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Title: Narcissus 2006
Post by: mark smyth on December 02, 2006, 02:19:23 PM
I'm not sure if we should keep bulbs flowering now in here or place them in the more general 'Flowering Now' forum. We'll see what Maggi says

Two Narcissus flowering now for me are 'Cedric Morris' and an unknown bulbocodium type sold to me as N. minicycla. ID would be great. It's distinctive by having green tipped petals


Mark, I like it here! M
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: tonyg on December 02, 2006, 11:06:33 PM
Mark, I have something very similar in flower in the garden now.  It is pictured below as narcissus sp.  I think it is derived from a plant I received as N sp ABS 4450 which is probably N. albidus.  The original looked very like your white 'sp' and I also have an old pic (slide) of it in flower at the same time as N. Cedric Morris.  The poor light in my pic below makes the plant look a lot less 'white' than it really is!

Also pictured is an early form of Narcissus cantabricus - probably N c foliosus, this one is under glass.
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: mark smyth on December 02, 2006, 11:29:40 PM
yes that looks like mine. Brian Duncan should have the answer
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: David Shaw on December 03, 2006, 08:52:07 AM
We obtained a pan of N albidus from Helen Greenwood at Discussion W/E and it looks exactly the same as your N sp., Mark. Our's must have been in flower for a month now, first blooms one over but another still good.
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: mark smyth on December 03, 2006, 10:00:27 AM
thanks for the replies
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: Gerben on December 09, 2006, 03:46:51 PM
I did succeed in sending my first post. :D  So I can continue with two Narcissus pictures. Even this genera starts early this year. We do grow all of them in a frost free greenhouse with extra light.
The first is Narcissus romieuxii ssp rifanus followed be Narcissus romieuxii 'Treble Chance'
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: Diane Whitehead on December 09, 2006, 05:58:35 PM
I'm hopeful of flowers every year at this time, but must be content
to enjoy them in forum photos.  I have just checked my pots of seedlings,
from seed sown every year since 1997.  Still no buds.

Some plants indicate when they are soon to flower:  Erythronium leaves
gradually widen and eventually, when the plant has two broad leaves, it
will flower.  What about the winter dwarf narcissus?  Their leaves are
long and narrow and remain so - at least mine do.  I can't see much
difference in my seedlings from each year, though some are six years
older than others.
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: annew on December 17, 2006, 03:14:07 PM
These are the first 2 flowers on Narcissus 'Moulay Brahim', and they're rather splendid - big and a lovely bold yellow. (Hope this works as I haven't got the hang of posting photos yet).
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: annew on December 17, 2006, 03:15:14 PM
Darn it! It's too small now! I'll have to get Leslie to give me IT lessons....
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: Maggi Young on December 17, 2006, 03:23:40 PM
Anne, try for about 500 x 500 pixels.. that is about average for the sizes we're seeing nice shots of  stuff on the forum. You can go to about 600 x800 and still not be activating a scroll bar, I reckon.
Very much like this N. Moulay Brahim...  a new one to me .
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: annew on December 18, 2006, 10:49:53 AM
Take 2 :P
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: Ian Y on December 18, 2006, 11:06:23 AM
Hurrah! That's it! Good big flowers, aren't they? What is the history of this one, Anne?
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: annew on December 18, 2006, 08:59:16 PM
I had it as Narcissus bulbocodium praecox 'Moulay Brahim' from Rannveig Wallis. I can't find it on the web, but there is this on Jim Archibald's site:

NARCISSUS BULBOCODIUM subsp. PRAECOX
Big, soft-yellow flowers in late winter or earliest spring. Narrower, more funnel-shaped trumpets than similarly coloured Narcissus romieuxii forms.
Original collection : Morocco, High Atlas Mts., Moulay Brahim gorge below Asni. 1000m. Humus-filled pockets on limestone boulders.
A robust, distinct race. For the alpine-house in the UK.

The description of the flower doesn't sound right though.
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: Maggi Young on December 18, 2006, 09:16:05 PM
Hi, Anne. What we would know as Bulbocodium praecox would have a narrower funnel shaped flower, whereas your Moulay Brahim has a very broad cone flower... Hmm! Who knows, perhaps this was just one collection that proved full and fat of flower... shows how tricky it is to pin down regional variations though, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 19, 2006, 05:48:28 PM
 ???

My first time trying to post a pic on the new forum - I hope it works.

This is Narcissus bulbocodium x mesatlanticus - flowering in the garden now.

Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 19, 2006, 05:49:30 PM
 :D

It seems to have worked !
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: annew on December 21, 2006, 05:40:48 PM
I've chopped up some of my dodgy bulbs to investigate. These are the worst.
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: mark smyth on December 21, 2006, 05:50:50 PM
looks like Stag. Look at the out of focus leaf. I'll take more photos tomorrow
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: annew on December 21, 2006, 06:37:21 PM
The offenders are already dealt with!
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: John Forrest on December 22, 2006, 11:29:48 AM
Here are a few Narcissus which have awoken in the alpine house. (a couple did in the garden but didn't last long in the gale)

1 Narcissus Nylon Group

2 Narcissus seedling came up in the plunge

3 Narcissus Camoro

4 Narcissus zianicus
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 22, 2006, 01:43:08 PM
Some great shots there John !
I'm particularly fond of that chance seedling - very good shape.

Thanks
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: chris on December 26, 2006, 08:26:11 PM
here is one flowering in my greenhouse, I recived it with the name: Narcissus papyraceus ssp. panizzianus,
Chris

Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: mark smyth on December 27, 2006, 08:27:06 PM
mucho excitement in the greenhouse today. The difficult to get to flower 'Bowles Early Sulphur' that flowered with only one flower last year has done it again but with 3 flowering bulbs. Noses have just poked through soil level.
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: vanhouttewim on December 28, 2006, 09:13:39 PM
Do you Narcissus-collectors have Narcissus 'Stainless'? i have a few bulbs. Wim
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: Anthony Darby on December 28, 2006, 09:33:29 PM
Anyone put a name to this narcissus flowering now in my greenhouse?
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: mark smyth on December 28, 2006, 10:31:05 PM
Wim I dont know the name. Is it a trumpet or a Hoop?

Anthony I dont know my Hoops
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: vanhouttewim on December 28, 2006, 10:46:35 PM
as far as i know a full white trumpet from USA , you can find it on google. Wim
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: Maggi Young on December 28, 2006, 10:58:43 PM
This is from the RHS Narcissus register: N. 'Stainless 2 W-W
The International Daffodil Register and Classified List (1998)
Daffodil name
 Stainless   
 
Registered? Yes
Division
 2   
Perianth colour(s)
 W   
Corona colour(s)
 W   
 
Originator/ Registrant name
 G.L. Wilson
 Year of registration
 1960   
Seed parent x Pollen parent : see below
 ('Nelly' x 'Chinese White') x ('Evening' x 'Foyle') 
 Description
 Fl. 95 mm wide; perianth segments very broadly ovate in outline, blunt or truncate at apex, slightly mucronate, spreading, with midrib showing, overlapping half; the inner segments narrower, a little inflexed, with margins wavy; corona shallow bowl-shaped, broad, ribbed, bluish white, with mouth even, rim crenate. 2n=28   
 Award(s)
 *AM (g)  1978

You can see a photo on this catalogue page: http://www.brentandbeckysbulbs.com/spring/productview/index.php?sku=01-0238



Hope this helps. I don't know it but it looks pretty if a little tall for us at 16-18 inches (circa 40-45cms).

 
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: mark smyth on December 29, 2006, 06:10:57 AM
or http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Stainless&lastpage=1 (http://daffseek.org/query-detail.php?value1=Stainless&lastpage=1)
Title: Re: Narcissus 2006
Post by: vanhouttewim on December 29, 2006, 04:27:50 PM
it's my father's plant , if someone want to have a bulb , exchange it for a snowdrop or another plant :) Wim
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