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Title: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Tim Harberd on February 01, 2022, 01:48:48 PM
It’s pollination day today, for my biggest clump of little G. sandersii. Always a messy business, so I thought I’d take a few photos before the carnage starts!

Tim DH
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Mariette on February 03, 2022, 01:46:33 PM
Really an enviable clump, and of a well-shaped selection, also!

Yesterday we enjoyed some sunshine, too, and I was able to take a few pics.

An ordinary G. woronowii with a seedling  of Eranthis hyemalis.

(https://up.picr.de/42953257pe.jpg)

An unusually early G. n. var. scharlockii

(https://up.picr.de/42953255as.jpg)

Early, reliable and floriferous: ´Warley Belles´

(https://up.picr.de/42953254cq.jpg)

And the earliest yellow snowdrop in my garden: ´Golden Fleece´

(https://up.picr.de/42953252yo.jpg)

´Golden Fleece´is available since several years now - does anybody know other varieties similar to this one?

(https://up.picr.de/42953251sk.jpg)
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Leena on February 03, 2022, 04:47:19 PM
Mariette, so lovely pictures of snowdrops with other plants! It looks that you had a wonderful weather.
I had to google 'Warley Belles',and it has a nice story behind it coming from Ellen Willmotts garden, and a good looking snowdrop, too.

I didn't know 'Golden Fleece' was an early yellow, always new things to learn. Thank you. :)
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Irm on February 08, 2022, 11:49:03 AM


´Golden Fleece´is available since several years now - does anybody know other varieties similar to this one?
.
Joe Sharman shows a new one on FB today, Galanthus plicatus ‘Golden Tears’
"A narrow-flowered yellow pterugiform with a very large mark and bright yellow ovary"

Very nice !
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Mariette on February 08, 2022, 08:07:17 PM
Thank You Irm - it would have been a surprise if Joe would have dropped that line! ´Golden Tears´ would certainly be welcome to brighten up my garden with a dull and stormy weather like this.

Two seedlings I´ll keep, though they cannot compete with ´Golden Tears´, of course.

(https://up.picr.de/42953256ye.jpg)

(https://up.picr.de/42953253od.jpg)
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Maggi Young on February 09, 2022, 01:07:03 PM
Jo Hynes in Devon has a couple of garden open days coming up  - Jo is well known  for her galanthus, and cyclamen among other great plants!!
https://ngs.org.uk/view-garden/17164

Higher Cherubeer
Winkleigh, Devon

Postcode: EX19 8PP
Next openings:
Friday 11th February 2pm - 5pm
Book now

Pre-booking available Saturday 19th February 2pm - 5pm

Open by arrangement:
February - October
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Maggi Young on February 09, 2022, 01:24:28 PM
Lots of Scottish Gardens open for early plant joy, too, of course!  The SGS book is available now (https://scotlands-gardens-scheme.square.site/product/pre-order-our-2022-guidebook/33?cp=true&sa=true&sbp=false&q=false) 

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and see dates and places of gardens open
https://scotlandsgardens.org/find-a-garden/

.... not to mention Discover Scottish Gardens ... http://www.discoverscottishgardens.org/

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#snowdropfestival2022

Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Rudi B. on February 11, 2022, 12:01:53 AM
http://www.schneegloeckchentage-knechtsteden.de/infos/teilnehmer.html

Kurz zu später Stunde an Alle :
 
Gute Nachricht: Das Ordnungsamt hat mitgeteilt, dass die Veranstaltung genehmigt wird (mit Auflagen aber immerhin).
 
Es kann also weiter geplant werden und wir gehen davon aus, dass wir eine schöne und erfolgreiche Veranstaltung haben werden. Und: Es soll frostfrei bleiben.

Briefly at a late hour to all :
 
Good news: The Office of Public Order has informed us that the event will be approved (with conditions, but still).
 
So we can continue planning and we expect to have a nice and successful event. And: It should stay frost-free.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Peppa on February 11, 2022, 05:02:13 AM
I am enjoying looking through everyone's lovely pictures! I have some Galanthus blooming and some seedlings from crosses that I made are leafing out nicely.

I notice that many of you here have experience crossing Galanthus and I wonder if anyone who has sown self-pollinated G. nivalis scharlockii seeds has got the scharlockii features in the first generation. I was lucky to receive these seeds several years ago and the first generation of flowers turned out looking like regular G. nivalis. So I am assuming I need to sow the seeds from these first generation plants and see how the second generation will turn out. I was curious if somebody had experience they might be willing to share...
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Gerdk on February 11, 2022, 10:40:39 AM
http://www.schneegloeckchentage-knechtsteden.de/infos/teilnehmer.html

Kurz zu später Stunde an Alle :
 
Gute Nachricht: Das Ordnungsamt hat mitgeteilt, dass die Veranstaltung genehmigt wird (mit Auflagen aber immerhin).
 
Es kann also weiter geplant werden und wir gehen davon aus, dass wir eine schöne und erfolgreiche Veranstaltung haben werden. Und: Es soll frostfrei bleiben.

Glad to hear that!  Das freut mich zu hören!

Gerd
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Robert on February 12, 2022, 02:20:09 AM
Rudi B,

Wie Gerd schreibte,  Wirklich ausgezeichnet!

As Gerd wrote – Truly exciting and wonderful.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Herman Mylemans on February 13, 2022, 12:07:45 PM
Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii 'Kite' is this frost damage or disease?
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Alan_b on February 13, 2022, 07:27:27 PM
Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii 'Kite' is this frost damage or disease?

I've never seen anything quite like this but it looks unpleasant.  If you have enough space to quarantine these bulbs I would do so.  If not I would dispose of them as 'Kite' is relatively inexpensive and easy to replace.   
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Herman Mylemans on February 13, 2022, 07:38:00 PM
I've never seen anything quite like this but it looks unpleasant.  If you have enough space to quarantine these bulbs I would do so.  If not I would dispose of them as 'Kite' is relatively inexpensive and easy to replace.
Thank you Alan. I'll dig them up!
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: cfaitz on February 14, 2022, 09:26:22 AM
Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii 'Kite' is this frost damage or disease?
I agree, isolate them. Yet, looks to me like slugs are to blame for a good portion of the damage. We've had quite a few unusually warm nights this season in Continental Europe...
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Herman Mylemans on February 15, 2022, 04:12:45 PM
I dig up:  Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii 'Kite'. The bulbs seem to me OK. I don't think they need to be destroyed. I put everything in a pot.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Wim Snoeijer on February 15, 2022, 04:21:14 PM
Herman,
It looks that you have used fresh bark as a mulch. If so, this might be the cause of the leaf tip damage.
Wim
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Herman Mylemans on February 15, 2022, 04:25:01 PM
Herman,
It looks that you have used fresh bark as a mulch. If so, this might be the cause of the leaf tip damage.
Wim
Wim, I indeed used fresh bark as a mulch in autumn. This Galanthus was the only one with damaged leaves and no flower.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Alan_b on February 15, 2022, 04:30:14 PM
I dig up:  Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii 'Kite'. The bulbs seem to me OK. I don't think they need to be destroyed. I put everything in a pot.

I agree that the bulbs look fine.  However if the plants have a viral infection I would not necessarily expect that the bulbs would show any sign of this.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Herman Mylemans on February 15, 2022, 04:35:09 PM
Thanks Alan and Wim. I'll leave them in a pot and see what it gives next year
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Tim Harberd on February 16, 2022, 04:05:24 PM
Snowdrops are remarkably frost tolerant. ... It's one of the things I like about them!

Attached a clump of PHD 33463 after a frost (11th Feb) and again four days later.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 16, 2022, 04:44:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1l8aAVN.jpg)
Galanthus elwesii 'Three Leaves'
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Villu on February 17, 2022, 10:31:33 AM
I had severe frost damage on snowdrops last March and it proved the flower stems to be the weakest to frostbite. Quite some cultivars got damaged as two examples below.

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'Moortown Mighty'

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'Veronica Cross'

Another thing I noticed was yellowed/damaged leaf tips and yellow marks instead of green on some cultivars. Snowdrops are remarkably tough but can be damaged by frost down to -10 'C.

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'Trumps' with some yellowish marks
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'Poculiperfect' with damaged leaf tips

Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Mike Ireland on February 18, 2022, 04:04:55 PM
Unknown Galanthus in a friends garden.  Any idea as to the species, thanks.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Hannelore on February 19, 2022, 08:38:59 AM
Unknown species; bought several years ago on a market as "poculiforme" without any naming. Needed several years to settle. Nice anyway
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Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 19, 2022, 03:58:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/aVHLbu3.jpg)
Galanthus Sutton Courtenay

(https://i.imgur.com/D9MxHK0.jpg)
Galanthus Trymlet

(https://i.imgur.com/7nIXvU0.jpg)
Galanthus plicatus 'Colossus'

(https://i.imgur.com/NYtsZOj.jpg)
Galanthus nivalis #37 from Slovenia

(https://i.imgur.com/E5Y387t.jpg)
Galanthus 'James Backhouse'
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Alan_b on February 19, 2022, 08:45:19 PM
Unknown Galanthus in a friends garden.  Any idea as to the species, thanks.
I think the species is Galanthus plicatus but the leaves are a bit too far away to be sure. 
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Alan_b on February 19, 2022, 08:48:37 PM
Unknown species; bought several years ago on a market as "poculiforme" without any naming. Needed several years to settle. Nice anyway
(Attachment Link)
It looks like the species is Galanthus nivalis.  Poculiform snowdrops are so much less common in other species that nivalis would be a good bet even if I could not see the picture.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Peppa on February 20, 2022, 04:43:34 AM
It is always exciting to see the first flowers from seed you've raised.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Alan_b on February 20, 2022, 07:06:58 AM
It is always exciting to see the first flowers from seed you've raised.
Very nice markings.  Do those narrow leaves in the foreground belong to that flower?
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Alan_b on February 20, 2022, 07:14:39 AM
Galanthus plicatus 'Colossus'

My, 'Colossus' isn't living up to its name, is it?  In my garden 'Colossus' flowers early in the new year at a fairly normal size.  But the leaves keep on growing and do become very large later in the season.  When I moved north the flowering times of many of my early snowdrops changed but 'Colossus' still flowers at the same time that it always used to.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Mike Ireland on February 20, 2022, 10:23:19 AM
Alan does this photo help with the ID?
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Leena on February 20, 2022, 11:21:29 AM
Stefan, very nice snowdrops!
About 'Colossus'.  Here it is also an early flowering form coming up through snow (not yet) and many times the flowers are full developed inside the snow before the snow melts.
It is a tall plant, but I don't think it's leaves are very tall, more the flower stem. I will pay more attention to it this year. It looks very elegant with it's tall flower stem, but two years ago when we didn't have much snow, it suffered a little from cold temperatures (in the end the flowers stayed down and didn't have energy to come up any more after weeks of cold nights).

Villu, here I haven't noticed so much cold damage in snowdrop flowers, only very seldom (or else I just don't notice it and I'm just happy of any flowoers..). Maybe snowdrops come up here later and so are not as well advanced when it is still very cold.
Yellow leaf tips are common though.
In spring 2020 when we had almost no snow and no winter snowdrops came up in January and February, and then in February we had a two weeks of "winter", temperatures below freezing and I think -16 was the coldest. 'Mrs Macnamara' was full flowering at that time and came through without any damage. I had noticed the same also in previous winters, it is very cold hardy snowdrop.  :)
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Peppa on February 21, 2022, 12:09:51 AM
Very nice markings.  Do those narrow leaves in the foreground belong to that flower?

Thank you, Alan!

No, the narrow leaves are from siblings that haven't bloomed yet. :)
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 21, 2022, 06:00:53 PM
My, 'Colossus' isn't living up to its name, is it?  In my garden 'Colossus' flowers early in the new year at a fairly normal size.  But the leaves keep on growing and do become very large later in the season.  When I moved north the flowering times of many of my early snowdrops changed but 'Colossus' still flowers at the same time that it always used to.

Thank you, Leena  and Alan_b !
Bought in 2014 from Pottertons Nursery. They are a very good nursery. I think about something else, my garden is in zone 6, whether this is not the reason to bloom later. For example, Galanthus Three Ships bloomed for me in early January this year.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 21, 2022, 06:06:16 PM
My new acquisition! :)
(https://i.imgur.com/zgyuoZB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eFDA2vK.jpg)
Galanthus trojanus
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 21, 2022, 06:45:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YaAq9G4.jpg)
Galanthus nivalis
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Mariette on February 22, 2022, 01:48:43 PM
My new acquisition! :)
(https://i.imgur.com/zgyuoZB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eFDA2vK.jpg)
Galanthus trojanus
A very beautiful snowdrop, Stefan!
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Mariette on February 22, 2022, 01:56:22 PM


I notice that many of you here have experience crossing Galanthus and I wonder if anyone who has sown self-pollinated G. nivalis scharlockii seeds has got the scharlockii features in the first generation. I was lucky to receive these seeds several years ago and the first generation of flowers turned out looking like regular G. nivalis. So I am assuming I need to sow the seeds from these first generation plants and see how the second generation will turn out. I was curious if somebody had experience they might be willing to share...
Hi Peppa, I wonder if anybody bred scharlockii from seed, usually special forms are collected where they grow wild. My first one came from a German nursery in the nineties, it´s  a small form and not special at all, but spreads and seems to come true from seed in the garden - though I never really checked.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Akke on February 22, 2022, 04:29:03 PM
Just a few Elwesii standing out.

A more yellow one
With more pointed very long leaves
With short leaves

Leena

The third picture the same plant as picture three, 16th of January, this one was taken Feb 13.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Peppa on February 22, 2022, 08:28:36 PM
Hi Peppa, I wonder if anybody bred scharlockii from seed, usually special forms are collected where they grow wild. My first one came from a German nursery in the nineties, it´s  a small form and not special at all, but spreads and seems to come true from seed in the garden - though I never really checked.

Hi Mariette, I don't think the seeds I received were a named variety of scharlockii, but my friend who kindly sent them to me grows quite nice ones even though they are not named. The seeds were mixed and from the open garden, so they might possibly be contaminated by other species, but any fresh seeds of Galanthus are special to me and I am willing to grow whatever I can obtain. The interesting thing is that the first generation of these scharlockii seedlings had regular G. nivalis flowers but longer pedicels. If you ever happen to check your scharlokii seedlings, please let me know what they look like!

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Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Hannelore on February 23, 2022, 12:54:00 PM
Lady Elphinstone
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Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 23, 2022, 07:15:10 PM
Here are my ladies :)
(https://i.imgur.com/E1KMl1t.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6TviQcE.jpg)
Galanthus 'Lady Elphinstone'

(https://i.imgur.com/fhpaiDG.jpg)
Galanthus 'Lady Beatrix Stanley'
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 23, 2022, 07:20:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4wppz5S.jpg)
Galanthus 'Wasp'

(https://i.imgur.com/wLygJsa.jpg)
Galanthus 'Fly Fishing'

(https://i.imgur.com/Ro09vfa.jpg)
Galanthus 'Rosemary Burnham'
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 23, 2022, 07:22:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yneadiA.jpg)
Galanthus plicatus ssp. plicatus
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Nik on February 25, 2022, 05:57:26 PM
https://www.gardensillustrated.com/news/snowdrop-bulb-sells-for-a-record-busting-1850/

Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Nik on February 25, 2022, 05:59:14 PM
These are in our neighbors’ yard. No idea what species/variety they are. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Nik on February 25, 2022, 06:19:52 PM
I loved Stefan’s avatar, so I changed mine too. It is madness…
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 25, 2022, 06:55:39 PM
These are in our neighbors’ yard. No idea what species/variety they are. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Hi Nik, maybe this will help you ...
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=Poster+galanthus&fulltext=search&ns0=1&ns6=1&ns12=1&ns14=1&ns100=1&ns106=1
It is most likely galanthus elwesii
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Alan_b on February 25, 2022, 08:21:52 PM
Alan does this photo help with the ID?
These are in our neighbors’ yard. No idea what species/variety they are. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

In both cases these are Galanthus elwesii.  The leaves are glaucous green and if you look at the base of the leaves you will see that one leaf enfolds the other like those of a tulip.  Galanthus elwesii is the only snowdrop species which has both these characteristics.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Nik on February 25, 2022, 09:52:15 PM
Thank you for the ID Stefan and Alan!
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 26, 2022, 05:55:39 PM
I waited for it to bloom for three years ...
(https://i.imgur.com/864pz3e.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/B1kmWUl.jpg)
Galanthus nivalis 'Sibbertoft White'
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Stefan B. on February 26, 2022, 05:59:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GYTkEJp.jpg)
Galanthus x valentinei subsp. valentinei

(https://i.imgur.com/ONaSBkR.jpg)
Galanthus nivalis 'Veliki Progasti'

(https://i.imgur.com/jRcgPno.jpg)
Galanthus nivalis 'Bunch'
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Mike Ireland on February 26, 2022, 08:11:31 PM
Thanks Alan.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Villu on February 28, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
No matter the deep winter and a lot of snow on fields, we have a few clear patches in the garden and some first snowdrops are emerging on them. Also, some in the snow! :-\ We have snowdrops in Estonia, yay!

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'John Gray' is always early. This year however melted out already in bloom!

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'Magnet' is also pushing through the snow

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'S. Arnott' is surprisingly advanced

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Seedlings of Galanthus elwesii are early as normal

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Galanthus nivalis 'Flore Pleno' is well advanced in sunny patch today, on Feb 28th.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Akke on February 28, 2022, 08:56:34 PM
Villu

Beautiful pictures, espacially brave ‘John Gray’  and ‘Magnet’ not bothered by snow.

Stefan

Good idea, changed my avatar too.

Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Leena on March 08, 2022, 10:15:57 AM
Villu, so nice to see that you have already snowdrops in full flower. :)
Here there is mostly snow up to my knees, so no hope in seeing snowdrops soon. :(
Many times also here snowdrops come through snow and flower even within snow, but this year I think they might be late anyway, because in December we had such cold temperatures and no snow, and so ground is frozen deeper this year than normal. In spite of the amount of snow we got  in February.

Leena
The third picture the same plant as picture three, 16th of January, this one was taken Feb 13.

Akke, I'm sorry I don't know. Maybe Alan B or someone else who knows more snowdrops can tell what it is. :(
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Akke on March 08, 2022, 07:38:54 PM
Leena

Thanks. They could all very well be Galanthus Elwesii seeding around for a long time. I hope you get some snowdrops soon.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Villu on March 11, 2022, 11:31:07 AM
Villu, so nice to see that you have already snowdrops in full flower. :)
Here there is mostly snow up to my knees, so no hope in seeing snowdrops soon. :(
Many times also here snowdrops come through snow and flower even within the snow, but this year I think they might be late anyway, because in December we had such cold temperatures and no snow, and so ground is frozen deeper this year than normal. In spite of the amount of snow, we got in February.
Leena, we had exactly the opposite! Snow came early in December and covered deeply unfrozen land. So I think that might be the reason, why snowdrops are early this year and started to bloom in deep snow. Some are still completely covered. Lucky for them, as we had very cold day and night temperatures this week. I even put some covers for protection.
Title: Re: Galanthus Feb 22
Post by: Leena on March 13, 2022, 05:28:22 PM
Leena, we had exactly the opposite! Snow came early in December and covered deeply unfrozen land. So I think that might be the reason, why snowdrops are early this year and started to bloom in deep snow. Some are still completely covered.

That is also my experience that if the ground is unfrozen (like it has been some years also here) and there are still snow, then many snowdrops start to grow inside the snow, some are fully flowering when snow finally starts to melt. I have damaged flowers when trying to shovel the snow away (too eager to wait for it to melt naturally  :-[).
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