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Specific Families and Genera => Primula => Topic started by: David Nicholson on January 05, 2015, 02:40:39 PM
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My own fault I suppose, caused by neglect over the past few weeks due to a combination of a poor run of weather, visitors taking a lot of time, and the usual pre and post hassle of Christmas and New Year and a couple of weeks when I didn't feel up to it, but had to chuck out around a dozen Primula hybrids and marginata forms today suffering from advanced botrytus. Must get a fan in operation fairly quickly.
First ones to flower seemed to have avoided it. Primula allionii 'Edmund Evans' one of David Philbey's raisings and Primula 'Lindum Moonlight'
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Edmund Evans is a good looking plant - mine are no where near flowering - I need to rescue them from under the benches
Praecox is normally the first one in flower for me
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'Lindum Moonlight' is usually my first one. Last year I posted it on 2 January 2014 but have shown it before Christmas previously.
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'Lindum Moonlight' is usually my first one. Last year I posted it on 2 January 2014 but have shown it before Christmas previously.
I have 3 plants of Lindum Moon from different sources and none of them are showing anything yet
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loverly primula's David
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Hey guys. I collected some P. vulgaris seeds in 2014 and this is what has appeared. Are these Primula Vulgaris Seedlings?
http://i58.tinypic.com/2rn8myd.png (http://i58.tinypic.com/2rn8myd.png)
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Lucky man you're David, mine collection has been destroyed by slugs.
I am sickened :'(
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Hey guys. I collected some P. vulgaris seeds in 2014 and this is what has appeared. Are these Primula Vulgaris Seedlings?
http://i58.tinypic.com/2rn8myd.png (http://i58.tinypic.com/2rn8myd.png)
They could be, but on the other hand............................................................ :P
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very nice David as always. The first of my allioniis Elizabeth Burrow has been out for a few weeks. I usually get a bad flare from it in pictures, this one of one of the cuttings looks a bit better.
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very nice David as always. The first of my allioniis Elizabeth Burrow has been out for a few weeks. I usually get a bad flare from it in pictures, this one of one of the cuttings looks a bit better.
what are the seedlings round it?
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hi, it's one of the Sarcocapnos - I've had it seeding around for decades - originally it was from an Archibald collection.
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Some Primulas from the greenhouse today.
A seedling from Gerd Stopp, his label says Wharfedale Super seedling
again from Gerd Stopp another seedling under his label 52
Primula 'Lindum Prima' and I've pictured the worst side of the plant
P. 'Lindum Heavenly'
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very pretty David. Apart from an escaped P. marginate flower and allionii Elizabeth Burrow nothing out here yet - but soon there will be some.
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The allioniis are getting going here now, this one is P. allionii Rosemary
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Lovely lot of flowers Mark, have you had this one for a long time?
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David, thanks. Yes, I've had it for a while - this one is a cutting, I need to look for the parent :o At my old house I had a collection where I think I didn't water them in the pots for years. They grew very slowly, flowered well and the losses were absolutely minimal. For some reason here I need to water them directly, they grow faster but I get more losses - usually I'm able to salvage a cutting though. But I lost Pinkie and Viscountess Byng last year and that's the first time for along time I've lost all of a clone.
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The allioniis are getting going here now, this one is P. allionii Rosemary
now that is a good looking flower
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Mark, my set up isn't really conducive to growing Primulas and I really have to struggle to keep plants in decent nick for more than a couple of years.
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funny thing is when I first got it I didn't rate it. I think I had it too dry or it was too young, I'd get really small flowers - now it's alot better.
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David, they used to thrive on neglect, I have plants over 20 years old but they are still quite small. I'll be posting more as they come out.
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Do all these Primula named with a single female forename, like 'Rosemary', come from anyone/where in particular? I have x pubescens 'Christine' and also a 'Jenny'. Strikes me that it could be a breeder's naming system?
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Do all these Primula named with a single female forename, like 'Rosemary', come from anyone/where in particular? I have x pubescens 'Christine' and also a 'Jenny'. Strikes me that it could be a breeder's naming system?
depends who has named them
you will see stable names like 'Lindum x' at that stage you know who has bred it
My personal favourite is P.Allionii 'Anna Griffiths' which is an old but good one
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I think "Jenny" was named after Jenny Archibald so I'd agree it is various breeders that these are coming from.
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I think "Jenny" was named after Jenny Archibald so I'd agree it is various breeders that these are coming from.
I know Brian Burrow named a lot after his children/relatives - Martin and Dreena Thompson always name theirs Lindum - AIRE series was Peter Lister - not sure about Wharfedale series and Broadwell series
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Thanks guys, that's interesting. It's nice to hear stories behind the plants we're growing.
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Mark's Primula allionii 'Rosemary': F2 from P. 'Mary Berry' raised originally by Margaret Earle under HME 238/85
Matt's Primula allionii 'Jenny': The good news that it was indeed originally named by Jim Archibald from his collection JCA 4161/23. The bad news that there is another 'Jenny' in circulation also.
Sources for both above National Auricula and Primula Society, Northern Section (I was going to copy and paste a Link here but, annoyingly, every so often my ability to copy and paste things disappears). The data can be found by accessing 'Allionii Data' from the top of the Northern Section pages, the Northern Section pages are best found from the NAPS main page. Sorry to make it complicated.
Matt's P. x pubescens 'Christine' ""A very fine and distinctive variety. it is unfortunate that many of the plants masquerading under this name are in fact either 'Boothman's Var.' or something similar. The true plant has very rich pink thrum-eyed flowers, that fade slightly to a dark old rose. The veins on the petals tend to be slightly raised giving a textured appearance. The leaves are pale green, evenly and lightly serrated.......""
Source: "Primulas the complete guide" by the late Mary A Robinson published Crowood 1994
One of the problems in the Primula growing world is that so many of them are very, very similar in appearance, growth habit etc (Where have I heard that before!!). NAPS has a regulatory function as far as it's members are concerned in that members entering plants in seedling classes and winning prizes are then, and only then invited to name their plant(s).
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I know Brian Burrow named a lot after his children/relatives - Martin and Dreena Thompson always name theirs Lindum - AIRE series was Peter Lister - not sure about Wharfedale series and Broadwell series
'Wharfedale' raised by Alec Stubbs of Grassington (in Wharfedale)
'Broadwell' Joe Elliott from his nursery of that name, long closed.
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Mark's Primula allionii 'Rosemary': F2 from P. 'Mary Berry' raised originally by Margaret Earle under HME 238/85
Matt's Primula allionii 'Jenny': The good news that it was indeed originally named by Jim Archibald from his collection JCA 4161/23. The bad news that there is another 'Jenny' in circulation also.
Sources for both above National Auricula and Primula Society, Northern Section (I was going to copy and paste a Link here but, annoyingly, every so often my ability to copy and paste things disappears). The data can be found by accessing 'Allionii Data' from the top of the Northern Section pages, the Northern Section pages are best found from the NAPS main page. Sorry to make it complicated.
Matt's P. x pubescens 'Christine' ""A very fine and distinctive variety. it is unfortunate that many of the plants masquerading under this name are in fact either 'Boothman's Var.' or something similar. The true plant has very rich pink thrum-eyed flowers, that fade slightly to a dark old rose. The veins on the petals tend to be slightly raised giving a textured appearance. The leaves are pale green, evenly and lightly serrated.......""
Source: "Primulas the complete guide" by the late Mary A Robinson published Crowood 1994
One of the problems in the Primula growing world is that so many of them are very, very similar in appearance, growth habit etc (Where have I heard that before!!). NAPS has a regulatory function as far as it's members are concerned in that members entering plants in seedling classes and winning prizes are then, and only then invited to name their plant(s).
Thanks, David!
Looking back over my photos from last spring, my 'Christine' seems to be the true plant ;D
Sounds as though I will have to do some homework to find out which 'Jenny' I have.
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thanks david, I'll see if I can look up some of the other ones I have.
what I want to know is whatever happned to "Crowsley's variety" - used to be one of the few clones you could get - not seen it for decades.
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let's see if I can get the link to post
http://www.auriculas.org.uk/Allionii_Data.htm (http://www.auriculas.org.uk/Allionii_Data.htm)
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Super close-up, Mark and the colour is gorgeous.
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thanks david, I'll see if I can look up some of the other ones I have.
what I want to know is whatever happned to "Crowsley's variety" - used to be one of the few clones you could get - not seen it for decades.
Picture of it here from John Richard's Diary.
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Northumberland/+March+/544/ (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Northumberland/+March+/544/)
My copy and paste function seems to be working again
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hmmm, that's not how I remember it - I thought it had small flowers that were more bell shaped and didn't open particularly flat. It also had a distinctive tight cushion. Hard to tell from the photo though.
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Picture of it here from John Richard's Diary.
http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Northumberland/+March+/544/ (http://www.alpinegardensociety.net/diaries/Northumberland/+March+/544/)
My copy and paste function seems to be working again
Interesting to be reminded of that post of JR, where he speaks much sense about Farrer award rules.
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A small plant of P. Wharfedale Ling'
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One I used to have a few years ago and lost it. It was always available at the NAPS Shows but I've never found it at a nursery.
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One of our group members was selling small plants
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For anyone interested Thompson and Morgan are marketing jumbo plugs of (Kennedy) Irish Primroses for delivery in August.
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A few more Primulas from the greenhouse today:-
One of my favourites Primula 'Lindum Sunburst'
An old variety from an Auricula/P. allionii cross P. 'Clarence Elliott.
P. 'Joan Hughes' a P allionii/P 'Linda Pope' cross
P. allionii 'Kate Evans'
A seedling from Gerd Stopp
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A bevy of beauties, David!
A couple of plants with buds showing colour here and not far off opening IF they are not battered to bits by the next gale coming our way ::)
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very nice again David.
It's all kicking off here!
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Some Primula allioniis
Lacewing, Malcolm and Marion Rosemary.
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In full flow now Mark, you do grow them well.
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P.'Stradbrook Satin Rose'
P.Stradbrook Flounce'
P.'Elliots Form'-name?
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Mark - does lacewing have a pink/purple edge to the white flower?
Are the flowers on Rosemary that big?
Nice pictures
David - great pictures as normal
Mine still have not flowered yet - they need to get a move on
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Graeme, yes lacewing has a slight but definate pink edge to the flower.
I'd say Rosemary is a fairly large flower but not like one of the really big ones - but the plant itself is small - I think this cutting is only a few rosettes.
There is a danger when they flower like that - a few years back the Malcolm was bigger and a perfect dome of flowers and as a result it acted like a plastic bag over the leaves and it rotted.
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Some Primulas from the greenhouse today:-
Primula 'Oberau'
P. 'Lindum Wedgewood'
P. 'Alice Collins'
P. 'Jo Jo'
P. allionii 'Lee Myers'
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.... and some more:-
Primula allionii 'Jackie Richards'
P. 'Blindsee'
P. 'Wharfedale Sunshine'
One of David Philbey's un-named seedlings DPP 454-01
P. x Miniera (I think?)
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They are all coming with a rush now:-
Some Primula allionii cultivars:-
P. a. 'V W Rollinson'
P. a. 'Hartside No. 12'
P. a. 'Hartside No. 6'
P. a. 'Austen'
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Some more allionii:-
Primula allionii 'Sapphire'
P. a. 'Impy'
a Gerd Stopp seedling under his number 10/8
another Gerd Stopp seedling 7/01
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Some Primula hybrids:-
P.'Lindum Destiny'
P. 'Lindum Malcolm's Mate'
P. 'Janet Aldritch'
P. 'Stradbrook Variegated', the thinnest variegation on the leaf margins
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Cracking pics, David. You're plants look great.
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Thanks Matt.
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David - you have some wonderful plants
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very nice David!
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Thanks Mark and Graeme.
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It has been noted previously in the forum that Chevithorne Pink and Tyrian Purple Double Primroses are being grown.
A message has been received asking if anyone knows of a source to buy these plants.
Can anyone help?
Contact : Nina Paternoster cornishprimroses@gmail.com
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It has been noted previously in the forum that Chevithorne Pink and Tyrian Purple Double Primroses are being grown.
A message has been received asking if anyone knows of a source to buy these plants.
Can anyone help?
try Val Woolley - Fieldhouse nursery - Gotham (City) - she has grown a lot of stuff this year from seed
auricula@btconnect.com - e-mail
www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/adv_fh_PDF_15MAR2015.pdf (http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/adv_fh_PDF_15MAR2015.pdf)
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It has been noted previously in the forum that Chevithorne Pink and Tyrian Purple Double Primroses are being grown.
A message has been received asking if anyone knows of a source to buy these plants.
Can anyone help?
Contact : Nina Paternoster cornishprimroses@gmail.com
I seem to remember that Roma has shown pictures of Chevithorne Pink before, maybe she knows of a supplier? I've never seen either of them on sale.
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Yes, I know Roma has grown that at least - have messaged her.
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Primula 'Stradbrook Charm'.
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Primula 'Stradbrook Charm'.
......... which looks markedly like the Stradbrook Variegated I posted the other day. I was never sure about the provenance of my plant that I bought a couple of years ago, indeed I've never seen it offered.
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David.I will ask someone who will definitely know to have a look at your plant.
Primula 'Stradbrook Dainty'
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A few from me
P.allionii Marjorie Wooster. I always thought this one was a bit oversized and didn't like the reflexed petals but actually it's still a pretty plant.
P. allionii Anna Griffith. One of my favourites.
P. allionii 81-1-93 - presumably one of Brian Burrow's seedlings - it may even have a proper name now.
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David I have never bred a Primula Stradbrook Varigated
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Hello Brian - that's a good definitive answer. You've bred some crackers!
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David.I will ask someone who will definitely know to have a look at your plant.
Thanks for doing that Philip.
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David I have never bred a Primula Stradbrook Varigated
Hello Brian, you're very well known to me by name. Many thanks, I bought the plant from the Members Plant Stall at the South West AGS Show a couple of years ago. I don't have the label now but I can remember the "Stradbrook" bit was very clear but the "variegated" bit looked as though it had been scribbled on at a different time. I wonder if my picture is clear enough for you to give me a view as to what my plant might be please?
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David the picture is fine there has been seven grown and named from the original cross made around 1980 I can rule out five of them from your picture leaving two I need to check on in the morning they are stradbrook Jeanne. and Stradbrook Charm. the latter being the most likely.
I am still trying to find my way around this site ,no idea how to post pictures as yet
regards Brian
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Brian - I've sent you an email with some notes about posting photos - hope that helps!
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Looks like I don't need to David!
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Maggi
Thank you will sort it, problem is so much to do outside I need to concentrate on ,(and the house needs the vacuum )lol
Brian
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Maggi
Thank you will sort it, problem is so much to do outside I need to concentrate on ,(and the house needs the vacuum )lol
Brian
Not to mention that fine spaniel to walk! In your own time, Brian - we understand that this is a particularly busy time of year - nice to have you join us!
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David 99% it is Charm forgot when looking at your Picture last night Jeanne is pin
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Very many thanks for your time Brian, I'll change my label and go for Charm.
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A few from me
P.allionii Marjorie Wooster. I always thought this one was a bit oversized and didn't like the reflexed petals but actually it's still a pretty plant.
P. allionii Anna Griffith. One of my favourites.
P. allionii 81-1-93 - presumably one of Brian Burrow's seedlings - it may even have a proper name now.
All very good cultivars Mark.
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Today's batch:-
Primula 'Maria Talbot'
Another of Brian Salter's babies P. 'Stradbrook Lucy'
P. 'Broadwell Milkmaid'. One I've previously found 'miffy'. This is a cutting I scrounged around three years a go and it's done very well...so far!
P. 'Lavender Mist'
A P. 'Aire Mist' seedling from Gerd Stopp.
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I'm very pleased with this one from my own open-pollinated seed, there seems to be a lot of marginata in it. It's going to be called 'Kathryn Alice' for Maureen's sister-in-law who did last year at a very early age.
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I'm very pleased with this one from my own open-pollinated seed, there seems to be a lot of marginata in it. It's going to be called 'Kathryn Alice' for Maureen's sister-in-law who did last year at a very early age.
very nice David
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P. 'Broadwell Milkmaid'. One I've previously found 'miffy'. This is a cutting I scrounged around three years a go and it's done very well...so far!
Its a fantastic plant - but as you say it can be a bit difficult - I did propagate a few a while ago but I am now back to one bit again
For a while they did really well in granular sharp sand, issues started when they were in compost - hardly ever watered the sand
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David you have some cracking primulas.
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Hi ,
here are two pics from my small Primula collection ....my main interest are P.Xpruhoniciana hybrids
Thats my primula in pots ( 9 x 9 ) ...I have in last years some bought or swapping with other friends
If possibly so I try to multyply those plant ...for future swaps
I could offer in this time for swap ( sorry only Europe ) :
Groenekans Glorie
Wanda
Hall Barn Blue
Schneewittchen
Schneekissen
John Mo
Ostergruß
Garryarde Guineviere
I anybody is interested to swap with me for other Primula (which I not grow ) so please send me a PM
Hans
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David you have some cracking primulas.
Thanks Mike. Over the past few years I've amassed a sizeable collection and no doubt will arrive back from the South West AGS Show tomorrow with yet more. The problem then will be, of course, where on earth am I going to put them in a greenhouse bursting at the seams ??? Although I'm not the slightest bit interested in showing I would eventually like to emulate the quality and size of some of the pots that are seen in some of the Primula six pans at the Shows. If I can get one of mine from 3" to 3.5" to 4", in three years, with the aim of the odd 5" I'm happy (apart from the lack of space of course).
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a few from me as the allionii's are starting to go over.
Fist is one of my own seedlings which I don't think is pure allionii, then Flute, a lovely plant but one I've yet to strike cuttings of so I'm nervous about that.
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Wonderful Primula allionii here.
From me two fine older british sorts
(http://up.picr.de/21417446fz.jpg)
'William Earle'
(http://up.picr.de/21417451vc.jpg)
'Lismore Treasure'
and two plants I think by Gerd Stopp
(http://up.picr.de/21417448zv.jpg)
'Elke Weiß Seedling 01-1'
(http://up.picr.de/21417447cw.jpg)
'Jahn XV'
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Primula 'Gold Plate', toughing it out in an outside trough.
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Matt, that is a marginata cultivar. Should be fine outside but any 'meal' on the leaves will wash off of course. It's one I haven't seen before do you have any history on it?
Ebbie, nice to see the old ones as well as the new ones. Gerd's seedlings are first class aren't they?
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We had a week or so without rain, David, and there was a dusting of farina on the leaves and flower buds... until a couple of days ago. I picked it up at one of the SRGC shows last year, Edinburgh maybe, no flowers, just the stunning leaves. The flowers are blousier than I was expecting, but I like them and a nice shade. It's growing well, but as you can see just one rosette. The stem is showing dormant buds, so I will be brave this year and decapitate it for a cutting leaving the stem to bush out. If it roots, I'd be happy to send it to you. It's listed in Mary Robinson's book, but no detail about it's origin etc.
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Matt
that is deep serrations in the leaves. not seen that one before
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The leaves are its best feature. I dare say it could hold its own on the show bench in a class for foliage effect. Here's a better pic showing the leaves.
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Matt, my copy and paste is playing up again but if you search for Primula marginata 'Gold Plate' History it should bring up a pdf report of Wisley trials on Primula marginata 1996-98. For Gold Plate it says "foliage good, flower poor".
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Thanks, David. I have found a reference to it in the report of the 2008 Stirling show (Journal #121): http://files.srgc.net/journals/114to125/SRGC121.pdf (http://files.srgc.net/journals/114to125/SRGC121.pdf)
Variation within a species is fascinating. Two forms of Primula marginata sit at extremes of the height range of this species. A tiny form was raised by Margaret and & Henry Taylor whereas David Millward’s Primula marginata ‘Gold Plate’ was larger.
I wonder if Dave might be able to tell us anything about it?
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You can find a photograph of Dave's excellent plant from this show here (top of page 22): http://files.srgc.net/oldshowreports/Stirling08.pdf (http://files.srgc.net/oldshowreports/Stirling08.pdf)
I think the flowers on this well-grown plant are rather fine?
'Gold Plate' was show in a foliage class at Perth in 2006 (page 5): http://files.srgc.net/oldshowreports/Perth06.pdf (http://files.srgc.net/oldshowreports/Perth06.pdf)
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David M. will likely know more about the that plant- but he's just off on his travels, to return just before the Edinburgh show - so a reply may take a while! :)
I think the closer a plant is to "wild " marginata, the deeper the serrations are likely to be. It's always been one of my favourite primulas.
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Thanks, Maggi. Will patiently await Dave's return. The marginatas are my favourites too. The varied leaves, gorgeous hue to the flowers and generally tough constitution make for great plants.
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Just before the rains came just time to get a few pics in the greenhouse:-
Primula 'Peardrop'
P. 'Ellen Page', a lovely colour
P. 'Moonbeam' an old(ish) variety that sometimes goes under HME 469-07 (Margaret Earle)
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..... and three allionii cultivars:-
Primula allionii 'Crusader', I read "that this is one of the Wharfedale series" originally bred by Alec Stubbs
P. a. 'Chivalry' again from the Alec Stubbs stable
P. a. 'Marjorie Wooster' looking a bit dusty and water spotted (too near a vent). Originally raised by K R Wooster in 1975.
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P.'Allen Queen'
P.allionii 'Mrs Dyas'
P.allionii 'Pinkie'
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Nice ones Philip.
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Primula allionii Agnes
Primula x Bilekii no flowers as yet but the foliage is wonderful.
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This very small Primula marginata 'Napoleon' started to bloom in its outside tufa trough.
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Nice allionii Mike, nice healthy x bilekii too, I lost mine to botrytus last year.
Nice Napolean Luc, mine in the greenhouse are just starting.
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P. 'Broadwell Milkmaid'
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Primula allionii 'Jenny'. A lovely wee thing.
My internet researches suggest this is not the clone named after Jenny Archibold, which is pin flowered. But is the other one thrum? http://www.auriculas.org.uk/Allionii_Data.htm (http://www.auriculas.org.uk/Allionii_Data.htm)
Any views, based on this photo?
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Any views, based on this photo?
looks like a maginata to me
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Primula vulgaris 'Irish Cream'. Sadly one of the original divisions died but I think I can get four out of the remaining two
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Primula allionii 'Jenny'. A lovely wee thing.
My internet researches suggest this is not the clone named after Jenny Archibold, which is pin flowered. But is the other one thrum? http://www.auriculas.org.uk/Allionii_Data.htm (http://www.auriculas.org.uk/Allionii_Data.htm)
Any views, based on this photo?
It's a thrum Matt but, given "that the clone named after Jenny Archibald, which is pin flowered" the question is, is your clone the other 'Jenny'. here's a 'Jenny' from one of Paul Cumbleton's Logs?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2010Apr011270112980Log_7_of_2010.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2010Apr011270112980Log_7_of_2010.pdf)
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Sorry, on rereading my question is unclear. Yes, is it possible to confirm that my thrum-flowered Primula is the other P. 'Jenny' by characteristics beyond it being thrum. Looking at that Log, possibly not as my plant is clearly quite different. I'll try to get clarification from the nursery I got it from, but suspect it might become a Primula 'un-named'. Thanks, David.
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Matt, don't know if these help or hinder, two very different coloured alledged Primula allionii 'Jenny' and both appear to be pin-eyed
http://www.zrehacek-alpines.cz/os/obrP/P_all_Jenny.jpg (http://www.zrehacek-alpines.cz/os/obrP/P_all_Jenny.jpg)
http://www.angusplants.co.uk/images/10%20allionii%20Jenny.jpg (http://www.angusplants.co.uk/images/10%20allionii%20Jenny.jpg)
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My Primula v. 'Irish Cream' is two types - thrum eye and pin eye. I took out my wee brush today to cross pollinate them but I couldn't see pollen on any thrum eyes flowers. The anthers are there but I couldn't see pollen on the brush. Is it likely to be too small to see?
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Matt, don't know if these help or hinder, two very different coloured alledged Primula allionii 'Jenny' and both appear to be pin-eyed
http://www.zrehacek-alpines.cz/os/obrP/P_all_Jenny.jpg (http://www.zrehacek-alpines.cz/os/obrP/P_all_Jenny.jpg)
http://www.angusplants.co.uk/images/10%20allionii%20Jenny.jpg (http://www.angusplants.co.uk/images/10%20allionii%20Jenny.jpg)
Thanks David. I assumed that these were the JCA 'Jenny' being pin-eyed. Not sure if the colour difference is due to differences in lighting/photographic effects? As well as being pin-eyed the flowers have a light-coloured 'eye', whilst mine has just a little farina and the leaves are very different to those on mine, which have a dentate margin. The nursery is not currently listing my plant but I will email them. If I hear anything I'll let you know. Cheers, M
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Some Primula allionii:
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Just before the rains came just time to get a few pics in the greenhouse:-
Primula 'Peardrop'...
David - I bought a 'Lismore Peardrop' from the plant sales table at the Cleveland show. Would this be the same cultivar as your 'Peardrop'?
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It's possible Steve. I can't remember where I got mine from and 'Lismore' wasn't on the label. Do you have a picture?
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The species snob in me tells me I shouldn't like these but the rampant nationalist says its ok.
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Primula 'Bon Accord Gem'
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Primula 'Bon Accord Purple'
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There's nothing wrong with a little rampant nationalism every now and again ;D
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Still Primula time in the greenhouse:-
Primula 'Venus'
P. 'Amethyst'
P. 'Lindum Rapture'
P. 'Mylene'
P. 'Lara'
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....... and some more:-
Primula 'Pink Ice'
P. 'Ethel Barker' (allionnii x hirsuta)
Primula marginata 'Napoleon'
P. x pubescens 'Freedom'
Some readers will have heard how a couple of years ago I was given a range of P' marginata cultivars that had suffered from TLC for some years and were in a pretty sorry state. Last year saw the first chance to root offsets/take cuttings etc. P. m. 'Napoleon' above is one of those
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I think that the first time I was aware of Primula 'Venus' was when you showed it last year , David. What a nice thing it is.
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Yes, it's a lovely little plant Maggi, and if I was into Showing I think it would eventually make an excellent show plant. Good form ,nice clear coloured flowers on straight little stems. I bought it from Philip Bankhead from Peninsula Primulas in Northern Ireland but I have no further information on it and there doesn't seem to be any further information on the Internet.
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They're all lovely to my eyes, David. Your TLC is obviously paying off.
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" Philip Bankhead from Peninsula Primulas in Northern Ireland " - I've been checking out the website - www.penprimulas.com (http://www.penprimulas.com) - some nice things there!
Discovered the link on the SRGC "Links" page was out of date - fixed that now. :)
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I couldn't recommend Philip Bankhead (Peninsula Primulas) more highly. Top quality plants, always very well packed and a thoroughly nice bloke to boot.
Also in Northern Ireland I can also recommend Susan Tindall at Timpany Nurseries and Garden http://www.timpanynurseries.com/ (http://www.timpanynurseries.com/)
Susan has a great range of Primulas and masses of other stuff too.
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Today's small batch:-
Primula 'Delight' one raised by David Philbey
P. x 'Blairside Yellow', though to be a cross between P. allionii and P. auricula (species)
P. 'Lindum First Kiss'
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How many Primula cultivars do you have, David? You keep pulling more and more stunning plants out of the hat.
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David,
You really have some gems!
Your P. marginata plants are in better condition than mine :(
This one has suffered strong wind and some degrees of frost a few nights ago on my shed roof.
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The auricula hybrid has stood the weather better!
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How many Primula cultivars do you have, David? You keep pulling more and more stunning plants out of the hat.
Roughly 185 pots Matt, that includes offsets being grown-on in 2" seed pots. They take up all my benching on the end opposite the greenhouse (8' x 6') door, thats four feet of benching x 2 (top and bottom shelves) with a further shelf of about four feet stood on top of the standard benching. And they're spreading out-decisions will need to be made soon!
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David,
You really have some gems!
Your P. marginata plants are in better condition than mine :(
This one has suffered strong wind and some degrees of frost a few nights ago on my shed roof.
Thanks Trond. All my marginatas are under glass and I think they like that in Winter, but Summer..................
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Roughly 185 pots
you have some great plants - some I have not seen before but will definitely now track down
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finally some flowers this year
Lindum Moonlight
Lindum Crepe Suzette
Snowflake
Anna Griffiths
Jo-Jo
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you have some great plants - some I have not seen before but will definitely now track down
Lindum Crepe Suzette looks nice, it's on my list.
I used to grow Crocuses, lovely colours; many were reasonably available and thanks to Brian Mathew I could understand the genus. Now we appear to have new species just about every other day and the price of bulbs way above what I am prepared to pay. Result: Now I only grow Crocuses grown from Exchange seed. Primulas are colourful; widely obtainable and I've never had to pay more than £4 for a plant.
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Roughly 185 pots Matt, that includes offsets being grown-on in 2" seed pots. They take up all my benching on the end opposite the greenhouse (8' x 6') door, thats four feet of benching x 2 (top and bottom shelves) with a further shelf of about four feet stood on top of the standard benching. And they're spreading out-decisions will need to be made soon!
The correct decision must surely be to build a new, dedicated Primula house?! I'm sure Mrs N. won't notice ;)
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Matt - At 185 pots of Primula I doubt Mrs. N. is even noticeable on the premises.
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Oh she's noticeable all right and yes Matt she most certainly would notice. I think I'd get "You won't let me have a garden swing, you don't get another greenhouse (even if I had room)" . Possibly added would be "Do we have to have all those seed pots thingies all over what passes for a patio because you haven't sorted it out yet"
I'll just keep stum ;D
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Can I just ask what everyone uses for the Allionii as potting mix - I am using about 50% JI no 1 - about 25% 6mm grit - 10% coarse perlite and 15% johndo mixed chicken grit with limestone and oyster shells in it - plastic pots
not sure if I need to reduce the JI if i move over to clays
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It's possible Steve. I can't remember where I got mine from and 'Lismore' wasn't on the label. Do you have a picture?
This is mine, David. The flower seems a bit more plum-ish coloured than appears in the photo.
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P. marginata 'Kesselring's Var.' is covered in flowers at the moment, and without rain here they are looking at their absolute best.
My mystery 'Jenny?' is looking great too, and of all the Primula I have, she has the best scent. No response from the nursery yet re ID.
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Can I just ask what everyone uses for the Allionii as potting mix - I am using about 50% JI no 1 - about 25% 6mm grit - 10% coarse perlite and 15% johndo mixed chicken grit with limestone and oyster shells in it - plastic pots
not sure if I need to reduce the JI if i move over to clays
Graham I use, for plastics, 2 parts JI No2, 1 part multi-purpose or fine composted bark if I can get hold of it, 1 part grit and 1 part gritty sand. I don't grow in clays as I don't have room for a plunge, but if I did I'd probably up the grit by a part.
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This is mine, David. The flower seems a bit more plum-ish coloured than appears in the photo.
.... and this mine with a picture a bit on the dark side. Look a lot like each other? There doesn't seem to be a lot of info. on the Net but did find reference to 'Peardrop' being a cross between Auricula 'Old Red Dusty Miller and P. allionii. In Mary Robinson's book she refers to Lismore 79/10/2 being the same cross
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P. marginata 'Kesselring's Var.' is covered in flowers at the moment, and without rain here they are looking at their absolute best.
My mystery 'Jenny?' is looking great too, and of all the Primula I have, she has the best scent. No response from the nursery yet re ID.
They really look great Matt.
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Matt - Your P. marginata 'Kesselring's Var.' is quite the exceptional marginata. So many named ones I really can't tell apart.
johnw
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Thanks, David. I can't claim any real skill in growing them, they just seem to love our climate here.
John, I agree that so many cultivars are so similar. I try to limit my plant selections to those that 1. I like, 2. grow well in the open garden and 3. are distinctive for one reason or another. 'Kesselring's' easily falls into all three categories, perhaps its only (very small) fault is having flower stems that are a little too long for our breezy conditions.
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Chris B had some success at the Edinburgh show today (.... I've pinched her pix!)
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Primula 'Broadwell Milkmaid'
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I think this is Primula forbesii
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Well done Chris, nice Milkmaid. And there was me thinking you found it as 'miffy' as I did! You wait until next year and I might have some to give you a run for your money.
I'm not sure about Primula forbesii, but maybe it was the lighting in the Show Hall, but your's seems a lot deeper pink than these pictures suggest?
http://www.primulaworld.com/PWWeb/gallery/slides/forbesiiDR1.html (http://www.primulaworld.com/PWWeb/gallery/slides/forbesiiDR1.html)
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To be honest, I just guessed it is P. forbesii . Christine will be able to tell us when she gets home and recovers from getting up sat 4am!
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.... and this mine with a picture a bit on the dark side. Look a lot like each other? There doesn't seem to be a lot of info. on the Net but did find reference to 'Peardrop' being a cross between Auricula 'Old Red Dusty Miller and P. allionii. In Mary Robinson's book she refers to Lismore 79/10/2 being the same cross
Hi David - yes, they are the same cultivar. As you know, Lismore was the name used by the Burrows (before moving on to naming their selections after family members). Coincidentally, I was chatting to Brian Burrow at the Chesterfield show today and he says 'Peardrop' (it wasn't actually given the Lismore prefix) was the first of their Primula allionii hybrids to be named back in 1977.
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Many thanks for that Steve.
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P.'Lindum Crepe Suzette'
P.veris macrocalyx
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Primula 'Kusum Krishna'
Primula 'Marven' the colour is a bit too blue
Primula allionii x 'Blairside Yellow' Lis. P79/8
Primula allionii x 'Old Red Dusty Miller' this one is numbered Lis. P77/12
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Fantastic Primulas everybody ! :o
I have a few marginata's in flower in the garden at the moment :
- the pristine white Primula marginata 'Casterino'
- the quite dark blue Primula marginata 'Mauve Mist'
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Luc - Wonderfully distinct ones too!
john
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'Casterino' is especially lovely!
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I would like to move some of my Primula vulgaris, not wild type, in to pots. Am I wasting my time? What size pot do they need? What about the planning mix?
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I need to lift and separate some of my primroses because self sown seedlings are appearing right beside or within parent plants. Can I do that now?
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and a few more primroses
Who on the forum used to collect Primula vulgaris and its cultivars?
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Primula Lindum Storm Cloud - a bit darker that it normally appears as it has been in a shade house
Primula 'Mauve Mist' - got a lot of marginata in it - must learn not to splash the leaves with water
Primula 'Victoria' - need chopping up for cuttings to get it back to compact plants
Primula 'Bill Martin' - got a lot of these under the plunge - nice big flower and seem to survive better than some of the primula hybrids
Primula 'Lindum Whisper' been too long in deep shade - needs splitting for cuttings in the autumn
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it is such a good colour it needs a second picture.....:)
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Primula 'Victoria' is a nice colour Graeme. This might give you a bit of a shock though http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/galleries/primulas/european_hybrids/primula_x_victoria.html (http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/galleries/primulas/european_hybrids/primula_x_victoria.html)
Yours is listed in Mary Robinson though, she says:- "Not one of the easiest varieties to keep in good health, possibly losing it's vigour from over-propagation, or even old age" Don't let your plant read the book ;D
Lindum Storm Cloud is a beauty. Bill Martin is a new one on me.
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Who on the forum used to collect Primula vulgaris and its cultivars?
Giles, I think.
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I need to lift and separate some of my primroses because self sown seedlings are appearing right beside or within parent plants. Can I do that now?
You could provided you keep them well watered.
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Primula 'Victoria' is a nice colour Graeme. This might give you a bit of a shock though http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/galleries/primulas/european_hybrids/primula_x_victoria.html (http://www.auriculaandprimula.org.uk/galleries/primulas/european_hybrids/primula_x_victoria.html)
Yours is listed in Mary Robinson though, she says:- "Not one of the easiest varieties to keep in good health, possibly losing it's vigour from over-propagation, or even old age" Don't let your plant read the book ;D
Lindum Storm Cloud is a beauty. Bill Martin is a new one on me.
Yes I have seen the white one which I think was a later re-naming - very confusing for those of us who have the other one tucked under a bench
Mine did come directly from Mary a while before she died and is actually a good solid red - I need to chop my one plant up into cuttings at some stage - someone had a few on the members stand at Chesterfield AGS show about 8-10 years ago - that was the last time I had seen it anywhere. Yes I do need to keep that book well away from some of the plants I have ::)
The Bill Martin came from Potterton & Martin (Pottertons) again a long long time ago - I always thought it was named after one of the founders of the nursery - but I could be wrong https://pottertons.co.uk/pott/view_product.php?pid=3231 (https://pottertons.co.uk/pott/view_product.php?pid=3231)- I have quite a few so I will PM you and I can get one sent in the autumn to you - it is fairly bullet proof to be honest to survive with me and has big but not elegant flower.
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Thanks David. No Giles this year?
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Some great photos from Giles , Mark .... in other threads - where he has, for instance, shown really good primulas growing from his potting mix cast-offs and some fab magnolias......!
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Primula marginata, from a wild collection and supplied by Ardfearn.
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Thanks David. No Giles this year?
He's been about on one or two threads.
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Primula marginata, from a wild collection and supplied by Ardfearn.
Quite a 'flouncy' flower Matt, I like it. It prompted me to have a look at Ardfearn's Web Site but it seems to have disappeared.
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Ali from Ardfearn joined the forum just the other day, as it happens!
Site is here http://www.ardfearn-nursery.co.uk/ (http://www.ardfearn-nursery.co.uk/) but it seems to have disappeared from the links pages - will re-add it!
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Primula x pubescens 'Freedom'-not sure about the name
P. 'Lismore Jewell'-Can't capture the colour
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Primula x pubescens 'Freedom'-not sure about the name
Spot on Philip.
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Todays finds - a lovely pink and a pure white Primula vulgaris
?sipthorpii
white vulgaris - get excited?
white vulgaris with a normal one for comparrison
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Mmmmm.
http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/primula-vulgaris-subsp-sibthorpii.html (http://johngrimshawsgardendiary.blogspot.co.uk/2010/04/primula-vulgaris-subsp-sibthorpii.html)
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No Giles this year?
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You could provided you keep them well watered.
I'd also cut back the foliage savagely at the time of splitting (everything off, about two inches above groundlevel, with a pair of scissors).
Life's easier if you plant them back in the ground (away from the self sown seedlings) rather than use pots.
Frost penetrates the rootball if they're in pots (and they die in bad winters);you also avoid serious problems with vine weevil, botrytis and red spider mite, if they are planted back in the open garden.
I've found, atleast here, that vine weevil treatment for plants in the open garden, isn't needed.
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white vulgaris - get excited?
..quite a few white ones in the roadside banks 'round here..
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Mmmmm.
..better make that 2 x Mmmmm
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- a lovely pink Primula vulgaris
?sipthorpii
..I'd be suspicious of anything with streaky colouring in the petals...
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I'm going back tomorrow to get more photos of the white and pink one
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The reddest red can be.
Primula 'Cowichan Red' x 'Indian Red'
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:)
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That is a nice red, Wim.
If I were a bull, I'd go crazy :P
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That is a nice red, Wim.
If I were a bull, I'd go crazy :P
LOL, only milk-cows and pigs over here ;) ;D
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In spite of my putting shade paint on the greenhouse (regular readers will know that this usually provokes rain of Biblical proportions for days on end) we have had only three days this month (so far) when it has rained and temperatures have been way above normal. Indeed the highest mid-afternoon greenhouse temperature has been 32C. with all available vents and the door open. My Primulas are hating it even though they are covered under a couple of layers of fleece.
The wind is gradually shifting to the South West and on Friday will see far cooler conditions with some appreciable amount of rain. It really is a b****e trying to grow Primulas in Devon.
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P. marginata 'Kesselring's Variety'
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In 2002 I grew some primulas, mainly auricula hybrids, from seed from Fieldhouse Alpines. I grew on far too many as I couldn't decide which to throw away.Most have died but last year I propogated some of the survivors and they are flowering now.
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Side by side photos of three primroses I've found. Unfortunately my RHS colour chart doesn't do these colours. I must have bought a cheap version
What I have done is take three photos. One normal, one stepped down by a third and one stepped down by two thirds
The largest one I found yesterday.
The medium is the pale cream one I named 'Irish Cream'.
The small one is the white one I found earlier this week. Sadly it is not pristine white.
The last photo shows how my camera phone saw the plant with a normal flower for comparison
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Beautiful auriculas Roma.
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Beautiful auriculas Roma.
Very nice.
A tidy clump of P.sieboldii
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Beautiful auriculas Roma.
Thanks John and Giles.
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That's a nicely proportioned Primula sieboldii, Giles, and a graceful leaf.
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Thanks, Chris.
I grew it from seed sown about 3 yrs ago.
Funny thing is, it's growing in full sun in an alkaline soil (pH 8.0) which one's led to believe is everything it hates.
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Giles - did you deliberately sow in those conditions or did they self sow, and what proportion germinated and survived?
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Chris,
Primula sieboldii rarely sets any seed with me; so no self seeding.
I used Barnhaven seed (the only sieboldii seed that seems to be viable) and get very good germination (80% + ) planting out the plants in the open garden when they were one year old.
My garden is sunny and alkaline.. .. they have no choice.
2 useful tips given to me re. sieboldii's:
1. Seed requires a long cold period after sowing (I sow in December).
2. Keep plants moist through the summer, even after they die back. They're not dormant, they're busy underground.
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Giles
Thanks for that useful information, I haven't bought from Barnhaven but will look at the site.
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My mystery 'Jenny?' is looking great too, and of all the Primula I have, she has the best scent. No response from the nursery yet re ID.
P. 'Jenny' ID update:
Had a response from Terry at Edrom and he has no further info on this plant. I have sent an email to Jim Jermyn in case he might recall anything about it. Watch this space...
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Mystery solved!
I've had a reply from Jim Jermyn, who says:
I think this is a classic case of a miss-spelling. The plant in question actually came to me from Jim Sutherland (nearer to you!!) and was correctly named Primula ‘Janet’ and was a P. marginata form/hybrid and very attractive.
I noticed at the weekend that there is another nursery selling what appears to be the same plant under the name 'Jenny'. I'll drop both nurseries an email to pass on the info I received.
Here's the pic of my plant again.
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Primula sieboldii in the garden.
The white one is 'Snowdrop', the other a seedling.
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Primula sieboldii in the greenhouse.
Japanese cvs.
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'Ginger Spice' (Border Auricula).
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No names - but they are still going strong on my shed roof!
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Wow - some shed. :o
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This one I brought on the cheap from eBay. But was not expecting this, what a cracker!!
Primula chionantha subsp. sinopurpurea
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Very nice one, Lewis. Smells good too, eh?
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Very nice one, Lewis. Smells good too, eh?
Yep, I had to go check though. :)
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Yep, I had to go check though. :)
8) ;D ;D ;D
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European alpine primulas are flowering here.
1.2. Primula marginata (different to my delight)
3. Primula hirsuta
4. I got it as "Primula cottia from Austria" but to my knowledge P. cottia is from Italy. Can it be primula villosa?
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Nice to see Spring has reached Moscow Oleg. Primula cotti seems to be a problem for taxonomists though. Some think of it as a species in it's own right, others that it is a sub species of P. hirsuta and yet others that it is synonymous with P.villosa. It's a lovely little plant.
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Thank you, David. Whatever it is, I like it a lot. And it is different from other primulas of the group.
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I bought P. Scotica backend of last year and it is now flowering, only one flower so far, but it's a lovely little thing. Also in flower is P.tschuktschorum(thanks for the right spelling maggi) which I got at the same time. Both these are new to me so I hope I am growing them ok.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8849/17303506140_f493369fa3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sn3ZwL)image (https://flic.kr/p/sn3ZwL) by John Stephen Lavin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8780/17491119405_7a30f8ddf3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/sDCyqe)image (https://flic.kr/p/sDCyqe) by John Stephen Lavin (https://www.flickr.com/photos/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Very close, JS! Primula tschuktschorum - it's a killer name, isn't it?
This paper may be interesting:
http://aknhp.uaa.alaska.edu/big-files/Botany/Publications/2006/Natural_Threats_to_Primula_tschuktschorum.pdf (http://aknhp.uaa.alaska.edu/big-files/Botany/Publications/2006/Natural_Threats_to_Primula_tschuktschorum.pdf)
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It's a bit of a tongue twister name for sure ;D thanks for the link.
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very nice plant though.
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Yes it is mark, it's a pity though it's not doing so well In it's native habitat.
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Primula sieboldii
Magnolias underplanted with Barnhaven seedlings.
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How nice P.sieboldii look under the magnolias! :)
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Thankyou, Leena.
I'm very fond of them.
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:)
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Primula sieboldii with just the merest hint of lilac - how very pretty.
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Giles I love your underplanting of primula sieboldii.Where would I be able to purchase the seed from?
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Thankyou, John.
I get my seed here: http://www.barnhaven.com/primula-sieboldii/sieboldii-seeds (http://www.barnhaven.com/primula-sieboldii/sieboldii-seeds)
Probably best to wait now, until the new crop of seed comes in, and sow Dec/Jan.
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I have also P.sieboldii ('Dancing Ladies' and 'Manakoora') from Barnhaven, sown couple of years ago in autumn, and I like them very much. That is a good source of fresh seeds and they have many sorts of P.sieboldii. Last autumn I sowed their Smooth Blue Forms (P.sieboldii), and they are germinating now. Can't wait to see how they will look next year.
These Barnhaven P.sieboldii flower later than my old P.sieboldii without cultivar name (pink), which is flowering now, Barnhavens primulas flower here in June. I wonder why that is..
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Primula sieboldii 'Dancing Ladies'
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I just visited the location where Primula mallophylla was rediscovered a couple of years ago... Two hours walking around in the rain, and not a single trace of any Primula to be seen. I see one of the Chinese plant dealers are selling it, makes you wonder how many plants are actually left in the wild :P
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Primula kisoana
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Re: Primula 2015
Sorry to hear you had a wasted journey bjornar. Here is a primula bjornar (arisaema)found a couple of years ago flowering now in Scotland from his seed. Primula agleniana
Does primula kingii live anywhere near your travels ;D
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Very nice, glad to see them in flower so soon! No P. kingii where I'm allowed, but P. valentiana is more or less the same I think, and you already got seeds of that ;)
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Susan, I am so happy to see your success with Primula agleniana. I also received seed (more than once) from Bjornar and they germinated beautifully (with or without GA3) but after their first set of true leaves appeared they stopped growing and eventually faded away. Why are the plants you desire most the hardest to win over? Will you please share your method for success?
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Ken. I pricked them out early on, just when the first true leaves formed, into jiffy plugs in a shady tunnel. After they grew on I planted them into fish boxes. This is just so I keep some stock for myself. They stayed in a very shady tunnel along with my nomocharis/lilies. In the spring I moved them outside, too early I think as the leaves got frosted. I then found a place in the stock beds for them so planted them in the ground. Nothing scientific about this, things get moved around here depending on space issues. Perhaps they did so well as I didn't realise they were so beautiful and just treated them like everything else. The more you want something the harder it is to grow ::)
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I have just found a couple of primula valentiniana seedlings poking up through the moss. They are now pricked into plugs. Hope they are as successful.
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Primula sieboldii: pale pink seedlings
Primula siebodii from spent seed compost dumped at back of border....
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Primula munroi
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:)
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before - John Richard's book Primulas, is now available as a e-book.
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"The classic text on the Genus Primula, "Primula" by John Richards is now available as an ebook for $15.09 on Google Play. This book gives a systematic overview of each species with an emphasis on comparisons between related species. There are also sections for Historical Introduction, Cultivation, Evolutionary History, Important Characters, Heterostyly & Homostyly and a Botanical Key. Note that there are differences between Richards and other authorities for the classification of some species."
http://www.primulaworld.blogspot.ca/2015/05/ebook-primula-by-john-richards.html (http://www.primulaworld.blogspot.ca/2015/05/ebook-primula-by-john-richards.html)
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I already have the book but this raises a question in my mind. If a book is published as an e-book does the author still receive royalties from such sales. I hope they do, I'd hate Google to amass further revenues to dodge paying tax on!
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Primula kisoana var. shikokiana 'Iyobeni'
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Very nice colour, Giles - it that from Jodie at Barnhaven?
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.. it was .... ;)
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My 4 precious P. maximowiczii have died over winter. Surely not our colder-than-usual but more likely bogged. We were under water several times and it's STILL very wet. >:(
Happier thugh, there was something on the Forum some time ago about some new Irish primulas, with dark foliage. I yearned for them at the time but recently a local nursery has brought in a few forms as tissue cultured material and I bought three this last week, 'Dunbeg,' 'Cloddah' and 'Innisfree.' (I need to nip out and check the spelling of the names but it's only 2C out there at present.) The flowers are very nice but the foliage is fantastic. ;D
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I like your spent compost group Giles. They are very attractive. Dumping old seed pot compost is always a good policy.
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Happier though, there was something on the Forum some time ago about some new Irish primulas, with dark foliage. I yearned for them at the time but recently a local nursery has brought in a few forms as tissue cultured material and I bought three this last week, 'Dunbeg,' 'Cloddah' and 'Innisfree.' (I need to nip out and check the spelling of the names but it's only 2C out there at present.) The flowers are very nice but the foliage is fantastic. ;D
coo, that's a bit of luck Lesley - they are lovely aren't they?
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Happier thugh, there was something on the Forum some time ago about some new Irish primulas, with dark foliage. I yearned for them at the time but recently a local nursery has brought in a few forms as tissue cultured material and I bought three this last week, 'Dunbeg,' 'Cloddah' and 'Innisfree.' (I need to nip out and check the spelling of the names but it's only 2C out there at present.) The flowers are very nice but the foliage is fantastic. ;D
When I saw them at your place Lesley I thought the Irish primulas were on steroids such was the size of the foliage...too much for me I'm afraid :o. I prefer the more delicate ,such as this little honey who's name escapes me for the moment flowering in the sand crevice bed...
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I know that a few adventitious flowers on Primulas at this time of year is normal but this is ridiculous!
Primula 'Lindum Heavenly'
P. 'Wharfedale Sunshine'
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I know that a few adventitious flowers on Primulas at this time of year is normal but this is ridiculous!
Primula 'Lindum Heavenly'
P. 'Wharfedale Sunshine'
Nice is the Lindum Heavenly that blue?
Got 2 minutes in the alpine house today and P. Allionii 'Neon' is in flower - will try and get a photo this weekend
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Nice is the Lindum Heavenly that blue?
I'm hopeless with colours but I think so. Looks around the same on last year's pic.
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I'm hopeless with colours but I think so. Looks around the same on last year's pic.
okay thanks - its not one I have ever seen up close - good colour
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I had a good Tee Hee at your signature line!
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I had a good Tee Hee at your signature line!
I have just changed it from the one I had put up the last time we discussed global warming
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I know that a few adventitious flowers on Primulas at this time of year is normal but this is ridiculous!
Primula 'Lindum Heavenly'
P. 'Wharfedale Sunshine'
Nice Prims David .
Here's my contribution --pic taken today .
Primula reidii var williamsii looking the best it ever has. Repotted at the end of last season and placed under the cover for the winter I also gave it a bit of a feed when it started to recommence growth. 5 flowering stalks of heavenly strong scent, :P .I keep on lifting the pot for a sniff as I pass by ;D.....
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One of the best floral scents to my mind.
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Really nice that Dave. One of these days I'm going to have a go at one of those, probably die a thousand deaths in my climate though!
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My P. reidii (white) has 5 stems this year and one is fasciated (spelling?), with a whole flower head present but no petals. I mean that the ovaries are there and also the pistils and stamens which means that it is, in effect both pin and thrum headed which means I can easily use it to pollinate the other small white plants and maybe try the blue as well. I've also self-pollinated it, in hope. When I used to grow many of both whites and blues, originally from Jack Drake seed, I always had lots of seed without any effort on my part at all.
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Really nice that Dave. One of these days I'm going to have a go at one of those, probably die a thousand deaths in my climate though!
Thanks David ---Just had a look at your areas climate stat's ...looks like you are not as moist as us here in the summer so you could be correct .......
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Primula auricula 'Bob Lancashire' flowering today in Northern Ireland.
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lovely green edge Dave.
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I have a few Primula flowers down among the leaves but this one is standing up well
Primula Francisca
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I have a few Primula flowers down among the leaves but this one is standing up well
Primula Francisca
It does, I have it, too, and it flowers for a long time here. :)
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I was somewhat surprised to see a Primula capitata flowering well out of season
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Love the auricula. 'Bob' has a wonderful Elizabethan ruff almost. It seems to stand up and out. Do I like 'Francisca?' Do I?,don't I? do I? Not sure. :-\
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Love the auricula. 'Bob' has a wonderful Elizabethan ruff almost. It seems to stand up and out. Do I like 'Francisca?' Do I?,don't I? do I? Not sure. :-\
'True Briton' was my favorite auricula - sadly lost it some years ago
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'Dawn Ansell'
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Here is my Primula 'Francesca' last June. Geranium in the picture is G.x cantabrigiense 'Biokovo'
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Geranium x cantabrigiense 'Biokovo' looks a neat plant, Leena.
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Francesca told me she found that Primula on a compost heap behind a garden centre in metro Vancouver! Some have all the luck. ;)
johnw
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From Pam Eveleigh of Primula World :
"What do these flowers have in common, other than being Primula?
Read my blog post at www.primulaworld.com (http://www.primulaworld.com) on the Eye of the Flower. "
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http://www.primulaworld.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-eye-of-flower.html (http://www.primulaworld.blogspot.ca/2015/11/the-eye-of-flower.html)
Lots of interest in Pam's blogs, as well as in the super Primula World site.
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Thanks Maggi. :)
Francesca told me she found that Primula on a compost heap behind a garden centre in metro Vancouver! Some have all the luck. ;)
This is interesting, I didn't know the origin of this primula. I've had it now for several years and it grows well for me. It is now so pretty as many others but it is different and keeps it's flowers for a long time. :)
A Primula, which is very pretty is 'Dark Rosaleen'. Does anyone know it's origin?
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Leena, there is a 'Dark RosalIE, bred in Northern Ireland by Joe Kennedy
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Leena, there is a 'Dark RosalIE, bred in Northern Ireland by Joe Kennedy
OK. :) I have bought this Primula as 'Dark Rosaleen', but is it then the wrong name?
The yellow Primulas in the second picture in the back are grown from seed, as Primula 'Jessica', perhaps 'Jessica' is a name for a strain.
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Hi Leena, I've spent a couple of hours today looking into this and here's what I found.
First of all P. 'Dark Rosaleen' is widely available in many parts of the world, probably as a result of micro-propagation, and is attributable to the now famous Northern Irish breeder Joe Kennedy. All the plants I've seen pictures of on Google are remarkably like yours.
In his book "Primroses & Polyanthus-A Guide to Species and Hybrids" (Batsford 1997) the author Peter Ward lists 'Dark Rosalie', bred by Joe Kennedy and originally developed from 'Kinloch Beauty'. He descibes it as 'a small bronze-leaved plant with thrum-eyed, almost eyeless flowers, dark red with broad stripes of a lighter shade- a true striped primrose.........A sensation at the Irish Spring Show in 1997'
Now, of course there may have been a mis-spelling involved in Ward and perhaps he meant to say 'Dark Rosaleen'. Perhaps also there actually was a 'Dark Rosalie' but she wasn't such a good doer as Rosaleen and she has gone the way of all plants? I wonder if any of the Irish/Northern Irish Forumists might see this and might have access to any records of the 1997 Show Ward mentioned?
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Thanks David, My plant is most likely micro-propagated, but it is a good plant and I have already divided it once (it was planted in 2013).
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OK. :) perhaps 'Jessica' is a name for a strain.
..yes, a dark leaved strain from Jelitto....http://jelitto.com/Jelitto+Perennial+Seeds/New+Varieties/New+Varieties+2003/PRIMULA+elatior-Hybr+Jessica+Portion+s.html?listtype=search&searchparam=primula (http://jelitto.com/Jelitto+Perennial+Seeds/New+Varieties/New+Varieties+2003/PRIMULA+elatior-Hybr+Jessica+Portion+s.html?listtype=search&searchparam=primula)
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Thanks Giles. I have grown my plants from seeds I got from a friend, and about half of them have dark leaves, and half ordinary leaves, but both very nice plants. :)
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First allionii out - in fact it's been out for over a week. It's always the first. P. allionii Elizabeth Burrow.
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News from the primula world - in fact from Pam Eveleigh of Primula World ;) :D
http://www.primulaworld.blogspot.ca/2015/12/recent-new-primula-species.html (http://www.primulaworld.blogspot.ca/2015/12/recent-new-primula-species.html)