex DA's friend and gracilis Yamanlar were still wide open at 1 am and it was cold too. In Gloucestershire we were out roaming about at 5:30 am in February darkness and came across a small clump of G. nivalis they were still open at about 1c with a stiff wind blowing, no others over several acres were open.
johnw
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A few snowdrops in the snow
Ivy Cottage Corporal
plicatus Wendy's Gold
rizehensis
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John just now I cant think of any that stay open
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Some green tips in flower today.
Ivy Cottage Greetips.
Selbourn Greentips
Margery Fish
A plant raised from a mixed selection of seed, the only green tip so far.
A chance find in a garden centre last year.
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I do miss a picture of Vera Trum ???
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flower or leaves?
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The garden centre and seedling elwesii are very nice. Today was to be my trip to visit local garden centres but the snow put an end to that
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Here are 2 pics taken last spring from a population we found on the Black Sea Coast.
Were the two flowers naturally out-facing, or did you position them
for the photos?
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Here are 2 pics taken last spring from a population we found on the Black Sea Coast.
Were the two flowers naturally out-facing, or did you position them
for the photos?
That's exactly as we found them, Diane. We only do Galanthus positioning on request ;)
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Sometimes I see snowdrop flowers open before they escape from the spathe
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A chance find in a garden centre last year.
A very good chance find, Melvyn.
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I was re-reading Stern's book last night and happened upon a photo of a lovely snowdrop drift. The caption was Arniston, Midlothian. I have never heard of the planting before. Is it still in existence? I see an Arniston House on the internet but no mention of snowdrops there.
johnw
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This Galanthus " Gild Edge" is valid; gotten.
Can someone which to it say?
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Gunter, plicatus 'Gold Edge' is OK
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jetzt mit Foto
" Gild Edge"
Günter
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Never heard about it, Günter. Noch nie was davon gehört. Ist ja eine kleine Sensation. Ein plicatus???
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wow that is a brilliant find
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Warei has a gigantic spathe here. I don't recall having ever seen such a big one.
gracilis Yamanlar is still going strong and throwing out more flowering scapes. #4 from the same bulb just noticed.
johnw
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Very unusual, Gunther, very nice!
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I was re-reading Stern's book last night and happened upon a photo of a lovely snowdrop drift. The caption was Arniston, Midlothian. I have never heard of the planting before. Is it still in existence? I see an Arniston House on the internet but no mention of snowdrops there.
johnw
Here you go, John, Arniston House ........
http://www.arniston-house.co.uk/ shows the house etc. today but no mention of snowdrops. :P
The plant hunter David Bowman was born in Arniston village 1838.........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowman_%28botanist%29
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search_item/index.php?service=NAS&id=RHP5246/15 is a reference to an archived document relating to the "pleasure grounds at Arniston"
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Very nice Günter, I particularly like the elegant inner and the claws mean that, presumably, you can see the yellow when it is still in bud?
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I see a small orange tip on the right hand petal or is it my imagination
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This Galanthus " Gild Edge" is valid; gotten.
Can someone which to it say?
Günter - the name G. plicatus 'Gilt Edge' has been used by Foxgrove Plants (in their 2007 & 2008 Catalogues) for a plant that they describe as "A variegated form, which seems to be fairly constant and worth growing. Flowers are nicely shaped".
However, I believe that the Foxgrove Plant may in fact be the G. plicatus 'Gold Edge', originally found by Phil Cornish, and which is listed on page 148 of the 'Snowdrops' book, which has a similar description.
I will be asking Foxgrove Plants to confirm if their plant is in fact G. plicatus 'Gold Edge', in which case 'Gilt Edge' would be available for your plant.
I will let you know when I get an answer from Foxgrove Plants - in the meantime, I will record on the 'Snowdrops2' Database that you wish to use this name for your plant (which looks very nice!) .
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Lovely new snowdrop Günter,
I see a small orange tip on the right hand petal or is it my imagination
Mark - I think I can see a slight colour on the petal tips too.
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This Galanthus species are from my town. (Middle Anatolia - Karaman)
In their nature.
I want to ask their names.
Thanks for any comments.
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They look like elwesii
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This Galanthus species are from my town. (Middle Anatolia - Karaman)
In their nature.
I want to ask their names.
Thanks for any comments.
I think it is generally true in botany that different species of plant may have widely different form and leaves but are recognisable by the similarity of their flowers. This is certainly true of snowdrops; we can tell a little from the flowers but if you want to identify the species you must send pictures of the leaves, so we can see the whole plant.
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How was Blacksmith Cottage, anyone?
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Just a quick photograph. This is G. 'Hughes Emerald', a snowdrop cultivar from New Zealand.
Paddy
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Blacksmiths event was very enjoyable, lots of snowdrops and spring plants for sale too. Sales from Joe, Richard Hobbs, Ivy Cottage and John Foster - other small nurseries too. Not bad for a small hamlet in the middle of nowhere! Joe gave a most informative talk (third time I think I've heard it, but nontheless lots learnt and worth the visit).
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Hmm, I came for the afternoon sale but I didn't see you, Brian; at least not if you still look like your forum picture. However, I'm terrible with faces and names so maybe I walked past you and didn't notice?
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Hmm, I came for the afternoon sale but I didn't see you, Brian; at least not if you still look like your forum picture. However, I'm terrible with faces and names so maybe I walked past you and didn't notice?
And if he looked like 'E.A. Bowles'?
johnw
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And if he looked like 'E.A. Bowles'?
johnw
The man I wouldn't recognise (although as he is dead he might be conspicuous). The snowdrop would have my rapt attention. In fact I saw what must be the only clump of it in existence in a pot at the RHS show a year or two ago.
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I am sorry Alan, if I'd known you were definitely coming I would have hung about. However, we were there from 10.30 for the talk and therefore were more than sated by the time others arrived for the sales. Ann and I must have left about 2pm
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Just a quick photograph. This is G. 'Hughes Emerald', a snowdrop cultivar from New Zealand.
Paddy
Paddy, I really like this snowdrop cultivar - one definitely growing well for you in the Emerald Isle 8)
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And if he looked like 'E.A. Bowles'?
johnw
The man I wouldn't recognise (although as he is dead he might be conspicuous). The snowdrop would have my rapt attention. In fact I saw what must be the only clump of it in existence in a pot at the RHS show a year or two ago.
Alan
Of course I meant the drop! Yes, we were with you and kentgardener when we saw that extraordinary pot of EAB on the awards table. ;)
johnw
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Just a quick photograph. This is G. 'Hughes Emerald', a snowdrop cultivar from New Zealand.
Paddy
Paddy, I really like this snowdrop cultivar - one definitely growing well for you in the Emerald Isle 8)
Robin, it is going well and looks like it will grow into a nice clump in the garden.
Paddy
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Definitely a good looker.
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Here is a note which Lesley posted last year which give the source of this cultivar:
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 16, 2009, 11:35:26 PM
I just have reginae-olgae out at present but up are the bulbs I bought last spring (day before I went to Australia), of G. elwesii 'Emerald' (as it is grown by Denis Hughes at Blue Mountain Nursery) or 'Hughes' Emerald' as Susan and I know it or 'Emerald Hughes' as apparently it is known in the UK. whatever, it is a large and robust form originating in the Blue Mountain nursery. I bought 3 bulbs for $20 each (ouch) but each of the 3 pots, when I planted them out in February, had 7!!! bulbs in it.
Paddy
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That does sound like a good do'er. 8)
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I see a small orange tip on the right hand petal or is it my imagination
I thought I was seeing things too. I only see it when I first open the picture, upon closer examination I'm not so sure.
johnw
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This is G. 'Hughes Emerald', a snowdrop cultivar from New Zealand
Thanks for the info Paddy and the post from Lesley on this lovely cultivar from NZ - looking forward to seeing your clump grow :)
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Interesting cultivar from New Zealand. Is it more trouble than it is worth to send snowdrops to New Zealand?
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Hi Anthony, I have managed to send Snowdrops once to new Zealand and it was expesive for all the Scottish office inspections but now we would find it even more expesive as cost have almost doubled, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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Hi Anthony, I have managed to send Snowdrops once to new Zealand and it was expesive for all the Scottish office inspections but now we would find it even more expesive as cost have almost doubled, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
So, the only way left is the old spy movie method: the hollowed out book!
Paddy
(Only joking)
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The big one opened today - you were right Brian.
Galanthus George Elwes - well named.
johnw
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And another whopping big one... Galanthus elwesii v. Whittallii (Foxgrove's large form).
johnw
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Galanthus Mill House again but larger now and the green darker.
johnw
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Lastly Galanthus Seagull.
johnw
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John,
Certainly a selection of good sized snowdrops, all looking in perfect condition and very attractive. And another few snowdrops that could be put on the list of desires.
Paddy
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And another few snowdrops that could be put on the list of desires.
Which book now?
War & Peace?
johnw
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Hi Anthony, I have managed to send Snowdrops once to new Zealand and it was expesive for all the Scottish office inspections but now we would find it even more expesive as cost have almost doubled, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
So how much is that?
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Anthony, this is a recent govmt. document on plant inspection fees etc:
http://www.oqps.gov.uk/legislation/ssi/ssi2008/ssi_20080153_en_1
Then there are special CITES licence fees as well, I think
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With these fees I feel they are just tempting more people to take the back door approach. >:(
Eric
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With these fees I feel they are just tempting more people to take the back door approach. >:(
Eric
Maybe, Eric, but is that not an argument which could be extended to say that having things for sale at a price in shops is encouraging theft? Two wrongs don't make a right, and all that!
I have a suspicion that even if the permits were free then some people would still cheat because they couldn't be bothered to complete the paperwork.... :-\
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Anthony - Our last joint UK order was for about 80 bulbs and here are the costs;
CITES permit £57.00
Phytosanitary inspection £30.00
Post £13
Not so bad if you get others in on the order. That makes it £1.25 extra per bulb, or as Mark would say just another 1/125.6 sliver of 'E.A. Bowles'. ;D
I undertsand the CITES charge was going to double or more in the Spring of 2010. It certainly is an act of goodwill on the part of the nurseryman, one would never re-coup the time or money dealing with the whole process and our thanks go out.
johnw
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;D ;D ;D
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Not so bad if you get others in on the order.
That really is the way to go isn't it John, it makes the cost almost negligible and compares well with paying for postage and package here!
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Certainly when the cost is spread over a large number of bulbs it is not as prohibitive as I might have expected. An additional £1.25 per bulb is not a huge addition given the cost per bulb.
Paddy
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The fees John quotes are much less than those listed in the Scottish fee structure in that link I gave... :P
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Not so bad if you get others in on the order.
That really is the way to go isn't it John, it makes the cost almost negligible and compares well with paying for postage and package here!
Brian - The postage was quite reasonable but they took two weeks to get here. However we never know how long they spent at Canadian Inspection.
Two weeks would be too long for "in the green" but "in the green" would not be permissible anyway, the bulbs have to be dormant. This makes me wonder about sending things like seeds of nerine (with documentation) to distant places like NZ and Aus, if the seed sent out a root - as they frequently do - in transit would they still get through as seed or would they then be considered plants and destroyed?
johnw
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Anyone else notice that the 'Sibbertoft No. 2' being offered on ebay is illustrated with a pic of a nice-looking poculiform snowdrop, which 'Sibbertoft No. 2' isn't. According to the book, it's an Atkinsii type. Something not quite right there!
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The fees John quotes are much less than those listed in the Scottish fee structure in that link I gave... :P
They must allow for the Scots beating them down on the price. ??? ;)
johnw
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A few more Galanthus - 'All Saints', nivalis 'Warei' and 'Sophie North'
johnw
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I see other mistakes also Martin. A man who has written a book on himself below his listing is selling a Galanthus green tipped lost label and Robin Hood. His photo for Robin Hood is an elwesii.
They could have been supplied wrong in the first place. I know someone who refuses to rename wrongly supplied snowdrops in the garden because that's what they were bought as. Even the best get it wrong. I saw Merlin for sale last year that had a single mark
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Anthony, this is a recent govmt. document on plant inspection fees etc:
http://www.oqps.gov.uk/legislation/ssi/ssi2008/ssi_20080153_en_1
Then there are special CITES licence fees as well, I think
Why does a vision of Harpo and Grouch Marx come into my head when I read that? Plain English it isn't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it would appear that it would cost £180 per batch of bulbs sent.
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Anthony, this is a recent govmt. document on plant inspection fees etc:
http://www.oqps.gov.uk/legislation/ssi/ssi2008/ssi_20080153_en_1
Then there are special CITES licence fees as well, I think
Why does a vision of Harpo and Grouch Marx come into my head when I read that? Plain English it isn't. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it would appear that it would cost £180 per batch of bulbs sent.
That's the sum I thought, too... :-\
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I see other mistakes also Martin. A man who has written a book on himself below his listing is selling a Galanthus green tipped lost label and Robin Hood. His photo for Robin Hood is an elwesii.
They could have been supplied wrong in the first place. I know someone who refuses to rename wrongly supplied snowdrops in the garden because that's what they were bought as. Even the best get it wrong. I saw Merlin for sale last year that had a single mark
I don't think anyone is likely to have been sent a poc by a genuine grower instead of Sibbertoft No. 2 by mistake, and I would have thought anyone who got it would pretty soon realise the mistake. I queried the photo and the seller said it was their own photo taken last year, but if you enlarge it, there seems to be some sort of watermark on the pic and the quality looks like it was taken off the web. This is the second listing of this item by this seller, the last one went for about £40. Fishy!
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a fool and their money ... If these people are buying for the first time they will get their fingers burnt
I know someone who is buying up snowdrops but doesnt own the book.
Last week on of my photos was used to sell a snowdrop. When I queried it the seller said it was her own photo but. I told her it was my photo and gave her details of where and when it was taken. The reply was The photo orinated in Germany. I only allow people I know to use photos. One person adds links to my web site.
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Perhaps ebay ought to pay the SRGC for its members policing their sales ;D
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That's the sum I thought, too... :-\
Shhhh! Ken reads these postings occasionally. ;)
johnw
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That's the sum I thought, too... :-\
Shhhh! Ken reads these postings occasionally. ;)
johnw
Not the snowdrop pages, surely? :o ;D
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That's the sum I thought, too... :-\
Shhhh! Ken reads these postings occasionally. ;)
johnw
And if he read just how many snowdrops you got last year he would have even more to say.
Paddy
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And there was I thinking that Ken ( who I have yet to meet ) would be a sensible sort of Croconut, with eyes only for the interesting plants......... ::)
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And if he read just how many snowdrops you got last year he would have even more to say.
Let's hope he didn't have to answer the door to the postman 'cos then he'd know ;)
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And there was I thinking that Ken ( who I have yet to meet ) would be a sensible sort of Croconut, with eyes only for the interesting plants......... ::)
Good instincts there Maggi. True, a croconut-helleborenut-polygonatumnut-decidedly woodlandernut but no snowdropnut.
johnw
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And if he read just how many snowdrops you got last year he would have even more to say.
Let's hope he didn't have to answer the door to the postman 'cos then he'd know ;)
I think that is why their frontdoor has the largest post-box in the district.... specially installed so parcels can be snuck in quietly!! ;)
Good instincts there Maggi. True, a croconut-helleborenut-polygonatumnut-decidedly woodlandernut but no snowdropnut.
johnw
I KNEW it! I'm a great judge of croconuttery! ;D
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And if he read just how many snowdrops you got last year he would have even more to say.
Let's hope he didn't have to answer the door to the postman 'cos then he'd know ;)
Brian - I asked the postman to use the coal chute for bigger orders and even placed a pillow at the bottom. Still I got caught. ;)
johnw
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;D ;D ;D
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Last week on of my photos was used to sell a snowdrop. When I queried it the seller said it was her own photo but. I told her it was my photo and gave her details of where and when it was taken. The reply was The photo orinated in Germany. I only allow people I know to use photos. One person adds links to my web site.
I'll must confess, that I did lift (pirate) one of the snowdrop pics in this forum, for the creation of my gaggalanthus photos, but such photos went no further than the Galanthus Bulb repository here on the SRGC Forum ;D ;D ;D
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4865.0
Seriously though, I have had similar experiences where my Allium photos have been lifted and used without my knowledge for various nurseries or online plant sales. Whenever I've been contacted for permission to use my photos, I've always obliged such requests, but it is unsettling to find out one's photos are hijacked without permission for commercial purposes by others.
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I'll must confess, that I did lift one of the snowdrop pics in this forum
This may cost you an 'E.A. Bowles'. Brace yourself. ;)
johnw
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Primrose Warburg, her antics always bring a smile, in a pot too.
johnw
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I believe she was a generous lady John, always giving people plants as gifts....but only once, if you asked for it again you were interrogated as to what you had done with it.