Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum

General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Maggi Young on February 26, 2021, 02:20:43 PM

Title: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on February 26, 2021, 02:20:43 PM
A member asks about the cultivation needs of Paeonia lagodechiana - I'm sure there  are  several folks  here  who can advise  better than I!   Thanks!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on February 26, 2021, 04:40:12 PM
In Hong De-Yuan's monograph Paeonia lagodechiana is considered a synonym of P. daurica subsp. mlokosewitschii (P. mlokosewitschii/Molly the Witch). Grows in deciduous forests at 960-1,060m in Georgia and Azerbaijan, which usually equates to sun to semi-shade in a reasonably well-drained but fertile soil in the garden.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Linda on February 28, 2021, 01:22:31 PM
Thanks a lot, Gail! I was the questioner. The information about the daurica/ Molly etc. l also read about. What l do not know is wether the soil should be acid - that is what l have in my garden -  or more limey. My mollies thrive enormously though over the decades  and seed happily about. But my only daurica sadly died after 2 years. So l am a bit worried as you may understand. Thanks again for your help and sunny greetings!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Leena on February 28, 2021, 07:55:39 PM
I don't have P.lagodechiana, but I would make sure the soil is well drained because they are mountain plants, and maybe if I were you I would add some lime to the soil. Some peonies get fungal diseases easier in acid soil (or I have been told that the fungus which causes diseases dislikes lime, so adding lime to the top soil will help). It can't hurt.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on March 27, 2021, 05:34:49 PM
My peonies are running later than last year I think but it won't be long...
[attachimg=1]
P. tenuifolia

[attachimg=3]
Paeonia tenuifolia 'Rosea'  I love the contrast in foliage colour between the two colour forms.

[attachimg=2]
And this one, first flowering (fingers crossed!), is the result of a moment of wild extravagance on the Tree Peony Company's website. It is meant to be a rockii/Gansu mudan 'Zi Die Ying Feng' (Purple Butterfly Flying in Wind) with an intense fragrance, we shall see...
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on March 27, 2021, 07:02:56 PM
Oh Gail, what pictures of promise!!  Love  'em!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Leena on March 28, 2021, 08:02:33 AM
Paeony buds are always so nice, and P.tenuifolia especially.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gabriela on April 01, 2021, 11:37:06 PM
My peonies are running later than last year I think but it won't be long...

The apparition of the peonies in the spring is always a reason for celebration Gail. How odd that the tenuifolia 'Rosea' has green foliage.
Here they are running early, due to a surge in warm temp. a week ago; yesterday I had to protect a few of the more advanced.
A youngster P. mlokosewitchii  which will flower for the first time :)
[attachimg=1]

P. japonica, always too early.
[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on April 19, 2021, 08:21:29 AM
Afternoon sun yesterday and the spring foliage on the peonies was aglow!
[attachimg=1]
Paeonia lactiflora 'Madame Gaudichau'

[attachimg=2]
Paeonia 'Early Bird'

[attachimg=3]
Paeonia 'Raggedy Ann' (Itoh)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on April 22, 2021, 05:07:48 AM
A tree peony similar to 'Joseph Rock'.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on April 22, 2021, 12:37:17 PM
Quote
A tree peony similar to 'Joseph Rock'.
My favourite colour combination, pale  with that stunning blackcurrant  splodge, Claire - gorgeous shape too!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on April 22, 2021, 05:12:18 PM
Thanks, Maggi.  There's a story here:  I bought this peony close to 20 years ago.  The tag had a picture of a yellow flower.  It took a few years for the peony to finally flower and it was quite a surprise.  I'm glad, for once, the tag was wrong!
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on April 22, 2021, 07:45:12 PM
That is gorgeous Claire and lovely to have a plant that exceeds expectations like that.

I bought a tree peony that was supposed to be Hephestos, a really deep red, semi-double. It took two years to flower then turned out to be a creamy yellow, which was not what I wanted at all.
I was looking at the peonies in my local garden centre and they are selling a range of Itoh hybrids at £36.99, one of which was labelled 'Cora Louise' but the label pictures a yellow flower, probably Bartzella. I tried to explain to a member of staff that Cora Louise actually has blush-white flowers with wine flares but he just rolled his eyes at me and said, "We can't do anything about the labels"...
I was quite curious to know what the plant actually is; Cora Louise, a yellow cultivar or something totally different (I have bought one, supposedly the Itoh 'First Arrival' which turned out to be the very common herbaceous 'Sarah Bernhardt'!). And I'd love to know who buys the plants and why - whether they are looking at the picture and expect a nice yellow or know their peonies and buy a Cora Louise, hoping it will turn out to be Cora Louise. I was tempted to put a little survey form in each pot asking what the buyers were expecting and if they would complain if it turns out to not be what they wanted...
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: GordonT on April 22, 2021, 09:16:01 PM
Claire, that is exquisite! If I'd bought a yellow tree peony, only to discover your stunning plant in the garden, I would feel as if I'd won the lottery. I am happy for you!

Gail, your Cora Louise photo and story is disturbing! One would think that the plants would be set aside while under investigation. Photographic labels ought to match what is in the pot. We would pull any plants that didn't match their labels when I was working in a local nursery. The nursery owner could then take up the mix up with their supplier. Having knowledgeable salespeople on staff might help limit chances for disappointment.

Sadly Claire's lottery win peony is not the usual outcome. I don't know where the label/ID problems originate,but it seems to me that tree peony purchases are as much likely to NOT be the plant that was intended. My last purchase was supposed to be Paeonia Shimadaijin, a dark wine coloured semi double to double bloom. The following spring it opened, a fully double frilly pink. Since we already had a similar one to that, we ended up giving it away. I'm sure I am not the only soul who wants to see the end of mislabelling/misrepresentation.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gabriela on April 23, 2021, 01:18:50 AM
A tree peony similar to 'Joseph Rock'.


This is one beautiful peony!

Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on April 24, 2021, 12:26:12 AM
Not as showy, but each bloom is exquisite (and the bees like to roll in the pollen):  Paeonia daurica subsp. mlokosewitschii (also known as Molly the Witch)

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: kris on April 24, 2021, 03:59:07 AM
Not as showy, but each bloom is exquisite (and the bees like to roll in the pollen):  Paeonia daurica subsp. mlokosewitschii (also known as Molly the Witch)

(Attachment Link)
That is the one  I am trying to grow for 10 years. I lost my will now!! Fantastic plant Claire. 
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: ashley on April 27, 2021, 07:56:41 PM
Beautiful paeonies Claire 8)

P. cambessedesii
P. daurica
P. ludlowii
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on April 27, 2021, 10:01:09 PM
Paeonia obovata alba
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Michelle Swann on April 29, 2021, 08:50:23 PM
Not as showy, but each bloom is exquisite (and the bees like to roll in the pollen):  Paeonia daurica subsp. mlokosewitschii (also known as Molly the Witch)

(Attachment Link)
  I am growing this one, it hasn't started to flower yet, but I am really excited to see it.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: ArnoldT on April 29, 2021, 10:14:05 PM
Paeonia tenuifolia ssp. lithophila.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Peppa on April 30, 2021, 03:07:57 AM
Nice paeonies, everyone!

I took a picture of P. caucasica f. alba in my garden before it starts to rain.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Véronique Macrelle on April 30, 2021, 08:36:14 AM
Here is the first flowering (after years!) of a peony that I had had as a seedling under the name mlokosevitschii.
 In your opinion: is it a realor something else? a hybrid?
 [attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Véronique Macrelle on April 30, 2021, 08:42:42 AM
Paeonia tenuifolia, damaged by bad weather


Paeonia qiui, a very young plant

[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: ashley on April 30, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
Here is the first flowering (after years!) of a peony that I had had as a seedling under the name mlokosevitschii.
In your opinion: is it a realor something else? a hybrid?

Véronique, perhaps it's another of the P. daurica group, or a hybrid between them.  It looks quite like the one I showed above.
Maybe try keying it out here (https://www.peonysociety.eu/species/herbaceous/sect-paeonia/subsect-foliolatae/daurica/ssp-mlokosewitschii/).
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Leena on May 01, 2021, 07:21:09 AM
Véronique, perhaps it's another of the P. daurica group, or a hybrid between them. 

I agree with Ashley. :)
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Véronique Macrelle on May 01, 2021, 10:27:27 AM
thank you both
 and thanks for the link with the key of determination, Ashley
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: ruweiss on May 01, 2021, 09:13:42 PM
The P.mlokosewitschii is a seedling of a yellow plant from
a good friend.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on May 03, 2021, 05:03:31 PM
Paeonia suffruticosa, grown from seed -- I have to find the label to know from whom and when!

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: kris on May 03, 2021, 06:26:04 PM
beautiful flowers everyone.
Here is a picture of my garden seedling. A hybrid - Paeonia tenuifolia and veitchii
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: ArnoldT on May 15, 2021, 10:17:10 PM
Paeonia emodii
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on May 17, 2021, 08:33:20 AM
I was playing spot the peony in the first image...  :)

Tree peonies here have been battered somewhat - first flowering on an "ostii" is having to do its first flowering in a vase as both shoots broke off.
[attachimg=1]

If the weather had been kinder, this would have been magnificent -  plant obtained as P. rockii UK form from Rivieres;
[attachimg=2]
Flower is a good 27cm across
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Guff on May 18, 2021, 10:23:58 PM
Tree Peony
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gabriela on May 19, 2021, 08:11:28 PM
All beautiful! It is the peonies time in Ontario as well and with the unusual warm weather the flowers are fading fast.

A chance cross of P. japonica x mascula flowering for the first time (last week).
[attachimg=1]

Paeonia japonica, also done by now.
[attachimg=2]

My first peony raised from seeds has also flowered P. mlokosewitchii
[attachimg=3]

And P. tenuifolia enjoying the hot sun.
[attachimg=4]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Leena on May 19, 2021, 08:42:15 PM
Gabriela, very beautiful. Your peonies are earlier than mine. Here only P.mairei opened today and P.japonica shows little white, but is not open yet.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Guff on May 20, 2021, 11:42:50 PM
Tree Peony
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on May 21, 2021, 08:55:13 AM
They look lovely there in the dappled light.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gabriela on May 22, 2021, 08:31:33 PM
Tree Peony

They look so very much at home at the edge of the trees.

Here the P. rockii is in flower and not for long with the heat wave experienced right now.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Guff on May 24, 2021, 02:45:18 AM
Gail, Gabriela thanks.

I will be planting more seedlings in the Fall. Two years ago, started another hedge on top of another bank.

Anyone have tips on getting them to branch out? I haven't cut them back. Thought maybe I might start feeding them and see what happens.

Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: johnw on May 24, 2021, 01:23:21 PM
Happy Victoria Day to all from Canada.

I'm sure you have all heard of and have had "a bad hair day".  Well call this a bad name day.

In Ken's garden on Saturday the  highlight is Paeonia mlokosewitschii in a superb form from the late Ron Pal of Mosswood Nursery near Victoria, BC.  Beneath it is the not so little cartoon character Allium pskemense which always brings a smile.

The Paeonia was raised a few inches about 8 years ago and went into a serious slide but this year it is back to its former vigorous self.

johnw
sunny, 8c @ 09:15 AST
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Claire Cockcroft on May 24, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Paeonia wittmanniana, blooming earlier this month.  The color is much paler than 'Molly the Witch'.  The name seems to have changed to either Paeonia daurica ssp. macrophylla or P. d. ssp wittmanniana.  Regardless, it's a beauty.

Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on May 24, 2021, 07:15:53 PM
Anyone have tips on getting them to branch out? I haven't cut them back. Thought maybe I might start feeding them and see what happens.

Counsel of perfection is to be brave and cut them back or they do just get leggy - and then the weather often does the pruning for you. Voice of experience here as I've had three stems broken off mine this year...
As you've got several you can always experiment; cut one hard back, the next just tip prune and the third leave and see which gives the best results.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Susann on May 25, 2021, 06:06:32 PM
[attachimg=1]

This is a garden hybrid with very big pinkish white flowers. The mother is a P mlokosewitschii and the only possible pollen donor is a P mollis as no neighbour keeps any early flowering Paeonias, if any at all. I wish it could tell me why its flower is so much bigger than these speciesn
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Susann on May 25, 2021, 06:08:20 PM
And why why why, forum fairy, are all my photos published rotated? The flower should be looking to the left.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: ArnoldT on May 25, 2021, 08:19:12 PM
Paeonia x Itoh 'Bartzella.

A stunning flower and scent
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on May 25, 2021, 10:22:02 PM
And why why why, forum fairy, are all my photos published rotated? The flower should be looking to the left.
Message  from the  forum fairy :
As has been explained previously  in the  Forum about this issue, it  is to do with  how the  images were  orientated when they came  from your  camera, I believe that something happens which means that when loaded to the  forum they return to thier  original direction, tough for  you to change  this, but  luckily, I can!

https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=65.msg370435#msg370435
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Susann on May 26, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
Thank you!

You are the best fairy ever. Or hmmm...Maybe the second best after the tooth fairy.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: kot on May 30, 2021, 09:03:25 AM
Paeonia tenuifolia
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on May 30, 2021, 09:12:48 AM
That is lovely. I haven't seen any bicoloured here. Did you raise it from seed?
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: kot on May 30, 2021, 09:16:25 AM
paeonia tenuifolia
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: kot on May 30, 2021, 12:55:53 PM
paeonia tenuifolia
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gerdk on June 03, 2021, 06:45:14 AM
Paeonia rockii and Paeonia officinalis from Monte Baldo (with friends)

Gerd
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Susann on June 04, 2021, 08:21:26 AM
[attachimg=1]
I was going to take a picture of a pristine white Paeonia in my garden, asking my friend if she knew what it was. Then I found this! It must have flowered for many years, but it is the first time I am enjoying it. (I have been away this time of year for many years). I have of course no idea what might be involved. All my Paeonias are grown from seeds, labels long time gone.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Susann on June 04, 2021, 12:40:34 PM
[attachimg=1]
Here is a close-up of my beautiful surprise
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: GordonT on June 04, 2021, 02:40:17 PM
Beautiful plant, Susann!

I am late to add to this thread this year.... Paeonia mlokosewitschii has already finished up for the year, after we relocated it in 2020. Now the tree peonies are coming on strong, beginning with Paeonia rockii. Several years ago I was finally able to find potted seedlings of P. rockii for sale at our local Rare Plant Sale, and snapped one up, thinking only of the classic white blooms and their deep maroon blotches. I was happy to discover there were two seedlings in the pot, one much smaller, and weaker than the other, so I gave them each a bit of room.

A few years later, the larger plant bloomed.

[attachimg=1]

This was not what I had hoped for, so I was a bit disappointed in the brilliant pink/magenta bloom. The plant has grown on me over the past few years, and is a robust grower, so I am happy it is here.

Last year the smaller plant that had struggled underneath the pink one finally bloomed. It put out three flowers in 2020, and this year I count at least 13 buds.

[attachimg=2]

Both plants are doing extremely well in a sun drenched and very exposed location. This group shot was taken the day before the individual portraits...it was cold, drizzly and very windy, so the blooms had closed up shop for the day.

[attachimg=3]

Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on June 18, 2021, 07:59:32 PM
Much as I love peonies, I'm generally not particularly keen on their scent but this is the exception - 'White Innocence' is a Saunders hybrid, lactiflora x emodi, and a very beautiful single flower with a lovely, light and sweet fragrance.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: David Nicholson on June 19, 2021, 02:43:10 PM
Much as I love peonies, I'm generally not particularly keen on their scent but this is the exception - 'White Innocence' is a Saunders hybrid, lactiflora x emodi, and a very beautiful single flower with a lovely, light and sweet fragrance.
(Attachment Link)

Just reminds me Gail, about three weeks ago we were visiting The Garden House and came across a beautiful yellow Paeony with the perfume of the freshest of lemons. I spent the rest of the afternoon tracking down any staff member or volunteer who might have been able to let me have it’s name. The thing was no one could tell me. One of the volunteers did tell me that I had been the fourth visitor that day attempting to get hold of the information. I’ve no picture to add but did wonder if you might be able to give me a clue?
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: brianw on June 19, 2021, 02:50:58 PM
i have a P. rockii that I posted a photo of here in 2015. a few months back i noticed it has fallen across a path I was creating at the top of a slope. It is planted close to the house so my fault of course. I can't move the path; now i have to move a plant ~5' across and high. Supposedly they move easily in  the autumn. Any advice would be welcome. I doubt it will retain much soil, even if i could lift it.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Maggi Young on June 19, 2021, 03:27:21 PM
Just reminds me Gail, about three weeks ago we were visiting The Garden House and came across a beautiful yellow Paeony with the perfume of the freshest of lemons. I spent the rest of the afternoon tracking down any staff member or volunteer who might have been able to let me have it’s name. The thing was no one could tell me. One of the volunteers did tell me that I had been the fourth visitor that day attempting to get hold of the information. I’ve no picture to add but did wonder if you might be able to give me a clue?

 There's a well-known  yellow peony which famously has a great fresh lemon scent - it's called 'Bartzella'

 These  two photos are from Claire Austin's site ....  https://claireaustin-hardyplants.co.uk

[attachimg=1]

[attachimg=2]

Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: ArnoldT on June 19, 2021, 04:22:39 PM
Here it is flower last month in New Jersey.  Wonderful lemon scented.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on June 19, 2021, 06:48:12 PM
I went to the Sir Harold Hillier garden last weekend to see their new peony border - Bartzella was definitely the plant attracting the most attention from visitors there.
[attachimg=1]

Part of the border;
[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on June 19, 2021, 06:52:33 PM
Paeonia 'Jan van Leeuwen'
[attachimg=1]

Paeonia 'Noemie Demay'
[attachimg=2]



Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gail on June 19, 2021, 07:11:09 PM
i have a P. rockii that I posted a photo of here in 2015. a few months back i noticed it has fallen across a path I was creating at the top of a slope. It is planted close to the house so my fault of course. I can't move the path; now i have to move a plant ~5' across and high. Supposedly they move easily in  the autumn. Any advice would be welcome. I doubt it will retain much soil, even if i could lift it.

Be bold Brian and lift it, it should be fine. If there is no urgency then autumn is probably counsel of perfection but they will survive lifting at other times, even in leaf if you cut back the top growth a bit. I brought my plant of Lydia Foote with me from Suffolk; it spent over a month in a plastic bag in a potting shed, was divided into three to make two new neighbours happy and the remaining third has flowered beautifully this year;
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: David Nicholson on June 20, 2021, 09:01:18 AM
That's the one. Thanks Maggi and Arnold
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Leena on August 18, 2021, 12:24:32 PM
I got a good harvest of seeds from this P.veitchii, or at least it is grown as such. It is about 50-60cm high plant, has sidebuds, flowers open pale pink but turn almost white during flowering, and it is very fertile so it is not a sterile hybrid like Windflowers. If anyone is interested in these seeds please send me pm.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Guff on September 19, 2021, 04:19:14 PM
Anyone have rockii or a double yellow seeds? I have both of the  hanging yellows and would like a nice upright yellow. Can buy, or trade, looking for 10 seeds of each. Thanks.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: Gabriela on September 19, 2021, 08:48:51 PM
Peony seeds, especially of P. rockii are too large to 'hide' them in a letter Duff, otherwise I would give you some.
Because of the necessary Small Lot of Seeds permit they would confiscate them at customs. Maybe you can find someone else from US to exchange with.
Title: Re: Paeonia 2021
Post by: GordonT on September 21, 2021, 04:54:44 PM
The rockii peonies pictured below were especially fertile this year, having produced two bags of fresh seed from the plants. I now have 748 grams of seed from the pink form, and almost 140 grams of seed from the white one. Although these two plants grow beside each other, I suspect seed from the pink form will probably produce similar coloured offspring, as it was the first to come into bloom. Seed from the white form could produce intergrades between the two.

If anyone is interested in seed, please send me a PM.

[attachimg=1]

[attachimg=2]
SimplePortal 2.3.5 © 2008-2012, SimplePortal