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Title: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Hannelore on October 05, 2020, 10:10:48 AM
The autumn proceeds:
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The first 'Pink Panther' is open.

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Reginae-Olgae is raising its head.
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Chad on October 06, 2020, 06:52:40 PM
I have finally been convinced that Pink Panther does have some pink pigment in it.

John's blog post (http://www.johnjearrard.co.uk/archive2020/2020.10.04/index.html) has a picture, but in 'the flesh' it is more obvious.

Does anyone know if the pink pigment has been characterised?

Or, has anyone got a big enough clump that we could sacrifice the flowers to do an extraction and chromatography?

I'm guessing it is the same pigment as in Acis rosea, but I don't think that has been characterised either!

Chad
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Maggi Young on October 06, 2020, 08:58:22 PM
Lovely  photo  from John Jearrard of 'Pink Panther' - I definitely  saw  mine  as  pink when I  got  it  last  year so I am anxiously awaiting  this  year's   bud- which is  almost  ready  to  open - to show  its true  colour  soon! I'll ask the  Bulb Despot  to  photograph  it  for  me when it  does -   it, and  the  'Blanc de  Chine' in the  pot  beside  it  have  both  got  roots  out though, so getting a  decent  shot  may  be  tricky. The  BD had  to wriggle  a  lot  to  get  a  shot  of  'Blanc de  Chine ' for  tomorrow's Bulb Log! 
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Gail on October 06, 2020, 09:02:16 PM
I'm guessing it is the same pigment as in Acis rosea, but I don't think that has been characterised either!

Chad
I was guessing that too and as an aside wondering if anyone has tried crossing Acis with Galanthus...
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Chad on October 06, 2020, 09:58:40 PM
Galanthus, Acis and Leucojum hybrids have been repeatedly attempted and as far as I know none have succeeded.

From first principles it is a big [but not impossible] ask.

Chromosome counts, though with some variability, suggest Galanthus 2n=24, Acis 2n=16,  and Leucojum 2n=22.

So a 'new' intergeneric hybrid would probably need to go for polyploidy at the same time as hybridity to be viable.

That isn't impossible, but you would need to do an awful lot of the cross to be likely to get a viable offspring.

Chad
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Gail on October 07, 2020, 08:53:58 AM
Thanks Chad, interesting but I suspect it is one of those things I'll put on the "if there were but time enough" list...
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Hannelore on October 09, 2020, 05:59:31 PM
Yes, it's pink. My Group of Pink Panther today:
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Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: ielaba2011 on October 11, 2020, 11:31:23 PM
Last year some two friends in the forum, very kindly, have sent me Galanthus reginae-olgae bulbs - I wanted to try this species since it is supoused to be better suited to my climate. They have now competed full circle in my garden and they are starting to flower for the first time.   I think this was a success. New noses are coming through from the ground and they look healthy!

Thank you to @Ashley and @Gail for 'Blanc De Chine'.

 'Tilebarn Jamie' is also producing at leats two noses, still developing.  ;D

Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Hannelore on October 12, 2020, 07:37:48 AM
"Blanc de Chine" will definitively be the next on my wishlist!
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: ashley on October 12, 2020, 03:49:51 PM
Well done Jaime 8)
They're flowering at the same time here, but under glass. 
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Anne Repnow on October 13, 2020, 08:11:55 PM
'Pink Panther' is always the first G. reginae-olgae to flower here. I find that the pink hue shows particularly well in older flowers.
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Anne Repnow on October 13, 2020, 08:15:18 PM
G. reginae-olgae 'Ruby's Green Dream' is clumping up nicely
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Edgar Wills on October 14, 2020, 01:33:28 PM
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G. Reginae-olgae

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G. Reginae-olgae 'Casper' with what is left of pink panther.

Still waiting for g. Bursanus to open to try and sample the smell.
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Edgar Wills on October 15, 2020, 02:00:08 PM
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G. bursanus opened, couldn't smell so much actually.
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Gail on October 15, 2020, 05:49:47 PM
Perhaps it needs a warmer day?
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: ashley on October 18, 2020, 03:16:52 PM
G. peshmenii
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Gail on October 19, 2020, 09:24:28 PM
Galanthus reginae-olgae is doing well in the rock garden at Wisley, photographed last week;
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I bought a snowdrop labelled G. reginae-olgae 'Cambridge' from the Wisley plant centre which has slight green smudges on the outer petals.
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This one is G. reginae-olgae 'Uranium', difficult to photograph but there is a distinct green glow to the petals. 'Adamite' is similar and looked very green when it first opened but faded quicker.
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Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: MargaretB on October 22, 2020, 10:26:41 PM
Rainbow Farm Early on 19 October, I don't think it's flowered this early before.
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Gerdk on October 23, 2020, 11:04:48 AM
Galanthus elwesii Naomi Slade

Gerd
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Gail on October 23, 2020, 07:46:00 PM
Galanthus elwesii Naomi Slade
Gerd
'Naomi Slade' is a selection of G. reginae-olgae Gerd not elwesii, described as "an early flowering form appearing in September/October and has very large, wide-petalled flowers with a solid green mark on the inner petals". My plant is flowering now so not particularly early and I wouldn't say the flowers are any wider than other forms although perhaps they will increase with age?

And whilst on the subject of Galanthus that are not elwesii - last month I posted a picture of my Galanthus 'Kinn McIntosh' which had been sold to me as an elwesii cultivar but the leaves didn't look right - more like reginae-olgae but with a slightly folded back plicatus edge. Last week I spoke to Bob Brown (who in reference to Maggie's comment "I've  read  that Bob Brown of  Cotswold  Garden plants  found  this  in the  garden of the  person for  whom it  is  named  - in 1946  !!   Bob must  be  older than I thought!!" says he was only one year old then). He says that he was told it was a form of G. byzantinus. This is now considered to be a subspecies of G. plicatus which makes more sense looking at the leaf characteristics. Bob's plants weren't up but he is going to have a look when they appear and see if they are the same as mine;
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Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Gerdk on October 24, 2020, 09:06:59 AM
Thank you Gail - it seems I have to have a closer look at my labels!

Gerd
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Edgar Wills on October 24, 2020, 02:52:50 PM
Some Galanthus in the garden this week:
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G. reginae-olgae flowers opened nicely with 20 degrees Celcius earlier this week.
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G. reginae-olgae 'Casper'
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G. bursanus opened up and yes, it actually did smell very sweet up close.
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Just a bunch of normal g. reginae-olgae.
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Newly acquired g. peshmenii about to flower. Looking forward to 'Green flight'.
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: annew on October 27, 2020, 02:43:10 PM
Some autumn-flowering snowdrops out now. I'd rather be indoors photographing today!
These show variation in one batch of seedlings from G. reginae-olgae x peshmenii
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These two are maybe my favourites with large flowers
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Autumn Beauty is performing well this year after taking a few years to bring it back to health from a dodgy start in a garden centre
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Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: annew on October 27, 2020, 02:47:53 PM
Galanthus reginae-olgae Eleni came into the house bearing a passenger!
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Galanthus reginae-olgae Tilebarn Jamie is another fine cultivar.
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These two are the same species - both G. peshmenii. The more compact, small-bulbed form on the left, and the bigger, beefier Kastellorizo form on the right.
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Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: TCalkins on October 31, 2020, 11:39:46 PM
Some early blooms in Virginia, USA, on All Hallows Eve
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Maggi Young on November 01, 2020, 05:29:43 PM
Nice  to see  these  do well for  you outside, Timothy - I'm not  so lucky here in Aberdeen.
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Hannelore on November 01, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
Reginae-Olgae in the second year form a nice group:
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Galanthus peshmenii came again too:
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Remember Remember freshly planted some weeks ago is lurking:
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Hannelore
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Cod on November 01, 2020, 08:11:20 PM
Thanks for all the lovely photos,does anybody know what’s going on with this peshmenii.
Title: Re: Galanthus October 2020
Post by: Cod on November 01, 2020, 08:13:33 PM
A different angle
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