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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: mark smyth on October 21, 2009, 06:46:01 PM
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In the Crocus pages there are photos where people ask for a name or confirmation of a name. These quickly get lost as more photos are added or the main Croconuts don't check in every day.
Add them here.
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Confirmatuon of names please.
Crocus laevigatus.
Crocus nudiflorus
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Michael, laevigatus is correct but I'm not sure about nudiflorus
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This is what I have growing as Crocus asumaniae. Any ideas if this is correct?
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It looks like tournefortii to be. Tony, Thomas or Janis can confirm it
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Simon - C. tournefortii. A unhybridised form by the look of it.
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Already this new crocus page is worthwhile and doing what was intended. :)
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Is this Crocus cartwrightianus? I've had it a long time completely neglected in a pot but have ben repotting more regularly and it is flowering again. It does not look like cartwrightianus posted by other forum members. The leaves are very narrow with a conspicuous white stripe.
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Lesley this was brought on by what I said amateur Croconuts not getting answers elsewhere. It's happened to me many times.
Roma I'm sure someone will have a positive ID. They styles on your plants dont look big enough for cartwrightianus. I'll bet someone asks what the corms look like
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Thanks, Mark and Gerry. The flower is much bigger than my other C.tournefortii, which are all from the same corm from 1 source. So it must have arrived wrongly labelled. Good to know what it is though. :)
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Is this Crocus cartwrightianus? I've had it a long time completely neglected in a pot but have ben repotting more regularly and it is flowering again. It does not look like cartwrightianus posted by other forum members. The leaves are very narrow with a conspicuous white stripe.
Roma - not too easy to say from your photo - a closer view would have been useful. I'll hazard a guess at C. hadriaticus, the pure white form, originally described from Mt Parnassos but now known to occur elsewhere.
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Is this Crocus cartwrightianus? I've had it a long time completely neglected in a pot but have ben repotting more regularly and it is flowering again. It does not look like cartwrightianus posted by other forum members. The leaves are very narrow with a conspicuous white stripe.
Hi Roma. Gerry could well be right. I have a crocus which came (from Kath Dryden) which is labelled 'cartwrightianus albus?' Coming from such an esteemed stable the name was not questioned until Brian M described the pure white variant of Crocus hadriaticus as ssp parnassicus. Like the plants you have pictured mine produce the odd 'ragged' petal. If the flowers close up at night and in dull weather it is most likely a form of C hadriaticus, if they stay open - C cartwrightianus.
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Confirmatuon of names please.
Crocus laevigatus.
Crocus nudiflorus
Yes to the laevigatus.
Very likely yes to the nudiflorus. If there are no leaves at flowering this increases the 'yes'. If there are stolons developing around the parent corm then a definite yes. (You can wait and check for small new croms at repotting if you don't want to disturb the roots.) It could be a form of C serotinus but I would say most likely it is as labelled.
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Very likely yes to the nudiflorus. If there are no leaves at flowering this increases the 'yes'.
Tony,it does have leaves.
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Very likely yes to the nudiflorus. If there are no leaves at flowering this increases the 'yes'.
Tony,it does have leaves.
long leaves now = serotinus
leaves just visible 50/50 serotinus or nudiflorus
show us the whole plant and it might be clearer
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Michael showed another photo of the same Crocus with slight feathering on the outers
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Michael, I received the same plant as nudiflorus last year, when it flowered without the leaves (perhaps due to late planting).
This year the leaves are present at flowering time which makes it to serotinus. But there are still the remarkable blackish anthers.
Roma, I'm with Gerry and Tony about your cartwrightianus, looks more like hadriaticus. The style is much too small for cartwrightianus.
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ong leaves now = serotinus
leaves just visible 50/50 serotinus or nudiflorus
show us the whole plant and it might be clearer
Tony,here is a pic of the plant,sorry about the focus bit it was getting dark and it was taken in a hurry.
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Thanks Gerry, Tony and Thomas. The size of the style made me suspicious. It definitely closes in dull weather like we've had for the last few days. I willchange my label.
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ong leaves now = serotinus
leaves just visible 50/50 serotinus or nudiflorus
show us the whole plant and it might be clearer
Tony,here is a pic of the plant,sorry about the focus bit it was getting dark and it was taken in a hurry.
My earlier optimism that it is C nudiflorus was misplaced :-[ This never has (long) leaves at flowering time.
The dark tube below the flower is unusual but I suppose this is Crocus serotinus .... unless anyone else has a better idea.
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Hi,
My name is Mark. I am new to your group and from New Jersey USA. Great Group by the way....
I am seeking and ID of this crocus that was sold to me by an on line company with BLOOMING in the web address.
I had ordered Saffron Crocus C. Sativus . The bag states it is from Holland and Saffron crocus.
However this does not appear to be. BTW I ordered last year and they never came up, well one long leaf and that was that and they never came back. So BloomingB sent more.
I got them in Sept. and they are now flowering but so far no leaves.
While pretty, I was hoping for Saffron stigmas.
Can you guys ID this from my photos?
Each stalk with flower is averaging 8" , yellow center, tree like stigma.
Thanks
Side question, I see many photos of other crocus with 3 crimson stigmas. Is C. Sativus the only crocus that produces saffron?
Do I have saffron?
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Hi Mark - Welcome!
You have Crocus speciosus not Crocus sativus. Not a bad deal as both have roughly the same commercial value and I would say that Crocus speciosus produces flowers more reliably under garden conditions. (Can also produce seed for increase which C sativus does not.) You have shown a flower with extra petals, this sometimes happens due to less than perfect conditions during bulb storage, no harm from this though and plant will revert to normal next year.
Sounds like you might have had C sativus last year - that long leaf. This one should have shorter and broader leaves ... and he is more likely to come back!
Saffron? - Well it is said that you can use the style branches of many crocus in the same way as Crocus sativus but I have not tried this with Crocus speciosus. It won't hurt to give it a try.
Good luck - let us know how it goes ... and how it grows :)
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Hello, Mark, good to have you join us.
This is a photo of Crocus sativus, the saffron crocus of commerce.... a form derived from Crocus cartwrightianus. You will see the form of the red style branches that give the saffron spice.
Click the pic to enlarge it....
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Hi
Thank you guys for the fast response.
The photo above is what I ordered as well as by name and what I expected but got what I have shown.
My desire was for the saffron so I am disappointed in that respect and two years in a row, I guess I can not trust this company. I also assume they know little of this based on earlier responses to my questions of why mine looked different. I suspect they do not sell many to people who want it for the spice.
So if they sent in September, why don't I have leaves? Are there issues with the plant getting food for the corm next year if I do not have plants this year?
Is Meadow Saffron they only toxic crocus? Since this is not C. Sativus, are all but Meadow safe to try? SInce I had a window closing, in their life I ahve been plucking and now figure maybe this work was a waste.
BTW isn' there more than one typ of Crocus speciosus ? What one if so is this?
I think there might be one coming up with leaves. I will post when it comes up.
Thanks again for all your help.
PS I love the look of the extra petals so for now I would not say the storage was less than perfect :)
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Hi Mark
Leaves. Some autumn flowering bulbs do not have leaves at the time of flowering. In some cases this may be because in the wild flowering is followed quickly by snow cover or frost. Pollination achieved by autumn insects (perhaps autumn, at the end of a warm summer, is peak insect time,) the leaves and developing seed pod stay underground, away from the harsh conditions until spring. In gardens these plants may produce leaves in autumn/winter as conditions are less severe than in the wild. Crocus speciosus is leafless at flowering while Crocus sativus which is derived from plants with a relatively lowland, mediterranean habitat have leaves at flowering time. In the wild these plants do not get prolonged snow cover and do most of their growing during what we in the North (or far South) call Winter.
Meadow saffron? I assume you refer to Colchicum autumnale (pink, leafless flowers - take a look at the Colchicum thread on the forum for lots of variations.) Colchicum, often referred to as 'Autumn Crocus' are not actually crocus at all! They do contain colchicine which is the toxic element you refer to. True crocus, while not very palatable to humans, are not toxic .... and are often devoured by rodents :'(
Yes, there are many named forms of Crocus speciosus but it takes a better man than I to decide which is which. If the suppliers can muddle two very different species of crocus (with quite different corms) imagine what they do to the very simialar forms of one species :P
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Mark's experience with his first C. sativus, from a dutch company, is the same as mine. A few spindly leaves - then bye,bye.
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My earlier optimism that it is C nudiflorus was misplaced This never has (long) leaves at flowering time.
The dark tube below the flower is unusual but I suppose this is Crocus serotinus .... unless anyone else has a better idea.
Thanks Tony, I will label it Serotinus.
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Is this laevigatus or biflorus?
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Is this laevigatus or biflorus?
C. laevigatus has white or creamy-white anthers.
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Thanks. It was bought as biflorus melantherus a couple of years ago and this is the first time flowering from what I remember. The petals are very puckered.
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Anyone know this Crocus? It looks like a pale sieberi tricolor. I have borrowed the image from Jim Almonds web site
http://freespace.virgin.net/almond.jim/ (http://freespace.virgin.net/almond.jim/)
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Like a version of sieberi sublimis tricolor but creamy where it is white. It looks utterly delicious, whatever it is Mark.
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Delish and I want it ::)
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Not quite the striking contrast of the tricolor, but very nice. My seeds from the tricolor I harvested this season are suddenly looking more interesting? ;D
Given I had a few sieberi out at the same time (although most were the other side of the crocus garden), it will be interesting to see whether there is anything different in there. :D
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Anyone know this Crocus? It looks like a pale sieberi tricolor. I have borrowed the image from Jim Almonds web site
http://freespace.virgin.net/almond.jim/ (http://freespace.virgin.net/almond.jim/)
Mark, It is sieberi tricolor, but commercial "joke" - you can met such pictures in most large catalogues (blue and red daffodils etc., etc.)
Janis
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Janis this photo was taken at an alpine show in England
I agree some web sites and catalogues show photos that have been doctored
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The first clone of C sieberi Tricolor that I obtained has a tendancy to look paler on the inside as the flowers age. As this is a show pic it may well be a pot that was 'put on
cold hold' for the big day. Also likely to have been under artificial lights which can distort colours a bit ... although I don't thikn it is that far off.
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I have emailed Jim but no reply so far
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I'm excited right now. I've just been in the green house and find there is a yellow flower with orange bases coming up in on of my laevigatus pots. Is there a yellow laevigatus. Would an albino be white?
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Here it is. I'll try for better photos tomorrow
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Brian Mathew mentions a cream laevigatus in his book. I dont collect seeds so could a yellow seedling come from normal parents? Genetics would suggest both parents would need to carry the recessive gene. If Crocus follow similar genetics to birds.
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There are (at least) a couple of clones of Crocus laevigatus with yellow outers in cultivation. I suspect there are many many more in the wild :)
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Thanks Tony.
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Yours Mark, looks just like one I had from Marcus Harvey as "gold-backed" laevigatus. I thought "gold" was a bit optomistic, but it is very pretty never-the-less.
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Lesley has your one gone to Crocus heaven?
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No, I don't think so Mark. It should be there still. My crocuses are well on the way to dying down now. I didn't take a picture as it was chewed when it first came out. There were a couple of better flowers later but I still didn't get to take them. I'll try to do better next year. I'm pretty sure it was much the same as yours though there could have been a couple of tiny, thin black lines at the base. Not sure now.
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There are (at least) a couple of clones of Crocus laevigatus with yellow outers in cultivation. I suspect there are many many more in the wild :)
Quite often yellow fades with blooming to white. I have yellowish biflorus melantherus but at culmination of blooming it becomes white.
Janis
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There were very nice yellow C.laevigatus pictures Nov. 2008, reply 42, page 3.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2639.msg61076#msg61076 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2639.msg61076#msg61076)
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Yes, Armin, so there were... those wonderful pictures sent from Jim Kee..... I had forgotten :-[
Yellow throat, some yellow on the outter and those incredible frilly branched styles. 8)
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WOW! Thanks for reminding us. Mine doesnt have frilly bits.
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WOW! Thanks for reminding us. Mine doesnt have frilly bits.
WOW is the word...... I can't believe I had forgotten about those stunners from Jim in Delaware.... they are just great, aren't they?
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Hello everyone! :)
I'm grateful to the person who directed me to your interesting site and I would very much appreciate some help in identifying my Crocus speciosums.
Beginning of September I have planted 4 different types of Autumn Crocus speciosum:
- C.speciosum 'Conquerer'
- C.speciosum 'Artabir'
- C.speciosum 'Cassiope'
- C. speciosum 'Aitchinsonii'
As I'm really limited in space I've planted them randomly here and there between other plants in containers and in the garden. Unfortunately I didn't put any labels, thinking I would recognize them once they bloom. But its more difficult than I thought! :-\
Images on the web are often confusing but perhaps someone here knows more about them..I would appreciate very much any input! :)
1. This one I think could be C.speciosum 'Aitchinsonii' ?
2. Also 'Aitchinsonii' ?
3. Perhaps 'Artabir' ?
4. 'Cassiope' ?
5. 'Conquerer' maybe ?
6. This one I really don't know..
7. Have no clue either of this one..
Edit by Maggi : images re-posted further down the page,: some problems with the loading sytem showing them here :'(
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Hi, Bonitin,
Great to have you join us.
I know how you feel about telling Crocus cultivars apart.... not always easy.... luckily we have lots of Crocus Enthusiasts around here who I am sure will be able to help you! :)
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Hello everyone! :)
I'm grateful to the person who directed me to your interesting site and I would very much appreciate some help in identifying my Crocus speciosums.
May be Artabir is correct.
Janis
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Thanks Maggi for your welcome! :)
Janis thanks for having a look! I guess the strong veining is one of the features that distinguishes 'Artabir' ?
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No pictures are appearing for me. :(
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Lesley, the pix are loaded from a hosting site, so that is likely the problem... here they are again.... click the pix to enlarge.....
Bonitin's photos from post #51, above....
1. This one I think could be C.speciosum 'Aitchinsonii' ?
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2. Also 'Aitchinsonii' ?
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3. Perhaps 'Artabir' ?
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4. 'Cassiope' ?
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5. 'Conquerer' maybe ?
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6. This one I really don't know..
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7. Have no clue either of this one..
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Dear Bonitin,
welcome to the forum. Honestly spoken your request is a quite difficult task especial for C. speciosus cultivars.
The difficulties arise from several facts:
- speciosus is very variable and hybridizes i.e easily with C. pulchellus
- there are some old cultivars with quite vague discriptions how a the true cultivar should look like
- no (good) reference pictures
- crocus flowers have high contrast/strong veines at the beginning and fade over time
- color differences between cultivars quite often are marginal
- commercial fields are mixed up (hybridized)
Examples of KAVB (Koninklijke Algemeene Vereeniging voor Bloembollencultuur) descriptions of :
'Aitchinsonii': Flowers lavender violet, very large (since 1891).
'Artabir': Flowers light blue with dark veins, selected from Caucasian forms of speciosus.(Tubergen registered 31.12.1896)
'Cassiope': Flowers large, aniline blue with yellow base, late autumn flowering.(Tubergen)
'Conquerer': Flowers very large, deep sky blue.
'Oxonian': Flowers large, deep violet-blue (HCC 37/2) with prominent and even darker coloured veins, whole tube deep purple, throat white.(Barrs&Son, Awards A.M.-B.C. 1945 )
'Pollux': Flowers large, light violet, outside silvery.(Tubergen Awards A.M.-B.C. 1938)
My best guess is:
2: 'Aitchinsonii'
3: 'Artabir'
5: 'Cassiope' (maybe)
for the others they are lovely speciosus
Here a selection of my own C. speciosus variations
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A very brave effort Armin !! ;)
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Bonitin, I would be happy to help you with identification, but I can't and I dare if anybody else can.
Apart from Armin's thoughts you have to consider the following:
Especially the speciosus cultivars habe been muddled since they appeard in cultivation (100 years
and more!!) and it is hard - if not impossible - to find reliable sources for true pictures or plants.
So even if you have plants bought 30 years ago, when the cultivar world was (probably) OK,
there were still more than 50 years of cultivation and no one can guaranty that the plants
are identical to the original clone.
My tipp: Enjoy the plants just like they are, perhaps select your own good forms and try to
increase them. My own expieriences with speciosus cultivars are that even if you buy a named form
you will have a mix-up of different plants. The best are now growing separately in my garden.
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Did my very best, Luc. :D
Thomas,
thanks for the additional comments and for the straight tip. ;)
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I completely agree with Thomas. I well remember how difficult it was for me to found the correct names of cultivars when I worked (40 years ago) on my first monograph on crocuses (published in 1981, in Latvian). Fortunately then still existed Van Tubergen nursery, which raised and grew most of those C. speciosus cultivars and they were more or less (more to more correct side) correctly named in this nursery. Now situation is much more difficult. Even if grower growth clean and correctly named stock, you can't to know how label could be changed by seller for comercial reasons. For seller lilac is lilac, and if he is short in Artabir, he could replace it with aitchisonii without remorse and noting you. Really I know only 3 cv which I can name without great problems - Artabir (largest flowers distinctly striped), Oxonian (purple tube) and Albus (no comments needed, although Brian Mathew in his monograph list another one white cv., too but I never found it on nursery lists).
Janis
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Wise words, from Armin and Thomas. They point up so many problems with many crocuses (and Galanthus) and while we in the southern hemisphere may have many fewer forms of different species, I suspect we also miss out on the angst and puzzlement that many in the north experience as they try to identify and isolate each tiny variation. In the finish, it really does come down to enjoying what we have and not losing sleep over whether it is this, that or the other cultivar of a well-known species.
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Thank you all for the warm welcome and your time! :)
WOW Armin! your collection is stunningly beautiful, great pictures too!
They all have subtle variations what makes them even more enchanting!
Yes, you're all right ;) I shouldn'd worry about names and enjoy them like they are, I somehow knew it would be a mission impossible, ::) even if I had put the lables I'm sure they would still show variety in the same group...
Your help and time have been very appriciated! Thank jou! :)
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Welcome, Bonitin. 8)
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Thanks Paul! :)
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Hi.
This crocus species is from Turkey, Middle Anatolia, Karaman province.
I check all the yellow crocus but I couldn't match any of them.
What do you think about it.
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Hello Ozgur,
this is Crocus danfordiae.
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Thank you very much.
It is so good to learn what it is.
My best regards.
Ozgur Kocak
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Hi.
This crocus species is from Turkey, Middle Anatolia, Karaman province.
I check all the yellow crocus but I couldn't match any of them.
What do you think about it.
Yes, it is danfordiae.
Janis
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Than I want to ask some more crocus species :)
These are also from Karaman province... One of them is Colchicum...
And a bonus: Fritillaria pinardii.
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1 Maybe C flavus
1a Maybe C chrysanthus
2 & 4 C biflorus - others will know which ssp
3 C pallasii
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Hi Özgür,
It is very nice to see more crocuses from your location!
This time I agree with Tony.
1 C. flavus subsp. flavus (very short mostly yellow style)
1a C. chrysanthus (should have 3 red style)
2 C. biflorus subsp. tauri (without evident markings on outer petals)
2a C. biflorus subsp. tauri
3 C. pallasii subsp. pallasii
4 C. biflorus subsp. isauricus
5-6 Colchicum triphyllum (a small sipring flowering colchicum always with 3 leaves)
And the Fritillaria is right.
Is it posible to post one picture more from top view of first yellow one? because ıt does not seems to occur
in your region!
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Hi Özgür,
This time I agree with Tony.
1 C. flavus subsp. flavus (very short mostly yellow style)
1a C. chrysanthus (should have 3 red style)
2 C. biflorus subsp. tauri (without evident markings on outer petals)
2a C. biflorus subsp. tauri
3 C. pallasii subsp. pallasii
4 C. biflorus subsp. isauricus
5-6 Colchicum triphyllum (a small sipring flowering colchicum always with 3 leaves)
And the Fritillaria is right.
I agree with Ibrahim, only in picture # 1 my eyes don't show stigma and its branching, so may be subsp. dissectus, was my first opinion.
1-a - may be, 2a = may be, too
Others without doubt.
In attachment Colchicum triphyllum pictures.
Janis
Colchicum triphyllum -01.JPG
Colchicum triphyllum (falcifolium) Kazim-Kazbekir-2.JPG
Colchicum triphyllum Alhynala-1.jpg
Colchicum triphyllum BATM-350 -1.JPG
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Hi İbrahim..
I coudnt take a top view picture of the first yelow crocus. But this is in the same places. Near 1 or 2 meter of the first photo. I hope ıt wil be helpfull.. The location of it is Karaman - Ermenek - Balkusan. Elevation 1800 m. 21 April.
Thanks.
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I find an other picture. I am not sure this is the same crocus... The light seem it so different...
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Özgür,
In this case I can not call them C. flavus specialy on your last frame. The second thing, C. flavus is not registered in Taurus mountains and in your province too!. In nort part of central Taurus, there is C. chrysanthus and the second yellow crocus is C. sieheanus but it is hard to tell from pictures because the difference is in the corms.
I want to know that your biflorus (which I said C. biflorus tauri) is taken in Karaman, maybe in Antalya or Ankara!! Because Janis is in doubt and He might be reason! But I am sure that in your province there is C . biflorus subsp. tauri recorded.
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Hi İbrahim.
The photos which you say C. biflorus tauri is from Karaman-Sarıveliler Elevation is 1600 m.
C. biflorus isauricus is from Antalya-Konya road ~30 km to Manavgat. Near road.
C. pallasii is from the center of Karaman. A volcanic mountain called Karadag. Photos taken elevation is 1800-1900 m. October-december...
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Can someone ID these two for me please.
The second one was grown from seed as sieberi sublimis.
A pic of the leaves
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The yellow one loks like C flavus and the sieberi might be correct but the uniform pale colour suggests perhaps ssp atticus.
BTW your vernus 'heuffelianus' in the main Crocus thread did not appear to have the dark tips I would have expected.
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BTW your vernus 'heuffelianus' in the main Crocus thread did not appear to have the dark tips I would have expected.
Thanks Tony, I am not surprised about the vernus 'heuffelianus' knowing the source it came from. Not my usual supplier
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A new one from Turkey-Karaman.
Is it Crocus cancellatus?
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Michael,
I concur with Tony. If the size is ~half of the Dutch vernus hybrids it resembles a form of C. vernus ssp. vernus or cv. Yalta (vernus x tommasinianus).
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Ozgur,
it looks like a C. cancellatus too me. But I'm not confident in the ssp. mazziaricus or ssp. cancellatus. Ibrahim may know the local distribution.
When did you take the picture?
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Picture was taken 09 November 2008.
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Ozgur,
thanks. Your cancellatus has a nicely branched red style, really beautiful.
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Yes Armin you are right. This is C. cancellatus subsp. mazziaricus. If you remenber last autumn Janis also post some supsp. mazziaricus from nort of Silifke. These both locations are very close to eachother.
It does not seems very clear but Özgür's crocus has bracteole visible. So it is right mazziaricus.
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Ibrahim,
many thanks for your help. I was not sure about bracteole. ;)
Yes, I remember the great photos from Janis.
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Today we go to Karadag. A Volcanic mountain in the middle of the Karaman plain.
We see a lot of Galanthus elwesii, two Crocus sp. and a Colchicum...
I think that the second one (k2-k2) is C. biflorus isauricus? But what about the first one.
The third one (k3-K3A) is a pink Colchicum But I think that it seems different with Colchicum triphyllum that I post before.
Thanks for your comments.
All they are in the same location. Elevation is 1550 m.
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Özgür,
wow! :o 8) realy exquisite crocus and colchicum. Unfortunately I'm not able to identify them.
They all look C. biflorus but which ssp. ? Maybe also natural hybrids. But all very lovely.
Picture K2a resembles C. biflorus ssp. stridii but distribution is NO of Greece.
I don't know it growths in NW Turkey too.
Do you have more pictures showing them from the top?
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A different individual. But I think the same species.
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Özgür,
very beautiful but it is different to the forms of spp. striidi I have as my references. It looks it is a pure white one?
Sorry, no clear idea.
Ibrahim may know better or one of the croconut specialists knowing locality.
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Özgür, wonderful pictures you just keep on posting, there are a lots of croconuts here who will amire your pictures from wild.
k1 - C. danfordiae white form
k1a C. danfordiae White form (if it has yellow anthers and if the size is like yellow C. danfordiae! )
The rest are C. biflorus subsp. tauri and pink form of Colchicum triphyllum.
I would like to post a picture which is not clear but ıt shows very nice the variation of C. biflorus subsp. tauri (picture send me by friend)
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Moved over from page one of Crocus and companion plants in the open garden thread, is the following series of Crocus photos. I received this plant a number of years ago as C. biflorus pulchricolor, and apparently this is a misidentification. A member suggested this might in fact be C. kosaninii. Can anyone confirm this ID. Thank you.
{{Edit by maggi: check these posts for other ID queries in that thread:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4929.msg133551#msg133551
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4929.msg133573#msg133573 }}
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Mark - I think that it could well be C kosaninii. Usually quite small, few leaves, late flowering here and very easy to tell from C biflorus by the corm tunic which is fibrous rather than the papery annulate (rings at the base) tunic of C biflorus.
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Mark - I think that it could well be C kosaninii. Usually quite small, few leaves, late flowering here and very easy to tell from C biflorus by the corm tunic which is fibrous rather than the papery annulate (rings at the base) tunic of C biflorus.
Thanks Tony. As soon as spring arrives and the ground thaws, I'll check out the tunics. My plants are not late flowering here per se, Crocus season is quite condensed and most species flower within days of one another, Based on the late March photo dates, it flowers early to mid crocus season for me, where the first week of April is the main crocus flush.
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My C. kosaninii flowers as early as late August (February) or as late as October (April). Not sure what makes the difference year to year, perhaps dryness in the early part of the late years, if you see what I mean.
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My C. kosaninii flowers as early as late August (February) or as late as October (April). Not sure what makes the difference year to year, perhaps dryness in the early part of the late years, if you see what I mean.
Lesley, a splendid grouping of flowers there, crisp photograph. It looks much like my crocus in the overhead view, I'm happy to know the true identity of my misidentified Crocus. Interesting that you get such a broad range of possible flowering times. On mine there is almost no variation (in all my spring crocus), they pretty much start late March (in a good year) and end by the second week of April (3 week season, that's it).
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Lesley,
a very good photo of C. kosanini. 8)
Does your clone set regular seed?
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Armin, it has set seed, the year before last and I sowed that and have young ones which will probably flower in 2011. It didn't have seed in 2009 as the trough in which it lives became very dry and I even lost a couple of herbaceous things (Phacelia sericea and Gentiana alpina). I'll be sure it has more water at flowering time this year and if there is seed you may like to have it. I can't remember where I got this clone but probably from Marcus Harvey in Tasmania, my principal (only) souce of crocus corms nowadays.
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Mark, once the autumn species have started following some decent rain, (C. pulchellus is always the first), there's really no day when there isn't at least one crocus in flower until late October when C. minimus finishes. It's impossible to say whether some are autumn or winter flowering, and others winter or spring. The main season is late July (always our coldest month) and early August. While some species vary quite a lot in their timing, the order of flowering seems to be pretty much the same each year.
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Lesley,
I'd be very pleased if you have some seed excess. My C. kosanini did set only very few small seeds, not sure they are viable.
I'm still investigating if it is related to the lack of bees and other polinators at flowering time or bad weather conditions or if it is simply a sterile clone.
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Mark, once the autumn species have started following some decent rain, (C. pulchellus is always the first), there's really no day when there isn't at least one crocus in flower until late October when C. minimus finishes. It's impossible to say whether some are autumn or winter flowering, and others winter or spring. The main season is late July (always our coldest month) and early August. While some species vary quite a lot in their timing, the order of flowering seems to be pretty much the same each year.
I'm don't know anything about NZ climate zones, nor know what Z9 equates to, but I have to imagine a fairly mild climate. When I lived near Seattle Washington USA (Pacific Northwest), even though they occassionally had snow and some freezes, it was about 3 zones warmer than my garden in Northeastern USA, and one of the peculiar aspects for me, moving to a milder climate, was that the spring season was drawn out over a period of several months, no big splash, more of a constant trickle... there was never a day, year round, when something wasn't in bloom. And I remember too, the crocus and other bulbous plants would bloom through this long succession of weeks and months depending on species. During the 4 years I lived there, I missed the contracted spring bloom in New England, where everything more or less blooms in just a few weeks in an explosion of flowers April and May.
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I think my Zone 9 equates pretty much to the American Z9. Or rather, when I joined Trillium-L some years ago, I was told that that's what I lived in, Zone 9. The east coast tends to be very dry now and mild especially in winter. I suspect the temps are not unlike those of Seattle in general but we are less wet, in the east anyway. Parts of the west coast of the South Island measure their rainfall in metres rather than millimetres!
And yes, there's very little definable division between any two of the seasons except that in spring there's always a day when you know it's spring. There's a special feeling in the air and no matter what else is to be done, you just HAVE to get into the garden. Of course the next day there could be a howling gale off Antarctica and slashing rain. Autumn has its special day too, when there's a sudden bite in the air even though the day is warm, sunny and entirely beautiful. Our climate is entirely unpredictable.
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Lesley , your Cr. kosaninii seems to be identical to mine ,and together with veluchensis and a late fl. form of minimus is always the last one to flower here in late September .
and as in your garden the main flowering season for the winter flowering ones is in late July -early August .
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Özgür,
wow! :o 8) realy exquisite crocus and colchicum. Unfortunately I'm not able to identify them.
They all look C. biflorus but which ssp. ? Maybe also natural hybrids. But all very lovely.
Picture K2a resembles C. biflorus ssp. stridii but distribution is NO of Greece.
I don't know it growths in NW Turkey too.
Do you have more pictures showing them from the top?
The first isn't stridii - stridii is narrow Greek endemic (see attached picture). I haven't map at my hand at this moment and I don't know where locality is, but the first can be isauricus, too. There are forms of isauricus with stippled back, but there are too little to judge by those pictures only.
Janis
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Janis, it very hard to tell from one sampe specialy sbsp. of biflorus. I have severel pictures from that province and they don't look like isauricus. They don't have regular strips of isauricus! they look more to tauri to me. This subs. tauri has very large distribution from NE. N. E. C. S. until Antalya it is posible to see this subsp. And it has quite large variations as you seen on my picture. The isauricus that Ozgür post was taken also in Antalya. Karaman is a province in south of inner Anatolia.
I will try to attache a page from Van university may help too.
http://vanherbaryum.yyu.edu.tr/flora/famgenustur/ir/cr/ta/index.htm
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Ibrahim,
I used google maps to search for "Karadag" - I thought it is NW of Turkey, not south of inner Anatolia. Thanks.
Janis,
my comment of ssp. stridii referred to only one picture "K2A" (4th picture of reply no. 88,page 6).
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Janis, it very hard to tell from one sampe specialy sbsp. of biflorus. I have severel pictures from that province and they don't look like isauricus. They don't have regular strips of isauricus! they look more to tauri to me. This subs. tauri has very large distribution from NE. N. E. C. S. until Antalya it is posible to see this subsp. And it has quite large variations as you seen on my picture. The isauricus that Ozgür post was taken also in Antalya. Karaman is a province in south of inner Anatolia.
I will try to attache a page from Van university may help too.
http://vanherbaryum.yyu.edu.tr/flora/famgenustur/ir/cr/ta/index.htm
Ibrahim, Many thanks for Van University Crocus taurii page.
Only want inform you that taurii didn't reach Antalya, It is much more eastern species. And I agree, they didn't look as isauricus, but such color type is possible, too. I can't judge about possibility of danfordiae - impossible to judge about size of flower segments.
Janis
To seperate isauricus from punctatus (flowers looks something similar, only fl. segments looks more rounded).
13 -- Filaments 4--7 mm long, anthers 7--11 mm long
subsp. isauricus
13 -- Filaments 2--4 mm long, anthers 11---13 mm long
subsp. punctatus
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Armin, We don't have in Turkey C. biflorus stridii as Janis said it is from NE. GR. and I will post a small map showing Karaman plain.
I agree with you If we dont have location than we have to measure the part of plant. You know C. biflorus puctatus has very limited location in nort of the Antalya but C. danfordia is a common crocus for inner Anatolia. And C. biflorus isauricus is more to Antalya.
I want atache a research from Selcuk university with exactly point for tauri just in the nort of the Antalya. If you remenber Gerd post a unknown picture it is also very close to that point.
Of course might be also everywhere some forms between subsp.!!
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Armin, We don't have in Turkey C. biflorus stridii as Janis said it is from NE. GR. and I will post a small map showing Karaman plain.
I agree with you If we dont have location than we have to measure the part of plant. You know C. biflorus puctatus has very limited location in nort of the Antalya but C. danfordia is a common crocus for inner Anatolia. And C. biflorus isauricus is more to Antalya.
I want atache a research from Selcuk university with exactly point for tauri just in the nort of the Antalya. If you remenber Gerd post a unknown picture it is also very close to that point.
Of course might be also everywhere some forms between subsp.!!
Ibrahim, it's very useful to post the map. I have worked a little bit to help Ozgur identify some Alliums from the same regions, Karaman and Antalya, and had a similar map I was going to upload to that Allium ID thread. Also, if one has access to the Flora of Turkey (I only have a photocopied portion of all the Allium pages, index, and Turkey provence maps), the species are keyed to little maps that show where each species had been found in Turkey, very useful in trying to hone in on a species identification of plants from known areas.
When I have been checking the Van University pages on Allium, I do think some of the identifications are suspect, and at least in a couple cases clearly are not correct... the photos not matching the species descriptions on the same page. Not sure about the accuracy of the Crocus pages, only have looked critically at the Allium pages there.
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Mark, I am not onion man! I am a croconut!! We have 175 species of onion. I don't think if there is anybody to identifie all of this correctly. And this list is not updated. I will try to attache below.
http://turkherb.ibu.edu.tr/index.php?sayfa=dizin&cins=Allium
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Ibrahim,
thank you for the map & database link- very interesting. 62 specis for crocus. :)
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Mark, I am not onion man! I am a croconut!! We have 175 species of onion. I don't think if there is anybody to identifie all of this correctly. And this list is not updated. I will try to attache below.
http://turkherb.ibu.edu.tr/index.php?sayfa=dizin&cins=Allium
Ibraham, that is a very useful link.... show all plants species by province (Vilayets), by grid, organized by family, etc. I see that it lists 175 allium species in Turkey, an increase from 141 species listed in Flora of Turkey (1984); I'll have to seak out publications for all the newer described species. Some species will seem missing from the "taxa by Vilayet" sort method, because the database says about some species "data not found at a province level", so maybe this is still a work in progress. Of the 4 Allium that Özgür posted as being found in Karaman, the database only reports 3 Allium species in Karaman, and 2 of those species instantly don't apply to Özgür's species, so I have to assume not all distribution of species is completely recorded. I imagine that database project it is a huge task, and it is immensely useful, I shall be visiting it frequently... thanks for sharing this excellent resource.
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Armin, on mine list with some new record and with my study, it increase to 77. It should be same for Allium too.
Mark you are right when we look by province that list is a little bit short. Then we need to check just next province. I tell you first Karaman is a new province before it was belong Konya!!.
These database helps me lots, plus I add on, all my study in wild and I use lots of picture taken in wild by forumist or photographers from many different webside. In that way I try to have more correct result.
İbrahim
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Armin, We don't have in Turkey C. biflorus stridii as Janis said it is from NE. GR. and I will post a small map showing Karaman plain.
I agree with you If we dont have location than we have to measure the part of plant. You know C. biflorus puctatus has very limited location in nort of the Antalya but C. danfordia is a common crocus for inner Anatolia. And C. biflorus isauricus is more to Antalya.
I want atache a research from Selcuk university with exactly point for tauri just in the nort of the Antalya. If you remenber Gerd post a unknown picture it is also very close to that point.
Of course might be also everywhere some forms between subsp.!!
I'm afraid that those dates are not correct. Nor biflorus taurii, nor C. kotschyanus grow W from C-5 (by map of Flora of Turkey). Of course, Flora of Turkey is something out of date but I nowhere found information about those two growing in direction to West from Icel. On your map quadrants are very large. I'm attaching map used in Flora of Turkey.
Janis
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Janis that was a report from Konya Selcuk University 2006 :-\
I will attache the line (check the page 297)
http://guzelsu.com/htm/tez/185739.pdf
My own C. kotschyanus subsp. kotschyanus is from just NE. of Alanya desstination Sarıveliler (on your map between C3 - C4 collected by me august in a holiday, not in autumn !!!
You know to find a crocus in august. Just you should be too lucky!!
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Janis that was a report from Konya Selcuk University 2006 :-\
I will attache the line (check the page 297)
http://guzelsu.com/htm/tez/185739.pdf
My own C. kotschyanus subsp. kotschyanus is from just NE. of Alanya destination Sarıveliler (on your map between C3 - C4 collected by me august in a holiday, not in autumn !!!
You know to find a crocus in august. Just you should be too lucky!!
Ibrahim, thanks for this link. Although it is in Turkish, I understood part about Crocuses. It a little surprised me. There are not listed very widespread in this part C. cancellatus lycius may be subsp. mazziaricus, too (according your map's C3) Still I think that kotschyanus is something misidentified. Of course, I didn't see specimens. Regarding pallasii dispathaceus I suppose that they are only poor forms of subsp. pallasii. The same opinion expressed B. Mathew about specimens from this district. The width of petals used in key is insufficient for determination. It is subsp. from E Turkey and N. Syria and main feature to separate is short stigmatic branches enclosed by incurved anthers and +/- narrow flower segments. See attached pictures. All subsp. pallasii are from one small locality - give attention to width of flower segments. Even there you can see one specimen with a little inside turned anthers slightly overtopping stigmatic branches but not so impressive as in dispathaceus. Pictures of subsp. dispathaceus are from 2 localities, first in Turkey, another in Syria.
Janis
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Janis, at first your last two pallasii are subsp. turcicus from SE. TR. and fron Syria!! The other are ok.pallasii subsp. pallasii. C. pallasii subsp. dispathaceus is an edndemic to TR. fron inner south Anatolia.
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Janis, at first your last two pallasii are subsp. turcicus from SE. TR. and fron Syria!! The other are ok.pallasii subsp. pallasii. C. pallasii subsp. dispathaceus is an edndemic to TR. fron inner south Anatolia.
The first five all are pictured in one small spot, between ruins of Ariasos, apr. on 1 ha. Dispathaceus is plant from N Syria, too - see Fl. of Turkey, v.8, p.433; B. Mathew. The Crocus, p. 55. and Kerndorf & Pasche publications in AGS Bulletin with photo (vol.64, p.308). They are not subsp. turcicus, regardless of style color. Syrian plant comes from Archibald seeds, Turkish specimen from Gothenburg BG.
Janis
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Janis on that report there were also the the keys for each subsp. but in turkish and they were all correct to me. For example between subsp. pallasii and dispathaceus; the feature is orange style for dispathaceus while subsp. pallasii has red. Here is another very good sample flrom last year.
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Here is my kotschyanus with pointed location on the map. According to my this record, that is not surprise for me to see this plant just one step left. On that report shows GPS recerds too. One thay If I can have chance to visite that area. I can check by myself too.
But my first question was Gerd's crocus from proximitly same location. Doest anybody see any sign of subsp. tauri on it?
Janis I hope you are not tired of me!
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Here is my kotschyanus with pointed location on the map. According to my this record, that is not surprise for me to see this plant just one step left. On that report shows GPS recerds too. One thay If I can have chance to visite that area. I can check by myself too.
But my first question was Gerd's crocus from proximitly same location. Doest anybody see any sign of subsp. tauri on it?
Janis I hope you are not tired of me!
Ibrahim,
Today sun in Belgium!
Herewith a picture of the inside of Crocus biflorus ssp. nubigena. Crocus biflorus subsp. caricus
I hope it will help you.
Best wishes
Hendrik
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Hendrik, This is a süper crocus! that is the thing what I was imagine :)
From new record because the area was right.
This is a C. biflorus subsp. caricus I am sure no doubt. You can change the label.
İbrahim
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Hendrik, This is a süper crocus! that is the thing what I was imagine :)
From new record because the area was right.
This a C. biflorus subsp. caricus I am sure no doubt. You can change the label.
İbrahim
Thank you very much!
Janis will be very happy.
I will change the label.
Hendrik
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Hendrik, This is a süper crocus! that is the thing what I was imagine :)
From new record because the area was right.
This a C. biflorus subsp. caricus I am sure no doubt. You can change the label.
İbrahim
Thank you very much!
Janis will be very happy.
I will change the label.
Hendrik
Greetings, greetings, greetings!!!!
Description of caricus (used publication of Erich Pasche)
Crocus biflorus subsp. caricus Kernd. & Pasche---is a basically white--colored subspecies with purple--striped backs of the flower segments, known from several localities in Caria, south--western Turkey, where it is locally abundant. It is somewhat similar to subsp. crewei, but differs in more numerous, though smaller leaves and distinct bronze--brown blotches in the yellow throat. In some forms the throat at the base is dark red--brown becoming orange and then yellow at the top. The filaments are very long and brown--violet throughout. So it will not be difficult to identify this subspecies. In the wild it grows on both calciferous and non--calciferous formations, where can be found on margins of pine forests, sometimes among or under Castanea sativa. In the wild it grows on both non--calcareous and calcareous soils.
Janis
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Hendrik, wow :o 8) 8) 8)
simply mouthwatering - a superb specis :P
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Awesome plant Hendrik !!!! :o :o :o
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I've always thought this was simply C. sieberi, and would like a general confirmation. The white area is never very pronounced, therfore I though of ssp. atticus. Any comments? This was from a garden centre and has spread well throughout my lawn.
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Crocus sieberi atticus, indeed..... one of my favourites!
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Thanks, Maggie, I was thinking it may well be Violet Queen, as I do remember buying bulbs some 8 or 10 years ago. In any case, one of my favs in the garden. I'm really getting to appreciate Crocus with this forum!
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Thanks, Maggie, I was thinking it may well be Violet Queen, as I do remember buying bulbs some 8 or 10 years ago. In any case, one of my favs in the garden. I'm really getting to appreciate Crocus with this forum!
To be honest, Jamie, I never even though about the sieberi cultivar 'Violet Queen' :-[
The colour does look a little brighter than I might expect but I put that down to lighting.... maybe it is the named cultivar... what do the others think?
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Jamie, Maggi,
your crocus could be both cvs. "Violet Queen" or "Firefly". Both are breedings/selections of C. sieberi ssp. atticus and resemble each other.
Firefly: Throat yellow, petals mineral violet (HCC 635/3), inconspicuous greyish veins . Introduced by M. Thoolen 1956
Violet Queen: Throat yellow, flowers outside amethyst violet (HCC 35/2), inside lighter coloured with deep yellow centre. G.H. Hageman, receipt several awards 1955.
Violet Queen has more rounded pedals compared to Firefly.
Please post a picture when open.
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Regarding Crocus sieberi cultivars. At first I want inform that in my book as C. sieberi is regarded only Cretan plants (subsp. sieberi). Plants from mainland Greece (subsp. atticus, sublimis, nivalis) I separate as Crocus atticus with 3 subspecies (although I'm not common with subsp. nivalis). They are too different at first, their hybrids are sterile, in second. And they looks sufficiently different on phylogenetic tree, too. Here I'm attaching bad pictures of 'Violet Queen' and 'Firefly' - they are from 30 years old slides made on Soviet film and scanned this morning. As with other cultivars there are horrible mix on trade in last years when selling companies being short in some variety without twinges of conscience sell another one by wrong name. I'm not growing more those cultivars.
Janis
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Please can anyone tell me the name and anything about the distribution of this Crocus which I photographed on Samos in October 1993? My apologies for the fuzzy pictures which I assume are colour variants of the same species.
At the Early Bulb Show a couple of years ago, I think Janis showed a picture of a similar dark throated Crocus from Samos and called it a variety of Crocus pallasii. But I cant remember the name of the variety.
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Sorry, the pictures seem to have disappeared. Hope it works this time.
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Please can anyone tell me the name and anything about the distribution of this Crocus which I photographed on Samos in October 1993? My apologies for the fuzzy pictures which I assume are colour variants of the same species.
At the Early Bulb Show a couple of years ago, I think Janis showed a picture of a similar dark throated Crocus from Samos and called it a variety of Crocus pallasii. But I cant remember the name of the variety.
I think it is pallasii subsp. pallasii, very variable species. Similar plant shown by me was from Chios island. Both, Samos and Chios are just at Turkish coast.
Janis
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Please can anyone tell me the name and anything about the distribution of this Crocus which I photographed on Samos in October 1993? My apologies for the fuzzy pictures which I assume are colour variants of the same species.
At the Early Bulb Show a couple of years ago, I think Janis showed a picture of a similar dark throated Crocus from Samos and called it a variety of Crocus pallasii. But I cant remember the name of the variety.
Yes, I agree with Janis. I have seen a form like this in cultivation also from Samos.
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Thank you, Janis and Tony. What lovely plants they all are - especially the Chios ones.
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Thank you, Janis and Tony. What lovely plants they all are - especially the Chios ones.
I agree, the Chios form is stunning, but so is the Kaya-Bash one with the deep purple netting. I have a sole C. pallasii ssp. pallasii, flowers very late every autumn, has lots of flowers and a wonderful scent, but in 7 years it has never increased nor set any seed (that I'm aware of). Is this species always so slow? I uploaded a photo from 2005.
Great to see the wide variety of flower forms in C. pallasii, didn't realize they were so variable.
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I have never had a form of C pallasii which increased freely by corm division. There must be some clones that will increase better than others. Janis will know! As for seed, you get much more seed if you grow several clones ... so with just the one corm it will be sloooow. Nice to see it garden grown.
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I have never had a form of C pallasii which increased freely by corm division. There must be some clones that will increase better than others. Janis will know! As for seed, you get much more seed if you grow several clones ... so with just the one corm it will be sloooow. Nice to see it garden grown.
Completely agree with Tony. Some clones split quite well, some individuals - not. It is common in any species. For seed crop you need another clone for cross-pollination. Crocus pallasii normally set seeds very well but I have more than 20 different clones/pots of it.
Janis
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Janis your pallasi from Chios is wonderful. with long style and blackish anthers seems very lovely!
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When we have seen Crocus pallasii pallasii in the wild here it can be in quite large colonies, but the plants are generally found as individuals. The high degree of variability in the colours of neighbouring plants emphasises that seed is the main way they increase in an area. We have alwasy assumed that the lack of large patches from one possible mother plant was due to predation of older bulbs. This does however mirror what we see here in C.biflorus adamii- a species which does 'bulk up' in cultivation. Maybe some forms will be better 'splitters' than others in cultivation.
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When we have seen Crocus pallasii pallasii in the wild here it can be in quite large colonies, but the plants are generally found as individuals. The high degree of variability in the colours of neighbouring plants emphasises that seed is the main way they increase in an area. We have always assumed that the lack of large patches from one possible mother plant was due to predation of older bulbs. This does however mirror what we see here in C.biflorus adamii- a species which does 'bulk up' in cultivation. Maybe some forms will be better 'splitters' than others in cultivation.
Yes, Simon. Will take any chrysanthus or biflorus s.l. crocus. Cultivars split very well and makes clumps in one year, wild material in cultivation - some corm splits at same speed as garden hybrids, some stay one for years. I had marvellous selections of Crocus korolkowii. Kiss of Spring every year forms 4-5 new corms in place of one, Glory of Samarkand (the best and lost later) in five years raised to 3 corms only! With C. korolkowii even in wild you can see clumps, but mostly in wild are individuals. I found only one clump of Crocus mathewii in wild, all others (thousands) were only individuals, rarely 2 identical (pallasii is close relative to mathewii). The same we can observe in any species. I think I wrote about this in BURIED TREASURES. Vegetative splitting in nature is dead end. For species important is good seed crop, not splitting - just opposite to gardeners wishes.
Janis
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.... but in 7 years it has never increased nor set any seed (that I'm aware of). Is this species always so slow?
Mark, I have several clones of pallasii and they all had a very good seed set in the last years
(and also increased by corm division). If they do the same this year I could send you some seeds.
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.... but in 7 years it has never increased nor set any seed (that I'm aware of). Is this species always so slow?
Mark, I have several clones of pallasii and they all had a very good seed set in the last years
(and also increased by corm division). If they do the same this year I could send you some seeds.
Thomas, that would be wonderful... I would gladly accept your offer of seed because part of the problem with no seed set here, I only have the one clone, so it would be good to increase the potential for cross pollination.
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Please remind me again in summer.
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Are there some forms of plants that are better increasers or seeders than others? I say this as my 'commercial' forms of Crocus niveus all bulk up well, and flower like crazy, but never set seed. The ones I have from wild collected seed bulk up more slowly but set lots of seed. The Crocus cartwightianus I bought as 1 corm is now planted everywhere and always sets seed- but it will effectively be selfed. I have two commercial froms of Crocus cancellatus mazziariucs- both of them are white and they flower maybe a week apart. They self and set seed. Yet the commercial forms of C.etruscus and C.sieberi 'Albus' I have never set seed. Just one of those big 'I wonder why?" questions.
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Simon, commercial plants were selected by their increasing rates. Slow increaser stand for less money
so they will be sorted out/sold and only the good increasers will be kept and grown on.
Many of these good increasers are sterile, others are self fertile, that's why they don't set seed.
In the wild it is better for the survival of the species to set seed. Seeds will spread to a broader area from the mother
plant and of course they are mixed by the genes of mom and daddy-plant, from which only the best will survive.
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;) Thanks Thomas. I know I have been bitten by that kind of 'commercial selection' before and did have the nonflowering, but quickly increasing C.kotschyanus for a while. Does anyone else have experience with 'commercial forms' that want to take over the world by both seed and corm- like the C.cartwrightianus and C.cancellatus mazziaricus I mentioned?
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I've never had this experience with crocus but I have with Chionodoxa. In a few weeks my garden will look like a Turkish hillside. I am convinced that every seed produces a flowering-size bulb within a year & subsequently increases vegetatively at the same rate. A very pretty weed.
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;) Thanks Thomas. I know I have been bitten by that kind of 'commercial selection' before and did have the nonflowering, but quickly increasing C.kotschyanus for a while. Does anyone else have experience with 'commercial forms' that want to take over the world by both seed and corm- like the C.cartwrightianus and C.cancellatus mazziaricus I mentioned?
I have three pots of Crocus kotschyanus with corms the size of onions (well nearly!). I bought the originals in 2007 and they flowered once and haven't performed since. They are heading for the bin.
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Can somebody tell me where Labranda in Turkey is, please. Putting it into Google Earth,does not produce an answer.
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Jim I think it's also spelled Labraunda, here (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=labraunda&sll=37.390891,27.769318&sspn=0.412978,0.617294&ie=UTF8&hq=labraunda&hnear=&t=h&ll=37.428524,27.778931&spn=0.41277,0.617294&z=11) in Muğla Province, SW Turkey. Those who know the area may comment further.
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I have three pots of Crocus kotschyanus with corms the size of onions (well nearly!). I bought the originals in 2007 and they flowered once and haven't performed since. They are heading for the bin.
Save the as mouse bait, David. They can be sacrificial lambs ;)
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I have three pots of Crocus kotschyanus with corms the size of onions (well nearly!). I bought the originals in 2007 and they flowered once and haven't performed since. They are heading for the bin.
Save the as mouse bait, David. They can be sacrificial lambs ;)
;D ;D
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Can somebody tell me where Labranda in Turkey is, please. Putting it into Google Earth,does not produce an answer.
Labranda, which is the holy area of Zeus Labraundeus, is in ancient Caria (Southwestern Anatolia), 13 kms northeast of Milas (Mylasa), the city to which it is affiliated. The site is famous with its Temple of Zeus, its delicious water, and its pine and plane tree forests. There are daily tours to Labranda from Bodrum as well which is about 1 hr away.
Hendrik
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I have three pots of Crocus kotschyanus with corms the size of onions (well nearly!). I bought the originals in 2007 and they flowered once and haven't performed since. They are heading for the bin.
Save the as mouse bait, David. They can be sacrificial lambs ;)
;D ;D
Quite seriously David. If mice eat crocus corms, better that they eat poor ones than the better forms when baiting your traps. Fortunately NZ mice don't seem to have acquired the taste. I've never heard of it happening here. :D
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Can somebody tell me where Labranda in Turkey is, please. Putting it into Google Earth,does not produce an answer.
Labranda, which is the holy area of Zeus Labraundeus, is in ancient Caria (Southwestern Anatolia), 13 kms northeast of Milas (Mylasa), the city to which it is affiliated. The site is famous with its Temple of Zeus, its delicious water, and its pine and plane tree forests. There are daily tours to Labranda from Bodrum as well which is about 1 hr away.
Hendrik
Hendrik forgot to mention the several quarries in the area and the enormous number of lorries which have reduced the approach road to a state where it has one foot deep ruts which shake the car to pieces and make you glad its a hire car and not your own. It is where Crocus nerimaniae was originally described from.
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;) Thanks Thomas. I know I have been bitten by that kind of 'commercial selection' before and did have the nonflowering, but quickly increasing C.kotschyanus for a while. Does anyone else have experience with 'commercial forms' that want to take over the world by both seed and corm- like the C.cartwrightianus and C.cancellatus mazziaricus I mentioned?
Crocus pulchellus is gradually spreading through my garden by seed spread by ants. It also increases by division. I think i got it originally as a few corms at a Discussion weekend but do not know its origin. The crocuses in the garden came from seed and/or cormlets in old potting compost. It flowers very well . I have posted pictures of it flowering in October.
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Roma's pix are here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4261.msg116266#msg116266
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Does anyone have any ideas on this one? Could it be my 'lost' Crocus adanensis?
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Simon,
a very beautiful crocus. I checked my C. adanensis reference pictures but unfortunately none are matching :o
In the first view I thought of a form of C. abantensis but your sample leaves are much broader then typical and the whitish anthers and the black bottom inner markings confuse me.
Maybe it is a nice C. biflorus ssp. (adami) hybrid? :-\
As usual only a picture of the corm could give us more hints...
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Does anyone have any ideas on this one? Could it be my 'lost' Crocus adanensis?
It isn't Crocus adanensis (see attached picture). What is the corm tunic?
Janis
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Simon your crocus is very strange, I have nothink in sipring bloomer with white anthers! :-\
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Thanks Armin, Janis and Ibrahim. I will check the corm when the plant is dormant. I am also confused by the white anthers. I thought maybe it could be C.adanensis as the catalogue description said "white, sometimes yellow, throat".
The only as yet unaccounted for C.biflorus forms I have had are C.aff isauricus (found) or C.astrospermus. Alternatively, I did have some seedlings from wild collected seed I bought in 2005, which had been collected at Soganli Pass. Though I thought these had all been eaten by voles.
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Thanks Armin, Janis and Ibrahim. I will check the corm when the plant is dormant. I am also confused by the white anthers. I thought maybe it could be C.adanensis as the catalogue description said "white, sometimes yellow, throat".
The only as yet unaccounted for C.biflorus forms I have had are C.aff isauricus (found) or C.astrospermus. Alternatively, I did have some seedlings from wild collected seed I bought in 2005, which had been collected at Soganli Pass. Though I thought these had all been eaten by voles.
No, It isn't atrospermus, too. By flower shape it looks of biflorus group, but I don't know any with white anthers. No idea. Some idea from where it comes? Wild collection, baught from someone, self-sawn seedling?
Janis
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Janis, thanks for your help. I know it cannot be self sown as this part of the garden is only 3years old this summer and the Crocus have only been planted here for 2 years.
If it is from seed it can only be from seed I bought at an AGS show in Leeds, from someone who had collected from unnamed species in the wild. The only information I have is Soganli Pass NE Turkey. There were some species from Iran- but I think these were identified as autumn flowering species.
Apart from that my only other clues for my 'lost' biflorus types are the ones Norman Stevens listed as biflorus astrospermus and biflorus aff. astrospermus- which I once had. The collection sites for these are listed as Tuzlabeli Gec and Belpinar Gec respectively.
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Janis, thanks for your help. I know it cannot be self sown as this part of the garden is only 3years old this summer and the Crocus have only been planted here for 2 years.
If it is from seed it can only be from seed I bought at an AGS show in Leeds, from someone who had collected from unnamed species in the wild. The only information I have is Soganli Pass NE Turkey. There were some species from Iran- but I think these were identified as autumn flowering species.
Apart from that my only other clues for my 'lost' biflorus types are the ones Norman Stevens listed as biflorus astrospermus and biflorus aff. astrospermus- which I once had. The collection sites for these are listed as Tuzlabeli Gec and Belpinar Gec respectively.
atrospermus grow in this part of Turkey (Belpinar gec), but that which you showed more seem to be from NE Turkey, may be Soganli pass - must to check where it actuqally is and may be go there in 2011 or 2012 (if will be on earth so long). It something resembles tauri but white anthers - very unusual. May be something new? Oh, when it will end! Keep it from rodents, please!
Janis
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It resembles biflorus taurii - silvery bracts, but has fewer leaves - 3(?) {in typical taurii - 4-9}, leaves seem to be wider, too {in taurii up to 3,5 mm}. Width of leaves usually corelate with number, more leaves and they are narrover, less leaves and they are wider. Two very unusual features are white anthers and black spots at bottom. Really seem to be something special.
Janis
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Thanks Janis. There is another nose appearing nearby I will keep my eye on this to see how it develops too.
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Now I decided to study this biflorus more carefuly on the field. At first whole this sunday I have visited two biflorus locations on Asian part of Istanbul. I took some pictures as well. I think this way may help to some of us for identify our crocus!
Here is my first study. 8)
Asian part of Ist. 14.02.2010
Flowers; white, outside usualy lightly speckled or lightly striped rarely with evident strips.
Throat; yellow and glabrous,
Anthers; yellow 9mm., allways with black lobes,
Filaments; yellow, filifolium and 4.5mm.,
Style; red, divided three at half way dawn of anthers and lenght as long as anthers.
Leaves; numbers 4-6, width 1.5mm, without ribs, longer than flowers or equal, Bracts browny.
Corms; 13mm. dim., hard coriaceous with toothed rings,
Seeds;
Result; supposed to be C. biflorus subsp. biflorus .........
İbrahim..
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Do you agree it is C.biflorus biflorus, Ibrahim? I would not know, but I do find its disjunct distribution rather interesting. I read it is also in Province Canakkale as well as Istanbul. Is it also found in the European part of Istanbul Province?
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Simon, I also agree these are subsp. biflorus. What was interesting for me, they were very small like a danfordiae size and second thing all the anthers have black lobes! We have this subsipecies also in European part of Istanbul but there they were nearly all strongly striped and rarely speckled and they were much more bigger then these but reason maybe soil conditions. we have this subspecies In Çanakkale province to but I have no experience there on this plant.
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Thanks again, Ibrahim. Again the fact that they have been found on both sides of the Bosphorous in Istanbul province and then again in Canakkale intrigues me. I wonder why they are absent, or have not yet been found, in the provinces nearby or in between.
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Simon, I also agree these are subsp. biflorus. What was interesting for me, they were very small like a danfordiae size and second thing all the anthers have black lobes! We have this subsipecies also in European part of Istanbul but there they were nearly all strongly striped and rarely speckled and they were much more bigger then these but reason maybe soil conditions. we have this subspecies In Çanakkale province to but I have no experience there on this plant.
I agree. Single alternative - white danfordiae (small flowers) but in danfordiae filaments are shorter and flowers more pointed, I don't know where this locality exactly is, but danfordiae is found not very far from Istanbul.
Janis
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A C.danfordiae and C.biflorus missing link ;D
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A C.danfordiae and C.biflorus missing link ;D
H. Kerndorff and E. Pasche - Crocus biflorus biflorus grow in province Istanbul and Čannakkale. The Plantsman, 2003, p. 82-83
Janis
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Janis you are right I just want to say that the size of flowers were as big as danfordiae. Usualy subsp. biflorus is a huge crocus like deuch hybrids.
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Would anyone have a name for this crocus which has seeded itself into the raised bed in my greenhouse,
thanks
Mike
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Janis, Ref. your danfordiae. I have attached a photo of one of my crocus labelled danfordiae from CS seed 04.Can you confirm?
2nd photo is from AGS seed in 99 and labelled Vernus sps.Any idea`s
3rd photo from CS seed 2000,Biflorus biflorus
4th photo from AGS 99 labelled Flavus flavus, is this Vernus dark tipped form?
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Jim the what I think
1. pic. C. danfordiae
2. pic. C. angustifolius (or Chrysanthus x biflorus)
3. pic. no idea
4. pic. C. vernus
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Jim,
No.3 C. versicolor "Picturatus"
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Jim
danfordiae
angustifolius
looks like versicolor Picturatus - but unlikely as a seedling
tommasinianus ?x vernus perhaps
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Many thanks to you all, I thought No,3 was true to seed label ie,Biflorus biflorus and No.4, Vernus vernus dark tips.
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Would anyone have a name for this crocus which has seeded itself into the raised bed in my greenhouse,
thanks
Mike
Mike - sorry I missed yours in the flood from Jim!
It looks like a Crocus sieberi probably ssp atticus.
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Jım I am not so sure but your 3. crocus doesn't looks like subsp. biflorus to me!. Leaves too short, petals are thiny for a biflorus and the stripes also doesn't look like biflorsus. :-\
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Janis, Ref. your danfordiae. I have attached a photo of one of my crocus labelled danfordiae from CS seed 04.Can you confirm?
2nd photo is from AGS seed in 99 and labelled Vernus sps.Any idea`s
3rd photo from CS seed 2000,Biflorus biflorus
4th photo from AGS 99 labelled Flavus flavus, is this Vernus dark tipped form?
The first - danfordiae
2nd - angustifolius or some of chrysanthus-biflorus cultivar seedling - check tunics
3rd - dont think that biflorus, but tunic must be checked, can be hybrid, too
4-th more looks as heuffelianus - stigmatic branches in vernus much overtops anthers, in heuffelianus at same level.
Janis
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My "Picturatus" for comparison.
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Jim
danfordiae
angustifolius
looks like versicolor Picturatus - but unlikely as a seedling
tommasinianus ?x vernus perhaps
Don't think that it is picturatus, as I remember, it was sterile, so not possible seed origin.
Janis
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My 'Picturatus' has seeds from time to time, but not each year.
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Crocus lost label
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Can anyone help with identifying this Crocus please?
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Mark - first thought is C kosaninii, or perhaps C sieberi. Look up the leaf details on Crocus Pages and compare them. I think you will be able to resolve it.
Tiggrx - perhaps C etruscus or C versicolor. Difficult to tell without more of the whole plant. It's a beauty whatever.
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Thanks Tony, I will investigate further :)
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A few years ago I bought a pot of Crocus. I neglected them by letting them dry out and lost the label. They are now flowering again. The outside colour is basically the same as the inside. Is it a sieberi and what ssp?
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I have two group plantings of Crocus that need identification.
The first one was from an "economy bag" labeled as Crocus minimus; clearly it is mislabeled. The one that needs identification in the first and second photo is the purple one (growing behind it is C. vitellinus from a Lebanese source). Photos 1 & 2, just to show what a difference a few days can make :o It has been suggested that it is a tommasinianus or vernus type, but which one?
In the third photo, another very pretty grouping, again from an "economy bag" of corms labelled as Crocus 'Violet Queen, and here again mislabled. It looks similar to tommasinianus 'Ruby Giant' that Michael posted a photo of recently.
Suggestions welcome.
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The third photo shows one of the tomms - Whitewell Purple, Barrs Purple or Whitewell Purple
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This Crocus appeared in the middle of some Narcissus a few days ago. I think this is a Crocus biflorus, but can anyone suggest which subspecies?
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This Crocus appeared in the middle of some Narcissus a few days ago. I think this is a Crocus biflorus, but can anyone suggest which subspecies?
Yes to C biflorus. ssp .. well it might be ssp pulchricolor but not typical. Thomas may suggest a cv name ?Blue Peter perhaps.
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I got some tiny corms from a friend who died. He was a botanist and grew a lot from seed. I have no idea whether this is a species or cultivar but would be most interested to know what they are. I've grown them on two more years now and have two flowers this year in the pot. Any help you can give is much appreciated. Three photos, as close as I can get with my camera:
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Chris B - Always interesting to see what they grow up into. This one is Crocus tommasinianus which you can plant out and watch as it becomes naturalised if you are lucky.
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The third photo shows one of the tomms - Whitewell Purple, Barrs Purple or Whitewell Purple
Are there detail descriptions of those tomms that can help me sort out what I have?
I have heard of Barr's Purple but not Whitewell Purple, nor Whitewell Purple :o ???
Found this on the 'Whitewell Purple' Tommies:
http://www.paghat.com/crocuswhitewell.html
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Mark, I planted four different cultivars in four different places in the front garden. I used to know the difference but I've forgotton except for var roseus
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Those from your link are 'just' tommies, McMark, not a Whitewell Purple.... mind you, the question of Whitewell Purple is one which has exercised us well and truly over the years..... search the SRGC forums (old and new, as I recall) and you will find pages of discussion on the matter!!
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The third photo shows one of the tomms - Whitewell Purple, Barrs Purple or Whitewell Purple
Mark, what I was trying to convey, you mentioned Whitewell Purple twice. Did you mean to repeat it, or just a slip and you meant to mention a second 'Whitewell something'? The way it reads, I'm guessing you meant to give me a third ID possibility.
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Mark, I planted four different cultivars in four different places in the front garden. I used to know the difference but I've forgotton except for var roseus
The comparison page from Thomas Huber can be found on the link below. He's recently updated all the chrysanthus/biflorus cvs but this page shows the tommies:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/5012/8868.html?1129846074 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/5012/8868.html?1129846074)
scroll down to bottom of first post for tommies.
As far as I understand it ::) Whitewell purple has a dark tube. Here's a couple of pictures of mine, taken last year, they're not out yet
Crocus Whitewell Purple
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Thanks Tony. Good to have an id on it.
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Addendum...
Mark Mc,
Mark S.
the tommies (pict.3) could be "Ruby Giant" as supposed. The picture was taken in sunshine and almost all DSC cannot reproduce the correct ruby-violet color. Cv. "Ruby Giant" has a dark stem and it is a sterile clone. The Flower is larger then ordinary tommies and has a silvery gloss. See my picture of mixed tommies.
Pict. 1 & 2 seems to be a vernus cultivar. Was the name accidentally Queen of the Blues (C. vernus) instead of Violet Queen (C. sieberi ssp. atticus)? "Queen of the Blues" has some fine stripes inside the flower.
As Maggie correctly wrote reg. "Whitewell Purple" we don't have a common opinion on the forum.
There seem to exist two commercial forms.
One form has large flowers and a dark base and stem. Late flowering. Size almost like a C. vernus hybrid.(image like your 2nd. photo).
The other form of "Whitewell Purple" is more like a tommie, early flowering, white stem (no dark base)
"Barrs Purple" for reference.
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Comparison page here from Thomas Huber. He's recently updated all the chrysanthus/biflorus cvs but this page shows the tommies:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/5012/8868.html?1129846074 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/5012/8868.html?1129846074)
scroll down to bottom of first post for tommies.
As far as I understand it ::) Whitewell purple has a dark tube. Here's mine, taken last year, they're not out yet
Crocus Whitewell Purple
Thanks Diane, the crocus in your photos do look very similar to mine. I can't see the tube color from my overhead photo, but I'll see if I have some more oblique angle views, or wait 2-3 more weeks when they'll be in bloom again.
And yes, I saw Thomas Huber's update on the chrysanthus/biflorus cvs, quite an impressive piece of work and a tremendous resource... I've been studing it. Thanks for the link to one that shows the comparitive tommi crocus... most helpful.
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Addendum...
Mark Mc,
Mark S.
the tommies (pict.3) could be "Ruby Giant" as supposed. The picture was taken in sunshine and almost all DSC cannot reproduce the correct ruby-violet color. Cv. "Ruby Giant" has a dark stem and it is a sterile clone. The Flower is larger then ordinary tommies and has a silvery gloss. See my picture of mixed tommies.
Pict. 1 & 2 seems to be a vernus cultivar. Was the name accidentally Queen of the Blues (C. vernus) instead of Violet Queen (C. sieberi ssp. atticus)? "Queen of the Blues" has some fine stripes inside the flower.
As Maggie correctly wrote reg. "Whitewell Purple" we don't have a common opinion on the forum.
There seem to exist two commercial forms.
One form has large flowers and a dark base and stem. Late flowering. Size almost like a C. vernus hybrid.(image like your 2nd. photo).
The other form of "Whitewell Purple" is more like a tommie, early flowering, white stem (no dark base)
"Barrs Purple" for reference.
Thanks so much Armin, our postings just missed each other. Your information is very helpful in summarizing the issue of Whitewell Purple (of which I was unaware). I do have (what was labeled as...) Barr's Purple, but have no photos, again, will need a few weeks to compare. Your Whitewell Purple appears deep blue-purple, bluer than my mystery crocus, my plants in my last photo look closer in color to your last photo with mixed tommies and Ruby Giant. Maybe I need to wait until flowering, and take some more diagnostic photos at various angles and such. Nice comparitive series of good photographs, thanks for putting those forward.
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Diane,
from image your "Whitewell Purple" looks more "Ruby Giant" to me! ;D The pedals in "Ruby Giant" are more rounded on the tips.
The problem always is the uncorrect color reproduction of digitial cameras. >:(
See image comparison with old and new DSC. (both cannot catch the real color as a human eye recognize!)
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Mark, maybe have look here.
This discussion about Whitewell Purple, Barr's Purple and Ruby Giant is not new ;D ::)
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Good evening Luit,
yes, it is a never ending story ;D ;D ;D
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Hi to everybody,
Can anybody tell what is the difference of Chrysanthus Uschak than standart Chrysanthus? I think that is just a cultivar name of a selected form of chrysanthus from Uşak (or Uschak in english)! Last week I have visited surrounding Uşak. I have seen lots of C. chrysanthus, C. fleischerii and C. flavus dissectus.
Here are some forms. They all have black lobes and red style anly a few I have seen full orange but they were also mixed with red style.
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I agree, Ibrahim. The forms of C.chrysanthus I bought in the UK and brought with me to Bulgaria really do not look that different to the wild plant we see here. The bulgarian C.chrysanthus have red or orange styles and some have a small black dot at the base of the anthers and style. For me it would be better to think of Usak as a collection site, rather than a form which is any different to the wild type!
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Sorry, can't help with the tommie question.
The confusion around 'Ruby Giant', 'Whitewell Purple' and 'Barr's Purple' is still valid.
Ibrahim I've posted some comments about the yellow chrysanthus selections here:;
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5060.30
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Ibrahim,
interesting to see natural variations of C. chrysanthus, flowers with and without leaves.
Collection from Mt. Milea is characterised by the red style with 3 broad expanded branches.
And I never saw black tipped lobes, too.
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The confusion around 'Ruby Giant', 'Whitewell Purple' and 'Barr's Purple' is still valid.
I can tell the difference between my forms. One very pale with a white tube and the other deep purple that doesnt photograph very well
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Uschak Orange is usually the first chrysanthus to flower for me but have to agree all the orange chrysanthus cultivars baffle me. A bit like snowdrops with a single mark
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Thomas I've tried to use your guide to ID this C. chrysanthus but I dont know if it is Snow Bunting or White Beauty. A packet of mixed chrysanthus are all one type ::)
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One more, sorry.
Thomas shows biflorus weldenii Albus that have a hint of yellow at the base and no grey. Is this a form of biflorus weldenii.? It's pristine white inside
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Thomas your study on cultivars is great!
I want to attache some more from same region.
C. flavus dissectus; some of them have very short style like standart flavus but the size of flowers and many narrow leaves are more helpfull to identify.
C. fleischeri; is a common plant averywhere in this species the corm was very interesting for me. I am not sure if is this normal! I just tryed to make a photo of corm for my archives. First one lies on its side, second also, third one has stalon and the last two have up right coms!
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Mark, your first plant is clearly 'Snowbunting' - see the yellow groundcolour of the outer petals and the long stripes.
White Beatuy has pure white groundcolour and much shorter stripes.
The second one isn't a cultivar - at least I don't know of one looking like your plant. Perhaps it's a seedling.
Ibrahim, are you sure, the flavus with the short style are ssp dissectus?
This ssp is separated by its long, multiple devided style.
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Thanks again!
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Re Crocus chrysanthus: The wild populations we have seen here had stigmas, which were red or orange (the orange being the same colour as the rest of the flower). Is it possible that 'Milea' is just a selection from a wild population with the same variation? The bought Crocus chrysanthus I brought with me to Bulgaria flowered in the same week- which is also the same week as our nearest local wild populations of C.chrysanthus flowered. Populations further south in Bulgaria have just about finished flowering.
Thanks Tony G- for your help with my Crocus id. Has anyone else grown C.biflorus pulchricolor from Janis? I am wondering if this is what I have. I bought this the season before our vole attack and as such never saw it flower. If this is the id, then it must have regenerated from scraps left in a vole run under its current position. Attached pic shows the closed flowers.
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Can't help with the ID Simon, but this is a stunning dark beauty !!
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Simon,
can't help with the ID - but very beautiful. Would be interested to see it when open.
Reg. Milea: this nice form of C. chrsanthus was found on Katara-pass near Milea, height 1450m, in N Pindhos mountains, central Greece. Intro 1987. I don't know if it was a selection or all wild population show the same variation of style.
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Thanks Luc and Armin- I posted a pic of the open flowers a few pages back- but here it is again.
Thanks for the Milea info as well Armin.
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Simon,
thanks - now I'm back on track.
It does not match any C. chrsanthus/biflorus cv. I know. But very lovely.
In case of excess seed I would be interested. ;)
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Mark, your first plant is clearly 'Snowbunting' - see the yellow groundcolour of the outer petals and the long stripes.
White Beatuy has pure white groundcolour and much shorter stripes.
The second one isn't a cultivar - at least I don't know of one looking like your plant. Perhaps it's a seedling.
Ibrahim, are you sure, the flavus with the short style are ssp dissectus?
This ssp is separated by its long, multiple devided style.
Thomas,
If you can check on my second photo in the same clan one with short style the rest with much divided! but the leaves and size goes to subsp. dissectus.
Simon on your biflorus I am with Tony G. it seems to be biflorus pulchricolor.
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Thanks Ibrahim. Out of interest how many more leaves does flavus ssp dissectus have? Is it the leaves that are bigger in size or the plants? We have flavus flavus here which have a more dissected style than others, but only a few mm more- never to the same extent as flavus dissectus.
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Reg. Milea: this nice form of C. chrsanthus was found on Katara-pass near Milea, height 1450m, in N Pindhos mountains, central Greece. Intro 1987. I don't know if it was a selection or all wild population show the same variation of style.
I have looked at mine from the Katara Pass and it looks the same. I have also looked at them from Mt Falackro which is NE of there and they are a mixture of both the expanded yellow type and the more compact orange style. It looks like natural variation.
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Many thanks Tony,
good to have forum members who have the knowledge of the place! :D
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Also good to know that unless you need one from every mountain, there isn't really that much difference in the commercial forms of C.chrysanthus ;)
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Simon, your lovely dark one looks a lot like what I bought as aerius, then was told it was biflorus pulchricolor but since, Thomas has assured me is biflorus alexandri. What do you think? Ignore the filename. I took the picture before Thomas had corrected it. when closed, it is quite as dark as yours. No yellow in the throat and it has a bright red style.
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No, forget it. Yours has yellow in the throat.
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Simon, your lovely dark one looks a lot like what I bought as aerius, then was told it was biflorus pulchricolor but since, Thomas has assured me is biflorus alexandri. What do you think? Ignore the filename. I took the picture before Thomas had corrected it. when closed, it is quite as dark as yours. No yellow in the throat and it has a bright red style.
Lesley that is a lovely thing. C biflorus pulchricolor has apparently been offered in place of the much rarer C aerius in the trade at one time. The lack of a yellow throat makes your plants something different. Seems likely that Thomas has it right ... unless it is a hybrid of cultivation.
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Thanks Ibrahim. Out of interest how many more leaves does flavus ssp dissectus have? Is it the leaves that are bigger in size or the plants? We have flavus flavus here which have a more dissected style than others, but only a few mm more- never to the same extent as flavus dissectus.
Simon, subsp. dissectus has smaller flowers, thiny leaves and longer much divided style while subsp. flavus has quite big flowers and wider leaves and very short style.
Next days I was in Muğla province I have seen lots of crocus but I was not so luky to make pictures. On the wat to Göktepe I have seen lots C. gargaricus, C. chrysantus, C. fleischeri and C. biflorus nubigena!!! only in one location.
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No, forget it. Yours has yellow in the throat.
Thanks, Lesley, I was just about to ask if yours had any yellow in the throat. ;)
Thanks, Ibrahim.
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I bought some crocus malyi bulbs last year and one "stray" corm has been sent by mistake. It opened up when I took it inside today and has flowered much earlier than the rest.
Is anyone able to identify it? (All 3 photos are of the same crocus)
thanks
Graeme
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Graeme,
it resembles a form of C. etruscus.
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Tony, would you like a few small corms of my C. b. alexandri? I've sent some to Thomas, I think successfully, 2 or 3 years ago. When they flowered was when he noticed they weren't what I thought they were. :)
Simon, I'm collecting seed at present (among the bumble bees) of the Salvia microphyla so will send very son, also Lathyrus laxiflorus which should do well in your dryer parts. A lovely thing.
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It is Lesley. Photo taken today in my garden
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The purple/blue one in my photo is a tommie
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Armin,
Thank you very much for identifying my "unknown" crocus. I'll stick a new label beside it.
regards
Graeme
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Graeme,
C. etruscus is one of the easy and early flowering species.
It seems this species quite often appear as "impurity" in crocus orders...
I made repeated times this experience. >:(
Mark,
your clump of C. malyi is nice. Mine are snow covered...
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Thanks Armin. All my Crocus grown outside are excellent this year because we havent had rain for two weeks and it will continue for another week. The high over the UK and Ireland is very welcome
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I have no idea what this crocus might be, am sure it is something common but would like to know the name if possible.
I bought some bulbs half price :-[ a few months ago and planted them in pots and left them in my unheated sunroom.
Yesterday it occurred to me that they probably wouldn't flower this year as they might not have had enough cold, I went into the sun room and there it was.
Couldn't believe it.
The flowers are scented.
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Helen, I think your pretty crocus are 'Snowbunting' see here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5060.msg138199#msg138199
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Helen,
your unknown crocus shows the main characteristics of cv. C. chrysanthus "Snow Bunting".
However, your samples show unusual 9 & 10 stripes :o Typical are 5-7.
I'm not sure this is within the variation and is a permanent feature or it is a different hybrid...
But very attractive.
Please check if it has a yellow center and black tipped lobes of the anthers.
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I doubt if the majority of crocuses need much cold to flower Helen, otherwise I'd not get many flowers at all. And they do very well for me.
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Maggi, I think you are right, although the pic Thomas posted seems to have a bit more colour.
Armin, here's a pic of the centre.
They've closed up for the night.
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Lesley, that's handy to know. I thought they were like tulips and required a certain amount of cold to flower.
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Helen, thanks.
center and style, anthers yellowish with black tipped lobes -> "Snow Bunting". ;)
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Thanks Armin ;D
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Well even tulips flower exceptionally well here and also with friends who live north of Auckland. They get no cold at all - ever. Not a single frost in 30 years!
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You probably live in the perfect climate for growing just about anything.
Do you have any Gallica or Alba roses?
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I don't grow them myself Helen, but there are heaps around Dunedin and the whole country. The Heritage Rose Society probably has a good website but I haven't been there. I believe Pat Toolan who is a Forumist in South Australia and grows stunning onco irises, is involved with Heritage Roses.
I'm finding that docks, sorrel, ragwort, creeping thistle (won't call it Californian in case I offend those from there), cleavers, blackberry, Euphorbia lathyris and a hundred other weeds are doing exceptionally well at present, in spite of a lack of rain. So yes, just about anything will grow in New Zealand, in some part of it anyway. My sister who lives in Tauranga has a good avocado tree and has cymbidiums under her trees. And she's NOT a gardener. They just grow anyway, like Topsy.
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I saw this in a garden today. Anyone know what it is?
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Crocus etruscus
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Lesley, Sam McGredy the rose breeder from Portadown in Ireland went to NZ and was breeding roses over there. Do you know anything of him or have you herd of him.?
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Thanks Thomas. I will let the grower know.
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Hi These crocus came as C. corsicus but they look the same or very similar to what i have growing as C. imperati 'de Jagar' but the C. corsicus are larger.
Thank you
Rimmer in SE Michigan where the deep freeze has ended and the snow disappeared in the past 5 days an we now have rain
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Rimmer - you have definitely got Crocus imperati there. Yellow throat, very yellow looking outer ground colour. It might be a different clone or perhaps the corms have been nursery grown before you got them. They can seem more vigorous (bigger) the first year. At least the value is similar ... so often the wrong 'un is a cheap one!
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Thanks Tony, i got them in 2007 but they got starved and this is their first year to bloom, so much for specialist nurserys...
The attached photo is of a crocus i got last fall as C. scepusinensis leucostigma, i find nothing on this crocus can someone confirm and provide some culture information
Thanks
Rimmer
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Hi to everybody,
Can anybody tell what is the difference of Chrysanthus Uschak than standart Chrysanthus? I think that is just a cultivar name of a selected form of chrysanthus from Uşak (or Uschak in English)! Last week I have visited surrounding Uşak. I have seen lots of C. chrysanthus, C. fleischeri and C. flavus dissectus.
Here are some forms. They all have black lobes and red style only a few I have seen full orange but they were also mixed with red style.
Just returned from marvellous trip with excellent discoveries in Turkey and more will report later. Now I'm making quick view of entries.
cv. 'Uschak Orange' was selected by van Tubergen company in seventies of last century (not remember date). Here it was the brightest yellow and the earliest of chrysanthus known to me at that time. It had deep orange stigmatic branches, well reproduce itself from seeds. I think that true UO was the clone from surroundings of Uşak, but later Michael Hoog sent me under that name another with yellow stigmatic branches. I would prefair that the first form could be kept as cv. 'UO'. All others from this district must be regarded as C. chrysanthus from Uşak.
Problem with chrysanthus is the great variability of chromosome number from 2n=8 to 2n=20 (Uschak Orange is 2n=20). It is the main reason why in some places it hybridise with biflorus, but in most cases - not. Really I suppose that there could be several species indistinguishable by flower and other features. Just during my last trip I thought that there would be excellent thesis for doctorage - researches on DNA variability throughout the range and populations of chrysanthus. If I would be only 40...
Janis
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Mark, your first plant is clearly 'Snowbunting' - see the yellow groundcolour of the outer petals and the long stripes.
White Beatuy has pure white groundcolour and much shorter stripes.
The second one isn't a cultivar - at least I don't know of one looking like your plant. Perhaps it's a seedling.
Ibrahim, are you sure, the flavus with the short style are ssp dissectus?
This ssp is separated by its long, multiple devided style.
Thomas,
A lot of dissectus has dissected but short branches sometimes even below the tips of anthers.
Janis
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Thomas your study on cultivars is great!
I want to attache some more from same region.
C. flavus dissectus; some of them have very short style like standart flavus but the size of flowers and many narrow leaves are more helpfull to identify.
C. fleischeri; is a common plant averywhere in this species the corm was very interesting for me. I am not sure if is this normal! I just tryed to make a photo of corm for my archives. First one lies on its side, second also, third one has stalon and the last two have up right coms!
Many thanks for picture of stoloniferous fleischeri. Never saw such, but such is mentioned in Brian Mathews Monograph.
Janis
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Re Crocus chrysanthus: The wild populations we have seen here had stigmas, which were red or orange (the orange being the same colour as the rest of the flower). Is it possible that 'Milea' is just a selection from a wild population with the same variation? The bought Crocus chrysanthus I brought with me to Bulgaria flowered in the same week- which is also the same week as our nearest local wild populations of C.chrysanthus flowered. Populations further south in Bulgaria have just about finished flowering.
Thanks Tony G- for your help with my Crocus id. Has anyone else grown C.biflorus pulchricolor from Janis? I am wondering if this is what I have. I bought this the season before our vole attack and as such never saw it flower. If this is the id, then it must have regenerated from scraps left in a vole run under its current position. Attached pic shows the closed flowers.
It looks as pulchricolor, alternative - taurii but unusually dark. Must be checked corm tunics.
Janis
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Thanks, Janis. Have you offered a pulchricolor this dark before?
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Thanks, Janis. Have you offered a pulchricolor this dark before?
I think, yes. At least just such now blooms under my commercial stock number (BM-8514) in greenhouse.
Janis
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Thanks, Janis.
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Hi Michael, Yes I've certainly heard of Sam McGredy and my mother used to grow a number of his roses. I'm not much of a rose grower myself. So far as I know he's still around but I can probably find out some more for you. Give me a day or two and I'll contact you privately.
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Michael, a quick Google sauggests SM is still alive and very active in the Rose World.
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The attached photo is of a crocus i got last fall as C. scepusinensis leucostigma, i find nothing on this crocus can someone confirm and provide some culture information
Thanks
Rimmer
Easy in the garden being a form of Crocus vernus. C scepusiensis is a synonym for C vernus vernus. 'leucostigma' = white stigma (whitish anyway!) Tolerant of summer damp and not needing / liking excessive heat / drought in summer.
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Thanks Tony, i got them in 2007 but they got starved and this is their first year to bloom, so much for specialist nurserys...
The attached photo is of a crocus i got last fall as C. scepusinensis leucostigma, i find nothing on this crocus can someone confirm and provide some culture information
Thanks
Rimmer
The plant is correct. You can see the almost white stigma. Color of stigma can vary a little from pure white to slightly creamy as they are propogated from seed. The name var. leucostigma was applied by G. Maw in his Monograph and I followed him in naming this form, although in my book I'm seperating Crocus heuffelianus from Crocus vernus with two subspecies - subsp. heuffelianus and subsp. scepusiensis. Typical stigma color for Crocus vernus sensu lato complex is yellow.
Janis
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This is a picture of what I am growing as Crocus biflorus aff astrospermus from Belpinar Gec. The same plant was posted last year. I was waiting for a chance to take a clear(ish) picture as it looks noticeably different from another plant posted here (by Dirk?). Any ideas?
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Can someone ID this one please, grown from seed as cartwrightianus which obviously it isn't.
Corsicus maybe ?
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Michael, I think you are right. Crocus corsicus is the most likely from the look of your plant although the outers are more yellow than I hav eseen on C corsicus. However it is certainly within described variation. Also the name begins c.r and ends ...us, perhaps the donor had a dyslexic moment!
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Thanks Tony,will label it as Corsicus
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I have found a large clump of this crocus with a faded label Crocus olivieri ssp olivieri .
I was wonder if anyone can confirm the name.
Thanks
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I have found a large clump of this crocus with a faded label Crocus olivieri ssp olivieri .
I was wonder if anyone can confirm the name.
Thanks
Yes, it is.
Janis
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Thanks Janis, There might be a bit of a hole in mum's garden now ;)
Susan
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A pretty clump, Susan.
What kind of soil type is it in mum's garden?
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Armin,
Mums garden is mostly made up of small terraces with dry stone dykes, the underlying soil is gravel, so is well drained. She only tidies up about once a year so there is always quite a lot of leaves etc on the surface as humus.
Susan
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Thanks Susan - good drainage and humus as top layer. That's certainly the secret of success. :D
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Can anyone help identify any of these Crocus please, they were all in a cemetery in Middlesex.
No. 1 was about the size of C. tommasinianus, but looks more like a C. vernus to me
No. 2 & 3 were growing in a mass of C. tommasinianus and were noticeably bigger though not nearly as big as the Dutch crocuses.
All the rest are large C. vernus Dutch-type crocuses. I guess many are probably unnamed seedlings, but would be interesting to know if any are named varieties.
Thanks for any help
Aaron
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I was in a garden today and saw a big blousy Dutch Crocus I lust after. It's a beauty and to my eye looks like a giant tommie. Anyone know if it is a named cultivar?
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Can anyone help identify any of these Crocus please, they were all in a cemetery in Middlesex.
No. 1 was about the size of C. tommasinianus, but looks more like a C. vernus to me
No. 2 & 3 were growing in a mass of C. tommasinianus and were noticeably bigger though not nearly as big as the Dutch crocuses.
All the rest are large C. vernus Dutch-type crocuses. I guess many are probably unnamed seedlings, but would be interesting to know if any are named varieties.
Thanks for any help
Aaron
Crocus vernus 1 - very heavy virus infection!!!
Janis
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Mark: Crocus vernus 'Remembrance'
Aaron: Looks like tommies and vernus have hybridised in this garden.
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Crocus vernus 1 - very heavy virus infection!!!
Janis
I'm not sure why I hadn't noticed that this one was virused. Thanks Janis!
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Aaron: Looks like tommies and vernus have hybridised in this garden.
Thomas
It is certainly very likely. Do you think that the first three are all tommie/vernus hybrids?
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Yes, I think so. They all have the small tommie leaves and the colourful vernus tubes.
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Yes, I think so. They all have the small tommie leaves and the colourful vernus tubes.
Thanks Thomas!
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Thanks Thomas. I saw a huge pot of Remembrance today at the Northern Ireland Daffodil Group early show. Very nice in my photo but very ugly when it is past it's best.
I got a first at the show for my pot of Crocus vernus ex Croatia.
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Mystery crocus?
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Guff,
i think, this is Crocus etruscus.
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I have lost the label of this pot of Crocus heuffelianus flowering today.
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Dirk thanks. In a few days I will see if I can get a better picture.
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Anthony Dark Wonder? Looked on the old forum. Is this the same?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/5012/24406.jpg
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I should have known that, especially as a crocus in a pot nearby is called 'Dark Eyes' and I have 'Carpathian Wonder' just coming out in a trough. Thanks.
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Tony D - I owe you a big thank-you! A couple of years ago you sent me a few small offsets from Carpathian Wonder. Today I found a flower ... damaged by a roving bumblebee but a flower! Thanks mate!!
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Delighted it is still with you. I'd forgotten I'd planted mine in a trough until I saw two flower buds today.
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I should have known that, especially as a crocus in a pot nearby is called 'Dark Eyes' and I have 'Carpathian Wonder' just coming out in a trough. Thanks.
It really looks as my DARK WONDER
Janis
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It was one you sent me Janis. 8)
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Found this flowering today on my lower lot.
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Found this flowering today on my lower lot.
It can be anything yellow, too little information seen - important to know - corm tunic, stigma at least!
Janis
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A very tiny Crocus (from the France Alps?). What is its name?
Hans
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A very tiny Crocus (from the France Alps?). What is its name?
Hans
That looks like Crocus versicolor. I think Hubi has seen it in the French alps, you might ask him to confirm.
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Hans,
I agree with Tony. Lovely C. versicolor. One of my favourites but this year not flowering in my meadow. :(
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What is the difference between the two veluchensis white forms?
1. emerges purest white
2. emerges pale grey/blue and changes to white in a few days but never pristine white
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What is the difference between the two veluchensis white forms?
1. emerges purest white
2. emerges pale grey/blue and changes to white in a few days but never pristine white
Looks like you've answered the question Mark ;)
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What is the difference between the two veluchensis white forms?
1. emerges purest white
2. emerges pale grey/blue and changes to white in a few days but never pristine white
I'm multiplying veluchensis by seed. There comes up deep purple (very little variation) and white forms - purest white and which start as very pale lilac, almost white and ends as white indistuingishable from other whites. See attached pictures. You can see seedlings marked with labels - for pure white, almost white and sometimes for some purple.
Janis
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Janis,
you grow your wonderful C. veluchensis in a quite peaty soil.
What is the reason for it?
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Armin- the ones we see here- even the populations on limestone -are always on a really humic soil- whether it be in woodland or grassland.
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Simon,
thank you for your observations from the wild.
Does C. veluchenis prefer a acidly/peaty humic soil? Which PH value is best for them, any experience?
Or is this less important as long as there is enough limestone and good drainage?
My soil PH value is ~7.5-7.8.
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Simon,
thank you for your observations from the wild.
Does C. veluchenis prefer a acidly/peaty humic soil? Which PH value is best for them, any experience?
Or is this less important as long as there is enough limestone and good drainage?
My soil PH value is ~7.5-7.8.
My base soil is quite heavy clay, improved by peat moss and coarse sand. But on picture you can see the mulch covering - 5 cm of peat moss to protect against frost, weeds and keep moisture level. pH I try to keep at 6.5, but sometimes it is more acid. Every 3rd year I try to give good dose of dolomite chalk. Annual mulching with acid peat moss lowers rhe pH.
Janis
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I am not sure of pH, Armin, as we don't have a pH meter, but Crocus veluchensis is more common here on soils over acidic rocks and we have seen it growing in open beech woodland as well as alpine grassland in these areas. The seed we collected on Mt Musala was from grassland between dwarfed pines. We have seen C.veluchensis in the Rodopi growing over limestone, but here the soils were very peaty from the build up of dead grasses and pine needles. In the rockier areas in between where the soil was thinner C.biflorus adamii was growing and we have not yet seen this species on an acidic soil.
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Janis,
thank you very much for the details and the reasons for mulching with peat moss. For sure your climate is harder then mine here and you have a need to protect your .
Do you target PH6.5 for all of your crocus beds or is this just valid for C. veluchensis?
I've spread out plenty of chalk on the meadow and the used compost for the raised beds is sightly alkaline too. I think I will have enough chalk buffer and will have no need for more dosis for the next years.
Simon,
thank you for the wild habitat description. It seems C. veluchensis is growing perfectly in slightly acid soil in the wild. I'll consider this and might add some peat moss as Janis do.
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Janis,
thank you very much for the details and the reasons for mulching with peat moss. For sure your climate is harder then mine here and you have a need to protect your .
Do you target PH6.5 for all of your crocus beds or is this just valid for C. veluchensis?
I've spread out plenty of chalk on the meadow and the used compost for the raised beds is sightly alkaline too. I think I will have enough chalk buffer and will have no need for more dosis for the next years.
Simon,
thank you for the wild habitat description. It seems C. veluchensis is growing perfectly in slightly acid soil in the wild. I'll consider this and might add some peat moss as Janis do.
It is too difficult to make special soil on open garden beds, so I use the medium optimum for most bulbs (6.5). The worst is neutral soil as well as too acidic. For example if pH on tulip beds drops below 5.5 you will never receive good size bulbs, they remain small. Higher level of pH as 7.5 is less dangerous than acid. Of course in pots I try to adapt soil for some special plants adding some chalk or some more peat, but in general 6.5 fits most of bulbs.
Janis
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Janis I'm going to dig it up when it dies down and move it to a better spot with good soil. I was just wondering which CHRYSANTHUS/BIFLORUS form/named it was. Thomas any ideas?
Heres another picture. A day or two past its prime, kinda forgot about it.
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This was bought as Vernus Graecus a couple years ago. Dirk said this was really Yalta, could someone post a picture of the real Graecus. Thanks.
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This was bought as Vernus Graecus a couple years ago. Dirk said this was really Yalta, could someone post a picture of the real Graecus. Thanks.
It looks as YALTA. Graecus still didn't started blooming. Will try to remember and picture it. Not at present in my picture gallery. It is quite lazy to flower in some seasons.
Janis
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I recieved this crocus as C danfordiae, it is a little large but flowers at the right time, apologies for the poor photograph, and thankyou to anyone who can confirm or correct the name.
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Peter - challenging photos! It could be C danfordiae but all that I have seen have very small flowers with segments which do not overlap when the flower opens wide. It has attractive markings on the petal reverses, looks like a member of the biflorus clan but C danfordiae ???
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Thanks Tony, it is lovely and I am very pleased with it but It's not what I expected. I'll keep the question mark on the label
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First flowers this spring caused some surprise. Any idea of what these crocuses are.
1 - Crocus vernus?
2,3 - a tommy?
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Hello Oleg
Yes to both of your mystery crocus. I think you are correct in your identification.
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Thank you, Tony. Pleased to receive your confirmation
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Hello Oleg
Yes to both of your mystery crocus. I think you are correct in your identification.
I could agree.
Janis
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Thanks, Janis.
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This is probably a terribly elemntary question.
This has been growing in our garden for 40-50 years planted by my mother in law.
What is it? Common Dutch yellow cultivar??
Cheers
Göte
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Hmmmmm..... well,Göte, it might have been an elementary question,if you had posted the picture; but without it, the question becomes altogether more esoteric! ;D :-X
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OOOps :-[ :-*
Göte
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Looks like the 'Dutch Yellow' that my mother has in her garden. It's been there 50 years at least.
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Here a picture from my brothers collection.This picture was allready posted on our Flemisch forum.
Some Belgian specialist tought that this Crocus were infected with the virus?
The leaves were perfectly normal,but there is some doubt with the flowers. .Could anyone help us please.Thanks for your help, also in the name of my brother Danny .
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Kris, Danny, I believe for sure this is virus. :'(
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One would have to say so, considering all the other crocus pics we've seen with darker streaking. A sad shame in what is otherwise a superbly coloured crocus.
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Looks like the 'Dutch Yellow' that my mother has in her garden. It's been there 50 years at least.
That is what I guessed. Thank you for the confirmation (It is a good cultivar by the way)
Cheers
<Göte
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Here a picture from my brothers collection.This picture was allready posted on our Flemisch forum.
Some Belgian specialist tought that this Crocus were infected with the virus?
The leaves were perfectly normal,but there is some doubt with the flowers. .Could anyone help us please.Thanks for your help, also in the name of my brother Danny .
Horrible virus infection, several viruses.
Janis
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Horrible virus infection, several viruses.
Janis
Kris, Danny, I believe for sure this is virus. :'(
Janis and Maggi , thanks for your advice! Now my brother has this confirmation ,he know that he must destroy this crocus.
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Janis I'm going to dig it up when it dies down and move it to a better spot with good soil. I was just wondering which CHRYSANTHUS/BIFLORUS form/named it was. Thomas any ideas?
Sorry for the late reply, Guff, I've bee noffline for two weeks.
But I can't help you with an ID. This crocus doesn't look like any cultivar I know.
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Hi crocophiles,
I think this C. goulmyi is virused. None of the other bulbs of this species that I've flowered have shown this streaking. I thought I'd double check before it headed to the bin.
Thanks Anita
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Hello Anita,
welcome to the croconuts pages. Your crocus does not look like an autuum flowering C. goulimyi which has a whitish stem.
Due to the form of style it looks more like a form of C. serotinous to me.
The streaks and deformed pedals can indicate virus but not always.
Before deciding heading to the bin - can you post a close picture of the flower to see anthers and style and the other 'good ones' for comparison?
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Hi Anita
Yes, I think you are right. It does look suspiciously like a virus infected flower. Also I agree with Armin, it looks like C serotinus which I find most susceptible to virus :'(
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Anita, it is undoubtedly virus infected. I last autumn and this spring destroyed several stocks of C. serotinus for virus infection seen on flowers and/or in spring on leaves.
Janis
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Armin, Tony and Janis,
Thanks for your advice. I didn't post another picture as it remained cloudy (but no rain) for the next three days and the flower went over without ever opening enough for a really decent shot of the style. However another flower opened from the same batch of corms and this flower was completely clean, so I have erred on the side of caution and tossed the suspect plant.
Anita
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Hi everyone, could someone id this crocus for me?
I have a shot looking down into the flower if required.
Thank you.
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Hi everyone, could someone id this crocus for me?
I have a shot looking down into the flower if required.
Thank you.
Doug , it is C. vernus , usually one the last ones to flower.
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hello,
first time I have some few crocus in my collection now,
but I estimate starting already with mislabelled plants.
this was bought as "C. laevigatus albus" ;D ;D
what might it be?
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101003-130054-952.jpg)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101003-130053-348.jpg)
this might be true as C. cancellatus ssp. pamphylicus (white anthers)?
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101003-130054-213.jpg)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101003-130054-68.jpg)
would be nice to hear your decisions :)
cheers
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Goofy, the first one is C. speciosus subsp. speciosus and the second one is C. pulchellus.
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Goofy, the first one is C. speciosus subsp. speciosus and the second one is C. pulchellus.
thank you Ibrahim,
thats NO GOOD NEWS :(
I severely hope that the other corms will be true
but I have some doubts now......... >:( >:(
cheers
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;D ;D ;DI have a pot labled banaticus alba x banaticus alba, C pulchellus is looking very pretty there, but no banaticus- either I mixed the lables or the seed was wrongly named :-\ good thing the other pots of banaticus are correct - including alba ;D ;D ;D
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I bought the crocus below as crocus nudiflorus, however all the other pictures I have seen show crocus nudiflorus without any leaves. I have crocus goulimyi and it flowers with leaves but this lacks the more goblet shape. Your identification would be apprecieted.
regards
Graeme Strachan
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The very dark tube looks like C. speciosus 'Oxonian,' likewise, the deep flower colour. However, dare I mention the V word? There seems to be some streaking present.
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Graeme - not good news I'm afraid. Doubt it is C speciosus which is as leafless at flowering as C nudiflorus. It might be C nudiflorus from the flower but with leaves like that I'd vote for the closely related C serotinus. However, like Lesley I think it looks to be virus infected. The flower has rather blotchy/streaky petals in that photo. They sometimes go a bit blotchy as they decay but that one looks pretty robust ... but not entirely healthy :'(
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Lesley/Tony - Thanks for responding.
Below is a picture of the corm I got last year. (a pretty miserable little corm)
Tony - I would agree with you that I don't think it's speciosus as they don't have leaves when they flower.
Regarding virus, it is an older flower and I did "tweak" the photo (as it wasn't quite in focus) and this has enhanced the "blotchyness" on the petals.
Graeme Strachan
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Graeme, nice to see some of your crocuses.
Angie :)
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I bought the crocus below as crocus nudiflorus, however all the other pictures I have seen show crocus nudiflorus without any leaves. I have crocus goulimyi and it flowers with leaves but this lacks the more goblet shape. Your identification would be apprecieted.
regards
Graeme Strachan
The blue one is 100% virus infected, at least few of whites, too.
Janis
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Lesley/Tony - Thanks for responding.
Below is a picture of the corm I got last year. (a pretty miserable little corm)
Tony - I would agree with you that I don't think it's speciosus as they don't have leaves when they flower.
Regarding virus, it is an older flower and I did "tweak" the photo (as it wasn't quite in focus) and this has enhanced the "blotchyness" on the petals.
Graeme Strachan
Hmm - not sure if the phot-editing removes the virus threat :-\
From what I can see of the corm tunic it looks to have some parallel fibres which fits with both C serotinus and C nudifllorus. No evidence of stoloniferous activity so more likely to be C serotinus.
The 'tatty' white flowers in which Janis suspects virus look to me like they are shrivelling with age ... if they emerged like that I would be concerned.
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Tony - The "tatty" white flowers were on their last legs but were beautiful earlier.
Thanks to all.
Graeme Strachan
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hello,
this plant was labelled C. cancellatus lycius.
can anybody state this?
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101019-140834-526.jpg)
cheers
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hello,
this plant was labelled C. cancellatus lycius.
can anybody state this?
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101019-140834-526.jpg)
cheers
Yes, it looks so - very branched style at level of anthers (not overtopping), white flowers.
Janis
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Dear All,
Identify please. i am new in to this site and begining to learn more about crocus .
thank you ,
kasun
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Hi Kasun, welcome to the Forum :D
This looks like Crocus speciosus.
Best to resize your images before posting them (ideally not more than about 800 pixels horizontally and 650 pixels vertically).
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hello,
this plant was labelled C. cancellatus lycius.
can anybody state this?
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20101019-140834-526.jpg)
cheers
Yes, it looks so - very branched style at level of anthers (not overtopping), white flowers.
Janis
tks Janis,
the first from that guy which are correct named :)
cheers
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Hello Kasun,
i think your species is Cr.cancellatus ssp.cancellatus.
The leaves comes in late autumn or spring.
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Hello Kasun,
i think your species is Cr.cancellatus ssp.cancellatus.
The leaves comes in late autumn or spring.
I agree with you, Dirk. Of course, better to know how looks corm tunics, but such stripes are more characteristic for C. cancellatus.
Janis
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Welcome to the forum, Kasun. That's a very nice, tall Crocus cancellatus ssp. cancellatus you have there.
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I thought this was Crocus hadriaticus but I'm not sure now. It looks like the anthers are forked too much. This Crocus is from north of Delphi in Greece from a field which is even called Krokus by the locals.
Any experts?
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I thought this was Crocus hadriaticus but I'm not sure now. It looks like the anthers are forked too much. This Crocus is from north of Delphi in Greece from a field which is even called Krokus by the locals.
Any experts?
Seem to be cancellatus subsp. mazziaricus.
Janis
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Thank you Janis.
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Together with my brother we bought this Crocus at te same time and place. It is labelled as Crocus oreocreticus...
They have both flowered but as you can see there is a difference between the two.Now we had a discussion on our Flemish forum ...
Which one is true or wrong? Could anyone help us please?
Edit by maggi: the last photo is full size and will not enlarge when clicked. Corrected!! 8)
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Together with my brother we bought this Crocus at te same time and place. It is labelled as Crocus oreocreticus...
They have both flowered but as you can see there is a difference between the two.Now we had a discussion on our Flemish forum ...
Which one is true or wrong? Could anyone help us please?
Edit by maggi: the last photo is full size and will not enlarge when clicked.
Sorry ,something goes wrong with the picture from my brother. I made a correction now and it is possible to enlarge now .
So ...anybody an idea ?
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I would say that picture no.3 is C. oreocreticus - though my identifications are frequently wrong! What is the external flower colour? C. oreocreticus is said by Mathew to have a "distinct silvery, whitish or buff overlay" externally.
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Allached are pictures of oreocreticus
Janis
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Thanks Gerry and Janis . Photo 3 looks in some way (some features) on the photos posted by janis. Still missing following aspects:
"Style divides at or just above the throat of the flower into three red branches." You can find this aspect (wich I found in a description of this oreocreticus )in pics 1 & 2 .
Or do we forgot this aspect with the three red branches?
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Thanks Gerry and Janis . Photo 3 looks in some way (some features) on the photos posted by janis. Still missing following aspects:
"Style divides at or just above the throat of the flower into three red branches." You can find this aspect (wich I found in a description of this oreocreticus )in pics 1 & 2 .
Or do we forgot this aspect with the three red branches?
Kris - according to Mathew the style branches are sometimes - rarely - yellow as in your plant. I had one with this colour several years ago. The colour on the outside of the flower is significant & clearly visible in Janis' pics.
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Any idea`s on this crocus,flowering today? Stamens are proud of closed bud before opening.
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Jim - I would say C. niveus.
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Kris - according to Mathew the style branches are sometimes - rarely - yellow as in your plant. I had one with this colour several years ago. The colour on the outside of the flower is significant & clearly visible in Janis' pics.
Many thanks Gerry .I was a few days out (flu) but I am back now.Our Flemish specialist -Hendrik Van Bogaert- also confirms that picture 3 is oreocreticus.
Picture 1 & 2 looks to him as hadriaticus.
So my brother can keep his labels and I have to change the label in aff.hadriaticus or even hadriaticus.
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In my posting of Crocus in Pots page 16, http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6079.225 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6079.225) the following was posted regarding the picture that I posted of what I thought was cancellatus ssp. cancellatus.
Graeme, your cancellatus should be subsp. mazziaricus to me!
Regarding cancellatus ssp. cancellatus, Mathew says: "Bract and bracteole white membranous, very unequal, the bracteole hidden within the tubular bract."
Regarding cancellatus ssp. mazziaricus, Mathew says "Bract and Bracteole unequal but the tip of the bracteole visible, exserted from the tubular bract"
The following are photos of the crocus concerned. Can anyone clarify what I have as I am a bit confused?
regards
Graeme Strachan
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I seem to have the same. Unfortunately, no idea of what it is. Obviously not Crocus cartwrightianus as it was received
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Too little details seen, but seem to be commercial C. cancellatus cilicicus which is subsp. cancellatus.
Janis
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Thank you, Janis. I'm affraid no more details will be available this year as it's going to be cold soon
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Janis, still I am not sure about this subsp. cancellatus. I have visited botanic garden of İstanbul University and NGBB botanical garden (special garden for turkish native bulbs) Director of this garden is an old prof. from üniversty. I checked specialy this subsp. There was not bracteole visible at all, outer petals have not dark stain like this and throat were looking yellowish. I have some other pics from other forum taken in wild, they also have not bracteole! and throath looks yellowish.
Here are my samples for two subspecieses. (my mazziaricus is not so dark because it is not selected at all)
If we could know original where it came so we can judge more?
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Janis, still I am not sure about this subsp. cancellatus. I have visited botanic garden of İstanbul University and NGBB botanical garden (special garden for turkish native bulbs) Director of this garden is an old prof. from üniversty. I checked specialy this subsp. There was not bracteole visible at all, outer petals have not dark stain like this and throat were looking yellowish. I have some other pics from other forum taken in wild, they also have not bracteole! and throath looks yellowish.
Here are my samples for two subspecies. (my mazziaricus is not so dark because it is not selected at all)
If we could know original where it came so we can judge more?
Ibrahim & Oleg
On your pictures (Oleg's) seem to be pictured commercially available form of Crocus cancellatus, known as cancellatus cilicicus. By Brian Mathew this form belongs to subsp. cancellatus. I checked it several years ago and found that in this stock position of bract and bracteole is quite variable from season to season and betwen specimens. Original stock (from Dutch company) turned virus infected and was destroyed after the first seed crop and now I have its seedlings - quite uniform in color, only back color in some specimens is darker but I didn't check more position of bracteole. It is the single form of cancellatus growable here in open garden, so I suppose that Oleg's plants belong to the same form (cilicicus).
Janis
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Here is few pictures of cancellatus cilicicus seedlings. Note the dark color of style, same as on Oleg's pictures.
Janis
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Thanks again, Janis. It does grow in the open garden and flowers late October - early November here.
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Thank you very much Janis. These original Dutch crocuses usualy have somethings unkown.
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Can anyone ID this for me, from near Leonidi in the Peloponnese.
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Pat,
your crocus is a C. boryi. Melvyn posted recently also some from Corfu.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6194.60 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6194.60)
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Pat, I agree with Armin that your crocus is C. boryi, but there's a slight chance, that your plant is C. laevigatus, which I have seen on the way to Leonidi, looking exactly like boryi above the surface. To be sure I need a photo of the corm.
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Thank you both for your replies. I was undecided between the two but there was something about it that made me think it was not the same as the thousands of boryi that we saw. I will post a picture of the corm when I get a chance, Thanks again.
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Is this a blue niveus?
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Is this Crocus biflorus ssp melantherus
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Yep!
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Yes to both?
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Yep!
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thanks Thomas
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Is this a blue niveus?
I initially thought C. serotinus - I've never seen C. niveus with that colour - but on second thoughts I'm inclined to agree with Thomas. Whatever it is, it looks as though it may be virused.
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Is this a blue niveus?
I initially thought C. serotinus - I've never seen C. niveus with that colour - but on second thoughts I'm inclined to agree with Thomas. Whatever it is, it looks as though it may be virused.
I will inspect them closely tomorow
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Does anybody know if C. niveus can cross with C. goulimyi (or C. longiflorus)?
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Does anybody know if C. niveus can cross with C. goulimyi (or C. longiflorus)?
I would be doubtful, certainly I have not encountered such crosses. I raise a lot of crocus from my own seed. I do not make deliberate crosses but the bees certainly pass the pollen around between many different taxa. I get intermediate forms between C goulimyi goulimyi and C goulimyi lecanthus (if you accept them as truly different taxa at all!) and between different forms of other crocuses. I suspect that some of the C cartwrightianus I have raised are crossed with C oreocreticus or perhaps C hadriaticus but these are much more closely related taxa. My raisings of C niveus and C longiflorus show no sign of crossing with other taxa at all.
So going back to your question, never say never but I doubt it!
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Does anybody know if C. niveus can cross with C. goulimyi (or C. longiflorus)?
I don't think.
Janis
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Thanks Tony & Janis.
I got inspired to ask after having looked at Mark's lovely blue C. niveus which is extraordinary dark blue and has an unusual short style...
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This is Crocus 'Vanguard', it's a classic one, i know. But is this correct, this is the product between Crocus tommasinianus and Crocus vernus?
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Hello Frankie,
to my knowledge 'Vanguard' is a selection from Van Tubergen from C. vernus ssp. vernus.
But other sources say it is likely a hybrid with C. tommasinianus.
As with many other old cultivars the documentation available is quite poor, often contrary which makes it difficult to judge.
Anyway it is a nice cultivar worth to keep. Btw does your 'Vanguard' set regular seed?
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Thanks Armin for the information. No seed at all from this 'Vanguard'.
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This is Crocus 'Vanguard', it's a classic one, i know. But is this correct, this is the product between Crocus tommasinianus and Crocus vernus?
Just found your question here Frankie.
You might have a look here
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1331.msg36122#msg36122 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1331.msg36122#msg36122)
On these pages you will find many more bulbs which are mostly right to name.
And if you have the time, then have a look at Reply 57 of this same thread and you will find out how I came to the text in my avatar :)
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Thanks Armin for the information. No seed at all from this 'Vanguard'.
Frankie,
that is in line with my observation, too. Vanguard only set sporadically seed. Not sure they are viable and come true.
Luit,
one of of your master treats! ;) 8) 8) 8) Always a source of enlightment. ;D
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I would appreciate some help in identifying these Crocus from Northern Greece. The first photo, NGCrocus1, was taken yesterday and then NGCrocus2 was taken today showing the smaller bud in flower.
NGCrocus3 is another species photographed today.
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NG1 - need to see corm tunic or inside flower. Favour C chrysanthus from the prominent papery bract.
NG2 - Typical C flavus anthers and style.
NG3 - Looks like C chrysanthus from the anthers, style and petal shape.
My first C chrysanthus will open on the next mild day - will post a comparison pic then. They are raised from N Greece seed.
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Many thanks for your help Tony.With both species there is quite a variation in the depth of colour, I look forward to seeing a photo of your plants.
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Can anyone help me with this lovely clump from the garden (not taken this year) I'm afraid the blackbirds have been redistributing the labels again.
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Shelagh,
your crocus includes some C. vernus genes. They are either a form of C. vernus or a hybrid with C. tommasinianus (i.e. 'dark stem' version 'Whitewell Purple' or 'Ruby Giant').
Does they set seed?
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Yes, it could be C. 'Ruby Giant'. These are photos of last year, they normally bloom in march and they never set seed.
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Frankie,
yes C. tommasinianus 'Ruby Giant' never sets seed - it is a sterile clone.
Most DSCs have some troubles to reproduce the true color especial when photographed in sunshine which is more dark violet with a lighter base inside.
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I grow all my crocuses (or croci??) in the garden. Do you recognize some ;D (This is from last spring, not now unfortunately :( )
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I grow all my crocuses (or croci??) in the garden. Do you recognize some ;D (This is from last spring, not now unfortunately :( )
How nice to see them in your garden in such good drifts, thank you :)
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Let me guess! ;D
C. tommasinianus, C. vernus 'Remembrance', 'Flower Record', 'Grand Maitre', 'Jeanne d'Arc', 'Pickwick', 'King of the striped', C. flavus x angustifolius 'Yellow Mammoth',
I'm not sure but maybe C. tommasinianus 'Yalta', C. chrysanthus 'Fuscotinctus', C. chrysanthus 'Miss Vain', G. nivalis (Oh ??? no crocus ;D)...
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Let me guess! ;D
C. tommasinianus, C. vernus 'Remembrance', 'Flower Record', 'Grand Maitre', 'Jeanne d'Arc', 'Pickwick', 'King of the striped', C. flavus x angustifolius 'Yellow Mammoth',
I'm not sure but maybe C. tommasinianus 'Yalta', C. chrysanthus 'Fuscotinctus', C. chrysanthus 'Miss Vain', G. nivalis (Oh ??? no crocus ;D)...
I think you get about 10 points ;D but there are more - I have lost count of them :o
However, a lot of the plants are natural hybrid swarms. They set seeds every year and seedlings appear everywhere :)
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A slope like that is perfect for a bulb meadow, Trond... you are a lucky man, you must have bulbs flowering there from spring through summer, eh?
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A slope like that is perfect for a bulb meadow, Trond... you are a lucky man, you must have bulbs flowering there from spring through summer, eh?
Yes, I know - sometimes :D Bulbs and corms (and weeds ;)) flower excessively till I mow early-mid June.
Common weeds are dandelion and Veronica filiformis.
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I grow all my crocuses (or croci??) in the garden. Do you recognize some ;D (This is from last spring, not now unfortunately :( )
Very, very nice :o. What a lovely sight. That's spring!
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Thank you Armin. As to whether it sets seed I must admit I have never grovelled low enough to find out, it is spreading very nicely as it is. Though why it is called RUBY Giant I don't know since it is a wonderful shade of mauve/purple.
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Shelagh,
I don't know any reasons for naming 'Ruby Giant' by Roozen-Kramer in 1956.
I deduce 'Giant' stands for larger growth compared with an ordinary tommie and 'Ruby' for the color change (violet to reddish) when you look through a flower against full sunshine. Color is similar to the (bad) color reproduction of my old DSC.
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Quite a difference Armin. I had hoped that we had got rid of the differing shades of purple/blue with digital cameras but I'm afraid we seem open to even more variables. How the camera sees it, how your computer screen sees it and then if you use it in a talk how the projector sees it. Ah well that's progress for you. ::)
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Shelagh,
quite right but I don't want a discussion on DSC color reproduction.
I would recommend to look at your 'Ruby Giant' flowers in full sunshine and shadow. Then you will see the color shades and the fine gloss I tried to show with my two images.
The color is different to any other tommie cultivar I know. Very lovely.
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Does anyone know this ?chrysanthus
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Mark,
is the color true?
It resembles 'Romance' in bud stage.
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Armin from memory that is the true colour
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Colours can be so deceptive in photos..... never mind changing light conditions.... Hubi's 'Romance' pix are here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5060.msg138224#msg138224
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Mark,
if your memory and color is correct then I don't know any matching CV.
Perhaps, do you have a photo of the open flower?
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Mark,
is the color true?
It resembles 'Romance' in bud stage.
I'm not growing chrysanthus cultivars for more than 20 years, but yours, Armin, I think, don't look as Romance, as I remember it. Mark's picture seem to be closer to Romance.
Janis
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Janis,
mine is 'Romance' - I'm confident. ;)
Another picture taken in full sunshine.
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Janis,
mine is 'Romance' - I'm confident. ;)
Another picture taken in full sunshine.
Armin I can understand that Janis is doubting. The first picture is rather "whitish" and the second in full sun is very yellow.
Here is the one from the Conn. Collection:
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Luit,
the 'very yellow' effect is the flowers had just opened and photographed in brightest daylight.
As many other cultivars the color is fading with age (as visible in Thomas Huber reference pictures). 'Romance' is lovely and very vigourous.
My final statement is Mark's photo show 'Romance', too. The outside color of the shots appear on my screen with a touch of too much 'pink' which made me doubt for a moment. Probably related to the enviromental light conditions.
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could somebody id this for me please
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I think this is C. ancyrensis.
But to be sure we must know about the corm (reticulate corm for C. ancyrensis).
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could somebody id this for me please
Crocus Dave? :P
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could somebody id this for me please
Crocus Dave? :P
David ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D fair made me chuckle
Thank you Ibrahim its what i thought.
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Janis,
mine is 'Romance' - I'm confident. ;)
Another picture taken in full sunshine.
Armin I can understand that Janis is doubting. The first picture is rather "whitish" and the second in full sun is very yellow.
Here is the one from the Conn. Collection:
Today checked my old slides - yes it is ROMANCE. My slides are the same - on one it is light creamy, on other yellow.
Janis
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Is this korolkowii? It is in a pot without a label. Sorry I forgot to take a photo of the inside
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Yes Mark - it looks like the one Art showed recently under the name 'Dark Throat'
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Is this korolkowii? It is in a pot without a label. Sorry I forgot to take a photo of the inside
Yes, it is korolkowii. Colour + number of leaves. Cv. name - difficult to tell not seeing inside, but it must be Dark Throat.
Janis
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yes my Crocus has a dark throat.
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Looking at Thomas excellent reference photos I belive this is not chrysanthus Canary Bird.
The flowers are quite small.
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Mark,
your sample is not matching to any yellow chrysanthus cv I'm familiar with. It is not Canary bird, right.
Do you have a picture from the top to see style and anthers?
What is the pedal lenght ? 'Quite small' is a relative term...
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ID please. I got this as Crocus vernus graecus.
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Michael,
I can't judge the size of this crocus from your image by my first thought is it is Janis cv. C. tommasinianus x C. x cultorum 'Yalta'.
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Thanks Armin, It looks like that one ok but this one did not come from Janis, it is from another source that are usually not correctly named.
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Michael,
'Yalta' is a nice cultivar and now widely available. I like it.
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Hi,
This will probably be an easy one for you crocus experts, and I suspect it might be C. Tommasinianus but am not sure. The bud, and then flower, start off very pale blue, darkening with age. The picture shows it shows it at its darkest, more or less. It blooms early here, normally in March, but will be later this year as they have just started appearing, in spite of there still being frost in the ground most places in the garden. It clumps nicely here, but I would not call it aggressive in any way. I got it from a friend who found it in a protected corner of the "remains" of his grandmother's garden at least ten years after the house was torn down to make way for an industrial site. His grandparents were in that house from about 1920; and I doubt if the garden has been worked after 1980.
Knud
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Hi Knud
Good to meet you again here. Seems a long time since the Glasgow Discussion weekend.
I think you have indeed got Crocus tommasinianus. I don't think it is one of the named forms, just the 'species'. I have many in the garden here and like them just as much as any of the so-called special forms. It seeds around freely here.
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Hi,
This will probably be an easy one for you crocus experts, and I suspect it might be C. Tommasinianus but am not sure. The bud, and then flower, start off very pale blue, darkening with age. The picture shows it shows it at its darkest, more or less. It blooms early here, normally in March, but will be later this year as they have just started appearing, in spite of there still being frost in the ground most places in the garden. It clumps nicely here, but I would not call it aggressive in any way. I got it from a friend who found it in a protected corner of the "remains" of his grandmother's garden at least ten years after the house was torn down to make way for an industrial site. His grandparents were in that house from about 1920; and I doubt if the garden has been worked after 1980.
Knud
Could be vernus, too - check leaves. If they are 2-3 mm wide - it is tommasinianus, if 4 mm or wider - vernus.
Janis
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Good morning Tony,
Thank you for your reply, good to have the identity confirmed. I found it amazing how this crocus had managed to hang on for so long in a small undisturbed spot with quite heavy industrial activity all around. I have it growing against a tree stump, I will split the clump this year and move it to a few places in the garden. I remember your pictures of crocus lawns at the Discussion Weekend in Glasgow, something to aim for. It was a good weekend, like the other two I have been to; very enjoyable, lots to learn, and always an inspiration.
Well, I am off to eigth less enjoyable hours in front of the PC,
Thanks again,
Knud
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Good morning to you too Janis,
-we must have crossed in the air. I did get a warning before posting, but being a Newbie I didn't take the chance on leaving my "post"; I must read the instruction book. Thank you for the identifying characteristics, I will check and measure leaf size when they appear, and get down on the ground to take some better photographs. Given the cold spell we are having I think that will be quite a few weeks still. I gather you are much worse off with this cold than we are, I wish you good luck, and hope it will not be too destructive.
Thanks again,
Knud
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Can you confirm these, please.
The first one is probably Atticus ssp. sublimis ? from the Peloponnese in 2007.
The other one came from AGS seed labelled Vernus in 99. You have to have patience in this game as it was flowering for the first time last week.
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Can you confirm these, please.
The first one is probably Atticus ssp. sublimis ? from the Peloponnese in 2007.
The other one came from AGS seed labelled Vernus in 99. You have to have patience in this game as it was flowering for the first time last week.
Second picture by habitus, flower shape - typical angustifolius.
Janis
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Jim,
you might be right that your first image is a beautiful form of C. atticus.
But subsp. sublimis? - possible but difficult to judge from your image and without study of corm tunics.
Please check: Is the throat glabrous or pubescent? Bract and bracteole equal or unequal in lenght? This may help us further.
I find the dark stem of your sample unusual. I've not seen / I'm not aware of that feature on C. atticus.
Your sample seem to have no yellow center, too (just reflection of yellow pollen in the throat?).
Could both be a hint of some hybrid with C. veluchensis?
If you have a top view image of the open flower would be interesting to see.
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Has anyone any idea what I have here? It has lightly speckled outer petals and a white style.
It grew from one of the three corms below - the other two haven't flowered yet.
thanks
Graeme
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Graeme
Is the flower quite small? It looks almost white with a hint of blue perhaps due to the stippling. I have grown something similar under the name Crocus biflorus isauricus for about 20 years. The plant I grow came from a members sales table at an AGS show in the N of England so I do not know more about it than the name on the label. It has flowers only 1-2cm across on quite long tubes and in many ways looks like Crocus danfordiae.
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Tony,
Yes, it is quite small and yes with the short style and stippling, I thought at first it might be danfordiae, however the petal shape does not look right for danfordiae. It has the palest of blue appearance on the outer petals.
More pictures of the same one.
Graeme
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I'd say we have the same thing. Crocus biflorus isauricus is variable (aren't they all ;D) but this one is not much like all the others I grow so I lean towards C danfordiae but with reservations!
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What about throat! white or yellow? I can't see on picture some thimes it is reflecting?
On my archive all C. danfordiae pics taken in wild with yellow throat and short red style.
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Has anyone any idea what I have here? It has lightly speckled outer petals and a white style.
It grew from one of the three corms below - the other two haven't flowered yet.
thanks
Graeme
It seem to be some albino - so identification without seeing the plant in vivo is absolute nightmare.
From where it comes - another important question.
Size of corms, allow to think about danfordiae, but leaves seem to be too wide.
Looking for biflorus subsp. - some albino punctatus - but again - leaves seem to be too wide, although position of style to anthers respond to this subsp. .
So by me from features visible on picture most likely could be pale taurii with white stigma. Such are foundable in some populations of various subspecies.
White stigmatic branches has leucostylosus, but its throat usually is more sharply defined and far deeper yellow, corm tunics are different, too.
Janis
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Tony,
Yes, it is quite small and yes with the short style and stippling, I thought at first it might be danfordiae, however the petal shape does not look right for danfordiae. It has the palest of blue appearance on the outer petals.
More pictures of the same one.
Graeme
After seeing additional pictures my opinion is that most likely it is C. danfordiae - the scale comparing with stamps on background shows that leaves are really narrow and size of flower is very small. I don't know other alternative at present. I didn't saw danfordiae with white stigma, but that don't mean that such plants can't exist due huge variability in colour.
Janis
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Tony, Janis and ibrahim
Below are another couple of pictures of scale and its throat(I spoilt it a bit when I pollenated it) which is very pale yellow.
Graeme
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Tony, Janis and ibrahim
Below are another couple of pictures of scale and its throat(I spoilt it a biy when I pollenated it) which is very pale yellow.
Graeme
My opinion - danfordiae.
Janis
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Yes, for me also this is a C. danfordiae, but off the right road.
I want to know if it is increased allways by vegetative or seeds?
Maybe Tony has experience!
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Tony, Janis and ibrahim,
Thank you very much for your expertise and clarification. A C. danfordiae it is. (albeit a strange one)
regards
Graeme
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Yes, for me also this is a C. danfordiae, but off the right road.
I want to know if it is increased allways by vegetative or seeds?
Maybe Tony has experience!
Both - mostly seed and it breeds true, no variation.
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Many thanks Janis and Armin,
Armin-- unfortunately, flower is over now but have posted some other views , Jim
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Can anybody put a name to this Crocus?
Herbert from frozen Austria
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Many thanks Janis and Armin,
Armin-- unfortunately, flower is over now but have posted some other views , Jim
Jim,
I'd like to revise my opinion. In the second picture is some yellow and cv. sublimis 'Tricolor' has also a dark stem (buds visible in my lawn).
So I think is true ssp. sublimis -pretty nice anyway.
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Can anybody put a name to this Crocus?
Herbert from frozen Austria
Herbert,
there are 2 to 3 candidates I have in mind. If spring flowerer then first thought C. paschei (but leaves in your sample are very thin compared to pictures of reference samples I have). Or second, close ally C.adanensis (but has no yellow center).
If third flowered in autuum C. caspius.
Can you provide us some background of the picture? Was the picture taken in the wild?
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I got this crocus at the 2009 Discussion Weekend as small corms. They were labelled Crocus vernus heuffelianus but do not look correct.
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No, heuffelianus has no yellow throat. Looks more like sieberi.
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I got this crocus at the 2009 Discussion Weekend as small corms. They were labelled Crocus vernus heuffelianus but do not look correct.
Agree with Martin - sieberi, probably ssp atticus, perhaps one of the named clones of commerce - Firefly or Violet Queen?
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Thanks for your help Armin!
The picture was taken in the garden von Feb. 25!
It was collected wild many years ago in the Antalya region - do not remember the exact location!
It is one of the first to flower here in my garden!
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Thanks Martin and Tony. Another label to change. I wish people would check id before passing on bulbs, plants and seed though I suppose I have been guilty too. I do try now not to pass on anything I am unsure of or cannot identify without warning the recipient.
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Thanks for your help Armin!
The picture was taken in the garden von Feb. 25!
It was collected wild many years ago in the Antalya region - do not remember the exact location!
It is one of the first to flower here in my garden!
Herbert,
the location to my knowledge is not matching with C. paschei which growth distribution is more east of taurus mountains.
Another possiblity I think now is a pale form of C. biflorus ssp. isauricus. The small leaves would support this.
Can you post a picture of the outside?
Does it have stripes or basal blotch or is it finely speckled?
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I can't find this crocus in Janis' book, and have lost the label. I'm starting to wonder if it is a crocus actually. Any help much appreciated.
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No wonder, Chris. It's not a crocus, it's a colchicum.
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Oleg beat me to it with his reply (we must have posted within seconds of each other) so mine is now superfluous, but I can't find a way to remove it. I'm sure we used to be able to delete our posts, but now all we seem able to do is modify. Any suggestions, Maggi?
Edit by maggi: Martin,you are correct, there is only the modify button available now.
I have removed your post for you.
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I did wonder about that, so it must be C. soboliferum. The only other one I have is autumnale and I know where that one is... Thanks folks, its cleared that up nicely. Label here we come...
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I did wonder about that, so it must be C. soboliferum. The only other one I have is autumnale and I know where that one is... Thanks folks, its cleared that up nicely. Label here we come...
Chris, it doesn't look quite right for C soboliferum. Can you show another picture of the side view of the flower? If is C soboliferum the tepals are quite narrow and not joined at the base, and the flower tends to "fall apart" as it ages.
From the top yours looks more like C hungaricum.
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I got this crocus at the 2009 Discussion Weekend as small corms. They were labelled Crocus vernus heuffelianus but do not look correct.
It certainly isn't heuffelianus.
Janis
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Yippee Janis is back ;D
John B
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Diane,
Here are two side shots, best I could do I'm afraid. They are starting to go over a bit.
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Here are two side shots, best I could do I'm afraid. They are starting to go over a bit.
Chris, that is fine, yes they do now look like C soboliferum, with petals that are not joined at the base and fall apart. It is an unusual pink colour for the species, I have only ever had them in white.
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Could somebody id this crocus for me it was bought as Crocus Napolitanus,but i am not sure,also could you tell me if you see any virus on it please.
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Could somebody id this crocus for me it was bought as Crocus Napolitanus,but i am not sure,also could you tell me if you see any virus on it please.
Hmm - not like the plant I grow with that (invalid) name. It might well be C vernus which is the umbrella name for this plant and other similar ones. However it is difficult to be sure.
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Is my Lady Killer biflorus? All three photos are of the same Crocus
Just ignore the name of the first image
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Is my Lady Killer biflorus? All three photos are of the same Crocus
Just ignore the name of the first image
WHY ignore the name on the first image? It is the correct one ;D
'Lady Killer' is a white form with dark purple outers.
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Oh, Lady Killer is a C. biflorus cultivar?
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Oh, Lady Killer is a C. biflorus cultivar?
Yep!
Looks like this ...
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actually now I'm confused. ::)
The Crocus photo I labelled biflorus Weldenii Fairy is correct? The other two photos are of the same pot full except the flowers are now bleached. I bought these at a garden centre as chrysanthus lady Killer
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Yes - all three are 'Fairy'.
You got a good deal - I'd say that C biflorus weldenii 'Fairy' is less often seen than 'Lady Killer' .... but someone else may know better!
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Is this correct: Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' is a cross between C. ssp. Atticus en C.ssp. Sieberi ?
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Is this correct: Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' is a cross between C. ssp. Atticus en C.ssp. Sieberi ?
Yes, 'Hubert Edelsten' is hybrid between Crocus sieberi from Crete and Crocus atticus from mainland Greece. I only don't know which one is pollen parent. As interspecific hybrids usually are, this one is sterile, too.
Janis
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Is this correct: Crocus sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' is a cross between C. ssp. Atticus en C.ssp. Sieberi ?
Yes, 'Hubert Edelsten' is hybrid between Crocus sieberi from Crete and Crocus atticus from mainland Greece. I only don't know which one is pollen parent. As interspecific hybrids usually are, this one is sterile, too.
Janis
Thanks Janis.
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Hello,
a second try with my unidentified Crocus from the Antalya area - this time more advanced and with leaves
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identify please?
kasun
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Kasun,
your unknown resembles C. tommasinianus 'Pictus'.
Herbert,
I have no other ideas then those I mentioned.
When dormant you can check the corm tunics to possibly identify your unknown.
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Hello,
a second try with my unidentified Crocus from the Antalya area - this time more advanced and with leaves
It is biflorus, but which subspecies - impossible from picture only.
Janis
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Can anyone identify this Crocus sp.
I would be very grateful for your help.
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Hello Franz,
looks like Crocus sieberi ( atticus ) 'Firefly'.
A good grower and set not seed.
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Hello Udo,
Thank you, I assumed it.
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Could be vernus, too - check leaves. If they are 2-3 mm wide - it is tommasinianus, if 4 mm or wider - vernus.
Janis
Janis and Tony,
About six weeks ago you helped in identifying my C. tommasinianus, with one question remaining: the width of the leaves. It has been in bud for about two weeks now, and bloomed this last weekend when the temperature crept up to 7-8 C in the sun. I measured the leaf width, and it is 2-3 mm, definitely not 4 mm and wider, so the conclusion is that it is a tommasinianus. I have included three pictures of it, first in bud ten days ago, then in bloom three days ago, then a closeup. It is a very robust crocus, certainly when compared to the much daintier one I bought as C. tommasinianus some years ago, and shown in the fourth picture.
Knud
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Hello Franz,
looks like Crocus sieberi ( atticus ) 'Firefly'.
A good grower and set not seed.
I have to thank you, Udo, for posting this reply, and Franz for posting your nice 'Firefly' pictures. I think your postings have helped identified one of my mystery crocusses, - what do you think?
Knud
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Could be vernus, too - check leaves. If they are 2-3 mm wide - it is tommasinianus, if 4 mm or wider - vernus.
Janis
Janis and Tony,
About six weeks ago you helped in identifying my C. tommasinianus, with one question remaining: the width of the leaves. It has been in bud for about two weeks now, and bloomed this last weekend when the temperature crept up to 7-8 C in the sun. I measured the leaf width, and it is 2-3 mm, definitely not 4 mm and wider, so the conclusion is that it is a tommasinianus. I have included three pictures of it, first in bud ten days ago, then in bloom three days ago, then a closeup. It is a very robust crocus, certainly when compared to the much daintier one I bought as C. tommasinianus some years ago, and shown in the fourth picture.
Knud
It looks within the range of C tommasinianus but if it is much larger than the 'dainty' form perhaps it is a hybrid with C vernus. I have seen such hybrids in the local cemetery where big populations of both species grow. Some resemble C tommasinianus but are almost twice the size of 'normal' tommasinianus - these are the hybrids.
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Thank you again, Tony. It is not unlikely that there were also C. vernus in the old garden where my crocus came from. I will check more carefully than "robust" and "dainty", and see if I can get some comparative pictures tomorrow. It has been very encouraging how well all but the autumn flowering crocusses have done in our garden the last four years, with the two wettest and two coldest winters on record. I must try out more species.
Knud
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Knud,
I think too it is a hybrid with C vernus.
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Here is some more detail of the 'robust' (below ruler in picture 1) and the 'dainty' (above ruler) tommasinianus. Both plants are about average size for their groups, which grow less than two meters apart. The robust one is only slightly taller than the dainty, but its flower is almost twice the size, as shown in pictures 2 and 3. The leaves are similar, both 2-3 mm wide and the robust slightly darker green. What I noticed when I went to pick them today (and hadn't noticed before), was that in the robust group more than half had two flowers from each plant, but in the dainty group all plants had single flowers. The double flowers make the stem look more robust than it really is, so the most significant difference between the two is the size of the flower.
Knud
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A nice hybrid it is!
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Thank you, Tony, much appreciated!
Knud
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Unknown yellow that I had posted last year.
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I received this Crocus as Crocus nevadensis. It doesn't stick to the description. Is it C.tommasinianus?
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Oleg,
they are no nevadensis for sure. It could be tommasinianus as you supposed, however, the images are not good to make a definitive judgement.
It looks the leaves have been covered long and are bleached, right?
The withish style is strange for a tommy...
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Unknown yellow that I had posted last year.
Guff,
do you have an image of the open flower to see style and anthers and flower center?
If not - I would say it is a nice chrysanthus hybrid. The outside marking is not matching any of the cultivars I know.
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Thanks, Armin. It's a bit smaller than any tomassinianus I have
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Crocophiles,
Not really an identity issue... just need a validation on disease diagnosis.
Some Crocus acquired this year are flowering for the first time and they look virused to me. They are supposed to be Crocus etruscus Zwanenberg
not that the id matters .. if they are virused they must come out. Is my diagnosis correct?
The flowers on one corm are obviously distorted and the other flower is less dramatically affected but shows striping on the petals.
Your advice appreciated. Anita
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I think you are correct, Anita... they have to go.
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Thanks Maggi! Job for tomorrow.
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Anita . I had the same virused stock of C. etruscus 'Zwanenberg' from a commercial grower here.
also received this this C. chrys . Snowbunting ' which I think must be some other variety - could it be C. chrys . 'Ard Schenk' ? grateful for an ID.
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Hello Otto,
to my eyes it is 'Ard Schenk',too. 'Ard Schenk' has yellow anthers and usually lacks the black basal lobes tips of the very similar but overall smaller flowering 'Aubade'. See also the references from Thomas: http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5060.15 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5060.15)
'Ard Schenk' is a reliable bloomer and durable cultivar with me in my meadow.
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I'm really lousy at species identification so could someone help me out with this please? It was originally an 'escapee' from Tony Willis' plunge which he kindly passed on to me.
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I'm really lousy at species identification so could someone help me out with this please? It was originally an 'escapee' from Tony Willis' plunge which he kindly passed on to me.
That Tony Willis is a star isn't he ;D.I dont know the name but its very nice.
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Thank you David,having conferred with Mrs W. she agrees, but as you well know I get some super things back
and indeed have had two packets this week. It is good to share.
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I'm really lousy at species identification so could someone help me out with this please? It was originally an 'escapee' from Tony Willis' plunge which he kindly passed on to me.
serotinus ssp.salzmannii,it looks similar to what Udo has posted in the crocus thread David
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I'm really lousy at species identification so could someone help me out with this please? It was originally an 'escapee' from Tony Willis' plunge which he kindly passed on to me.
serotinus ssp.salzmannii,it looks similar to what Udo has posted in the crocus thread David
Dave, thanks for that. That would have been my guess, if I'd made one! :-\
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Hello,
could that be C thomasii?
Thanks for your help!
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Yes Herbert,
this look like Cr.thomasii.
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I'm not sure, but I think this is Crocus laevigatus, I bought it this year from Janis Ruksans.
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It could be Crocus laevigatus but it looks like Crocus boryi to me. They can be very similar but the pure white petals are more typical of C boryi which is usually larger than C laevigatus. Lovely, whatever it is.
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Thanks Dirk for your confirmation!
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This unusual flower has appeared in the last few days from JJA Caspius seed 2002.Is it a natural freak or caused by a virus. Other flowers in the same pot are normal.
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Jım,
This can be seen often in the crocuses even in the wild. It will flower normally next year.
I don't know exactly the reason but it is not a virus.
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This unusual flower has appeared in the last few days from JJA Caspius seed 2002.Is it a natural freak or caused by a virus. Other flowers in the same pot are normal.
Of course it isn't virus. Large, well grown crocus corms sometimes forms additional petals in flower, but it isn't permanent feature (usually). There are some cultivars were 8 or more petals regularrly appear, but again - only on well grown large corms.
Janis
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This unusual flower has appeared in the last few days from JJA Caspius seed 2002.Is it a natural freak or caused by a virus. Other flowers in the same pot are normal.
Of course it isn't virus. Large, well grown crocus corms sometimes forms additional petals in flower, but it isn't permanent feature (usually). There are some cultivars were 8 or more petals regularrly appear, but again - only on well grown large corms.
Janis
This sort of phenomenon - the multiplication of elements - is quite common in flowers with radial (rotational) symmetry & seems to be a consequence of some kind of disturbance during development. It also occurs in animals with the same kind of symmetry e.g., starfish. Those interested may like to track down the old book by William Bateson, Materials for the Study of Variation which gives many examples of this & related phenomena. Although the book was first published in 1894, there is a modern reprint.
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I have two crocus in flower at the moment, the first I think may be C. cartwrightianus, at least I did get this from somewhere, but don't know source, the second I'm really not sure about. Any help will be much appreciated.
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Hello Chris
You are probably right about the first one, it does look like C cartwrightianus. Whatever it is, it is flowering well!
The second is definitely Crocus goulimyi.
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Thanks Tony, I'll put labels in now so I know in future. The C. cartwrightianus clump has come up really well this year, much better now its in the ground rather than pots.
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A couple of years ago I dropped some small corms I was re-potting and these got mixed up. I kept the labels and potted them up individually. I have a couple of labels for autumn flowering ones without foliage but I wonder whether either are correct. The labels are C cancellatus ssp lycius and ssp mazzaricus. Does anyone have a view please? ???
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Ian,
This is not a C. cancellatus lycus or mazziaricus.
It seems to me like a C. gilanicus. a pale forms.
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Yep - definitely Crocus gilanicus.
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Ian,
This is not a C. cancellatus lycus or mazziaricus.
It seems to me like a C. gilanicus. a pale forms.
Yep - definitely Crocus gilanicus.
Thanks fellas new label now being made out
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Colleagues, help!
This Crocus obtained 30 years ago from a collector. I ordered Crocus speciosus, a place he sent was a little crumpled bag, illegibly signed - Crocus sp. I thought that this is the abbreviated spelling Crocus cpeciosus. Later it became clear that it is not.
Reproduces very well, gives a lot of small bulbs. Sheet is very narrow, not wider than 2-3 mm. Blooms in some years earlier Crocus speciosus, and in others later. Dates of flowering depends on summer weather.
What a view it can be? ???
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Natalia, this is Crocus kotschyanus.
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Martin, thank you very much! :D
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Hello,
your help on the following two croci is very much appreciated.
The first I think is biflorus melantherus.
I am very uncertain with the second, perhaps niveus.
Both should originate from the Peloponnese!
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A couple of years ago I dropped some small corms I was re-potting and these got mixed up. I kept the labels and potted them up individually. The remaining labels don't seem to be what this is. Would appreciate any ideas please. Looks like a form of kotchyanus
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A couple of years ago I dropped some small corms I was re-potting and these got mixed up. I kept the labels and potted them up individually. The remaining labels don't seem to be what this is. Would appreciate any ideas please. Looks like a form of kotchyanus
Yes, definitely kotschyanus.
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Thank you Martin I thought so
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Could somebody name this plant?
It should originate from the Peloponnes.
Thanks in advance for your kind help.
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Could somebody name this plant?
It should originate from the Peloponnes.
Thanks in advance for your kind help.
Crocus laevigatus .... probably. It could be Crocus boryi which in some forms very similar in flower. Crocus laevigatus is mostly smaller and has distinctive, hard, eggshell-like corm tunics.
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Thanks Tony,
this was my hope, since it is distinctly smaller than the plants I grow as boryi!
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I have received an enquiry.
Three pictures of a yellow crocus growing near Kayseri on Erciyes Dag near melting snow. Lots of Colchicum szovitsii nearby.
My first thought from shape of flowers was Crocus flavus but ? does this grow in the area? Perhaps Crocus ancyrensis?
Help please!
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Hi Tony,
a nice croci for identification.
C. chrysanthus is reported from Kayseri, too.
Flower shape and style can be quite variable in color and shape...flowers with leaves ect.
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I would more tend to chrysanthus, but this is case where corm tunic's check is obligatory. I don't think that it could be flavus, as subsp. flavus with trifid style is not growing there.
Janis
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Hello All,
When we were in the Balkans studying hellebores we were fortunate enough to see quite a few species Crocus in flower. A very few small non-flowering bulbs had to come home with me and some bulbs have reached flowering size including a nice specimen of Crocus vernus heuffelianus last year. When I went out yesterday I saw this beauty (http://C:\Documents and Settings\Dick Tyler\Desktop\crocus(2).jpg)
any ideas?
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Judith, I think you have Crocus vernus. It may be an albino form of 'heuffelianus', long ago I was given some 'Balkan Vernus' by Primrose Warburg. They grew in her lawn at South Hayes and included dark purple with dark tips, pale lilac without and pure white.
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Thanks, Tony, I thought that's probably what it was, but the photos I saw online just didn't look right.
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Judith, I think you have Crocus vernus. It may be an albino form of 'heuffelianus', long ago I was given some 'Balkan Vernus' by Primrose Warburg. They grew in her lawn at South Hayes and included dark purple with dark tips, pale lilac without and pure white.
Are there articles about on Primrose Warburg and her many interests? Also the hybridizing she did or seed sources theat she persued. Such a fascinating woman and yet we only hear of her Galanthus passion and little of the other plants in her garden. Perhaps there are articles she wrote in old AGS or SRGC Journals or the like? Too bad she didn't write a book.
johnw
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Judith, I think you have Crocus vernus. It may be an albino form of 'heuffelianus', long ago I was given some 'Balkan Vernus' by Primrose Warburg. They grew in her lawn at South Hayes and included dark purple with dark tips, pale lilac without and pure white.
Are there articles about on Primrose Warburg and her many interests? Also the hybridizing she did or seed sources theat she persued. Such a fascinating woman and yet we only hear of her Galanthus passion and little of the other plants in her garden. Perhaps there are articles she wrote in old AGS or SRGC Journals or the like? Too bad she didn't write a book.
johnw
I'll check that out tomorrow, John.
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Hi Maggi,
Don't you ever sleep? It's 6 pm here, so that must make it 11ish or so in Scotland. Been dark for a long time anyway.
I've read bits about Primrose Walburg and her garden in books and magazine articles over the years, The Garden
surely has some.
Be well,
Judith
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There was a Snowdrop centred article on Primrose Warburg in the December edition of The Plantsman (I think-memory not what it was!!?). Possibly written by John Grimshaw. I share my copy with another Forumist so can't refer to it now.
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There was a Snowdrop centred article on Primrose Warburg in the December edition of The Plantsman (I think-memory not what it was!!?). Possibly written by John Grimshaw. I share my copy with another Forumist so can't refer to it now.
David - I did read that one and it, along with the Book's blurb, has sparked an interest in her other achievements.
johnw
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Judith, I think you have Crocus vernus. It may be an albino form of 'heuffelianus', long ago I was given some 'Balkan Vernus' by Primrose Warburg. They grew in her lawn at South Hayes and included dark purple with dark tips, pale lilac without and pure white.
Are there articles about on Primrose Warburg and her many interests? Also the hybridizing she did or seed sources theat she persued. Such a fascinating woman and yet we only hear of her Galanthus passion and little of the other plants in her garden. Perhaps there are articles she wrote in old AGS or SRGC Journals or the like? Too bad she didn't write a book.
johnw
Cannot find anything in SRGC or AGS journals, John.
Turned up this: http://rbg-web2.rbge.org.uk/bbs/Learning/Bryohistory/Bygone%20Bryologists/EDMUND%20FREDRIC%20WARBURG.pdf quite interesting but not much about plants in it.
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hello everyone ,,
kindly identify for me these crocuses,
they were from central portugal,,growing in wild with rock and sandy soil and also under pine and cork oak trees.
thank you
kasun
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Hi Kasun,
These are Crocus carpetanus. I have received a few corms of this crocus a few years before but they did not liked my climate or calcareous soil at all! Do you know in which kind of soil do they grow?
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hello ibrahim, thank you,,
ill have a look soon and let u know,,
kasun
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Seem to be carpetanus. I have same probplems as Ibrahim. Now planted in more peaty (acid) soil.
Janis
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I wonder if someone can identify the crocus in the pictures below.
I purchased it as alatavicus and alarm bells should have started ringing when I took a photo of the corm because of the basal rings. (but I did not notice this at the time).
Biflorus? but which one?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Graeme Strachan
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Graeme, yes to biflorus ??? to which one. A mentor of mine years ago used to say that if he wasn't sure it must be ssp isauricus! Heresy to say such a thing these days ... perhaps someone else will advise. you can rule out ssps alexandrii and weldenii as they do not have yellow throat but that leaves it wide open! The main thing is that it's a fabulous form, one to look after.
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Tony,
Thank you for your quick response.
Graeme
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It could be isauricus (throat, deep blue color, stripes un backside) if corm tunics are thick and hard as they looks on picture. But identification isn't easy by pictures and even by plants in this group (biflorus). Indeed very nice form.
C. alatavicus is quite rarely offered.
Janis
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Janis,
Thank you for responding to my query. I am sorry that the pictures were not very good but they were taken in my kitchen when I took the plant inside for a little while to make the flower open.
With both you and Tony suggesting that it may be isauricus, I'll re-label it as that. Maybe I will get a better photo if the sun shines this weekend.
Thanks again to both of you for taking the time to reply.
Graeme
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Hi Everyone.
I am afraid I dont know much about crocuses, grow a few large dutch cultivars of siberii.
In the garden there is a very large patch of this much smaller crocus.
It is delicate and a pretty colour, they all seem to look the same.
I can pick one and take some more detailed photos if thet would help.
Thank you for looking.
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Crocus tommasinianus.
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Thanks Martin
Thought it was but wasnt sure.
Simon
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Can anyone identify the following::-
1) The picture which I bought as "Warley" looks more like "White Beauty" to me.
2) I am finding difficulty in positively identifying "Milea" as being correct as Thomas Huber has no pictures in his excellent compilation of chrysanthus/biflorus cultivars.
Graeme
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Can anyone identify the following::-
1) The picture which I bought as "Warley" looks more like "White Beauty" to me.
2) I am finding difficulty in positively identifying "Milea" as being correct as Thomas Huber has no pictures in his excellent compilation of chrysanthus/biflorus cultivars.
Graeme
Milea isn't cultivar but wild form from Milea - so it is strain and plants can varie. At least I think so.
Janis
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Graeme,
your 'Warley' is cv. 'White Beauty'.
I have C. chrysanthus 'Milea' in my meadow. The flowers and trifid orange styles look the same as in your images.
It readily sets seeds and is one of the early flowerers. But I can't confirm my 'Milea' is true.
Janis has shown in the past C. chrysanthus from Mt. Ossa which looks rather similar to 'Milea'.
Maybe both represent the typical form of wild C. chrysanthus in Greece.
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Graeme, there is one pic in the Connoisseur Collection, and it looks like yours. There you'll find possibly a pic of Cr. Warley and White Beauty as well?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1331.msg31747#msg31747 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1331.msg31747#msg31747)
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Thank you Janis, Armin and Lvandelft
Lvandelft - I note that the styles on your milea appear to be yellow as per your link. Presumably milea can have orange or yellow styles? I also saw your white beauty photo on the connoisseur collection thread but unfortunately it did not show the side markings.
Armin - I will relabel as white beauty
Graeme
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Graeme, looking again at your white Crocus I think it looks more like White Triumphator, which has more markings on the outside.
You may look at this link where Thomas Huber shows pictures of both.
The White Beauty I showed is ? the same as the one T.H. shows.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138200#msg138200 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138200#msg138200)
You will have to decide for yourself which one you have :-\ :) We did have already some difficult discussions on the Forum about hybrids.
Of some hybrids only the names are obtainable in the trade but not the right bulbs. ::) ::) ::)
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Warley isn't striped, if I remember correctlu (I'm not growing it for more than 15 years) back of petals has some suffusion but not stripes.
Janis
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Crocus chrysanthus Warley
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Janiis / Lvandelft - well it certainly isn't Warley.
Lvandelft - thank you for your research, however I still favour White Beauty over White Triumphator due to petal width/shape when I look at Thomas Huber's photos.
I do realise that what you get is not always what you are expecting, however it is always nice to put a name to a plant that you are growing.
Thanks again
Graeme
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Graeme, the main difference between 'White Beauty' and 'White Triumphator' is the colour of the stripes, which are blue in 'White Triumphator' and purple in 'White Beauty'. From your photo I would say they are purple, but it's not clearly visible, so perhaps you can check your plants as long as they're out - hope this helps.
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Hello all!
I received this crocus a few years ago, under the name "Crous sieberi". It has hardly any apparent golden throat, neither inside or outside, and the outer petals have dark violet markings.
Could you please help me clarify which crocus it could be, in the sieberi family? Thank you in advance!
Zeph
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Hello all!
I received this crocus a few years ago, under the name "Crous sieberi". It has hardly any apparent golden throat, neither inside or outside, and the outer petals have dark violet markings.
Could you please help me clarify which crocus it could be, in the sieberi family? Thank you in advance!
Zeph
At first glance I would say Crocus etruscus. It looks great, obviously doing well for you!
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:), Spot on Tony, it really does look very good :) :)
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:o An antique in my garden ? ;D
I just wonder how it happened ! So it is not a sieberi at all! ...
I had received it from a small eBay UK nursery, a few years ago, as a gift after a mistake had been done with my order.
Thank you so much, dear Croconuts, I hate it when the names are just nonsense.
I do appreciate, Tony and Mark! Thanks!
Zeph
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I saw this lovely Crocus in a garden yesterday and found it lovely. I don't know which one it is (I am not a specialist). Can anyone identify it?
Thank you.
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From what I can see I would say crocus vernus ssp vernus. The purple tube is common in white forms. It is too big for ssp albiflorus.
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From what I can see I would say crocus vernus ssp vernus. The purple tube is common in white forms. It is too big for ssp albiflorus.
Thank you Tony.
Now I will have to search for a source of this white vernus ssp vernus. It is to lovely to not have it in my garden :-).
Learning everyday. A white vernus not being an albiflorus? I should start reading more about Crocus without becoming a Croconut. Not that it is bad, but I became a Galantophile this year without knowing it. That might happen with Crocus too.
But....my garden is big enough I think.....I hope :-)
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Hi This is the first flowering of NARGS 2008 #3207 labelled as C. laevigatus ex. White Mountains, Crete. it is very different from all the other C. laevigatus that i have. one corm sent up a bloom last fall and now with a few warm days, several more blooms have appeared in March.
does this plant look correctly identified?
Thank you
Rimmer
SE Michigan, USA
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I received this crocus as C. ancyrensis from a "specialist" bulb seller in USA however, the flower color is definitely incorrect. does anyone have an idea on the correct identification?
my guess is Crocus tommasinianus
Thank you
Rimmer SE Michigan
usually Zone 5 (Zone 8 winter)
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I received this crocus as C. ancyrensis from a "specialist" bulb seller in USA however, the flower color is definitely incorrect. does anyone have an idea on the correct identification?
my guess is Crocus tommasinianus
Thank you
Rimmer SE Michigan
usually Zone 5 (Zone 8 winter)
I think you're right.
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To my eye, both Rimmer's wrong"ancyrensis" and his previous post are both Crocus vernus :-\
I always think of "tommies" as being rather shorter and more delicate in their flowers than the more rounded petals and robust form of vernus ...... ???
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I am no good at spring crocus identification, especially from photos, but - the supposed C. laevigatus - some form of C. sieberi?
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The not-ancyrensis photos would be easier to id if we had a side-shot as well as. To me they look like a commercial form of tommasinianus such as Whitewell Purple or Ruby Giant.
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Don't know what this web page is and by whom, but they seem to know their stuff, judging by the names on the pictures. Agree with Gerry though, incredibly hard from pictures. But check out the C.laevigatus on this site. Looks like yours?
http://www.marksgardenplants.com/crocus2.htm
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I am no good at spring crocus identification, especially from photos, but - the supposed C. laevigatus - some form of C. sieberi?
Hmmm.... yellow throat... yes, I wasn't thinking about that ... and the style is more sieberi, too.
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The not-ancyrensis photos would be easier to id if we had a side-shot as well as. To me they look like a commercial form of tommasinianus such as Whitewell Purple or Ruby Giant.
Sorry for the poor photo, today was blustery cold and the blooms are all closed up.
From this photo they look like C. tommasinianus 'pictus' which was also offered by that USA "specialist" source.
Thanks for the replies
Rimmer
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Hi This is the first flowering of NARGS 2008 #3207 labelled as C. laevigatus ex. White Mountains, Crete. it is very different from all the other C. laevigatus that i have. one corm sent up a bloom last fall and now with a few warm days, several more blooms have appeared in March.
does this plant look correctly identified?
Thank you
Rimmer
SE Michigan, USA
These, 100% sure, are crocus sieberi ssp sieberi. Crete, mountains, springtime flowering. A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus, also native to Crete but different, lower altitude habitat. Pergaps a mixed batch of Cretan seed? Good news is that they will be easy to separate by corms. C sieberi has globose corms with netted tunics. C leavigatus has corms with a pronounced pointy top half and hard, smooth corm tunics.
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I received this crocus as C. ancyrensis from a "specialist" bulb seller in USA however, the flower color is definitely incorrect. does anyone have an idea on the correct identification?
my guess is Crocus tommasinianus
Thank you
Rimmer SE Michigan
usually Zone 5 (Zone 8 winter)
Good guess! It could be Pictus, as you suggest in another post.
The narrow leaves lead me to be fairly sure it is C tommasinianus rather than C vernus.
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The narrow leaves lead me to be fairly sure it is C tommasinianus rather than C vernus.
Note to self: Margaret,pay more attention and do not allow yourself to be seduced so easily by voluptous flowers ::)
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These, 100% sure, are crocus sieberi ssp sieberi. Crete, mountains, springtime flowering. A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus, also native to Crete but different, lower altitude habitat. Pergaps a mixed batch of Cretan seed? Good news is that they will be easy to separate by corms. C sieberi has globose corms with netted tunics. C leavigatus has corms with a pronounced pointy top half and hard, smooth corm tunics.
here are some poor photos of this seed pot taken last November 6, 2011. so possibly a mixed seed lot.
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A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus
I received the following corm last fall as C laevigatus and it began to emerge in November-December but then went on vacation until late February in my frame and now is just finished flowering
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These have been confusing to me. grown from Archibald seed lot 034.1250 Crocus biflorus ssp. isuaricus , but the two are very different.
does anyone have any ideas? they peaked bloomed in my frame in February
my frame is in a sunny position protected with 3.5 mil sheet of plastic and open to weather most of the time except when temp falls well below freezing.
Thank you
Rimmer
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These, 100% sure, are crocus sieberi ssp sieberi. Crete, mountains, springtime flowering. A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus, also native to Crete but different, lower altitude habitat. Perhaps a mixed batch of Cretan seed? Good news is that they will be easy to separate by corms. C sieberi has globose corms with netted tunics. C leavigatus has corms with a pronounced pointy top half and hard, smooth corm tunics.
Thank you, it is good to know that this is Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi. per your description in the Crocus pages entry I have had it in the wrong place for these 4 years. It has been in a cold damp part of my frame along with the bulbs that receive water all summer, not in the hot dry part. The Crocus in question is the small white bloom at the far right in the bulb frame.
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These have been confusing to me. grown from Archibald seed lot 034.1250 Crocus biflorus ssp. isuaricus , but the two are very different.
This is the entry from Jim's catalogue in which he says it is variable in colour & markings
341.250 : Crocus biflorus subsp.isauricus
Turkey, Antalya, Irmasan Geçidi North of Akseki. 1500m. Stony humus under Abies over limestone. (Spring-flowering race endemic to the W end of the Taurus. In particularly fine form here & variable in colour & markings. Usually lilac-blue with strong, purple feathering on the exterior. Attractive & satisfactory under glass in the UK.)
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These, 100% sure, are crocus sieberi ssp sieberi. Crete, mountains, springtime flowering. A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus, also native to Crete but different, lower altitude habitat. Pergaps a mixed batch of Cretan seed? Good news is that they will be easy to separate by corms. C sieberi has globose corms with netted tunics. C leavigatus has corms with a pronounced pointy top half and hard, smooth corm tunics.
here are some poor photos of this seed pot taken last November 6, 2011. so possibly a mixed seed lot.
This is 100% Cretan Crocus laevigatus :)
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These have been confusing to me. grown from Archibald seed lot 034.1250 Crocus biflorus ssp. isuaricus , but the two are very different.
does anyone have any ideas? they peaked bloomed in my frame in February my frame is in a sunny position protected with 3.5 mil sheet of plastic and open to weather most of the time except when temp falls well below freezing.
Thank you
Rimmer
Diane is correct that this taxa (and many others) displays considerable variation. What you show is typical.
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A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus
I received the following corm last fall as C laevigatus and it began to emerge in November-December but then went on vacation until late February in my frame and now is just finished flowering
Also 100% Crocus laevigatus. This is one of the most variable, with many isolated island populations. It can flower from October to March in the wild so this behaviour in yours is not unusual. I'd guess maybe it was held up by a cold winter in your area?
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Heres a better picture of the butter yellow I have shown before.
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Hi Guff,
the inside flower resembles on the first view 'Cream Beauty' (red trifid style, anthers with black tips) but outside tepal markings are not matching.
Maybe it is a nice hybrid?
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Armin thanks, it's a big flower. I keep forgetting to dig it up, and replant in some good soil.
Heres another that I found on the lower lot.
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Hi Guff,
it is often quite diffucult to try to identify crocus from pictures. ::)
Is it the same crocus as previous shown or another beauty?
Your new images appear totally different on my screen, much more deep yellow.
Looks not at all like a 'Cream Beauty' ??? Maybe 'E.A. Bowles'?
Do you have any idea where it (or both) came from?
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Armin they are two different plants. Been told that they were purchased 40+ years ago. One would think there would be more then one corm each over all those years, but being in clay soil they don't seem to multiply.
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Here is a deep red-purple crocus seedling that came up this week (late for all the crocuses in my seed frame) in a pot of hyacinthella seeds.
the bloom is smaller than any other crocus i have. it has the red purple color of C. vernus 'Michael's Purple' but it is smaller and bloomed several weeks later.
my guess is some form of Crocus minimus?
Thanks for your help
Rimmer in SE Michigan
enjoying a hot May in March and wondering what May will be like.
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Rimmer, resized pictures would be better ;) but this is Crocus minimus, looks like the form called Bavella which has dark purple outer petals. ;)
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Haven't emptied the camera yet, but what's the name of the Crocus growing in the mountains straight above/behind Alanya?
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Thank you Tony
Rimmer
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Haven't emptied the camera yet, but what's the name of the Crocus growing in the mountains straight above/behind Alanya?
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Crocus roseoviolaceus! Very typical, only black anthers slightly hided by yellow pollen. Se my entry Crocotrip with Ibrahim.
Janis
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arisaema,
Very nice photos from wild I would say this is C. biflorus subsp. isauricus but to be sure first need to see corm tunics.
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Janis I can't be sure for Crocus roseoviolaceus! in shape and in size yes. But anthers and styles look very different!
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Janis I can't be sure for Crocus roseoviolaceus! in shape and in size yes. But anthers and styles look very different!
Yes, I don't like anthers, too. But number of leaves - pictured plants has 3-4 leaves, in roseoviolaceus 2-4! C. biflorus isauricus has 4-7 leaves. Most important is leaf section. If it is without ribs in side grooves - it is roseoviolaceus.
Janis
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Here is my photos of Crocus roseoviolaceus from a single flower. Filaments are also darker than isauricus! and another very important difference is the tooths around the tunics ring! While isauricus has not tooths on rings.
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Does this help?
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On my pictures from same spot tunic is without tooth. I'm adding here two pictures made N of Alanya last spring and one -great surprise for me. Shortly ago I wrote on Forum that crocus dug out and replanted in flowering time will need 2 years to recover. Here you can see flower from last spring at blooming time collected corm. After colledcting plant travelled a week before it was potted in my nursery. I ciollected 12 corms, 2 sent to Erich and 10 planted by myself and one of them bloomed :D Greatest surprise. But returning to identification - you can see that stigma can vary but overall view, color of tube, petal outside and inside really looks as in roseoviolaceus. Corm tunic picture is from herbarium sample.
Janis
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Does this help?
Picture of corm is resized and so too small to judge. "Arisaema" - may be you can send me full size picture of corm dirrectly to my e-mail address and I would be pleased for private information about exact spot where you collected it. It could help, too.
Janis ( janis.bulb@hawk.lv )
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Thank you both, I'll email you privately later today or tomorrow :) As far as I can tell from the full size picture there are no teeth on the tunic rings.
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Hello,
autumn croci are obviously better known than spring ones!
This plant is flowering for me now, could it be C. longiflorus?
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Hello Pauli,
this Crocus looks like hadriaticus f. lilacinus.
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Thanks Udo,
that fits well. I did not write an extra label, but it is next to a Cyc. graecum, collected on Mount Taygetos, where we also found lilac hadriaticus!
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Could somebody id this it was bought as Crocus tournefortii
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/001-14.jpg)
I get a better pic if needed
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Could somebody id this it was bought as Crocus tournefortii
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/001-14.jpg)
I get a better pic if needed
It could well be correct but from the picture there is a small doubt in my mind. If it is lilac coloured then it is C tournefortii but if white then C boryi is a possible. It looks too large to be C laevigatus which would otherwise enter the equation.
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Tony it is white with a hint of lilac and the flower doesn't stay open at night nor in dull weather.
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I suppose it might be C. tournefortii x boryi though plants I have had which I thought might be this hybrid have been pure white.
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I think the only sure (?) way of distinguishing between C. tournefortii & C. boryi is by means of the hairiness of the anther filaments - hand-lens required. The attached illustrations are from Maw.
Top: C. boryi
Bottom: C. tournefortii
I assume that intermediates are the hybrid.
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Could somebody id this it was bought as Crocus tournefortii
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/001-14.jpg)
I get a better pic if needed
Impossible by this picture.
janis
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Yes, Gerry is right it could be the hybrid but telling for sure is the devils own job!
I have some plants labelled as the hybrid (I and Udo have recently posted pics) which are white, and close up at night. They are more vigorous than either parent is here, so maybe that vigour points to their being hybrids?
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Yes, Gerry is right it could be the hybrid but telling for sure is the devils own job!
I have some plants labelled as the hybrid (I and Udo have recently posted pics) which are white, and close up at night. They are more vigorous than either parent is here, so maybe that vigour points to their being hybrids?
I was never sure of the hybrid status of my plants until I raised seedlings. The majority were very close to C. boryi but one was a rather odd C. tournefortii - deep lilac blue but feathered.
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Hello.
I am Daniel from Saxony, Germany.
I`m 29 years old.
Ever since this year I grabbed the Crocus fever!
I hope you can read my posts because I use google Translater too.
Since this year I have a crocus- collection with 40 varieties/ species.
Please tell me whether the species / varieties are correct.
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z79yu3txeecuphv.jpg)
C.speciosus`Conqueror`
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z7cmjn3vjg5lb4j.jpg)
also ´Conqueror´
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z7dvug8vukh3c0j.jpg)
´Conqueror´
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z7eeyvi6lcd5dhv.jpg)
´Conqueror´
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z7evezlioafez6b.jpg)
´Conqueror´
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z7fibh4bbffuxlf.jpg)
Unfortunately, not too nice - Crocus speciosus `Albus`
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z7gs1hk2b5p0jo3.jpg)
Crocus pulchellus
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z7hkeeuyxrut6kz.jpg)
also
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z7i40eo8rz6zzir.jpg)
also C.pulchellus
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z7k0toodwt0c6mr.jpg)
Here shout be a C. ochroleucus. But it is not... Whats that? Also C.speciosus?
(http://666kb.com/i/c8z7nj8zsig2jf4pf.jpg)
Crocus sativus.
Is it normal, that they dont bloom at the first year?
What means the brown stripes at he leaves? To moist?
Thank you!!!!!!!! Daniel
PS: is `Conqueror`sterile?
When they flop over- can they make seeds?
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Hello Daniel,
welcome on the forum. I'm glad to hear you got the crocus fever! ;D
Reg. C. speciosus 'Conqueror': We had this topic many times in the past. We can't realy identify it.
The KAVB describes them as 'Flowers very large, deep sky blue.' Not very precise and there are no reference pictures and no registration date.
The problem C. speciosus is bred in the Netherlands by millions. The stocks are mixed, not clean. And C. speciosus is a variable plant and hybridizes easily with C. pulchellus.
So my recommendation, just feel happy with the variations. ;)
I don't know if 'Conqueror' is sterile. Seed capsules usually appear in May provided weather and pollination was good in autuum. But you can hand pollinate them with a fine brush.
Your C. pulchellus is C. speciosus. Often C. speciosus is a substitute for short supply of C. pulchellus or simply because of mixed/unclean stocks. Not fair but reality.
Same with C. orchroleucus - often mixed with C. speciosus. Put ochroleucus corms in a sheltered, sunny place and plant it deep (-15cm) then they flower better. Otherwise only leaves. Never had success with them in my meadow.
This is also valid for C. sativus. Reasons for non-flowering can be various. Too small corms, wrong storage, laying of corms too late, frost damages in spring, wet summer season...
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Crocus sativus.
Is it normal, that they dont bloom at the first year?.............
Daniel - feed heavily with a high potash fertiliser (eg tomato food) & try keeping them completely dry & very hot during summer dormancy.
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Hello Armin and Gerry.
Thanks for your answers!
Ok but too bad that they are not real pulchellus.
I'm just happy that there is a white speciosus
How can you tell the difference between pulchellus an speciosus?
How to recognize REAL pulchellus?
My alleged pulchellus are veined not as strong, and formed several green seed spikes - speciosus had the purple bud tips.
(for Armin ;D : Die angeblichen pulchellus sind nicht so stark geadert und bildeten mehrere grüne Keimspitzen - die speciosus hatten lila Keimspitzen.)
I have tomato fertiliser.
When should I fertilize?
Ok- I will put the saffron-pot dry in the summer.
Following types / varieties I have.
Is there some special note (do you have special tips?)?
(Crocus pulchellus)
(Crocus ochroleucus)
Crocus sativus
Crocus speciosus `Albus`
Crocus speciosus `Conqueror`
Crocus tommasinianus `Ruby Giant`
Crocus tommasinianus `Roseus`
Crocus tommasinianus `Barr´s Purple`
Crocus sieberi `Hubert Edelsten` (C. sieberi ssp. atticus x C. sieberi ssp.sieberi)
Crocus sieberi `Firefly`
Crocus sieberi ssp.sublimis `Tricolor`
Crocus biflorus ssp.biflorus (syn.C. biflorus parkinsonii)
Crocus biflorus ssp.isauricus 'Spring Beauty'
Crocus korolkowii
Crocus angustifolius (C.susianus)
Crocus kosaninii `April View`
Crocus fleischeri
Crocus ancyrensis `Golden Bunch`
Crocus candidus `Subflavus`
Crocus flavus ssp. flavus (C.aureus)
Crocus flavus `Yellow Mamouth` (syn. 'Dutch Yellow', `Golden Yellow ',Yellow Giant`)
Crocus etruscus `Rosalind`
Crocus etruscus `Zwanenburg`
Crocus imperati ssp.imperati `De Jager`
Crocus minimus
Crocus vernus `Vanguard`
Crocus `Yalta` (Crocus vernus x C.tommasinianus)
Crocus vernus `Flower Record`
Crocus vernus `King of Striped`
Crocus vernus `Pickwick`
Crocus vernus `Remembrance´
Crocus vernus `Jean d`Arc´
Crocus vernus `Grand Maitre`
Crocus vernus `Purpurea Grandiflora`
Crocus chrysanthus 'Blue Pearl`
Crocus chrysanthus 'Prince Claus`
Crocus chrysanthus 'Fuscotinctus`
Crocus chrysanthus `Dorothy`
Crocus chrysanthus `Romance´
Crocus chrysanthus 'Snowbunting`
Thank you!
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Daniel,
you have already a good assortment of the most popular cultivars. :D
Here two references of very good forms of C. pulchellus - not all are such contrasted. But always a yellow center and white anthers.
The others are C. speciosus from my garden/meadow.
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Armin, my pulchellus look real but they are not white anthers.
(Can you tell me the German word for "anthers"- "Staubfäden"?)
Is that the major different?
Maybe it will come true pulchellus- it bloom only 2 of 10!
What means "a good assortment of the most popular cultivars"?
"nice but nothing special" ;D ;) The rare are unfortunately too expensive for me...
Are Crocuses here, where I got to watch in particular?
For me, all (who are in the pot) in a mixture of garden soil / sand / clay pebbles.
I would love to still have C.nudiflorus and C. banaticus!
But they are rare and expensive!
Dani
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Daniel,
your translation of anthers is correct. :)
Please don't misunderstand 'a good assortment of the most popular cultivars' as simply 'nice but nothing special'.
Many crocus species come from extreme habitats - low land mediteranean over semi-dessert to high alpine.
Usually most of them require a wet spring followed by a dry summer rest. And always a good drainage.
Many species (spring or autuum flowering) cannot cope with our low-land continental climate and rainy summers, they simply rot. Better to grow those under glass with controled conditions.
In my instance I grow all my crocus outside, preferable in my meadow - therefore there are limits in the number of suitable species I can grow (=most popular cultivars ;)) and which do not suffer significantly on moist during summer dormancy or die off by sudden black frosts as happend last Februar.
A little pity is the fact that many popular cultivars are hybrids which do not set seed or only a few viable. They are propagated vegetatively in high volumes and are cheap.
Propagating crocus from seed is the most exiting because you can breed the whole bandwidth of color and form variations.
True and rare species are raised from seed and have their price as it takes years to bring them to flowering sizes.
I don't know your experiences with the crocus taxa sofar but I recommend you to study each species requirements before ordering.
Otherwise you risk to dig hundreds of Euros for the finest crocus compost. ::) ;D
If you follow up this forum threads and i.e. Ian's 'bulb log' on the main website you can learn a lot from the experts.
Join the crocus group and participate on the seed exchange if you like. ;)
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Hello Armin and Gerry.
I have tomato fertiliser.
When should I fertilize?
Ok- I will put the saffron-pot dry in the summer.
Thank you!
Daniel - I feed all crocus with half-strength fertiliser every week when in growth. Some people feed less I believe.
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Thank you Gerry- I will do so.
Armin, I understand what you mean.
I will initially purchase additional types.
Most, some or chrysanthus vernus varieties.
First look at what next spring flowers at all.
To look better pictures than spend money on the composter!
One must not exaggerate so too!
Also, my comment was just a joke.
I'm going to the species in the summer like no sun to set (see photo).
In my list is a kind in which I have to consider special?
Thank you-Daniel
PS: I had read that C.banaticus C.nudiflorus and must be kept very simple and very beautiful. Is that true?
(http://666kb.com/i/c903jd96boq48y55k.jpg)
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HI!
Thats never a C.ochroleucus! >:(
(http://666kb.com/i/c96aiw4uceoqrb3d2.jpg)
Good night!
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Oh, yes!!!! ;D
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What a fraud!
They probably think we are totally stupid!?
But I get back after a complaint by e-mail my money on the wrong C.pulchellus as a credit.
Daniel
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What a fraud!
They probably think we are totally stupid!?
But I get back after a complaint by e-mail my money on the wrong C.pulchellus as a credit.
Daniel
I think also they think we are stupid,but there are some very good and honest people on here that will send you 100% correctly named crocus.
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Hi all, This is the first flower of a seedling. I got the seeds from JJA December 2008 seed litst JJA 354.706 Crocus vitellinus, Lebanon, M'tein. 875m. Ex. R. & R. Wallis 99-26.
The flower is white and early for vitellinus blooming season. Then I checked JJA Master Seed List on SRGC site (thank you for the staffs!) but I could not find its seed code number...
Please confirm its name, thank you.
JJA Seed List 2008 December
http://files.srgc.net/archibald/seedlists/JJA_seeds/JJA_seeds_2008_December.pdf (http://files.srgc.net/archibald/seedlists/JJA_seeds/JJA_seeds_2008_December.pdf)
The Master List of Archibald Seed
http://files.srgc.net/archibald/seedlists/JJA_seedlist_master_SRGC.pdf (http://files.srgc.net/archibald/seedlists/JJA_seedlist_master_SRGC.pdf)
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Hi Tatsuo,
just from image I would like to offer you two candidates either C. aleppicus (middle east) or C. veneris (Cyprus).
Please check the number of leaves.
3-4 veneris, 5-9 aleppicus.
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alepicus has very narrow white midvein on leaves, so my opinion is tjhat it could be veneris.
Janis
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Hi all, This is the first flower of a seedling. I got the seeds from JJA December 2008 seed litst JJA 354.706 Crocus vitellinus, Lebanon, M'tein. 875m. Ex. R. & R. Wallis 99-26.
The flower is white and early for vitellinus blooming season. Then I checked JJA Master Seed List on SRGC site (thank you for the staffs!) but I could not find its seed code number...
Please confirm its name, thank you.
Tatsuo, I wrote to Bob Wallis to check his recollection of the seed number.... he says :
Mmm! I am puzzled by this one. We did indeed supply JJA with Crocus vitellinus seed from yellow flowering plants from this location and the RRW9926 number is correct for this introduction from M'tein.
C vitellinus in Lebanon flowers in autumn or early winter so the timing is correct. However all of ours were yellow flowered with no markings on the outside.
The photograph presented is not like C vitellinus but it could just be a white sport. The only other Crocus in this locality is C ochroleucus which is white but it has white stamens so it is not that either. The only way to be sure what it is is to see the corm tunic which is quite distinct in C vitellinus with its parallel fibres and the fact that it splits off leaving coarse, tooth-like, edges at the base.
The flower looks like a Crocus cancellatus and I wonder if there has been a mix up somewhere. Again the come tunic will be diagnostic. Very coarse fibres with a long persistent neck in C cancellatus and no sign of the "teeth" at the base.
Hopefully when the others flower, there will be some C vitellinus amongst them.
I hope that this helps.
With kind regards
Bob
So, a case of examine the tunics in due course!
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Armin and Janis, thank you very much for the good suggestion :) :) :)
Maggi, thank you very much for your kind help and please pass my best greetings to Bob, the original collector.
I will check the corm tunic next summer and up load the pictures here again.
I have also checked my order list that I got this crocus seeds from JJA. Did I mix up labels with other crocus seeds listed below ???
339.609 Crocus abantensis - Turkey, Bolu, near Abant golu. 1100m.
340.090 Crocus angustifolius - Ukraine, Krim, near Yalta.
341.670 Crocus biflorus subsp. pulchricolor - No Data.
341.728 Crocus biflorus subsp. tauri - Turky, Ağri, Patnos.
341.801 Crocus boryi - Greece, messinia, S of Pilos. 200m.
343.001 Crocus caspius - Iran, Mazandaran, SE of Sari. 200m. In deep shade of deciduous woodland.
345.212 Crocus goulimyi from selected variants - Greece, Lakonia, N of Arepoli.
346.408 Crocus korolkowii - Uzbekistan, Samarkand, Seravshan, agalik valley. Ex J. Ruksans Colls.
347.402 Crocus laevigatus - Greece, Evia, above Nea Artaki. 300m. Clearing among Pinus & Cistus.
347.421 Crocus laevigatus - Greece, Crete, Mt. Vouvala. Ex an A. Edwards coll.
347.601 Crocus longiflorus - Italy, Sicily, Madonie Nebrodi. Ex an A. Edwards coll.
350.409 Crocus pulchellus - Greece. Ex R. & R. Wallis 01-34.
350.809 Crocus reticulatus - Moldova. Ex J. Ruksans Colls.
351.000 Crocus robertianus - Greece, Ioanina. W of Metsovo to Ioanina. 600m. Leafsoil at base of Quercus & Ostrya scrub.
351.100 Crocus rujanensis - Serbia, Rujan Planina. 600m. Ex a N. Randjelovic Coll.
352.006 Crocus serotinus subsp. salzmannii Spain, Segovia, El Espinar. 1350m. R. D. Domi,guez coll.
352.099 Crocus serotinus subsp. salzmannii - Spain, Granada, Sierra Nevada below Penones de San Francisco. 2300m. NW-facing depression.
352.401 Crocus sieberi - Greece, Crete, Hania, S of Omalos. 1200m. Under trees on rocky slopes. Ex D. M. Hoskins 02-08.
352.455 Crocus sieberi subsp. atticus - Greece, Atiki-Pireas, Pendeli. c. 800m. Ex a M. Harvey coll.
352.550 Crocus sieberi subsp. sublimis - Greece, Evia, Oros Dirfis. 1000m. Among bracken on open , limestone slopes.
353.600 Crocus tournefortii - Greece, Karpathos. Ex an I. Barton coll.
354.002 Crocus veluchensis - Jugoslavia, Serbia, Kosovo, above Vratnica. 800m. Leaf-soil over clay in dense Fagus woods.
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does anyone have better eye sight and possible knowledge of what this label says please? It's not the best of pictures I'm afraid. Saw this at one of the gardens during the Galanthus Gala, think it was John and Brenda Foster's garden: Gable House.
unreadable crocus
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Crocus cvijicii - can be difficult to grow as well as to spell and pronounce- real charmer though
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wow, Maggi that was quick, thank you! Just managed to 'google' John and got his number, he knew exactly which one I was talking about, said it was from seed, hence variation and that it liked being wet, should be fine in Plymouth! Haven't got into crocus, but feel a twinge coming on...
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Glad to hear that!
Croconuttery is an ancient and honourable profession, you know!
Take a look through Ian Young's Bulb Logs to read about many of these fab plants.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=bulb (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=bulb)
There are a few which prefer to have some moisture at their roots at all times. Some barely go fully dormant and retain some growing roots nearly all year and resent drying out.
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no, no and thrice I shout NO! I do not need encouraging to start another mad collection of plants!!! ;D
Thing is, I don't need encouragement to do it at all 8)
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Hello!
I just found this photo from last year.
Is that Cr. tomm. 'Ruby Giant'?
Thank you-Daniel
(http://666kb.com/i/cbw528twk9g3am1vv.jpg)
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Daniel,
it resembles cv. Ruby Giant (sterile hybrid).
I'm a bit careful as digi cams do not reproduce its real color.
But flower shape and stem color do fit.
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Hello!
I just found this photo from last year.
Is that Cr. tomm. 'Ruby Giant'?
Thank you-Daniel
(http://666kb.com/i/cbw528twk9g3am1vv.jpg)
RUBY GIANT
There are some very similar, too, but this one looks as true Ruby Giant.
Janis
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Thank you, Janis and Armin.
I will write it down as a 'Ruby Giant'.
For many days we had no more sun.
But tomorrow it will be sunny.At last!
Daniel
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Can the experts please advise if this is C.tommasinianus? The plant originated from Northern Greece but I can find no reference to this species growing there.
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Can the experts please advise if this is C.tommasinianus? The plant originated from Northern Greece but I can find no reference to this species growing there.
Certainly looks very like C tommasinianus which does have a habit of appearing in places where it does not belong .... I have a couple of pots here where tommies have taken up residence while the original occupant seems to have moved out!
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A few years ago I posted a white Crocus in a trough where I don't have any Crocus. I removed them but I think they failed to flower last year. All are flowering now. The flower looks pristine white to the eye but the camera shows pale cream on the outers. The leaves are very small and thin. What is it?
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A few years ago I posted a white Crocus in a trough where I don't have any Crocus. I removed them but I think they failed to flower last year. All are flowering now. The flower looks pristine white to the eye but the camera shows pale cream on the outers. The leaves are very small and thin. What is it?
Looks like a white tommie to me.
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So white and no purple streaks?
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So white and no purple streaks?
Mmm. A nice clean white. Segments a bit narrow but nice and clean.
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I agree, looks like white tommie. I had earlier two purest white tommies without any hint, stripe of lilac, but both got virus infection.
Janis
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This is the first seedling to flower in a pot of seed from one or other of the exchanges and labelled Crocus speciosus, sown September 2008. Since all the previously sown speciosus seed I've had has turned out to be pulchellus or hybrids I'm suspicious of this one. It's way past the time of the year I'd expect either of them to flower; it lacks the veining I'd expect to see in speciosus; it's pale lilac that I'd expect from pulchellus and it's smaller than I'd expect speciosus to be. Sorry about the quality of the images but it's dark and chucking it down here today and I had to bring this indoors to open it and indeed to photograph it. I'd welcome views please.
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Another tommie, David. Trouble is they seed everywhere, get around and into clumps of other crocus in the garden and then when seed pods come up (they seed prolifically) people think the seed is from the clump they've seeded into or around.
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Many thanks Martin, that's another pot to plant out in the garden.
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This is the first seedling to flower in a pot of seed from one or other of the exchanges and labelled Crocus speciosus, sown September 2008.
Tommies David, only tommies. Sorry.
Janis
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Janis & other Crocophiles
Janis & other learned Crocophiles - Do you consider Ruby Giant as shown to be a true tommassinnianus? And Whitewell Purple?
I ask as I am now doubt we have true tommies here in eastern Canada. We got 'Roseus' from a specialty nursery in Holland several years ago and it is now said by others to be a hybrid. What do you think?
1 Crocus tommassinnianus 'Roseus' ex Holland and a reputed hybrid
2 Crocus tommassinnianus 'Roseus' at John Grimshaw's Sycamore Cottage
If a hybrid then a spontaeous cross or something in the trade? I'm at a loss, the colours were identical but ours lack the pointed petals.
Nice evening with Howard & Leila Clase last night. Though we regularly get together when I am in St. John's this is the first time Howard has been by here in 25 or more years. Of course I forgot to ask him about tommies.
johnw - +7c & sunny
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John
If it is a hybrid, it is certainly better than the one in John Grimshaw's garden.
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Tommies David, only tommies. Sorry.
Janis
Thank you Janis. They'll do nicely under the tree in the garden.
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And then we have a posting a few days ago on the UBC Pic of the Day. Leaves????
http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/potd/2013/03/crocus-tommasinianus.php (http://www.botanicalgarden.ubc.ca/potd/2013/03/crocus-tommasinianus.php)
johnw
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Janis & other Crocophiles
Nice evening with Howard & Leila Clase last night. Though we regularly get together when I am in St. John's this is the first time Howard has been by here in 25 or more years. Of course I forgot to ask him about tommies.
Can't help you/ I'm not growing those cultivars for more than 15 years. The John Grimshaws Roseus looks true to name (by my memory). Ruby Giant is sterile (may be chromosome mutation). Whitewell Purple allways looked same as Ruby Giant, at least in stocks which I received from various sources in those years/
Janis
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Hi
this purple crocus came up today in a patch of C chrysanthus
does anyone know what it is?
Thanks
Rimmer
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Hi
this purple crocus came up today in a patch of C chrysanthus
does anyone know what it is?
Thanks
Rimmer
Reminds me of a form of Crocus etruscus which is used in some mixed roadside plantings with biflorus/chrysanthus forms here.
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This is the first blooming of JJA 354.002 (Crocus veluchensis ex Serbia, Kosovo)
however it looks like a C vernus 'heuffelianus' type since it is just blooming now in the spring and has the dark tips
Is this identified correctly?
Thanks
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This came as C chrysanthus "Milea" but there are two different types of styles
obviously at least one is not correct
any idea on the species or name?
Thanks
Rimmer
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This came as C chrysanthus "Milea" but there are two different types of styles
obviously at least one is not correct
any idea on the species or name?
Thanks
Rimmer
Style colour can vary even in one population. Some are very constant - such only red styles I saw in chrysanthus on Mt. Falakro in Greece. Near Uschak in Turkey mostly were yellow styles but some were light orange and some bright red. Style color only in exceptional cases can be used for identification - C. minutus, jablanicensis, leucostylosus.
Janis
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This unknown crocus appeared suddenly this spring in my USA bed with trilliums, erythroniums and ferns, as well as USA lilies. i had not planted it there, so it remains a mystery how it got there.
Is it a sp or hybrid? if so, what could it be?
I had to resize the images for uploading, so it may not be easy to see, but i can e mail full resolution images to anyone interested.
Pontus
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This unknown crocus appeared suddenly this spring in my USA bed with trilliums, erythroniums and ferns, as well as USA lilies. i had not planted it there, so it remains a mystery how it got there.
Is it a sp or hybrid? if so, what could it be?
I had to resize the images for uploading, so it may not be easy to see, but i can e mail full resolution images to anyone interested.
Pontus
Looks rather like Crocus etruscus from this distance. Nice!
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Could be seedling but could be joke of rodents as well. What it is? Impossible to identify.
Janis
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Here it is again in closeup
yes, it could be rodents that have done something..as we have alot of them here....it would be nice if they picked these up in one of my neighbours gardens and brought them here! for once they would have done me a favour instead of the usual massacre they do with my bulbs!
Pontus
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Pontus,
I would go with C. etruscus as Tony proposed.
But please check if it has a yellow center, then it could be C. kosaninii too.
I grew such pale, striped form from dutch origin but lost it by black frost.
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Here it is again in closeup
I would go with C. etruscus as Tony proposed.
But please check if it has a yellow center, then it could be C. kosaninii too.
I grew such pale, striped form from dutch origin but lost it by black frost.
Looks like it has a yellow throat to me......
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Hi@all!
I have some questions...
Could that be a real Cr. candidus `Subflavus` (C. Candidus x olivieri)?
(http://666kb.com/i/cd497m49qjtdo325m.jpg)
Do all Cr.tommasianus have this striped shell?
(http://666kb.com/i/cd49br3u07zqjkjai.jpg)
Is that Cr.vernus `Pickwick`?
(http://666kb.com/i/cd49e0p7k5rurs4oa.jpg)
Cr.vernus `Grand Maitre`?!
(http://666kb.com/i/cd49fs13p9t750nu2.jpg)
Cr. sieberi `Firefly`?!
(http://666kb.com/i/cd49gfer1ztw9u46i.jpg)
Cr.flavus `Yellow Gigant` (or other name...)
(http://666kb.com/i/cd49j9yy4k8ttxhuy.jpg)
THANK YOU!!!
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Good morning Daniel.
This isn't candidus subflavus, your plants leaves are too small.
Your firefly is a mix of tommasinianus and etruscus 'Zwanenburg'
The rest looks OK.
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Hi Thomas.
Thanks for comment!
I saw, that the `Firefly`are not right.
An that they are some tommies.
But I never would have thought, that this are etruscus...
The Cr.c.`subflavus`looks like angustifolius?!
Dani
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Hi Daniel.
To be correct your plants are only sold as etruscus Zwanenburg,
but in fact they are an old cultivated form of Crocus vernus.
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Hi@all!
I have some questions...
Could that be a real Cr. candidus `Subflavus` (C. Candidus x olivieri)?
THANK YOU!!!
Looks like it might be C angustifolius.
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I'm posting these photos for ID, please, for forumist ikizzeki
He says : "the pictures are so important for me because they are about to set seed. I wish to send seeds for new year seed distribution. So I need their species names. The one with the purple throat is mathewii, I think .
Best regards from warm Antalya.
Izzet"
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A crocus from about 1600msm on Biokovo mountain in Croatia. Very broad leaves.
Is this a biflorus variety or albiflorus? Any suggestions sre very welcome!
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Hi Herbert.
Looks like a plant from the vernus group, so it could be albiflorus or exiguus/vernus.
The altitude points for albiflorus which is a high alpine plant.
Biflorus/weldenii have papery corm tunics with basal rings, and the other two
varieties from Biocovo (dalmaticus and reticulatus) have reticulated tunics.
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Many thanks Thomas.
I thought so, but was not sure.
This was the only Crocus I found on the mountain, the others already dormant or eaten! But there was plenty reward in form of Edraianthus ssp.
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In the autumn I posted a pic of a crocus I bought as mathewii. The identity was not confirmed then, so here it is again this time with a pic of the corms too. I believe it is a poor coloured mathewii, but I am not sure.
The other crocus is labeled C. cartwrightianus Albus. What do the experts say?
As you can guess I have started repotting my crocuses. The corms are in general large and have multiplied very well. It have been a very good crocus year for me. As a bonus there are seeds on most species.
Poul
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Poul,
your Crocus mathewii looks like a hybrid from Crocus hadriaticus.
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So pleased to see the original Croconuts here again, especially Thomas and Dirk. I'm sure you can tell me what this one is, in flower now (remembering it is the coldest part of winter here, but many "spring" crocuses are in flower so it seems to be an early season for them.
This is from seed but the label is totally washed out, even the date and source but I don't think I have it elsewhere. 3 pics and the colour is a little richer than in the images. There seems to be some virus striping but not on the flowers themselves, only in the images, due to rather horrible light conditions.
So what is this please?
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Hi Lesley.
Still it isn't easy to identify a Crocus only by flower without seeing the corm tunic,
but to me it looks like Crocus salzmannii.
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Hello Lesley
for a spring flowering Crocus, i would maybe tap on Crocus veluchensis or Crocus vernus.
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Thank you both very much. I don't know that I'm much the wiser though. I think it's too late to be salzmannii and though I have some seedlings of veluchensis they're well labelled but not flowering yet. Vernus? maybe. There seems to be three lines to the name on the label, i.e. Crocus followed by two others and the third line MAY start with ssp but I can't really tell. Likewise, it MAY have come from Marcus Harvey and have the MH which I put on seeds from him. Perhaps I should send the pics to him for an opinion. I do photograph all new crocus corms now for future reference but of course these are seedlings, still in the pot they were sown in so I haven't seen the corms yet. There are a couple more going to flower and several single leaves coming through as well.
I hoped a pic of the label might help, if enhanced accordingly but not really. There do seem to several "i"s in the name.
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Yellow throat - a sieberi ssp perhaps? It does hybridise with veluchensis in the wild so given Marcus' travels it could be that. Check the tunic later, sieberi is nicely netted tunic, quite diff from other spring possibles.
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Hello.
Can someone tell me if that is only a Cr.speciosus?
The flower looks so different ...
(http://666kb.com/i/ci2f7dz88giseldhm.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/ci2f7opq3ichykgay.jpg)
Thanks- Daniel
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Yes Daniel, this is Crocus speciosus.
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Hi Dirk!
Thanks!
What would it have to be?
I only planted (fall crocuses) Cr.speciosus and 2 Cr.nudiflorus and on an other place some Cr.sativus .
But it looks different to the others speciosus.
Adios- daniel
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Hi Dirk!
Thanks!
What would it have to be?
I only planted (fall crocuses) Cr.speciosus and 2 Cr.nudiflorus and on an other place some Cr.sativus .
But it looks different to the others speciosus.
Adios- daniel
There often variabily (colour, patterns, shape of flower, height, blooming time, etc.) within species and crocs speciosus is not an exception.
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ok I really need to find out how to identify crocus if it's going to be a new obsession.. What do you guys use as help??
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ok I really need to find out how to identify crocus if it's going to be a new obsession.. What do you guys use as help??
Well, if you are really keen & can afford it, a secondhand copy of Brian Mathew The Crocus (1982) would be my choice. More recent & up-to-date publications are not in the same league.
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On this site there are the 'Crocus Pages', by Tony Goode: http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/index.php?log=crocus (http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/index.php?log=crocus)
There are also the pages prepared by Thomas Huber in the forum to help with crocus hybrid identification :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5061.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5061.0)
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0)
and the rest of this forum's extensive Crocus Section : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?board=10.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?board=10.0) will show you plants in the wild and in cultivations by some of the foremost crocus experts to be found!
There are ten years of Ian Young's Bulb Log : http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=bulb (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=bulb) many of which contain Crocus related info...... with an Index of the first 11 years: http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/index.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/bulblog/index.pdf)
The forum is searchable, of course.... 8)
There is also "The Country of Crocus" the excellent 'blog' of İbrahim Sözen, a Turkish Forumist with a particular passion for Crocus http://crocusmania.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://crocusmania.blogspot.co.uk/) ( not only crocus)
..... so, with this place as a start, you will learn a great deal. :) 8) 8)
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Thank you gerry & maggi!!
I had only found tony's crocus pages, now there's all this other interesting stuff too!!.. I see many late nights ahead!
As for the book, I hope I'll eventually find a reasonably priced one on ebay sooner or later, now there's only one listing from the us..
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As for the book, I hope I'll eventually find a reasonably priced one on ebay sooner or later, now there's only one listing from the us..
Try Abebooks:
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=mathew&sts=t&tn=the+crocus (http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=mathew&sts=t&tn=the+crocus)
$40.00 from USA, $80.00 from UK.
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thnx gerry, I found that too, I'll give it a few weeks of search before I despair and buy the us one, fortunately shipping to greece on abe is cheaper than on ebay
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I got this as Crocus caspius, but where is the yellow throat?
Is it an albino form of caspius or wrongly named? None of my books mention albino forms of Crocus caspius.
Poul
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Don't think that it is caspius. But at peresent havn't any idea what it is.
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I got this as Crocus caspius, but where is the yellow throat?
Is it an albino form of caspius or wrongly named? None of my books mention albino forms of Crocus caspius.
Poul
Poul
could your mystery crocus be a white form of C. goulimyi?
it has the floppy wide tepal shape distinctive of goulimyi
the Crocus caspius i have grown from seed have a unique lobed or ball stigma at the end of the style when the flower matures.
Rimmer
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could your mystery crocus be a white form of C. goulimyi?
if has the floppy wide tepal shape distinctive of goulimyi
Rimmer
My first opinion was the same, but flower shape?
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I got this as Crocus caspius, but where is the yellow throat?
Is it an albino form of caspius or wrongly named? None of my books mention albino forms of Crocus caspius.
Poul
I think it is goulimyi Mani White. Very similar to what I grow under that name. Slightly narrower petals and a more 'starry' shape than is usual for goulimyi. It is not caspius :(
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I'm inclined to agree with C. goulimyi but I'm doubtful about 'Mani White' which, if memory serves, has rather pointed tepals. Perhaps subsp. leucanthus (so-called)?
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I'm inclined to agree with C. goulimyi but I'm doubtful about 'Mani White' which, if memory serves, has rather pointed tepals. Perhaps subsp. leucanthus (so-called)?
I also think that it is not 'Mani White', as the shape not corresponds. here is my 'Mani White'
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I elected for Mani White as the imposter because it is the most widely available white goulimyi. Cynical perhaps but imposters are usually the cheaply available, quick increasing forms. :P
Flower size and shape can vary a bit from season to season, I recently had a conversation with someone whose one corm of vallicola lost its wispy tips this year having displayed them last year.
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Paul Christian:
'Mani White' - £7.50.
"C. goulimyi leucantha"(!) - £3.50
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Thank you all for the ID!
I will re-label it as 'C. goulimyi, white form' (and keep searching for the real caspius)
Poul
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Paul Christian:
'Mani White' - £7.50.
"C. goulimyi leucantha"(!) - £3.50
Doh!! You can now see how rarely I buy crocus.
Quick research - Mani White can be had for a lot less. C goulimyi leucanthus is rarely offered .... might be a snip at 3.50 although in my experience seed raised leucanthus disappoint if there is any chance of hybrids with the blue forms. Many of my seed raisings have come in blue shades, few true to type :(
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I agree with Zhirair. It certainly isn't Mani White. Checking corm tunics will confirm is it goulimyi or not. In my collection are lot of leucanthus, this autumn they were pure white, but I have only few Mani White. I was afraid about virus infection and destroyed my main stock. May be too early? I didn't like flower shape. Now I have small stock from Archibald.
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Doh!! You can now see how rarely I buy crocus.
Quick research - Mani White can be had for a lot less. C goulimyi leucanthus is rarely offered .... might be a snip at 3.50 although in my experience seed raised leucanthus disappoint if there is any chance of hybrids with the blue forms. Many of my seed raisings have come in blue shades, few true to type :(
Very wise Tony! Especially if you want plants that are true to name.
I presume 'Mani White' is reproduced vegetatively whereas 'leucanthus' is from seed. Mine came from JJA seed (very quickly); all are white & look like Poul's plant.
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Thank you all for the ID!
I will re-label it as 'C. goulimyi, white form' (and keep searching for the real caspius)
Poul
Good luck Poul! The last time I was given C. caspius they turned out to be C. hadriaticus. Seed (JJA) of C. caspius sown in 2006 shows no sign of approaching flowering size. If my experience is typical it is not surprising that C. caspius is hard to find.
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To my mind these are nicer than the pure white forms.
Crocus goulimyi leucanthus
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I agree with Zhirair. It certainly isn't Mani White. Checking corm tunics will confirm is it goulimyi or not. In my collection are lot of leucanthus, this autumn they were pure white, but I have only few Mani White. I was afraid about virus infection and destroyed my main stock. May be too early? I didn't like flower shape. Now I have small stock from Archibald.
I do normally not treat crocus like this, but here it is: Crocus 'Caspius' corms
Poul
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I do normally not treat crocus like this, but here it is: Crocus 'Caspius' corms
Poul
It is goulimyi
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here is a pot of C. goulimyi flowering now from NARGS seed 2008-09 #882 and one is white. I don't recall this white one in past years of this pot booming. there are definitely several color variations in the seed lot all from one nice donor in Seattle.
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Lovely potful of C. goulimyi, Rimmer 8)
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here is a pot of C. goulimyi flowering now from NARGS seed 2008-09 #882 and one is white. I don't recall this white one in past years of this pot booming. there are definitely several color variations in the seed lot all from one nice donor in Seattle.
It is excellent white!
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It is excellent white!
Thanks
what is the best way to separate a single bulb from a potful?
Rimmer
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Thanks
what is the best way to separate a single bulb from a potful?
Rimmer
Rimmer - I stick a toothpick near the bulb if it's on the outer edge of the pot. I sometimes take a picture of the pot and note where the bulb is on a rough plot plan and then take care not to disturb them when depotting in the spring, a mark on the pot edge assure the pot orientation is correct for depotting. I have also tied a ribbon to the foliage and take care not (but that doesn't work) to pull the dried foliage off.
Wonderful talk by Mr. Young this morning here. Hopefully he made it down to Raleigh in the big gale that struck here this morning.
johnw
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Thank you John
i tried some of those methods but with not such good results, i usually have to line them out but space is an issue here.
Ian was here last weekend.
which talk(s) did you hear? for us he gave the "high Rise assisted living" talk -very good. i liked the photos of him as a youngster with the huge grass garden contrasted to his place now! gives us hope that we too can create a garden of eden on our suburban lot
Rimmer
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Thanks
what is the best way to separate a single bulb from a potful?
Rimmer
If you are careful, quick & try not to damage the roots too much you can tip them out of the pot while in flower/growth & repot immediately.
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Thank you John
i tried some of those methods but with not such good results, i usually have to line them out but space is an issue here.
Ian was here last weekend.
which talk(s) did you hear? for us he gave the "high Rise assisted living" talk -very good. i liked the photos of him as a youngster with the huge grass garden contrasted to his place now! gives us hope that we too can create a garden of eden on our suburban lot
Rimmer
Rimmer - Space is a big problem here too, so if those methods don't work due to too many bulbs per pot we at least snag the good bulb and a few of its neighbors when dormant and re-select next year. When repotting I should have said we put the 2nd round one per corner of the pot and one in the centre which makes the semi-finals a bit easier.
Ian's talk was Rock Gardens That Have Inspired but of course it was much much more than that. We want a workshop at a quarry the next time he comes!
johnw
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Could that be a form of C. serotinus?
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Could that be a form of C. serotinus?
Yes, it could :)
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;D Thanks for confirmation Tony!
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Hello at all!
Could someone tell me , if that could be Cr.serotinus?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jabitxu/10271920316/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jabitxu/10271920316/#)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12090378@N05/4190676851/#in/photolist-7ojjea-gQ5FmH (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12090378@N05/4190676851/#in/photolist-7ojjea-gQ5FmH)
Thanks and adios (this photo is from Spain)!
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Hello at all!
Could someone tell me , if that could be Cr.serotinus?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jabitxu/10271920316/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jabitxu/10271920316/#)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12090378@N05/4190676851/#in/photolist-7ojjea-gQ5FmH (http://www.flickr.com/photos/12090378@N05/4190676851/#in/photolist-7ojjea-gQ5FmH)
Thanks and adios (this photo is from Spain)!
Both look to be Crocus nudiflorus, the pic with many flowers certainly is.
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Thank you Tony!
Now when you mention it ...
I like this crocus-type!
Daniel
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Hello.
My grandfather made this photo at Malta.
Could that be Cr.cartwrightianus?
Thanks and ciao!
(http://666kb.com/i/ckgvlld2mk8961tro.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/ckgvmagnjzyo4vpis.jpg)
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Hello.
My grandfather made this photo at Malta.
Could that be Cr.cartwrightianus?
Thanks and ciao!
(http://666kb.com/i/ckgvlld2mk8961tro.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/ckgvmagnjzyo4vpis.jpg)
It looks more like Crocus longiflorus to me.
Poul
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Malta = Crocus longiflorus for sure!
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THANKS!
Unfortunately, he has brought me nothing. :-\
Daniel
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I found this little crocus growing in a container today where I am sure crocuses have never been planted so I'm assuming it's a seedling. Any ideas what it is?
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I found this little crocus growing in a container today where I am sure crocuses have never been planted so I'm assuming it's a seedling. Any ideas what it is?
Crocus etruscus. Looks rather like the commercial form which has been mass planted on roadsides here.
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Crocus etruscus. Looks rather like the commercial form which has been mass planted on roadsides here.
Thanks Tony, that would make sense. I have grown C. etruscus 'Zwanenburg' at some point in the past so this is likely a seedling from that.
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Crocus cvijiciii?
It was collected on Vermion, but very low in the forrests
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Surely yes, and is that a white form right beside it? How lovely and how lucky. :)
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Surely yes, and is that a white form right beside it? How lovely and how lucky. :)
Yes indeed, Crocus cvijicii. The white is an ornithogalum of some kind methinks.
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Thanks for your confirmation!
Indeed the smaller flower is part of an Ornithogalum inflorescence!
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Last year I received the crocus shown in the first photo as C. tommasinianus 'Pictus'.
This year the replacement bulbs bloomed (second photo).
Any suggestions?
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Yes indeed, Crocus cvijicii. The white is an ornithogalum of some kind methinks.
Oh yes. How stupid of me. :-[ I didn't even notice the green on the outer petals. Open your eyes girl. ::)
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Last year I received the crocus shown in the first photo as C. tommasinianus 'Pictus'.
This year the replacement bulbs bloomed (second photo).
Any suggestions?
100% virus - must be destroyed!
Janis
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100% virus - must be destroyed!
Janis
Thank you Janis.
Both crocus have a virus? Please tell me more about the virus so I can let the company I bought them from know. I will begin digging them today. :(
Do you know of a source for virus free Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'?
Julie
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Thank you Janis.
Do you know of a source for virus free Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'?
Julie
Try Pottertons Nursery:
http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/browse.php?folder=206 (http://www.pottertons.co.uk/pott/browse.php?folder=206)
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Julie, it's impossible to say exactly what virus. What matters is that they have virus. Just let the seller know that.
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Hello Janis (and the others).
How do you indentify a virus?
Do you mean this irregular stripes?
Today I was in Drebach (a village with many wild crocus).
I would think I saw some similar plante with such stains.
That would be a shame. Unfortunately I did not take any photos. Maybe even show virus-infected crocuses someone a few photos. Thank you
Daniel
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Most sellers are not growing bulbs by themselves and really you can buy Dutch bulbs. No one is saved from virus, even most experienced growers. I destroyed several stocks this spring. I grew them outside and due weather conditions in last years was not easy to differentiate where is frost damage and where virus. Now, when after horrible rodent attack on field grown crocuses, corydalis, erythroniums, irises etc. I planted all residual bulbs in containers in greenhouse and now it was possible to make cleaning.
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Hello Janis (and the others).
How do you indentify a virus?
Do you mean this irregular stripes?
Today I was in Drebach (a village with many wild crocus).
I would think I saw some similar plante with such stains.
That would be a shame. Unfortunately I did not take any photos. Maybe even show virus-infected crocuses someone a few photos. Thank you
Daniel
Hello Daniel,
here a picture from a Crocus vernus with a dark virusinfection. ( Not in my garden!!)
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Thanks Dirk and Janis!
I fear, that I have such in my garden.
I destroyed some tommies last days.
I will keep my eyes open.
Thanks- Daniel
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Please tell me more about the virus so I can let the company I bought them from know. I will begin digging them today. :(
I wonder if your company will take a blind bit of notice Julie. Often letting a company/nursery know their product is diseased, or wrongly named or whatever, and even when the disease name is supplied, or the correct plant name, they take no notice whatsoever and year after year, the problem or the wrong name is perpetuated and continually supplied to those who order it. Shameful behaviour in my opinion. You don't have to take someone's word for it that your plant is wrong but with that starting point it's not difficult to do a little research and confirm or otherwise.
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I wonder if your company will take a blind bit of notice Julie.
Hi Lesley,
I'm wondering the same thing. Last year when the flowers bloomed and they were definitely not what I ordered, they responded to my email by the next day with an offer to issue a refund or send a replacement. Since I really wanted the correct flowers, I chose replacement (in hindsight the refund would have been better).
This time they have not responded. It has only been a few days since I sent the first email letting them know the replacements were also wrong and they followed by an email letting them know about the virus.
If I don't hear back from them soon, I'll try an alternate method of contact.
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And as Janis says - or I think it's what he's saying - :) most nurseries/firms buy their bulbs wholesale from the huge Dutch companies so they have no control over what they are offering to gardeners. My couple of experiences in contacting the Dutch suppliers (way back in the 60s) got me the response that the bulbs had "changed" on their trip over the equator to the other side of the world. Cabbage-looking I may be but green, naive, stupid, I am not!
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This Crocus was pictured on Parnass last week.
Is it still clean veluchensis or some sort of hybrid with atticus sublimis (little yellow in the throat)
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This Crocus was pictured on Parnass last week.
Is it still clean veluchensis or some sort of hybrid with atticus sublimis (little yellow in the throat)
I'd suspect some hybrid influence from sieberi but others with knowledge of the wild populations may be able to confirm this. A very nice specimen ... was it alone or part of a colony of similar plants?
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As far as I can say there were several such types in a colony of atticus ?? Others had not that clear markings like the first following
the next two are named veluchensis by me
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Then two pictures atticus
Many plants looked kike the last ones - somebody ( a bird? ) feeds on them ???
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Greetings!
Can someone tell me the difference between Cr.speciosus and Cr.speciosus 'Aitchinsonii'?
I can't see a difference at my flowers....
Kind regards.
Daniel
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Hi Daniel.
Do you have photos?
Generally C. speciosus is a mix of different forms/clones of speciosus, while Aichinsonii is a selected clone. BUT I found it nearly impossible to get true plants of the speciosus clones in trade, only a few reliable dealers sell them true to name, most have only a mix to offer.... >:(
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Eight petals on Crocus speciosus
two other crocus I need help to identify.
Thanks
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Crocus pulchellus - a very nice form
C. pulchellus Zephyr
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Mike I agree with Thomas - he got in while I took a break from typing mid-sentance :D
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Thomas/Tony, thanks very much.
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C. kotschyanus?
johnw
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C. kotschyanus?
johnw
No - it lacks the distinctive 'w' shaped yellow markings. I'd say it is pulchellus 'Zephyr' (again)
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Thanks Tony. Had I posted another picture of Zephyr as kotschyanus? I was certain this was the first flower on this one in this spot. Meanwhile good to know where I planted that missing Zephyr.
johnw
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John, I also think it's Zephyr.
It was Mike who also posted a photo of Zephyr yesterday - not you...
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Amongst my seedlings one which has finished flowering I have this one labelled as C almehensis which it is clearly not. The seed apparently came with a good pedigree so a mistake as there are a number of similar growths in the pot. Can anyone throw any light on what it might be?
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Amongst my seedlings one which has finished flowering I have this one labelled as C almehensis which it is clearly not. The seed apparently came with a good pedigree so a mistake as there are a number of similar growths in the pot. Can anyone throw any light on what it might be?
Has a rather wizened look to it - difficult to say what it is. Maybe in the sativus group or possibly a serotinus type. If the former then hybridity comes into the equation. The corm and it's tunic will tell as much as this flower.
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Thank you Tony . Sorry about the picture the plant is as I said past its sell by date so hence the wizened state. I will try and key it out and failing that look at the corms either now or next summer
Thanks
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Hello,
this Crocus was collected on Vermion in Greece, about 1200msm in forest-clearings.
Cvijicii or chrysanthus or?
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Hello Pauli, i think this is Crocus chrysanthus.
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cvijicii has end of petal rounded and less concave
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Thanks Udo and Yann for your kind help!
This was also my guess, as confirmed cvijcii from about 2000m is not above ground here yet.
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This crocus is flowering now in the garden with no label. Any idea what it is? I have a similar looking Crocus dalmaticus (2nd picture) flowering in the greenhouse but the stigma is slightly different.
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Hi Cyril.
From the first sight it also looks like Crocus etruscus,
but this one hasn't got such a bright yellow centre,
which would point for Crocus dalmaticus.
Please check the corm tunic!
Strong reticulated tunics will confirm its C. dalmaticus.
The slightly different style falls under natural variation.
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Hi Thomas
I have only just found your reply. Thank you for the information. I will dig up the corm when dormant to confirm.
Here is a picture of similar crocus close by on the raised bed, it must be the same.
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Hi Thomas
I have only just found your reply. Thank you for the information. I will dig up the corm when dormant to confirm.
Here is a picture of similar crocus close by on the raised bed, it must be the same.
Butting in (!) I'd say this one is definitely Crocus sieberi, probably ssp atticus but there are a couple of named clones 'Violet Queen' and 'Firefly' so it might be one of those.
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Many thanks Tony. It might be C. sieberi ssp. atticus as I have grown this in the past. I have never grown 'Violet Queen' and 'Firefly'.
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Please can someone confirm this one (or suggest otherwise?).
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Sorry Anne, can only confirm that this is surely NOT danfordiae.
Do you know where it was collected ?
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No, I got 'C. danfordiae' from 2 different sources in 2010, and I'm not sure which this is. Any ideas what it might be? And what does C danfordiae really look like?
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No, I got 'C. danfordiae' from 2 different sources in 2010, and I'm not sure which this is. Any ideas what it might be? And what does C danfordiae really look like?
This definitely ain't danfordiae. The most notable thing about Crocus danfordiae is it's size, it is tiny. Open flowers perhaps 15mm across, petals circa 10mm long. Current thinking is that there are several similar taxa under the umbrella that we call Crocus danfordiae but all are similarly small flowered.
Here's a picture with my forefinger sideways on for scale.
Leaves are often very upright, flowers distinctly waisted when open.
Your plant looks like a biflorus cultivar type .... but not any of those on Thomas's online reference collection!
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No further comments from me - it doesn't look like any cultivar that I know,
but surely a plant from the 'ex-biflorus complex'..... ???
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I don't think either of the two forms I have are correct, I'm pretty sure I would have noticed if they were tiny, given how keen I am on tiny things. That was probably the reason I bought them in the first place.
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I found a picture of the other one:
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I found a picture of the other one:
Pretty .... but danfordiae, I think not.
PS will I see you next month as I make a return visit to Leeds AGS?
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I found a picture of the other one:
Hello Anne,
this could be Crocus pseudonubigena. Mine of Cambridge Bulbs also look thus and have a little bit black anthers.
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Thanks, Dirk. I don't have a photo of the flower open, and it finished flowering long ago. I will look next year.
Tony, alas no, we will be at Kendal Show. We will miss Loughborough this year, so we thought a visit to Kendal would be good instead.
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I've got these as C. chrysanthus EA Bowles. Could someone confirm that?
The are different from John Grimshaw's pictures in Hubi's COMPILATION OF CROCUS CHRYSANTHUS/BIFLORUS, but close to the picture in Bowles book Colchicum & Crocus.
Poul
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Poul, look here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138259#msg138259 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138259#msg138259) - to see 'E.P. Bowles' - just like yours.
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Another query - can anyone ID this crocus, please?
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Poul, look here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138259#msg138259 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138259#msg138259) - to see 'E.P. Bowles' - just like yours.
Maggi,
Thank you - yes they are identical. I will correct the label, inform my source and keep on searching for the real EA Bowles :)
Poul
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Another query - can anyone ID this crocus, please?
Sorry Maggi, can't help - this doesn't look like any cultivar that I know.
Maybe it's a seedling/hybrid - at least a nice one :o
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Thanks Hubi - I couldn't match it to any in your wonderful lists and I did wonder if it might be a seedling. Pretty thing!
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I've got these as C. chrysanthus EA Bowles. Could someone confirm that?
The are different from John Grimshaw's pictures in Hubi's COMPILATION OF CROCUS CHRYSANTHUS/BIFLORUS, but close to the picture in Bowles book Colchicum & Crocus.
Poul
I think that it is E.P. Bowles. See pictures: 23- E.A. Bowles; 24 - E.P. Bowles (outer flower segments outside)
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I think that it is E.P. Bowles. See pictures: 23- E.A. Bowles; 24 - E.P. Bowles (outer flower segments outside)
Thank you Janis,
I am now convinced that it is EP Bowles.
Poul
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Hi.
I buy them as Cr.chrysanthus `Herald`.
But one of them is different.
It is taller with bright yellow and more lilac than brown/lilac.
But what ist the right?
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0whcrrxiijo3q8f.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/cx0wi117ltqe1gyhb.jpg)
Thanks- Daniel
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Daniel, you can compare with all the cultivars here http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0) - in Thomas Huber's photos of many cultivars . 8)
I think the larger is 'Herald' and the smaller, more brown, is 'Elegance' :)
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Hello Maggi.
That could be.
Thanks, Daniel
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First flower on a seedling from Crocus group. It is labelled C minimus and I wondered if our croconuts could say either way whether it was. The colour is very deep and the photo does not really do it justice. Whatever it is it is very striking
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Looks right to me Ian, and not dis-similar to the form from Col de Bavella, which is also very dark on the outers.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269808673Crocus_minimus.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269808673Crocus_minimus.pdf)
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Looks right to me Ian, and not dis-similar to the form from Col de Bavella, which is also very dark on the outers.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269808673Crocus_minimus.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269808673Crocus_minimus.pdf)
Thanks Matt I had looked on the crocus pages but the anthers and style are different see picture this is why I am not sure
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Hi Ian,
If it's seed from the 'Bavella' form, the stigma will be white rather than the orangey-yellow of other C. minimus. In his book Crocuses, Janis says of 'Bavella':
The color of wild forms of Crocus minimus varies widely. A form collected in Corsica at Col de Bavella...Quite unusual for such deep lilac-colored flowers is the white stigma which normally in C. minumus is yellow or orange.
You can see my plant from Col de Bavella here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12886.msg327743#msg327743) and in a cameo role here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12889.msg328459#msg328459)
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Hi Ian,
If it's seed from the 'Bavella' form, the stigma will be white rather than the orangey-yellow of other C. minimus. In his book Crocuses, Janis says of 'Bavella':
You can see my plant from Col de Bavella here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12886.msg327743#msg327743) and in a cameo role here (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12889.msg328459#msg328459)
Matt thanks for that. The seed wasn't identified as this but it does look as if this is the one . Interestingly I saw the true Bavella the other day at a friends and this seedling seems even more striking in the colour contrast of the outers
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What struck me about your seedling, Ian was the depth of colour running down the tube and the rich velvety look of the purple. A little crackers!
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Could an expert croconut please identify these two for me? Bear in mind that this is the middle of winter here in New Zealand so these are very early spring or genuinely winter flowering.
The white is quite small, well textured so weather-resistant and flowering with the leaves which have been nibbled as it came through. There is slight greyish shading on the backs of the outer petals and a small area at the tips of those petals, of grey and creamy striping.
The yellow is larger and entirely this colour inside and out, no markings. Leaves are just showing.
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Hello Lesley, I am only guessing as the style of both species is difficult to make out : The white one may be Cr. candidus and the yellow one C. sieheanus , which in my garden is a rather small flower .I am sure Marcus will correct me , in case you imported these two from him . regards Otto.
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Thanks Otto, yes I'm sure you're right about C. candidus. I did bring a couple of pots of it with me and they were always very early - July rather than in spring and I do remember it as having that shading on the back so I think that one's right and I'll label it right away before planting it out later. I've never had C. sieheanus so far as I know, except one from seed a few years back which I lost before it bloomed. So I'll leave the books open on this one. Come in Marcus please. It could have come as something else. There are too many (about 6 fl size corms) to be the original seedling some to light after all. I have a really beautiful biflorus ssp issauricus out at present, also from Marcus, such clear, strong colour it stands out beautifully.
Hope all is well with you?
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Bavella isn't strict cultivar. This name is applied for plants collected at Bavella and wild collected stock from Bavella collected there by Jim Archibald has variable stigmas but all have dark flower segments. Of course - most of the stocks from Bavella have white stigmas. Really easiest feature for identification of true C. minimus in garden is very late flowering - here it is the last of all spring blooming crocuses.
Janis
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Currently first flowering in the garden raised from seed is this little beauty.No label .I'm thinking Crocus biflorus ssp isauricus ?.I'd appreciate confirmation or otherwise thanks Dave.
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What a wonderful plant, Dave.
But it will be hard to identify this one - the Turkish 'ex-biflorus' have been devided in so many new species, that I struggle to give an ID... :-[
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Well if YOU don't know Thomas............? :D
The 'Bavella' thing is interesting to me because I had it a few years ago now from Marcus in Tasmania and while the outer segments are the very dark purple as expected, (one just visible in the upper right section of pic 1 below) the buff edging is much wider than in the original pictures we saw, of this collection. The inner segments are a very different shade - almost magenta - from my commercial form, which is the usual, feathered form, though HEAVILY feathered as pic 2 below shows, with a clear purple inner. However, this form has thrown a few seedlings of a wonderful dark outer form though the inner colour is the same as the parent. These seedlings appeared BEFORE I had Marcus' 'Bavella' so there's no question of them being mixed accidentally. I'm lifting and separating each as it appears, to make a colony.
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What a wonderful plant, Dave.
But it will be hard to identify this one - the Turkish 'ex-biflorus' have been devided in so many new species, that I struggle to give an ID... :-[
Thanks Thomas
I'll mark the label as C.biflorus ...........'nice one' ::)
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Dave , I grow the same Crocus as you labelled C. biflorus ssp. isauricus , but I may be wrong and as Hubi says most biflorus subspecies have been renamed as good species .
I loveyour handsome Narcissus with 10 perianth segments , have not seen anything like it here . When are you coming to Melbourne again ?
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Dave , I grow the same Crocus as you labelled C. biflorus ssp. isauricus , but I may be wrong and as Hubi says most biflorus subspecies have been renamed as good species .
I loveyour handsome Narcissus with 10 perianth segments , have not seen anything like it here . When are you coming to Melbourne again ?
Thanks Otto
The Narcissus has been registered if anyone wants further info on it .Sorry i don't know how to make the link.
Wife and youngest daughter planning a trip together to Melbourne next March .I'm on standby if a June China botanising trip doesn't work out.......
Cheers.
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Currently first flowering in the garden raised from seed is this little beauty.No label .I'm thinking Crocus biflorus ssp isauricus ?.I'd appreciate confirmation or otherwise thanks Dave.
Not isauricus, but which one - not easy to tell. I think I published in forum picture of true isauricus this spring.
Janis
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Not isauricus, but which one - not easy to tell. I think I published in forum picture of true isauricus this spring.
Janis
From http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12759.msg324930#msg324930 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12759.msg324930#msg324930)
here is Janis' picture
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Not isauricus, but which one - not easy to tell. I think I published in forum picture of true isauricus this spring.
Janis
Thanks Janis and Maggi
Here's a couple more unknowns ...... :-[
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A member of our Northumberland group has asked me to see if anyone here can help ID this crocus purchased as C. zonatus. When I checked in the Ruksans tome, it is a synonym for C. kotschyanus ssp kotschyanus. But is this that bulb please?
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Most likely some of speciosus group, but could be cancellatus, too. Must to see corm.
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Many thanks Janis, I will tell her we need to see the corm before we can confirm what it is.
Edit June 2016 : .... posts from here copied and new pix of corm added - here
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14424.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=14424.0)
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A member of our Northumberland group has asked me to see if anyone here can help ID this crocus purchased as C. zonatus. When I checked in the Ruksans tome, it is a synonym for C. kotschyanus ssp kotschyanus. But is this that bulb please?
Definitely speciosus .... C zonatus of trade is usually virused and very shy flowering.
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No opinions on t00lie's pix on the previous page?
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4369.msg340049#msg340049 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4369.msg340049#msg340049)
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No opinions on t00lie's pix on the previous page?
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4369.msg340049#msg340049 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4369.msg340049#msg340049)
Some of the biflorus group were tricky to ID under Mathew. In the new erae unless we get precise small details of the plant and/or exact wild location, tricky is not an adequate way to put it. :P
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Some of the biflorus group were tricky to ID under Mathew. In the new erae unless we get precise small details of the plant and/or exact wild location, tricky is not an adequate way to put it. :P
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C zonatus of trade is usually virused and very shy flowering.
And every year this one arrives in Canada from Holland via either Vanhof & Blokker or Ruigrok or both and never flowers. One wonders when the suppliers, retailers and consumers will wake up.
The latest arrival is Crocus chrysanthus 'Roseus'.......... ::)
johnw
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After 7 years my expensive corm of 'C.michelsonii' has finally flowered and looks suspiciously like C sativus. :-\
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Is this really C. asumanae?
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Is this really C. asumanae?
A tentative yes ..... point if division of style should be at anther level. However I cannot see enough to be sure. Alternative would be Crocus pallasii.
The other one is indeed Crocus sativus :(
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Crocus.and.Colchicum/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/groups/Crocus.and.Colchicum/?fref=ts)
This FB group has Crocus moabiticus image at top of page and there are more wild habitat shots in recent posts.
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After 7 years my expensive corm of 'C.michelsonii' has finally flowered and looks suspiciously like C sativus. :-\
That is galling, doubly so when it's supposed to be an expensive beauty. Perhaps the ony occasion to not be please by flowers on C.sativus?
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With only one flower on the now 13 corms, I don't think it will be in my collection next year!
Thanks for your comment, Tony.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/Crocus.and.Colchicum/?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/groups/Crocus.and.Colchicum/?fref=ts)
This FB group has Crocus moabiticus image at top of page and there are more wild habitat shots in recent posts.
N.B These pages are only visible to logged in Facebook members
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N.B These pages are only visible to logged in Facebook members
And re-reading Anne's post I see it is MICHELSONII in the mix-up .... not moabiticus as I read it first time. :-[ I must stop posting late at night!
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With only one flower on the now 13 corms, I don't think it will be in my collection next year!
Thanks for your comment, Tony.
That confirms identification as sativus. It really need long and hot summer to produce many flowers. With me it happens every second or third year only. This autumn I had 4 flowers from three large pots with in total 30-40 corms. A year before blooming was abundant.
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As I suspected, Janis, Thank you. Long hot summers are very rare in North Yorkshire!
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Here is a puzzle. I hope the first is as labelled C. cambessedesii, but the same one has appeared in what is supposed to be pot of C danfordiae. Which is which?
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Pretty thing, Anne - looks like C. cambessedesii to me.
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Here is a puzzle. I hope the first is as labelled C. cambessedesii, but the same one has appeared in what is supposed to be pot of C danfordiae. Which is which?
Both are cambessedesii.
Janis
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Thank you both!
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I expect this one will be easy for all you Crocus buffs - is this C. nudiflorus? Photographed 17 October 2015 in case you were wondering!
Thanks, Tristan
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I expect this one will be easy for all you Crocus buffs - is this C. nudiflorus? Photographed 17 October 2015 in case you were wondering!
Thanks, Tristan
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Yes, looks like Crocus nudiflorus.
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Can somebody put a name on this crocus which started as a single plant on the raised bed (unprotected in all weathers) a few years ago? It seems happy and clumping up modestly. The colours are fairly true showing bright purple petals.
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Looks like sieberii to me Cyril
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Thanks Ruben. I am happy with this. Without a label it is not always easy to be sure. I have C. sieberi ssp. nivalis coming up into flower and I can now see the similarity.
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I got this nice little crocus as C danfordiae, but the flower seems rather larger than I expected.
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No offers?
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A Crocus biflorus?
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It certainly has the look of a chrysanthus / biflorus cultivar. Somewhat close to Blue Pearl (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138205#msg138205) I think, but not identical.
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This beautiful dark blue crocus I got as Crocus adamii. But it is so different from the others that I have. Is it even Crocus adamii or perhaps a hybrid?
(http://up.picr.de/24616196tj.jpg)
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Thanks, folks. Not C danfordiae anyway...
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Doubting myself for a moment, but no, probably not. It's rather too large. The markings on the outers are streaking (like biflorus) rather than spotting/stippling. Also, Janis says (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Apr241398364476IRG52April.pdf) that "in C. danfordiae the stigmatic branches rarely reach higher than the middle of the anthers and never surpass them" and "the throat colour is usually pale yellowish and small" - the yellow throat is quite extensive on your plant.
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I got this nice little crocus as C danfordiae, but the flower seems rather larger than I expected.
I would go with Blue Pearl - although an image search does yield some variation :(
Blue Pearl is widely and cheaply available so it's a likely candidate for this imposter. You rarely get a rarity as an imposter.
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I got this nice little crocus as C danfordiae, but the flower seems rather larger than I expected.
Some of biflorus group.
Janis
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A stranger in a pot of Crocus flavus
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Hi Roma. I would say reticulatus.
John B
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I think that unlikely, John. The corms were bought in autumn from Potterton's nursery and I assume they buy in most of the crocuses they sell large numbers of. They do not have reticulatus in their catalogue. It is not uncommon to get mixed or wrongly named bulbs and corms from Dutch wholesalers.
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Roma, I guess you would have noticed the strongly reticulated corm tunics of Crocus reticulatus between C. flavus corms....
To me it looks like Crocus versicolor, but to be sure a look at the corm tunic would help.
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A stranger in a pot of Crocus flavus
I think you are right about these being bought in, although they do grow some bulbs in frames for future sales. I am with Thomas, this looks like C versicolor, almost certainly the clone Picturatus. Take a look at google images and you'll see what I mean.
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Thanks Thomas and Tony. I will check the corm when the leaves die down. I plan to plant them in my lawn. Crocus pulchellus are all over it so it would be good to have some spring crocuses there as well.
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Roma, in my own crocus lawn C. flavus is not really happy, but always worth a try, maybe your lawn is better suited for this species.
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Hi, I've got a potful of unidentified autumn blooming crocus, grown from Marcus Harvey seed, unfortunately the tag has been broken and of course the missing bit is the species (and the sowing date!).
I was wondering if the brains trust might be able to help me at least identify the pot correctly. If its of any assistance this potful is flowering simultaneously with C goulimyi, C niveus and C. tournfortii. Thanks Anita
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Hi, I've got a potful of unidentified autumn blooming crocus, grown from Marcus Harvey seed, unfortunately the tag has been broken and of course the missing bit is the species (and the sowing date!).
I was wondering if the brains trust might be able to help me at least identify the pot correctly. If its of any assistance this potful is flowering simultaneously with C goulimyi, C niveus and C. tournfortii. Thanks Anita
First impression suggests Crocus thomasii or Crocus oreocreticus. Maybe one name or the ohter will spark a memory :)
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Thanks Tony, C. thomasii sounds likely. Anita
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Is this Crocus flavus or a cross?
http://www.biologforeningen.org/enbiolog/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=55570 (http://www.biologforeningen.org/enbiolog/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=55570)
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Is this Crocus flavus or a cross?
http://www.biologforeningen.org/enbiolog/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=55570 (http://www.biologforeningen.org/enbiolog/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=55570)
That is a very tricky one. I can only make observations on what I can see.
The flowers have some characteristics of Crocus flavus but none of the flavus that I have raised from seed have had the dark stripe/stripes on the outside of the flower. When I see your plant I am reminded of the cultivar 'Dutch Yellow' or 'Yellow Mammoth' which is considered as x stellaris or x luteus 'Stellaris.' This is a supposed hybrid: Crocus angustifolius x Crocus flavus, it is listed as a sterile hybrid. Crocus angustifolius has dark stripes/blotch on the outer petals but much more prominent than in these flowers.
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OK Tony, thanks.
My thought was also 'Yellow Mammoth'.
Someone mentioned it could be a chrysanthus also.
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I too am guilty of not maintaining my labels and as a result this crocus has just flowered and the writing on the label has been rasped off by slugs or snails. I wondered if it might be C. cancellatus or laevigatus fonteneyi [but probably a bit early]. Any help gratefully received. Oh - I live and garden in Swindon, Wiltshire by the way if that helps with flowering times.
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Steve, is it any Crocus cancellatus?
I have another one that I get as Crocus oreocreticus. There was just one real Crocus oreocreticus that I have successfully separarted from the shown ones.
Does anybody know what it is?
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Hi sokol, I'm not sure what species it is! Cancellatus was just a guess and I remember I did grow it. Unfortunately my collection [and garden in general] have been rather neglected over the past few years due to other commitments taking over - hence the labels becoming unreadable/disappearing. I am just getting back into it again and hate growing plants I don't know the name of ;) I'm also very much a beginner when it comes to Crocus ID.
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Steve,
your 'unknown' looks like a typical C. cancellatus ssp. mazziaricus.
Sokol,
looks like nice C. hadriaticus but not oreocreticus.
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That's great! Thanks Armin. Not shown in the shot is the base of the flower - which has both bract and bracteole visible!
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Steve, lucky strike ;D
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:)
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I too am guilty of not maintaining my labels and as a result this crocus has just flowered and the writing on the label has been rasped off by slugs or snails. I wondered if it might be C. cancellatus or laevigatus fonteneyi [but probably a bit early]. Any help gratefully received. Oh - I live and garden in Swindon, Wiltshire by the way if that helps with flowering times.
Crocus mazziaricus ? (cancellatus group)
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Steve, is it any Crocus cancellatus?
I have another one that I get as Crocus oreocreticus. There was just one real Crocus oreocreticus that I have successfully separarted from the shown ones.
Does anybody know what it is?
Not oreocreticus. Could be hadriaticus
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I have got the first Crocus asumaniae as a bulbs, the second as seeds from V. Pilous. I wonder if the first really is this species.
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From seeds, collected in Greece, probably from Evia I have got a pot full of Crocus boryi. Last year appeared a seedling sligthly tinted violet and with stripes outside. Is this just a variation of Crocus boryi or could this be a hybrid with Crocus laevigatus?
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Does the flower closes at night? I think boryi x tournefortii
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Thx, good idea because of the style. I saw the differences but I didn't draw the right conclusion. The flower is still open while the others are all closed. But the flower is now withering and this also could be the reason. I hope to see a second flower to be quite sure.
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Yes i also tought because of the style! Also hopen for a second flower. Then you could know for 100% (if flowers closes or stays open)
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I will check that. The plants will have some time to develop as it shall rain here till friday.
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Any suggestions for this Crocus?
In reality it is a Little more blueish.
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Herbert,
is it from Italy?
It is difficult to judge from image - perhaps it is a pale colored form of C. ligusticus?
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Thanks Armin for your help. I do grow ligusticus, but as you say, it is usually much darker. Perhaps a lighter seedling....
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Mmm, The label for this said Crocus Candida, so not as far as I know a valid name. Flowering now. Can't get near my Crocus book due to builder chaos! So suggestions please.
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Martin,
your crocus is a typical C. ligusticus. Many stocks of commerce are virused but yours look healthy.
I grew it 2 or 3 years outside in the garden. But this beautiful species, amoung many others, didn't survive Feb. 2012 bare frosts. :'(
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Thanks Armin.
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These have popped up in one of my 'crocus areas' in the grass. Any ideas? I have a vague memory of buying C. suworowianus from Janis a few years ago but I don't think they have flowered before.
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Crocus pulchellus?
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I would also say the pale one is Crocus pulchellus, the other one Crocus speciosus.
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Yes, the blue is C. speciosus,
the pale one is C. pulchellus 'Zephyr' or a seedling of 'Zephyr'.
In my lawn I find 3 typs of Zephyr-seedlings:
- white flowers, like pulchellus Albus
- blue speciosus-like flowers with white anthers,
- greyish flowers, looking like the parent plant
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Thanks all. I wonder where they came from, as I don't recall planting either species. They are very pretty though!
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Can anyone put a name to this Crocus please? I bought it as C. nudiflorus but am sure it isn't, unless it's a very different looking form than the other plants of that species in my garden. The plant is shorter than that species (12cm tall, flower almost 4cm) and has leaves showing while flowering (almost 2cm long at this stage). The plant is growing from 1 bulb planted this autumn.
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C. medius maybe?
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My suggestion would be more Crocus serotinus.
Maybe C. serotinus salzmannii 'Erectophyllus'.
Nice dark form.
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C. medius maybe?
My suggestion would be more Crocus serotinus.
Maybe C. serotinus salzmannii 'Erectophyllus'.
Nice dark form.
Thank you both for the suggestions. I had wondered whether it might be C. medius but I think C. serotinus (and probably subsp. salzmannii) seems to be a better match.
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I bought this crocus a year ago. The label says Crocus ?medius. Can you tell from this pic whether it is. Should open more in a day or so and I will take more pics then.
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And a lovely clump of this Crocus, been blooming at least two weeks now. Lost label but I seem to remember planting Crocus sativus in this spot a few years ago. This is the first year it's really bloomed if so, but has been well worth waiting for. If you read this Maggi, can you tell me how I can turn the pics right way up?
edit by maggi: I've rotated the pix for you Christine - it's something to do with how the pix are loaded from the camera/device in the first place I think - seems I am able to turn most of them more easily than the ipad etc.
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The C. medius? Opened more this am
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Hello Chris,
your C. medius is now called C. ligusticus. :)
From image your nice clump of C. sativus looks more like the very close C. cartwrightianus due shorter stigmas compared to C. sativus.
C. sativus is a sterile clone and does not set seed. So if you get seeds... ;)
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Thanks Armin, I will rename the one and watch to see if I get seed on the other. However the latter is in full bloom right now and I thought that species was spring flowering?
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All members of 'Crocus Sativus Group' ie. sativus, cartwrightianus, oreocreticus, thomasii, hadriaticus, pallasii, moabiticus, mathewii, asumaniae, have their blossom in autuum.
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Hello Chris. With flowers blooming as if it were Crocus sativus, the stigma should pass between the tepals of the flower and hang down. I think Armin is right. So you could get seeds thereof.
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Thank you all. I will certainly look for the seeds.
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Anybody recognize this crocus? (Pyrinees September)
http://www.biologforeningen.org/enbiolog/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=59190 (http://www.biologforeningen.org/enbiolog/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=59190)
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Hi Trond,
2 species come into my mind when I look on the picture: C. nudiflorus and C. serotinous ssp. salzmanni.
By image I tend to the former C. nudiflorus.
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Hi Armin,
Thank you for your suggestion. For me nudiflorus looks right!
Trond
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Can anyone ID this, please?
This crocus came from JJA Seeds as "354.706 CROCUS VITELLINUS". I now think this is Crocus veneris… :-\
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Can anyone ID this, please?
This crocus came from JJA Seeds as "354.706 CROCUS VITELLINUS". I now think this is Crocus veneris
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I suppose not veneris. More resemble aleppicus. Can easy to be misidentified with vitellinus if seeds are collected wild (as Jim's seeds mostly were), because areas of both overlap. C. veneris has 3-4 leaves, aleppicus 5-9. Corm tunics are slightly different, too. veneris - has parallel fibres throughout, aleppicus - slightly reticulated at the apex. I can't check this on attached picture. Veneris come from Cyprus, so I don't think that Jim could mix them.
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I suppose not veneris. More resemble aleppicus. Can easy to be misidentified with vitellinus if seeds are collected wild (as Jim's seeds mostly were), because areas of both overlap. C. veneris has 3-4 leaves, aleppicus 5-9. Corm tunics are slightly different, too. veneris - has parallel fibres throughout, aleppicus - slightly reticulated at the apex. I can't check this on attached picture. Veneris come from Cyprus, so I don't think that Jim could mix them.
Thank you very much for your ID, Janis :) This must be C. aleppicus.
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Yes, aleppicus.
Janis
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Thanks again, Janis :)
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I'm also in trouble ;D i've found this one without label among seedlings.
I was thinking of alatavicus but the black anthers make me doubt.
Any help is welcome
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It is true that alatavicus has a yellow throat and a sepale on two punctuated with gray on the outside ... however the stigmata are not black
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Question: When I see the name "Crocus caeruleus". This implies "Crocus pestalozzae var. Caeruleus"?
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Question: When I see the name "Crocus caeruleus". This implies "Crocus pestalozzae var. Caeruleus"?
Crocus caeruleus is the new name for the plant previously known as Crocus vernus albiflorus
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Thanks Diane. This is distinctly different.
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I'm also in trouble ;D i've found this one without label among seedlings.
I was thinking of alatavicus but the black anthers make me doubt.
Any help is welcome
Yann,
how about hyemalis ?
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Hi folks
Found these being sold off for a few pence in the local supermarket, just wondering if anyone can help with an id. They're labelled as a 'chrysanthus mixed'.
Apologies for the pics - they're what are on the box but may not even be indicative of what's inside. Have included a pic of the corms - hope it's clear enough.
Thanks!
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Armin i think you're right, the pot was't moved for a while and it was around hyemalis pots.
Thus my other hyemalis are less pigmented, may be seeds germinated in this Gynandriris pot.
I've checked roots of the Gynandriris are still present.
2 in 1 that's how to increase number of species per m² inside the greenhouse ;D
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Crocus caeruleus is the new name for the plant previously known as Crocus vernus albiflorus
Plant previously known as vernus albiflorus now has name C. vernus
The species forrmerly known as . vernus etc. now are split in
C. heuffelianus, C. neapolitanus, C. neglectus, C. siculus and C. vernus.
Crocus pestalozzae blue - at present corectly - Crocus pestalozzae subsp. violaceus.
Crocus caeruleus - such name isn't officially published - see IPNI plant name register.
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I'm also in trouble ;D i've found this one without label among seedlings.
I was thinking of alatavicus but the black anthers make me doubt.
Any help is welcome
Not alatavicus! Some of biflorus group but too little inforrmation on pictures for identification.
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Hi folks
Found these being sold off for a few pence in the local supermarket, just wondering if anyone can help with an id. They're labelled as a 'chrysanthus mixed'.
Apologies for the pics - they're what are on the box but may not even be indicative of what's inside. Have included a pic of the corms - hope it's clear enough.
Thanks!
Horrible mix, some chrysanthus? , some sublimis etc. - (judging by pictures and corms)
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Janis here's a crop of the photo for more details.
the stripe is not clearly marked as typical hyemalis form.
=> back from the greenhouse after several research under pots i finally found the label ::)
this is hyemalis, origine from the Carmel Mountains, in Israel and checking my computer i've noted this form has pigmentation and not straight stripes. Mystery solved!
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Horrible mix, some chrysanthus? , some sublimis etc. - (judging by pictures and corms)
Thanks Janis
Do you mean horrible as in poor combination/companions?
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Thanks Janis
Do you mean horrible as in poor combination/companions?
I hate mixes... This case all seem to be easy and could grow in similar conditions.
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Hi folks
Found these being sold off for a few pence in the local supermarket, just wondering if anyone can help with an id. They're labelled as a 'chrysanthus mixed'.
Apologies for the pics - they're what are on the box but may not even be indicative of what's inside. Have included a pic of the corms - hope it's clear enough.
Thanks!
Hello Shaun,
your label of the commercial mix (of most likely dutch origin) usually contain:
white one - C. chrysanthus hybrid 'Ard Schenk'
yellow one: - C. chrysanthus hybrid 'Goldilocks'
pale yellow one the left background C. chrysanthus hybrid 'Romance'
blue one with yellow white: C. sieberi ssp. sublimis 'Tricolor'
A very good compilation of chrysanthus cultivars can be found on the forum. Check and compare them again when they are in flower.
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0)
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Thank you Armin!
I'll certainly share what comes up. I can't resist buying them when I see them at such giveaway prices!
I really appreciate the input from you all in this brilliant little community - I'm learning a great deal already from the resources on here.
Thanks again!
Shaun
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Hello everyone. The past year in January - February, in the glasshouse. I proudly presented the Crocus corsicus that I bought at "Nijssen Bulbs". It was in bloom.
The informed members of the forum told me that it was not Crocus corsicus but. They said it was something else.
To recap, here are the photos of what I thought was Crocus corsicus.
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This year I bought a new crocus corsicus. It is planted next to the one that is not corsicus. I photographed the two plants side by side. There is a marked difference in vegetation growth. On the left, the one that is not corsicus. On the right, the new corme of this year. Both were planted at the same time.
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Hello everyone. The past year in January - February, in the glasshouse. I proudly presented the Crocus corsicus that I bought at "Nijssen Bulbs". It was in bloom.
The informed members of the forum told me that it was not Crocus corsicus but. They said it was something else.
To recap, here are the photos of what I thought was Crocus corsicus.
Seem to be biflorus or rhodensis (?) - depends from anther colour (connective - in rhodensis greyish toned at least partly), size of flower (rhodensis smaller) and length of leaves at anthesis (in rhodensis twice as long as in biflorus). Of course - as biflorus here is regarded type biflorus from Italy. Corsicus blooms later, too.
But they could be virus infected - see flower segments on the second and on the last picture - they didn't look smooth as it could be in healthy plant. Although the same can be seen on other pictures, too.
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Hi folks
Any help with id much appreciated. Let me know if any further info is required :)
Thanks!
Shaun
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Hi folks
Any help with id much appreciated. Let me know if any further info is required :)
Thanks!
Shaun
Too many options possible. Must see corm tunics.
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Hi folks
Any help with id much appreciated. Let me know if any further info is required :)
Thanks!
Shaun
At first sight Crocus flavus but as Janis says corm tunics will help.
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A few Crocus pots from a friend's garden and sadly with no labels. I suspected they were tommies as I recall them in the area where they were dug. To be sure I wrote to a friend in BC, he said "in my opinion these would be vernus x tommasinianus. The suspicion is aroused because the leaves are a little broad for tom, the outer surface of the outer tepals is coloured, not the white to pale pale grey-purple of what I take to be pure tom. I take the description from the Brian Mathew book as the authoritative guide."
Looking at many tommie photos I see many selections lacking white outers.
Any opinions?
john
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I planted some corms labelled Crocus chrysanthus 'Herald' last autumn and the resulting plants are a mixture of two sorts. From descriptions I am assuming the paler yellow plant (on the right in the first picture) is 'Herald' but I'm not sure what the other plant is. The flowers are bright golden-yellow with the outside of the outer petals mostly dark reddish-brown. The style is orange and the anthers have black basal barbs. Closest I can find seems to be 'Elegance'. Can anyone confirm or otherwise please?
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I discovered a Crocus today in a pot of seedlings of Galanthus krasnovii. Does anybody has an idea what it is?
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Hiya, I bought this crocus recently, labelled C. alatavicus, but when I looked for more information on it, in Janis's book, I realised it wasn't that species at all.....but what is it? Can anyone help please? (My apologies for the quality of the photographs).
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I discovered a Crocus today in a pot of seedlings of Galanthus krasnovii. Does anybody has an idea what it is?
Crocus baytopiorum ..... wish they would 'pop up' in pots here :-)
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Hiya, I bought this crocus recently, labelled C. alatavicus, but when I looked for more information on it, in Janis's book, I realised it wasn't that species at all.....but what is it? Can anyone help please? (My apologies for the quality of the photographs).
Nice biflorus type .... so may names in that area now. Looks very like one I have which is labelled isauricus but I cannot be confident.
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Thanks for that Tony. I'll re-label it with that information.....plus question mark, and just enjoy it for what it is.
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Crocus baytopiorum ..... wish they would 'pop up' in pots here :-)
Thanks Tony, that's also not standard here ;) . I must have reused the potting mix for the Galanthus as they grow both outside but 30m apart.
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I am not quite sure whether this Cocus is veluchensis or a sublimis. Seed was collected 2009 in the very East of Greece at low levels (200m asl). Just one bulb has developed so I can't compare it with others. The throat is slightly yellow and the flowers are huge, double size of sublimis for example.
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At last it starts to bloom. To the crocus I have a question. It is assumed that plants that are faded from farmyard gardens are found here in damp places. It is (except C. alatavicus) the first crocus which appears here. Much earlier than the whole garden crocuses. What kind could that be? We also have a native crocus species (C. vernus), but the flowers are very late and the flowers are longer and much more cattle.
C. tommasinianus ???
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At last it starts to bloom. To the crocus I have a question. It is assumed that plants that are faded from farmyard gardens are found here in damp places. It is (except C. alatavicus) the first crocus which appears here. Much earlier than the whole garden crocuses. What kind could that be? We also have a native crocus species (C. vernus), but the flowers are very late and the flowers are longer and much more cattle.
C. tommasinianus ???
Crocus tommasinianus - Yes :)
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Thanks :D
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Some years ago I bought some Crocus Tricolor. Among them was a few of these. They grow very well in the garden and set seeds every year.
Can anyone identify them?
Poul
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Some years ago I bought some Crocus Tricolor. Among them was a few of these. They grow very well in the garden and set seeds every year.
Can anyone identify them?
Poul
Crocus etruscus 'Zwanenberg' - commercial clone.
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Thank you Tony for the id!
Poul
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From Crocus Group seedex ,name unknown,(my own :-[ ).. Sorry I don't have a photo of the corm.
An autumnal species currently flowering here at the bottom of the planet.
Any ideas thanks.
Cheers Dave.
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This is Crocus hadriaticus, Dave. I like the forms with a brown tube.
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This is Crocus hadriaticus, Dave. I like the forms with a brown tube.
Thanks a lot Matt.
I'll put a proper label with it tomorrow.
Cheers Dave.
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Another unknown autumn Crocus .
Cheers Dave.
Edit been given an Id of 'Crocus pulchellus, but looks like it has some speciosus blood, so probably a hybrid'.
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Can anyone suggest an ID for this lovely autumn flowering, white Crocus?
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Another unknown autumn Crocus .
Cheers Dave.
Edit been given an Id of 'Crocus pulchellus, but looks like it has some speciosus blood, so probably a hybrid'.
I'd say it's speciosus with depauperate anthers, lacking pollen. The yellow tinge in the throat leaves room for doubt though.
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Can anyone suggest an ID for this lovely autumn flowering, white Crocus?
Whitish anthers suggest some pulchellus blood in it. Something close to the hybrid/form known as 'Zephyr' maybe
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Thanks Tony, that's interesting. I think that's a distinct possibility.
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The label on this pot of crocus (which is in flower now) has been lost.
I thought it looked like Crocus (sieberi) atticus but would be grateful for any opinions on this. Many thanks.
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The label on this pot of crocus (which is in flower now) has been lost.
I thought it looked like Crocus (sieberi) atticus but would be grateful for any opinions on this. Many thanks.
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At first check the throat of flower - if it is hairy - it is sublimis. Corm tunics then will be finely reticulated. Finely reticulated tunics has C. nivalis, too but then throat is glabrous
If tunics are coarsely reticulated - 2 options: atticus has long neck, athous - short neck.
Check descriptions and pictures in my book "The World of Crocuses". There is quite usable key given, too.
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Many thanks Janis.
I enclose a couple of close-up images of the flower throat. I cant see obvious hairs -what do you think? I will check the corms when the plant goes dormant.
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Many thanks Janis.
I enclose a couple of close-up images of the flower throat. I cant see obvious hairs -what do you think? I will check the corms when the plant goes dormant.
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I think that it is Croicus atticus.
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Many thanks Maestro! ;)
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This crocus is from the Crocus Group seedex 2014 and is flowering for the first time. It was labeled C. nerimaniae ex. PP Watt. which it clearly isn't. But what could it be then?
The flower looks viruzed to me, but the leaves look healthy. Let me hear what the experts say.
Poul
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I think that it is Croicus atticus.
Throat is glabrous, I suppose C. atticus.
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This crocus is from the Crocus Group seedex 2014 and is flowering for the first time. It was labeled C. nerimaniae ex. PP Watt. which it clearly isn't. But what could it be then?
The flower looks viruzed to me, but the leaves look healthy. Let me hear what the experts say.
Poul
Afraid that virus infected, most likely seedling of C. vernus/albiflorus/heuffelianus group. But I don't like flower.
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Thank you Janis.
I will discard this pot.
Poul
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is one of the first Crocus flowering in my garden (together with alatavicus)
Please help to identify ???
I assume Crocus fleischeri
Bernd
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is one of the first Crocus flowering in my garden (together with alatavicus)
Please help to identify ???
I assume Crocus fleischeri
Bernd
Yes. Correct :)
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Dear Members,
I have a reasonable small crocus collection by now and this flower popped up among them.
I looked in books, internet and so far I can't find it. The flower is very small (3 cm across) and this picture was taken today (late flowering).
Anyone?
Thank you
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Steven- that pretty flower is a Romulea.
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Maggi you're like the shape of the flower (a star)!
No idea how this beautiful surprise ended up between the crocus but its a very welcome addition.
Thank you :-)
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Aww shucks!
I think Romulea are really lovely but they never seem to get great press in spite of their often astonishing colours - so perhaps they sneak into odd places to make their point! ;D
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Welcome Steven. Your Romulea is possibly R. zahnii. I think if Romulea had been about the height of a Crocus and with the same growth habit of a Crocus they would have been much more popular. I found them very untidy plants and I'm such a tidy soul, just ask Mrs N. ;D
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Hi David, Thank you for your welcome.
I think I might have solved the 'mystery': Two years ago we went on summer holiday to Portugal. What first appeared to be dry grass caught my attention when I saw a Crocus like seedpod. I dug up the corm and also the corm looked like a (very small) Crocus corm. I took it home, planted it in a pot without a label for later identification. All along I thought it was a Crocus but now I'm happy it was identified as a Romulea.
Looking at pictures of Romulea on Google it appears to also be very similar to R. bulbocodium. Both yellow and white stigma colours seem to exist.
But since I am in the Crocus forum now I suppose I should better continue this discussion elsewhere.
Again thank you for you contribution in solving this matter.
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What might these crocuses be? Something common because they were planted from garden center Crocus botanical mix, but I think they are pretty, especially the pattern in the outside of petals, and doing well in my garden.
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Currently flowering well after being fed with sulphate of potash last season this was raised from seed as C.oreocreticus many moons ago and that is what I have been calling it.
I had a visitor yesterday who wondered if it is actually C. pallasii ssp pallasii ?. Anyone have any thoughts please.
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What might these crocuses be? Something common because they were planted from garden center Crocus botanical mix, but I think they are pretty, especially the pattern in the outside of petals, and doing well in my garden.
Crocus etruscus - hort form
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Currently flowering well after being fed with sulphate of potash last season this was raised from seed as C.oreocreticus many moons ago and that is what I have been calling it.
I had a visitor yesterday who wondered if it is actually C. pallasii ssp pallasii ?. Anyone have any thoughts please.
It does look more like C pallasii - the style is typical of that species and much shorter than is typical for C oreocreticus.
A quick look at google images for each will show you what I mean.
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It does look more like C pallasii - the style is typical of that species and much shorter than is typical for C oreocreticus.
A quick look at google images for each will show you what I mean.
Thanks a lot Tony ,I've gone and altered the label.
I've had a good germination of C.pallasii from last years UKCG seedex so it will be great if they turn out similar as its a smashing plant.
Cheers.
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Crocus etruscus - hort form
Thank you! It is a very nice early little crocus which does well in my garden, so now I know what to buy more. :)
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This stranger popped up in a pot of Crocus banaticus which self-seeded there since 3 years. Any suggestions what this may be?
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Think, it is Crocus nudiflorus.
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Thank You, Udo, that´s what I think, too. The problem is, that the kind donor told me, that he doesn´t grow Crocus nudiflorus, and we wonder, how this one got into his pot with Crocus banaticus.
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I came across a few hundred of these Crocuses in a Shropshire churchyard yesterday growing mixed with C. speciosus. Not sure what they are but my best guess is C. ligusticus? Any help appreciated.
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Hello experts,
This crocus was sent to me as C. thomasii but it's missing the yellow throat.
If it's not C. thomasii what could it be?
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Crocus nudiflorus
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I came across a few hundred of these Crocuses in a Shropshire churchyard yesterday growing mixed with C. speciosus. Not sure what they are but my best guess is C. ligusticus? Any help appreciated.
Crocus nudiflorus - naturalises well if undisturbed
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Crocus nudiflorus - naturalises well if undisturbed
Thanks but I don't think it was C. nudiflorus. I have C. nudiflorus in my garden and also visited two naturalised colonies of that species in Shrewsbury on the same day I saw these. In comparison this plant was much shorter, smaller flowered and grew in clumps, rather than as scattered flowers. I suspect they had been planted in large numbers rather than established themselves.
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Thanks but I don't think it was C. nudiflorus. I have C. nudiflorus in my garden and also visited two naturalised colonies of that species in Shrewsbury on the same day I saw these. In comparison this plant was much shorter, smaller flowered and grew in clumps, rather than as scattered flowers. I suspect they had been planted in large numbers rather than established themselves.
Yes. I see what you mean about the 'clumpy' planting. I can also see signs of leaves just appearing which rules out nudiflorus, speciosus and ligusticus (medius) assuming they develop now rather than much later. Crocus serotinus sl flowers with it's leaves developing but I have not know it to be available for planting such as this.
There are various forms of crocus speciosus cheaply available in the trade .... perhaps ..... confused!
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I would be grateful if someone could put a name to the three Crocus species below:
Crocus #1
The first two images are of a pot of seedlings that have now reached flowering size. Unfortunately the label was lost. It is currently in flower.
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Crocus #2
This is a pot of seedlings raised from wild seed collected by Vlastimil Pilous. The collection details are: sp. Akseli, Central Taurus, Turkey. Currently in flower.
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Crocus #3
The third is also Spring-flowering and is another Pilous collection. The seed was collected at Velje Brdo, Montenegro. The first image is of the open flower, the second shows the external appearance of the flower.
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The first picture is Crocus nevadensis, other two species difficult to say.
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Many thanks Dirk!
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The first picture is Crocus nevadensis, other two species difficult to say.
I agree and only can add that first looks as nevadensis aff. from Marocco.
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Many thanks Janis.
The nevadensis was sown with various other seed acquisitions from Vlastimil Pilous. I have just checked and fortunately still have a copy of the email listing the seeds I purchased from him. These seeds were sold as: Crocus sp. Sierra Guadaramma, Central Spain.
The Sierra de Guadaramma lies to the north and west of Madrid -possibly outwith the accepted range for nevadensis (??). It is close to the Montes Carpetanos where Crocus carpetanus was first described (Im not suggesting that it is carpetanus).
I agree that my plants look identical to your Moroccan nevadensis (p363 of your book) but I have never sown any seed of Crocus from Morocco and am now sure that these are from the Sierra Guadaramma seed.
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Crocus from Montenegro - in open woodland, ca. 850 m
I would be glad if someone will be able to identify this species
Crocus tommasinianus perhaps???
Gerd
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Yes, looks like Crocus tommasinianus.
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Thank you Dirk - so I am sure with my guess!
Gerd
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I'm trying to make sense of Crocus for (British) botanical recording purposes, and due to the taxonomic uncertainties I think that identification to cultivar is preferable when possible. Is this 'Pickwick'?
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Hello lavateraguy - glad you managed to post your photo. A couple of things - first , yes, I believe that is 'Pickwick'. Secondly, I'm afraid I also see some virus in the flower - the thicker blob of dark colouring is the sign.
Thirdly - this thread here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.0) should be of great help in figuring out what cultivars of CHRYSANTHUS/BIFLORUS you may come across - Thomas Huber compiled it some time ago and it is still very useful.
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I'd missed the small print about file sizes.
I've already been using SRGC as a resource - I've been looking into Crocus for a couple of years, starting with hitting the academic literature - https://www.ispotnature.org/communities/uk-and-ireland/view/project/776035/crocus (https://www.ispotnature.org/communities/uk-and-ireland/view/project/776035/crocus)
From the same site (a small area of mown urban grassland) here's a white plant, which I presume to be 'Jeanne d'Arc'.
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And a purple one - I'm less convinced about this one, but I'm guessing at 'Flower Record'
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And the 'Pickwick' from a different angle.
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Photographed at Ness Botanic Gardens in February 2003, and in my files as Crocus flavus. Crocus x luteus 'Golden Yellow'? (I suspect that the identification as Crocus flavus is my error, having been misled by the widespread sale of 'Golden Yellow' as flavus.)
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And some photographed at Chester Zoo in the same month. These could be 'Golden Yellow' as well, but is it possible to tell from this photograph? (I understand that it's not Crocus chrysanthus sensu strictu, which has longer styles, but I don't know how to exclude other yellow-flowered crocuses.)
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Autumn-flowering crocus photographed on the banks of the moat at Little Moreton Hall in 2001. Crocus speciosus?
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Autumn-flowering crocus photographed on the banks of the moat at Little Moreton Hall in 2001. Crocus speciosus?
It is Crocus pulchellus
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Thanks. Sorry about the lateness - I hadn't noticed I'd been logged out, and was wondering why I couldn't find a reply button.
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These were bought as 'Advance', but lack the blueish markings on the outer tepals. (The packet illustration was correct for 'Advance'.)
'Romance'?
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These were bought as 'Advance', but lack the blueish markings on the outer tepals. (The packet illustration was correct for 'Advance'.)
'Romance'?
Yes, matches Thomas Huber's ID pix http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138224#msg138224 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138224#msg138224)
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These were bought as 'Jeanne d'Arc'. (I'd was suspicious when the corms arrived, as they were a lot smaller than the corms of other Dutch Crocus varieties, and the tunic appeared different, but I didn't have the confidence in my understanding of corm morphology to draw a conclusion.) Clearly not.
'Ard Schenk'?
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These were bought as 'Jeanne d'Arc'. (I'd was suspicious when the corms arrived, as they were a lot smaller than the corms of other Dutch Crocus varieties, and the tunic appeared different, but I didn't have the confidence in my understanding of corm morphology to draw a conclusion.) Clearly not.
'Ard Schenk'?
For comparison ... http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138208#msg138208 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5060.msg138208#msg138208)
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Grown from seed as Crocus mathewii which I'm sure it isn't, but what is it? Is it C. longiflorus?
Flowering now, autumn in Australia,
cheers
fermi
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Grown from seed as Crocus mathewii which I'm sure it isn't, but what is it? Is it C. longiflorus?
Flowering now, autumn in Australia,
cheers
fermi
I can see why you think it might be C. longiflorus. I'm really not sure but think perhaps something else, something from the sativus group which of course includes mathewii. The long style branches remind me of them, C thomasii or C asumaniae perhaps? The corm shape and tunic are completely different in C longiflorus compared with the sativus group so that is something you can look at in dormancy which would rule longiflorus in or out.
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Thanks, Tony.
Unfortunately I neglected to take a pic when I repotted some of the corms still in pots!
cheers
fermi
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This crocus popped up in my garden. The flowers are the size of a tommasinianus. Is it an albiflorus or could it be a throw-back Crocus vernus?
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Keeping in the theme of Crocus tommasinianus, this is another spontaneous pop-up. Would this be considered Roseus? I do have a bought Roseus but it is still under snow. I seem to recall its petals were more pointed and the flowers lighter pink.
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Keeping in the theme of Crocus tommasinianus, this is another spontaneous pop-up. Would this be considered Roseus? I do have a bought Roseus but it is still under snow. I seem to recall its petals were more pointed and the flowers lighter pink.
That's a very nice one. It's hard to tell from this picture but it looks more of a claret colour on the outside. There is a 'Claret Form' the originated in Primrose Warburg's garden decades ago - not sure how widely it's grown these days but you may have a similar seedling there.
The white one you show is nice too and has something of vernus about it as you say.
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Any suggestions for this lost label one, flowering today;
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Gail, pending arrival of the experts I'd suggest C. niveus which has a yellow throat.
The stamens are paler than usual but I think this falls within the variability of the species.
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Thank you Ashley, I did buy Crocus niveus from Paul Christian in 2017 (although that was said to be the late form)
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My friend George got this crocus as something else (C. serotinus salzmannii)!
It's in flower now (end of winter in Australia).
Any ideas on what it is?
cheers
fermi
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Crocus olivieri.
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Thank you.
I'll pass that on,
cheers
fermi
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Can anyone identify this Crocus for me? Im in Tassie, so its late winter/early spring down here. The closest match I can find is Crocus etruscus. However, the absence of any yellow in the throat (at any point in the life of the flower) threw me. Perhaps a particular cultivar of etruscus?
Im unsure if the provenance of the bulb, but its likely from Marcus Harvey, either purchased from him or from some of his seeds. Perhaps a hybrid? Once again I find myself thinking if only Marcus was still here to ask.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.