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Title: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerard Oud on December 26, 2007, 01:33:44 PM
I think this will be the first Galanthus nivalis that will start flowering this winter, i have not forced it or whatever its growing outside and its definitly a nivalis.
Beste wishes for everyone and a good  and healthy 2008, for body and garden.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: mark smyth on December 31, 2007, 10:04:13 PM
I'm always telling people if they grow snowdrops they should keep some G. nivalis also
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: rob krejzl on December 31, 2007, 10:23:04 PM
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I'm always telling people if they grow snowdrops they should keep some G. nivalis also

You mean they're no 'drops?
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: loes on January 03, 2008, 03:15:27 PM
my nivalis is flowering for about a week now,in the greenhouse and also in the garden.it`s not the normal one,that is way behind.this is an very early selection.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerard Oud on January 03, 2008, 04:34:08 PM
Show us a photograph that you are telling the truth Loes.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: loes on January 03, 2008, 04:52:13 PM
it`s on my camera Gerard.Silly me,I don`t know how to place a photograph  :-[

and that`s a shame because I am a technician but computers and stuff...

my dear husband came home...
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: mark smyth on January 03, 2008, 05:05:03 PM
yes Rob. Everyone who is in to snowdrops, and I suppose any other bulb, should also grow the species. These can be looked at to see how their flowers and leaves affect the hybrids.

I bought some elwesii monostitctus from Ebay last year and asked for them to be left in the ground until the leaves were past their best. The description was very 'blue' leaves. They cost £1 each. They are very good and have an excellent bloom, as in dusting, on them. On the other hand I bought some 'Augustus' that were extremely virused. They went in the bin and I got my money back

If you are buying snowdrops on Ebay I recommend the following two - ombersleyplants and _ _ _ if only I can remember her name. She also sell Geraniums especially G. phaeums
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: mark smyth on January 03, 2008, 05:05:39 PM
place a photo on here or edit it? I'll edit it and post it for you
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Anthony Darby on January 03, 2008, 08:35:58 PM
I have three snow drops flowering today: peshmenii is still out, having opened a couple of weeks before Christmas. I also have G. reginae-olgae 'Tilebarn Jamie' just coming out and in the next but one pot 'Robin Hood'!
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 03, 2008, 10:39:35 PM
It's amazing the difference in flowering times...Tilebarn Jamie is now over and peshmenni is about to flower!
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Andrew on January 09, 2008, 05:17:47 PM
It's amazing the difference in flowering times...Tilebarn Jamie is now over and peshmenni is about to flower!

What have you been doing to your peshmenni Brian ? As we are not that far apart, mine must have flowered a month ago and has a large seed pot on it now.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: ArneM on January 09, 2008, 08:09:03 PM
Here they started flowering one week ago. Some are very short in stature this year. Maybe I will post a picture the next days.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: mark smyth on January 09, 2008, 08:34:10 PM
My G. peshmenii are finished a couple of months
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerard Oud on January 19, 2008, 11:30:30 AM
This is what i have never seen before. I chipped one of my selections last summer and now they are already some getting in flow from a chippie!
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: mark smyth on January 19, 2008, 11:34:40 AM
Gerard your pots look too wet and I would worry about rot kills the roots
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerard Oud on January 19, 2008, 12:12:24 PM
I has been raining for a while here so it looks wet, but they are planted in peatmoss so that is no problem, what we need now is a bit frost and not so much rain.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Maggi Young on January 19, 2008, 08:36:32 PM
Flowers from chips in less than a year is fantastic! Did you feed the young ones much? And if so, what did you feed them with, please?
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Martin Baxendale on January 19, 2008, 08:55:25 PM
Gerard, did you check if the flowers are coming from the new bulbs or from the remains of the old bulb chip? I had this phenomenon one year and Ian Young (I think it was) said the embryonic flower had most likely formed in the old bulb and sprouted alongside the new bulbil from the chip.

You could poke away some compost to check.

I wonder if the new small bulbs formed in the bags last Summer would have been able to form a flower bud while needing their energy to make the new bulb scales? 
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Paddy Tobin on January 19, 2008, 08:58:22 PM
Gerard,

That is an extraordinary success with a chipped bulb. Could you describe what treatment you gave them to bring them on so quickly. No doubt you didn't put the chipped bulbs straight into peat. What did you start them off in? When did you move them on etc?

Paddy
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: mark smyth on January 19, 2008, 09:43:33 PM
If only Janet, Judy's, would come in for a quick chat on this subject
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerard Oud on January 20, 2008, 09:22:38 AM
When i chip the bulbs around July i take the biggest ones from a species, they have proven to be best growers. I try to cut them in as much pieces as possible (vertically) and after a fungicide treatment i put them in perlite.
 Then they stay in a separate room with a constant temperature of 24 'celsius, then after a 6 to 8 weeks you can see the new bulbils grown on the old chips.
I use the fertilised peat you can buy in gardencentre to plant them in.
I know that when you chip a bulb, there is a reaction starting, lets say its a reaction to survive. They start growing very fast. And about the early flowering Martin, i think its the one that got the biggest part of the the bulbbottom where stadium G develops.
When you chip them in July there is no stadium G visible, i think its visible round the end of August.
But i will have a look inside the pots to be sure.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerdk on January 20, 2008, 11:22:18 AM
Then they stay in a separate room with a constant temperature of 24 'celsius, then after a 6 to 8 weeks you can see the new bulbils grown on the old chips.

Gerard,
Do you mean a separate room or a container similar to a fridge (with the opposite effect of course)? I am looking for something which can be used for a small amount of bulbs/chips.

Gerd
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Martin Baxendale on January 20, 2008, 12:42:18 PM
And about the early flowering Martin, i think its the one that got the biggest part of the the bulbbottom where stadium G develops.
When you chip them in July there is no stadium G visible, i think its visible round the end of August.
But i will have a look inside the pots to be sure.

Sounds like the flower will be coming from the old chip then.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Maggi Young on January 20, 2008, 02:09:51 PM
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Do you mean a separate room or a container similar to a fridge (with the opposite effect of course)? I am looking for something which can be used for a small amount of bulbs/chips.
Gerd, we put the chips in a plastic/poly bag with perlite and keep them in a cupboard, next to the hot water tank of the house... nice and dark and warm.. they like it!
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 20, 2008, 03:27:06 PM
Gerd I have put them in a propagator and kept that covered.  I didn't want them to get too warm so pleated a newspaper and put that in the bottom to keep them above the cables.  It seemed to work well.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerard Oud on January 20, 2008, 08:32:33 PM
Gerd,
I put in a special cel were we grow the microprops of the lillies in tubes, it has a constant temperature all the time.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerard Oud on January 23, 2008, 06:32:59 PM
Martin,

They came out of the old bulbchip, but still remarkable. I do cut them in 6 to 8 pieces and the flower still survives, i must say this is a very good growing selection of "Maximus".
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerdk on January 25, 2008, 11:05:18 AM
Maggi,Brian & Gerard,

Sorry, I wasn't able to reply until today because my computer had a breakdown (me too).
Thank you alltogether for your kind replies. Our heating system has no hot water tank, so I'll either use soil heating cables or I'll build a small cell in which I can control the temperature.

Gerd
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Maggi Young on January 25, 2008, 02:53:29 PM
So glad your computer is mended, Gerd, and to see your flowers again on the Forum :)
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerard Oud on March 02, 2008, 10:50:58 AM
Instead of the first flowering, this must be the last flowering.
Some special florepleno and a view of my secret snowdrop forrest were i found the poculoform florepleno and some florepleno that are looking up like tulips. The last picture is from a hybrid i call White madness because it shows a extra petal above the ovary and a extra flower from the spathe.
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Brian Ellis on March 02, 2008, 11:05:25 AM
Lovely pictures Gerard, and what a wonderful woodland.  I am green with envy :-\
Title: Re: The first Galanthus nivalis starting flowering?
Post by: Gerard Oud on March 02, 2008, 12:13:37 PM
You don't have to be envy Brian, if you come to Holland next year around february, we can have a look together. Maybe some other forummember's too?
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