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Cyclamen Society Show - Winter Show 2020: Sunday 9 February 2020 – Birmingham Botanical Gardens https://www.cyclamen.org/shows/ (https://www.cyclamen.org/shows/)
Sorry, no times given - I hope a Cyclamen Society member might be able to help!
Directions to the show :
Birmingham
The Birmingham Botanical Gardens and Glasshouses are situated in Westbourne Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham, B15 3TR. Tel: 0121 454 1860.
FROM M40 – Take M42 West to M5 North and then follow directions from M5.
FROM M5 – Leave at Junction 3 and take A456 signposted to City Centre. Turn right on to B4129 (Norfolk Road) signposted to Botanical Gardens.
FROM M6 – Leave at Junction 6 and take A38(M) to City Centre. Follow underpasses sign posted Birmingham West to A456. At Five Ways island turn left on to B4217 (Calthorpe Road) signposted to Botanical Gardens.
The gardens are well signposted with brown and cream tourist signs from at least two miles away. If you have a De Luxe Birmingham A-Z map, the reference is page 116 4B. On the Ordnance Survey Street Atlas of Birmingham and West Midlands, the map reference is page 85 7F.
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Just 2 pics of Cyclamen elegans Reiko (seedlings) - originally received from the late Jan Bravenboer
Gerd
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Just 2 pics of Cyclamen elegans Reiko (seedlings) - originally received from the late Jan Bravenboer
Gerd
Perfect!
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Beautiful plants Gerd.
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Thank you Maggi & David!
Gerd
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I'd like to donate some mature cyclamen plants to my local botanical garden. Can someone suggest the best time to dig the tubers? Some are 4 or 5 inches across.
Thank you.
...Claire
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I'd like to donate some mature cyclamen plants to my local botanical garden. Can someone suggest the best time to dig the tubers? Some are 4 or 5 inches across.
Thank you.
...Claire
Wait until the foliage dies back in early summer and lift the tubers then.
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Thank you for the advice. I can easily wait until then. In some places in my garden right now, cyclamen are a solid green ground cover.
...Claire
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A couple of mixed pots. The first one was labelled parviflorum subalpinum and appears to be mainly coum with a couple of persicum.
Seed was from the Cyclamen Society sown in November 2017.
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nice foliage on the first batch
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Cyclamen graecum is the first of the year in our garden
cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen rohlfsianum is already in flower in the rock garden
cheers
fermi
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White Cyclamen graecum also flowering
cheers
fermi
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More blooms on Cyclamen rohlfsianum
and Cyclamen graecum in the rock gardens
cheers
fermi
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how come the best seedlings are always in the plunge below
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Coum Porcelain seems to have liked the mild weather
a very kind forum member sent me a couple of corms a few years ago - this is the first time I have managed to get a decent flowering
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Coum 'Golan Heights' seems to be flowering well this year - I suspect it needs a bit more warmth over winter
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Coum from Golan need a very late watering. The white form is now classified as Cyclamen coum f. albissimum
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Coum Porcelain seems to have liked the mild weather
a very kind forum member sent me a couple of corms a few years ago - this is the first time I have managed to get a decent flowering
Unfortunately the fine lines on the petals are not stable. My plant, received from the late Jane Bravenboer looks like an ordinary white coum this season.
Gerd
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Cyclamen libanoticum in the garden, flowering in exactly the same weeks as last year:
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There is a coum growing next to it, showing some of its leaves in the picture.
Also, to my surprise, Cyclamen pseudibericum made it into a batch of C. hederifolium that I planted on the edge of a path under a tall fir tree:
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I am now growing more species outdoors without protection than I ever thought possible. One day they will freeze I suppose or succumb to a soggy summer..For now they look very cheerful.
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Cyclamen mirabile - grown from seed from AGS Seedex as "ex Tilebarn Nicholas" and subsequent generations
cheers
fermi
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Nice to see ‘em Fermi. My Cyclamen in the greenhouse are terrible this year mainly because of a lack of attention during our big wet period between November and the early part of March when it was mainly too wet to even think about getting outside.
This last week has been beautiful with wall-to-wall sunshine every day but quite a nip in the air and was able to catch up a bit. The thing is as we are confined to home because of the Virus Maureen drags me out every afternoon on a long walk and my knees are just about shot now. I could do with making an appointment! ;D
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Cyclamen Coum, sown fall 2018 (but too late), germinated fall 2019, flowering spring 2020 - spent winter in an unheated greenhouse.
I really was not expecting these to flower that fast :)
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Nice to see ‘em Fermi. My Cyclamen in the greenhouse are terrible this year mainly because of a lack of attention during our big wet period between November and the early part of March when it was mainly too wet to even think about getting outside.
This last week has been beautiful with wall-to-wall sunshine every day but quite a nip in the air and was able to catch up a bit. The thing is as we are confined to home because of the Virus Maureen drags me out every afternoon on a long walk and my knees are just about shot now. I could do with making an appointment! ;D
Thanks, David,
we're now heading into cooler weather at last! Soon we'll be complaining about how cold it is!
As for your knees I'm happy to suggest some exercises :)
cheers
fermi
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I am now growing more species outdoors without protection than I ever thought possible. One day they will freeze I suppose or succumb to a soggy summer..For now they look very cheerful.
Cyclamen are stronger than literature claims
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A pot of Cyclamen x meiklei, raised from seed obtained from the late Jan Bravenboer, seed from C.creticum completely silver leaf x C. repandum. Sown 23/09/2010
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Also flowering C. balearicum, nice flower but look at the leaf!
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The more Cyclamen I grow, or rather the longer, the more I get odd behaviour. I have one C. persicum that flowered before Christmas and has just produced ripe seed ???
I hope this leaf problem doesn't spread. It appears on and off on balearicum but not on others in section repandum.
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A pot of Cyclamen x meiklei, raised from seed obtained from the late Jan Bravenboer, seed from C.creticum completely silver leaf x C. repandum. Sown 23/09/2010
Should try to cross them, it's stronger than creticum itself.
Cyclamen rhodium is very shy this year few stems per pot
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Here in Adelaide South Australia we are 180° out of sync in our seasons and Cyclamen are waking up from summer dormancy. I was given a few pots of seedlings by a fellow enthusiast last spring, some of them sans labels. Can anyone tell me what this could be? My initial thought was persicum, but maybe graecum? No sign of flower buds at this stage which will help to clear it up.
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Here in Adelaide South Australia we are 180° out of sync in our seasons and Cyclamen are waking up from summer dormancy. I was given a few pots of seedlings by a fellow enthusiast last spring, some of them sans labels. Can anyone tell me what this could be? My initial thought was persicum, but maybe graecum? No sign of flower buds at this stage which will help to clear it up.
I think persicum from the 'look' of the leaf but flowering period will obviously confirm which it is.
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Thanks SJW, I think I'll just have to be patient and wait for flowers.
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Cyclamen repandum.
I've struggled with this in the greenhouse and never got it to flower and it has rarely looked as if it was going to survive. A couple of years ago I moved out into the garden and it is spreading nicely.
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I think I have only one Cyclamen repandum doing well in the greenhouse this year. C. rhodium peloponnesiacum and C. rhodium vividum are looking good. The white one is Cyclamen creticum
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This Cyclamen repandum was overrun by Zauschneria garrettii a few years ago. It has thrived, putting out lots of seedlings. I guess this just shows that plants grow where they want, even though it wouldn't be a spot I'd pick for them.
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Cyclamen rhodium peloponnesiacum
Roma does your plants is from seeds? Very nice foliage not often seen in the wild.
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Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum from Rock Garden Club seed received Jan 2013. I recall that 6 seeds germinated, three I have in pots; first image is the best one I think. The other three I planted out in the garden, in dappled shade. Two have now survived three 'winters' here, planted quite deeply and with just a little mulch. Leaves get a bit moth eaten as time goes by but one of the remainers flowers quite well. I expect a hard winter might see the end of these, but I'll enjoy them whilst I can. Maybe this species is hardier than we are led to believe??
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Yann, my Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum was grown from Cyclamen society seed - 2nd generation from CSE wild collected plant. Seed was sown in 2003.
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Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum from Rock Garden Club seed received Jan 2013. I recall that 6 seeds germinated, three I have in pots; first image is the best one I think. The other three I planted out in the garden, in dappled shade. Two have now survived three 'winters' here, planted quite deeply and with just a little mulch. Leaves get a bit moth eaten as time goes by but one of the remainers flowers quite well. I expect a hard winter might see the end of these, but I'll enjoy them whilst I can. Maybe this species is hardier than we are led to believe??
During winter temperatures can drop down 2-3°c in south of Greece and dodecanese islands, until it's not frozen under 5°c no problem with the bulbs.
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Yann, my Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum was grown from Cyclamen society seed - 2nd generation from CSE wild collected plant. Seed was sown in 2003.
thanks Roma
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Two colour variants of Cyclamen repandum - seem to have no problems outside here
Gerd
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Cyclamen purpurascens is starting to flower and Cyclamen colchicum is not far behind.
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An early starter here, maybe I should blame the weather? Cyclamen hederifolium f. albiflorum
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A friend of mine always lamented the first Cyclamen hederifolium because it meant the end of summer - I would be the opposite in our climate! I no longer bemoan the winter because it means the fire season (here at least) is over.
Cyclamen elegans in a pot in the garden.
cheers
fermi
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First of the Cyclamen persicum in the garden to flower
cheers
fermi
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Anthony Darby on Facebook showed his C. persicum in his Aukland garden ......
"This morning, just before heading to school. Cyclamen persicum from Rhodes at the back and Jordan at the front."
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Cyclamen persicum flowering in the rockery in East Auckland. The larger one is from Rhodes seed, the other from Jordan. Two single tubers from seed kindly sent by Hans Joschko.
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Congratulation Anthony !!!
Nice to see your pretty plants from my seeds
Hans :)
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Cyclamen mirabile - very early this year
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Roma, I have one that has been flowering for around ten days now but haven’t had a chance to picture it yet. As you say, very early.
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I found a whole tray full of mirabile in full flower under the greenhouse bench (unwatered) at the start of August. Very early indeed. I wonder if it was the cool nights In July (8C in my greenhouse) which triggered flowering?
Also, in the garden, my first C. hederifolium came into flower on 2nd June, following a brief shower of rain. It had been so dry and warm from March - June that the poor plants must have thought the rain meant autumn. The cold and the rain of July brought all the rest into flower. I would post some photos if could, but apparently my files are always too big (sigh).
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I would post some photos if could, but apparently my files are always too big (sigh).
Oh Carolyn, I do not know why you have this problem. I do occasionally have such a hiccup but by and large the system will post photos of just abut any size without "complaint". The other day I was posting pix from elsewhere for a member and I posted a whole string of large size images without bother. Suddenly the system decided to "change its mind" and baulked at any larger than 200kb. Irritating? Yes, but I used the simple resizing element I have on my ancient ACDSee programme and then loaded the pix as usual. It really didn't take very long and the end result is that the photos are there in the forum as a lasting record.
I am far from being a computer whizz and the programme I use for photo sizing etc is, in computer terms, almost antediluvian, so no fancy knowledge or equipment is needed.
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Last summer I planted several C.purpurascens corms in different places in the garden to see where they would like it most.
All survived the winter well and now most are flowering. :) I'm so happy about these, and hope they will grow bigger in time.
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Cyclamen graecum ssp. candicum, a Creten species, from seed kindly sent to me by Tony Willis a few years ago now, and sown 2011.
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Cyclamen mirabile again from seed provided by Tony Willis
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Cyclamen mirabile 'Tilebarn Nicholas'. A bit on the dark side, sorry. Flowers coming towards their end now but the leaves are nice.
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A light form of Cyclamen cilicium from SRGC Exchange seed sown eons ago!
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Purpurascens Alba
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Cyclamens are a sure value in any garden, 2 years ago i plantes several graecum in a south corner, bulbs are now twice the size they were and not damage with the winter rains.
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Cyclamen hederifolium and a very dark one.
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Cyclamen graecum in tufa garden.
Cyclamen graecum ‘Glyfada’ is wrong name, the leave is not right. It should be Cyclamen graecum.
Cyclamen graecum f. album
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Cyclamen confusum on different places in the garden.
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Cyclamen colchicum
Cyclamen purpurascens, picture from July
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Herman, what a nice cyclamen flowering you have, and a lot of them!
Here first C.purpurascens started to flower in early August, and still there are flowers in some of them. It seems that some of them start to flower later than others.
C.hederifolium has not been hardy in my garden, but C.purpurascens is, I'm so happy about that!
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This is Cyclamen graecum ssp. candicum from Crete - flowering since two weeks
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Herman, what a nice cyclamen flowering you have, and a lot of them!
Here first C.purpurascens started to flower in early August, and still there are flowers in some of them. It seems that some of them start to flower later than others.
C.hederifolium has not been hardy in my garden, but C.purpurascens is, I'm so happy about that!
Leena, here I have had in the past some damage at the leaves of C. hederifolium because of frost, but they always have survived.
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This was kindly identified from its leaves last year as C. hederifolium - it originated from the Madonie mountains in Sicily and I had hoped it was C. repandum. Anyway, here is the flower at the moment for anyone to confirm :)
Best wishes!
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Cyclamen graecum
Still not sure if this is graecum, maritimum or candicum. I think it is candicum, but can anyone tell from this picture?
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Cyclamen hederifolium bicolour flower
This tuber produced mostly white flowers, but 2 flowers are distinctly bi-coloured! probably a chance mutation that will not come back next year. I'll try to keep the seedpods separate ( ;D wish me luck)
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These C.purpurascens have grown indoors and were planted in the garden 2 years ago.
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Their siblings do well under LED lighting and flower all year round.
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Cyclamen hederifolium bicolour flower
This tuber produced mostly white flowers, but 2 flowers are distinctly bi-coloured! probably a chance mutation that will not come back next year. I'll try to keep the seedpods separate ( ;D wish me luck)
This one appeared 4 years ago in my garden and was potted, but never flowered the same again. Probably this phenomenon is due to stress of any kind.
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I had a similar "striped" flower this year on a young plant, which I lifted from the garden. Hints of the forms called "Ruby" with a much darker colour. A second flower showed little of this marking, but I do have some other corms with much darker colour.
Brian Whyer SE UK
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Has anyone tried to hybridize Cyclamen hederefolium with Cyclamen cilicium?
Do they hybridize?
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From Kirsten Andersen on FB - "Cyclamen hederifolium CSE 07003G. I have a question - is it a 'Red Corfu'? "
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From Kirsten Andersen on FB - "Cyclamen hederifolium CSE 07003G. I have a question - is it a 'Red Corfu'? "
Kirsten says she's had it confirmed as 'Red Corfu' - nice isn't it?
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Grandpappy Cyclamen africanum which I grew from seed from the 1985 Cyclamen Society Seedex. The pots is 60cm wide and the corm touches the rim. Carefree and a reliable bloomer which appecriates being outdoors for the autumn.
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Herman, what a nice cyclamen flowering you have, and a lot of them!
Here first C.purpurascens started to flower in early August, and still there are flowers in some of them. It seems that some of them start to flower later than others.
C.hederifolium has not been hardy in my garden, but C.purpurascens is, I'm so happy about that!
Leena - C. hederifolium is not dependable long term here either. Our very wet winters which are often combined with long streches of ice bound corms are not at all to its liking. In the 1980s it seeded about all over but one brutally icy winter wiped all but the original out & the latter big corm took 7 years to reappear.
I too am very happy C. purpuracens is so dependable and prolific.
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Grandpappy Cyclamen africanum which I grew from seed from the 1985 Cyclamen Society Seedex. The pots is 60cm wide and the corm touches the rim. Carefree and a reliable bloomer which appecriates being outdoors for the autumn.
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hi johnw,
GREAT. UNBELIEVABLE - 60cm diameter?!?
have fun
goofy
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A couple of mixed pots. The first one was labelled parviflorum subalpinum and appears to be mainly coum with a couple of persicum.
Seed was from the Cyclamen Society sown in November 2017.
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The second is labelled cilicium. I think some are cilicium but there's also coum there.
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hi Roma,
I think, most of them are C. coum.
btw I send an PM, but not yet a reply???
thanks
goofy
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Cyclamen purpurascens is still going on.
Cyclamen hederifolium ssp crassifolium
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Cyclamen intaminatum f. roseum and the normal Cyclamen intaminatum
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Cyclamen mirabile f. niveum
Cyclamen cilicium
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Leena - C. hederifolium is not dependable long term here either. Our very wet winters which are often combined with long streches of ice bound corms are not at all to its liking. In the 1980s it seeded about all over but one brutally icy winter wiped all but the original out & the latter big corm took 7 years to reappear.
I too am very happy C. purpuracens is so dependable and prolific.
John, thanks for your experience with C.hederifolium. I think it is the same here.
Herman, Cyclamen seem really to enjoy your garden!
C.purpurascens is still flowering, picture last week.
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John, thanks for your experience with C.hederifolium. I think it is the same here.
Herman, Cyclamen seem really to enjoy your garden!
C.purpurascens is still flowering, picture last week.
Yes Leena, most cyclamen are here growing well and they are a good combination with the Hepatica's and Trillium.
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Yes Leena, most cyclamen are here growing well and they are a good combination with the Hepatica's and Trillium.
Cyclamen and Hepaticas tolerate summer dry well at least here. In your experience can also Trilliums grow well in a bed with summer dry? My experience is still quite limited, so I have Trilliums only in more moist bed, but they would look good with Hepaticas and Cyclamen:).
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Cyclamen and Hepaticas tolerate summer dry well at least here. In your experience can also Trilliums grow well in a bed with summer dry? My experience is still quite limited, so I have Trilliums only in more moist bed, but they would look good with Hepaticas and Cyclamen:).
Leena, I don't work with beds.
A part of the garden is in the shade of our house and only get the morning sun. The other places are filled with shrubs that have no leaves in the winter. On the soil is a lot of humus. Normally our soil keeps rather moist. There is also a difference in humidity near the stem or further away. Cyclamen like mirabile, intaminatum, graecum stands a bit dryer then the others. On this places stands: Erytronium, Trillium, Hepatica, Eranthis, Cyclamen, Galanthus, Ferns, Adonis, Leucojum... . In full summer there are leaves on all the shrubs, so the soil stays cooler. When the Trilliums are flowering and it is a long dry period, then I need to give them water or they are going in early dormant. Asiatic Trilliums love to stand more moist.
Pictures from the garden are from April.
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Herman, thank you for the pictures of the places where Hepaticas and other plants grow so well in your garden. Most of these plants I have grown only for a few years, 7 or 8 at the most and Cyclamen only for couple of years, so it is still trial and error for me to find good places for them where they would thrive:).
Here are some pictures of the place where I have found that Hepaticas, snowdrops, crocus and Helleborus seem to grow well, and last year I planted also Cyclamen (seed grown coum and bigger purpurascens-corms). This place is summer dry because of big trees around it which suck all the moist from the ground, and soil is sandy which I have made better with lots of humus, compost and leaf mold. It gets a lot of sun in late autumn and spring but in the summer it is in shade. In the last picture is the spot around the apple tree where I have planted Hepatica japonica and H.pubescens, and now Cyclamen (and some new smaller snowdrops last summer). I don't know yet if it will be a good place, but at least my own seed grown H.japonica have grown there now for five years even through one bad winter, and that is why I thought it might be good for also others:). So far my few Trilliums grow in other part of the garden which is more moist, but maybe I could try some also here.
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Herman, thank you for the pictures of the places where Hepaticas and other plants grow so well in your garden. Most of these plants I have grown only for a few years, 7 or 8 at the most and Cyclamen only for couple of years, so it is still trial and error for me to find good places for them where they would thrive:).
Here are some pictures of the place where I have found that Hepaticas, snowdrops, crocus and Helleborus seem to grow well, and last year I planted also Cyclamen (seed grown coum and bigger purpurascens-corms). This place is summer dry because of big trees around it which suck all the moist from the ground, and soil is sandy which I have made better with lots of humus, compost and leaf mold. It gets a lot of sun in late autumn and spring but in the summer it is in shade. In the last picture is the spot around the apple tree where I have planted Hepatica japonica and H.pubescens, and now Cyclamen (and some new smaller snowdrops last summer). I don't know yet if it will be a good place, but at least my own seed grown H.japonica have grown there now for five years even through one bad winter, and that is why I thought it might be good for also others:). So far my few Trilliums grow in other part of the garden which is more moist, but maybe I could try some also here.
Leena, beautiful pictures! There is a lot of moss to see, so I should think it is moist enough to try some Trilliums. Hepatica japonica and pubescens are not growing well in our garden, they disappear after a few years. It is not always easy to find the best spot for a plant. When a lot of seedlings appear then they are on the right place. Sometimes it depends on a few meters in the garden, but that is the big challenge!
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hi,
"funny" to see, that there are
ONLY TWO Cyclamen LOVERS IN THE FORUM.
VERY SAD ;D
cheers
goofy
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hi,
"funny" to see, that there are
ONLY TWO Cyclamen LOVERS IN THE FORUM.
I'm pretty sure that is not true - this topic has had more than 6,000 views...
These were attracting a lot of attention at Wisley yesterday;
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Two different Cyclamen hederifolium.
One grown inside the cool greenhouse and one outside under a Medlar tree in an ivy bed.
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My photographer neighbour must have been in the garden in the past few days. Received these pix of our Cyclamen hederifolium flats. He asks "Can you spot the small Buddha?", no I can't.
john
drizzle the day long after summer-like nights
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Thanks for the pictures of the Wisley and the funny photos of foliage as well as describing the habitats
I think we are many that reads but fewer that comments.
Must say that the cyclamen is the ones that did best of the seeds sown so far.
Interesting to mix hepaticas and cyclamen. I have so far only one cyclamen with the hepaticas.
The other cyclamen is in other places.
The cat is doing his visits and I have now added grape fruit and mandarin peel to get the cat/s to stay away
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My photographer neighbour... asks "Can you spot the small Buddha?", no I can't.
I think this is what he means, John,
cheers
fermi
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I think this is what he means, John,
cheers
fermi
Oh yes! I see him now! Mesmerising photos!
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Cyclamen intaminatum f. roseum and the normal Cyclamen intaminatum
where is this Cyclamen intaminatum f. roseum from?
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where is this Cyclamen intaminatum f. roseum from?
Arda, this cyclamen came from the late Jan Bravenboer ( Green ice nursery).
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Cyclamen cyprium smelling pretty today.
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Wow, Anne, that is an impressive amount of flower on one plant! I usually get 2 to 5 flowers at a time, at most.
Still going strong here is Cyclamen rohlfsianum. this particular plant started flowering at the beginning of September-I never had flowers lasting that long ever.
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And also C. graecum still going equally long
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The rain brings out the leaves of C. hederifolium very nicely:
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A favourite occupation on these rainy days is a wander round looking at the cyclamen leaves which gleam like wet pebbles on a beach.
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With leaves like those, who needs flowers?
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I've been taking plenty photos of Cyclamen but have not got round to posting them.
I don't know what happened to my prize winning Cyclamen mirabile this year. It flowered in August but not as prolifically as usual then went to sleep. All flower and leaf buds seemed to dry up. I did not think the greenhouse got any hotter than usual. Earlier this month leaves started to appear but it is nowhere near what it has been in previous years .
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Still beautiful, though!
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I do enjoy Cyclamen leaves, too, and to be honest, I am more interested in leaves than flowers. I was a bit disappointed in this C. hederifolium when it was a small seedling because it had just a regular silver leaf, so I planted it in a crevice in the steps in my back garden. Now the leaves are much more interesting, and I can't get it out... :)
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