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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Gail on April 12, 2023, 04:24:58 PM
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Hooray! The peony season starts. First to open here this year is a tree peony - from seed sown 2017 as Paeonia decomposita. It has a good sweet fragrance.
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The first peony bloomed in my garden.
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Paeonia daurica
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P. mascula ssp. russoi
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Palustris, Steven B., and Gail
Thank you all for the beautiful display.
Marc
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Nice to see everyone's peonies have started to bloom! My only bloom so far is P. caucasica from seeds sown in 2019 from a friend. It was supposed to have dark leaves (like the ones in the second picture), but it is still lovely!🥰 Others are still in bud, but variegated P. japonica has started to show nice leaves from the second year.
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Hooray! The peony season starts. First to open here this year is a tree peony - from seed sown 2017 as Paeonia decomposita. It has a good sweet fragrance.
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I've never seen this one Gail. Thanks for showing it :)
First in my garden is the altogether more common P. ludlowii which I like despite its eagerness to take over the world.
P. cambessedesii also began this week but often struggles to open its flowers properly. Maybe temperatures are too low or variable.
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Hi Ashley ,
please look here :
https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=376.msg10741#msg10741
https://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1690.msg43900#msg43900
I have posted there before many years pictures of my P.decomposita :)
My plants are still alive :)
Hans
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Thank you Hans. Yes I'd forgotten this & didn't do a search.
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Paeonia ostii.
Paeonia Chamaeleon is interesting for changing the colors of thr flowers during
the flowering time. Not as quick like the fascinating reptile, but quite unusual nevertheless.
Wild bees and bumblebees love all the wild peonies for the big amount of pollen they produce.
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How cheering to see that your paeonies are flowering already, Rudi! still too cold here in Aberdeen and not much gowth on them yet.
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First bloom :)
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Paeonia tenuifolia
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Paeonia officinalis 'Mollis'
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Paeonia ostii 'Feng Dan Bai'
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Lovely Stefan, and I like the green beetle on your Feng Dan Bai.
Some of mine;
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Paeonia obovata
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Paeonia rockii UK form (from Rivieres)
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Paeonia ? 'Shima-nishiki'
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We've had a lot of rain so my tree peonies are looking distinctly bedraggled but some pictures taken between showers;
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Paeonia 'Shimadaijin' (Island Minister)
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Paeonia 'The Captain's Concubine'
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Paeonia 'Helene Martin' - an unusual hybrid tree peony by J Cayeux of France using P. potanini trolioides (P. delavayi) x 'Gessekai' - it has quite weak stems, so has suffered in this weather but is absolutely delightful as a cut flower...
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We will have temperatures above 80F this weekend and I'm afraid many flowers will fade quickly....
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Here in the Basel region many peonies are already over. Also the only flower of 'Shima Nishiki' is over, which is the first flower after I bought it several years ago. As it had a small flower when I bought it, I knew that it is correctly labelled, as the flower already showed the red white mixture.
Gail, did yours always flowered only red or is it just the first flower after you got it?
Almost all tree peonies finished for this year its flowering except for P. delavayi. In the past years I have sown out many seeds of them and a collection of the different flower colours can be seen on my newly created Paeonia species website www.paeonia-species.com (http://www.paeonia-species.com); the P. delavayi page with its different flower colours can be seen under: http://www.paeonia-species.com/Species/delavayi_fl_color__e.htm (http://www.paeonia-species.com/Species/delavayi_fl_color__e.htm) .
This paeonia species website is mainly based on the books "Peonies of the World" by HONG De-Yuan. Pictures of the species will follow (but as I do not grow/have all the species, some may remain without real pictures). I plan to add pictures over the next few months for those I could already make some decent pictures (due to a lot of rain, some did not provide good enough pictures so far).
I am also pasting some pictures of peonies here:
P. 'Shima Nishiki'
P. peregrina
P. 'May Music'
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Jurg P,
Lovely blooms
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Gail, did yours always flowered only red or is it just the first flower after you got it?
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This is the second year of flowers on the Shima Nishiki and all have been all red (5 blooms in total) so far. I'll keep fingers crossed for some bicoloured ones next year! Yours are looking great Jurg.
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Gail, Paeonia obovata is lovely!
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Agreed, such an elegant flower. I only wish it would clump up quicker - still only one stem...
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P. tenuifolia is doing well this year, still in flower. I shall divide this year as a neighbour has been admiring it and wants a bit!
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P. 'Avant Garde'
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P. veitchii
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P. 'Early Windflower'
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First of the Itoh hybrids to open here is 'Kopper Kettle'
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And great collection, Gail !
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Paeonia 'Chameleon'
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Peony 'Shima Nishiki'
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Paeonia Bertzella.
An intersectional Itoh hybrid.
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Paeonia potanii orange typ
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Tree Peony flowers
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Tree Peony flowers
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Tree Peony flowers
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Paeonia suffruticosa ' Naniwa Nishiki '
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Such lovely flowers. I'm sure your peony bank will have National Monument status in years to come Guff!
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Paeonia peregrina
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Last bloom on Paeonia ‘Wu Kong Xiu Xing’ one of the Gansu mudan hybrids. This one has very big blotches but no stamens.
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Paeonia 'Lemon Chiffon'
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Some Itohs;
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Paeonia 'Court Jester'
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Paeonia 'Magical Mystery Tour'
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Paeonia 'Kopper Kettle'
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Gail, thanks.
I do have 4 Tree Peonies on my small bank flowering for the first time. Two have opened. Going to dead head all seed pods on my Tree Peonies this year, sometimes if let to go to seed, they don't flower the following May.
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Would like to dig these up and move them, but it's alot of work moving bigger Tree Peonies. Probably just going to leave them where they are.
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https://youtu.be/n6GAIoVmR5Q
Cold here, spent blooms from heavy rains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azkcV96hmwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfqG7dNzr48
Ran out of space on Iphone, had to redo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHRVbrEfVo
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Seeing all these lovely Peonies in bloom causes me to anticipate my own Peonies which are all still in bud and not showing color yet.
Peoniaceae was until recently included in Ranunculaceae; and from a horticultural perspective, I believe it makes sense to keep it in Ranunculaceae.
I believe that we would do well to have separate phylogonies for academia and horticulture; because academicians and gardeners often have very different perspectives and areas of importance. Considering people, when look-alikes meet, they often treat each other as siblings even though they know they are unrelated.
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Paeonia officinalis 'Rubra Plena'
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Paeonia suffruticosa 'Hephestos'
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The old cottage garden 'Rubra Plena' is such a joy isn't it. I didn't bring mine with me when I moved to Norfolk but fortunately my next door neighbour has one I can admire. But you are inducing serious peony envy with your Hephestos Stefan!
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'Rubra Plena' was one of the first peonies in my garden, brought over from my grandfather's garden. I have been looking for "Hephaestus" for a long time and two years ago I bought it from a German nursery at a good price. Slow growing...
Here are the peonies in bloom as of today.
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Paeonia ‘Lemon Chiffon'
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Paeonia 'Pink Hawaiian Coral'
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P. potaninii ‚ Orange-Rot ‘ ( Orange Red)
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Interesting - my 'Lemon Chiffon' is in full bloom but 'Coral Sunset' is still tight bud.
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Интересно - моят „Лимон Шифон“ е в пълен разцвет, но „Кораловото залез“ все още е стегната пъпка.
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I fixed my mistake, thanks Gail!
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That makes sense Stefan (although there now seems to be a translation error!)
Going to dead head all seed pods on my Tree Peonies this year, sometimes if let to go to seed, they don't flower the following May.
Guff - I was wondering if that is really true? It sounds logical but I'm not sure of the evidence base. A study on the herbaceous officinalis implied it is more due to growing conditions.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17277927/
Perhaps you could dead-head alternate ones down the row and see if there is a significant difference?
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Gail
Tree Peonies on the banks only get Spring and Fall sun mostly. I have a lot of seedlings growing, and don't have the time this year to grow more. I'm just breaking off the pods.
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Very pleased with this Paeony tenuifolia lithophila grown from SRGC seed sown January 2015.
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Not so keen on this one. Not what I expected. I fell in love with Paeonia wendelboi then called iranica when I saw it in Sweden a few years ago. This is also fro SRGC seed sown at the same time. I expected Paeonia wendelboi x mlokosewischii to have glaucus leaves which it does and brighter yellow flowers than mlokosewitschii which it doesn't. I suppose it is quite attractive but I was hoping for yellow flowers.
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I love the odd shaped peonies.
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Paeonia ` 'Daisy Coronet'
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Paeonia 'Souvenir de Maxime Cornu'
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First time flowers on my small bank, four flowered. Hopefully more flower next May.
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Peony 'Anderson's Kaleidoscoop'
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Paeonia 'Julia Rose'
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Peony 'Old Rose Dandy'
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Paeonia officinalis 'Rosea Plena'
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I love the dark sheath on those tree peonies.
The Itoh 'Watermelon Wine' here - it is a somewhat deeper colour than in my photo and very nice!
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A new peony in my garden, this is its first bloom.
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Peony 'Papagei'
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I love the dark sheath on those tree peonies.
The Itoh 'Watermelon Wine' here - it is a somewhat deeper colour than in my photo and very nice!
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I agree-- Very Nice Indeed!
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Peony 'Green Halo'
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Peony 'White Innocence'
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Peony 'Pink Spritzer'
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Peony 'Callie's Memory'
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Stefan,
Very pretty!
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Stefan,
Very nice!
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Thank you, MarcR! I like to take pictures of my plants.
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Callies Memory is a stunner.
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Paeonia (Intersectional) 'Orange Victory'
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Paeonia lactiflora 'Festiva Maxima'
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Paeonia (Intersectional) 'First Arrival'
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Paeonia (Intersectional) 'Bartzella'
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Paeonia (Intersectional) 'Garden Treasure'
The difference between the two peonies is imperceptible, 'Garden Treasure' blooms a few days later and is definitely shorter.
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My last one in flower is a 'Coral Sunset'. 12th April till nearly the 12th of July is not a bad peony flowering season...
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Some of my peonies from last summer.
Always the first ones to flower are P.obovata
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and P.japonica, both growing in part shade.
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Close following are P.anomala in full sun
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and P.officinalis (hybrid??)
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This was grown as P.intermedia from Göteborg Botanical garden seeds but it must be a hybrid, because it's roots are not tuberous like P.intermedia should be.
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The previous peonies started to flower in the third week of May, and P. x smouthii starts in the end of May.
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I have grown this peony from seed ex seeds from 2014 as P.steveniana. It took two years to germinate, and flowered for the first time last summer.
I'm not sure if it was labelled right, and it would be great if someone had a picture of the original mother plant. :)
It started to flower at the end of May, and had a nice darkish foliage. I forgot to take pictures of the underside of the leaves and hairs.
Any ideas?
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The contrast between flowers and leaves is gorgeous! I´ve got some species from different sources under the name P. mlokosewitschii and caucasica, respectively, with bronze coloured leaves like Yours, yet purple flowers. Well done, Leena!
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The contrast between flowers and leaves is gorgeous! I´ve got some species from different sources under the name P. mlokosewitschii and caucasica, respectively, with bronze coloured leaves like Yours, yet purple flowers. Well done, Leena!
Mariette, thank you! :)
I have also bronze/brown coloured young leaves in mloko and different dauricas. They are so nice in spring when coming up.
I have now been wondering if my P.steveniana is in fact related to some kind of P.obovata, but last summer I didn't see the resemblance which I now see in some pictures...
Here are some other peonies.
I have two grown as P.caucasica. The other one is from seed ex and it is a nice very small plant. I had two of these and sent the other one to a forumist in exchange for some other plant.
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The other one is a taller plant, grown from Holubeck seeds P.caucasica ex Russia.
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I moved these plants to this bed the previous autumn so I think leaves will be bigger now this year when they are better established.
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This plant is grown from Pilous seeds P.dahurica Crimea.
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I'm not sure what to call this plant. It is not pure P.mlokosewitchii, neither is it P.wittmanniana ssp tomentosa, maybe it is a hybrid,
but it is a very good plant. Some kind of daurica/hybrid.
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The same a few days later, and P.mlokosewitchii in the background.
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Leena, lovely Paeonia. In 2023, I also planted a number of different wild Paeonia in our garden. Now wait for them to bloom.
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P.veitchii is one of my absolute favourite peonies. These are all small plants, around 50cm tall, they have usually sidebuds, and they are very healthy plants. I have never had any kind of trouble with them (botrytis which I have in some other species peonies). They are also very fertile and produce lots of seeds.
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I have been told that this plant resembles Windflower peonies, but they are sterile while this is very fertile producing lots of seeds. I ones had 'Early Windflower' but lost it to botrytis one winter.
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This peony was grown as P.veitchii var woodwardii.
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2015 I sowed P.veitchii seeds from Pilous, and they grew to be wonderful small peonies.
Ex Dege, China
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These are ex Kandang, China.
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This peony was sown as P.mascula ssp hellenica, which it isn't as ssp hellenica should be white, but maybe it is some other kind of P.mascula. It has lower leaflet count 12 so that would match P.mascula. Also the leaf shape is different than most of my P.dauricas. Peonies are not easy to identify, and maybe most garden grown plants are hybrids, but they can still make wonderful plants in the garden.
One of the seedlings was red.
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And the other seedling is paler, and I like this one very much. :)
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Leena, lovely Paeonia. In 2023, I also planted a number of different wild Paeonia in our garden. Now wait for them to bloom.
Thank you Herman. :)
Peonies are lovely plants, and worth a wait for them to grow and flower. :)
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Couple more peonies from last summer. :)
I have a group of seed grown peonies, mother plant was P.obovata ssp willmottiae and father P.anomala.
I showed these already some years ago, but they turned out to be really nice early peonies so I will show them again when they are now bigger plants.
All other seedlings were very close to each other, only one was different with slightly semidouble flowers, and it also flowered later.
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All these start to flower darker and then the flower colour fades by the end of flowering. Flower is big with dark stamens like the mother plant. They seem to be sterile. I have gotten two seeds from these in the past three years.
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The different sister seedling to the ones above.
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Another nice open pollinated seedlings from P.obovata ssp willmottiae from 2016. Sadly I lost the mother plant to botrytis in winter 2017. Also winter 2022 was very bad and I lost other P.obovata ssp willmottiae plants which I had grown from seeds from a kind forumist. Stangerly all these hybrids survived both those winters even though they were mostly grown in the same bed or close by, so they have inherited the hardiness of P.anomala. :)
Anyway, here are some more, and I don't know where the pollen came from to these plants, but they are hybrids as well because they seem to be sterile.
Also the flower of these plants fades as it ages.
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This peony was sown as P.mascula ssp hellenica, which it isn't as ssp hellenica should be white, but maybe it is some other kind of P.mascula. It has lower leaflet count 12 so that would match P.mascula.
Populations of Paeonia mascula subsp. hellenica are predominantly white flowered, but individuals within the population can also be pink or white with pink flushes. These were all photographed on Mt Ochi, Evia on 28th April 2023. Arne Strid's 'Atlas of the Aegean Flora' describes subspecies hellenica as: 'Stem often pinkish; leaf divisions broadly elliptical to obovate; petals white rarely pinkish'and subspecies mascula as: 'Stems usually pale green; leaf divisions elliptic; petals rather dull purplish-red'.
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Here are a few habitat shots from the same population of P. mascula subsp. hellenica on Mt Ochi
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These are Paeonia mascula subsp. mascula plants grown from seed collected on Samos (first four) and Lesvos (last one). I have seen only red flowered plants in the wild.
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Margaret, thank you for pictures of wild P.mascula ssp hellenica. I enjoyed especially the habitat pictures.
It is good to know that they can be also pink, and I think my plants had reddish stems but I will have to check them better next summer.
Leaves in my plants seems a bit more round, but again I will have to take more pictures next summer.
It would be nice to have the real species, but on the other hand a good garden plant is always good, no matter if it is a hybrid. :)
Your pictures of P.mascula ssp mascula show well the leaf shape.
Interesting how the white flowering plant from Lesvos has glabrous carpels and the pink one has tomentose carpels.
The dark foliage and white flowers look amazing, really beautiful.
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Leena, enormous collection, thank you for showing. I did not know about so many species and varieties
of wild peonies. Simply beautiful
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Leena, enormous collection, thank you for showing. I did not know about so many species and varieties
of wild peonies. Simply beautiful
Thank you Rudi. :)
All except one are grown from seeds, many from seed ex. :)