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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: PaulFlowers on February 28, 2022, 06:01:31 AM

Title: Pleione 2022
Post by: PaulFlowers on February 28, 2022, 06:01:31 AM
Pleione Lucey
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: PaulFlowers on February 28, 2022, 06:03:57 AM
Pleione chunii x humilis - I don’t know what it’s name is. This must have been an eBay purchase
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on March 01, 2022, 02:48:04 PM
Hi Paul,
     That chunii x humilis is curious... I looked on the Pleione Info website, and that is not a hybrid that has been registered. Of course that doesn't mean it doesn't exist! However your picture doesn't show much influence of humilis!

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 01, 2022, 07:25:42 PM
Tim- I can see the chunii -small and chunky!  I’d thought the early flowering might be from Humilis I’ll try and check my eBay records in case it’s me being daft
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Muppet on March 04, 2022, 10:11:32 AM
Chunii x Humilis was a cross made by Kath Fairhurst with the seedlings raised by the late Peter Clarke . Flowers on these vary from pure white through to pale pink with varying lip markings .This cross was not registered because it flowered after Kath had stopped growing Pleione and a fair few other unregistered nice crosses from Kath are also possibly still around. Paul you most certainly would have purchased this on Ebay from Pleionecyclamen.. This cross I believe has also been done more recently by Anthura but no idea how these compare or if this is indeed a reverse cross.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on March 06, 2022, 06:24:33 PM
Thanks Muppet,
      Good info. on Chunii x Humilis hybrids!

Tim DH

PS Curious choice of forum name.. Around here 'Muppet' is not a complimentary epithet!
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Muppet on March 07, 2022, 07:27:58 PM
You can call me Kermit if you like Tim  :) ,tying to keep identity a mystery ,only joined really to give this info.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 08, 2022, 05:21:31 AM
Grandiflora yellow lip. I love this one- reminds me of cream eggs!
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Dave Cowley on March 12, 2022, 11:51:30 PM
Hi all, first time posting to the forum.  Great to join you all and share my collection & cultural tips through the year if of interest?

I've also got several Disa, carnivorous & other orchids, inc. tropical, native terrestrial and a handful of calanthe & cypripedium.

P humilis had only one flower to start the season but didn't fully form, but P forrestii has not disappointed.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Maggi Young on March 13, 2022, 12:24:21 AM
Hello Dave,  lots to find of interest with orchids, isn't there?  So easy to get addicted to these as to other plants - thank goodness these addictions are still legal!!
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 14, 2022, 05:46:56 AM
Dave- forrestii is usually one of my first. No show or late this year I hope.

These are a few out yesterday.

Yen yen red
capachin (my bad spelling?)
rakata shot silk
Grandiflora - bought in dunblane at a SRGC event a few years ago.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on March 15, 2022, 02:03:00 PM
Hi Paul,
    Thanks for kicking the show off. ... My season is quite a bit behind yours, but things are starting to look promising!

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Dave Cowley on March 21, 2022, 03:58:02 PM
This week P. Lhasa "blushes" is out.  One from Ian Butterfield a couple of years ago.

I was lucky enough to get 30 odd BEF pots & pans from the Manchester Cactus Society.  These can literally last decades, almost family heirlooms!
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on March 22, 2022, 06:36:33 PM
Wow!
30 BEF pots!!
They really are wonderful things. I don't know how old mine are, but at least 20 years for sure.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 23, 2022, 05:44:44 AM
Im not sure what a BEF pot is…..

Anyway here’s some Pleione Snow Monkey 'Fumarole'
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 23, 2022, 05:45:58 AM
Askia bee eater
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 23, 2022, 05:47:30 AM
Sabatini
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: PaulFlowers on March 23, 2022, 05:50:26 AM
Pleione Sharon Anne Winter 'Marsh Owl'
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on March 26, 2022, 10:48:00 AM
The season has finally got going here, with a pan of Ducat in a BEF pot

Should anyone want to know more about BEFs the British Cactus and Succulent Society maintain a web page about them

https://manchester.bcss.org.uk/home/bef-pots/

It includes a video of them being produced and an archive of all the shapes ever made!!

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Dave Cowley on March 26, 2022, 03:42:14 PM
Flowering in sync to Paul's Snow Monkey 'Fumarole', Pleione Snow Monkey "Julie Lynn"
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Dave Cowley on March 27, 2022, 01:10:57 PM
Marian Johnson "Selection".
limprichtii,
Hekla.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on March 31, 2022, 02:28:33 PM
P. Shepherd's Warning ‘Mary B’, just starting today. Four flowers out so far, seven more to come.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Paul Cumbleton on March 31, 2022, 05:44:20 PM
Dave, I just sent you a private message via the messaging facility on this forum.

Paul
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Anders on April 03, 2022, 08:46:34 AM
Pleione Brittania gx 'Doreen' flowering today. It seems to be virused, actually, all the pictures I could find of this clone on the net have 'watermarks' so probably infected right from the first seedling. Still a lovely plant, but one to keep at the far end of the garden together with the other virused pleiones well away from other orchids.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Dave Cowley on April 04, 2022, 07:28:18 PM
Rakata "Shot Silk".

First flowering, year 3 from a bulbil.

1" of perlite with fine bark, perlite and sphagnum on top.  Pots on damp sand to keep the top inch dryish and get the roots exploring down without rotting off.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 07, 2022, 02:31:19 PM
Great Pleione people !!

I've also got some in flower now :

Pleione Red colobus 'Forrest weaver'
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 07, 2022, 02:33:40 PM
Pl. Dr Mo Weatherhead - many with two flowers on one stem.

Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 07, 2022, 02:36:49 PM
Pleione Piton 'Sering' - the recross from Jan Moors of Albiflora (Crustacare)
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 07, 2022, 02:47:45 PM
Pleione 'Snow Monkey' - this is the recross from Anthura. Lots of dubble flowers on one stem.

Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on April 11, 2022, 07:46:21 PM
Hi Anders,
         If a cultivar shows a consistent colouration, I'd not be certain it was virus. I have one,  P. Harlequin 'Clown', which always colours up the same, with washed out petal tips.
         I would expect virus to variably affect the flower colouration.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on April 11, 2022, 08:08:54 PM
I've commented before on the apparently cyclical nature of the vigour of pleione cultivars. Here is an example. I used to think 5 was a good number of flowers per pan for P. Marco Polo '168.2'. However, in the last few years its been far more prolific. There are 14 flowers in this pan.

The second cultivar shown here, P. Shepherd's Warning 'Gillian Clare', is at the other end of the cycle. A decade ago this used to do 11 flowers per pan. Since then it has dwindled, but at last its starting to look much happier.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on April 16, 2022, 01:45:43 PM
The flowering bench is starting to get a bit crowded!

Pulled out one standard 14cm pan of 'Swan Song' and a little 10cm pot of 'Mary B'.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Dave Cowley on April 18, 2022, 08:36:32 AM
Shantung Ducat
Vesuvius "Phoenix"
Ueli Wackernagel "pearl"
Whackeri "dusky sunbird"
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Dave Cowley on April 18, 2022, 08:55:38 AM
Shantung
Jorullo, first time flowering from bulbil.
Grandiflora "yellow lip"
Quizapu "Perigrine"
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on April 20, 2022, 10:59:54 AM
It’s Harrogate Spring Flower ‘’’Show’’’ this week. … Shame its no longer a proper show, I used to enjoy going along with a few exhibits.

These might have been contenders:

P. Shantung ‘Natasha’
P. formosana ‘Clare’ (I doubt this is actually pure formosana)
P. Hybrid ‘Swan Song’ (a different pan to the one shown earlier.)
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on April 25, 2022, 02:05:09 PM
Two Ueli Wackernagels today.

Both good do-ers, here with 17 & 18 flowers in a pan. I marginally prefer 'Regal', partly because it holds its flowers slightly better. However I can't bring myself to chuck out it's sister, '169.1'.

Tim DH

Curious! I can't get the name of the Regal photo to show!! I've tried deleting the un-named one and replacing it with a differently spelt name but it still comes up blank.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on May 04, 2022, 11:25:21 AM
Three species from me today:
P. bulbocodiodes ‘Kunming King’, presumed hexaploid.
P. pleionoides 'Alice Mary', a cross between 'Blakeway-Phillips' and ‘Omei3’
P. aurita Flowers from two pots here, so that the extraordinary way the middle petals are swept back is obvious.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on May 11, 2022, 09:54:08 AM
The season is drawing towards a close here. …

Today we have:


P. Captain Hook ‘Wendy’, with, in my opinion, too many flowers! Twenty six, and many doubles, which rarely makes for a tidy display.

P. Stromboli 'Senorita' which should keep going for a few weeks yet. Last year I posted a final pic of it on June 17th!

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: ruweiss on May 15, 2022, 09:15:25 PM
Got this Pleione about 5 years ago from a friend in form of 2 small pseudobulbs, he told
me, that they were wild collected. My friend passed away, so I have no furtherformation
about these beautiful plants. Can one of the expert help me with the correct name?
Many thanks in advannce.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Jeffnz on May 16, 2022, 10:54:41 PM
I am no Pleione expert but the flowers on your plant look very similar to the P. formosana post made by Tim.
I stand to be corrected.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: ruweiss on May 17, 2022, 09:34:00 PM
Jeff, many thanks for your reply. You are right, they look quite similar like the white
P. formosana. It is a pity, that I cannot ask my friend anymore. My plant is totally
hardy with me until now.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Tim Harberd on May 18, 2022, 09:23:08 PM
Hi Rudi,
     I'd agree it looks like a P. formosana.  It would be nice to know where it was collected. You have it in a mixed pot with some P. limprichitii? (Or hybrid of?)
     I suspect my white P. formosana shown earlier is actually a hybrid, because of its vigour. Tip to tip it gets to 95mm across where as other formosanas I have grown rarely exceed 70mm.

Tim DH
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Jeffnz on May 20, 2022, 04:11:43 AM
I was searching for information on growing Pleione from seed, found the following link to a Plant Worlds offer of seed and their germination instructions.
https://www.plant-world-seeds.com/store/view_seed_item/2129
Is this actually correct as I had always assumed that orchid seed needed to be sown onto a sterile nutrient agar medium to achieve germination.
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Paul Cumbleton on May 20, 2022, 06:21:53 PM
Jeff,
My website on Pleione shows how I used to do it - see http://www.pleione.info/grow-from-seed---1.html (http://www.pleione.info/grow-from-seed---1.html). While germination on sphagnum might just about be possible if you were really lucky, success is most unlikely.

Paul
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: Jeffnz on May 20, 2022, 08:16:19 PM
Paul I had find your site and that was what prompted the question.
Thanks
Jeff
Title: Re: Pleione 2022
Post by: ruweiss on May 21, 2022, 08:09:54 PM
Hi Tim,
thak you for your reply. It is a pity, that I cannot ask anybody about the
origin of my Pleiones. They measure 8 cm from tip to tip. I cultivate them
together with P.limprichtii and other acid loving plants like Shortia, Cassiope,
Soldanella, Gentianas and more in a bowl on peat blocks and give them only
a light cover of conifer branches in winter.

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